Turkish Translation Skeptics Handbook II
Once again, marvel at the worldwide grassroots network of volunteers. E-mail all your Turkish friends. Click on the image above to see the Turkish Skeptics Handbook II. The first Skeptics Handbook in Turkish was announced in August (and had a rather interesting synopsis of the Turkish situation vis a vis climate change at the time).
Thanks to Zulloch Ltd again for the translation. They are a professional translation service in Istanbul, so this was (again) an easy, effortless process for me. I just had to give permission, and the finished product appeared. And just in case you ever need to arrange a Turkish translation, I highly recommend:
Zulloch Tercume (Translation and Print Services) Ltd, Istanbul.
Phone: (0212) 641 1840 – 41
Fax: (0212) 641 1839
The full printable top quality 16Mb version can be downloaded, too (for all your friends in Turkey with four color printing presses).
Hey thats great, I can practice my mother tongue now. haven’t spoken it regularly for decades.
Tebrik ederim Jo, cok sevindim.
(Congrats Jo, I’m glad)
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Jo
Have you got a Chinese version out yet? Oh – that’s right – they read the English version just before Copenhagen!
Don’t worry about it- they seem to have got the message already.
Cheers,
Speedy.
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I don’t think there is a rush for the Chinese version, anyhow China is the largest English speaking nation.
At COP15 they showed they liked having jobs, transport, housing, communication, hospitals, schools, universities, factories and a future. They also like to eat and to drink clean water, they were never impressed with what COP15 was going to deliver, a quick journey back to the past. Remember they helped to save us from our Prime Minister at Copenhagen.
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Speedy:
At #2 you say:
I do not know if they had Jo’s excellent Handbook, but several of us ensured that they had much information some of which is in the Handbook.
If you read Chinese (or are willing to conduct and accept a Google translation) then email me and I will send you a copy of a Chinese national newspaper from mid-December 2009: it mentions some of my activity doing this.
Richard
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Lets keep in mind that the Chinese would have happily signed Copenhagen–even knowing the science was all a fake–if only Obama could have promised to pay them enough, or agreed to let them get away with no on-site-independent-auditing.
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Jo:
Yes, your observation at #5 is correct.
However, three points need to be kept in mind.
The Chinese government has no intention of making GHG emission constraints but would be willing to say they have such an intention if payed to say it.
The Chinese government will never agree to “on-site-auditing” because (a) it would demonstrate their ignoring of any GHG emission constraints and (b) it would enable monitoring of ‘human rights’ in China.
The Chinese government needs good arguments to justify its position on AGW and science provides those arguments (this is similar to the use of science in support of the proposed Copenhagen Treaty by governments of other countries).
In summation, in this blog we are interested in the science of AGW, but all governments – including the Chinese government – are interested in using those parts of AGW science which support their political objectives (and this keeps me and others in business).
Richard
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Jo@5,
I am going to have to disagree with this statement. I don’t think the US could have offered enough money at all to the chines to get their approval.
The reasons I say this are as follows:
1) The US can’t provide the chinese without first raising more money by borrowing it from the chinese
2) The Chinese know that the real issue here is the Western attempts at curtailing Chinese Economic Growth
AGW is merely a proxy for a series of other agendas – why else would NASA and others have done their best to Obfuscate the science?
It is interesting how manbearpig also keeps referring to AGW as being a national security issue – I don’t think he’s just talking about energy independence.
That’s my Opinion, of course, no offence intended
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I’m going to send this translation straight away to some of my Kurdish friends in Northern Iraq who read Turkish of course (and are no fans of the Turkish Government), nevertheless they loathe the Western “global warming” scam outright.
And it isn’t because they depend on oil revenue; it is because, they see it as a synthetic religion imposed by the West for ulterior motives
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The US can print it from thin air. You can watch that happening here.
Yes of course. It’s a big play from both sides as power shifts from the complacent detached-from-reality West to the up and coming East. I’m sure the Chinese can see through the scam, but I’m also sure that if they thought they would get a worthy deal – they would nod to the fakery, take the money and say “thanks”.
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Hey Jo,
Thanks for the link. Although it must be said that it wouldn’t be a very wise thing to print More excessively large amounts of the worlds reserve currency at the moment -particularly with the IMF and the BRIC countries making noises about having a country independent reserve currency. If (when) that happens, it really will be game over.
You are right, a lot of this is about the transfer of capital and power from the west to the east, and maybe you’re right they might be prepared to just take the nod, but it would be pretty paradoxical for them to receive their own money back to them eh. On the other hand, they may just be using it to shore up support in the non western world also.
it wouldn’t actually surprise me if the Climategate data was a result of a chinese hack, to be honest.
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Yes, quite. I admire the irony, but feel deeply uneasy at the same time that we in the democratic West are relying somewhat on the Chinese and Russians to save us from our own governments.
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I’m a bit late on this subject. But the Chinese are not to be
underestimated. When I was studying ‘Earth in Crisis?’ at UNE in
2003-4, one of the biggest CO2 emitters was China, from uncontrolled surface coal fires. Same as Indonesia and India. I believe China looses 250million tons a year from their Northern Coal fields? Enough to equalize the CO2 emitted by all the USA’s
trucks and cars.
However, China is after Northern Queensland land, and the Cubby station too. They are a very innovative people, but they live by
a moral code the west does not?
The property I owned outside of Tamworth had an oil and coal exploration license on it, you saw brown coal in the erosion trenches.
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Joanne, number 9 post.
The US of A, owe China about 500 billion dollars. (As per John
McCain stated in 2008 before the presidential election, I also heard this from a financier although it was stated in millions not billions).
As they purchase coal from Australia, I hope we are aware they are our biggest trading partner? And could stop trading if they wanted
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