Tim Flannery is paid to help you understand why Australia is getting a Carbon Tax in eight weeks time. If you can’t fathom why the nation which emits just 1.3% of all man-made CO2 is going to pay three times the current market rate to reduce world temperatures by 0.00 degrees C, I’m sure Prof Tim will be delighted to help. Do book quickly. Sometimes these events sell out (even before they are publicized).
Australia’s Chief Climate Commissioner, Professor Tim Flannery, is visiting Sydney. The sixth biggest CBD in the country, Parramatta will host the next public forum for the Climate Commission. This is your opportunity to get involved in the conversation about climate change.
The Climate Commission provides independent, authoritative information on climate change to the Australian public.
Event details
Where: Parramatta RSL club , Cnr Macquarie & O’Connell St , Parramatta
When: 6:30 PM – 8:00 PM, Tuesday 15 May 2012. Doors open 6.00pm
Everyone is welcome. Book your place now to avoid disappointment.
What would you like to ask Tim in our National Climate Conversation?
- Perhaps you wonder why he keeps calling us names?
- Maybe you can’t figure out how the Climate Commission can call themselves “independent” when it’s funded by The Government?
- Perhaps you’d like to see a real debate instead of just being told “there isn’t one”.
- Could it be that the compelling case to sacrifice billions to “lead the way” to escapes you? You wonder why we don’t spend that money planting trees, curing cancer, or feeding kids in Chad? Better to let them starve eh?
- The Clean-Energy-Future-Fund tells households they don’t have to pay the carbon tax (because it only applies to evil corporations). If we don’t have to pay, which part of our electricity bill do we ignore?
As mainstream science tries to remove the ugly cancer of “Climate Science” from its’ severely damaged corps we can look back through history and see the pattern.
An enthusiast, or maybe sociopath is a better description, charms, cajoles, intimidates and draws in people to his cause.
Neither innate intellect nor education are essential attributes to be a Leader as so ably demonstrated by the efforts of Hitler and now we have the new cause of Greenness and environmental responsibility being dumped on us.
When will humanity ever achieve the collective capacity to really see things more accurately?
It seems we are forever doomed to spend long periods in a collective mental fog which only lifts after a world war or, as in this case, the decimation of modern economies.
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Only individuals can see, know, understand, decide, and act.
A member of a collective can only see what the next member sees. The next member can see only what the next member sees. It continues until the next member is the first in line. The net of it all is that the collective sees nothing.
As a consequence, the collective is in thrall to its self selected “leaders” and can see only that which its “leaders” decree they shall see. It makes no difference who the “leader” of the collective happens to be because he will see only what he allows his collective to see.
The unintended consequences of this blindness to reality accumulate until the collective collapses from the weight of its evasions of reality and its numerous contradictions. We are thereby forever doomed as long as we collectively believe in the superiority of the collective and the inferiority of the individual.
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That is very profound, even for you.
Thank you Lionell.
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Wes,
My take on your thoughts –
Govern-ment means rule the mind.
Leaders these days practise deception,lie by omission, seldom practise what they preach [hypocrites]. Their desire is for power and glory – they as leaders of the inferior flock tell you what to think and how to act and enforce punishment even when there is no victim.
Whereas a true leader does not lie, has the interests of the people at heart,does not consider themself a class above everybody, and leads as a servant to the people by example.
The individual knows and follows a true leader but resists the deceiving herder.
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Wes??? U talkin to me, Kevin? 🙂
Nice poetry, Lionell.
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“No t’wasn’t Murphy that got fight’n drunk on Saturday night. T’was another fella by the same name.” – Old Irish excuse.
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As RW says” Thanks Lionell.”
That very clearly states what is going on and is the first step, the next being to take action based on your analysis.
That’s how science works.
Perhaps we are being “scientific” about purging the Warmer Myth; where to from here?
One idea that has been noted just in the last few days, is to turn the D word around and outline how it fits the Warmers perfectly because of their refusal to think.
The big D has a lot of “Image” already and could easily be turned back on the likes of Tim to great effect.
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+10
An interesting study was done related to Democracies around the world. Why do some succeed and others fail. It turns out, according to the study, Democracies based on the Rights of the Individual succeed and the others fall apart.
I guess it takes the resolve of individuals to make a kingdom. ; )
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John from CA
The democracies that fall apart are the best that money can buy.
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Enviro socialism is also about moving political to the left nationally and globally and staying in power/office by getting rid of the middle class?
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Perhaps someone could ask him any of these questions:
What alternative hypothesise have the Climate Commissioners considered for climate change other than CO2 being the main driver, and why have they discounted those hypothesise? Or,
In light of the fact that just about every prediction you (Flannery) have made about climate change matters and it’s impact over the last few years has been proven wrong, has that given you any reason to question your faith in human CO2 being the main climate driver? If not why not? Or
In light of Danish physicist Henrik Svensmark’s recent peer reviewed paper “Evidence of nearby supernovae affecting life on Earth”, isn’t it premature for the Climate Commission to claim the science is settled on CO2 being the main climate driver? If not why not? Or,
Since Climate Scientists have been caught out lying about receiving death threats, a claim you repeated many times in the media yourself, does it make you wonder what else they may be prepared to lie about to further their agenda? Given this isn’t the first fraud climate scientists have been caught in, (Climate-gate, Hockey Stick, non-peer reviewed references in IPCC reports, suppressing sceptical scientists and their research, Peter Gleick ‘Fakegate’ affair etc), don’t you think it is time to hold a Royal Commission or other independent Parliamentary investigation into Climate Science in Australia before we launch the economically harmful and environmentally fruitless carbon tax? If not why not?
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Spot on J man. Or we could cut to the chase with:
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If you look at their solutions it seams that the main object is to get rid of the Western middle class one way or another?
Lenin, Mao and North-Korea have all had success with this and silenced critic and secured the political power for decades.
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Dear Comrade Tim Flannery,
I saw my neighbor idiling his car in his drive way because he forgot something and ran back into his house. (The car was not electric!) When will it be completely illegal to committ this heinous crime againist Gaia and the state?? Also are you and the government going to set up a citizen’s spy network soon? We need an organization that we can report our friends, family and neighbors to when we see egregious violations against the climate. Maybe there could be a reward system for reporting violations. It worked great in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany!
Signed, a loyal party member……
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ChestDocMD – just FYI in Switzerland it is common – and in some case compulsory – to switch off your engine at red traffic lights. Buses also turn off their engines when stopping to pick up passengers or at red traffic lights – and seem to have an instant start system fitted to their engines. The buses I saw doing this were a Swiss make – SAURER.
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I wonder whether this would save or cost more fuel for a traditional car … i.e. petrol driven. Let alone wear and tear on the starter motor etc.
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“which part of our electricity bill do we ignore?”
Exactly. Australins aren’t really that bad at math.
I hope lots of skeptics show up for this forum.
This should be entertaining.
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You have to apply early to allow time for the vetting.
But then of course, being a skeptic, you would find that it was all sold out.
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My registration was accepted straight away with a confirmatory e-mail. However note that the registration process required you to advise what questions you wish to ask. I naively entered some genuine posers and probably won’t be invited to the microphone. Perhaps someone else could be a bit cagier and advise a Dorothy Dixer and spring something unexpected on the Flim Flam.
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I’ve seen a couple of these formats televised and they do control the questions very closely. In any event, the standard answer to any curly questions is that “the best climate scientists in the world are in agreement that……”
In addition, whoever the attendant climate expert is has a standard catastrophic anthropogenic global warming presentation with slides.
They are not open forums or debates. They are not ‘listening’ to Australians.
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Hi Jo,
I’m not quite sure what this is intended to do, possibly a positive if it addresses groups like Green Piece, but I thought you’d appreciate the fyi. Possible question for Tim Flannery.
Review of not-for-profit governance arrangements
Regards,
John
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make that Greenpeace — Freudian slip; probably because its a piece of…
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Green?
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Now with less Brown.
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SUPERGREEN!
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these search results are also interesting
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Follow the Money — are any Politicians associated with or on the Board of:
The Clean Energy Finance Corporation, Australia’s equivalent of the UK Green Investment Bank or the US CEDA or PREF Programs, is set to be established as an independent corporation, with secure funding and a flexible mandate to invest in debt, equity and funds participations.
Is this fraud?
We report the News for You to Judge and follow. : )
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That’s a total contradiction!
Even BHP doesn’t have “secure funding”. If their product costs too much, nobody will buy it!
And John if you have any legal experience I hope you can help explain a new term:
What the hell kind of appendage of the state is a “consent authority”?? It sounds quite Orwellian.
If the Queens’ Counsels of Australia stand to make money out of carbon pricing shenanigans, what chance is there of finding anyone to run a Royal Commission inquiry into this scam?
Changing the climate almost seems easy compared to changing the course of our own government.
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Dang, we’re missing all the action over there!! First Delingpole and now the opportunity to grill Flannery. We arrive in Perth on the 20th!
One for Flannery……..How much water has gone over the tops of those dams lately? 😉 The ones that you predicted would never fill again. THOSE dams.
(Any other events happening in Perth in the 3 weeks following the 20th?)
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My question is:
Why, when you keep telling about global warming causing sea levels to rise to prodigious heights, and local councils following your lead forbid home owners from doing improvements or even order them to evacuate their land, do you own a house and land on the water’s edge in the Hawkesbury estuary? If you don’t believe your own rhetoric, why on earth should we?
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How about.
With the risk of future heavy rain followed by drought and the need for cheaper electricity do you think Australia should build more dams and let some water out of our current dams to provide a flood saftey margin?
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Flood control dams should not be used to store water! Water would have to be distributed to holding reservoirs.
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So just rename them then!
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Yep, a full dam has absolutely zero flood mitigation effect.
That’s why they have operating rules, that SHOULD be followed.. whoops !!!
And yes, Siliggy, we should have more dams.
We have a very erratic climate, and a quickly growing population.
And we are going to have a long drought again, sometime……. it’s Australia !!
It will be interesting to see if common sense starts to prevail and the greens can be kicked out of the way so these sort of essential projects can proceed.
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& security will be by GetUp……..
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Heres’ what appears to be an attempt to smear James Ashby:
I wonder if this is because he has lodged a complaint against Mr Slipper alleging sexual harassment?
It was written by Jessica Wright of the Age
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As many commentators have already stated – so what if Ashby was encouraged to take action against Slipper. A cursory look at Slipper’s released cab charge dockets shows there are clearly serious questions to be answered by Slipper. As far as the sexual harassment issues are concerned, the provision of text messages which have been published and not denied by Slipper, certainly points to improper behaviour if not found to be sexual harassment. If Ashby had confided in anyone on this matter, any sensible person would have advised him to take action against Slipper. Are Labor suggesting they think the action was inappropriate? If not, does it matter if it was encouraged by anyone?
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How many seats are available for non GetUp members?
Would Tim be prepared to debate “The Truth of AGW” with Jack Nicholson?
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i’de rather have my teeth pulled than sit and listen to him talk down to the oiks he thinks we all are.
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I’d like to shake the twits hand. Can you think of anyone else who’s done more to completely discredit his religion?
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Of course, whilst shaking his hand I would be laughing hysterically….which could be considered rude..or perhaps even a death threat..
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If you are going to shake his hand, count your fingers (or claws) before and after, and preferably get an independent audit. You can never be too sure.
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Well Rereke, It’s either shake his hand or cock my leg on him…and I thought the former would probably be best in the circumstances….but then again…
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Jo, you asked:
I have two questions:
1. What is the estimated benefit and what is the cost of the CO2 pricing scheme for the period to 2050?
[by the way, I’ve posted what I believe is the answer at the end of this thread on Bishop Hill: http://bishophill.squarespace.com/blog/2012/4/4/nordhaus-and-the-sixteen.html
2. What will be the compliance scheme for the ETS when it is implemented to the standard that will ultimately be required?
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The real question you need to ask Tim is how to get funded to do your own documentary – don’t be content with Youtube Jo – go to TV (past experience may help?) – “Two sceptics in a Tinny” or “Six sceptics on the Great Divide with six opinions”, “I was teenage denialist werewolf (err sceptic)?”
You could do all the interviews asking those simple questions with BoM, CSIRO luminaries. Brekky with John Cook and why he does it. Why Marc Morano is really a nice guy.
But seriously – we’re bored – where’s the entertainment?
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Flannery needs to explain just how more CO2 causes surface temperatures to rise alarmingly. He should be asked to explain this in terms using, at the very least, 20th century physics as opposed to a 19th century hypothesis(Arrhenius)that is so often trotted out in public fora. It may be a little inconvenient/embarrassing for him to admit the task is outside his area of expertise. Are taxpayers funding him to promote something that he does not fully understand?
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keep it simple would be my advice
for example “who are you to tell us what to do when none of your predictions have come true”
John Watt says ‘are taxpayers funding him to promote something’ – the reality is taxpayers are funding him to sell them something
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Val, another simple question might be:
“Do you have any financial investments in the Carbon Trading markets?”
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I would like to see the numerical analysis of how a tax is related to CO2 ocncentrations in the atmosphere.
Then I would like to see their analysis of how much they expect an increase in tax, to affect the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere. (somthing like raising taxes by 10% will drop the conentration by 5%? maybe??).
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I would like to ask whether he has a personal bodyguard and whether they have metal detectors at security. If not, I would ask why not
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There are couple of very good threads on Bishop Hill at the moment that are worth reading ( Tim Flannery might learn something from them as well)
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/5/4/crok-interviews-vahrenholt.html
It is well worth reading the full interview from the Energy Review article as well as the comments for the BH thread.
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/5/4/wunsch-on-nature.html
Interesting comments from an academic about the Nature and Science journals.
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That is a keeper – absolute classic.
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Would it be unfair of me to describe Professor Flannery as a distraction from the main game, a useful idiot if you will, someone the Government might use to draw away some of the flak, while they concentrate on the main game.
You know, give him some sort of title, pay him a motza to do not very much, make his face known around the traps and in effect, drawing the people’s anger towards him, even allow him to make some outrageous statements,(because in effect, this serves its purpose) while all the while building something that is monumentally huge while the public are distracted, if you can see that point I’m attempting to make here.
Take a look at this Government website.
Clean Energy Regulator
Everything to do with these 18/19 separate pieces of legislation is gradually moving into this overarching Department.
Recently, the (newly released) NGER has moved here also, as has a number of other areas.
It is now becoming monumentally huge. You could spend all day for a number of days at this site and still not see it all, let alone understand it.
This Government has set up a bureaucracy so huge behind all this that it makes Pink Batts and School Halls look like a Grade 9 Assignment a teacher gives her students.
Think about how difficult that is going to be to wind back, and especially the incredible cost to wind it back.
So, Tim (et al) is used as a distraction, to draw some of the heat away from what is really going on here.
The Government knows they cannot do without coal fired power.
The Government knows that this will not reduce those emissions.
The Government knows that Renewables can’t supply the power that is needed.
The Government knows they can find someone other than them to blame for this huge money grab.
So they use Professor Flannery to distract people away from what they really are doing.
Ask him something obscure that actually seems innocuous.
Ask him how soon he’ll have a hot rock power plant that delivers what Bayswater does, how soon it will be on line delivering power to the grid, and how much it will cost, how efficient it will be, but of most importance, WHEN it will be on line.
Tony.
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Oh what tosh! Wind and solar etc can supply our baseline needs. Price of solar electricity is dropping quickly, will soon be cheaper than coal.
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Maxine,
oh, ho ho ho!
I’ll bet even you’re laughing at that one.
Two sentences, and one sentence truncated by a comma. Wrong on all 4 counts.
Tony.
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OK Maxine,
it’s not up to me to disprove what you have to say. It’s up to you to prove what you say.
So, umm, let’s pick one, say Bayswater for example.
Off you go then.
Find me one Solar Plant (on Planet Earth) that supplies the same total power on the same regular basis as Bayswater.
If not, then find one plant that does supply power, and then scale that up to how many might be needed to replace Bayswater. Show us power totals, the cost, and how long before they will be on stream delivering power.
Maybe then try the same process with Wind. All the same details.
I won’t tell you.
You tell us. You made the claim. Now back it up.
Tony.
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Coming up next on your ABC, “I Can Change Your Mind About Renewable Energy”, hosted by Maxine and TonyFromOz.
Special Q&A panel afterwards features Tony, Maxine, Head of CSIRO, the head of the Solar Energy Retailers Association, the head of the Clean Energy Commission, and the head of ActewAGL.
The studio will be fully powered by renewable energy for this special event, so studio audience members please check the weather report closer to the day to find out if you are needed.
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Andrew,
Wouldn’t work sorry. The crew wouldn’t be able to stop me laughing long enough to comment.
Wouldn’t work sorry. See previous response.
On a serious side though, see what I’m up against.
Maxine makes a comment of one and a half lines, barely 25 words. 4 completely false statements and would take a long response on each count to counter, and explain correctly.
See how they’ve reduced their side of the argument to minute sound bites.
Tony.
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Yes it was a long shot. Having the panel stacked against you was intended to be a sarcastic prediction of ABC’s tactics, and although I found it humourous I now realise it may not be much of a laughing matter if it actually happened. It is good you can laugh about such things.
If I was in the hot seat I might not be able to restrain myself from angrily interrupting the others since I do not have a lot of patience with idiotic middle-management minions.
Yes their argument is sound bites because it stems from a touchy-feely approach instead of an engineering approach. The truth is true because it derives from a multitude of facts, all far too boring and mentally costly for the punters. If the Green Left were serious about changing the public’s mind they would have a structured argument spread over several episodes to disprove common objections with facts. They don’t because they can’t, it’s all wishful thinking. The format is rigged to bamboozle and construct false consensus. When the Faithful One says their soundbite the rigged audience erupts into 10 seconds of applause. When the sobering facts are enumerated by the educated the host will quickly cross to some QUANGO henchman to misdirect with hollow moralising and UN worshipping. It’s all so predictable.
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I have sat through some of these “planning sessions” (and no, I am not going to say why).
They usually go this way: “What is the central message we need to get across?” – five to ten minute discussion – “OK, so it seems we are in an agreement that the message is …”. – general acceptance – “OK, now lets brainstorm phrases that capture the essence of the message, remember they need to be catchy and memorable, who would like to start … ?”
That is where your sound bites come from – nothing to do with reality – everything to do with a herd mentality that desperately needs to feel accepted. Personally, I blame their collective mothers.
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“Baseline” needs? I think it is “baseload” needs.
And no Maxine. Wind and solar cannot supply our baseload needs.
Stop telling naughty fibs!
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Maxine is typical of these three sentence wonders. They have no idea about what they are saying, they don’t even know the terms, and have less than zero understanding of what that term actually means.
Base Load is two words.
They use is as an adjective.
Tony.
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If I am allowed to speculate, the minute you put the pressure on Maxine to prove her
prediction,projection,theory, claim “Wind and solar etc can supply our baseline needs” she immediately sent out an appeal for help from all the green propagandist and green energy proponents she can contact.00
To be greeted by the sound of absolute silence.
They know!
(Well, they don’t really.)
Tony.
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Tony:
This story fron WUWT might be of interest to you. It might also be of intersest to Maxine.
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And this is only Solar PV, in other words, it only generates power while the sun shines on the panels.
On a bright Sunny Summer’s day with no cloud, you’ll get around (the equivalent of) full power for maybe 7 hours tops, and on sunny cloud free Winter Days, maybe 5 hours tops, so that’s the equivalent of full power year round at around an average of 6 hours, and keep in mind, that’s the theoretical best case scenario.
It could probably last 25 years at the best, but after 12 to 15 years, the panels have lost almost 30 to 50% of their generating capacity.
According to their own website, this plant will deliver 60GWH a year, which is actually a Capacity Factor of only 22.8% which in reality is an average power for only five and a half hours a day.
Bayswater delivers the same power in, and wait for this, 30 hours.
Spooky eh!
Tony.
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Wanna hear something else that’s also pretty spooky.
I mentioned how Bayswater supplies that same amount of power in those 30 hours.
The Government’s take from that in their Tax on CO2.
Drum roll.
$1.689 Million.
As Wayne Swan might say ….. “my God how the money rolls in.
Tony.
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Tony,
I agree,we should keep our focus on the main game and not be distracted by Flannery.
The only interest of the Banker owners of the multinationals is in the centralisation of world power. Their issue and control of money gives them the power to erode liberty,transfer the worlds wealth to themselves and ultimately own he world.The Carbon Trading Scheme will just hasten the process.
Flannery is just a circus to divert attention from the real game.
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I would ask him why the thickest parts of Arctic ice are melting the fastest.
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/thick-melt.html
Actic ice extent as such not that important.
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I would ask him if he would please adopt Maxine
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As for your question, you already know the answer. Dirty dirty fossil fuel industry is adding too much carbon pollution into the atmosphere which is causing run away global warming and or climate change which is evidenced by NASA’s studies showing that thick ice melts more quickly than thin ice.
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Ice that has a volcano under it tends to melt faster.
🙂
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Ooo; perhaps you have found the missing hot spot!
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Meanwhile, in the Netherlands 38 degrees south of the North Pole.
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@Maxine
May 5, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Well, thank goodness NASA can justify their failed man made global warming Arctic predictions with shiny computer graphics, because UN-IPCC/CSIRO glacier claims are fail:
No matter. Australian govt. funded climate scientists are trying their darn hardest to find anything to blame man made global warming and justify a carbon (sic) tax with NO success:
Did I mention ‘settled climate science?’
You know, the type of science quoted to justify a carbon & oxygen tax?
Of course, Maxine could quote Mark Serreze, of the US National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC), ” North Pole Could Be Ice Free in 2008,” but, that would make NASA’S, and Maxine’s cute graphic to 2012 a FAIL.
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classic!
5 May: Bloomberg: Matthew Carr: Carbon Market Lobbyist Criticizes ‘Whopping Falsehoods’
The carbon market has been damaged by three “whopping falsehoods” that slowed its growth and caused European lawmakers to question their belief in the system, said the retiring head of a carbon market lobby group.
“The political environment has been dominated by an ebb tide,” Henry Derwent, chief executive of the International Emissions Trading Association, said today by phone from Geneva on his last day at the lobby group’s headquarters. “The European Union emissions trading system is still there, though it’s bleeding from a few wounds, some self-inflicted.”
The first lie is that climate science is exaggerated, boring and unimportant, Derwent said. The second is that nations shouldn’t protect the climate because others aren’t and the third is that markets are not the best solution, he said. “It’s not surprising that those who don’t want to do anything are seduced by the falsehoods.”
EU carbon permits have plunged 80 percent since peaking at 34.40 euros ($45.17) a metric ton in 2008, the same year Derwent joined IETA as president. He previously helped advise U.K. Prime Minister Tony Blair…
Carbon permits for December fell 4.33 percent today to 6.85 euros on the ICE Futures Europe exchange in London as of 12:18 p.m…
“We really thought we were doing fantastically well,” he said. “We just did not realize how bad things could get. We might have managed to prevent it falling so far as it did.”
Dirk Forrister, the former climate adviser to U.S. President Bill Clinton, is replacing Derwent this week. “Watch out very carefully for the tides of changing opinion” is Derwent’s advice to his successor. “We must make sure that we don’t get beached by this ebb tide.” …
Some European Union lawmakers are doubting that carbon markets are the answer to climate change, Derwent said. “It’s a shame to see the EU collectively losing its belief.”
European Commission officials governing the bloc’s market, including Jos Delbeke and Peter Zapfel in Brussels, have “not lost the plot,” Derwent said. “They were and remain heroes. Their ability to prevail over other directorates-general is weakened substantially.” …
He (Derwent) urged carbon traders to see beyond current prices, which reached a record low last month. “Look further up the road. Don’t look at your feet.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-05-04/carbon-market-lobbyist-criticizes-whopping-falsehoods-.html
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The Climate Commission are a bunch of patsies set up as a distraction. You know if you want to stop this carbon tax that the Chief Climate Commissioner can’t do that even if Flannery could be turned. The government’s paymasters are just dangling a ball of string in front of your face and like a cat you scratch at it instinctively, never noticing the hand above that’s really in control.
In my opinion, the party politics system ensures that democracy does not occur in Australia. It takes a policy of particularly ill conception and disastrous proportions to show this, which is why it doesn’t show more often.
I can accept one possible counterargument: that the people really do have control over government policy and that the people are stupid and lazy to have let this happen. Tough choice. Oligarchy or stupidity.
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I thought that Gillard had dictated that the Carbon Tax component would be clearly shown on all utility bills after July 1. Is this another one of her promises. Flannery must have a strong hide to appear in public, maybe “She who must be obeyed” has ordered him to do so and earn some of the extortionate amount of unearned salary he is receiving.
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Timmy, come to me.
Yes, Godmother?
Timmy, there will come a time when I will call upon you to do me a service.
Anything, Godmother, anything.
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Then, on her previous track record, you know it must be a lie
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I’m going.
My question to The Commission is;
Arctic sea ice extent is at or above 1975-2000 average, The April 2012 Bearing Sea ice extent is at record levels, the southern hemisphere did not warm appreciably in the last 15 years and is cooling. Australian is drought free with healthy rivers and lands.
Why does the commission advocate for expensive emission minimisation and reduction policies when there has been no detrimental effects, and by observations, only beneficial effects for The Australian ecology and human health and well being?
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Flannery’s usual answer, ”the scientists tell us we have to act”.
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Morning all. The wise Professor has invested in riverside property on the Hawkesbury. What was he thinking during the recent floods? You know, the ones that would never happen?
If the ABC was Relevant (Part 52)
(The learned Professor)
[Scene: A riverside mansion on the banks of the Hawkesbury River, which is running at full FLOOD. BRYAN walks up to JOHN, who is constructing a sandbag LEVEE at a PRODIGIOUS rate of KNOTS.]
Bryan: Professor Tim Flannery?
John: Yep.
Bryan: The Australian Climate Commissioner?
John: That’s me.
Bryan: I was wondering if you’d like to provide us with some of your unique insights into the Australian climate?
John: Kinda busy. [Heaves a sandbag onto the levee.]
Bryan: Whether, for instance, you would consider that the south-eastern area of Australia is no longer in a state of semi-permanent drought?
John: Don’t happen to sell flood insurance, do you?
Bryan: No, why?
John: Just developed a sudden interest.
Bryan: You don’t have flood insurance already?
John: No point, really. No rain, no floods.
Bryan: In spite of the aqua pura running past your letterbox?
John: That – that’s just an isolated, localised event.
Bryan: Like Wagga Wagga?
John: That’s localised as well.
Bryan: Like the better part of the south-eastern Australia?
John: Yep – it’s just an isolated, localised event over a bloody big area.
Bryan: But would you agree that whatever rainfall we’ve had has make its way into the dams and river systems? As opposed to being absorbed by a hot, dry earth resulting from global warming?
John: Irrelevant. I’ll bet that this rainfall isn’t even official.
Bryan: Official?
John: Has it been peer reviewed ? Has it been approved by a consensus of climate scientists? Has it been computer modeled? I’ll tell you – no!
Bryan: !!!
John: And even if it were computer modeled, the models would clearly demonstrate that these flood waters [indicates river] are incontrovertible evidence of global warming and mankind’s adverse influence on the climate.
Bryan: Are you sure?
John: Bryan. When shit happens, it’s global warming. Always.
Bryan: And when does global warming cause both drought AND flood?
John: Whenever I say so, Bryan.
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that’s a master stroke Speedy.
Flannery’s Flood wasn’t peer reviewed by Nature! 😀
Perhaps the Clergyman of Climate Change isn’t as tight with Gaia as he thought. He should lie down facing Kyoto and repeat AlGore Akbar! AlGore Akbar! A few Hail Hansens before bed is not going to cut it this time!
I bought a surge protector recently which claimed to offer a $50,000 connected equipment warranty if it failed its duty. That got me thinking… What if the government institutes this massive carbon taxation bureaucracy and… the climate still changes! The perverse terms of the surge protector warranty gave me a clue as to how the Climate Change Commission will evade responsibility for this outcome:
WARRANTY DOES NOT COVER ACTS OF GOD.
You’ve gotta read the fine print…
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People know that an inquiry is held only if the results are known. I expected this with the Flood Inquiry, what a waste of money.
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You’ve gotta see the movie, “The Man Who Sued God”. A classic, staring Billy Connolly, no less, and set in Australia, to boot.
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Question to Prof. Flummery:
Sir, what are your career plans after the next general election?
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My question:
“On what grounds do you expect to escape prosecution for fraud, deceptive financial advantage etc etc ?”
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That I like.
Makes your eyes water.
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Dear Tim
How have you justified your $180k salary for your part time job?
Does working only 3 days a week mean you can tell the truth for the other 4?
Cheers,
Speedy
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Economic growth and a larger/richer middle class have forced the socialist to move toward the “middle” in order to get public support or stay in office.
And that is why they have to get rid of the middle class (radical change of society) in order to both move back to the left and stay in office.
If the middle class is awaken from its complacency the plot will be stopped and the socialists will be out of office for a long long time.
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Aided by incorrect predictions from the CSIRO, David Karoly and others, you brainwashed Queensland Labor State Premier Peter Beattie and the QLP into building an expensive desalination plant based on your unscientific alarmist predictions of endless drought, soil so hot there’d be no run off even if there was rain and Brisbane running out of water sooner than later.
Do you accept responsibility for the massive waste of time, mpney and resources in building such a “white elephant” and also for your part in the disastrous flooding of Brisbane because the authorities were too frightened by your “drought” predictions to release excess water in time, which would have lessened the damage and loss of life which ensued?
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I don’t need to pay to hear Tim Flannery’s mantra, ”the (Government paid) scientists tell us it’s happening and it’s real”.
ALL of Flannery’s predictions have been proved wrong and alarmist and the real scientists say the science is not settled.
We are living well within all known climate extremes of the last century, there is nothing new under the sun.
The audience will be stacked with left-leaning climate scientists.
This show is an attempt to make us feel good about the carbon tax, just a few weeks away.
It would be better if no one attended.
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Strange that Bob Brown stepped down just as his brainchild-tax was to be released to a public. He won’t have to reap the public whirlwind. Good onya Bob, Tim Tam’s the one.
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So which OTHER independent organisations will also be present (purely in the interests of fairness and balance).
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10 to 1 on says all tickets were allocated before the announcement.
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Flammery has a look that the average person is likely to associate with the friendly schoolmaster, maybe in a recreation of an episode of some old american mini series or movie. I give him about 2.3 points and might well consider that he might be right for a part at some time in the future.
I would suggest that for the time being that he continues in the pursuit of his acting career and that if we have any need to contact him we will do so.
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Evening All…
Owing to an unexpected vacancy, the Australian Government is seeking applications for the position of
Climate Commissionaire.
The Role: Candidates for this position will display an
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Oops!
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Flannery admits no gain from this carbon tax pain………
Flannery: Just let me finish and say this. If the world as a whole cut all emissions tomorrow the average temperature of the planet is not going to drop in several hundred years, perhaps as much as 1000 years
Bolt: That doesn’t seem a good deal … So you don’t know about Australia, (but) you wouldn’t dispute that it’s within about a thousandth of a degree, around that magnitude, right?
Flannery: It’s going to be slight.
MORE HERE:-
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/column_flannery_admits_no_gain_from_this_carbon_tax_pain
What an absolute joke this flannery character is !
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Flannery was caught off guard and admitted that the temperature won’t drop for a thousand years.
He has never repeated that statement, he obviously received instructions from above.
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Very important questions for Flannery…….
1.Who decided that a Carbon Tax should be imposed.
2.What is the reason for a Carbon Tax being imposed.
3.Will the Carbon Tax reduce Global Warming.
4.What affect will the Carbon Tax have on climate change.
5.How much revenue will be raised by the Carbon Tax.
6.Does Carbon cause pollution.
7.How many jobs will be lost due to the Carbon Tax.
etc.etc.
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All this erudite stuff…pfff…the fact of the matter is, It’s Flannery’s heartbreakingly, achingly fake hat that’s the giveaway…it’s such a prop. Like a baby farting he knows no shame…
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