To Joanne and those working on this, take as much time as you need.
We can all wait, and some of us have a small idea how huge a task this really is.
Incidentally, today is our shopping day, and for those of you who may also be doing the same thing, here’s a small eye opening thing I want you all to do, if you’re at Coles or Wollies.
Look at the lighting. Look at the deli sections, look at the back of store cooking areas, the back of store cold storage areas. the back of store bakeries, the back of store food prep areas and all those glass fronted cold storage food display areas, look at the fresh food cooling areas, and of most importance, look along the back and side walls where they have those massive fridges. Then the three or four aisles also packed end to end with fridges. These aren’t fridges more as freezers to keep all that food in a state so it can be sold.
Now, imagine how much the electricity bill is for that one store. I’ve tried to find what it may be, but as you might guess, that is a difficult task. I can ballpark though. Take out your most recent power bill, and multiply that by between 200 and 500, and that’s just a quarterly bill, and that’s probably a conservative guess.
Coles has around 750 of these stores Australia wide.
Woolworths has around 870 of these stores Australia wide.
They make up just a small part of the Commerce sector that consumes 37% of all Australian power.
The Residential sector consumes 38% of all power. Just part of that Residential sector is being compensated.
No other sector is.
Keep in mind also that a percentage of those credits is being given away to power plants, so they can only pass on what they actually have to pay, so the power bill increase is just a part of the overall increase, rising each year.
Coles and Woolies will have to pass on that huge increase, of up to just 10% this year alone, so while you directly notice it with an increase to your household power bill, your weekly shop at Coles or Woolies will also be rising, and don’t think that a few cents here and thee on products doesn’t add up.
For all you people out there who think that this tax on CO2 emissions will not be much, think again.
Some of our old comments have E-vanished. Sometimes the whole thread is not found, and at other times the article is retrieved, but all the comments are stricken from the record. Sometimes I like to refer back to old comments, so this is a shame.
For instance, I just tried loading this February thread, and got a 404 Not Found error: http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/unthreaded-weekend-2/
I’d say, though, that I have high hopes in this “Site Maintenance” thing to bring the comments back from the dead.
Eric, unfortunately it appears that the old comments are still not visible, but we have backups. They are not lost, but that doesn’t mean they are easy to restore. The problem is that newer comments have a different ID series, and there are comments from May 8 – May 21 or so that are only in a google cache copy and need to be extracted from that. Stitching the three series together is time consuming, and I’m grateful that David T found time to try today, and not overly surprised that it wasn’t completed.
But yes, I too very much want those comments back. They are a big contribution to the site.
Jo
Was listening to some bloke of the radio the other day talking about a very large social experiment whch he conducted and the results he obtained were quite disturbing.
He conducted two experiments the first was as follows:
1) He gave people several maths questions and asked them to complete as many as they can in 5 minutes.
2) He then gave them the answers and asked them to mark there own work.
3) He then told them to shred their work and he would give them $1 for every question they got right.
Of course they did not really shred their own work it only appeared as if they had, what he found was that out of 30,000 people sampled about 12000 told the truth and about 18000 said they answered one or two more questions correctly (stealing a dollar or two) and there was a very small sample that ripped them off.
His conclusion was that most people would like to think of themselves as honest and we can only steal a small amount of money before we consider it dishonest.
He then conducted the experiment again but this time instead of trading correct answers with money he traded correct answers with tokins which the people could then trade for money, the result was a quadrupling of the fraud.
His conclusion was that the more removed one is from *the money* the more likely they are to be able to steal that money and still feel that they are being honest in some way. Which is why the money junkies would rob you blind in a heart beat because it is not real money just numbers on a screen.
By the way he is global warming christchurch style.
To Joanne and those working on this, take as much time as you need.
We can all wait, and some of us have a small idea how huge a task this really is.
Incidentally, today is our shopping day, and for those of you who may also be doing the same thing, here’s a small eye opening thing I want you all to do, if you’re at Coles or Wollies.
Look at the lighting. Look at the deli sections, look at the back of store cooking areas, the back of store cold storage areas. the back of store bakeries, the back of store food prep areas and all those glass fronted cold storage food display areas, look at the fresh food cooling areas, and of most importance, look along the back and side walls where they have those massive fridges. Then the three or four aisles also packed end to end with fridges. These aren’t fridges more as freezers to keep all that food in a state so it can be sold.
Now, imagine how much the electricity bill is for that one store. I’ve tried to find what it may be, but as you might guess, that is a difficult task. I can ballpark though. Take out your most recent power bill, and multiply that by between 200 and 500, and that’s just a quarterly bill, and that’s probably a conservative guess.
Coles has around 750 of these stores Australia wide.
Woolworths has around 870 of these stores Australia wide.
They make up just a small part of the Commerce sector that consumes 37% of all Australian power.
The Residential sector consumes 38% of all power. Just part of that Residential sector is being compensated.
No other sector is.
Keep in mind also that a percentage of those credits is being given away to power plants, so they can only pass on what they actually have to pay, so the power bill increase is just a part of the overall increase, rising each year.
Coles and Woolies will have to pass on that huge increase, of up to just 10% this year alone, so while you directly notice it with an increase to your household power bill, your weekly shop at Coles or Woolies will also be rising, and don’t think that a few cents here and thee on products doesn’t add up.
For all you people out there who think that this tax on CO2 emissions will not be much, think again.
Tony.
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Saw this and thought i would pass it on.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2012/06/06/an-update-on-the-plight-of-the-thompsons-in-australia/
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Some of our old comments have E-vanished. Sometimes the whole thread is not found, and at other times the article is retrieved, but all the comments are stricken from the record. Sometimes I like to refer back to old comments, so this is a shame.
For instance, I just tried loading this February thread, and got a 404 Not Found error: http://joannenova.com.au/2012/02/unthreaded-weekend-2/
I’d say, though, that I have high hopes in this “Site Maintenance” thing to bring the comments back from the dead.
00
Eric, unfortunately it appears that the old comments are still not visible, but we have backups. They are not lost, but that doesn’t mean they are easy to restore. The problem is that newer comments have a different ID series, and there are comments from May 8 – May 21 or so that are only in a google cache copy and need to be extracted from that. Stitching the three series together is time consuming, and I’m grateful that David T found time to try today, and not overly surprised that it wasn’t completed.
But yes, I too very much want those comments back. They are a big contribution to the site.
Jo
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Was listening to some bloke of the radio the other day talking about a very large social experiment whch he conducted and the results he obtained were quite disturbing.
He conducted two experiments the first was as follows:
1) He gave people several maths questions and asked them to complete as many as they can in 5 minutes.
2) He then gave them the answers and asked them to mark there own work.
3) He then told them to shred their work and he would give them $1 for every question they got right.
Of course they did not really shred their own work it only appeared as if they had, what he found was that out of 30,000 people sampled about 12000 told the truth and about 18000 said they answered one or two more questions correctly (stealing a dollar or two) and there was a very small sample that ripped them off.
His conclusion was that most people would like to think of themselves as honest and we can only steal a small amount of money before we consider it dishonest.
He then conducted the experiment again but this time instead of trading correct answers with money he traded correct answers with tokins which the people could then trade for money, the result was a quadrupling of the fraud.
His conclusion was that the more removed one is from *the money* the more likely they are to be able to steal that money and still feel that they are being honest in some way. Which is why the money junkies would rob you blind in a heart beat because it is not real money just numbers on a screen.
By the way he is global warming christchurch style.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/7055292/Coldest-day-in-130-years-of-records
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are my ever popular and witty comments back I wonder?
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Saw this discussion at climate audit and WUWT referring a new paper that shows Australian warming confirmed in various proxies
http://newsroom.melbourne.edu/news/n-813
now put on hold:
http://climateaudit.org/2012/06/08/gergis-et-al-put-on-hold/
after some serious flaws have been found by Steve McIntire, even if there was some discussion about data availability:
http://climateaudit.org/2012/06/03/gergis-two-medieval-proxies/
Looks like without the sceptics review at climate audit another flawed paper would have re-activated the hockey-stick-zombie.
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