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Steve Goreham, author of “Climatism” and his latest “The Mad, Mad, Mad World of Climatism” has compiled an handy set of quotes — ordered and sorted, just for that moment when you need something related to, say, ocean acidification, health effects, biofuels, Al Gore, carbon taxes, overpopulation, the UN, the IPCC, and more.
Steve holds an MS in EE and lives in Illinois. I have his first book on my desk:Â extremely well researched, well written, well laid out. Polished and professional. He is across so many aspects of both science and politics, like few others. An organized mind. I like it!
Climatism Quotes
Here’s a select few
These people are called “progressives” (See Energy, other)
âIf you ask me, itâd be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it.â    âAmory Lovins, environmentalist, Mother Earth News, Nov.-Dec. 1977
âGiving society cheap, abundant energy would be the equivalent of giving an idiot child a machine gun.â    âDr. Paul Ehrlich, Anne Ehrlich, and Dr. John Holdren, Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment, 1970, p. 323
âThe prospect of cheap fusion energy is the worst thing that could happen to the planet.â    âJeremy Rifkin, environmentalist, Los Angeles Times, Apr. 19, 1989
On Money:
âHe [Al Gore] impressed us all at Deutsche Bank Asset Management. We invited him to an internal meeting in April 2007 during which we discussed the issue of climate change extensively. A few months later, he received the Nobel Peace Prize for his commitment. We then created a fund that invests in companies that position themselves as climate-neutral. Within two months almost 10 billion dollars flowed into this fund. Can you imagine? 10 billion! There has never been such an overwhelming success.â    âKevin Parker, Director of Global Asset Management, Deutsche Bank, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Nov. 15, 2010
ClimateGate
âOver 2.5 billion people live on less than $2 a day. Every day nearly 16,000 children die from hunger or related causes. One dollar can save a lifeâthe opposite must also be true. Poverty is a death sentence. Nations must invest $37 trillion in energy technologies by 2030 to stabilize their greenhouse gas emissions at sustainable levels. Todayâs decisions must be made on all information we can get, not on hiding the decline.â    âContext statement provided in second release of Climategate e-mails, Nov. 22, 2011
âAlso we have applied a completely artificial adjustment to the data after 1960, so they look closer to observed temperatures than the tree-ring data actually wereâŚâ    âDr. Tim Osborn, Climatic Research Unit, disclosed Climategate e-mail, Dec. 20, 2006
âWe, therefore, do not hold the original raw data but only the value-added (i.e. quality controlled and homogenized) data.â    âClimatic Research Unit web site, the worldâs leading provider of global temperature data, admitting that it canât produce the original thermometer data, 2011
Energy, Hydrocarbon Fuels
âCoal is a portable climate.â    âRalph Waldo Emerson, US author, 1860
âOil production should peak out around the world in the early 1990sâŚâ    âJames Schlesinger, former US Energy Secretary, Time Magazine, Apr. 25, 1977
âWe are not running out of oil and gas. We are running into oil and gas. Predictions of peak oil and gas are not only being made for the wrong year and decade, but also for the wrong century.â    âDr. Robert Bradley, Institute for Energy Research web site, July 7, 2011
On science:
âAl Gore likes to say that mankind puts 70 million tons of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere every day. What he probably doesnât know is that mother nature puts 24,000 times that amount of our main greenhouse gasâwater vaporâinto the atmosphere every day and removes about the same amount every day. While this does not âproveâ that global warming is not man-made, it shows that weather systems have by far the greatest control over the Earthâs greenhouse effect, which is dominated by water vapor and clouds.â    âDr. Roy Spencer website, âGlobal Warming and Natureâs Thermostat,â January 28, 2008
Others:
âIt is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.â    âThomas Jefferson, former US president
âWe have discovered that the warming in New Zealand over the past 156 years was indeed man-made, but it had nothing to do with emissions of CO2âit was created by man-made adjustments of the temperature.â    âNew Zealand Climate Science Coalition web site, Nov. 25, 2009
It’s here: http://www.climatism.net/quotes-on-climate-change-environment-and-energy/
Which ones are your favourites?
UPDATE: Steve will have to add the one from David Suzuki. Jim Lakey at Heartland sent a copy of Rael Isaacâs book, Roosters of the Apocalypse, and being a true socialist scientist, Suzuki debunked it will the best logic and reason he could muster.
I am a scientist and I take great umbrage at being sent such a load of crap from a bullshit shill organization for the oil industry. You are the most anti-science group I can imagine.
David Suzuki
Can’t you just feel the hatred?
John Roskam from the IPA wrote in the Australian Financial Review today while discussing the outcome of the US Presidential election which really struck home in a similar vein to these writings:
“There’s a paradox about the political left of the 21st century. Its members claim they care deeply about future generations when it comes to the environment. Yet when it comes to government spending, the left has no qualms about future generations paying for the demands of the current generation of voters.”
And:
British historian Niall Ferguson was right. “If young Americans knew what was good for them, they’d all be in the Tea Party.”
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Agree with the first quote but to advocate joining the Tea Party is a tad absurd.
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Why do you think the Tea Party is absurd?…. It’s about maintaining the spirit of the American constitution in government and society while requiring Government to balance its budgets…….. What is absurd about that. That’s what Ferguson was driving at.
You shouldn’t fall prey to the left wing media’s ridicule of political opponents and ideological adversaries….. Remember when Sarah Palin said: “I can see Russia from my window”?
Except it wasn’t Sarah Palin that said that.
….That was Tina Fey on a Comedy show ‘Saturday night Live’, ridiculing Sarah Palin. Palin was only pointing out that Alaska was the only state that bordered two countries, Russia and Canada and that as a Governor of an American state she was more aware than others of border issues. A valid point I would have thought…. and there are plenty of other memes developed to build unconcious aversions within the viewing and voting public.
Australians have been taught to dislike America and Americans by a very rabid Left wing media and the ABC…. you might want to review your Pavlov like responses…. Because when you analyze some of them you’ll realize they are taught responses and not built upon logical foundations of fact.
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Well said JH.
The purpose of propaganda and indoctrination is to insert “Unquestionable Assumptions” into the minds of the target subjects. These assumptions then underpin the choices and actions of the target subjects without them ever questioning why they make those choices or take those actions.
The way to escape from this process is to rigorously test what you currently believe to be true. It is in the arena of what you believe to be true that you will find the most valuable surprises.
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I agree with ExWarmist on this.
One thing I will add however, is that once you have recognised propaganda for what it is, then you can reverse engineer the message to find out what it was intended to hide.
As in J Hansford’s example, if we look at the propaganda ridiculing the Tea Party, it came from people who see the Constitution as a constraint on what they want to do, and would therefore like to get rid of it. The Tea Party is therefore a threat to their ambitions, and that is their weakness.
I will watch the continued growth of the Tea Party with interest.
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RW…
An excellent point.
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Speaking of thought control, propaganda and indoctrination you can’t go past the wall
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The Tea Party is full of nutters on many social issues. Completely out of touch with modern society and has very radical views.
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Juliar – You need to get out more.
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Here’s a guess…
One of the social issues that you are railing about would be abortion.
Does any part of the argument between ProLifers (right) and Abortion Rights (left) have anything to do with the acquisition, maintenance and execution of legal coercive power?
You need to look beyond the forms and see the framework that informs the existence of the forms. The whole conversation around social issues is simply the “form” and not the informing framework.
For example, in a dictatorship you could have abortion on demand, or it’s banning – and it would still be a dictatorship.
I just use Abortion as an example – do you think any other Social Issue would be any different in terms of it’s relationship to the acquisition, maintenance and execution of legal coercive power?
The conversation around “social issues” is a distraction designed to divert your energy away from examining the application of “legal coercive power” to extract value from your life.
The Tea Party is a reaction to a growing awareness that there is something “wrong with the system”, a budding awareness of issues within the governing framework of culture and society. This process of awareness growth still has a long way to go.
The fact that you are so cavalier in your dismissal of the Tea Party suggests that you have neither examined it, nor understood it.
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Here straight from the horse’s mouth are the Ten Tenets of The TPM.
“Ten Core Beliefs of the Modern-Day Tea Party Movement”
1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes –
2. Eliminate the National Debt –
3. Eliminate Deficit Spending –
4. Protect Free Markets –
:5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States –
6. Promote Civic Responsibility –
7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government –
8. Believe in the People –
9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics â
10. Maintain Local Independence –
http://www.teaparty-platform.com/
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Llew
That sounds great.
We need a Tea Party here in Australia to get us all out of slavery.
Politicians have no right to use our hard won taxes to help themselves get re-elected through
vote buying.
KK đ
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The Tea Party stands for:
Balanced budget
Responsible spending
No deficit spending
No debt
How can standing for all of the aspects of a responsible mature adult managing an income and household be undesirable?
It is the liberals who try to label the Tea Party as radical and off the wall. THey are actually saying that mature, responsible behavior is unacceptable to them.
JOIN THE TEA PARTY.
YOU ARE ALREADY A MEMBER, IF YOU BALANCE YOUR CHECK BOOK EACH MONTH, HAVE A SAVINGS ACCOUNT, AND MANAGE YOUR CREDIT DEBT PROPERLY.
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Thank you all for the excellent discussion on comment #1.
The bottom line is
Points 6, 8, 9 and 10 are the tough ones. If we can achieve those then the others fall into place.
This is exactly what we need.
You in Australia might benefit from your own “tea party”.
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True Jaymez, but there is a disconnection in some peoples brains. They see the Government as a big bag of money, and if they squeal loudly enough, they will get some.
The attitude is very common in public servants, teachers, university employees, medical environs (doctors, their wives and nurses) and all those who get their income from the government (State or National). And who is to say that they have been wrong, as the results of the last 50 years show.
The problem is that governments everywhere are running out of other peoples money, as showing up in Greece, Spain, Portugal and other countries in Europe. The USA and the UK are going to follow those countries in the next year. So far they’ve kept going by “printing money” in various ways.
They will try to reduce the huge debts by inflation, hoping to keep it low enough not to spark a revolt. They will have the support of all those who think they will not be affected. Take the case (theoretical of course) of a university lecturer who thinks his salary will be adjusted in line with inflation, and that he will get a comfortable pension. But as history shows, when the grumbling about inflation starts, the politicians bring in a “wages and prices policy” which is generally useless, except as a means of reducing public salaries. A friend of mine made a return visit to Argentina and went to his old University where he met his professor who was delighted to have met him, because he only came into the Uni for an hour every fortnight to pick up his pay. The professor had a guaranteed job, but a fixed salary which was equivalent to about a month’s pay in a year. Naturally he had other ways of getting income. And that same “wages and prices policy” is particularly useful in reducing the value of pensions, “entitlements” etc.
That assumes of course that the authorities can keep the inflation rate at their desired levels. Otherwise, as events showed in Germany (and Austria and Hungary) in the 1920’s the results are disastrous, and destructive of the social fabric.
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Graeme No.3 says…
As Lenin said here
And as Keynes agreed here
The worlds monetary system is based on full fiat currencies with fractional reserve banking. Central banks such as the BOE, BOJ, ECB and the FED are monetising government debt and buying up toxic securities from the power broking banks. This will not end well.
And for the Green schemers – who will pay for your scams when the currency is debauched and social relations shattered.
BTW: Hyperinflation risk is highest in the US and the UK according to analysis by UBS
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Once the currency has been debauched it will then be replaced with…..a carbon based emissions trading system using carbon certificates as “money”. Each and everyone of us will be allocated a monthly energy usuage certificate (much like Schelnhuber’s CO2 rationing system) which cannot be accumulated. It is by this means that the elite will redistribute the wealth by levelling all of us down to an energy based economic system in place of the existing one.
It is utopian madness.
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Your assuming that the power elites will be able to maintain control during a world wide monetary crisis – that’s not a given.
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I have five:
âAsia-Pacific countries must undergo structural adjustment to make key policy changes needed to switch their development modeâŚMost member countries have followed the industrial model of developed countries, which is the root cause of climate change. This traditional industrial development model results in an unsustainable energy consumption pattern.â âUnited Nations report, December, 2010
âFifty Million Climate Refugees by 2010âł âUnited Nations Environment Programme web site, 2005
âWe need a proper understanding of the past to correctly judge the present if we ever are to foretell the future.â âDr. Craig Idso, CO2Science website, 2001
âFacts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.â âJohn Adams, former US president, 1770
âIt doesnât matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesnât matter how smart you are. If it doesnât agree with experiment, itâs wrong.â âDr. Richard Feynman
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excellent Rereke. I like the last quote best,
Robert
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And there we are.
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âIt doesnât matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesnât matter how smart you are. If it doesnât agree with experiment, itâs wrong.â âDr. Richard Feynman
Thank you Rereke, thank you Feynman, thank you linesman, thank you ball boys.
The game is over, why is it still discussed?
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I used to imagine the malaise was because of nature loving (Pagan) scientists, like Suzuki et al and pisswit politicians and the “game would soon be over” as real science, if not enlightened common sense prevailed but it seems that the Western populace in general is a pretty dumb bunch or they wouldn’t vote in economic no hopers like Obama in the US or the present irredeemably clueless Federal ALP here in Aus.
Who’s for benevolent dictatorship?
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Methinks you will get a dictatorship.
I agree with the idea that once people realize they can vote themselves access to the state treasury (e.g. Gillard, Obama) that democracy crumbles and is replaced by a dictatorship.
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Because no one can do an experiment. You can’t set up an alternate earth, but without extra CO2 and wait and see what happens. So we are not dealing with that sort of science. We are trying to attempt to predict the future of a complex system. Not easy, and will only ever be a rough approximation at best. But not to try, given the potential ramifications, would be unforgivable.
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So it’s not ‘settled’ John?
From whom would we seeking forgiveness?
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You do not need to experiment with the whole Earth and you do not need to experiment with CO2 to demonstrate, that the “trapped radiation” effect does not work. It can be done in a lab easily and it has been done already. Back in 1909: http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/wood_rw.1909.html
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Thank you Greg. I remembered about the experiment, but couldn’t remember where I had seen it.
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John knows you don’t need to do an Earth-in-test-tube experiment.
Because we’ve explained to him a dozen times that a climate hypothesis must make predictions about how the climate behaves… Not so much in the FUTURE, as in the PAST… The fact that AGW “research” is all about the future, rather than the past, shows that it is really about political motivated prophecy, rather than an honest attempt to describe how nature works.
Since we can not know the future without waiting for it to arrive, there is ZERO science to do with AGW future predictions.
This is because THE basic rule of scientific method is that ALL predictions (implications) that can NOT be subjected to direct verification fall outside the realm of science. Therefore, statements about the nature of the climate 50-years hence are NOT science, but a variety of prophecy, which illegitimately appropriates scientific-sounding jargon to make a statement which can not be tested.
To repeat: ANY STATEMENT WHICH CAN NOT BE TESTED IS NOT SCIENCE.
Now that we cleared that up….We CAN test the AGW hypothesis by studying the past climate record to see if the implications of the AGW theory offer a useful description of what has already occurred.
For instance, we know that the Medieval Warming Period (circa 1000 AD) was as warm or warmer than today, but at atmospheric CO2 levels far lower than today. The AGW hypothesis predicts this is not possible and so offers no useful description of how the MWP came to be.
What do you call a hypothesis that fails to correctly predict observed natural phenomena?
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Yes! It is not science! It is an attempt to forecast or predict. Just as the weather forecasters do. They use observations and computer models to predict the future weather. Thus even though this morning dawned fine and sunny, I was not at all surprise when the predicted rain arrived.
This, “Its not science” argument is a load of cobblers. Mere semantics and sophistry.
Face up to it guys – we have a problem, and we need to address it. Burying your heads in the sand would be somewhat more useful than your current actions.
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We have a problem all right. And it’s guys like you, John Brookes.
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John Teabagger Brookes, wailing and weeping isn’t science either. It is however a symptom.
You’ll have no success with me (or thousands of other rational people) using no science to explain what MUST be explained by science (then calling it sophistry)! It is you that is blind to your own irrationality. It is you with your head
in the sandup your discharge pipe.Why don’t you spend more time with your “sky is falling” colleagues? Get yourselves all worked up to do an “occupy” event……..
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John,
I suggest you familiarise yourself with the scientific method, because with this comment you show us that you don’t understand it. That said, if it cannot be verified by experiment it isn’t science, BY DEFINITION. So you confuse technically sophisticated religion with science, and that’s were all the problems start from – misunderstanding the nature of science.
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Herein lies the problem John, if you are not dealing with Feynmans science you are not dealing with science.
Educate yourself, read up on Feynman.
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Feynman would think you are an idiot, but he would not waste energy saying it.
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This is what Jacques-Yves Cousteau said in an interview (The Unesco Courier, November 1991, p.13 http://unesdoc.unesco.org/images/0009/000902/090256eo.pdf):
“World population must be stabilized and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day.”
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I think David Suzuki needs to quietly retire to his vegetable garden…
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Have commented on David Suzuki previously but for today , two words: Arrogant and Evil.
When you look at all the effort made by people on this blog to get a handle on CO2 induced climate change and
the success in that endeavor then Suzuki can be seen for what he is.
He shows a willful un-readiness to examine the CAGW monster and confirm the facts before opening his mouth and
a willful willingness to engage in self aggrandizement and profit from his ignorance.
So much for the “purity” of science.
What does it cost to Buy science; apparently not much!
KK
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To be amongst his own kind …
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I suspect he already grows some strange mushrooms there.
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My antipathy towards him comes from a talk he gave at the Civic theater Newcastle.
I was appalled at the venom and ugliness of his behaviour but what really hurt was that my wife and I paid good money to hear him.
Not a good ad for environmentalism.
KK
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there must be a line in here:
9 Nov: Lynn Doan: Bloomberg: California Carbon âCrippledâ by Buyer Hesitation: Energy Markets
California carbon is trading at a record low as legal threats, political opposition and rule changes plague the days leading up to the first auction of permits under the stateâs greenhouse-gas program…
***State regulators agreed to spend 18 months reviewing and not enforcing the ban, which prohibits companies from bringing low-emission electricity into California while sending more carbon-intensive power to other states…
Amid the criticism, power utilities such as Pacific Gas & Electric and Edison International (EIX)âs Southern California Edison have continued to uphold the cap-and-trade program as the best option the state has to cut emissions.
âWeâve been supportive of a cap-and-trade structure to achieve greenhouse-gas emission goals all along, and weâre still there,â Gary Stern, Edisonâs director of market strategy and resource planning in Rosemead, California, said by telephone Nov. 7. âThe market structure is a lower-cost means of achieving the goals than other command and control approaches might be.â…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-11-09/california-carbon-crippled-by-buyer-hesitation-energy-markets.html
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The green ideology and its mutant offspring, AGW, is chock full of quotable quotes:
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What a breathtaking and frightening insight into the mental processes of these people!
What they say to each other in private is often more instructive than what they say publicly and hence the importance of the Climategate emails. But every now and again they overstep boundaries in public statements. Most of the audience are so sheep like, they nod along in agreement to the most morally objectionable pronouncements.
Iâm wondering if some of these people in these quotes are actually high functioning psychopaths.
Why not? We get them in very senior positions at the top of many ordinary organisations. These people are highly intelligent, manipulative and persuasive and good at managing perceptions of those above them. They routinely use âuseful idiotsâ, until they cease to be useful or start questioning at which point they get actively destroyed as a lesson to all other useful idiots. Organisational Psychopaths have no qualms about inflicting devastation on anyone they see as beneath them or who get in their way. They generally leave a trail of destruction. The one I worked with vindictively almost managed to take an entire organisation down (he was a Dr. of Psychology BTW and according to a Uni expert in this field who I talked to, that is not uncommon). That is what they get off on â power over many others and the destruction they can cause, if they choose.
The people in these quotes clearly have no problem with scientific dishonesty, manipulating people and, for goodness-sake, even advocating mass death via poverty, in that name of âsustainabilityâ, of course. It is all for their crusade, irrespective of whether the theory behind it stands up or not.
It is scary to consider the consequences. In reality, theyâve found themselves a global system more effective at killing/impoverishing masses of people; more efficient than anything despot dictators, like Pol Pot or Stalin, managed to achieve. And they seemingly donât have to get their own hands dirty.
Who said ethically and morally devoid crazies couldnât reside in science labs, or at the top of large international institutions with the power to abuse their influence over entire societies?
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I’m sure there are elements of sociopathy among many of these self-appointed elites. Arrogance and malignant narcissism by the bucketload, of course, but where to draw the line to pathological behaviour?
One thing is clear; these self-appointed elites are an occupying force in our societies, who care nothing for the bulk of the people who make up the societies they occupy. They plunder the countries and oppress the people.
There are some people (such as the proprietors of this and similar blogs) who act as the rebel opposition. And every time they harry and expose these elites for what they are, it is a valuable act of defiance; the elites hate being annoyed in this way as it undermines their fragile feeling of superiority and security.
Ridicule is perhaps the best weapon, but every act of opposition is a valuable one.
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This is a good post regarding psychopaths. Yes, they are found everywhere and ‘appear’ normal in most ways. A very few are axe murderers. Rather, they are the decent, personable, always trying to help, outward going humane person.
But underneath they lack empathy. Their main goal is power over others at any cost. It’s not a new phenomenon by any means. History is full of such people and their terrible impact on their friends, neighbours, cities, nations and the world.
The thesis (I won’t even call it a theory) of CO2 causing climate change has been grabbed by such individuals. Many are in academic or science circles. This is because of the big increase and acceptance of computers. When the Club Of Rome wrote the ‘Limits To Growth’ they used a very primitive (by today’s standards) computer to simply extend growth charts until they went ‘off scale’.
I was one of the first to buy a copy and tried to convince my lecturers. I and other friend went to hear Erlich, enraptured by his evangelical zeal. But, as many of us do, I grew older and wiser to the tricks played on us by many in the world.
I still have the wool pulled over my eyes in many instances. But the older one becomes the things that tricked you when young soon lose all attraction. Thankfully, I quickly saw the Club Of Rome’s, etc, negative godawful predictions as utter nonsense and drivel not worthy of the scrapheap.
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Oh yes, the enemy of man is man. Look at all the wars of the past 100 years. How many millions killed – by their fellow man. And yet people are mostly good natured and get along very well with their fellow man. So its a bit of a paradox.
But, despite the Pollyanna’s of the world, we will reach unsustainable levels of population at some stage. Indeed we already see that many internal revolts in countries are based not on any particular reason or ideology, but simply a surplus of young males with inadequate opportunities to work, get married, and get on with life. So reducing the birth rate is a must.
Look at locusts. Everything goes along just fine for a few years, but suddenly there are too many of them, and they all die hungry.
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And socialists all of them that did the killing. Incidentally John, species which experience catastrophic reductions in population numbers tend to compensate by having catastrophic increases in population numbers. Does this mean that the exploding human population is driven by a subconscious urge to survive in anticipation of a future catastrophe?
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Are you really comparing humans to locusts?!
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Of course. If we don’t address overpopulation, we will suffer their fate.
There may be stuff you don’t like about the Chinese, but at least they understood the need to stop their population growing, and did something about it. If only India, much of Africa and parts of the middle east & Asia took it seriously.
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You’re an idiot,John.
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Not a very bright idiot either.
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John says about locuses and humans:
Locuses are typically eaten by birds, particularly Bush Turkeys, Ibises and chickens; so that’s it folks; humans are going to be eaten by chickens.
The irony.
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John why don’t you do us all a favour and start addressing the overpopulation issue [snip] first.
Go on, lead by example you misanthropic fool.
[Let’s not use that word in that way]ED
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John,
Do you have any idea how many girl babies were killed as a result of China’s one child policy?
Do you have children? Are any of them girls?
Do you have any idea of the gender imbalance in China today as a result of the one child policy?
There are quite a few Chinese families who will not have grandchildren because their one son cannot find a wife.
Central planning, what a joke.
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Referring to humans as locusts…
The projection of the world population is about 9 billion by around 2050. This is based, however, on progress in the standard of living in developing countries. It has been long noticed that developed nations have lower birth rates. e.g. only 2 children or less per couple.
Even the Chinese are now contemplating an easing of the ‘one child policy’ because of its recent rise in living standards. This could and should happen all over the world.
But, and it’s a big BUT, this development will only occur if it is allowed to. What can stop it? Simple. The scare campaign by Greens and conservationists that we must all do with less to save the planet.
This means less coal power generation, use of increased arable cropping land for bio fuels, reliance on more land use for ‘backyard’ organic food production, aversion to GM foods and a general disdain for intensive food production.
If the Greens and conservationists ( read preservationists) have their way then that would guarantee a population explosion to over 10 billion and way beyond so that general starvation and chaos would result.
Not surprisingly, the AGWs etc are indeed inhumane psychopaths of the worst kind. The proponents will, of course, ensure they themselves will live in luxury.
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You surpass yourself with your level of drivel.
Is not the populous that goes to war. It is the patrician ruling elite who go to war, and then expect the plebeian population to be cannon fodder whilst they oversee matters from the safety of a bunker, several kilometres to the rear.
There has never been a democratic vote in favour of going to war.
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Oh well, you’ve shown that you are a bunch of Pollyannas. But at least you’ll be happy…
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This from the NCAR (via Climate Progress).
We have a problem, maybe we should consider doing something about it? Or will this be another case of Republican types doing alternate maths to make themselves feel better? I suspect Karl Rove’s denial of the bleeding obvious on election night will go into US folklore.
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Finger licking stupidity
KFCJFC; Trenberth’s analysis is mind-numbingly stupid; Trenberth says because some of the models manged to get close in predicting what levels of RH were in the atmosphere, and because those same models also predicted much warmer future 2XCO2 temps they must be right.I mean, this is really stupid because Trenberth also admits the same models don’t understand clouds, which are both far more important climatically then RH and which are closely associated with humidity levels.
It’s a mess but Trenberth can still say things are worse; the man should cleaning parks not scaring people with stupidity.
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Just as I thought Cohenite but even Faux News can occasionally see the bleeding obvious:
With apologies to Groucho Marx; who you gonna believe, Sarah Palin and the Tea Baggers or your own lyin’ eyes? Now near on 70% of Americans believe climate change is a problem we need to address. Is this the end game for the anti-science brigade?
PS, can I interest you in a countdown clock from the Heartland Institute? Only $19.95. Classic, you couldn’t make this up.
http://heartlandstore.org/CountDown-To-Obamas-Last-Day-Clock/M/B0063KDPWG.htm
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So, about the same number as believe World Wide Wrestling is for real, and that Elvis is alive and living in Hawaii.
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And these people have the bomb?
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JFC, they actually had those countdown clocks for GWB too (although I doubt that heartland sold them).
Still it must have been tough for heartland to have to add 4 years…
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JFC 10.1.1 states:
What hope for science then?
…when similarly, 80% believe in angels, 33% believe in UFO’s, 20% believe they have seen ghosts,and nearly 50% believe in creationism.
Excuse me? Is your double thinking for real? Admit it, go on…you forgot to use the -sarc- tag, didn’t you?
Real Science is neither based on authority nor popularity, though it seems that post-modern science courts these idols adeptly, pandering to moronic populism, fostering superstition and ignorance, and apparently promoting belief in so many like yourself.
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Wow Manfred, there’s an own goal if ever I saw one!
So the Republicans/Tea Baggers who are also the religious right wing nut-jobs who believe in angels, creationism and no doubt those other things you mention are also the ones who believe AGW is a hoax.
See the connection? Or do I have to spell it out?
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[Connection? Yes, people who follow a mature religion are less likely to be taken in by an immature name-calling one which is intolerant, elitist, and a spiritual vaccum. Is that what you had in mind? – If you are trying to impress us with your reasoning, do start with evidence instead of irrelevant weak correlations. — Jo
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JFC,
as I asked John Brookes (without receiving an answer) in an earlier Comment at another Post:
No wimping now!
Tony.
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Gees T,
look… no response!! nobody to tell him what to say đ
pucilanimous git, that he is.
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Sorry Tony, should have replied. I use the term teabagger because it is funny, and because I have no respect for the tea party. Until recently I wasn’t even aware that teabagger had any meaning other than someone who used a tea bag. So when I use it, the only picture in my head is of a limp, used tea bag.
Why do I have no respect for them? Because they appear to be just another variety of fundamentalist. People for whom the world is too complicated, so they put their faith in the US constitution. Why can’t we have a world of pragmatists? Why all the people who think that there is a god ordained order to the world, instead of just thinking that somethings work better than others?
The world is what we make it, and it is being remade all the time.
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Yes John, the constitution that created a nation that can still swamp yours economically, any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I think your real bitch is that we are more successful than you are and you’re just plain jealous. You share that with President Obama by the way. So you’re in good company. I could wish he was your prime minister so you could suffer him first-hand.
Hate success if you will but it may just triumph after all and swamp you. Some things do work better than others. I’ll leave you your world if you want it. But leave mine alone. I do quite well under the constitution you abhor so much.
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PS: Get yourself a real job, one where you have to deliver what the boss wants or go hungry. I think you’d not last very long. Your insulated university world is a lousy test of what you’re made of. Real life has consequences for foolishness and stupidity.
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So John Teabagger Brookes (you’re right that is funny), why don’t you tell me point by point what you disagree with:
âTen Core Beliefs of the Modern-Day Tea Party Movementâ
1. Eliminate Excessive Taxes â
2. Eliminate the National Debt â
3. Eliminate Deficit Spending –
4. Protect Free Markets â
:5. Abide by the Constitution of the United States â
6. Promote Civic Responsibility â
7. Reduce the Overall Size of Government â
8. Believe in the People â
9. Avoid the Pitfalls of Politics â
10. Maintain Local Independence â
I see you have a new idiot friend here too: JFC.
JFteabaggerC, perhaps you too could offer some brilliant……..never mind.
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John Brookes says:
Yes, it is being remade. But it has to be remade with reference to a constant, and within defined limits, or entropy occurs, and the world would descend into chaos.
The U.S. Constitution and the associated Bill of Rights, provide that constant. I doubt that you have actually read those documents, but you should, before commenting. They are beautifully worded, and almost totally unambiguous in their intent.
They were also written by people with a sense of morals and duty and service, that we never ever see in today’s politicians.
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Manfred at 10.1.1.3 says:
As for ghosts, i don’t think they are real, but i believe that 99% of dogs can see them… that’s a joke folks, he hastily added.
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I should add that the 1% of dogs that don’t see ghosts have shown promising signs of possessing rudimentary logical reasoning… sarc.
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This is just an observation here.
Notice how one side of this debate always has a convenient epithet when they attach a label to those who disagree with them, and this teabagger epithet is just one of a number of them.
Then, when the (original) derivation of that epithet is pointed out to them, the reply is (always) ….. “Oh no, I didn’t mean that.”
And yet, they continue using those epithets, thinking that, in their minds, because they have now offered their (convenient) explanation, that makes it okay ….. because it’s what they believe.
That last phrase there ….. because it’s what they believe, say, isn’t that what they accuse us of, having one belief and not being willing to see the other point of view.
Pot meet kettle!
Tony.
POST SCRIPT – It would be nice to hear JFC’s reply too, but I guess he’s too busy looking for Britney Spears.
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Also, just another observation here, directly relating to what John says about why he has no respect for the TEA Party, and notice I capitalised it, because after all, it is originally an acronym, this one for Taxed Enough Already.
Notice how, without actually finding out what they really are on about, they implicitly believe exactly what the left has told them about what the TEA Party is.
This directly relates back to this Climate Change/Global Warming debate. They believe exactly what the left tells them about our side of this supposedly closed debate now.
That’s why (in the main) very few people actually believe what I have to say, mainly on electrical power generation of all sorts. They don’t believe it because the perception is that I’m only rabbiting on about what is the opposite to what the left says about it, so, without actually finding out, they then implicitly believe what the left says, and because that is the opposite of what I say, then I am the one who is not to be believed, because I’m supposedly pushing something from what they take as a Conservative point of view only.
So, all their perceptions are not based on finding out (or believing) the facts as I put them, but just believing they are wrong because I disagree politically with them.
Just because I don’t agree with what the left says about these matters does not make what I say wrong.
See now, how absolutely everything about all aspects of this debate has now been corrupted by politics. They will do absolutely anything to protect the money.
Tony.
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Seriously?
âTen Core Beliefs of the Modern-Day Tea Party Movementâ
So in their befuddled minds that somehow translates to opposing any revenue measures in the budget??
Wot, overnight? Go straight to recession, do not collect $200, do not pass Go.
Hmmm… is suspect deep seated bondage fantasy influence here being expressed in trying to tie the hands of the Govt??? Sometimes you do deficits people, sometime a surplus. Get some balance.
LoL! Hey, why not try out as a policy the concept of the Free Market doing things like.. say.. disaster relief?? Again, if they get a bit of balance in their lives they will be happier.
Meh. Abide by the Constitution or some right wing nut jobbie interpretation of it? I’ll have to do a bit more reading on this.
Cool, we can all agree on that.
Cool, but again Grasshopper, balance.
Yes….I to believe they are people, as against believing they are wot? Lifelike Inflatables??
They stop digging them!
Again balance. A significant takeaway from the 2012 US election should be for them to have something like the AEC as part of the Federal Govt. Stop it with the partisan farking around with voting days, district boundary’s, ID. Democracy is important, FUND IT!!
Really, as dot points the above makes the Tea Party look almost rational. Limited part of the story though. Hey for me, one of the proofs as to whether there is actually any connection to objective reality in the Tea Party will be if the Yanks can avoid their budget meltdown by negotiation. That would be an acknowledgement on both sides of the reality of the vote.
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Ahhh… the significance of the number ten has just dawned on me.
Republican arithmetic, or…. what can you count to with your shoes on. đ
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Thank you for saving me the trouble Catamon.
Americans have never liked taxation, and they did one very clever thing, which is to escape the clutches of the British, who would have kept them poor. America has done wonderful things, and I often think of Australia as the 51st state. But despite the success of the US, I don’t want to be like it. I haven’t seen enough countries 1st hand, but I’d like Australia to be a bit more like France. Mind you, I do like some American things, like Halloween and Thanksgiving – these are neat traditions that I’m happy to import. But I’d make Thanksgiving a celebration of friends, rather than family – we do that at Christmas.
And Tony, I do remember the Tea party from its early days, but really, it just reminds me of One Nation. Its a plea to return to a an imaginary perfection that never existed. Romanticism. Yesterday will never return – make a new and better world.
Of course, I’m not immune to romanticism. Mine is in the form of “We are the 99%”. But its just a fantasy. Sigh.
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“predicting what levels of RH were in the atmosphere”
Correction:
…predicting what levels of RH were in a few months of the year in a small altitude band in a small latitude band in one hemisphere of the atmosphere…
Can you spell “cherry pick”?
* to be precise: May-to-August relative humidity for a portion of the upper atmosphere between about 20,000 to 30,000 feet in height and between about 10° and 25° latitude south in the southern subtropics
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Here’s some real maths JFC and a simple graph. Might help you wake up to yourself perhaps?
The mitigation of AGW is the greatest fraud and con over the last 100 years.
http://www.eia.gov/forecasts/ieo/emissions.cfm
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Off Topic, but equally absurd as some of the quotes above. Listening to Rod Quinn on ABC Overnights, he had the hide to say Fox News is biased.
To quote Luke 4:23, Physician, heal thyself
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Fox News is biased! WTF? Next they’ll be saying that the sky is blue…
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Hi John,
Fox news may be biased, BoltA may be biased. My point was for someone on the ABC to accuse another media company of bias is outright hypocritical.
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Yeah, I know what your point was Bob. I just happen not to think like that.
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Johnny boy,
There fixed it for you.
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Very interesting Jo, I must spend some time reading more and keep Steve’s material at hand.
BTW I posted this at Jennifer Marohasy’s blog an hour ago. Our good old mate Karoly was lauded by the ABC over the last 48 hours on his new study.
Just a pity he’s wrong again.
I covered the history of Mildura temp and rainfall in the Sunraysia Daily many years ago. But the clueless Karoly âscientistâ still canât get it right. But does this fool ever get anything correct?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/overheating_in_mildura_detected/#commentsmore
Just another reason why the Bolter is worth reading every single day. He doesnât miss a trick.
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Karoly and the ABC! Both funded by the Australian taxpayer!
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Cohenite I hope you’re keeping up with the latest on the Gillard/Wilson slush fund scandal.
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/awu_scandal_labor_starts_to_fret/#commentsmore
The Bolter seems to be hinting that something extra is about to be exposed.
Perhaps a certain bloke or blokes may be ready to spill the beans? Gillard has already admitted in the 1995 interview that she couldn’t be sure some of the funds weren’t spent on her house renovations.
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Hi Neville; once Blewitt gives a statement to police they have to act; remember he maintains that Gillard was not present when he signed the Power of Attorney; if that is the case she could not have witnessed it.
Anyway, there is a mass of material; if any other politician or public figure had this stacked up against them they’d be hiding in Tim’s shed.
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Has Jennifer Marohasyâs blog moved? Her site hasn’t been updated since August. “Gone Fishing” is the posting I keep getting.
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Jen goes away periodically but the thread continues; feel free to go over there and get stuck into some issue.
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âWe must not dream,â wrote Le Bon, âas some have done, of allowing Socialism to attempt its object in order to prove its weakness, for Socialism would immediately give birth to Caesarism, which would promptly suppress all the institutions of democracy.â..Gustav LeBon in “Psychology of Socialism” 1898. These words, published by Le Bon in 1898, proved unerringly prophetic with the advent of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia 19 years later, as well as the National Socialist Revolution in Germany, 1933-34.
âA democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations has been 200 years.â
â Alexis de Tocqueville 1859
As the Bolter says, we are now witnessing an era of affinity, where the population dream in terms of entitlement rather than achievement.
The four horsemen of the Apocalypse are on the rise. [http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jack-sparrow/the-four-horsemen-ride-again]
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âWhen the taste for physical gratifications among them has grown more rapidly than their education . . . the time will come when men are carried away and lose all self-restraint . . . . It is not necessary to do violence to such a people in order to strip them of the rights they enjoy; they themselves willingly loosen their hold. . . . they neglect their chief business which is to remain their own masters.â
â Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America Volume 2
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The “C3” website has had a large number of quotes for quite a number of years that are relevant to the global warming / climate change meme.
As well there is a whole compedium of failed predictions, numerous charts and other climate relevant sections that are quite useful to a skeptic looking for counters to warmist / alarmist claims or to drag up another supposedly past and buried alarmist claim or quote that has been totally demolished.
Click through on “C3 Headlines” to find other sections of this quite useful site.
http://www.c3headlines.com/global-warming-quotes-climate-change-quotes.html
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Try this for a series of quotes – CSIRO government spokesman gets grant to further world governence agenda
âAfter the conference, CSIROâs Dr Smith told CSIRO interviewer Glen Paul more about his dreams for a supra-national UN council backed by the authority of the dictatorship-laden UN General Assembly.[20] The council would assemble some sort of âtriple helixâ as he put it, to combine economic, environmental and social engineering. This would lead to âa suite of universal sustainable development goalsâ, he said. CSIRO interviewer Paul then signed off, remarking that he too had just got a grant for a US study trip.â
Tony Thomas Quadrant 9/9/2012
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Go to the Australian Greens website and type ‘global governance’ into the search.
Google ‘deliberative global governance ANU’ and there it is again.
There is no conspiracy as such. It’s all there in creepy technicolour. Plenty of funding too.
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Marcus Aurelius 121 – 180
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Lank likes these paraprosdokiansâŚ.
Where there’s a will, Julia Gillardâs Government wants to be in it.
Do not argue with a climate alarmist idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some climate alarmists appear bright until you hear them speak.
If I agreed with Al Gore, we’d both be wrong.
War does not determine who is right – only who is left.
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fruit salad.
and Lank’s favouriteâŚ
The morning news begins with ‘Good morning,’ and then proceeds to tell you why it isn’t.
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Earth to Dr Bradley. Conventional liquids already peaked in 2006, and …
Peak Oil is about reaching a maximum extraction rate, not depleting the total quantity. Based on the above report it is possible that world Peak Oil has left the realm of theory and become a historic fact.
Oil has been consumed at a rate faster than it has been discovered for the last 30 years. Since there was no need to discover all the oil before consuming the first barrel, there will always be a “reserves horizon”, that’s okay. Hubbert’s original logistical observation was that the peak extraction rate was reached when approximately half the total recoverable quantity had been depleted, which is why knowing the total quantity has some bearing on predicting when the peak extraction rate is reached. The total amount is irrelevant, except to the extent it helps us predict the production peak.
The outlook ranges from dystopian to cornucopian, depending on who you believe.
http://trendlines.ca/free/peakoil/Scenarios/scenarios.htm
There is basically no way of knowing who is right. The ground truth of oil reserves is naturally obscured, and much of what is known is artificially kept secret.
According to the professional alarmists at ASPO, the decline will begin within 7 years.
In spite of the good doctor’s assurances, even the conservative consensus estimate of several models puts the peak before 2030, which is hardly “the wrong century”.
It’s not that alternatives are impossible, but to invent, improve, manufacture, scale up, and deploy an alternative to 600 million cars may take longer than the time remaining for the reserves horizon to be depleted. That’s the risk to civilisation.
Biofuel and CTL are some obvious stopgap measures to keep the fleet but fuel them with something that didn’t come from conventional oil. The EROEI ratio may be poor but anything is better than nothing and people will pay for it so these alternatives may still happen. Presumably the petrol companies will want to keep their business going for as long as possible so if anyone moves in the biofuel/CTL direction it will be them. The end is probably not in sight by Big Oil until you hear BP and ExxonMobil building a biofuel refinery.
Interesting that in the Economist article linked above BP admitted the 5 Mbpd crude shortfall in 2010 was compensated for by… CTL and biofuel… hmmm….
How’s `dem apples, cornucopians?
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Just realised the theme of today’s post is quotable quotes.
Not terribly quotable but germane to the above is this:
One of many deconstructions of this CAGW-inspired propaganda is by David Strahan and Steven Sorrel in the Energy Bulletin article “Monbiot peak oil u-turn based on bad science, worse maths”, which concludes:
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More paraprosdokians from Lank and his merry team âŚ.
To steal ideas from a climate skeptic is plagiarism. To steal from a climate alarmist is Government research.
A bus station is where a bus stops. A train station is where a train stops. On Tim Flanneryâs desk there is a work station.
Al Gore didn’t say it was our fault, he just said he was blaming us.
A clear conscience is the sign of a fuzzy memory.
You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.
Money can’t buy happiness, but it sure makes misery easier to live with.
There’s a fine line between cuddling and holding someone down so they can’t get away.
Climate alarmists used to be indecisive. Now theyâre not so sure.
Climate alarmists are never too old to learn something stupid.
Climate change is inevitable, except from a vending machine.
Believing in AGW doesnât make you a climate scientist any more than standing in a garage makes you a car.
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Meteorologist Joseph D’Aleo came up with this gem…
“If the atmosphere was a 100-story building, our annual anthropogenic CO2 contribution today would be equivalent to the linoleum on the first floor.”
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“All truth passes through three stages. First it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. And third it is accepted as being self-evident.”
Arthur Schopenhauer
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âFor how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?â
Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.
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This is hardly a quote but an interesting comparison with climate alarmism. Lank is sorry that he cannot remember the source so appologies in advance for copying….
‘London in the 1890s had 11,000 horse-drawn taxis and several thousand buses, each of which required 12 horses a day.
Add all the private carriages and the tens of thousands of horse-drawn carts, wagons and drays delivering goods, and there were at least 100,000 horses on the streets of London every day – each producing an average of 10kg of manure. Two thousand tonnes of manure a day.
There were flies everywhere, and if you didnât shovel the manure up quickly, it dried up and blew into your eyes, your hair, your nose, your clothes.
As the cities grew, even more horses were needed and the problem grew steadily worse.
One writer in the Times in 1894 estimated that in 50 years the streets of London would be buried under 3m of manure.â
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âThe world has been chilling sharply for about twenty years. If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder in the year 2000. This is about twice what it would take to put us into an ice age.â
Kenneth Watt (1970), Ecologist
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And another watt-if gem ….
âAt the present rate of nitrogen build-up, itâs only a matter of time before light will be filtered out of the atmosphere and none of our land will be usable.â
Kenneth Watt (1970), Ecologist
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One of my favourite quotes is from 2007 ABC news item…âTheyâre growing at about 30% or 40% more than plants exposed to ambient CO2âł
This is about a group of Sydney scientists who set up one of the largest climate change experiments in Australia. Theyâre trying to mimic conditions trees will face in the next 50 years. By housing trees in gigantic chambers with elevated CO2 levels, the scientists are hoping to measure how theyâll grow in their new environment.
They chose to use eucalypts in their experiments because Eucalyptus is the most important genus in Australia, and is probably most likely to be representative of how trees in Australia will respond to future climate change.
Some of the preliminary studies have indicated that the trees are responding positively⌠âTheyâre growing at about 30% or 40% more than plants exposed to ambient CO2âł http://www.abc.net.au/rn/scienceshow/stories/2007/2001966.htm
My questions five years later are – what happened to this experiment? why the silence? results not palatable? anybody know?
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I’m surprised they even bothered. Any idi
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I’m surprised they even bothered. Any idiot knows trees like CO2.
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Unfair dismissal?
Physicist Dr. Will Happer, who was reportedly fired by former Vice President Al Gore in 1993 for failing to adhere to Gore’s scientific views and who has published over 200 scientific papers, stated …..
“I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken”
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UofM’s David Karoly and a self proclaimed climate expert was quoted as saying (yesterday)….
“It gets more extreme in Mildura, and I mean most people in Mildura know, that yes it’s been getting hotter, it’s also been getting drier”
This is typical of the research funded by this crp government.
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9 Nov: Daily Mail: Gerri Peev: Department for hypocrisy: Energy and climate change ministers have spent ÂŁ1.5m on flights since Coalition came to power
Ministers and officials at the âgreenâ department for energy and climate change have clocked up a bill of over ÂŁ1.5 million for nearly 3,500 flights since the coalition came to power.
More than ten per cent of the flights – 362 – were business class but they made up over a third of a cost – ÂŁ600,000.
DECC shelled out for business class for 32 domestic flights to short-haul destinations such as Glasgow and even Manchester, both easily accessible by train.
The department spent ÂŁ250,000 on 1,228 domestic flights in two and a half years to destinations that are often easily reachable by train…
DECC has a headcount of 1,286 staff, which works out to three flights per employee…
A DECC spokesman said: âThe departmentâs international work, which includes securing the nationâs future energy supplies, carrying out negotiations with other countries and international organisations on energy and climate change issues, and regulating the North Sea oil and gas industry among other things, means that sometimes air travel is unavoidable.
He added: âAny such travel is for business purposes only, and we are careful to ensure that the most cost-effective and suitable flights are identified.
âThis Government has never said people who care about climate change must not fly: itâs not surprising that for some journeys, especially over very long distances when time is a factor, flying is the common sense option.â…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2230291/Climate-change-hypocrites-Department-Energy-spent-1-5m-flights-Coalition-came-power.html
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Was Mildura once a great civilization? or is it yet to see a decline? ……….
âIt gets more extreme in Mildura, and I mean most people in Mildura know, that yes itâs been getting hotter, itâs also been getting drierâ (D. Karoly, ABC, Friday)
One of the worldâs great civilisations was forced into terminal decline by successive dry periods culminating in a prolonged drought, according to a recent study that throws fresh light on the mysterious disappearance of the Maya in Central America around 1,100AD (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/revealed-climate-change-led-to-decline-of-maya-civilisation-8298232.html).
Too many lead-foot Mayans driving pick-ups there as well?
Would David Karoly have been able to help them out?
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Is this the great Milduran warming, or the Milduran epoch perhaps?
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“One dollar can save a lifeâthe opposite must also be true.”
One life can save a dollar?
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I spent about half an hour trying to figure out what Osbourne was saying and then gave up.
Maybe he’s saying that if the ability to work and earn money is withheld then the hundreds of millions of useless oxygen thieving emitters of CO2 will die. People who are just coming out of the stone age and would like to be able to use machinery rather than picks and shovels.
It’s a wonderful thing that we have had and have so many brutal tyrants. Without them the ice caps would surely have melted already.
(sarc… just in case…)
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The opposite would be…
“Taking one dollar away can kill a life”.
If you are making $2 per day and your income goes to $1 per day – you start eating mud just to avoid feeling hungry all the time.
Green schemes are literally murderous on those who are already vulnerable, but you will never hear that from the green apologists who are always telling us (through implication) what moral geniuses they are for “saving the planet”.
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Of course… but Osbourne doesn’t want to say that to take a dollar from a person may kill them. He wants to present it as a dilemma so that the average idiot will feel smart by providing the politically correct answer that they think they have thought of by themself.
It’s the boring old supposed dilemma of the life of the fat man versus the lives of ten children. It assumes that you are the average idiot’s idea of a do-gooder and also that you have knowledge that you can’t possibly possess except by some kind of blessing.
Urghhh…
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I liked it this time when the guys at realclimate implied that an 800 year delay wasn’t all that significant on the grounds that “you can barely see it on the graph.” It wasn’t just one of these people. It was a jointly written article.
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A good many of those quotes are examples foreploy. Any statement regarding climate that has been crafted for the sole purpose of supporting an otherwise absurd agenda is a foreploy that concludes with a climasm. A climasm is that brief sense of satisfaction you get when you believe your pointless effort amounts to something important.
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To a pervert such as Suzuki it feels good for a little while. He knows that he is twisted but he knows from experience that the clamour from the blockheads will assuage his guilt. He’s just one example of a serial prick.
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Slathered over by a voice rife with arching tones, the sincerity of a hand crafted young adult mind, and most surely accompanied by knitted brows, this site legitimizes the notion of the climasm* both by name and speech.
http://www.climas.arizona.edu/
Who knew it could be hot in a desert? I am stunned by the very suggestion of it.
*The nearest thing to a synonym of climasm spills out of the family of words that includes “smug”.
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“Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, [but] they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.” Charles MacKay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, 1841
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To those who have been brainwashed against the Tea Party, one day all western democracies will need a Tea Party and it could be that that day has arrived. Only the problem today is that the Tea Party has been demonised as much as the carbon atom hasbeen demonised.
The carbon atom is the building block of all life on this planet and the left/globalist/crony capitalist machine oiled by the enemies of the true free enterprise spirit, have managed to declare the carbon atom as the world’s number one enemy.
Who needs a Tea Party? All of us. Let’s built a global one. Maybe we would be able to save the planet from the pseudo ‘planet-savers’ themselves
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Oh goody. Please explain what the Tea Party stands for.
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Freedom from Big Governments so much loved by the socialists.
I’ve just submitted this quote: Socialism and the creation of wealth can never exist simultaneously at the same place at the same time anywhere in the world. That is, socialism and the creation of wealth are mutually exclusive. The Tea Party is for small pro-free enterprise governments that had made europe and the US great. Now, the buzz word is: Fiscal Cliff. You had been warned.
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Hang on a second, members of the Tea Party receiver a HIGHER proportion of government hand outs!
It seems that what they are actually against is government hand outs for OTHERS!
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Adam, do cite some support for that… is that one of those studies which counts a tax deduction as “government support”? — Jo
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[Socialism and the creation of wealth can never exist simultaneously at the same place at the same time anywhere in the world.]
Depends a bit on how you define Socialism, but in general i’d call bullsh#t on that Statement.
Hmmm.. maybe thats the problem with the US. Too many people with paranoid definitions of what Socialism is?
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If you actually READ the comments John, instead of simply scanning them for a suitable place to dive-bomb in one of your witless “spacer” irrelevancies, you’d know Llew Jones posted the ten tenets of the Tea Party YESTERDAY, in the above thread.
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Yup, he posted some generic dot points. That’s what the TEA part means then?
LoL!
Wot do we want!
Generic dot-points to give a thin patina of apparent meaning to our formless indignation!!
When do we want them!
Now!
đ
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Fair crack of the whip MV. Those descriptions of the tea baggers weren’t there when I posted, so I could hardly have read them. But having done so now, they are just as laughable as I thought they would be.
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“Socialism and the creation of wealth can never exist simultaneously at the same place at the same time anywhere in the world.”
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Utter rubbish. All societies are socialist to some extent. There is no doubt in my mind that wealth creation is less in a society that is too socialist. But a society that is not socialist at all would be hell.
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So, when we elect a left wing government we see less government debt, lower taxes and balanced budgets?
I think you should define socialist, or is it one of those names like “global warming” that can mean whatever you want it to mean at the time you used it?
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To date, I think my favourite quote comes from Phil Jones in climate-gate email #2621:
– “I recall giving lectures in the past when there would be one person who would disagree
with something or all I said in an invited talk. The internet has allowed all these people
to find one another unfortunately.”
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“It is exciting to have a real crisis on your hands, when you have spent half your political life dealing with humdrum issues like the environment.”
Margaret Thatcher, 14 May 1982, on the Falklands campaign.
Colleen and I were in the USA on work travel then. When USA people asked us where our accents come from, we replied “Argentinia”. It was fun to see the reaction. Went on to a wedding anniversary in Uranium City, Saskatchewan, and met a tribe of drunken Indians who wanted to be friends, but next night in Toronto we met real friends, the drunken overflow from a psychiatry congress, whose members, among other feats, psychoanalysed our cats across continents.
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Which one is your favourite? Put this one under the category of “Awards”…
– Nobel Committee Press Release for 2007 Nobel Peace Prize
What this paragraph is saying is that:- Global Warming may be real, which may adversely effect the planet, which may result in large scale human migration, which may result in resource wars. Therefore Al Gore gets the Peace Prize for stopping a future war… maybe!
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Please leave David Suzuki out of it. He is still the preeminent environmental voice in Canada, the CBC still worships his every word and the public believes everything he says. And as far as I can tell there is no replacement for him waiting in the wings, he will continue to spout his alarmist nonsense for years to come. Its almost too much for me to bear.
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You forgot Michio Kaku, who’s head somehow gets into every good documentary just to spoil it.
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Jawdropping! What do they want instead – candles..? Sounds like that would be more than they deserve. Let’s see if they could type something green and whining on their laptops while they pedal a 12V generator..
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