How is Doha going? (Where was that, again?)
The Indians have gone home, The Chinese are being told off. Nobody else is very interested, except developing nations looking for a handout. The Australians already agreed to everything whatever it is. (Great negotiation ploy by our Labor Government that.) The EU wants to do what it’s already doing.
Mike Haseler at the Scottish Climate and Energy Forum says it’s all over, bar the shouting. Kyoto ends on December 31, and there is no treaty to replace it, and there can be no ratified treaty by Jan 1.
“Contrary to what many green NGOs are saying, the Kyoto commitment to CO2 reduction will cease effect on the 31st December. This is because the treaty requires amendments to be ratified well before they come into effect (by 3rd October). It took some 4 years for a quorum of countries to ratify Kyoto. Even if there were total agreement at Doha on any amendment (there isn’t) the earliest change to Kyoto is 2015. Without agreement the earliest if there were agreement at the end of next year is that a change to the Kyoto Commitment could come into force in 2016. “
Tory Aardvark agrees: “The Kyoto Protocol ends on December 31st and the list of countries signing up for Commitment Period 2 (CP2) will not include Canada, Japan and New Zealand“. The USA has said there is no chance they will sign up. And Russia who said they won’t be signing up for Kyoto II a year ago, cynically made vague promises about a 25% emissions cut in June this year, but is backing away from that now.
Practically the only nation on Earth outside the EU and EFTA that wants in, is Australia. Joy.
But the shouting goes on
In the end the activist scientists, bureaucrats and Green NGO’s win even when there is no global agreement. As long as there is a two week mega-junket every year funded by the taxpayer, many of them and their friends enjoy a red carpet ride that few others will get. The rent-seekers get staff, PR agencies, interviews, media-time and reward trips. For renewable investors and carbon traders, someone else pays for media releases that could ultimately boost their investments and pressure governments into continuing the subsidies that their profits depend upon.
The COPs should be stopped.
There is no reason to keep funding a conference that’s proven to be such a failure at making scientific advances or at representing the people who pay for it.
Read Mike’s 6 point list as to why the EU can’t change anything and needs someone else to swing along.
In other words, the EU is trying to fabricate a treaty to basically say it will do what it is already doing. It will then ask EU countries to commit to what they have committed. etc. A complete waste of time and money.
The EU is closely linked to the European Free Trade Association (EFTA). Of the countries above, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Switzerland are all part of EFTA. Croatia is due to join the EU in 2013.
And Ukraine. Wikipedia: “The European Union (EU) is seeking an increasingly close relationship with Ukraine, going beyond cooperation, to gradual economic integration….
In other words this is an agreement within the EU/EFTA block with Ukraine and Australia. Which only begs the question: “When is Australia scheduled to join the EU?”
One good thing that might come out of the global economic down-turn is the cutting off of government funding for green ngo’s.
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Well, it’s only fair. After all, they helped cause it.
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Yeah, all that sub prime housing they built. Hang on, wasn’t that rapacious banks?
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No John, it was an initiative of the US Democrats to enshrine the right of home ownership on those who could not afford to pay a mortgage … the banksters encouraged by these same socialist twits stapled that debt to debt raisings all over the world including us. The US democrats exported their debt to the world, we paid for it in our mortgages right here in Australia.
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Yep, Fanny Mae and Freddie Mac
The legislation for these two mortgage brokers (who hold 50% of the US mortgage market) actually forbids the lender from assessing the borrower’s capacity to repay
When mid-size banks refused wholesale loans to these lefty brokers on the grounds that the loans couldn’t be serviced (a fairly standard precaution for a bank), they were successfully sued on the grounds of racial discrimination
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You are correct Streetcred that’s exactly what it was … Obama using his community organizer skills (ACORN) to drum up attacks on the banks if they did not provide loans to those who could not afford to repay.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/the_financial_mess_how_we_got.html
“In the short run, all sorts of money was to be made by lowering standards and processing sub-prime loans for the poor. The Wall Street Journal raised concerns about Fannie’s and Freddie’s capital requirements. Senator Phil Gramm (R, TX) raised issues about community pressure groups, such as Barack Obama’s ACORN, extorting money from banks by holding their feet to the CRA fire, and threatening to militate against mergers and acquisitions unless the banks entered into preferential agreements with community groups.”
Poor John. he really, truly does want to believe that Capitalism is to blame so he can shove Socialism (aka Progressiveism) down our throats.
John, this book covers off on Obama’s nastiness quite well … read it, then get back to me ..
http://www.amazon.com/Subversion-Inc-Terrorizing-American-Taxpayers/dp/B006J3XCPM/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1354772548&sr=8-2-fkmr0&keywords=matthew+vader+acorn
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You mean Socialist Democrat housing for the poor who could not afford even cheap loans, and no regulation to stop the loan sharks from moving in on their victims who were struggling with a mortgage talking them into selling and moving to a new unaffordable mortgage until the victim was bankrupt. And the on selling of mortgages or toxic debt resulting in a financial crisis. Socialist justice for the low paid.
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No, we mean this, you dill:
“The legislation for these two mortgage brokers (who hold 50% of the US mortgage market) actually forbids the lender from assessing the borrower’s capacity to repay
When mid-size banks refused wholesale loans to these lefty brokers on the grounds that the loans couldn’t be serviced (a fairly standard precaution for a bank), they were successfully sued on the grounds of racial discrimination”
Or is that banks have to give depositor’s savings away, do you think ?
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I suspect that the likely outcome for the global economy will be the collapse of the current fiat currency regime.
During the process of collapse of the current fiat currency regime (due to unpayable bad debts, supported by inadequate collateral being monetised by central banks, fatal inherent, structural flaws), many of the NGOs will suffer as the purchasing power of their budgets (which may well increase in nominal terms…) collapses.
The market reversion will be a real mess for anyone who is not prepared for the transition from the current fiat currency regime to the next (?) currency regime.
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EEeerrrr, BlokDownThePub, not likely.
Have you seen the proposed cuts to the health budget?
Defense? Next will be education, transport roads, and infrastricture went a long time ago.
The assets that drive an economy and provide increasing quality of life productivity are and will be ignored.
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You have got to have more faith in your government. After all, they know what’s best for you.
They know it is good to pour huge amounts of funding into unaccountable NGOs. You have to remember, the people who run these NGOs, especially those concerned with climate change, are very important and are entitled to their very comfortable lifestyles. The fact these people do nothing useful is absolutely none of your concern.
Spewing out foreign aid is another excellent example of governments doing good work with your tax dollars; you have to think of this in terms of the number of people this allows to live in very comfortable lifestyles.
1. First there are the bureaucrats at home who process where the funds will be going; this is an important source of employment.
2. Then there are the bureaucrats who process the funds when they receive them, a very important source of employment in the recipient countries, and/or the United Nations, and/or the European Union.
3. Then they are the agents who handle the distribution of the funds, they have to be paid.
4. Then there are the experts, who the agents and the bureaucracies believe they have to consult on how best to distribute/spend the money.
5. Then there are the political leaders of the countries who receive the funds, they rightly deserve their cut.
6. Then there are the paybacks to the agents and politicians from the people who finally get to spend the funds.
7. The remaining funds, if there any, are then usually used to band aid a problem, almost guaranteed to become several times worse in one or two generations time.
The point is this: Being seen to be “saving the world” is a political addiction. All over the western world it is the same; as for the Asians they look at us and laugh at our stupidity, then go and spend their money on much wiser stuff.
We all have to pay for the politicians’ addiction for “saving the world” and the benefits derived by us are absolutely zero, but the politicians think they know best and believe we should trust their judgement.
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So many countries attending and not one of them claiming AGW a hoax. Funny that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change#Statements_by_organizations
Must be a global conspiracy!!
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Funny what money can do to people!
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Nice One
Are you Bill Shorten?
I agree with what IPCC said!
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Of course it’s a global conspiracy you moron.
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Sonny I wish you wouldn’t call Nice One a moron.
Us morons have got standards you know. 🙂
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They weren’t invited.
P.S. Hoax is your choice of words……
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To be a conspiracy it would have to secret.
Which it isn’t.
Anyway, why assume conspiracy when there is so much incompetence to point too.
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Oh you’re far too trusting.
It escalates to conspiracy when you discover:
A) The solution of off-balance-sheet carbon tax transactions redistributing money to a Rothschild-controlled World Conservation Bank was proposed by Edmund de Rothschild in Denver about 15 years before Ocean Heat Content measurements had even started, only 8 years after global satellite measurements had started, and a whole four years before the Rio summit had agreed there was even a problem to solve.
B) The numerous incontrovertible examples of scientific “incompetence” (at NASA, NCAR, NCDC, UEA, PSU, IPCC, Labor propaganda, BoM, NIWA, etc) go both unpunished and uncorrected long after they are brought to light.
C) The carbon floor price that supposedly was going to make renewables competitive gets scrapped so even the alleged benefit of “Clean Energy” is shown to be a diversion from the true aim of the CEF legislation which was (explicitly in three numbered sections of the bill) to create an unregulated market in carbon emissions derivatives mainly for the benefit of UNEP and Goldman Sachs in Australia and the EU.
Any one of these facts would point to conspiracy or at the very least corruption, but all three make a slam dunk.
No need to assume it’s a conspiracy when concluding it’s a conspiracy is as easy as knowing your ABCs and joining the dots.
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Hi Andrew,
A) – I wasn’t aware of this one – do you have a link?
B) Entrenched incompetence does not require a conspiracy to explain it – iaw Occams Razor I will choose the simpler solution – which is cultural decay and incompetance, for example science as practiced by alarmists is bastardised and involves the rejection of falsificationism – hence the descent into superstition and dogma.
C) – I wasn’t aware of this one – do you have a link?
WRT Conspiracies in general – any successful conspiracy is by nature secret – and no one outside of the group of conspirators will know about it. If operational secrecy gets blown, and the conspiracy is revealed, it is completed at that point (either as a success or a failure depending on whether the objectives were met or not).
What gets called a conspiracy these days are more commonly simply political agendas, business agendas, etc…
For example the UN’s “Agenda 21” is a simple political/business agenda to entrench and expand political power and UN funding streams – it’s not secret, it’s not a conspiracy. It’s the lack of effective, penetrating MSM analysis and coverage that gives the “air of secrecy” to these agendas that gives them the appearance of conspiracies.
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I just knew someone would ask for evidence. I sure would. I would be concerned if nobody here did!
A) Carbon Taxes Planned to be sent to a Rothschild-controlled World Conservation Bank??
Here is the eyewitness testimony originally recorded in 1992 by world wilderness conference attendee George Hunt. The first relevant portion is 7:34 through 10:55, which includes an audio recording of Edmund de Rothschild at the meeting saying that stable sustainable economic development would require “a second worldwide Marshall Plan”. Hunt says [at 19:43] that the world wilderness conferences were *created* by de Rothschild. Listen also to the section 33:00 to 34:45 in which the banker says a World Conservation Banking Programme should be established, and that the conference *must* incorporate into its charter the task of:
Yes an audio recording of the banker himself, at the wilderness conference meeting he created, telling the national delegates that every person and business in the world should send money to a world bank set up ostensibly for buying large tracts of land and rebuilding 3rd world countries sustainably – a world Marshall Plan by a different name.
I have no firm evidence that the bank in question would be Rothschild controlled, but it would be strange for the Rothschild who invented the idea and set up the whole forum to tell the nations of the world to send it to somebody else’s bank, don’t you think? Edmund died just a few years later but this particular Rothschild clan have been in banking since the Napoleonic wars, so you’d better believe someone else will carry on the family business.
While I tied it all to Rothschild earlier, it is unsurprising his statements match nicely with Maurice Strong (head of UNEP at the time) saying at the Rio summit
My only mistake there; it was Strong who said the wealth redistribution would be off-balance-sheet, but of course an off-balance-sheet (ie non budgetary) transfer would also be tax-free by definition, wouldn’t it? A chance co-incidence in meaning between the two friends, or something more?
Mind you the more important aspect of point A) is not whether bankers were behind it from the beginning but that a banking solution had been proposed before it was even possible scientifically to show there was a problem. To intentionally put the cart before the horse on such a massive scale I think requires conspiracy. Which leads to…
B) Scientific Errors and Fraud going unpunished, tolerated, uncorrected, and whitewashed is all evidence of conspiracy??
OK so you know all the cases I’m alluding to then. Well Occam is fine and dandy, but I still reckon you’re choosing to disregard the plausibility of conspiracy. I won’t repeat myself there, however… Admittedly, aside from selective hiring, protection, and secret bribery, I don’t see how bankers could directly prop up global warming scientifically. That is a long bow to draw even for me. Direct corruption would be discovered too easily. So that part is a funding body conspiracy of groupthink motivated by government self-interest who stand to gain a slice of tax revenue and more regulatory powers. Sorry, make that present tense, DID gain a slice of tax revenue and regulatory powers. Which leads to…
C) Clean Energy Future Bill contains banking provisions that have nothing to do with the environment or energy??
You want links to this? Of course my good fellow, this is the easiest to prove of them all. They are sections 109A, 110, and explanatory memo 3.36, as revealed by the proprietor of BarnabyIsRight.com in this post, which is based on a faithful transcription of the Clean Energy Act 2011. Surely these carbon derivatives instruments would be non-budgetary and tax-free because they are unregulated? The compatibility with Rothschild’s 1987 statement is, of course, merely a co-incidence, nothing to see here.
As an aside, you remark…
I would be wary of “defining away” conspiracy theories by saying that any conspiracy that is discovered is immediately (and retroactively??) no longer a conspiracy. The Bilderberg meetings are a good example of a conspiracy in which the conspiring is no longer secret but the conspiracy itself is still secret because the true purpose and words spoken there are not recorded. Would there be any use in saying the Bilderberg meetings are not a conspiracy simply because we know they still occur? Similarly with Agenda 21, the methods are publicised, but it’s a matter of opinion as to whether you believe the ostensible purpose behind them. You will not see anywhere in the A21 web site the stated purpose of “entrench and expand political power and UN funding streams” nor any words to that effect, but since you believe that is its true purpose then you have implicitly theorised that A21 is a conspiracy.
I cheekily suggest you believe in conspiracy theories, but that you want to redefine “conspiracy” so that you can avoid the stigma typically hurled at people who are aware of proven historic conspiracies and who theorise that conspiracy still occurs today in areas of concentrated wealth and power typically for expanding both. I’ll begrudgingly admit this is a more pragmatic tactic for avoiding abuse than trying to educate the masses all at once.
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Nice one, Nice one!
The IPCC seem to rule the planet these days…
They weren’t invited 🙂
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“So many countries attending and not one of them claiming AGW a hoax”
That has to be the most stupid thing even you have ever said !!! (and you have said some monumentally stupid things)
They are all there to see what’s in it for them……………………….do… you….understand ???????
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Nice one is the one in the mask.
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But there was one good report from a lady (female) reporter from the British Telegraph’s Louise grey about Doha…………………….
A source close to the UK negotiating team said the money announced in Doha was designed to encourage the rest of the world to come forward with climate change aid, especially in Europe. “Basically we are saying to the French: we have upped our contribution, now up yours.”
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What an utterly bizarre fantasy this whole AGW thing is now quite plain to see and the rent seekers, apparatchiks and Eco Kool Aid ( Eko Aid?) drinkers are scurrying about in utter desperation trying to keep their lead ballon in the air.
What is also plainer and plainer to more and more people is that the AGW advocates of our society are the dimwits and educated idiots for whom a university degree was always just a ticket into a cushy job.
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And they will click the red button to prove it.
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Lead balloon – a good term – I like it.
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When Eric Clapton left “The Yardbirds”, commentators said they would go down like a lead balloon.
“The Yardbirds” then renamed themselves “Led Zepplin”
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So without Kyoto does this mean one of the most energy efficient industrialiesd economies (Japan) won’t be buying carbon credits from a very inefficient eastern European ones (Ukraine)? Does it mean 43% of the carbon credits won’t go to purchase the destruction of refrigerant bi-products from China and India? Will fewer tropical rain forests be converted to palm oil plantations? Will fewer energy intensive industrial jobs be exported from developed western nations to “developing” ones like China where environmental standards are lax or nonexistent? Will we stop paying higher prices for food because of the diversion of agricultural commodities to the energy sector? You would hope the answer to all these questions could be yes but the legacy of green myopia will linger for quite some time.
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Stupidity is expensive.
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Makes for a HAPPY NEW YEAR.
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“Which only begs the question: “When is Australia scheduled to join the EU?”
Australia is already contributing $7Billion dollars to the EU to FUND the CUT in the state retirement age from 62 to 60 in France, after increasing the Australian retirement age (65 – 67 men, 60-65 women) by GreenLaboUr.
Thanks GreenLaboUr.
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But if your looking for green government stupidity & grade A renewable gold plated cognitive dissonance, check this:
G.E’s first wind farm for ‘renewable’ energy at Mumbida, WA.
* We have the turbo section coming from Malaysia.
** We have the blades coming from Santos in Brazil and the whole turbine section coming from Salzburg in Germany.
Look at all that fossil fuel burnt for a cleaner, greener future.
Bonus:
Check the bird & bat slicing ‘cutting edge’ blades @1.28.
That’s a G.E. innovation!
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That’s environmental madness on steroids.
All to make NO difference to our planet’s climate, or weather. Anywhere.
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I’m prety sure those spikes on the blades were on the trailing edge, not the leading edge. To create little vorticies, like the features of a bird.
Someone once said “6:9But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.”
Surely money is a powerful aphrodisiac and a strong drink.
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Thanks handjive. That’s the first time I’ve seen the components of these monsters unloaded from ships and put on to trucks. It gives an idea of how enormous the towers are. How much fossil fuel has been used to put this wind “plant” together? Heaps! When will it “pay for itself” in reduced emissions? Never! Not that emissions matter anyway.
GE admits that there is a noise problem! The supervisor from England says the “cutting edge blades (now with sharp teeth) reduce the noise”.
All the people doing the advertisement for GE look anything but convinced of its usefulness to the environment. It’s just their job. The land owner is the big winner of course!
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DOHA, Qatar (AP) — Rich countries are to blame for climate change and should take the lead in forging a global climate pact by 2015, a deadline that “must be met,” the head of the United Nations said Wednesday.
Sounds like an ultimatum to me.
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Yes Tim the sooner we leave the UN the better.Now that the 150 poor countries think they have a way of relieving the 40 rich countries of their money.
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It is.
Now what are we going to do about it, talk or get organized and fight?
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We need a new party at the next federal election.
The “Get Out Of The United Nations” Party.
Apart from the Climate Warming shambles and ripoffs the UN has done Nothing to stop the continuing mass murder of innocent populations around the world.
Hundreds of thousands dead over the last twenty years while the UN indulged itself with Global Warming parties.
Humanity is better off without them; parasites all.
KK
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My suggestion would be simply a Conservative Party.
It may be hard to get some people to understand that word but I think in the end that’s the right position and you might as well call yourselves what you really are.
On the other side of that coin, new parties take voters from existing ones and run the risk of spoiling the chances of the party that would have been the best choice if put in power.
Welcome to reality.
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Roy, I don’t have a clue about how parties function outside the US. Here at the local level, they are democracy. Our problem today is that the national parties usurp democracy and turn it into autocracy. Romney wouldn’t have won the nomination but for the national party bureaucrats. Once they got him through they dropped every ball and caused the big loss against a very vulnerable (since Carter) candidate. The national Republican party IS the problem. They may as well be Democrats (and perhaps are).
We don’t need a new party, we need to clean house and take back the party we have.
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You are, of course, quite right. And now that we’ve solved the what, we need to solve the how. Any ideas?
PS: I suspect that political parties in Australia operate much like they do here. One face is making big promises to the public while the other face is making big deals in a smoke filled back room. The two are always disjoint sets of course.
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Rich countries? Which are these? Can Bonky-Moon listthem for us? Let me try:
USA 16 trillion dollars in debt and rising to 24 trillion in 4 year’s time.
The EU is a union of beggars, lending money to each other.
Hence these are definitely not rich.
China? Yes, its the richest country in the world. Solution found. Tell China to pay up by 2015.
Q.E.D.
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Good perspective Alex.
KK 🙂
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You should never negotiate with terrorists.
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If we hold the same definition of “terrorist” I disagree.
It is perfectly reasonable to negotiate the terms of their funeral arrangements .
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I know. That is why Obama should not talk to the Republicans.
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You’re so FOS !
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Obama is in bed with the Republicans – he’s definitely got a Boehner on his team.
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Viagra right?
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Not so funny, amongst those ‘poor’ countries how many of them are subverted by mega-rich despots who weren’t that mega-rich to begin with ? Can one of the despot lefties name just one of those countries not subverted by a mega-rich despot? How many of the global NGOs are in bed with these despots to milk the generosity of the West ?
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First the IPCC will be disbanded. The science “is settled” you see, so there is no further need for Assessment Reports.
Second, these COP meetings will essentially be a yearly gathering for enviro groups and NGOs only with the UN supplying the organizational support. No senior government ministers will bother attending in a few years.
The whole AGW scam will quietly fade away over numerous years. Only the enviro zealots will make a noise about it from time to time especially during extreme weather events.
The renewable energy sector will see its subsidies wind down gradually over many many years to once again become a niche market with some small groups still researching hoping to make their fame and fortune (to no avail).
Nobody will say they were wrong, nobody will apologise for wasting billions and setting humanity back a half a century and nobody will go to jail.
Scumbags like Al Gore, James Hansen, Tim Flannery, James Strong and thousands of other rent seeking pigs who’ve made fortunes and fame will keep their fortunes but quietly fade into history books.
Sorry to say, none of us reasoned sceptics will get any public recognition, but we will always have that knowing self-satisfaction.
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Also sorry to have to say that all the money grabbing regulation and restriction apparatus will stay in place forever, running on autopilot as bureaucracies always do.
If this stuff is not destroyed it will soon not need anything left around to justify it. No legislative or rule making body in the world ever looks back and asks what can be eliminated. They can’t even come close to that part of their responsibility.
Doha may have died from neglect but the UN and its allies have not.
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Hi Biter
You are absolutely right there.
We also need another party for the 2013 election:
The “Global Warming Decommissioning” Party.
KK
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A marker will be when Windmills reach end of life 920 – 25 years) and need to be replaced.
By then, other “issues” will be deemed more important, and the windmills will just sit, silent reminders for future generations of the madness that has gripped our culture over the last few decades.
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(20 – 25 years)…
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I reckon you are well over-estimating. !! Some of them might last that long. maybe, but not many !
Then who bears the cost of ripping the ugly murdering monstrousities down ??
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(Yeah I know – 20 to 25 is optimistic…. like the name plate capacity…)
Local Councils…(Hence Rate Payers)
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Yeah Bah. No one will say they were wrong. Rather because they will end up being proved right. The only risk they have is saying, “I told you so”.
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Still going with the “We can predict the future” even though every prediction we have made has been wrong meme…
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This feeble outcome explains Combet’s demeanour in the “She’ll be right mate” propaganda interviews on the ABC on Monday night.
Those Australian “negotiators” certainly get top marks for commitment. France can breathe a well-deserved sigh of relief now that the Australians have become the new “surrender monkeys” of the 21st century. 😉
Unless, of course, the decisions of the few do not represent the will of the many…
…nor even the facts.
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Another cliff!
We go over the Environmental Cliff on 31 December!
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Nah, that will never happen because the world will end on 21 December.
I always knew the world as we know it would end by natural resource depletion, but I never guessed that the resource would be spare blank stone on the periphery of a Mayan calendar wheel… 😉
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I want to know how come it’s always on the winter or summer solstice that these things are supposed to happen. Why not February 29 for instance? 😉
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BB,
I fear they may line up with when research funding reviews occur and performance appraisal time.
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Performance appraisal for the ancient Mayans was kinda strict…
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Good point MadJak. 🙂
Unfortunately the performance appraisal part doesn’t manifest itself. Or maybe it only happens on February 30? 😉 🙁 🙂
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Thats when natural cycles reverse, naturally. Winter begins heading back towards Summer, as the days start getting longer.
That comes from our tilt w.r.t our orbit round the Sun.
If enough of such reversals coincide, then suppose the idea, taken to its illogical conclusion is that everything could go into reverse, the World and everything in the Universe could start spinning backwards, and we could start back back through the whole sorry AGW scare in reverse.
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No, please, Joe, forward has been bad enough. 🙂
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Andrew McRae:
bad news. The starting date of the Mayan great cycle isn’t known within 400 years, so the World may have ended anytime in the last 200 years, without people realising it.
Actually it is the third cycle, implying that there would be another one. But those who are getting upset about it don’t reason that way. I wonder if Looney Lewy will do a study linking belief in the coming end of the world with a belief in CO2 controlling the climate?
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I bow to your superior knowledge of the subject.
For my own part I have been quite content to treat the Mayan 2012 Prophecy with the same rigor as the Hansenism 2050 Prophecy and the Sky Dragon Slayer 2012 NonProphecies: I place no value on cultivating an exacting and exquisite understanding of nonsenses.
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Mother Shipton….”And the world to an end shall come, in nineteen hundred and eighty one'”!!
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I’m beginning to believe it did……
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Graeme No3:
That explains the last australian election.
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Ah well.. end of the world has official status now. 🙂
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Kevin Rudd – the Zombie that Guilleard forgot to doubletap.
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26 days from now, as the clock ticks past Midnight into the New Year, you won’t hear it, but there will be muffled cheers from all the major World Governments, celebrating in private.
You see, The Kyoto Protocol will have expired, and funnily enough, there’s nothing to replace it.
So then, why will they be cheering?
Kyoto called for every signatory to reduce their emissions to a level 5% lower than 1990 levels. No Country has achieved this, and with Kyoto expired, they are not bound to that figure any more.
Kyoto also called for the 23 Countries culled from the 40 Annex One Countries, those already Developed Countries, to reduce their emissions with their own money, introduce renewable power to replace CO2 emitting power generation, and to set up an ETS/Carbon pricing mechanism, and from that, divert money (lots and lots of it) to the UN for distribution according to those ten fateful words:
So, then, why the cheering from those 23 Developed Countries?
Back at COP3 of the UNFCCC in Kyoto Japan, in 1997, no one, and I repeat, no one in those Governments had any idea of the humungous scale of how much money would be involved in placing that price on those CO2 emissions and also those other 23 named gases, all valued at multipliers of CO2.
Now, those Governments are fully aware of just how huge the money involved with just CO2 and those gases amounts to.
You see, now with Kyoto expired, they are not really bound to send the vast bulk of it off to the UN for redistribution. They can, in effect keep all that yummy lolly all for themselves, perhaps send some of it off to them, but when you’re talking lots of Billions what’s a billion here and there if they get to keep the bulk of it to enhance their own Government’s bottom line or, umm, distribute some largesse for, say, an approaching election.
Even when Kevin, immediately following his election, and with a flourish as camera flash bulbs popped, added that all important second signature on behalf of Australia at COP 13 at Bali in 2007, even then, they weren’t aware of how much money CO2 was going to raise.
Say, remember COP15 at Copenhagen. Penny Wong, erstwhile Minister for Climate Change and a government cast of thousands went to Copenhagen, along with Kevin, who joined later as all the World’s leaders tried to thrash out a replacement for Kyoto, and failed so utterly, and so miserably.
Now, here we are at Doha for COP18. Not one World leader has bothered to front up. For heaven’s sake, not even Greg Combet went there, and he’s the bloody Minister for Climate Change.
No, they didn’t show, because they’re all at home, waiting for January 1 2013, the day after Kyoto expired.
Julia is back here in Oz, learning how to walk and
chew gumtalk.The Bollinger is on ice. The corks pop in unison as that midnight hour passes, from the date line and back around to the date line. One continuous cheer.
Yippee! It’s all ours.
Say, Kyoto was supposed to be really important in the U.S. and even though it was Clinton and Gore who failed to get it up in the U.S. and in fact failed to the tune of 95-0 in the Senate, not even one Democrat vote to appease BillyJeff and the Goracle, no, even though it failed under them, dear old George W got the blame instead for not ratifying it with that second signature for the U.S. So, President Obama has had 4 years to add that second signature, and ….. hey look over there, isn’t that Britney Spears?
No, the Australian people will get serious looking platitudes from Combet et al, but behind the scenes, the Bolly is on the ice.
I can see the discussion now around the esky.
Greg Combet – Ah Julia, isn’t it wonderful that Kyoto has expired.
Julia – Pity! I always thought Roy and HG did a wonderful job with those Winter Olympics.
Greg Combet – Umm, I think that was Nagano, Julia
Julia – Are you sure?
Voice in the background, (Bill Shorten) Greg, whatever Julia, says I agree with.
Tony.
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I was listening to this interview with Michael Kile and at the start of it he speculates that carbon trading may collapse with the end of Kyoto Protocol.
http://www.2gb.com/audioplayer/6280
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China says that because the world’s developed countries such as the US have emitted an historically higher percentage of total carbon emissions since industrialisation, the US should be made to make massive reductions while China should not have to reduce total emissions. China only plan to reduce emission ‘intensity’. That’s total emissions per economic output, while planning to increase economic output and therefore emissions.
But what China conveniently forgets is that it is using the technology which was designed and developed mainly in the developed countries such as the US. China would not be where they are today, without those developed countries’ past carbon emissions. They are therefore enjoying equally the ‘spoils’ of the emissions which have gone before.
The fact that China decided to waste years in the industrial wilderness through a murderous cultural revolution and ‘great leap forward’ which put them decades behind the developed world is not the USA’s fault!
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Jaymez,
Thank you!
BB
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I fail to understand why an asian country such as Australia or a Pacific Island country such as New Zealand continues to consider and behave as though we are a part of europe somehow.
We are not, never were and never will be a european country. Our diverse multicultural makeup will continue to ensure that this is the case.
So why do we continue to behave as such? Is it just stubborn belligerence?
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I believe it has something to do with the Europian socialist self-hating mind set. Australia is primarily Anglo-Saxion, and I believe there is a race trait associated with that area of the world, a particular mind-set, deeply embeded in the social concience of the race.
And for the record, I am Anglo-Saxion.
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You are right, the starting point was the late 1800s in England, George Bernard Shaw established The Fabian Society which is a socialist group, The Australian Fabian Society started years later. They are using the United Nations which they infiltrated from the start in the early 1950s with a view to using it to work towards their new world order, world government, no sovereign nations. Climate Change is one of their social engineering tools. One point worth considering is the signing of treaties, former Australian lawyer and Labor attorney general Clive “Doc” Evatt recommended the creation of as many international treaties as possible that could be used by the governments of sovereign nations to get around the nation’s laws if deemed to be necessary, in other words by a socialist government. Former prime minister John Howard when asked about international laws advised that they could only be enforced if the government of the day agreed to allow it. In my opinion the Fabian Socialist agenda will never succeed because there are too many countries that would not accept the new world order concept and who would most likely be in control. I doubt that, for example, Chinese or US would accept and many others.
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We don’t, it’s our extreme Green and Union labor socialists working together with their international comrades.
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If there is no agreement for Kyoto II, what are the COP people going to do?
From an agency that was to create something eveyone sort of agreed should be created, they will have to become an agency that works to get eveyone to agree that something should be done.
The AD agencies are now working to get companies to produce a product they can promote. We have agencies paid by the government to lobby the government to do what the government has said they don’t want to do.
Great. What a self-serving scam.
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They could develop a Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) (Renewable at each COP) to hold the next COP.
Each COP can have the agenda to discuss a Letter of Intent (LOI) to implement a GHG emissions reduction scheme.
The discussions can be recorded and archived after each COP. The drafted LOI could be published to much fanfare.
The delegates could agree to renew the MOU and hold the next COP at a different 6 star resort each year…
After all – saving the planet is important work.
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Hilarious.. 🙂
Thats your best shot..??
Here..287 billion down the drain..which nations/NGO/green groups complained about this..?
Since none did..must be a conspiracy..OR.. “activists” like yourself.. are too dumb and lazy and greedy to say anything that will effect their mantra like “meme”.
Take your pick tiger.. 🙂
Seriously..its like shooting $CAGW$ goldfish in a bowl now days.. 🙂
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There was a lot of similar shouting in The West and Greenies on Facebook this week, too, like Perths sea levels rising 3 time faster than the rest of the world, so I had a look at the data, as usual, all BS.
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Thanks very much for checking the data, Tom. Confirms what I expected.
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Ho hum. Just another COPulater from the usual suspects and their Ministry of Silly Masks.
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Can I humbly suggest catastrophist chaps and lunar ladies you all do silly walks to the next Rainbow Python Dreaming knees-up, preferably in Tuvalu?
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Tom Harley –
thanx for checking the perth sea level rise nonsense. to be honest, i can’t be bothered delving into these ridiculous claims any more.
the MSM reports anything & everything when it comes to CAGW scary stories, but what can u expect when Solar ads seem to make up the bulk of their ad revenue in recent years?
as with Copenhagen, so with Doha – Mother Nature is on the side of the CAGW sceptics. check out the stunning pics:
5 Dec: Daily Mail: More traffic chaos on its way as forecasters predict up to six inches of snow and freezing conditions overnight
Forecasters admitted snow across the South had taken them a little by surprise
British Gas has 10,000 engineers and 60 4×4 vehicles on standby in anticipation of extra heating and gas problems
It comes after forecasters admitted they were taken by surprise when unexpected heavy snow blanketed the South of England overnight.
Experts wrongly said yesterday that London and the South East would be ‘cold and dry’ with ‘scattered showers – some wintry’ in the South West…
They only predicted that snow would settle in the North, with four inches on high ground and just two inches remaining lower down by morning.
Instead, a band of snow wreaked havoc as it moved down across the south of England, with the unprepared home counties awaking to wintry scenes and travel chaos…
Met Office spokesman Mark Wilson admitted today that forecasters had not expected the extreme weather.
He said: ‘The snow has been heavier than we first thought and it has brought the snow to lower levels. It was in the forecast, but the actual snow that fell was to lower levels than we had earlier forecast.
***’This is in the nature of forecasting. It is difficult. The issue of snow was mentioned in the forecast, but on higher ground.’…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2243251/UK-weather-More-traffic-chaos-way-forecasters-predict-inches-snow-freezing-conditions-overnight.html
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I only checked it because some green types on my facebook friends list need educating, they are true believers, particularly a certain Neville Numbat from the WA Conservation Council. His friends are having kittens over my addition to his post …
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Hmm, this makes you think.
COP stands for Conference of Parties of the UNFCCC. The first (COP1) was in 1995, and they have been held on a yearly basis since. Incidentally, while there is no firm location for the next COP near the end of 2013, it has been scheduled for an Eastern European Country, so there’s a guide.
In 2006, they added an extra meeting as part of this UNFCCC gathering, MOP which stands for the Meeting Of Parties. (parties subject to The Kyoto Protocol), and those meetings are held in conjunction with the COP meetings, also on that same yearly basis.
Hence this Doha round is referred to as COP18/MOP8
At the same time as that original COP3, The Kyoto meeting which gave us our much loved Kyoto Protocol, that same erstwhile body, as part of the Kyoto Protocol also set up what is known as the Clean Development Mechanism. (CDM) This is the body that has charge of distributing the money from the (now) 24 Annex 2 Countries culled from the (now) 41 Countries, all of these Developed, and then distributing that money to the remaining (now) 151 Undeveloped Countries.
So, this CDM, having been set up in 1997 (14 years ago), and keeping in mind that the COP/MOP meetings are held on a yearly basis, how many meetings of this CDM have been held.
At the same time as this Doha COP18/MOP8 meeting that CDM Exucutive Board are holding their ….. 70th meeting.
5 meetings a year on how to distribute the money.
You take a guess as to what the UN considers its greatest priority, those yearly COP/MOP meetings, about actual Climate Change/Global Warming, or those CDM meetings at the rate of 5 a year.
I’m glad these guys are showing so much concern on our behalf. (/sarc)
Tony.
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The Links at the top of this article appear to have moved, to:-
The Indians have gone home, The Chinese are being told off. Nobody else is very interested, except developing nations …
They have been corrected in the extract above.
The funny thing is Jo’s piece has now been copied at that website ( http://www.scef.org ) with exactly the same broken links… to itself !
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“Practically the only nation on Earth outside the EU and EFTA that wants in, is Australia. Joy.”
Don’t forget Andorra….
“Andorra deposited its instrument of accession to the Convention on 2 March 2011. Entered into force on 31 May 2011.”
unfccc.int/essential_background/items/6031.php
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6 Dec: Gold Coast Bulletin: Andrew Potts: Desalination plant costs still flowing
IT’S BEEN offline for nearly two years but the Tugun Desalination Plant is costing taxpayers nearly $16 million annually.
State Government figures show the yearly cost of the plant, which has been in “hot standby” mode since February 2011, has blown out by $1.7 million in the past eight months from $14.2 million in April to $15.9 million.
Water Supply Minister Mark McArdle is now considering the future of the controversial $1.2 billion infrastructure after his office received a report detailing options for its continued operation.
A spokeswoman for Mr McArdle said a “range of options” would be considered.
“This is a decision which must be made against a range of requirements including the impacts of existing supply contracts, continuity of supply and cost effectiveness,” she said…
In April Mr McArdle described the existing plant, once described by the LNP as a “white elephant”, was “inflated…beyond its needed functional optimum”…
Area councillor Chris Robbins said the high cost of building the infrastructure did not justify its sale or removal.
“This plant was built as insurance against drought for the Gold Coast and it should remain as such,” she said.
“Just imagine southeast Queensland without water in a severe drought — it nearly happened once and could happen again.”
http://www.goldcoast.com.au/article/2012/12/06/443119_gold-coast-news.html
6 Dec: Sky News: Labor MP slams power price info
A Labor Senator has criticised the federal government, accusing it of allowing the public to be shocked by the surge in power prices.
Speaking at the national conference of the Energy Efficiency Council, Labor Senator Matt Thistlethwaite said it was essential to give consumers better information.
Deregulation of the industry in the 1990s exposed consumers to the raw costs of producing electricity, he said.
Along with the eventual costs of carbon emissions and monopoly businesses involved in the transmission and distribution of electricity, he said ‘a perfect storm’ was now hitting consumers.
‘I don’t believe we’ve prepared the public about that transition and what it means for them,’ he said…
AGL forecast that in 2015 electricity prices will be double that of 2008, whereas an analysis by Port Jackson Partners put electricity costs in 2017 as 80 per cent higher than in 2011.
Choice CEO Alan Kirkland said the government had already failed to keep electricity prices affordable and that consumers must be well-represented at Friday’s Council of Australian Governments (COAG) meeting.
He said 25 per cent of household electricity bills went towards infrastructure that was used for only 43 hours per year during extreme temperature spikes…
Mr Kirkland called for improved consumer protection and more accessible data for consumers about time-of-use pricing.
Greens Leader Christine Milne said the national electricity market was blocking and distorting Australia’s capacity to decarbonise.
‘We can’t disassociate from decarbonisation,’ she said.
‘A maximised rollout of renewables is the best hedge against the volatility of pricing of coal and gas.’
Opposition Energy and Resources Minister Ian Macfarlane said while people viewed electricity and gas as essential services they would not be compelled to use things such as smart meters.
‘Until we convince people there are ways around the inevitable price rises, we won’t get anywhere,’ he said.
http://www.skynews.com.au/national/article.aspx?id=823404
SHAME ON ALL OUR POLLIES, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY.
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A pox on the houses of all politicians !
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Ms Milne warns us that life in Earth will be very different when climate change global warming rises to levels that life cannot easily cope with. At the next meeting she tells the audience that we must create more national parks for future generations to enjoy. Firstly, why can’t we enjoy them and secondly, why save them if global warming is going to kill the trees? Am I missing something?
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Nice One in post number 2, cites Wikipedia and their reference to all the learned societies (so called) who have come out in support for global warming alarmism.
This is highy dubious in that already we find that both the Institute of Physics in the UK and the Royal Society have been exposed as having captured by left wing activists, and the membership in both cases had NOT been consulted….and this only became evident after the event.
Indeed the machinations in both bears a striking resemblance to the antics that goes on in unions here in Australia.
In fact there is anecdotal evindence to support the same directions with the professional bodies.
Very few of the professional bodies can say that they hold fair and democratic elections where there is:
1.Equality of access to information.
2.The constituency is known to all.
3.Minimal level of secrecy in the adminstrative affairs.
4.Proper forums are available for debate and discussion on a continuing basis
5. Elections held after town hall style meetings in front of members, or its equivalent before elections.
6. Elections are are based upon written platforms of what they candidates intends to do and quite specifically NOT academic CVs
7.In general comply with what is generally understood to be the characteristics of a democratic body
etc
I am not aware if any that do this, and am not aware of any that have NOT been captured by self serving agenda driven activists.
If you know of any please let me know.
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DOHA
Last item on the Agenda…
Venue, Time and Budget for the NEXT MEETING.
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Birdsville Qld, Mid January … budget… tents !!!
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Should be DOH! Aaaaargh!
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The High Church of Climate Change alarmists have ramped up their latest scare campaign in Australia, now they are asking us to take pictures of storm surges in our area as evidence of rising seas. When I see Crows flying backwards to keep the sun out of their eyes I will believe.
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Well I am not promising to believe, the wind can be quite strong at times.
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sometimes u have to laugh:
6 Dec: LA Times: Auction of battery maker A123 Systems raises concern
Military leaders and politicians are worried that U.S.-funded electric-car-battery technology will end up in the hands of a Chinese auto parts maker
By Julie Wernau, Chicago Tribune
Two of the major players keen on acquiring A123’s assets are Johnson Controls Inc. of Milwaukee, and Wanxiang Group Corp., a Chinese auto parts maker whose North American headquarters is in Elgin, Ill.
Johnson Controls, which was awarded $299 million in federal grants, has said A123’s technology is in its early stages and will require further funding but that the company is committed to adding jobs in the U.S…
Meanwhile, a coalition of former U.S. military leaders and industry experts urged the Committee on Foreign Investment in the U.S. to thwart Wanxiang’s bid in a Nov. 27 letter: “Aside from the national security risk, American taxpayers should not pay for development of a technology that is freely transferred to a non-allied nation.”
But some, such as Charles Gassenheimer, a former executive with companies involved in the electric car industry, believe that has already happened.
Last week, Gassenheimer was in Washington lobbying for Wanxiang. He had been chairman of electric car maker Think and chief executive of battery-maker Ener1, both of which were snapped up out of another bankruptcy by Boris Zingarevich, a Russian businessman. Both Ener1 and Think had also been nurtured by the Energy Department and state and local government funding. Ener1’s biggest investor other than Zingarevich is Wanxiang, which has a joint venture with the battery-maker to co-manufacture lithium-ion energy storage systems for the Chinese market…
Shortly before the presidential election, A123 filed for bankruptcy protection. In its filings, A123 said it had contacted 74 potential suitors, but only Wanxiang offered to invest in A123 as a whole before its bankruptcy…
This week’s auction will be held at the Chicago office of Latham & Watkins, which represents A123. As the stalking-horse bidder, Johnson Controls is entitled to a $2.5-million breakup fee if it isn’t chosen as the winner.
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-a123-auction-20121206,0,359683.story
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just refreshing my memory about John Dee, of Do Something, which got $800,000-plus of taxpayer money plus funding from Fry’s Family Foundation:
October: Fry’sFamilyFoundation: JON DEE
Jon initiated the lobbying campaign that led to Australia’s 3 year phase out of incandescent light globes – a move that is saving Australians hundreds of millions of dollars…
Jon also initiated and manages Do Something’s ‘10 Per Cent Challenge‘. Backed by News Ltd, Unilever, Bunnings, ASIC, Visy, Toyota, Bayer and other organisations, this campaign is teaching households and businesses to save money by cutting their fuel and electricity use by 10%.
In 2011, the House of Representatives and the Senate voted for the Australian Federal Parliament to take The 10% Challenge. Not a single MP or Senator voted against The 10% Challenge motion to reduce Parliament’s energy use by 10%. It has already reduced Parliament’s energy use…
In 2012, the Federal Government awarded Jon’s Do Something! team an $871,000 grant to promote energy efficiency to SMEs. In 2013, this campaign will be publicly headed up by Jon and will involve him presenting videos and writing eBooks that show SMEs how to save energy…
Over the last two years, Jon has undertaken nearly 200 speeches in schools, communities and boardrooms all over Australia. His audiences are wide ranging, varying from 4-18 year olds right through to leading CEO’s, community groups and farmers out in the bush…
Jon has directed and produced over 350 TV and radio ‘environmental education adverts’ which have featured people such as Sir Richard Branson, Kylie Minogue, Pierce Brosnan, Nicole Kidman, Dustin Hoffman, Jeff Goldblum, Tom Cruise, Steve Irwin, Olivia Newton-John and Rolf Harris to name but a few.
In 2011 the Federal Government appointed Jon as the environmental champion for the National Broadband Network…
http://www.frysfamilyfoundation.com/jon-dee/
Jan 2010: Australian: Nicola Berkovic: Ausday furore rages over Planet of the Ark’s John Dee
FORMER staff members who worked with Australian of the Year finalist and Planet Ark founder John Dee have written to the Australia Day Council accusing him of bullying and inappropriate campaign methods.
However, Mr Dee vigorously denied those allegations yesterday, saying he had never been motivated by profits from sponsors and had always treated his staff well…
Mr Dee yesterday firmed as the No 2 candidate to take out the Australian of the Year title behind mental health expert Patrick McGorry, according to online betting sites.
Former employees of Mr Dee wrote to the Australia Day Council last month, arguing he was unworthy of the title because he used “intimidating tactics” in the workplace and was motivated by money to “subtly promote” his sponsors.
However, NSW Greens MP Lee Rhiannon said Mr Dee had “done some outstanding work for the environment”.
“Controversy often dogs people who put their head above the trenches and stand up for what they believe in,” she said…
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/ausday-furore-rages-over-planet-of-the-arks-john-dee/story-e6frg6nf-1225821798994
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NOAA DOHA – what a bunch of dills.
A quote from the article in “The Guardian” (No naughty comments allowed there)
Extreme weather in the Artic? What bad cyclones, bigger hurricanes, wetter flooding,dryer droughts, WTF – are these groups on.
Yup, Bribie Island in Queensland will be under water by 2020, Greenland will have no ice, and the Swan River will overflow into all of Perth.
Gee Aye – have you got the results of your QLD sea level rise in the public domain? ie: Bribie Island.
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wha?
you talking about salt water incursions into ground water?
Get yourself into a library.
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Why? Are libraries waterproof?
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I walked into that one.
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Oh, you know each other?
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I’ve only ever shared anything waterproof or otherwise with only one other person on this blog and it aint John
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Reckon we should have ourselves a Kyoto Seppuku Party!
(The Kyoto Protocol does the seppuku, not us, if anyone’s wondering.)
The Big Al Drinking Game
Take it in turns to name an error or exaggeration in “An Inconvenient Truth” and anyone who can’t name one has to sip a shot. It ends when no-one in the circle can remember one that hasn’t been named already. Could get messy for all but the most studied skeptic!
Carbon Donkey
Place a world map on the wall. Take it in turns to be blindfolded, spun around, and then try to Pin The Emissions On Australia. The year 2000 per-capita emissions world rank of the country you actually hit is the number of mL of vodka you have to sip! Watch out for Uruguay and Kiribati, they could be the death of you!
Doha Darts
Each person has a turn throwing darts trying to hit a ring that has not been hit already, and therefore tries not to “agree” on the dart score of anyone else! First person to accidentally “agree” on a “target” has to immediately “sink” a large quantity of CO2 from a bubbly fluid!
Other ideas…?
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from alarmist louise gray, no less:
5 Dec: UK Telegraph: Louise Gray: Climate change funds earmarked for Africa ‘are going to corporations’
Climate change: British taxpayers’ money for climate aid is going to large businesses such as Walmart rather than going directly to help poor people, according to campaigners.
A recent example was £385m, channeled through a World Bank project to promote clean energy in poor countries.
WDM say that most of the money went to private companies to build wind turbines or solar panels for profit.
Some £10m ended up going towards a 27-turbine farm in the state of Oaxaca in Mexico, operated by the French energy giant EDF, to be paid back in 15 years…
WDM claim that all of the electricity is being used by Walmart, the owner of the Asda supermarket chain, rather than for local people. Also land owned by indigenous people was used without their consent.
The latest tranche of UK climate change aid spending, includes £150 million towards projects such as building more solar panels in Africa.
Alex Scrivener, the World Development Movement’s policy officer, feared the money would again go to private companies…
Greg Barker, the Energy and Climate Change Minister, insisted that public money will continue to go directly to help poor communities adapt to floods and droughts and other impacts from global warming.
But he said that channeling money through the private sector could ensure billions more cash is spent on helping the developing world to go green.
He pointed out that UK investors could make money from leading the way on providing low carbon goods and services, not only helping out own economy but those in developing countries.
The CBI estimate this sector could be worth £4 trillion by 2015.
Mr Barker said he was pushing for City of London to lead the way in providing the financial instruments such as pension funds, insurance and ‘green bonds’ that will fund low carbon projects.
The UK is leading a meeting of private sector investors in Abu Dhabi early next year to develop these low carbon goods and services in the City.
“For me this meeting (in Doha) is about an audacious land grab for global green goods and services market,” Mr Barker said…
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/9723731/Climate-change-funds-earmarked-for-Africa-are-going-to-corporations.html
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5 Dec: AFP: EU, US rule out climate funding pledges in Doha
As pledges from individual countries started to trickle in, the EU said tight finances prevented it taking on near-term commitments as a bloc, while Washington insisted it was already “doing what we agreed to do.”…
Developed nations are also being asked to show how they intend to keep a promise to raise funding for the developing world’s climate mitigation plans to $100 billion per year by 2020 — up from a total of $30 billion in 2010-2012.
European Union climate negotiator Pete Betts told journalists that “these are tough financial times in Europe.”
As a bloc, “we, as other developed countries, are not going to be in a position at this meeting to agree any kind of target for 2015.”
Britain said Tuesday it would spend about 1.8 billion pounds (2.2 billion euros/$2.9 billion) on international climate projects over the next three years — though critics said most of this was not “new” money…
United States negotiator Jonathan Pershing, however, said: “The question of whether there is a new commitment that gets announced here is not the right question.
“The current discussions obligated us to look at a 2020 number. That’s what we agreed to do. They committed us as a downpayment in good faith to look at a $30-billion collective effort, and we have done more than that.
“In that sense I think we are doing what we agreed to do and what we’ve committed to do,” he said.
Ousman retorted this was “a misinterpretation of things.”
“Our understanding is that it’s per year and that (the funding) should start now… and we want figures on the table.”…
“The Doha caravan is stuck in a sandstorm,” lamented Ronny Jumeau, negotiator for the Alliance of Small Island States, a grouping of 43 countries most at risk from global warming-induced sea level rise.
Observers complained of a disquieting lack of urgency, and the NGO Christian Aid, which claims to represent some of the world’s poorest communities said: “The baby is close to being born but we are in danger of aborting it just as the labour begins.”…
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5j3o0521qmPyIJz3Nne7fSfn_dBUA?docId=CNG.7cffe9ec61d8fa7e6166546ce7c16e6a.171
Reuters tries to spin the money pledged as positive despite their headline, says they are trying to work out a **symbolic** extension of the U.N’s Kyoto Protocol, & Christiana Figueres, the U.N. climate chief was applauded for saying: “We will as a community of nations adopt a second commitment period of the Kyoto Protocol tomorrow”:
6 Dec: Reuters: Daniel Fineren/Regan Doherty: EU climate aid promises fail to unlock U.N. deal in Doha
Green groups say Doha on brink of disaster
(MODEST?) The two-week meeting, due to end on Friday, is deadlocked on modest goals such as aid and an extension of a existing U.N.-led plan to combat climate change into 2013..
A group of leading environmental groups – including Greenpeace, the WWF and Oxfam – said they were launching “an emergency call to governments to save Doha from disaster”.
“This has been almost a laughable exercise,” said Kumi Naidoo, the head of Greenpeace, who accused developed nations of failing to lay out more ambitious goals…
Scientists also said the talks were out of line with the needed urgency. “We are not on track,” Michel Jarraud, head of the World Meteorological Organisation, told Reuters. “Scientific evidence is getting stronger.”
“Climate change is happening before our eyes.”…
The European Union, Australia, Ukraine, Norway and Switzerland are the main backers of Kyoto which are willing to make further legally binding cuts in emissions beyond 2012 until 2020.
But they account for less than 15 percent of world emissions…
http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/12/06/climate-talks-idUSL5E8N61OT20121206
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watch your Super:
7 Dec: Bloomberg: Matthew Carr: Fund May Use $100 Billion a Year to Encourage Carbon Price
The Green Climate Fund, designed to channel about $100 billion a year to emerging nations, may try to wean recipients off fossil-fuel subsidies and encourage nations to put a price on carbon, according to an overseer.
The fund may guarantee bank loans in developing nations for projects ranging from wind farms to building insulation and less-polluting agricultural equipment, Naoko Ishii, chief executive officer of the Global Environment Facility in Washington, said yesterday in an interview in Doha. She heads one of two secretariats governing the fund.
Climate projects may be able to get private-sector finance augmented by guarantees from the fund, alongside discounted loans from government or development banks, Ishii said. The 24- member board of the Green Climate Fund may make loans or guarantees conditional on the recipient having the right environmental policies in place, she said…
***The International Chamber of Commerce said Dec. 3 companies and pension funds are hoarding cash rather than spending it because climate-protection rules are lacking.
“Tell us what the rules are going to be so we know how to integrate them into our business,” said Jean-Guy Carrier, secretary general of the Paris-based chamber, whose members represent businesses from Qatar to the U.S…
*** Renewable subsidies in 2011, including biofuels, amounted to $88 billion, the International Energy Agency in Paris said Nov. 12. Over the period to 2035, they need to amount to $4.8 trillion, over half of which has already been committed to existing projects or needed to meet 2020 targets, it said.
The Green Climate Fund use of the private sector may blur the lines between debt and equity or potentially include mandates for outside fund managers, Abyd Karmali, head of carbon for Bank of America Corp. in London, said Nov. 2 by phone…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-06/green-fund-may-use-100-billion-a-year-to-encourage-carbon-price.html
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5 Dec: Bloomberg: Torsten Fagerholm: Norway’s First Wind Farm on Hold After Lack of Political Support
Norway put development of its first planned offshore wind farm on hold until further notice, with the company involved citing a lack of political support, a setback in European efforts to boost renewable energy production.
“The necessary support for offshore wind from political leaders is absent,” causing wind power developer Vestavind Offshore AS to halt the construction of a 350-megawatt wind farm until further notice, Wenche Teigland, chairman of the board, said today on the company website…
“Either political priorities need to change, or we must wait for technological developments to make offshore wind power competitive,” Teigland said.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-12-05/norway-s-first-wind-farm-on-hold-after-lack-of-political-support.html
UK government to simplify corporate carbon trade scheme
LONDON, Dec 5 (Reuters): Nina Chestney: The British government will simplify its costly and complex scheme for corporate carbon emissions reduction and will review its effectiveness in 2016, after which it could be scrapped, the UK Treasury said on Wednesday…
Earlier this year, Osborne said the government could abolish the scheme in favour of an alternative environmental tax if it did not manage to reduce the CRC’s costs.
“The CRC is bad law,” said Michael Hutchinson, head of the environmental group at law firm Mayer Brown.
“The rules are impenetrable to most … it doesn’t guarantee emissions reductions, it can punish growth and anecdotal evidence suggests that serious questions need to be asked about the level of compliance,” he added…
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6 Dec: Bloomberg: Lynn Doan: California Rejected 66% Carbon Permit Bids Last Month
The bids were thrown out “during the auction settlement when we determined who exceeded holding limits, purchase limits or bid guarantees,” Dave Clegern, an air board spokesman in Sacramento, said by e-mail. “In the future we will be releasing all the information at once, including quantities of both submitted and qualified bids.”
After the disqualifications, the state had 1.06 legitimate bids per permit for the 23.1 million permits put up for sale on Nov. 14. Last month the state reported it had 3.1 bids for every permit available.
“The 1.06 number is a big surprise,” William Nelson, a Bloomberg New Energy Finance analyst in New York, said by e- mail. “The auction barely squeaked by.” …
The state is giving away about 90 percent of the permits at the onset and selling the rest in quarterly auctions…
More than 70 companies qualified to bid in the first auction, with BP Plc (BP/), Chevron Corp. (CVX), Exxon Mobil Corp. (XOM), Royal Dutch Shell Plc (RDSA), Tesoro Corp. (TSO) and Valero Energy Corp. (VLO) among the refiners who registered to participate. Power utilities included Pacific Gas & Electric Co. and Southern California Edison. Morgan Stanley (MS) and Royal Bank of Canada also qualified to bid…
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-12-06/california-carbon-permits-bids-averaged-15-dot-60-last-month
Swedish energy fund pulls out of EU carbon market
LONDON, Dec 6 (Reuters Point Carbon) – A Swedish energy fund has stopped trading carbon after plunging CO2 allowance prices offset gains made in other markets, a fund manager at the company said on Thursday.
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NZ carbon hits new lows on weak EU market
DOHA, Dec 6 (Reuters Point Carbon) – Spot permits in New Zealand’s Emissions Trading Scheme fell 12 percent week-on-week to close Thursday at NZ$2.55, fresh record lows as European carbon prices crumbled.
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