As of today, Australia no longer has the most expensive “carbon” price in the world. The voters didn’t ask for a tax in 2010, but it was forced on them in 2011. They rejected it wholeheartedly in 2013 but it still has taken months to start unwinding this completely pointless piece of symbolism which aimed to change the weather. The machinery of democracy may be slow, but this is a win for voters.
11:15am EST today: The Australian Senate passes the carbon tax repeal bill.
“Australia has become the first country in the world to abolish a price on carbon, with the Senate passing the Abbott government’s repeal bills 39 votes to 32.“ SMH
Now we need to turn off the tap to all the other green gravy rent-seekers who ignore the evidence.
h/t Matthew (aka Matty thanks!)
Other news services are starting to cover this. All the cross-benchers except Nick Xenophon (who was absent) voted for the repeal. Labor and the Greens opposed it. News.com
Soon big companies will stop paying a penalty on carbon emissions, currently just over $25 a tonne, ending Australia’s most controversial policy implementation since the 2003 decision to join the Iraq invasion.
Labor dragged out the final debate stages with questions about the Palmer United Party’s amendment to ensure price cuts from the carbon tax repeal are passed fully onto consumers and businesses. The Greens took a similar line of questioning and quizzed the finance minister about the government’s promised $550 saving for households from the repeal of the carbon tax.
On the question of $550 per household per year — just as it was impossible to know exactly how much more everything cost with a carbon tax, it will be impossible to know exactly how much less we will have to pay, and it will take months for savings to be passed through the supply lines. And billions of dollars wasted will never be recovered.
🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 !
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Add some more happy faces for King Geo as well because Bill Shorten has proclaimed that the ALP will push the ETS as a major policy of theirs in the 2016 Federal Election – thank you Bill for this – it will almost certainly guarantee the Coalition a 2nd term. In another 2 years “Global Temperature flat-lining” will have been in vogue for ~ 18 years – even voters with a low IQ will realize then that the Theory of CAGW is total & utter bull…. and that an ETS will be as useful as a heavy metal chain hanging around one’s neck.
[Typographical errors corrected – Fly]
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Thanks for that correction – a Freudian finger slip on the keyboard.
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I would like to see Bill Shorten answer just how are we trading with,if a ETS is labour policy? Because the only one I can think of is the E.U and they don’t have a trading system of any sort. There’s is very heavily regulated and to link us with them \would be stupid in the extreme.
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So you are happy climate action has been temporarily stopped?
Waiting for your $550 savings?
A note: as not very bright people, those informed by the Daily Telegraph etc, find they are not getting their $550 the support for monkey and his troupe will sink even lower, despite what Murdoch tries to do. A 60:40 election anyone? Oh, and Rupert has lost a bundle getting monkey elected, $350m a year less from his papers, hopefully he will lose more than that next election.
But enjoy your temporary triumph.
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Oh yeah—temperatures have been increasing all through that mythical “16 year pause.” Sorry.
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Maxine the UAH Global Temperature record of the lower atmosphere clears shows that planet Earth has not warmed for the past 15 years. This is by far the most reliable temperature record because it covers most of the Earth. Clearly land based thermometer records have issues e.g. UHI effects & only ~ 30% of the Earth comprises land. Most geos like myself know that CO2 is not a driver of Global Temperatures. There is little evidence of this in the geological record and the Global Temperature flat-lining since 1998, while CO2 in the atmosphere has risen by ~ 10%, clearly shows a disjunct between the 2 parameters. I suggest you spend some time chatting with geos and maybe you will understand what’s going on wrt to planet Earth’s climate. We don’t use GIGO modelling – we look at the geological record and the warming/cooling cycles which have occurred without much input from us Homo Sapiens – the real driver of Earth’s climate is the Sun – just like it has been for the past 4.5 billion years since Earth formed – there is Grand Minimum imminent so that will well and land truly “kill off” the “Theory of CAGW”.
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Because the warmists shortened the records they cannot adjust the data enough to hide stuff like this when it happens (Australia well below average).
Click here.
That is two weeks after this.
Click here.
Or can they? Try clicking the earlier or later buttons to find the week between (Week ending 8th).
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Or simply flip the narrative to Man Made Global Cooling – as was done in the opposite direction in the 1970s.
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Moreover, King Geo, let’s not forget to remind the scaremongers that in the ‘pre-industrial’ era CO2 was present in the atmosphere at 280ppm (so we’re told).
It’s now approx. 400ppm, so that’s an increase of almost 43%.
Need more be said?
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“Maxine”,
The ONLY place temperatures have been increasing in in that empty skull of yours !
[SNIP]
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A new scientific phenomenon…
….. heat generated from within a vacuum. !!
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Now hold on just one darn cotton picking minute…………..is this the same “Maxine” that comments at iceagenow? I do believe it is based on your little picture of a dog, i am so confused please explain Maxine.
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Sorry Maxine hot on the heels of my maths gaff i have you confused with another dog please continue with your “i reject reality and substitute it with my own” approach to life.
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We don need no steeenking $550 savings.
We are all funded by Big Oil and Big Coal to post opinions on this site in the hope it will cause Governments to change their policies.
Haven’t you heard?
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Next comes Renewable Energy Levy that costs electricity users about the same amount as the Carbon Tax did. What a farce, users of electricity paying premium price and taxes to ensure that the price is much higher than need be to subsidise inefficient, too expensive, unreliable so called green energy schemes.
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“The UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office, but said it would need to last ‘30 to 40 years at least’ to break the long-term global warming trend.” – The Australian, Feb 22 2013
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Only between your ears, Maxine.
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Maxine, just saying so and sticking your tongue out like a petulant child doesn’t prove anything except that once again, the CAGWist movement tries to cover up the truth and fails utterly.
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Maxine… erm…. where is your evidence?
In science, it is not good enough to say, “It is so!” – that is the preserve of politics. Science – TRUE science – says, “Here is the evidence; what is the conclusion?” (Look up Richard Feynman for greater depth on that statement.) The evidence (as supplied by NASA, UKMO, NOAA, IPCC) is that there has been NO warming for over 17 years; the conclusion has to be that the entire CO2 GHG, AGW/ACC theory is wrong.
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You used the word “evidence” three times in the same comment. That if very unfair.
When presented with the concept of empirical, observable, and repeatable, evidence, Maxine has a tendency to become catatonic.
This is because she cannot believe that people, who could gain power and profit from a scam that forcibly takes money from people under false pretenses, actually would seek power and profit by such means. The nice politician who came to the Community Hall to talk to her and her friends, seemed such an erudite person, and had such a lovely smile.
It hasn’t yet dawned on Maxine, that politicians, and bankers, and commodity traders, stand to make a lot of money over a climate scam.
And it certainly hasn’t dawned on Maxine, that in contrast to those people who do make money from the climate scare, the sceptics don’t stand to make any money at all from such a scam, except what we freely donate to Jo, and other bloggers like her, for the privilege of airing our concerns.
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Sorry that you are wrong?
So how was the tax going to reduce the temperature?
Fortunately, alarmists are going to fulfill their Malthusian mission on themselves.
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Sook.
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Oh how embarrassment. Eating toast and slipped giving Maxine an extra tick. So now it’s + score is massively exaggerated. Like the Warming 🙂
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“Oh yeah—temperatures have been increasing all through that mythical “16 year pause.” Sorry.”
This comment – and its implicit endorsement of argument from authority – reminds me ever so much of Orwell’s ‘two legs good, four legs bad’ and ‘two plus two equals five’.
In each the endorsement of the conclusion is based not on reason or empirical evidence but on the simple the say so of an authority figure.
Likewise the dictates of ‘climate science’ must be followed without question.
No deviation from the proscribed truth will be tolerated, even a pause of 16 years must be expunged from the record. Indeed, that such a pause exists is not even to be tolerated as a possible argument (how could it be? Then the ‘science’ might be wrong!).
The green left appears to have bred a perfect mob of unquestioning true believers – perfect residents of a totalitarian state.
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Actually, in all the official numbers, the past temperatures have been getting colder.
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Maxine. Using SkS’s own trend calculator, there has been ZERO warming so far this century (Jan 1st, 2001)
GISTEMP – Trend: 0.022 ±0.157 °C/decade (2σ)
NOAA – Trend: -0.003 ±0.145 °C/decade (2σ)
HADCRUT4 – Trend: -0.009 ±0.141 °C/decade (2σ)
BEST – Trend: 0.064 ±0.384 °C/decade (2σ)
NOAA (land only) – Trend: 0.063 ±0.264 °C/decade (2σ)
RSS – Trend: -0.060 ±0.252 °C/decade (2σ)
UAH – Trend: 0.054 ±0.252 °C/decade (2σ)
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As of this post, that is 14 years, 6 months and 19 days.
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“But enjoy your temporary triumph.”
We are deary, 🙂
And many more to come.
Get rid of this green fraud for good :
More CO2.. let the planet flourish !! 🙂
You see.. PLANTS LUV CO2 !!!
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Looks like Backslider has outed it at #45.2.1.1
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I don’t give a rat’s about the $550.
It was the total idiocy of the whole carbon tax that HAD TO GO..
And the first step is DONE. 🙂
Hopefully now the RET and the all climate change troughers, can also go the way of the dodo, as well. 🙂
So suck it up, child-mind !!
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When Palmer said they wouldn’t support ridding the country of the RET, guess what happened to the price of the REC’s.
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@the Griss
July 17, 2014
‘carbon tax that HAD TO GO..’ as more turkeys vote for christmas!
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Fortunately they were voted out in the last election.
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Do you really vote for Christmas?
Christmas happens.. you don’t need to vote for it, dopey !!!
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Just what “climate action” are you referring to, Maxine? By any objective measure, the Australian carbon tax has done nothing to contribute any alteration to weather events anywhere, nor to global CO2 emissions even if you believed that was important. CO2 emissions globally have actually increased well above projections, so this “action” is effective how precisely? By what mechanism does an Australian tax that closes down businesses here and then shifts them elsewhere (where there is less regulatory control of pollution generally) make any practical difference to global emissions of CO2, or anything else for that matter?
Unfortunately, Maxine, you are actually a pretty dumb puppy. The rationale for the carbon tax, or an ETS for that matter, was never about helping mitigate the weather, nor benefitting the environment, nor any noble aspiration whatsoever. It was plain and simple GREED, whether monetary or political, where everyone who advocates the alarm reeks of either self-interest, self-importance, intellectual snobbery or rampant elitism, while demonstrating a scant regard for the welfare of others. You are a hypocrite and a dishonest one at that. Reading you post fills me with tremendous satisfaction, as people like you and your Luddite mentality are forced to crawl back under the rock from whence you came, discredited and chastened by the knowledge that the days your philosophy enjoyed in the sun are numbered.
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Or more simply – Maxine believes that taxes can change the climate.
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Well now we are back to the terrifying situation where cows can fart at will, FOR FREE!!! and we don’t have a tax to fix their fart damage.
Its basically one of the seven signs of Armageddon and I doubt if any of us will be alive to doubt it by this time next week.
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There hasn’t been any climate “action”. The carbon tax had zero effect on climate. Thanks for your contribution.
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Maxine, we would have been disappointed if you had taken it well.
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yep took some effort
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Do you think this little venue had something to do with it?
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Just in, the latest results from the Climate Games:
UK – Green Crap 5. Common Sense 1
USA – Green Crap 4. Common Sense 2
Australia – Green Crap 1. Common Sense 3
China – match abandoned due to lack of interest.
EU – Green Crap 6. common Sense 0
India – match abandoned due to lack of interest.
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Peter you forgot Canada in that list. I’d give them a 3.5 in common sense
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M.P. –
Thanks for the Canadian compliment. Our Prime Minister recently confirmed that a Carbon Tax is not in the future with his government. Unfortunately, our provincial “Progressive Conservative” government in Alberta has implemented a Cap and Trade scheme, mainly to suck up to the international greenies; some leadership hopefuls are calling for its increase. On the other hand, another candidate has referred to Carbon Capture and Storage as a “Science Experiment” that would not happen on his watch. I can only hope that the Wild Rose Party, our slightly more conservative provincial option, will step up to the plate with a dose of reality and provide us with the representation we need.
Congratulations on your victory, AU!
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Captain Dave i did like that your Prime Minister gave the U.N a serve last year when one of them tried to tell them that they couldn’t leave the Kyoto agreement,and he told them that Canada is leaving,as is permitted,and if the U.N tries to stop that,maybe we should leave the U.N as well,or words to that effect.
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Japan – Green Crap 2. Common Sense 4
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Canada Green Crap 3 Common Sense 4
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Err no. The pressure within the party came via no blogs
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False. The Climategate emails were published first and foremost on blogs. The information in these emails had a significant role in the decision to dump Malcontent Turncoat, member for Goldman Sachs, as liberal leader.
Remember the “good old days” when you and yours were so happy to tell all and sundry that Tony Abbott had once said “global warming is Crap”? How badly did you misjudge the situation…
Now you scrap desperately for anything a conservative politician might say that seems to support even part of your sorry hoax 😉
(don’t worry, we’ll get to Turncoat and Hunt in time. Sceptics never forgive and the Internet never forgets. Every activist, every journalist and every politician. Every. Last. One.)
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Agreed Konrad, we must relentlessly removed all traces of this false religion from our country, the wind farms, solar, NGOs, complicit journalists, politicians, scientists, clergy, banks etc the list is long and we have much yet to do.
Maintain the pressure, destroy those who wish to destroy our country for their own selfish ends.
We have talked enough.
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I can dismiss your evidence free assertion as easily as you can mine. I work with the party and I am telling you that blogs were not influential in this outcome.
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No, the fall of Malcolm Turnbull was orchestrated by talkback radio, and particularly Michael Smith who gave out the number and urged us all to call in to the Liberal party demanding that the ETS not be passed, which in fact I did. The Liberal switchboard was jammed for hours. Apparently it’s known as the day the electorate went nuts, and is now the stuff of legend. Opposition to the ETS took down Malcolm.
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I keep emailing key Liberals reminding them…
NO ETS.. NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES !!!
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Nothing to do with recent events bobl
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Abbott delivers! Now for the Renewable Energy Target (TAX).
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We are going to have to get the people of Oz to elect a different bunch of senators before that is likely to be able to be changed.
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Or maybe just a couple of by-elections for a couple of naughty PUPpies who stained the Chinese trade rug 😉
Light Smack over the nose with a limp lame stream media newspaper? Not this time.
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Unfortunately not how it works in the senate, PUP gets to nominate replacements, however in the reps if Clive goes, then there is a by election.
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A victory for common sense. Now Australia has opened the gate I hope the saner countries in the world will follow.
But the government won’t stop until all the other rubbish is gone. If it can’t be done in the senate, the qangos will be strangled of funds.
Hopefully now, the science will follow the politics. The war is not over…yet.
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“Hopefully now, the science will follow the politics”
It has so far.
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Like Co2 follows temperature rise, oh the irony! 🙂
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Hmmmm – science seems to follow the funding…
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Amazingly its hailing at Beauty Point. The Mrs and I had put on the factor 50 and prepared to be fried once the tax was repealed and in an amazing twist it got cold and started hailing.
I cant figure any of this out.
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Hail and sleet here, all we need is Al Gore to comment on this and we’ll have 2 foot of snow! 🙂
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Sleeted here too in Nth Central Vic.
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Al gore did comment. He told tony Abbott to “get out of the way” of Climate change measures,that it was real,and we had to act on it,ASAP.
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Snow in parts of Victoria that rarely get snow.
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[Next morning]. Snow here in NSW. We shouldn’t get it here, either (normally), but these last few years we’ve been getting more each year. That’s why I think Jo and David are right and that temps are heading down.
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It’s been cold in the tropics, I hope that warming comes back, it’s much better for us, but then … the screeching left will be back if it does. More CO2 please, my plants like it.
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It’s just started drizzling rain again in Broome, gotta love it at this usual dry time of year. Warmer nights too after the last couple of days have been cloudy. The first 10 nights in July were 5C colder than last year. My thanks on getting rid of the ‘stupid tax’ go to all those saner people here and currently in charge of government. 😎
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Hey I’ve been to Broome!
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Yep, I’m at Robigana and it hailed here too. Al Gore isn’t visiting Beacy or anything is he?
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Colder than a witches tit here in Woomera.
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Been there, it always is, but it’s warm in my heart right now.
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you been to Woomera Matty?
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I was a member of the 5/7th Battalion in 1004 and we were the first to go on exercize there after became an area that was not so secret anymore. And it was bloody freezing, and eerie. Most were thrown by the topography there until we found out we were below sea level. Waking around in an old seabed. Fascinating.
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That should have said 1994!!
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Oh ok so you are an AJ, that changes things………..nah just joking i am in the chairforce, we stay in (looking around room) 2.5 star accomodation here whereas you guys stay at the old detention center lol.
You at Robertson? I used to work at 2CRU out near Buffallo creek its all gone now replaced by a housing estate and resort. I do miss Darwin crap place if you are married and young, many divorces there i managed to stay married some how most of my mates did not. Get the odd chance to go back from time to time, never been to Perth though.
Cheers
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Yes an AJ but never made it to Darwin.
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Off to lunch. Charcoal steak perhaps?
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Carbonised steak…yum .
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This is bigger then Ben Hur’s ballsack on his Bar Mitzvah! The waves will go all over the world! A stake through the heart that sinks Bill Shorten’s run at PM, gives Abbott another term, and probably means death over at the ABC for half of them.
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Wait, I thought it wasn’t a tax!
Glad it’s gone no matter what it was called.
The world will be in awe of your leadership and wise lawmaking.
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Hailing at Beauty Point? Great. It should be arriving where I am around about … now.
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Christine Milne’s Six Degrees of Seperation….. from reality.
Christine Milne, Senate, Tuesday:
I THINK at some point we will have a website of climate criminals and I would have a few people to put on that list. It would include Dick Warburton, Brian Fisher, David Murray, Maurice Newman, Mitch Hooke and so you could go on, with Chris Mitchell, Gina Rinehart, Innes Willox, Ian Plimer, Rupert Murdoch, George Pell, Andrew Bolt, John Roskam, Martin Ferguson and so on and so forth. In years to come, those people will try to pretend that they did not tear down the climate bills, when they have and the record will clearly show it. … To all those people partying around the corridors, enjoy it because it is your last stand. The fact is you have misjudged the temperature … When we look at the temperature of the planet rising, let us look at the climate science. The fact of the matter is we are on track for four to six degrees of warming. That means people will not survive. Part of the world will be uninhabitable. There will be one million deaths per week for the next 90 years if it gets to 4 degrees.
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What an insult not to include first and foremost the award winning Jo Nova. Jo you have been included only in “and so you could go on” as well as “and so on and so forth”. Don’t worry, we still love you and respect you Jo! (you climate criminal you! hehe)
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Hope they start a list that grows faster than they can work on it full time.
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Milne has the sound of wind whistling through the forest. No one is listening. An irrelevant, aged Greenie blowing away like the leaves in Autumn. Can we harness the wind from Greenies? Maybe attach a personal propeller to each to power their wooden mechanical iPhones? Maybe an ox cart instead of flying business class? They can grow their own food and catch their own fish instead of living in restaurants at public expense? The Age of the Greenie is ending and life will return to normal, hopefully. We have enough real problems in the world without making them up.
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“Milne has the sound of wind whistling through her ears” fixed it mate 🙂
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How come the Greens get so much MSM publicity? 10 seats out of 70 in the Senate (LNP 33) and just 1 seat out of 150 in the House of Reps (LNP 58).
So much hot air from a minor party with more PR backers than voters, I suspect.
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Especially on the ABC ‘News’. Milne and Palmer are seen vastly more than their parties warrant .
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The media love a scare story – anything that might drum up a bit of interest…
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I do believe this is why the media put them on. Their pronouncements might be ridiculous, but they’re sensational as well. Like all good car accidents, it gets people watching and commenting.
Sadly, it’s a strategy that gives the Greens money and power too, not just makes them look silly. Come to think of it, people seem to like silly.
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It’s ‘their’ ABC, not ours, I guess …
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I think Christine Milne should return to the bottom of the garden and resume her faerie duties.
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Faerie? Don’t you mean Orc? I hope so, because the Age of the Orc is ending …
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From Christine Milne: “There will be one million deaths per week for the next 90 years if it gets to 4 degrees.”
Hmmm… A current world population of 7 billion… an assumed average lifespan of 70 years… that works out to 1.9 million deaths per week from natural causes.
So 4 degrees of warming will halve the death rate!
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Or………365 million deaths a year for 90 years which equals 32.85 billion people, jeez at that rate there wont be any one left to take the temp measurements. The utopian world all greenies dream of.
Cheers
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Starlin would be proud.
He only managed to murder around 20 million…..
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Uh, no. A million a WEEK is 52 million a year, only 4.6 billion. The only way to keep up would be a breeding frenzy! Who’s up for it?
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dang nabbit i realised my mathematical flaw after i posted (Jo why oh why can i not edit my own mistakes) the problem was i was using green logic which of course is an oxymoron. I do agree with your breeding frenzy idea, 3 wives for every man doesnt that sound like fun………………..not, one is already too much (carefully reading my comment before pressing the post comment button……….not)
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Crakar,you should not even joke about three wives cause three wives means three mothers in law,there is no way that can be funny (unless you are watching someone else suffer).The gangreen milne was right about one thing,she said
Part of the world will be uninhabitable.
She must have borrowed an atlas.
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I can have a go at the breeding frenzy, but I must warn in advance I tend to fall asleep after the first frenzy.
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Er … there are 52 weeks in a year, not 356. But, in 90 years most, if not all, of the 6.5-7 billion alive now will be dead anyways. Unless some great new medical discoveries (fingers crossed :^)
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Arithmetic has never been their strong suit ….
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Climate Criminals?
What about Crimes against Humanity! Where do the Greens and Labour stand then?
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Another case of an alarmist misrepresenting the science. “Misery” Milne should be referred to the privileges committee of the senate for grossly misleading the senate about the science. The actual science as indicated on Andrew Bolt’s blog:
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The link:
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Whatever you think of the current climate debate it is a gross abuse of parliamentary privilege to stand up in our parliament and accuse fellow citizens of being criminals simply because they hold views that differ from yours. Senator Milne must be asked to apologize to both the parliament and all those she named. Those slandered should be given the right to reply. I would love to see all those mentioned be given the chance to stand before the senate and state their views.
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Milne is just projecting. She can get away with slander in the cowards’ castle but too gutless to mutter the same outside.
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If challenged, she only needs to “withdraw” the comment, and it is as if she had never said it, except it would remain recorded in Hansard, with her withdrawal, only appearing several pages later.
To the lay reader, her comment will still appear to stand. It is one of the tricks, used on both sides of the house, to game the system.
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To the lay reader, she is still a mug.
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This should be done.
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Red thumb in error. Didn’t realise you were quoting the fragrant Ms. Milne. Still on first coffee. Sorry.
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Do note the phrase in the passage from which this is drawn about her concerns regarding “managing society”. This is what separates Fascits from Communists. While Communists insist on owning the assets which produce goods and services, Fascists dream of controlling those assets, and society as a whole. These people are very dangerous to your welfare.
If you substitute the phrase “climate change” with “Jews” in the statements this old hag makes, and substitute “blood and soil” for the phrase “think of the children”, her crap comes right out of Adolf’s speeches.
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There’s that backwoods girl whistling dixie again. Sorry, “backwards girl”.
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Really Christine Milne? One million a week? Are you sure about that? How did you calculate that rounded figure, considering nature knows nothing of the human construct called the decimal system, unless you’re the one popping them off and keeping count, which is what I’m sure you’d like to be doing but you don’t like anyone getting in ahead of you.
Besides, how many were murdered by the banning of DDT Christine? I believe that was in the order of 50 million. Get back in your box Milne, you really recorded yourself as a sublime idiot to be remembered for many decades into the future.
Luckily, most of us here will be around to inscribe it on your tombstone.
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Interesting that you have put Rupert Murdoch on that list. The UK Guardian (banned personally 6 times , I am so proud of myself) has been running a most indignant thread claiming he is the worst denier corrupting minds with his anti CAGW press and should be called to account etc etc .
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/climate-consensus-97-per-cent/2014/jul/14/rupert-murdoch-doesnt-understand-climate-basics
Since obviously I get paid millions to defend Rupe, I can hardly wait for the next cheque in the mail.
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Doh! That Irony gets me every time!
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I wonder if the stupid cow actually believes that?
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that sounds like the rabid rant of someone who should be put in a mental institution.
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Mr Shorten is concerned about the Paris conference next year. But can anyone tell me what would happen if we sent no-one; no politician, no public servant not one government funded official to the conference. That is Australia sends the strong message “not interested thank you”.
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I’m pretty sure that the government won’t be sending anyone to the conference. I’d be surprised if we were alone on this.
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India, Canada, the emerging nations and the impoverished, power-starved nations of Africa and Latin America need some heavyweight support. Additionally, there’s another NH winter to come and such is the state of power generation in Europe that even a “normal” winter could harden public opinion against the ecoloons. There’s plenty of time for the sceptic nations to get your acts together and leave the warmists with no alternative but kicking the can down the road. Excelsior!
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scaper, You seem to have the ear of someone..
please let them know.. NO ETS under any circumstances, not even on the never-never. !!
Even if it means the Direct action plan doesn’t go through. !
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I want them to send me, Jo Nova and Bob Carter
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Wouldn’t it be sad, if they organised a party, arranged the catering, booked the entertainment, hired a venue, sent the invitations … and nobody came?
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I would so love that!
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Let Mr Shorten attend…paying his own way.
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All the cross benchers except Xenophon????? Trying to keep a cleanskin are we???? Chicken s—!
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Nice time to get sick Nick??
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No, he fell ill and could not attend the Senate today. If he could he would have voted for the repeal.
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Then I better withdraw my remark Mr Speaker. Ahem.
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Senator Xenophon was reported as being admitted to hospital yesterday after complaining whilst in Senate, of feeling ill.
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Athena:
Understandable. Many people have been sick of the goings-on in the Senate lately.
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I imagine that his brain could have been injured while trying to escape Milne’s dissonant, doomladen filibuster.
Not sure that I could sit in the Senate without bursting out in laughter at the nonsense that Milne spewed forth.
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Take a bow Ms Jo Nova!
You were very important in this.
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I take my hat off to Tony Abbott who is proving to be a very good Prime Minister despite all the nastiness that has been thrown at him.
First he stopped the boats. Now he has axed the tax. Next is his third promise… to fix the budget.
Good on him.
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“Next is his third promise… to fix the budget.”
That one will be much harder.
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Yep, the economy is way more ****** up than even the carbon tax was.
Thanks to the imbalance between spending and income created mostly during the last Lab/Green non-government.
Getting real spending cuts through the Senate, and redressing the imbalance is going to take some serious hard yakka. !
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Griss,the hardest part of fixing the budget will be cutting the welfare,people won’t like losing their free money.BTW have you had your last image change?
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That’s my “morning” image. 🙂
But seems to suit for most of the day as well 🙂
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I just hope that no-one claims copyright !
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I can’t imagine anyone else wanting it,makes you look like an unwashed gangreen(son of milne).I’m terribly sorry,that was just tooooooo harsh!
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Very Harsh, but
Such is life ! 🙁
What colour should I be ? Blue ?
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As long as you’re a red blooded Aussie,the exterior colour does’nt matter.
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Colour change !! 🙂
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You can leave the blue colour Griss,it contrsts well with whatever you call my colour.Sorry about the delay,I had to w w w w w wworrrk.
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Congratulations Australia. Your country is leading the world in good sense. I’m in the USA, if only we had 1/2 of Australia’s intelligence and moxie.
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You can’t have a half of Australia’s intelligence, because it is borrowed from the Kiwis … 🙂
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Ay bro…
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You want something, cuz …?
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Yeah f###ing for being here, it’s bloody well freezing – now the carbon tax is gobne things might warm up a bit.
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We got a queue of brass monkeys down at the local garage, wanting to know if they do welding.
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Another one who doesn’t know the origin of that saying.
Clues; British army, iron cannon balls, coefficient of expansion (or contraction in this case).
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That explanation has been thoroughly discredited.
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It was naval ships which had the brass monkey to hold the cannonballs.
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If you take the time to research that, you will find it has been discredited. There were no such thing as “brass monkeys” on ships.
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A bit before my time, old boy, if you get my drift.
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Lead on brass – probably solder not weld.
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If it hadn’t been so long ago we would have remembered.
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The “monkeys” on British ships were young boys (short enough to stand upright and run in the narrow space of the gundecks) who carried the shot and sacks/ cartridges of gunpowder from the magazine to the gun crews. That’s where we get the term “powder monkey”, though originally they were just “monkeys”.
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“because it is borrowed from the Kiwis”
A long time ago.. and the Kiwis never got it back.. 😛
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I’ll settle for 1/2 of NZ’s intelligence and moxie.
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I’d settle for half of Niew Zilland – you got change for a tenner, Rereke?
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It’s inn the Chilly Bin cuz….
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Hmmmmm… repeat after me “it’s in the esky, mate.”
Now you try.
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All those half-wits left behind in NZ must be feeling peeved.
Question- how many peevish half-wits make a wit?
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Sorry all- So sorry all- couldn’t resist (moral fibre challenged)!
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That’s the way. Get your claims in early!
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RW,the best thing about something borrowed is that you can give it back when you find it to be useless.
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Bumper sticker seen immediately following Barry’s first victory:
One
Big
Ass
Mistake,
America!
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Joanne,
Yes. great news. Thanks to you and to everyone who has worked so hard for over 8 years on this.
I sent an email to Tony Abbott:
Joanne, and all those who have worked so hard for this for so long, and for the betterment of all Australians (whether they realise it or not), THANK YOU!
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Been looking at some leftist blogs.
Ah, the sound of watermelons exploding is such a sweet victory.
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The contents of all their ecobags have just shifted – explosively.
Now they get to clean up the real mess they made, their own deleterious diarrhea.
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You’re made of sterner stuff than I scaper…
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WELL DONE AUSTRALIA !! ( from a Kiwi )
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Nice one OZ,can you rub a bit of that off on our N.Z. Govt. Please. We can do without the emissions taxing scam.
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Have not seen anything about this on the NZ tele and nothing positive in the paper. Seems NZ media is even more under the Green/Labour thumb than OZ.
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Congratulations en masse to You all. Finally sense takes over in a major Country, which one(s) will come next? I know, sadly, of one that will NOT be 1st in line… and it has a blue-yellow flag is situated on the other side of earth…
Really GREAT news! Thanks! 😀
Brgds from Sweden
/TJ
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Thojak, I have a distant cousin in Sweden that won’t return e-mails since we argued about AGW. He definitely had a dose of brainwashing by authority.
I’m guessing Sweden will be one of the last to get off the CO2 warming train.
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Now Australia really does lead the world!
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Absolutely made my day it has, been sweating on this bloody senate for days and what goes on there is embarrassing to Australia. It goes back to five years ago when our activities reached a tipping point inside the coalition. Yes that’s right – we killed off Turnbull, Rudd, Gillard – only Abbott has made his bed right here, now we stand back and let Shorten do it to himself. And it just occurred to me we beat them at their own game. The Greens have always stalked the senate to wield disproportionate power, but that is where we got them. Cross benchers with their heads screwed on! They would not have existed without sceptics, and Jo I expect to see a book in a few years.
With full respect to WWII participants, this is the defeat they couldn’t have, the lives on the line were in the third world –
Never before, in the field of human conflict, was so much owed, by so many, to so few.
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Heads explode at The Conversation, at this link.
Incidentally, I thought of offering the Niger Post to them to see if I could get an opinion on that. However, it states in their blurb to prospective authors that the writer:
I guess the truth can only come from those exposed to the public teat.
Tony.
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I wonder how they define, “Research Institution”?
We do research, and I can set up and register an institute in a week … hmmm … if the governing body was also registered as a charitable trust, all donations would be tax deductable … hmmm?
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RW,add in your own union and a religious branch,then you won’t have to worry about tax.You could research corruption.
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Re The Conversation….
Not only must the respondents also be academics or something similar –theoretically- but they must be of the right stuff politically—and that’s of the Left, and preferably sickeningly sycophantic .
After awhile, a respondent who attempts to answer the all-Left authors—especially at the Environment and Energy section—providing facts, evidence and information as a counter to the lies and political vilification of the government—- finds him/herself banned–censored out—never to take part again.
There’s plenty of name-calling, smear and vilification at The Conversation—people who indulge in that appear to be very welcome and have no trouble at all, because they’re spruiking the CAGW or other Left wing dogma—but anyone who questions CAGW etc and does it with evidence and facts, is out on their ear—even though, directly or indirectly, they are paying for the whole thing.
The Conversation is—almost pristinely—–kept as the preserve of the Left—just another example of The Long March of the Left through the Institutions.
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Gatekeeping, TonyfromOz.
Unwritten: Or a member of their “editorial” staff.
The danger of becoming corrupted by thinking and experience rooted in reality is substantial.
The Conversation is no more than an exercise in creative writing; in a venue pretending to be credible. Which it cannot be if it keeps out those who are not of like mind or occupation.
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I tried to post a reply to the “obituary” for the “carbon” tax at “The Conversation, as follows:
“It looks as though Australian academe is at odds with the Australian people. Global warming to date, as the mean of the RSS and UAH global-temperature datasets, has occurred at half the central near-term rate (equivalent to 1 K in 35 years, or two-thirds of a Kelvin by now) predicted by the IPCC in 1990. After close to two decades with no global warming distinguishable from the measurement uncertainties (or 26 years on the RSS dataset), it may be wise to rethink the policy before calling for the introduction of another CO2 tax or an ETS. Better to redeploy the $1 billion a day now being spent by Western nations on climate change toward solving the real environmental problems: deforestation from Indonesia to Haiti, over-fishing of the oceans, encroachment on the habitats of endangered species.”
This surely reasonable and justifiable comment was deleted four successive times. Is one to infer that “The Conversation” is not a Conversation at all, but just another climate-communist propaganda website? I think we should be told.
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Christopher, You comment (in triplicate) appears to be posted (at least up to “it would be prudent for the Labor/Green coalition to think twice before reintroducing the tax.”
http://theconversation.com/obituary-australias-carbon-price-29217
The page tells me that your comments were posted 38 minutes ago, so 16 hours after your comments were published at this site.
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Absolutely. Skeptic comments will only remain there if they think they are a good target for ad hom, otherwise they will be promptly deleted.
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I was in Canberra with the Convoy of No Confidence in 2011. I saw and heard Tony Abbott say that he would repeal the Carbon Tax. He has delivered! 🙂
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Which convoy did you travel in? I was in the yellow convoy.
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From Adelaide, it was the purple convoy.
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We most probably met but I’m no good retaining so many names.
You’ll remember this
I’m the guy flying the flag on an extension pole standing next to Bob.
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And he didn’t lie, which only goes to prove that you cannot trust a politician — they are just not reliable.
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Did you mean re-lie-able? Almost all are, of course.
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Great news! however the left is still trying to thwart Abbott at every turn, this insistence on the bill including a requirement to pass on the savings when the Gillard govt had massive penalties in place for any business that raised prices due to the carbon tax in the first place! Also their subsequent squashing of any moves to fix the deficit that the country is in, I remember the payment for the purchase of some American fighter was delayed by the Gillard/Rudd govt by two years to remove it from the forward estimates so the budget didn’t look so bad, if they’d scrapped it that would have made some sense but they just wanted to hide the expense!
Cheers
Greg
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Greg,
Actually it was Clive Palmer (PUP) that insisted on that requirement. It caused the delay from last week to this week. The provisions were already there, but Clive wanted to show how important he thinks he is by delaying the vote until the provisions were “strengthened”.
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Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead. 😉
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Reuters’ one-sentence report (at time of posting):
17 July: Reuters: Matt Siegel: Australian parliament repeals carbon tax, emissions trading scheme
The Australian Senate voted on Thursday to scrap the country’s carbon tax and plans for emissions trading, a major victory for conservative Prime Minister Tony Abbott that leaves uncertainty about how Australia will meet its carbon reduction goals…
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFS9N0OD02820140717
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carbon is the building block of all life on Planet Earth !
Australians do not want to reduce it !!!!!!!!!!!
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Let’s hope the world media is not suppressed on this one. It’s going to be interesting to see just how much ‘they’ have infiltrated these institutions.
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Sincerest congratulations to all my friends down under for grabbing that brass ring of skepticism.
Now take the damn thing way into the outback and bury it someplace so far away and so deep it will never find its way home.
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Never again can a country try to impose hair shirts on their people by saying the rest of the world is also acting on the greatest Ponzi scheme ever inflicted on mankind.
Australia has opened the gate.
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Thanks for everything you are doing Anthony!
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While today is a great day for us, we realise the fight is not over and we have a duty to help those nations still in the jaws of rampant climatism back down from that position. That of course includes your own nation Anthony. The USA needs to be strong and free. Australia is of course a bit player, and probably no-one cares but still I hope that we have set some sort of example for other nations to follow and that we might embolden those who oppose this dogma.
In particular, I hope someone mounts a constitutional challenge to Obama’s misuse of the EPA since in my opinion trying to drive the USA back to a preindustrial (freezing) climate, while making heating too expensive and driving pensioners into fuel poverty is about the same as waging war on your own senior and poor citizens.
The citizens of Australia have prevailed and their will has been done, and so can you.
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Bobl,
We knew the decision needed to be made now so we voted in Liberal, The US had their chance but instead of voting for Ron Paul to go up against Obama they chose the idiot whats his name. Granted Die bold and election fixing are par for the course over there (most corrupt in the developed world) the people allowed it to happen. They only have themselves to blame.
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The Republicans in the US need to embrace the tea party, they are so afraid of the left machine that they think all reason is dead, the old school republicans fear what the tea party would do. Instead they need to come together and build the small government, low tax, and freedom based ideology into republican principles in a way that traditional republicans will support.
We all know how Obama pulled off a second term, and what protects him from impeachment… and it’s not his IQ. I think the USA needs our support, and we should contribute as much as we can to their success as ours, even if they were stupid enough to give Obama a second term.
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Please remember it was the “other” half that voted for oblamer; the dumb liberal progressive half
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I think what they did to Osama is a better solution. Burial at sea where there is no resting place and it will never be found.
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“Now take the damn thing way into the outback and bury it someplace so far away and so deep it will never find its way home.”
Don’t we have to go to NZ and Mount Doom to destroy the ring?
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Admissions that the 3 years of GREENLABOUR’s carbon(sic) tax has FAILED:
• “Climate change, once considered an issue for a distant future, has moved firmly into the present.”
• President Obama: “This is not some distant problem of the future. This is a problem that is affecting Americans right now.”
• “U.S. Climate Has Already Changed, Study Finds,” declared the New York Times.
• “U.S. Climate Report Says Global Warming Impact Already Severe,” said the Washington Post.”
※ ※ ※
It can be safely reported that future weather/climate today, in Coolangatta is normal, despite the rescinding of the carbon(sic) tax.
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Has anyone noticed the irony of a spotless sun today? Right in the middle of the solar cycle it suggestive of future cooling.
Sarah Hansen-Young (Greens) tweeted an apology to her grandchildren. Mine are going to be thankful that their parents can now afford to keep the winter heaters on a bit longer at night.
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Thanks Brent.
She has no grandchildren yet. Her one child is only just 7 years old.
By the time she has grandchildren who could possibly read this tweet, it will most probably be more than thirty years old at the soonest.
If Twitter still exists then, and if her grandchildren can access it, it will be thanks to an electrical power system she hates with a passion.
This takes cynicism to an all new level.
Tony.
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And in thirty years time when history vindicates common sense – any grand children will probably ask her why she was such a [snip].
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Given that her tweet, send by radio, is at that time being read by aliens 30 light years away, and they are asking “plkazk wtf koxonl moron…????”
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See, the English language IS derived from many other languages!
Tony.
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I once won a game of scrabble with “plkazk”, it’s Martian for breadknife.
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“Barkengrowlenschnappenhausen”
East German for “Dog Kennel” 😉
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“If Twitter still exists then”
If SHY is still alive.. there will still be at least one twit !!
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[SNIP Jo]
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Quote:
“The Greens believe our fragile planet cannot cope with nine billion people and the consumption of natural resources that it would entail.
We believe Australia must contribute to achieving a globally sustainable population.”
http://greensmps.org.au/portfolios/population
. . .
Sarah Hyphen-Bung won’t be having any children soon, lest she betray her principles.
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The Low Procreation Band of the UN Population Survey, the only one that’s ever been close to accurate, now projects a peak at about 8bn in about 2045, falling indefinitely long thereafter. De-population and aging is going to be the challenge. Do androids dream of electric sheep?
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I do admire anyone who can quote PKD.
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The version with Ford narrating was the best version.
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I think that was the director’s cut, I got both and I would agree.
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Tie those tubes – Oh no it’s too late!!!
Is it just me or are we all a bit indulgent atm??? Who gives….we have worn it and won….this thing is over. Hallelujah. I’m a non drinker these days but the Sail and Anchor Draft is flowing.
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Not quite, the RET is arguably more damaging than the CT so it has to go too, but the back is broken. Tomorrow, refrigerants can go from over $1000 a kg back to 50 bucks where they belong
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Tony,if her boat people have their way she is only TWO years off being a granny.
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The carbon tax laments “The older order changeth, yielding place to new. God fulfills himself in many ways. And soon, I suppose, I shall be swept away by some vulgar little tumour.”
Take heart O fallacious Tax that soon you will be joined with other fallen inglorious legislation in the abyss of shameful history.
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Joanne Nova, you had a big part to play in all of this. You are humble, but should be proud for all the work you put in to help accomplish this. Of course there are others, and there are many other “battles” to be won…
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So, Palmersaurus Vex has rolled over. Must have sucked all the publicity he thought he could out of this one.
Anyway, YIPPEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
Now what, Bill?
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Exactly, Shorten is now on a rack Abbott has a chance to attack the science if he chooses. It will be twenty years of no warming by 2016 – now that would be an interesting discussion wouldn’t it. You don’t even have to argue anything just let the cat out of the bag and have it run around the msm for a while. By the time that little fact was being thrown around down the local bar the whole movement will be shot.
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An interesting observation by a journalist in Canberra.
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Gaia approves, it seems.
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Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah!
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WHO ARE THE TRUE CRIMINALS?
<http://quixoteslaststand.com/2014/01/01/scotland-5-million-trees-chopped-down-for-wind-turbines-thats-whats-called-saving-the-planet/
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Greens hate trees, the carbon that feeds them and the birds that fly around looking for them until they get the chop.
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Siliggy, do you mean the trees get the chop or the birds get the chop, i.e. the ones that are “sacrificed” to the Green’s wind turbines? ;p
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Yes I meant the worship wheel sacrifices.
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Both, Liv .
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Or more simply…
The Greens Hate.
They don’t need specific targets – anything will do in a pinch.
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Liv, you ain’t kiddin’. The UK’s rarest bird, world’s fastest level flight flyer, spotted in the Hebrides, and is killed in full view of 40 bird-watchers by a small local windmill. (A white-throated needle tail, as it happens. )
The irony, however educational, is VERY painful.
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Link: http://www.itechpost.com/articles/10829/20130629/rare-white-throated-needletail-bird-killed-wind-turbine-onlookers-watch.htm
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a reminder of another sceptic battle being fought and, hopefully, eventually won. should it be won, it would hasten the dismantling of ground zero of the CAGW scam, namely the EU:
Youtube: UKIP Nigel Farage – Treating democracy with deliberate contempt July 2014
UKIP leader Nigel Farage addresses the European parliament after the appointment of Jean-Claude Juncker as President of the European Commission…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQzC5Y8Duzk
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The EU……
A failed experiment !!
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the UN….
A failed experiment. !
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Nigel Farage seems to be the lone campaigner in the European Parliament against the NWO.
He deserves a medal for his courage and integrity.
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So did Al Gore have a wasted trip ?? It would be nice to here that Clive Palmer got a back hander and therefore that has been wasted.
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Youtube 4’37: ‘The Parliament finally listened’: Abbott
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqkuwyRHWh0
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Just watched it and it makes you realize that Abbott needs an enemy. He has been lost on the landscape all year but Shorten has now given him something to swing at and he sounds far more comfortable. Tony is back?
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When Christine Milne said;
I wonder why she didn’t look at either. Maybe they didn’t suit her propaganda.
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It’s a long way back for Christine. She will die broken or rehabilitated, one or the other.
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She’s too far gone – my bet is on broken.
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just die,along with the rest of the warmist brigade would be preferable
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[SNIP.- Jo]
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No way should we imprison her and make her a martyr. She does more damage to the Greens left as a loose cannon.
Far better to remove the charitable status of Greenpeace, WWF, Australian Conservation Foundation etc. and make funding to them by the EU and UK governments taxable.
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[Steady on. snip – Jo]
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Agreed, any NGO that lobbies government or has links to political parties should not have tax free status.
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Its a great start.
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Champagne is in the fridge! This is a wonderful day! 😀
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***read all, especially if your pension fund were investing your money into Hydro Tasmania (if you don’t know, ask your funds’ manager):
17 July: News Ltd: Hydro dams run low for cash, Labor Senator claims
HYDRO Tasmania has put Tasmania at risk by drawing down water storages to capitalise on the carbon tax, says Labor Senator Anne Urquhart.
In debate on the impending repeal of the tax, Senator Urquhart told the Senate yesterday water levels in Gordon Dam were down to almost 20 per cent of capacity after Hydro sought to generate significantly more electricity while the carbon price was in place.
“The carbon price’s imminent repeal has provided an incentive for the Hydro to drain its dams to realise the windfall gains wherever it could,’’ she said…
“The concern I have is that the draw down of storage has risked future supply in the event of … below average rainfall conditions,” she said.
The Office of the Tasmanian Economic Regulator shows that since March, Hydro water storages have declined from 36 per cent (5208GWh potential power) to 27.5 per cent (3985GWh) on June 21.
Hydro exported 97GWh of electricity over Basslink in the week of May 21 compared with a long-term average of about 35GWh…
A Hydro Tasmania spokeswoman said Hydro had been pursuing a strategy to maximise the benefit of the fixed- price carbon period.
“The business carefully conserved water in its major storages, which has meant additional generation could take place to capitalise on the carbon price. This strategy has resulted in increased revenue, and increased returns to the state,” she said…
***The repeal of the carbon tax is expected to cost Hydro Tasmania up to $70 million because it makes increased revenue from higher electricity prices without having to pay the tax on renewable wind and hydro-generated electricity…
http://www.news.com.au/national/tasmania/hydro-dams-run-low-for-cash-labor-senator-claims/story-fnn32rbc-1226991548121
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Isn’t it strange the way the same story can take on an entirely different meaning without the ALP spin.
If I were the journalist, I would couch the story in slightly different terms.
“The tax on air provided an opportunity for SOE Hydro Tasmania to exact an additional welfare payment out of the mainland. Hydro monopolises the Bass Link, and the tax and RET has enabled the State (through Hydro) to make windfall profits from the distortion the tax and RET cause in the wholesale electricity market. The taxes have enabled the State to suck an additional $200M or so out of the mainland. This is not to place blame on Hydro. As an SOE it has a responsibility to optimise the returns on its assets. If Hydro has in fact been somewhat reckless in exporting power in recent months despite water storage draws, it has done so at the behest of the State’s energy minister.
The situation is not dire so long as rain continues at the rate that Tasmania has enjoyed since 2011. Much of Hydro Tasmania’s generating asset is in the form of “run of river” power stations which have no storage. If these facilities don’t operate, the water is “spilled” and no revenue occurs. Recent rains have enabled these to generate at their capacity. With rain forecast to continue at least through the winter, and a much reduced export demand, storage will no doubt return before summer. When the rain stops, Hydro will simply bring TVPS out of a winter sleep and supply at least 20% of the State’s consumption. Unfortunately this will require the use of natural gas which is currently being sold in Victoria. (Effectively and additional cost to the State). Nevertheless, until the RET is rescinded, the State can still hold the mainland to ransom due to the windfarms at Woolnorth and Musselroe Bay. If the RET goes, the only choice for Tasmania will be to remove the punishing restrictions on industry, particularly mining and forestry, or go begging.”
Now, that is just as much the Truth, the Whole Truth, and nothing but the Truth, as is the ALP hags story. It does have a slightly different spin though, wouldn’t you say?
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The great thing about the internet age and technology is that stupidity is documented. This site will later become one of the pillars of that record.
Not a single “sceptic” has the courage to even put on the record here that the “tax” was achieving what was said it would and the damage that opponents claimed would ensue did not. So add dishonesty and hypocrisy to stupidity.
At least JoNova has and will have the notoriety she craves so much. But not for what she thinks.
Enjoy the 15 minutes, Jo.
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Documentation goes both ways old boy but in this case the victors will not get to write the history, the planet will do this by adapting to any changes in the usual modus operandi as observed by the real skeptical scientists.
I would normally reserve some pity for fools like yourself but not today, today I laugh with derision at your childish tantrums and will relish every defeat that befalls your sick twisted cult.
Prepare to fight or flight you spineless cowards!
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“stupidity is documented.”
Yep, your moronic comments will be there forever, for your descendants to laugh at.
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Whoops!.. that is assuming anyone would be stupid enough, that you actually ever have any descendants.
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[snip] shes … not stupid enough to fall for this attempt at the world’s greatest Ponzi scheme!!
Cheers,
🙂 🙂 🙂
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It’s so easy to see what is just beneath the surface of Jo’s supporters with the smallest of scratches.
You must be so proud, Jo?
Those 40-something, white, male conservatives are just charming, eh?
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Aw hell, everything going along swimmingly and then someone throws a stereotype into the water.
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It’s the only argument [snip] has
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“Those 40-something, white, male conservatives are just charming”
Thank you, sweaty-pie.
Sure beats your pre-pubescent child-mind .!
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And just think.. in 30 or so years, you will be able to join the 40+ something ranks.
By then, you might also be charming. 🙂
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I’m offended by your racist rant. You are in breach of section 18c of the racial discrimination act. I demand an apology!
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beats the unwashed diseased hippies who love to leech off society, right chesty?
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As far as I’m concerned the carbon tax was a time bomb for the future. It has now been defused. My children and their descendants will not have to suffer a lower quality of life than their ancestors.
How many degrees of global warming was it again that Australia’s carbon tax prevented since it took effect?
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Ah, the Andrew Bolt argument – try to think for yourself – it’s not propagandist Andrew Bolt’s forte either.
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Ok Chester, as Australia is the top CO2 producer “per capita” (you guys like throwing that one around as well) multiply that .004 degree reduction over 1,000 years (Tim Flannery’s own figures) by about 100 (for the next top 100 CO2 producers – and that’s over compensating) and, fwaahhh, that’s at the most .4 degree in temperatur reduction over 1,000 years if the entire world went back to the stone age tomorrow morning.
Nice one, you could become royalty in your dystopian universe, they say in the land of the blind, a one eyed man is king.
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So you can’t answer it then??
So many propagandists just brush the question off as the ‘Andrew Bolt argument’ as a means of not having to answer the question.
Is it because the actual figure is so embarrassingly small? You would be comfortable with embarrassingly small things wouldn’t you?
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It’s the wrong question asked by a propagandist. it should be: How much will it reduce CO2 emissions thus preventing further and risky temperature rise in the future.
So obvious I’d have assumed it didn’t require pointing out.
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There is only one propagandist here.. and that is YOU. !!
Its all you have to offer, propaganda LIES and MISINFORMATION.
You know that the CO2 tax would not have ever reduce temperatures by even an infinitesimal amount.
……which is why you refuse to answer the question.
In fact, because the CO2 tax caused power intensive industries to close down, and we still need those products,
…. we have to now import more from China, India etc….
…. so the global CO2 almost certainly INCREASED because of the CO2 tax.
The stupidity of the CO2 tax, and all those who believe in it, is MONUMENTAL !!
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Only the wrong question because nutters like you don’t want to answer it.
So what you are saying is that we need to reduce CO2 to prevent temperature rise. So how much temperature rise will be offset by the ALP’s now defunct Carbon Tax?
Offsetting temperature rise is ultimately the goal, so it is a VERY relevant and correct question moron.
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Heywood.. you needed to use PAST tense, 🙂
now much temperature rise would have been offset……
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I stand corrected. 🙂
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Where is your evidence that atmospheric temperature rises is in any way linked with rising concentrations of CO2?
(Clue: there ain’t none.)
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Chester,
You advocate a Carbon Tax and an Emmission Trading Scheme, which are purely barren gestures and have no physical affect other than to transfer more profits into the accounts of your demons – Big Coal – and yet you argue against Direct Action which promotes the planting and growth of more trees, that through photosynthesis, actually reduce the CO2 ‘bogeyman’ by sequestering carbon in the soil and the plant itself, as well as releasing twice the oxygen into the atmosphere.
Hence the rainforests of South America being referred to as the ‘lungs of the world’.
If you want to do something that has a positive affect on the wellbeing of the planet you should put your own money on the line and take a journey to pickett the rainforests of South America and Indonesia against the onslaught of loggers.
You know loggers they’re the people that cut down rainforests to turn the timber into wood pulp and produce paper – like the paper you use all the time – the stuff with Tallyho written on it that you use when you light up a bit of ‘gunja’.
In fact if it wasn’t for you ‘pot heads’ continually cutting down hemp plants they would be removing more carbon and contributing more oxygen to the atmosphere.
You really are just another oxygen thief, Chester.
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Some people won’t remember this, but in 1989, then Prime Minister Bob Hawke pledged more than $500 Million to plant a BILLION trees before the turn of the Century.
Odd isn’t it?
When the left suggests it, it’s a good thing.
When the right suggests the same thing, all of a sudden it’s a turkey.
Tony.
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Chester,
why is it that religious believers like you never make any comments on Posts like the one at this link. I’ve always wondered.
Could it be that it’s just too embarrassing.
Isn’t it odd how only your old white males mention things like this, and how it’s only your old white males who think for themselves on matters like this, or is this also just your old white male propaganda?
The matters talked about in that Post are what your religion leads to, and yet all you have in response is abject silence, but then, why should you care eh!
There’ll be no response from you to this comment either.
C’mon, be brave. Tell us what you think. You snipe away at us in these Posts but never offer an opinion where it really counts.
Tony.
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Your poorly written post made no coherent points. You made no reasonable argument that the country’s needs could not be met by renewable/sustainable sources. why give them a power plant that will become obsolete and exceedingly expensive within a few years? Your post was written under the assumption that CO2 is not an issue – that’s just plain stupid and ignoring reality in preference to your religious-like belief that AGW is not happening.
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“why give them a power plant that will become obsolete and exceedingly expensive within a few years?”
Coal fired certainly WON’T do that.
Solar or Wind, will be lucky to be still working at all in 5-10 year.
Unreliable, irregular expensive power supply from wind and solar is NOT what the world needs.
Even you rely on RELIABLE, REGULAR, CHEAP coal, gas or hydro power, otherwise you wouldn’t be posting.
…… Or do you own a bicycle and are sitting there like a moronic hamster peddling like crazy.
And yes CO2 is an issue, we need to boost it up to 700ppm at least to help the biosphere become properly functional.
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Chester,
WTF
Tony.
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Tony,
Sometimes it’s better not to argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
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no countries needs can ever be met by renewable sources without nuclear power . you and your ilk need to get a grip on reality .there are many more important issues the finances directed at renewables could and should have been used for . the fact that co2 has caused no statistically significant warming for over 15 years and the combination or solar and oceanic cycles suggests we are entering a cooling period appears to be lost on you.
just stop and think for 1 minute about the possible consequences of decades of cooling compared to a small rise in temperatures over a century. every single mass extinction event in earths history involved cooling.
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We’ve been dealing with this where I work, a completely different situation but the same root cause:
You say:
However the problem is people like chester don’t think, their thoughts and opinions are handed to them and taken up without question for their own fear that the pack might reject them and they find themselves alone. Compound this with the fact that their sense of self is so fragile that they even considering that they might be wrong about something, even after facts and evidence has shown that they are wrong, is something they are incapable of. At some level they know it, they just can’t handle it.
Thinkers have always been individuals, not followers. Fortunately for me I never inherited the pack mentality.
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@Robert
Sheep never do – but they always bleat what they are told.
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No. But it would be too damning to their real goal to actually state it in an unguarded forum.
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I do. I’ve watched An Inconvenient Truth.
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Indeed Chester, your stupidity is documented, and this site will be evidence of that, not that anybody will really care about your opinions in the future.
Any tax that is intended to reduce consumption of anything, can only work if it is prohibitive to the point of causing suffering.
You only need to look at the tax on cigarettes, as a means of stopping people smoking, to see that. People have gone without food for their smokes, and in colder climates, some people are faced with the choice of dying of hypothermia, or starvation. Is that your vision of a just society?
I am prepared to go on record here to say that some homes for the elderly have lowered their level of heating, and sometimes turned it off entirely at night, in order to reduce costs. Costs created by increased carbon taxation. So it definitely achieving what it was intended to do.
But that is OK as far as you are concerned, isn’t it Chester? After all, they are old people, who have already had their lives, so they don’t really count any more, do they Chester. Better off dead, and out of the way, eh Chester. Like, they don’t even have access to the internet age and technology, do they, so they are silent voices, with opinions that wouldn’t matter, even it anybody could be prepared to listen.
So just exactly who is being dishonest, Chester, apart from you, in your denial of what life actually entails, so it is you that is hypocritical, and astonishingly stupid, and incredibly shallow.
Go back under your rock, Chester.
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The greenies’ contempt for old people is well illustrated in this article on the Crikey website.
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Dishonesty confirmed.
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Yes, we KNOW you are dishonest..
Thanks for the confirmation.
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You should not be so hard on yourself. Let others expose your dishonesty.
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Rereke Whakaaro
July 17, 2014 at 4:44 pm
@ #45.4
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My wife and I are 76 years old so I assume that passes as being one of the older generation.
We are on the pension, something we never wanted to be on as it is a burden for others who have to support us through their taxes, taxes which I might add I also have paid the odd few millions so through the income earning parts of my farming life.
And Rereke is dead right in what he suggests above.
We also turn off the main gas heating and any electrical power during the night in our small house in western Victoria and just use lots of blankets to try and stay warm through this quite cold winter, a much colder winter much more like the 1950’s and early 1970’s than during those winters of the last couple of decades.
And we turn off that heating because when I get those winter time gas and power bills it just destroys any idea we have of perhaps making some small savings to spend on a couple of things we would like to enjoy.
There are few if any take aways or excursions or restaurant meals affordable here any more as power and gas costs and medical coverage and so much else tears apart the fabric of one’s attempts to enjoy life’s small pleasures.
The bloody minded arrogance, stupidity, self delusion and total lack of feeling, consideration and empathy for others in less salubrious circumstances by the ignorant self appointed do-gooders and planet savers of the greens and the climate catastrophe cultists, [ see a couple of good examples above ] has led to the deaths of tens of thousands of the elderly in the UK and Germany and even here in Australia from having to make a choice as to whether they heat or eat.
The consequences are that an estimated 24,000 extra avoidable deaths amongst the elderly and poor from cold induced or related illnesses were predicted in the UK last winter.
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In Australia a Sydney University study from 2013, titled
THE IMPACTS AND CONSEQUENCES FOR LOW-INCOME AUSTRALIAN HOUSEHOLDS OF RISING ENERGY PRICES
This study about 160 pages long, goes into the increased energy prices impact on the Australian poor and elderly in considerable detail.
It makes a straight out mockery of the ideologically bigoted postulations of the ignorant self centred self righteous, utterly lacking in any semblance of empathy for anybody outside of their narrow minded selfs, the planet savers of the latte sipping green left who have and still are advocating diabolical personal and society and industry crippling increases in energy prices that have already been shown in europe particularly to have no perceivable or measurable effect whatsoever upon that essential, critical in fact to all life gas CO2 emissions or to global temperatures.
From the study above
[ quoted ]
Overview
The project is investigating the impacts for low-income households from paying higher energy bills. Why? There is no Australian research which presents a coherent picture of the circumstances of low-income households following the substantial increases in electricity and gas prices in recent years.
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Executive Summary [ extracts ]
There is limited understanding of the impacts and consequences for low-income households of the
substantive increases in household energy prices since mid-2007. The average increase in Australian
household electricity prices from 2007 to 2013 was nearly 83% with the highest experienced by NSW
households (108%) and the lowest average increase for those living in the ACT (71%).
This study provides a substantive evidence base of the lived experiences of low-income households
as a result of rapidly rising household energy bills. The study comprised: an online survey completed
by 372 respondents across Australia during the period 1 February to 30 November 2012; and, focus
groups and interviews conducted with 130 participants in the capital city and a regional centre of the
four most populous States during October and November 2012.
There has been anecdotal reporting by the media, welfare agencies, community organisations and
charities of the deleterious effects of rising energy prices. The findings of this study indicate the
nature of these damaging effects is widespread and systemic.
The well-being, health and lifestyle of low-income Australian households are suffering from the
cumulative effects of ever-increasing electricity bills over a sustained period of many years which has
compounded the circumstances of these vulnerable households.
Never or rarely leaving home, using only one room, shorter (or occasionally, no) showers, watching
less television, going to bed fully clothed (or early) to avoid the use of heating, families using a
common sleeping room when cold, rarely having friends or extended family at home to avoid using
cooking appliances and/or the room temperature being uncomfortable – these are some of the
‘strategies’ that low-income households have adopted to ‘manage’ their energy use as they
endeavour to control the size of bills. These actions are far more extreme than the commonly
promulgated measures to improve household energy efficiency.
As a result of cutting expenditure on essentials such as food and reallocating expenditure on other
items to be able to pay energy bills, and making relatively severe changes in household practices to
reduce the size of energy bills, these households are suffering physical discomfort, reduced physical
and mental well-being, loneliness and social isolation, strains within household relationships, and
distress about the social and emotional well-being of children.
The awareness of energy efficiency measures is strong and nearly all households have tried to
reduce their energy use in response to rising energy bills. Barriers to further reductions in energy
consumption are no financial capacity to afford energy saving appliances or household
repairs/improvements (which is most problematic for renters), the need for health-related use of
heating and cooling and life support equipment, and the presence of children. Households are
loathe to cut heating or cooling too much in case it affects the health of children or exacerbates
existing health vulnerabilities.
[ much more in this study ]
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And just for interest, a recent UK [ may 2014 ] study found that those who are the strongest advocates of forcing the reduction in energy use to “stop global warming” actually use slightly more energy per capita than those who don’t believe in the CAGW cult.
Savings, beliefs and demographic change
From the Executive summary;
Households that said the effects of climate change are too far into the future to worry them use less, rather than more, electricity.
However, this was largely due to their age: older households (over 65) were much more likely to say climate change is too far off to worry them, and also had lower energy use.
Re page 24
[quoted ]
Taken all together, householders who strongly agreed they were not worried about climate change because it was too far in the future in fact used less electricity rather than more, counter to the hypothesis that households concerned about climate change use less electricity.
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Rereke is right and the hypocritical green planet savers and destroyers of the poor and elderly as we see their advocates even here on Jo’s blog are now being seen for what they truly are.
And that is as supporters of a self centred ideologically based human destroying criminality not far removed from what we are seeing elsewhere in the world today amongst the fanatical criminality of an ideologically fixated and religion based terrorism.
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Ten thumbs UP!
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[No scaper, you should know that insults and bad language would not be acceptable, whatever format was used -Fly]
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Scaper, that’s not nice – and it’s a trifle muddled.
[Same goes for you Dave -Fly]
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Oops, now I see why the muddle. The ‘dahs’ join up on posting.
[And that one -Fly]
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damn it now i need to brush up on my morse code
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Gosh ??????
No wonder I couldn’t understand it – I thought it was Braille – doh!!!
Cheers,
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braille on a screen, now thats a challenge LOL
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You can get braille output devices for computers. They are best with text-only output, for obvious reasons.
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So what is Braille for “Hot do not touch”?
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Same as the braille for “wet paint”
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Some of he sailors involved in signals used to talk to each other in morse
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I thought they used flags, or at least colourful underwear.
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try semaphore.
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What on Earth are you talking about you moron? What exactly has the carbon (CO2) tax achieved other than increased prices on everything and destroyed Australia’s competitiveness? Are you trying to say that global warming has been averted because of Australia’s carbon tax? If so give yourself an upper cut!
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It was one thing to make such chicken-little claims before the measure was introduced – but you just confirm your total divorce from reality by making such idiotic and obviously dishonest claims after the event.
Are you *trying* to confirm the truth of my original comment?
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“Are you *trying* to confirm the truth of my original comment?”
No just confirming your stupidity …
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“Chester’,
The SCAM is over !
Sanity and honesty have finally prevailed.
YOU LOSE sucker !!!
GLOBAL WARMING IS THE GREATEST FRAUD IN HUMAN HISTORY !
carbon DIOXIDE IS PLANT FOOD AND NOT POLLUTION !!!
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In a recent post Jo claimed she completely disagrees with what you are saying and that all sceptics accept the vast majority of the science. Funnily enough she won’t take you to task though. I wonder why.
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If you want an echo chamber.. go to one of the alarmista sites. !!
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This is why I don’t like sarcasm. It can come back to bite you when simpletons read it.
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Keep wondering Chester. It just might keep you out of the debate.
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Suck it in Chester it is down hill all the way for your scamming mob.
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Could you include your full name so we can make it ‘concrete’?
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Jo has his IP address so if we need his name later on we’ll be able to get it.
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This site is indeed a pillar of the record.
And the carbon tax has indeed achieved what it set out to do.
Increased the price of electricity.
Shut down our aluminium industry.
Interfered for years in the planning for future power supplies, thereby maximising costs.
And, even with the limited period of its operation, it has caused changes that will increase the price of electricity for years to come. The lowest cost production is always the marginal production. The marginal consumption has been wiped out, so cost per unit production must be higher than it was. It will be impossible to recover all of the the losses that have been inflicted. And that is why the ALP and Greens stretched the repeal out for as long as they possibly could.
As for CP, global carbon traders are calling his shots. They have got his personal business by the short and curlies.
Tonight’s news tells us that CP will agree to Tony Abbott’s direct action plan if TA agrees to his emissions trading scheme.
BLOODY MARVELLOUS!!! Dump both!
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Hey Chester.
Billions of dollars of taxes on Australia people and businesses, extra federal government agencies with thousands more bureaucrats, businesses closing and businesses moving off-shore.
All to save 0.000463933% of the worlds CO2 output.
Document that.
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You mean like other news on this very day that Ocean Power Technologies scrap wave-power project near Portland
And that their stock plunged 23 per cent to $1.18 following the announcement – the lowest since its initial US public offering in 2007.
Environment Victoria chief executive Mark Wakeham said slumping investment in renewable energy projects and the carbon tax repeal were creating doubt on projects such as hydro-power generation.
In the six months to June, Mr Wakeham said, about $40 million was invested in large-scale renewable energy projects compared to almost $2.7 billion last year.
“The government is really putting the brakes on the renewable energy industry,” he said. “The playing field is now going back in favour of existing polluting generators.”
Just documenting some of that stupidity, OK . . .
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She gets half an hour thanks to you. LOL – do you always pwn yourself?
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Congratulations to science! There is hope for humanity yet.
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Well done you folks down under. I wish we had the same sanity return to the UK, with the repeal of the Climate Change Act 2008. But it isn’t going to happen – we in the UK are all doomed to continued insanity.
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Phillip, you can always emigrate to this great country.
Just write on your application…climate fraud refugee.
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don’t come by boat though or acaper’s mates will lock you in Nauru.
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Meant thumbs down, not up.
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That’s right Mattb, Phillip is best advised to make his application in an orderly manner in compliance with Australian law at the Australian consulate, and to come by aeroplane, handing his passport to customs at the border to have it stamped on the way in, and not risk a 10% chance at death by coming by boat only to get sent to Nauru or PNG.
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The world is watching, darlin’, and Oz is our envy. Well done, you lot. Good on ya.
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Christine Milne= The devil.
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Shhhhhhh! She’s doing well!
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Hoooooray is all I can say!
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…and having shouted my instantaneous Hooooray,
I wish to add a Big Thanks to indefatigable Jo!
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O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
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http://www.sott.net/article/281987-Large-crater-appears-in-Siberian-peninsula
Large crater appears in Siberian peninsula
Mysterious ‘gigantic’ hole in remote region spotted by helicopters over gas-rich Yamal peninsula.
Siberian Sinkhole_1
© Konstantin Nikolaev
The crater is large enough for several Mi-8 helicopters to fly into it.
The striking puncture in the earth is believed to be up to 80 metres wide but its depth is not estimated yet. A scientific team has been sent to investigate the hole and is due to arrive at the scene on Wednesday.
The cause of its sudden appearance in Yamal – its name means the ‘end of the world’ in the far north of Siberia – is not yet known, though one scientific claim is that global warming may be to blame.
There is additionally speculation it could be caused by a space object – perhaps a meteorite – striking earth or that it is a sinkhole caused by collapsing rock beneath the hole caused by as yet unknown factors.
The giant hole appeared close to a forest some 30 kilometres from Yamal’s biggest gas field Bovanenkovo. Experts are confident that a scientific explanation will be found for it and that it is not – as one web claim suggested – evidence ‘of the arrival of a UFO craft’ to the planet.
A report and footage highlighted by Zvezda TV says the dark colour of the crater indicates ‘some temperature processes’, without explaining more what they may mean. Others say that the darkening around the inner rim indicates its formation was accompanied by severe burning scorching the edges.
Some observers believe water or dry soil is seen falling into the cavity.
Siberian Sinkhole_2
© The Siberian Times
Siberian Sinkhole_3
© The Siberian Times
There is agreement that soil around the hole was thrown out of the crater, large enough for several Mi-8 helicopters to fly into it – not that they have.
The expedition organised by the Yamal authorities includes two experts from the Centre for the Study of the Arctic and one from Cryosphere Institute of the Russian Academy of Sciences. They plan to take samples of soil, air and water from the scene.
They will be accompanied by a specialist from the Emergencies Ministry.
A spokesman for the ministry’s Yamal branch ruled out a meteorite but said it was too early to say what cause the gigantic hole in the earth.
‘We can definitely say that it is not a meteorite. No details yet,’ said a spokesman.
Initial reports and images were suspected to be fakes, but the hole is a real phenomenon and it is believed to have been formed around two years ago.
Engineer Konstantin Nikolaev from Yugra is one of those to have filmed it from a helicopter.
Anna Kurchatova from Sub-Arctic Scientific Research Centre thinks the crater was formed by a water, salt and gas mixture igniting an underground explosion, the result of global warming. She postulates that gas accumulated in ice mixed with sand beneath the surface, and that this was mixed with salt – some 10,000 years ago this area was a sea.
Global warming, causing an ‘alarming’ melt in the permafrost, released gas causing an effect like the popping of a Champagne bottle cork, she suggests.
Given the gas pipelines in this region such a happening is potentially dangerous.
Siberian Sinkhole_4
© The Siberian Times
Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug.
Siberian Sinkhole_5
© The Siberian Times
In the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug.
Sights of Yamal
© Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug administration
Sights of Yamal – aerial view of tundra, road to Bovanenkovo gas field, opening ceremony of the Bovanenkovo, and reindeers.
The Yamal Peninsula in the Yamalo-Nenets Autonomous Okrug is a strategic oil and gas bearing region of Russia.
It is Russia’s main production area for gas and the Bovanenkovo field is of central importance to gas supplies from Siberia to the world.
The gas field was discovered in 1972 and developed by Gazprom starting production in 2012. The Yamal peninsula is bordered by the Kara Sea – Baydaratskaya Bay – to the west, and the Gulf of Ob on the east. It extends some 700 kilometres over mainly permafrost.
The area is famous for its reindeer herds and migratory birds.
The Nenets and Khanty reindeer herders hold about half a million domestic reindeer.
The remains of ancient woolly mammoths have been found in this enchanting territory.
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Wait!!!! global warming has struck another blow????
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Some reports suggest this might be a hoax….
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Maybe it’ll turn into one of these?
The Gates of Hell in Turkmenistan (has been burning for 40+ years).
Cheers,
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Has anyone thought of something extra-terrestrial. After all, I read yesterday that NASA believes it will track down and encounter life out there in the universe within twenty years(provided adequate funding of course).So maybe these guys, things, non-things got here first and burrowed in like wombats or moles. Maybe just maybe this is the big discovery. I really hope they like us?
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THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED !!
GLOBAL WARMING IS BS !!!!!!
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Not just a Tax overturned, but a triumph over human stupidity.
Is it worth a National holiday ? Probably not yet, but in years to come when the folly averted comes to be fully realised, maybe..
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OT,
But i assume Jo already knows about this fact?
Its solar max so lets play the spot the sun spot, can anyone find it?
http://spaceweather.com/images2014/16jul14/blank.jpg?PHPSESSID=oabi8sphluuce0coeogoum62j1
here it is for those that cant
http://spaceweather.com/images2014/17jul14/hmi1898.gif?PHPSESSID=oabi8sphluuce0coeogoum62j1
But never fear the good doctor and his wife have used flawed data (not svalgaards data so hence it is flawed) and it is going to get fu….sigh very hot very soon just like in Winnepeg which had its coldest July 13th since 1884 then perhaps we wont have idiots like this
http://iceagenow.info/2014/07/coast-guard-rescues-mariner-sailboat-trapped-arctic-sea-ice/
and to cut short any green moron out there here is barrow alaska
http://iceagenow.info/2014/07/barrow-sea-ice-webcam/
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I want last years money back! Yes so they say Ill save $175 per/annum on my power bill..well I want last years refund and my petrol bill refund for the criminal fraudlent tax they just repealed.
But well done Canberra for once, probably wont last. Of course they never realise the idiotic reasoning behind it in the first place.
Maybe somebody may rethink investing in Australia again, instead of looking for the exit doors.
I also just heard Tony A. say an emissions trading scheme is a tax by another name..yes Tony hope you stick to that reasoning and and not get Palmeritis!
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you did get a lot of compensation though. It’s not actually cost you anything.
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MattB,
I wish i could swear on this site but Jo does not let me, so lets get one thing straight if you earn a medicore income you got jack shit the only people that benefited from the carbon tax was the unemployed read “Aussie battler” which of course was/is the labor heartland. DO NOT insult me or my “fellow travelers” with that BS.
[Hope you are happy with the minor edit crakar – mod]
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Dear Mod,
I find your editing of my comment to be highly satisfactory, thank you for your patience, in my defence i contend the incessant gibberish from MattB , coupled with my slight inebriation brought on by my desert isolation to be the cause of my indiscretion.
I will continue to work hard at improving my disposition to [snip] in the future.
Faithfully yours
Crakar24
[Ha ha – Mod]
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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo,
With a slight edit i will try again
Dear Mod,
I find your editing of my comment to be highly satisfactory, thank you for your patience, in my defence i contend the incessant gibberish from MattB , coupled with my slight inebriation brought on by my desert isolation to be the cause of my indiscretion.
I will continue to work hard at improving my disposition to dip (sticks) in the future.
Faithfully yours
Crakar24
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Crakar I noticed yesterday that you can call someone d[snip] head if you want to.
[sure you can always call someone d head. I think richard or ricardo is classier] ED
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Mods i have two comments awaiting moderation please delete rather than post
thankyou
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Lets try that again, MattB i think you will find the only people that profited from the carbon tax where the unemployed and the low income earner ergo the labor voting base. I earn a modest income and gained nothing so please do not talk (need to be careful here) rubbish.
There that should get through the filter i think.
Cheers
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So, Mattb, you are saying that a tax is okay if much of the money taken in tax is returned to those who paid the tax (by whatever labyrinthine schemes bureaucrats can dream up)? Surely, even you should be able to see that it would be far more efficient to let the people keep their own money!?
Of course, should you actually want to keep these leeches living it up at your expense, I doubt that there is anyone here who would wish to stop you volunteering to send your money to them.
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RR,
Slight correction if you dont mind, the sche(am)me took money from those that could afford it and handed it to those that could not. This very fact tells you the whole thing was a sche(am)me to begin with, the fact that MattB does not realise this simply reinforces just how fu….sign stupid he is.
To the very astutewho are new to this site you may have noticed by now that i dont like MattB and to those i owe an explanation, the reason why i dont like this person is because this person (mods, i really am trying you know) in response to the information that the carbon tax would increase the cost of heating for the elderly was that they should “put on another jumper”. Such is there level of humanity.
Cheers
crakar24
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Crakar is right about that, Mattb was quite content that pensioners would have to die in order to acheive his 0.000024 degree reduction in warming in 100 years
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I’ve put on layers and layers of jumpers and wrap up in blankets to try to keep warm in this poorly insulated house that we are renting. We are can pay for logs for the highly inefficient stove and to use the reverse cycle AC but are still cold. Heaven help the old and poor who can’t, both here and in the UK , and the USA too.
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Mattb,
No one was compensated.
The energy retailers merely put their prices up to compensate for the loss of unit sales, which strangely correlated with the amount of compensation provided plus some.
The tax acheived jack all other than to inflate base energy costs thereby forcing consumers to use less.
There is a lower limit for energy use beyond which modern day societies can’t survive and still maintain appropriate health and welfare.
So whilst we can’t use less than the minimum required for our survival we can stop spending on disposeable income on products that employ others.
That’s when the wheels fell off manufacturing and industry and the artificial figures decreed the carbon tax a success in lowering consumption.
The real hell of it is that this continent naturally sequesters more CO2 than is produced on it, all the Labor?greens have acheived is bankruptcy for the next generation.
Oh and your AAA rating – for the record – it’s the finance company telling you your a preferred client and then lending you more than you can afford to repay – we are almost in that situation now with 1 billion dollars a month going out in interest payments.
I billion a month dead and wasted instead of building hospitals, schools, infrastructure.
Nice going Mattb.
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In fact it is worse than you thought!
“Within minutes of the Australian parliament voting to scrap our carbon tax today, one of our major coal-fired electricity generators issued a profit warning announcement.
(You’ve got to love the ASX. Listed companies here must publicise anything which has a material impact on profits – favourable or negative)
In this case, AGL Energy announced its pre-tax profits will fall by $186 million in 2014/15 solely due to the removal of the carbon tax. The majority of this is related to the very large, but inefficient Loy Yang brown coal station which supplies 30% of the power needs of the state of Victoria.
Loy Yang, on AGL’s own figures also released today, emits 50% more carbon dioxide than the average of Australia’s power generators. It’s amongst the single biggest emitters of CO2 in Australia.
Yet it was due to get $242 million of “Government assistance” under the carbon tax arrangements this year. Most of which found its way to the bottom line.
Go figure.”
Source – AGL Energy Limited 17 July 2014
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Im sure that the ASX uses a randomly chosen divisor number just like the DOW uses (they change it every few years or less, makes the US stocks looks better even in a giant crash no true value here)..its a giant ponzy scheme.
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your tax free threshold went from about $16k to $21k (effective)
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/carbon-tax-compensation-for-families-with-200-top-up/story-fni0fit3-1226667807654?nk=ee6ec1c18eff6af97d61fa97368476a1
http://www.grantthornton.com.au/Issues-and-Challenges/Carbon_Scheme/Compensation.asp
http://www.news.com.au/finance/money/lump-sum-for-families-to-ease-carbon-tax-pain/story-e6frfmd9-1226321241700
http://www.carbontax.net.au/category/how-will-the-carbon-tax-affect-me/
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Mattb,
Tax Free Threshold?
Another Labor scam – the tax brackets were all adjusted and are more severely subject to bracket creep in the real world it’s called writing the figures around.
The majority of income earners have just read their latest pay slips to find a hefty tax increase – about $50 to $100 per week in most cases.
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Actually I got NO compensation, and compensation only covered direct costs, not the flow on effects in the economy which was about 1.5%, so if you spend 1000 a week let’s say the indirect cost to you was over $22 a week or more than $1144 per annum plus the direct impact on your electricity bill, but the compensation – assuming you were on benefits and could get it was what – 200 bucks.
Unfortunately though, in QLD the government preemptively moved to keep the carbon tax for themselves by increasing our electricity 13.7 percent, dunno how we are going to get our money back after that.
Still, even given that, I’m glad it’s gone, it was a stupid regressive job killer.
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Just refrigerant cost alone multiplied 10 fold, $90.00 to recharge a commercial refrigeration unit went to $900.00, no wonder groceries and meat skyrocketed. Be hard for Coles and Woolies to bring that down with the profit gap they can see.
Thanks for increasing costs by 10% on every damn thing Labor/Greens.
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groceries went up by next to nothing you parrot.
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Keep parroting the ‘company’ line matt. You do look silly, but then that is apparently your purpose.
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Mattb,
You seem quite immature.
You obviously don’t pay for groceries and haven’t watched an average cart go from around $125.00 weekly to about $185.00 weekly (for 2 people)since the carbon tax was introduced.
When the cost of energy increases everything increases, including refrigeration, freight, lighting, and despite assurancces by Labor/Greens that those costs would not be passed on – because that was the way that was supposed to change the energy culture of the Top 1000, er 500, er Top substantial number of corporations through financial penalities for not getting on board.
What actually happened was – no penalties, but rather generous subsidies paid by the tax payer and going directly into profits while the increasing cost was passed on to the consumer.
Only a minority of consumers ever received a compensation package from the government, and to be clear, I know a great many people in all walks of life, all over the country and not one received any of the compensation.
As a matter of interest, sparked by your own zeolotry – just how much have you personally donated to say, entities such as the The Climate Council for instance – just to prove your bona fides, just to show you actually put your own money where your keyboard is – as you demand of everyone else when you very actively advocate Carbon Tax, Emission Trading Schemes, decarbonising the planet?
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Mattb,
Here is another question for you if you have no response to the previous, and this is promopted again by your own zealotry and your own claim of the Carbon Tax’s generous compensation:
How much Carbon Tax Compensation did you receive?
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you forgot to mention that any compensation was more than offset by the workers losing their jobs at the aluminium smelter’s, car industry and associated suppliers plus misc other companies that went bust due in whole or part due to the carbon tax.
Great return on compensation that.
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oh so you mean forgot nobody then.
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At the top of this story it says hat tip to “Matthew”….and that ladies and gents it is because for the last three days I have staked out the bloody senate from this PC and endured every bit of insane dribble the Greens and wimpering Labor senators(literally) have put out all week. After many venemous frustrated outbursts from me the vote was finally held and the numbers read. When it was I had a email sitting there ready to fire off to Jo. It read – tax gone, done deal, Milne will die broken or rehabilitated??
Australia is finally a leader.
And what confronted me most was Milne’s dishonesty and or delusion. The path they wanted to take us down was believing that Australia had some geographical zone of responsibility or influence climatically. If you want to save the reef…..if you want less bushfires….. These people are truly dangerous and all they really wanted was something to throw on their altar. And I’ve had too much to drink….
And all this crap about Australia missing it’s cue as an economic innovator?? They are proudly secular but they have fallen for the oldest religion of all.
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ah so your Matthew, tip to Jo best to use username rather than real name, thanks Matty-Perth for your perseverance.
regards
Crakar24
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Well done and thank you sir, your insights should be guest post here and then distributed to every media outlet to highlight what Australia and indeed the World’s population are up against.
The green brainwashing of our youth is quite disturbing as I found out today confronted by 3 young Greenpeace activists, this damage needs to be reversed.
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Thanks Matty, h/t amended. It’s hard to watch Q & A in Parliament. You’ve paid your dues!
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Jo maybe you should contact Andrew Bolt for a regular slot on the Bolt report,as I think he’d be more than willing to grant you such a thing. The more coverage the myth of a tax on carbon being beneficial gets the better.
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……and at 6.30pm, to mark this day, I enjoy a triple Gin and Tonic, with lots of fresh limes from my garden, sitting in the back yard of suburban Darwin. Its a lovely 27 degrees, and the carbon from the tonic water is bubbling away, off into the atmosphere, to do good things……ahhhhhhh!
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careful i nearly spilt my yalumba de cardboard cab sav all over my laptop when i read that next time please add a disclaimer: Funny joke follows or words to that effect.
And yes Darwin what a lovely place spent 3 years up there, best 3 years of my life enjoy it Aaron.
Cheers
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Yes !!
Best Birthday present I’ve had in a long long time.
Born, this day, 17th July, 1944.
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The Illegitimate Tax forced through by an illegitimate government, propped up by an illegitimate thief finally gets axed.
Fantastic!
And as for all this fringe dwellers who believed the ends justify the means, good job, how does it feel to know you just wasted your time and ran any environmental credibility that existed through the sewers in the process.
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Thank you jo and David,
Your excellent diligence and determination to uncover the truth and stand up for what is right is to be truly commended – as do the mods and the regulars here.
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I like many others couldn’t give a rats about the refund. Hell I’d have paid to get rid of all the bull tish that allowed twits to be so sanctimonious about something they knew nothing about. I am still amazed that so many educated people have fallen for the propaganda or haven’t bothered to pursue the matter themselves. It is a real wake up call for thinking Australians. We don’t expect a con of this size, nor do we expect our institutions to be so lacking back bone that they promulgate the government line even when their own knowledge says otherwise. Now I know why Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot were able to achieve such power. Scary, horrible reminder of man’s weakness.
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mem I don’t even think the refund factor will even come into it and the ALP know it. For all intents and purposes come 2016 it’s a big fat new tax. Shorten’s road just got a lot harder.
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Such frighteningly true words.
You are so lucky, in your isolated life in England’s more extreme southern counties; those of us closer to the “Mother of Parliaments” are still too aware of what a whore she has become, and the rats infesting it still hold too much sway for reality to raise its head in the UK – or the EUSSR. Somehow, I doubt the BBC will be announcing your results to anyone.
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Well, it seems I was wrong about Auntie. Even the critical comments have been left open (for now).
(Note to self – check facts before opening trap!)
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RR,
Stalin is reverred by the communist party faithful of the Labor party, the Labor unions during WW2 refused to move shipments to reinforce our troops thereby assisting Hitler and Pol Pot’s regime was formally recognised by the Hawke Labor Government.
I’d say Labor’s b;oated, grubby fingers are in any pie as long as it is for personal gain.
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Hey Maybe we could introduce a price on the colour green?
It’s as nonsensical as having a price on an element of nature (carbon)
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As Tim Blair said, CO2 is mainly oxygen so why not tax that?
Incredible journey this.
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Green tax…what a lovely idea ^_^..
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Maybe a green oxygen tax – it might prevent them from being oxygen thieves….
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I want a price on Greenpeace, they should pay the R&D benefit in reverse IE 1.25 X corporate tax rate since they oppose R&D
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excellent,
This was a non-solution to a non-problem.
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Reuters corrects a ranking, but not in the sub-heading! Lowy needs to withdraw the ridiculous poll, which no-one believed:
17 July: Reuters: Matt Siegel: CORRECTED-UPDATE 2-Australian parliament repeals carbon tax, emissions trading scheme
(Corrects ranking in paragraph two)
Australia axes world’s second biggest ETS before it starts
Embattled PM Abbott picks up a big political victory
Australia is one of the world’s biggest carbon emitters on a per capita basis and abandoning plans for the world’s third largest emissions trading scheme (ETS) after Europe and Guangdong, set to begin from 2015, is a major setback for global CO2 trading…
(LOL) Scrapping the carbon tax will be seized on by Abbott as a major political victory, at a time when support for his government has slumped following an unpopular budget in May, but the cost may be high.
Last month the Lowy Institute released a poll showing that concern about climate change amongst Australians was up nine points since 2012 and that 45 percent of adults think measures should be taken to prevent it “even if this involves significant costs”…
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL4N0PS0D420140717
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Mother Nature joins the sceptics’ party:
17 July: Bendigo Advertiser: Snow falls on central Victoria: Pictures, video
Snow could fall as low as 600 metres, possibly settling on the Dandenong and Macedon Ranges, Bureau of Meteorology senior forecaster Chris Godfred told The Age…
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/story/2423941/snow-falls-on-central-victoria-pictures-video/?cs=3372
17 July: Herald Sun: Snow falls on Yarra Ranges as wintry blast blankets Melbourne
And a winter wonderland was created at Savoia Restaurant Mont de Lancey in Wandin North, when heavy hail settled on the ground creating a picturesque sight this afternoon…
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/leader/east/snow-falls-on-yarra-ranges-as-wintry-blast-blankets-melbourne/story-fngnvlxu-1226992403038?nk=dc1ff7aa21a6e8cdaa0169c797ca37aa
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Because we only had the Carbon Tax for a short time, most people do not realise how close and deadly the bullet we have now dodged really was.
The Labor Government’s plan for the carbon tax was based on the assumption that the carbon price would increase every year by 5% plus inflation so the price would rise from $23/tonne in 2012-13 to an estimated range of between $106/tonne on the low estimates to $275/tonne on the high estimates.
How much it rose by depended on international action. The Government assumed that by 2015-16 there would be a global price on carbon. Treasury modelling was done based on a low, medium and high price.
Based on Treasury’s medium price assumption, the carbon price would rise to $131/tonne by 2050 (in 2010 dollars). If Inflation averaged say just 2% pa until 2050 then the price would be $345/tonne in 2050 dollar terms.
You can see these projections by Treasury in a report with the politically titled ‘STRONG GROWTH, LOW POLLUTION MODELLING A CARBON PRICE’ here.
Treasury also made projections about the increase in electricity price in Australia:
Table 5.14: ‘Average wholesale electricity price increases’, predicted rises of between 106% and 166% in 2010 dollars by 2050. That is in REAL terms above inflation. Imagine the impact of this on businesses particularly manufacturing.
Treasury obviously didn’t expect the full wholesale level increases to be passed on to consumers. They predicted in Table 5.15: ‘Average household electricity price increases’ would be between 33% and 51% above inflation with the introduction of the carbon price by 2050.
Source Imagine the impact of this on the cost of living!
There was an update to that report: ‘STRONG GROWTH, LOW POLLUTION MODELLING A CARBON PRICE UPDATE’
The Table 2: Headline indicators (Page 5), calculates the ‘Growth rate in fixed price period at 5 per cent per year plus inflation’ which is the medium scenario. This shows the carbon price per tonne CO2 rising from $29/tonne when International linking and ‘Unrestricted’ application starts from 2015-16, to $131/tonne by 2050 (in 2010 dollars).
You would think that this 570% increase in the carbon price from the starting price of $23 would attract the comment of at least one media commentator. But it appears none looked at the Treasury modelling which is why they were so ready to criticise the current Agricultural Minister Barnaby Joyce, when he said in 2009 that working mothers would not be happy when the price of the family roast went to $100.
Given farmers were initially excluded from the carbon tax, but would have been included when it went global, and assuming the Greens would never approve a GM cow or sheep which didn’t belch or fart methane, then $100 roast in real prices by 2050 was entirely conceivable.
The then Labor Government must have understood what impact the carbon tax would have on the spending patterns of consumers because of increased costs. Certainly Treasury modelling did. In the above referred table, using the mid-range Carbon Price, Treasury predicted that growth in Household Consumption would fall from the current 1.6% pa to just 1.1%pa. (Remember these figures are before accounting for inflation)
Imagine what it might mean to your lifestyle, or the lifestyle of the average family if their consumption growth dropped 31.25% year on year.
Treasury also predicted a fall in real wage growth from the current 1.9% pa in real terms, to just 1.0%pa. In other words, growth in real wages would plummet 53% from current annual wage growth.
We have certainly dodged a deadly bullet, I just don’t think the media commentator and the average citizen understands just how close it was!
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Certainly would however before that happened the population would have realised that at something like $1 per kWh or more, that it was in fact cheaper by far to generate ones own power, which costs just 25c per kWh using small modern diesel generators, in combo with solar. They also would realise as they are right now that burning biomass for heat is now becoming cheaper than heat pumps. This carbon tax would have them raiding the forests for heating fuel, especially in the south. Of course that doesn’t work for Aluminium smelters.
The problem is though with this “success” would come the inevitable collapse of the electricity network. Domestic demand is only about 30 percent of total, but domestic consumers pay almost 2 1/2 times what industrial consumers pay for power. The bulk of their income comes from domestic consumption. Since the domestic users and small business have long since switched to off grid solar and become self sufficient, the electricity vendors now need to recover their lost revenue from business. Business power rates would rise more than 5 times, industry would be utterly decimated, BHP would relocate to Africa and the electricity networks wouldn’t have these large revenue sources either.
This dream was always impossible
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can’t imagine South Korea will go ahead with an ETS now:
17 July: Business Korea: CO2 Blow to Revenues
“Annual Sales Revenues of Manufacturers to Drop 28% Maximum due to Emission Trading System”
he annual sales revenues of Korean manufacturing companies are expected to drop by a minimum of 8 to 29 trillion won (US$7.8 to 28.1 billion), when the emission trading system becomes effective. Lee Sun-hwa, a researcher at the Korea Institute of Local Finance, claimed such at the “Seminar for Emission Trading System and Subsidies on Low Carbon Automobiles” held by the Korea Economic Research Institute on July 16…
Some point out that the gross regional domestic product (GRDP) will decline due to the emissions trading system as well. This will inevitably hurt the regions with a lot of carbon emissions. Kim Young-duk, an economics professor at Busan National University, said, “By 2015, GRDP in the metropolitan area [Seoul and Gyeonggi-do] will drop 1.11 percent, in Gangwon-do 1.06 percent, in Jeolla-do 1.37 percent, and in Gyeongsangnam-do 1.53 percent. The employment rate will also decline by 3.14 percent in Gangwon-do, 2.63 percent in Jeolla-do, and 2.23 percent in Gyeongnam.” Park Gwang-soo, chief researcher at the Korea Energy Economic Institute, pointed out, “Low income households are more dependent on high cost petroleum products, and harder-to-cut fuel expenses. The emissions trading system will cause more burdens to low-income households by increasing fuel costs.”
http://www.businesskorea.co.kr/article/5496/co2-blow-revenues-%E2%80%9Cannual-sales-revenues-manufacturers-drop-28-maximum-due-emission
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Australia, leading the world back to sanity:
(4 pages)17 July: Reuters: REFILE-Global carbon market hopes fade as Australia dumps CO2 trading
By Naomi Tajitsu and Nina Chestney
The goal of a global carbon market to tackle climate change, once touted to reach $2 trillion by 2020, received a major setback when Australia on Thursday scrapped its planned carbon trading scheme, which would have been the world’s third biggest…
“There’s a realisation that linking … is not going to happen within the 2020 timeframe,” said Andrei Marcu, head of the Carbon Market Forum at the Centre for European Studies in Brussels, referring to when a new global treaty on emissions reduction is expected to begin.
Another looming setback to connecting markets and eventually setting a global price on polluting carbon is the possibility that New Zealand’s ETS, small but one of the first to be established, will be scrapped after a September election…
Currently there is no universal carbon price, each ETS operates under different rules and sets individual prices, ranging from around 20 U.S. cents to $45 a tonne, yet a tonne of polluting carbon in each country is the same…
“Linking the Australian to the European ETS could have been a catalyst for linking systems together,” said Ingvild Sorhus, an Oslo-based senior analyst at Point Carbon, which is owned by Thomson Reuters. “The repeal of the Australian scheme has to be considered as being one step backwards in this regard.”…
“A new global (climate) agreement is highly unlikely to be reached any year in the future. I’d rather see more room for national or regional mechanisms spreading all around in the short-term,” said Matteo Mazzoni, carbon analyst at Italy’s Nomisma Energia…
Last month, China launched the seventh and final regional pilot carbon market, but plans to set up a national trading scheme remain fraught with uncertainty…
http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFL4N0PK2I720140717
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Well done, Oz!
Now if only Cameron’s missis will allow him to grow a pair and he can find some way of dealing with Clegg and his misfits maybe, just maybe, the UK might start to get the ship turning here as well.
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My apologies if I don’t gush emotive superlatives. Due to my own recent work and domestic stresses leaving me in an irritable mood today, this momentous news of tax axing has not provoked the type of joyous affect that I thought it would have. It’s a great step forward, of course. Give it a few days to receive Royal Assent and perhaps by next weekend I’ll be drinking my first carbon-tax-free beer in a long while.
We’re still left with the inanity of Direct Action and some accompanying awkward bottom-covering and vague foreshadowing like this:
The tax wasn’t passed based on sound science, and you can see from the Abbott quote above that it has not been repealed on the basis of sound science either. Politics only.
As I said when the tax passed in 2011, the reason this tax got into law in the first place is because there is no scientific audit applied to the basis of new laws, so there is nothing to stop parliament from legislating against a problem that isn’t real. We will see more political bungling of other issues if this loon-hole isn’t plugged.
As I said the day before the carbon tax passed: “Somehow societies survived travesties like this before, we have to do the same.”
Looks like today we have done just that.
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Have not had a chance to read this yet but for those who are interested
http://www.principia-scientific.org/volcanic-carbon-dioxide.html
It talks about sub marine volcanoes. David Evans might find it an interesting read
Cheers
Crakar
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Well done!
One piece of madness gone. More madness to eliminate but the demonstration proves that it can be done.
That alone is worthy of a celebration.
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Congrats to everyone that worked so hard for this day. Well done!
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As a green (as in envious) American, I salute the Abbott government for following through on their campaign promises and all the influencers of public opinion who helped bring about this political sea change. Congratulations.
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“The climate skeptics have won”!
It fills me with hope for the future to read the tantrums and feel the despair of the climate change fanatics today. My heartfelt advice is to seek professional help.
Realize that you joined a cult and believed the lies because you desperately wanted to believe, even when the science and results completely undermined those beliefs.
It gave you meaning and purpose and you were filled with righteousness and arrogance. Your cult had money, power and prestige and you were “saving the world” from evil! Yes, for a fleeting moment you were a superhero, dazzling your family and friends with tales of your heroic quest! You were consumed by it and you desperately clung onto every shred of ‘proof’ no matter how contrived, manipulated and flawed.
As the scam slowly dies you have two paths ahead of you. You can stubbornly remain in the cult and become this generations Hiroo Onoda, or you can admit you were wrong, analyze why it happened, and roll up your sleeves and become a better person.
Come out into the light and help the adults solve real problems facing humanity.
I hope you make the right choice, we could use your help.
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http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2014/07/17/the-sad-sad-cancellation-of-australias-carbon-tax/
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Don’t bother reading the Forbes article posted by WMC. The author Tim Worstall clearly didn’t know much about the detail of Australia’s Carbon Tax which he described as ‘revenue neutral’, which it is not designed to be as it grew by 5% plus inflation each year.
He makes no comment about the harm the tax incurs on the economy.
He also assumes we want to do something about any warming caused by CO2 emissions admitting he believes climate sensitivity to CO2 “is at the lower end” of estimates – even though there are plenty who believe that warming of 2.0C – 3.0C is overall beneficial for the planet. http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9057151/carry-on-warming/
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Jaymez,
Tim Worstall – an expert in scientific knowledge of CO2 in earths atmosphere – NOT!!
“Tim Worstall is a British-born writer and blogger, who writes about many topics, but particularly about economics. He works as a consultant and dealer in scandium and other exotic metals”
Absolutely knows sweet FA about CO2 – much the same as WillC
Cheers,
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Alas, alack,
a carbon tax
that cost a lot
but saved us not
from mis-nomered
C-O-2 pollution
is dead and gone.
Like the witch of
the west may it
peacefully rest
while we live on
and prosper here
on a green and
living planet
fertilized by
that magical
C-O-2.
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Notice that the only people sad about it are carpet baggers – they never had to live with it in the first place!
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Maybe Dr Connelley (for a doctor you are) should rely less on the meeja for his information.
But, seeing as it is now acceptable again …
A quote from the Dr Connelley (for a doctor you are), “meeja” link:
“For the revenue neutral carbon tax is absolutely, without a doubt, the best way of dealing with the problem of climate change …”
. . .
Having established that weather is now climate change, Dr Connelley (for a doctor you are) still fails to show any evidence of your carbon(sic) tax “dealing with climate change.”
Just one example of a future weather/climate change event prevented by your carbon(sic) tax needed.
Again, the claim will be made that this is a ridiculous request, proving future weather that has yet to happen didn’t happen.
But, it is the IPCC Doomsday Global Warming science promoted by you that makes the claims of abilities to see the future climate/weather now.
And so far, failing miserably.
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You were being ironic there, weren’t you, WC? However, while I may have picked up on that, it looks as though your
sycophantsfollowers did not.Is there any hard, tangible evidence that Katrina (the last category 5 hurricane spawned in the North Atlantic, 8 – EIGHT – years ago) was strengthened by “global warming”, or that Sandy (a weak extra-tropical storm that happened to hit New York at the same time as a mid-latitude low pressure system – a situation that has happened several times in the past, all significantly stronger than Sandy) was, too? Can anyone supply definitive proof that Haiyan, or the Russian heatwave, or the Somerset Levels flooding, or Australian bush fires are significantly more serious because of “global warming”? Can someone give irrefutable evidence that the deep oceans are experiencing noticeable heating, while the upper layers and the atmosphere are not?
Note: a list of “peer-reviewed” literature from authors who have vested interests in the veracity of all those claims cannot be considered evidence.
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Hi William
If I was you I would go down to the pub and have a few beers to drown your sorrows before you turn into a bitter and twisted creature like Senator “Misery” Milne.
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Its way too late to avoid that !!!
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“bitter and twisted”
in the WC’s case.. more like “twitter and bisted”
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Craw into your cave, you effeminate schmuck.
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I see William Connolley persists. Be gentle with him. He might be in shock or some equally delicate state and need some time to collect his wits. I hope he can find them.
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How do you find nothing?
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Wild animals, when cornered, become vicious. Beware the lashing out of the marginalized beast.
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Willy! Please at least be polite. Posts which contain only a link are normally deleted as SPAM.
We take it that you are unhappy, please feel free to express yourself.
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i would advise not clicking on any link provided by mr “conn”olley . his presence and subsequent ostracism from wikipedia tell anyone all they need to know about his character.
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that is a lovely picture of the great lakes during summer time you have as your avatar willie,nice going.
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Labor leader Bill Shorten tweeted: “Tony Abbott has made Australia the first country in the world to reverse action on climate change.”
Seems he is not aware Russia, Japan and Canada told the G8 they would not join the second round of the Kyoto Protocol at United Nations talks in 2011. http://wattsupwiththat.com/2011/05/29/its-all-over-kyoto-protocol-loses-four-big-nations/
Also clearly not aware the European Commission is to ditch legally-binding renewable energy targets after 2020 in a major U-turn and admission that the policy has failed industry and consumers by driving up electricity bills. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10588121/European-Commission-to-ditch-legally-binding-renewable-energy-targets.html
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The EU ditched the “renewable Targets” because it can no longer be denied that “renewable energy” does not reduce emissions if 24/365 power is to be maintained on a grid. Tony pointed this out years ago. The EU emissions targets to 2020 are still there and are still unobtainable. They will also be meaningless after COP21 in Paris 2015.
Tim Worstall is a market economist with a speciality in rare minerals. He tends to accept the CAGW “concensus” and leave it at that. What you say about his article is correct but he still doesn’t grasp that at the “climate sensitivity” he believes – there is no catastrophe and emissions control is pointless anyway.
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The left’s mantra – never let the facts get in the way of a good slogan!
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“Labor leader Bill Shorten tweeted: “Tony Abbott has made Australia the first country in the world to reverse action on climate change.””
So nice of Mr Shorten to CONGRATULATE Tony Abbott. 🙂
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And I hope you aren’t the last, Bill Shorten notwithstanding. 🙂
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We should all thank Jo and Anthony for their tireless efforts against huge opposition, in helping to bring this historic event about. A big Thank You from all of us out here who believe in truth, integrity and the basic principles of science.
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Hear hear. Yes indeed
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Let’s not get too carried away with the repeal of the carbon tax. The carbon tax was introduced with a price that was many times higher than the standard Emission Trading Scheme (ETS) cost. Make no mistake, the ETS has always been the real target! The only reason the expensive Carbon Tax was dreamt-up was to pave a path for the ETS. The carbon tax was designed as a punitive tax to make us grateful for the cheaper ETS.
I heard that Clive Palmer, when recently star struck by Al Gore’s presence, hinted that he would find an ETS, if set at zero cost until the other nations went ahead, would be an acceptable compromise. Well it isn’t, and we must be on our guard to make sure that it will never be acceptable.
Whoever thought up this bad Carbon tax and not so bad ETS tax must have been hired after their dazzling success at hoodwinking us with the water businesses and desalination plant crooks, because the scam worked in a similar way. For two years South Australians had to wash their cars with a damp sponge and let their gardens die-off because of the manufactured drought we had a few years ago.
Surprisingly, the drought started at the SA border. The year after the so-called drought started, Google Earth showed clearly where the Murray River and SA’s water reserves, in Lake Victoria (just over the border in New South Wales), had been largely diverted into the surrounding Victorian desert.
What was sage and tumble weed on sand the year before, on the Victorian side of the border, was now lush and green and what was green fields of wheat and lucerne on the South Australian side of the border had been reduced to desert.
I only hope these scoundrels don’t get a job that involves spraying soot onto glaciers to assist the AGW belief for the deluded.
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In future start referring to the ETS as an Emissions TAXING System because the aim is to fool the “useful idiots” into thinking an ETS is not really a tax and positioning it as something which is ‘free market’ based.
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Gotta like it when the good guys win one for a change! Fun to watch the usual suspects of the liberal left wetting their collective nappies, too…BONUS!
Way to go Australia!!! Well done!!!
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Kaboom go the watermelons!
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The comments are hilarious, made my morning thanks. 🙂
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The just couldn’t cope and closed the thread…..
Good for a giggle 😛
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There is still plenty to do. The member for Bass has this posted on this on his facebook page trying to justify Direct Action.
Obviously the coalition is in dire need of someone that understands the data. I suggested that he go talk to Dr. Jensen.
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Any guesses what the “troughers”, Fabians, rent seekers & megalomaniacs will come up with for a “valid excuse”for a NWO now?
No doubt some smart string puller in Threadneedle St. already has a plan or two quietly a-foot.
( adding a few extra naughts to some loan fund or gold short spreadsheets perhaps?)
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Maybe an Alien Invasion????
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Well done you Aussies! At last reason and sense are making a welcome return, a truly uplifting piece of news.
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I for one are very glad this most pointless of taxes has been staked, put back in its coffin and buried. It demonstrates directly that action against illogical groupthink can be taken and be successful.
It’s an important victory in the battle, but the war isn’t over yet. Much of the machinery still exists which birthed such a monster and that needs to be either taken control of or destroyed. The government sponsorship of such useless bodies need to be next on the list… Time to contact your elected government representatives on mass.
Also do not be afraid to tackle the illogical head on on various forums, this is a massive ego dent for them and has put a large crack in their mindset. Keep prying it open and reduce their numbers.
Oh, and hats off to Jo – bubbly all round!
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You are so right, Ecoguy.
The MP for Bass, Andrew Nikolic put this on his facebook page.
I gave him a serve, but he really needs to hear from a lot more than I.
The problem with parliamentarians is they have no idea about hte discipline of science.
“The Coalition accepts the science, the targets, and the need for a market mechanism. But we fundamentally disagree with the Labor-Green choice of mechanism (Carbon Tax), which DOES NOT achieve the intended effect and wastes billions of taxpayer’s $ in the process. In fact emissions GO UP, not down in Australia under the former government’s Carbon Tax. To add insult to stupidity, in its first two years, the Labor-Green carbon tax was a $15.4 billion impact on families and business, yet only delivered less than 0.1 percent emissions decrease in its first year.
So please don’t confuse this as a debate about science, because it clearly is not. For those truly interested in the science, they may wish to read what three Nobel economics laureates: Thomas Schelling, Finn Kydland and Vernon Smith, have to say about this issue in the attached article. They ranked 15 different approaches to reducing emissions and the three carbon tax mechanisms were bottom of the pile.
I am appalled that today, Labor-Green politicians continued to vote for the Carbon Tax to the bitter end, and clearly intend bringing it back should Australia ever have the misfortune to suffer another Labor-Green Government. Indeed the Greens Leader Christine Milne promised a Carbon Tax 8-12 times more expensive than the one we repealed today. In doing so, these politicians voted for unnecessarily high electricity and gas prices for Australian families. They voted in a way that disrespects the mandate of the Australian people, who agreed at the last election to repeal the world’s largest carbon tax.
Unlike Labor, the Coalition is taking action that will have a meaningful impact on cutting emissions to combat climate change. The Emissions Reduction Fund is the centrepiece of the Government’s Direct Action Plan and a key election commitment. The Emissions Reduction Fund is a major environmental programme with benefits for air quality, land management and agricultural productivity and a programme to reduce emissions. We have taken this to two elections now as the centrepiece of the Coalition’s climate change policy.
The 2014-15 Budget provided $2.55 billion for the Fund, which is available to be committed in contracts by the Clean Energy Regulator for emissions reductions. The Emissions Reduction Fund is not a Labor-Greens grants programme simply shovelling money out the door on speculative projects. Payment under Emissions Reduction Fund contracts will be made upon delivery of abatement and spread over a number of years.
The Emissions Reduction Fund will replace the carbon tax with an incentive-based approach that will support Australian businesses to improve their productivity and reduce their energy costs, while also reducing their emissions.
I am proud to be part of a government that got rid of the carbon tax in accordance with our promise to the Australian people to provide relief to families and business. Households are forecast to be around $550 a year better off, on average. Electricity bills are forecast to be around 9% lower than they otherwise would be.”
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Ha ha ha ha HA.
Good riddance Carbon Tax!
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Now all we have to do is figure out what to do about our sanctimonious green whingers.
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Tazmania comes to mind.
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We worked that out long ago Macquarie Is, is a world heritage area that clearly screams out for Green stewardship – average temp 6 C degrees, clearly our CO2 will affect them there last. The greens can sit out global warming there in their caves and humpies not breeding of course, because that’s bad for the earth, and inherit the earth after we are all wiped out by global warming. That’s of course if they don’t get wiped out by a virulent virus spread by a dirty telephone.
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Keep a list of names of them and their supporters. After the cost of this folly has been calculated we can send them the bill. For people like Milne, SHY and co. it should mean they don’t get paid by taxpayers when they’re kicked out of parliament.
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It looks like even some of the diehards must have seen the light. Or maybe I don’t understand your politics well enough. But one way or another this is great news for Australia. 🙂
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And now (and I really hate to ask) do you think you could help us find a way to vote Obama out of existence? You must have some secret we could use. 😉
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Hmm! Roy,
Compulsory voting and preferential counting comes to mind.
Make it so that everybody has to vote, and see what happens then. You may scoff at compulsory voting but consider this. In the U.S. since 1988 the voter turnout is averaging only 53%, while in that same period here in Australia, the voter turnout is averaging 85%, and of that turnout, the informal vote is only averaging 4%, probably half of that unintentional.
Preferential voting, and no matter how (seemingly) flawed it might be, still ensures that someone doesn’t sneak in on FPTP, when the vast bulk of voters in that electorate voted ….. NOT for that person, but for other people who were running.
Australia may have a voting system incomprehensible to most, but it works really well here, no matter what anyone says.
It’ll never happen in the U.S. Democrats will see to that.
Tony.
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Tony,
As you know from my previous comments about compulsory voting, I’m not a fan of it. Or perhaps it’s more accurate to say I can’t see that it would solve our problem. As I see it, the percentage of eligible voters who turn out only bothers the cry babies who worry about the wrong things. Our real problem is that many of the voters who do turn out on Election Day have not bothered to follow politics and current affairs and so they vote foolishly.
I certainly agree with you, however. The Democerats love this situation and foster, promote and defend it any way they can. They love the uninformed voter because that voter can very easily be induced to vote Democrat. All it takes is a promise of another free lunch.
If only 10% of voters go to the polls but they vote wisely, I think we’re better off than if 90 or even 100% turn out and vote only their own narrow interest.
What we need, if it could be accomplished, is compulsory following of politics and current affairs, compulsory attention to all points of view and compulsory attention to how the things our government is doing are actually working. Good luck getting that done, Roy.
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And I am glad the system you have is working for you But my lifetime of watching things, particularly the last 5 1/2 years, tells me that our problem is voter ignorance and probably for some, just plain laziness, not low turnout. And now we have accumulated years of indoctrination in many of our public schools that have done nothing but make the problem worse.
There’s more I could say but I’ll end it here.
You Aussies have done the first of many things needing to be done. And now it’s up to the rest of us to learn from your example and follow suit.
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And by the way, I don’t scoff at anything you do in Oz. Far from it. It’s my natural inclination to be skeptical, think things through for myself and reach a conclusion based on everything that appears to be relevant.
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Definitely true! One has but to witness the near unanimity of voting in countries like Cuba and North Korea to see that 100% voting is not all it is cracked up to be.
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One thing seems to have been forgotten in all the debate, nay vindictive greeny arguement, is that during photosynthesis not only is CO2 consumed as PLANT FOOD but OXYGEN is released thus plants provide us humans with both food and Oxygen. Our waste, CO2, is plant food, plant waste O2 is what we breath. Can’t these greeny idiots understand this.
Ron Cook
R-COO- K+
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Can’t, or won’t?
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As I understand it, the carbon dioxide/oxygen plant cycle is no longer taught in schools, being instead replaced by a carbon dioxide/water vapour climate cycle, that totally ignores oxygen. But I may be wrong.
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R.W.,
Mmm thanks for that. I might just look into it. I have a number of grandchildren moving thro’ the Aussie (Victorian)school system, one just about secondary school age. To me that’s a lie by omission!!!!!!
Cheers
Ron Cook
R-Coo- K+
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apart from a quote from the PM, BBC only quotes critics from Labor and Green Parties, plus the Climate Institute:
17 July: BBC: Australia votes to repeal carbon tax
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-28339663
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I understand that the UK PM dismissed one of his cabinet ministers, a Green?
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How funny, the Greens have red faces now, angry red faces shouting abuse. They are disgusting creatures.
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The watermelons have everted and taken their true form, avert your senses and focus on the positive for their power relies on the focus of misery.
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Eco fascists are only democratic when it helps them.
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The “greens” finally show their true colours….
RED
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Evil, I would suggest,
Ron Cook
R-Coo- K+
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Congratulations Australia
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Ha Ha Ha He He He , and a couple of La-Di-Dahs,
That’s how we while the day away
in the merry Old Land Of Oz
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Now onto the Renewable Energy Target, an enormously costly fantasy and the last refuge of the Carbon Cowboys, the Greens.
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In the meantime in a time long, long ago (about 400 million years ago) there was a major glacial epoch on earth when the carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere were ten times higher than they are today. I would dearly love to know how Bill Shorten, Christine Milne and their various minions such as Penny W(r)ong and the dear luvvies at the ABC would explain away that Inconvenient Truth. But that would get in the way of their Indignation Fest, wouldn’t it?
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Oh damn… we better bring back that tax, Global Warming has hit Australia big time!
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(subscription required)
18 July: WSJ: Australia’s Carbon Tax Message
Tony Abbott shows that climate absolutists have a problem: democracy
Tony Abbott scored a big win Thursday when the Senate repealed Australia’s carbon tax, fulfilling the Prime Minister’s most prominent promise from last year’s election. The global intelligentsia is now making Mr. Abbott public climate enemy number one, but he deserves applause for honoring his campaign pledge and removing a burden on the Australian economy. As the first developed nation to rebel against the cost of climate scare-mongering, Australia could start a trend that has greens worried….
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18 July: Daily Telegraph: Simon Benson: At last: Carbon tax blight on a weary nation finally erased after 60 hours of debate
IT has cost the economy $15 billion and ripped $78 million a week from the pockets of Australians families since it was unleashed on the Australian economy. Now, after 747 days, it is finally over.
The carbon tax officially died last night when the Governor-General Peter Cosgrove gave royal assent to the Abbott government’s repeal bills, erasing more than 1000 pages of legislation introduced by then-prime minister Julia Gillard in July 2012…
LINK: IF RATES AREN’T LOWER, YOUR COUNCIL’S RUBBISH
The battle over climate change has cost two prime ministers and an opposition leader their jobs since 2009…
(Labor leader, Bill Shorten): “Labor made a mistake when we settled for second best … we should have taken an emissions trading scheme to an election,” he said. “I do believe an ETS argued through, learning the lessons of the past, communicating with Australians, with business — people are up for that.” (LOL)…
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/at-last-carbon-tax-blight-on-a-weary-nation-finally-erased-after-60-hours-of-debate/story-fni0cx12-1226992834698?nk=05864da945ed84267628890c2dd3985a
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Love the pic
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NYT gives voice to Milne, Shorten, John Connor, but also to some critics. the inevitable emphasis on the Koch Brothers!
17 July: NYT: Australia Tax Repeal Is Big Blow to Fight Against Emissions
By MICHELLE INNIS, STANLEY REED and CORAL DAVENPORT
Australia’s system was of particular interest to other countries because it was to have been linked with a similar trading program in Europe.Beginning next year, Australian businesses were to be able to buy European emissions allowances to use under the Australian program. A full two-way link between the two systems was to be in force by July 2018.
This arrangement would have connected Europe’s program, the world’s largest, to what looked likely to be the third-largest.
***The deal might have served as a pilot for linking other systems emerging around the world, including those in China and California.
“It is quite a setback to the global discussion of linking schemes and moving toward a global carbon market,” said Marcus Ferdinand, an analyst at Point Carbon, a research firm based in Oslo.
***The Australian vote also further complicates long-running efforts by the United Nations to forge a global climate change treaty in 2015, aimed at committing the world’s largest economies to making deep cuts in their carbon pollution…
In Europe, officials expressed disappointment at Australia’s action.
“The European Union regrets the repeal of Australia’s carbon-pricing mechanism just as new carbon-pricing initiatives are emerging all around the world,” said the European climate action commissioner, Connie Hedegaard. “The E.U. is convinced that pricing carbon is not only the most cost-effective way to reduce emissions but also the tool to make the economic paradigm shift the world needs.”…
The Australian vote resonated in the United States, where environmental advocates have tried and failed for years to enact legislation that would put a price tag on carbon pollution. Opponents of carbon pricing, led by the billionaire industrialists Charles and David Koch, have sought to make the issue politically toxic, and groups financed by the brothers’ company, Koch Industries, have run aggressive campaigns against lawmakers who support climate change policy.
“We are drinking Foster’s and putting shrimp on the barbie,” said a celebratory Thomas J. Pyle, president of the American Energy Alliance, an advocacy group that receives financing from Koch Industries. It is running television ads ahead of the November midterm elections to try to unseat lawmakers who have supported carbon pricing…
Mr. Pyle predicted that other nations with carbon-pricing policies would follow Australia. “Europe is going to be the next one to do wholesale reversals of these policies,” he said. “It’s like salmon heading upstream.”…
In the absence of political support to enact a carbon-pricing law, President Obama has instead proposed a federal regulation that would force states to cut carbon pollution from coal-fired power plants. Mr. Vitter (Republican Senator David Vitter) said Australia’s vote would give strength to Republicans’ efforts to repeal those regulations…
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/18/business/international/australia-tax-repeal-is-big-blow-to-fight-against-emissions.html
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Just had a look at the comments on Crikey.com.au re: axing the carbon tax, “THESE PEOPLE ARE NUCKIN FUTS”
I unfortunately experienced this hatred yesterday from a girl in a shopping center spruiking for Greenpeace, I have not seen someone lose it that badly for a while.
I can now easily understand how people are manipulated to commit atrocities in the name of a cause, a very disturbing insight.
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The Brainwashed Zombies from the Cult of Climate Change (branch on the United Nations Party).
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Did you laugh at her? That’s a tactic I’ve used to make warmists blow a valve.
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No laughing, I just got news of the repeal and happened to be near the Greenpeace stand set up with 3 young ladies spruiking, pamphlets etc and decided to break it to them, they started to tear-up and asked what I thought about it so I told them.
Their reaction wasn’t pretty and it didn’t do Greenpeace any favors judging by the onlookers reactions, I slipped away quickly.
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Yonniestone: With tongue firmly in cheek, I humbly request that you don’t use the horrible Americanism ‘tear up’. This is why:
When I saw first saw this turn of phrase, it was in a paragraph in a magazine where the comment was made by a music teacher that a pupil had made him ‘tear up’.
This puzzled me. Had he perhaps torn the music up in frustration? Over a minute, I realised what was actually meant!
It’s so much nicer to use traditional English. ‘The young ladies began to cry at the news’ or ‘The young ladies were reduced to tears’. Perhaps ‘tears welled up in their eyes at the news’, or ‘their eyes moistened with tears.’
There are so many possibilities, and these add colour to a sentence. If the meaning isn’t clear straightaway, then to me it’s poor English. I sometimes think that Orwell’s ‘newspeak’ is slowly evolving in the USA. It’s a relatively recent development – I have an old American science book written in excellent English. Lest you wonder, I’m not anti-American!
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Carbon500 I had no idea the phrase was American, I’m Aussie and have used this phrase since being a child, I can be creative in my posts so I apologise (see no z) if I have offended your grammatical zeal for a beautiful language. 🙂
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Thanks Yonniestone, no apologies needed as no offence was taken – it’s just that I find some Americanisms weird, but also (in a nice way) entertaining.
Take for example the following which appeared in an American music magazine advert some years ago. The reader was promised that he or she would become able ‘to figure out hot licks off of records’.
Can you guess was the advert was for?
It was an electronic box which could record a few bars of music from a record, and then be used to slow down the chosen extract whilst keeping the original musical pitch to make learning easy.
Hence ‘figure out’ = work out, ‘off of’ = from, ‘hot lick’ = a catchy, attention grabbing combination of notes which add zest and impetus to a tune or song.
If any reader knows if there’s a correct musical term for ‘hot lick’, I’d like to know!
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I Googled Hot Lick and came up with an amazing array of results,
– Hot Licks Guitar Shop.
– Hot Licks Exhaust Flamethrower Kits.
– Hot Licks Homemade Ice Cream.
– Hot Licks homemade sauces.
I think a hot lick in the guitar world would be like a riff or solo http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lick_(music)
But I could only think of Gene Simmons. 🙂
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Interesting, I would have love that thing as a teenager. Instead, when learning to play guitar, I used an old gramophone which had a 16 speed. This would slow down an LP to around half speed, dropping the pitch exactly an octave. I grew accustomed to the lower pitch and was able to pick off my hot licks just fine.
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You mean the young ladies began to ‘tear up’ the pamphlets, in realisation of the futility of their cause or to ‘tear up’ the road, after you in some wild rage ?
The great thing about a double meaning is that it can only mean one thing, to paraphrase the late, great Ronnie Barker.
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Yes, that’s what I thought, too . . . the Greenpeace girls had torn up their pamphlets . . . and I’m thinking, struth, that Yonniestone must have been really convincing. 😉
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Yes, I wish I’d been there!
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Ok then just to clarify, tear-up = ‘tears welled up in their eyes at the news’ which was not my intent.
I believe the timing was bad, in the way that we would think the tax repeal is good they had even more zeal for it to remain, I think I just slightly underestimated the amount of zeal they had. 😉
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The carbon tax repeal is wonderful news. To paraphrase an old Irish maxim; if a half-way decent “climate policy” was our destination a carbon tax imposing on ourselves up to 6 times the European market price was not the place to start.
Had the Greens voted for the original Rudd ETS in 2009, we would have now an established ETS scheme charging about $6 to $8 a tonne- a manageable impost . Labor would still be in power and the Greens still relevant in the Senate. To demonstrate their utter political stupidity, they missed their second chance by rejecting the Rudd-Turnbull ETS.
But no, they had to sacrifice a perceived good in pursuit for their perfection, and now they have nothing except another big fight ahead of them. They paid the price for their lack of political vision.
What the Green fairies and climate alarmists conveniently forget is out of the 150 MHRs currently in Parliament, 149 of them campaigned for the repeal of the carbon tax during the 2013 election campaign, that is 99.33%. The odd one out was Adam Brandt – the current Green MHR still defending the indefensible.
It’s crystal clear – the people wanted the tax buried; it’s now buried, good ridance, let it rest in peace.
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Does anyone stop to wonder what the world was like when the vast oil, gas and coal reserves were formed? We are burning a million years every year but is coal forming today? No.
You have to imagine a time of dinosaurs of immense size, a world covered in such lush and massive vegetation that it could support walking monsters which weighed over 110 tons, 20 African elephants. Everything was massive. It could not have been Greener. The answer, very high CO2, high temperatures, high rainfall, lush, lush forests of ferns. Man? A small rodent size animal.
So when people want to limit CO2, they are not talking about saving the planet. They are only demanding that things do not change, but things have always changed and until the last century, we had no influence at all. On a global scale, that is probably still true. Now what are we going to do about the next ice age when England again has ice a kilometer thick and the water drops 100 meters? It would be better to be talking about what happens in the next fifty years when the gas, coal and oil runs out completely and the planes no longer fly and the factories stop. There is no way renewables can provide much of our current needs let alone future needs, so what do the Greens plan? Nothing at all. So there go the forests, again except this time they will not be enough. Head in the sand time, Greens. Your RET is a fantasy.
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Sorry. Latest estimates for Diplodocus are only 10-20 tons, 2-3 Elephants. That’s still a lot of alfalfa per day.
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First, I’ll say this, I am a sceptic and there is no reason for me to believe CO2 has anything to do with climate change.
I worked in the oil industry all my life, and in most of the worlds major oil fields.
There is plenty more out there on the web.
Excerpt
“To begin with, oil is not a fossil fuel. This is a theory put forth by 18th century scientists. Within 50 years, Germany and France’s scientists had attacked the theory of petroleum’s biological roots. In fact, oil is abiotic, not the product of long decayed biological matter. And oil, for better or for worse, is not a non-renewable resource. It, like coal, and natural gas, replenishes from sources within the mantle of earth. This is the real and true science of oil.”
The smart money has bought up the “Dry” wells in Pennsylvania, and are pumping them out again.
You all should read here
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“Genesis 9:3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you: even as the green herb have I given you all things.”
Meat to eat and oil to power our automobiles.
Oh what a bountiful planet we live on. Could hardly have planned it better if he’d been trying.. Indeed one might be forgiven for thinking it might be the only one that has been planned.
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More Here
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18 July: ZeeNews India: Carbon tax repeal in Aus to help in coal supplies to India
Melbourne: The move of Australian Parliament to repeal the carbon tax in the country is likely to help coal exporting companies in delivering cost effective and high quality fuel to Indian markets, according to Adani Mining, a wholly owned subsidiary of India’s Adani Group.
The repeal of the carbon tax in Australia on Thursday will lower costs for Indian firms such as Adani and GVK exporting from the country, Adani Mining spokesperson told PTI here Friday.
“It reflects the Australian government’s strong commitment to supporting export opportunities in the resources sector, and further underlines the cost-effectiveness of the Carmichael mine, the company said…
Adani said that with help from the Australian government and our supply chain, the company was committed to help drive lower costs for operations here, helping deliver the planned mega project and energy security in India.
The company further referred to a prominent Melbourne- based independent think tank Grattan Institute, which said that the design of the now-repealed tax impacted small and medium-size businesses, as they lacked the scale to attract compensation for higher electricity costs that larger businesses were able to accrue under the tax.
Institute’s Energy Programme Director Tony Wood said, “It could easily have been 10, 15 percent of their business input – and that’s not trivial by any means and I’m sure they from a cost perspective will be glad to see the end of it…
http://zeenews.india.com/business/news/companies/carbon-tax-repeal-in-aus-to-help-in-coal-supplies-to-india_104187.html
18 July: ZeeNews India: PTI: Australia’s Repeal of the Carbon Tax Rejects Policy Makes Energy Scarce and Expensive
ST. LOUIS, July 17, 2014 /PRNewswire/ — Peabody Energy (NYSE:BTU) today praised the action of Australia’s Parliament and Prime Minister in repealing the carbon tax, which has hurt consumers via high electricity costs and damaged the economy.
“The Australia Government’s reversal of the carbon tax is a lesson in leadership for the modern world,” said Peabody Energy Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Gregory H. Boyce. “We encourage U.S. policymakers to take the same path and reject the Administration’s costly proposed rules on power plants. Technology, not caps and taxes, is the key to long-term improvement in carbon emissions.”…
http://zeenews.india.com/business/news/companies/carbon-tax-repeal-in-aus-to-help-in-coal-supplies-to-india_104187.html
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McKillop gets it!
17 July: Market Oracle: Andrew McKillop: Carbon No Longer Captures Australia
(Andrew McKillop, Former chief policy analyst, Division A Policy, DG XVII Energy, European Commission.)
The previous Labour government moved in 2007 to set a “price on carbon” – that is a carbon tax – claiming the new tax would slash emissions by 160 million tons over 13 years, by 2020. It offered voters billions of dollars in compensation for higher energy prices. The “carbon tax offsets” ranged through every nook and cranny set by Keynesian-thinking, from tax breaks and aids to companies and corporations, to welfare payments even including aid for womens’ associations, gay couples, illegal immigrants and to be sure, Australia’s massive environment protection and green business sector. This spending program, as well as the internationally-trifling and tiny amount of CO2 emissions that would be saved (world emissions are around 30 billion tons per year) were openly derided all through his 2013 election campaign by today’s prime minister, the pugnacious “unreconstructed male” who likes sport, beer and nice looking females, Tony Abbott…
The World Bank in May 2014, in its “State and Trends of Carbon Pricing” report on carbon pricing in 40 countries, with an estimated US$30 billion annual value, singled out the Abbott government’s solid opposition to carbon pricing as one of the biggest international threats to “rolling out similar programs” in other developed countries, and much further down the line, in the emerging economies.
Tony Abbott made a campaign “pledge in blood” to voters and business to prioritize growth above climate laws, taxes and supposed “energy transition”, and has delivered on his promise – but the Senate vote also showed that independent senators, with deciding votes in the upper house, also sided with his Liberals. For Labour and the Greens, this was a massive and outright defeat…
While carbon finance and taxation have merely added one small additional brake on the European economy and a further small decline in living standards, the rejection of the Australian proposals by Labour and the Greens may have quite rapid economic effects. Australia’s troubled but massive potential LNG development program and its high-cost infrastructures was directly threatened by the proposed new carbon pricing mechanism. Unlike all other major LNG producers and exporters, the proposed additional energy taxation would have made Australian LNG exporters compete in global markets against suppliers who pay no such tax at all. Many huge spending plans in LNG were on hold, awaiting the result of the vote.
Australia’s coal sector, heavily affected by international trends for coal demand and imports, had also delayed or canceled investments and the mining sector in general – fingered as a “carbon pariah” by Labour and the Greens – was heavil apprehensive about the proposed measures. “We have been very clear that we are strong supporters of both the repeal of the carbon tax and the mining tax,” BHP’s CEO Andrew Mackenzie said in an interview. He said that the new tax, combined with the high value of the AUD were the two main handicaps his mining conglomerate faces. Some other major energy users outside the power sector, like national airlines were seriously affected by existing and proposed carbon taxes – Virgin Airlines said in a statement that existing taxes had cost it $27 million in the first 6 months of 2014, pushing it into lossmaking. To be sure, losers will include several Australian power producers who were receiving tax aid and payments to offset increased electricity prices to final consumers, and aid to financing the previous “20% by 2020” Labor government plan – copied on the European model – for massively raising the role of renewable electricity in national power supply by 2020…
The major impact of the Australian decision will however be political. The US Brookings Institution, along with the IPCC, IEA, IBRD and other “climate friendlies” previously described Australia as an “important laboratory and learning opportunity” for “thinking about climate change and energy”. With Japan and Canada, it had been one of the first major countries outside Europe to adopt a carbon price, and Australia was also comparable – in some ways – with the US concerning its energy-intensive lifestyles, industries and commerce, and its CO2 emissions. Australia’s Labour and Greens had however taken “Mother Country” England as a role model, especially when in 2008 the UK Labour party made its rash commitment to “slashing” UK emissions by at least 80% (from a 2005 base) in the 42 years to 2050.
Tony Abbott, who shares the present Canadian government’s antipathy to carbon finance, and always identifies himself as a “climate sceptic” said during a recent visit to Ottawa and Washington that climate change was “not the only or most important problem that the world faces”. This is sure and certain.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/Article46484.html
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EU carbon price retreats below 6 euros after hitting 4-mth high
LONDON, July 17 (Reuters) – European carbon prices retreated to below 6
euros on Thursday after hitting a four-month peak earlier in the day…
http://www.pointcarbon.com/news/reutersnews/1.6014294
btw looking forward to Maurice Newman responding to the repeal &, hopefully, convincing the Coalition to drop the Direct Action Plan.
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I think you wrote that 35% of Australians still want a carbon tax. Well let them!
We live in a computerised age so it is no big deal to have an option of their utility bills to add a carbon tax, with the promise that this money will be invested in renewables – and that it will be the ONLY money invested in renewables.
Then it is down to those who feel strongly enough to ‘save the world’.
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that is a fantastic idea .should be applied the world over. i would imagine the al gores and michael manns of the world will be the first to apply to pay the extra tax :).
congratulations to tony abbot and the australian people ,it really is something wonderful you have achieved .
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Congratulations to all who stood up and defended our country against the Green Labor carbon tax, the the US Boston tax revolt comes to mind in significance.
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as expected…
18 July: Reuters: S.Korean finmin says planned carbon market flawed, wants delay – paper
South Korea’s finance minister has called its impending emissions trading market “flawed in many ways”, hinting that he would pressure other ministries to delay the planned 2015 launch, a local newspaper reported.
Choi Kyung-hwan, who is also deputy prime minister, said problems had been found with the scheme, which is due to start in January, and that the government would review them before deciding whether to delay it, modify it or implement it as planned, The Korea Times reported on Friday.
South Korea’s finance, industry and environment ministries are divided over the scheme and its potential impact on the economy, a spokesman with the country’s environment ministry said, adding that nothing had been decided thus far.
South Korea’s carbon market has come under fire from businesses, who want its start delayed until 2020. Industry groups earlier this week warned that it could cost firms a total of 27.5 trillion to 29.6 trillion Korean won ($26.7-$28.9 billion) over the next three years…
***Choi’s comments come a day after Australia’s parliament voted to repeal its carbon tax, which would have evolved into an emissions trading market next July…
http://af.reuters.com/article/commoditiesNews/idAFL6N0PT3CZ20140718
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CONGRATULATIONS! Glad the people of Australia won against the ridiculous carbon tax.
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***still making bad predictions?
18 July: New Scientist: Azeen Ghorayshi: ***Australia will pay dearly for repealing its carbon tax
The big picture
Australia’s decision will also have global effects. For one thing, the Australian programme was going to link up with the European Union’s emissions trading scheme, bringing many rich countries under one roof. That cannot happen now.
What’s more, China largely modelled its seven new carbon trading programmes on Australia’s system. “Internationally, it may look like something was wrong with the policy,” Jotzo (Frank Jotzo, ANU) says. “In reality, the only thing that went wrong in Australia was the politics.”..
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25919-australia-will-pay-dearly-for-repealing-its-carbon-tax.html
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plenty of John Connor, Al Gore, etc etc., but some bits worth noting:
18 July: Bloomberg: Jason Scott/Mike Anderson: Death of Australian Pollution Levy Marks First U-Turn on Climate
The about-face sets up Abbott for a clash with Europe and the U.S., which asked for climate policy to be on the G-20 agenda. Australia’s participation in reducing the gases blamed for global warming is crucial for United Nations-led climate talks aimed at establishing a worldwide emissions-limiting pact by next year. China is considering its first absolute cap on carbon and creation of a national market for emissions…
Abbott won a landslide election victory last year for his Liberal-National coalition that he said gave him a mandate to throw out the “toxic tax” on carbon, which was triple Europe’s carbon price. The government estimates the repeal will save the average family A$550 a year in lower electricity prices and make Australian companies more competitive…
“Australia now has no formal mechanism in place to reduce emissions,” Kobad Bhavnagri, the Sydney-based head of Australia research at Bloomberg New Energy Finance, said in a Bloomberg television interview.
The absence of a carbon price or cap may encourage businesses to invest too heavily in emissions-intensive activities, said Nathan Fabian, CEO of the Investor Group on Climate Change. “There will also be investors who see the lack of carbon pricing as an aberration and will delay investment decisions until the policy vacuum is resolved, or choose to invest overseas, where the policy environment is more certain.”…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-17/australia-scrapping-pollution-levy-marks-first-u-turn-on-climate.html
btw google news results on “carbon tax” search gives priority to massive amount of Fairfax material. talk about overkill by Fairfax.
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17 July: WSJ: Tom Switzer: Lessons From the Aussie Carbon Victory
Tony Abbott has shown it is possible to challenge the climate orthodoxy and roll back an unpopular tax.
Brisbane, Australia: Five short years ago, Australian media thought that the center-right Liberal Party was crazy to oppose a cap-and-trade system for carbon emissions. “Unless the climate change dissidents are brought to heel,” wrote one supposed expert, “the Liberals face humiliation at the polls.” Conservatives, warned another commentator, “are on a political suicide mission.”
How wrong they…
http://online.wsj.com/articles/switzer-lessons-from-the-aussie-carbon-victory-1405616379
FT claims we are now threatened with ISOLATION! hilarious:
17 July: Financial Times: Australia abolishes tax on carbon emissions
By Jamie Smyth in Sydney and Pilita Clark in London
Australia has become the first country to repeal a national carbon tax in a move that threatens to isolate the country amid increasing international efforts to tackle climate change…
The vote, a hard-fought political victory for Mr Abbott, marks one of the biggest setbacks for climate action advocates since Canada became the first nation formally to pull out of the Kyoto protocol climate treaty in 2011…
It is a sharp break from what has been a steady rise in the number of carbon pricing schemes in the past two years as China, South Korea, Kazakhstan and California have launched or scheduled such measures…
The Australian tax was due to be integrated into an emissions trading mechanism by 2015, which would enable the market to set a price on carbon – a model that many countries want to replicate globally.
The EU, home of the world’s largest carbon market, said it regretted the vote in Canberra, which sinks a plan to link the European scheme with Australia…
This is likely to be the biggest impact of the Australian vote, carbon market analysts said. “I don’t think it will slow the expansion of schemes in the rest of the world,” said Marcus Ferdinand of Thomson Reuters Point Carbon. “But it is definitely a signal from the Australian government that it is not interested in fighting global warming.”…
Climate change policy has dogged successive Australian administrations, which must balance a powerful industry lobby led by the country’s A$60bn coal industry against growing public concern over greenhouse gas emissions…
http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/d852822a-0d67-11e4-bcb2-00144feabdc0.html
FIRST COMMENT: BY cornelius_afar: It is is unusual to see members of the socialist green alliance post so vociferously on FT. The fact is that the the carbon tax was contributing (along with a high AUD) to a hollowing out of Australia’s industrial base – an outcome over which many in Ms Milne’s party were no doubt rejoicing.
The now dead carbon tax was among the highest in the world, and totally inappropriate for a country like Australia with a large, thinly spread population. It may suit Europeans with their small densely populated land mass but should never have been implemented down under. Good riddance.
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way down in google results comes this Heartland piece posted 4 hours ago:
18 July: Heartland Blog: Jim Lakely: Heartland Institute Experts React to Australia’s Carbon Tax Repeal
“The decision by Australia to repeal its carbon tax is further evidence that the global warming movement is now in global retreat. Australian voters realized the tax, which cost the average household more than $500 a year, had zero impact on the climate while it destroyed jobs and punished the poor and people on fixed incomes. Elected officials took longer to realize their mistake, but the right decision was finally made.
“The odds of a new international treaty with binding provisions being adopted at the next United Nations meeting in Paris in 2015, already poor, have dropped even further. People all over the world are seeing through the hype and exaggeration of politicians and environmental activists. They understand that there simply is no climate crisis, and they no longer are willing to passively accept the taxes, regulations, and subsidies passed at the height of global warming alarmism…
Australia has shown the way. Are they paying attention?”
Joseph Bast, President
“Money wasted imposing expensive energy restrictions could be better spent on education, housing, health care, nutrition, real environmental challenges, or simply allowing people to keep more of their earnings. Australia has seen the light and I expect more nations will soon follow suit.”
James M. Taylor
Senior Fellow for Environmental Policy
http://blog.heartland.org/2014/07/heartland-institute-experts-react-to-australias-carbon-tax-repeal/
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18 July: Korea Times: Park Si-soo: Gov’t may delay carbon trading plan
The government is expected to delay implementing a controversial carbon emissions trading program after the new finance minister called the plan “flawed.”
Major manufacturing companies have protested against the program and demanded the government delay it.
“I think the existing plan is likely to be modified to delay its implementation or to reduce financial burden on companies,” Park Ryun-min, an environment ministry official familiar with the case, told The Korea Times on Friday.
“We will soon start talking with two other ministries involved in the case ㅡ the Ministry of Trade, Industry and Energy and the Ministry of Strategy and Finance ㅡ to tackle the issue.”…
During his visit to a conventional market on Thursday morning, Choi said, “If it’s found to have problems during preparation, we should revise related regulations to address them,” he said.
Many problems had been found, although the program was set to take effect from January, he said.
“We will review the problems and then decide whether to implement it as scheduled,” he said…
http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2014/07/123_161284.html
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19 July: Australian: Stirling Larkin: Green bonds find their purple patch in golden era
In the last month, when the Australian carbon tax has been a subject of red-hot global debate, a far more important announcement out of London has, until now, gone unnoticed.
The world’s first Green Bond Index was launched on July 1 by the British bank Barclays in conjunction with MSCI, one of the leading global financial services information providers…
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/wealth/green-bonds-find-their-purple-patch-in-golden-era/story-e6frgac6-1226993943802?nk=6effb50491671957f200046fbf6f2829#
don’t know what is in Larkin’s Australian piece, but the headline suggests it is shilling for the following. who would shill for Barclays when they are facing so many fraud allegations?
18 July: Investment & Pensions Europe (IPE): Jonathan Williams: Investible green bond indices ‘not quite there yet’ – Climate Bond Initiative
Investible climate bond indices will not come about for several more years, despite the universe now exceeding $0.5trn (€369bn), according to a report by the Climate Bond Initiative.
The report, ‘Bonds and climate change: The state of the market in 2014’, found that the majority of existing issuances stemmed from the transport sector, accounting for close to $359bn globally.
Climate and green bonds linked to energy issuances accounted for a further $74bn, while financing deals exceeded $50bn…
Sean Kidney, one of the report’s authors and chief executive of the Initiative, said the paper showed how investors could invest in climate bonds without risk.
“The investment opportunities we find are safe and secure investment-grade bonds,” he said. “This is a Dull Green Market – just how pension funds and insurance funds like it.”
Bridget Boulle, report co-author, highlighted there would be significant growth in the market in the coming years as municipalities, cities and corporates become more interested in the market.
***However, she told IPE there were still issues surrounding the discoverability of the climate and green bond market for institutional investors.
“There is still certainly work to do on discoverability and identification of product, and then packaging it in a way that is exciting for investors – especially institutions,” she said…
Boulle added that investable indices were “not quite there yet”.
“I’m not sure there is enough large and liquid products around to be a really viable investment, but when we are there it will be even easer for institutions,” she said. “That’s the next step in a few years’ time.”
According to the report, China remains the largest market for carbon bonds, with $140bn of its $164bn in issuances coming from the state-backed railway company.
The UK is distant second, with a market of $58bn, $7bn larger than the US market, and France close behind the US with $49bn…
Insurer Zurich has confirmed its interest in the nascent market, doubling its commitment to $2bn, of which it has invested $400m so far.
http://www.ipe.com/investible-green-bond-indices-not-quite-there-yet-climate-bond-initiative/10002524.article
15 July: ETF Strategy: Simon Smith, CFA: Barclays, MSCI to offer green bond index as part of ESG fixed income index family
Two of the world’s largest index providers – MSCI and Barclays – have teamed up to a launch a new Green Bond Index, expanding on the Environmental, Social and Governance (ESG) fixed income index family the pair unveiled in June 2013…
The index will also be available for institutional clients to license for index-linked investment products, such as exchange-traded funds (ETFs)…
Brian Upbin, Head of Benchmark Index Research at Barclays, commented: “With an increase in green bond issuance, we have seen demand from institutional investors for a new benchmark in this emerging and rapidly growing market.”…
http://www.etfstrategy.co.uk/barclays-msci-to-offer-green-bond-index-as-part-of-esg-fixed-income-index-family-63147/
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A long time ago, the tax came in, and MattB explained how little a can of coke would increase in cost. $0.006 per can. Good luck to Tony Abbott enforcing that 0.6 cents a can price reduction.
http://joannenova.com.au/2011/03/lewandowsky-bitten-by-a-hoax/
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Hey JB, are you sending $5000 to Timmy to help him out ?
Poor guy is losing it. 🙂
And please realise that anything Mattb says can be taken with a grain of salt, as meaningless gibberish.
But do keep following his lead. 🙂
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This article from “The American Thinker” indicates that the carbon tax scheme is not dead!
http://americanthinker.com/2014/07/australia_still_has_carbon_taxation_comments.html#disqus_thread
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Carbon tax Gone… Well wheres my rebate. Emailed DODO 4 times about their policy. Ignored. Arrogant JUST like Abbott and Costello. Make a good comedy show but.
And to the losers here thinking that there is no climate warming. ‘Another world heat temp in June AND JULY !!!!!! Remember those 425 degree days in Jan and Feb…..
Trust liberal… ‘Sure can’t’
WE wont get our refunds and Libs know that. Thats why it failed getting through the second time because PUP tried to force the Libs to give us some sort of G’tee for a refund. The Libs didn’t even have a plan to g’tee our refunds. And people still trust them. I dont believe it. Watch question time on ABC. Watch them and compare them to the NEGATIVE ways of last year and the year before. How blind can Aussies be. Abbott is dangerous and will not see a second term. I am a pensioner. My rates have gone up and I have adjusted to it. Gillard also gave me MORE in my pension to make up for it.
Now because Abbott wants to invest in R & D for the future I will be paying more to see my Doctor/specialist who I see every 10 days. Yet the carbon tax was also an investment to the future and a way to FORCE the future to happen sooner than later. Not drag on and on. Watch Libs speeches in question time. Do they EVER answer a question that is not from their own side. Do they ever answer a question without ATTACKING labor and blaming them for all….. Its just attack, attack and attack. Shameful politics.
The boats. Stopped from day 1 \they say. And Aussies believe that. More like they stopped because of the final days of K Rudd. He advertised in ALL NEWS media here AND overseas. YES overseas. Telling people they wont succeed so dont waste their money. Think back people.
[This is a rant without any factual references which would normally not get a run. But it is worth reminding readers there are people who think like this. Good luck with the 425 degree days. – Mod]
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It is embarrassing a person could be so ignorant. Perhaps you should look at the data the UN IPCC use and the UK Met use which confirms there has been no warming of global surface temperatures since 1998. https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rLLavUgz_Yk/Uz_yE6bHJvI/AAAAAAAAh9k/yFh8kao-meU/s800/monckton%20april%202014%20avg.png
Other than the one step temperature jump in 1998, there has been no warming of the troposphere since satellite records commenced since 1979, the warming doesn’t show up in the weather balloons either. http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/env.2294/full
The predicted heat in the oceans has gone walk about too: http://joannenova.com.au/2014/07/the-mystery-of-cooling-deep-ocean-volcanoes-and-missing-heat/
Basically any high school science student would say that from the empirical evidence provided, the theory that the global climate is extremely sensitive to atmospheric CO2 and would warm at increasing rates with increasing human CO2 emissions has been FALSIFIED.
But something tells me you are not really about SCIENCE, you are about one eyed ideology. Because it also escaped your notice that Australia not only has an ACCC which is charged with ensuring the savings from the repealed carbon tax are passed on, but that the Coalition included an extra $10 million in funding for the ACCC specifically for that purpose. There was no REBATE promised, you will receive a reduction in power and other knock on costs. Even the ABC acknowledged that fact! http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-15/accc-gets-money-to-monitor-carbon-tax-repeal/5455898
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Thanks for the thumbs down Tony – but I note there was no actual response to the facts I presented!
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Legal Scum has stopped any future of justice for Australia!
The Office of the Director of Public Prosecution (ODPP) has advised the Attorney-General that there are no reasonable prospect on a prosecution of any former Goss Cabinet Minister and it would not be in the overall public interest to pursue a prosecution in relation to the shredding of the ‘Heiner Documents’! :
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/no-heiner-trial-for-goss-ministers-bleijie-20140702-zstrm.html
However this legal scum was keen to convict Pastor Doug Ensby on a similar charge, even his documents were not important for the court case. Doug got a criminal conviction, which turned his life right around. He lost his job and no insurance wanted insure him:
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/man-jailed-for-destroying-evidence-staggered-by-heiner-no-trial-ruling-20140702-zstyj.html
The Senate Standing Committee on Legal & Constitutional Affairs and the Qld. Child Protection Commission under Tim Carmody QC recommended criminal prosecution.
For nearly ¼ of a century Mr. Kevin Lindeberg pursued justice in the Heiner-case and got justice denied. Justice delayed equals Justice denied!
http://www.heineraffair.info/
http://www.kevinlindeberg.com/
Lindeberg became an Old Man and his reward will be to go nowhere. Do you want the same destiny for yourself and your nation?
In France they do not wait so long and waste their time in letter-writing. In France they throw bricks at the authorities. The lesson and solution for Australia “National Revolution”!
http://australiafirstparty.net/
By the way, Bill Shorten got arrested and interviewed by sexual crimes squad:
http://kangaroocourtofaustralia.com/tag/bill-shorten/
Remember still how they incited a bombastic media-spectacle against Hollingworth, even though the allegations of rape were withdrawn. Why is Shorten not afforded the same privileges. Is the Legal System and the Media run by the Australian Legal Pedophiles/ALP?
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