Remember how skeptics are supposedly the right wing ideologues who deny the science and are driven by their desire for free markets? Projection anyone?
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The Climate March in NY was another outpouring of innumerate frustration. Marc Morano went to the Climate March, despite being listed as the hate figure of the day and found no one was even bothering to hide the real aim, which was pro-socialist and anti-capitalist. Naomi Klein even admitted that the science is irrelevant, and she would be supporting all the same “solutions” even if the science was wrong.
During the panel discussion, Klein was asked: “Even if climate change issue did not exist, you would be calling for same structural changes. Klein responded: ‘Yeah.’
Following the panel, Climate Depot asked Klein if she would support all the same climate “solutions” even if the science was wrong.
“Yes, I would still be for social justice even if there was not climate change. Yes, you caught me Marc,” Klein answered sarcastically as she abruptly ended the interview
Naomi Klein’s new book is titled “This Changes Everything: Capitalism vs. The Climate”. The enemy is “Capitalism” — hence big-coal is a target and big-dependent-renewables are her friends. It’s all about wealth redistribution. Since Klein has a crippling problem with numbers, she would prefer a world where people get ahead by networking and speaking, and not by competition to produce things that other people want. It makes sense in a self-serving kind of way.
Meanwhile Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wants to jail his political opponents.
When you can’t win an argument with persuasion, it’s the obvious next step.
New York City – Environmental activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. lamented that there were no current laws on the books to punish global warming skeptics. . “I wish there were a law you could punish them with. I don’t think there is a law that you can punish those politicians under,” Kennedy told Climate Depot in a one-on-one interview during the People’s Climate March. The interiew was conducted for the upcoming documentary Climate Hustle.
Kennedy Jr. accused skeptical politicians of “selling out the public trust.” “Those guys are doing the Koch Brothers bidding and are against all the evidence of the rational mind, saying global warming does not exit. They are contemptible human beings. I wish there were a law you could punish them with. I don’t think there is a law that you can punish those politicians under.”
Kennedy saved his most venomous comments for the Koch Brothers, accusing them of “treason” for “polluting our atmosphere.”
“I think it’s treason. Do I think the Koch Brothers are treasonous, yes I do,” Kennedy explained.
“They are enjoying making themselves billionaires by impoverishing the rest of us. Do I think they should be in jail, I think they should be enjoying three hots and a cot at the Hague with all the other war criminals,” Kennedy declared.
“Do I think the Koch brothers should be tried for reckless endangerment? Absolutely, that is a criminal offence and they ought to be serving time for it,” he added.
Was that 310,000 or 120,000 people? Do lies matter?
The organisers bragged that 310,000 people went, but even sympathetic fans on their side who liked the rally are saying that “generously” it could only have been 120,000 at most. After counting heads with timers, and doing a decent calculation, Fire on the Mountain (I wish I had a name to credit) said “No way in hell were there 310,000 people on that march. “
It’s nice to see someone good with numbers for a change, and whom I can agree with at least on some points in this climate debate:
“I think that whoever is pumping this number is doing the movement a real disservice. I have written before about why I think inflated demo counts are such a bad thing, including this rather passionate short piece here at FotM. You may think that it’s harmless, a “little white lie,” but consider that this whole movement bases itself on the accuracy of numbers, numbers about global warming. It behooves us to be extra-careful about this.”
Good luck to Fire on the Mountain with trying to get some rational numbers into the climate debate. When whoever wrote that post finds out how hopeless the numbers are on ocean heat, on assumptions for positive feedback and how proof of man-made global warming comes from man-made adjustments, they might find realize that unbounded exaggeration of crowd numbers is the tip of the iceberg-of-lies. The crowd numbers were only tripled. The positive feedbacks have been exaggerated six-fold.
How many protesters were paid to turn up?
WattsUp reader Arvind found a Craigslist Ad to pay people to hand out flyers at the Climate March. Evidently passion for climate action is running so hot that they can’t find volunteers to pass out flyers and need to offer $50?
Full Video of event available here.
h/t Climate Depot and Marc Morano. H/t to Tom Nelson for the crowd counter post.
Good post from Andrew Bolt today about these ignorant global warming morons !
Climate of insanity:-
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/climate_of_insanity/
GLOBAL WARMING IS THE GREATEST SCAM IN HUMAN HISTORY !
CARBON DIOXIDE IS PLANT FOOD AND NOT POLLUTION !!
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This is what one would expect when the show is being run by the Communist Party, USA and other socialist entities.
And Mr. Kennedy has never had to earn a dollar in his whole life, so of course he would run around saying stupid stuff. And when asked if he was willing to give up his life style the answer was of course not.
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Yes and if the new social order succeeds, I wonder what will happen to the hypocritical celebrities? Socialism is not kind to those with mansions and a lavish lifestyle.
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They will be very well protected by the co-opted machinery of the state.
Progressives != Socialists.
Progressives = Neo-Fascist Corporate Statism, to provide the implementation machinery for Neo-Feudalism, wrapped in a thin veneer of Socialist Propaganda.
The Rockefellers are already the new Aristocracy.
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The Socialists have understood the essential value of control over entertainment going back to the research of the Frankfurt School in the 30s. UNESCO still does. It refers to its efforts to get at both aspects of what builds perceptions of events as ‘media education.’
Same reason too we now have such hyping of visual images and multimedia presentations instead of print.
What Naomi Klein is saying is nothing more than what British sociologist and former head of the London School of Economics that now holds the famous Fabian “remake the World” stained glass window, Anthony Giddens, wrote in the 90s: Even if global warming is not true, these are the politcies we want to be pursuing. Of course in other books he admits the desire to use policy to force Marx’s vision of history. That’s what these Climate Marchers want to. Continue the March Away from Individualism back to Collectivism now that capitalism has delivered up the ICT technology the Marxists believe they can use to plan societies and economies. That’s the crucial role of Big Data as the FuturICT conference already admitted. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/science-fiction-made-real-were-we-ever-to-know-in-time/
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RFID tags linked to pay wave, and your bank account allows total control – you just shut off someones ability to interact economically if they exhibit “deviant” behaviour.
Technology is already available.
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RFID embedded in your arm at birth. Also used to control location access.
No reason not to fit a kill switch for ultimate sanction.
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I used to wonder about that; did Communist central planning fail simply due to a lack of adequate data and realtime computing capacity? However there is unlikely to be a technical solution to most social problems. It’s been said before that the difference between communism and capitalism is that communism ignores the greed of human nature while capitalism harnesses it for good. Give the communist regime as much Google/FB/twitter/production data as they want and they will still crumble from within due to corruption and backstabbing. The decentralisation of power is helpful for the same reason decentralisation of production is helpful, it is inefficient but is more robust to failures. Communism is the epitome of “too big to fail”.
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Communism always failed because they misunderstood the nature of markets, and the role of prices as an information mechanism. The information is unknown to any one mind, and even in each person is often only held in the vaguest terms. For instance, could you express your indifference curves between a new piece of furniture and a replacing your car in a year or two?
There is a further problem. To generate the price information requires that the planners let the markets work. But the planners are opposed to that. They know better that the ignorant masses on the wants to be satisfied. They have notions of just prices, fair labor rates and soundness of business. That will lead to a surplus of the planner’s preferences and shortages of the things they dislike. The biggest thing that will be in short supply are people with the drive and energy to get things done. It is no accident that planned societies end up being being sclerotic, intolerant and drab.
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Very succinct Kevin.
“The Road to Serfdom” is required reading in this day and age.
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Hi Safetyguy66
Rather than Hayek’s popular book of 1944, I prefer two articles he wrote. Economics and Knowledge 1937 and The Use of Knowledge in Society 1945. These arose out of engaging in the problem of how to rationally plan a socialist commonwealth. The Communists had never considered it. As a result of their dogma and incompetence, millions died of starvation. As a result of their intolerance and blaming failure on others millions more were murdered or died in penal colonies. A similar mentality (though not the brutality) infects Naomi Klein and others who believe in “climate”.
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Andrew,
Communism attempts to stifle greed but in the process destroys individual initiative and effort. Why work harder than the rest when there is no additional benefit?
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A hard lesson finally learned by the founders of Plymouth Colony.
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Big Dave,
A statistic from 1970s USSR. Agricultural workers were given small plots of land to grow there own food and sell small amounts in local markets. This was just 1% of total agricultural land, but produced 30% of total output.
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He does indeed have a real job. He is an oil broker; convincing (extorting)evil Big Oil to supply lower income families with heating oil at reduced prices and taking a “modest” fee for himself. Works for him.
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Hmm. Okay, 310,000 people is the equivalent of a full University of Tennessee’s Neyland Stadium, the University of Alabama’s Bryant-Denny Stadium and the University of Michigan’s Michigan Stadium also known as The Big House. Get a picture of those filled up and count pixels. 120,000 ‘protesters’, yawn.
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Actually, a better estimate is only about 16,000. The press release was “world wide”, but that got subverted in the message. But others did a back of an envelope calculation and figured out that the ones in NYC were far less than what is being advertised – based on space requirements alone.
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You know there could not have been a big crowd.
Try to Google or go to youtube and search for climate march aerial video.
You know, the view you’d really need to show off a really large group of people. Like they do at sports events.
Now you know they’d never miss a chance to show off their crowd if’n they had one.
The elites flew in and no aerial video.
Movie stars flew in and no aerial video.
The pols flew in and no aerial video.
The media wants to prove this group is huge but, no aerial video.
Where’s NBC, ABC and MSNBC. Not even CNN has aerial video.
Do you have to wonder why?
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Surely someone would make an aerial video just because they are a news organisation? Or someone with a $200 drone?
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No shortage of rent an
ideoidiotlogue these days.Timed with the NY bunfest, Kerry contributed his usual:
And reported in the London Telegraph, following the money:
Rockefeller family sells out of fossil fuels and into clean energy
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Imagine if they were telling the truth…
Rockefeller heirs bankrupt selves with “renewable energy” investments..
Would be way too funny..
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They expect other people to pay – not themselves.
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Get the Rockefellers out of stuff that makes money and into stuff that doesn’t? Sounds too good to be true. Hope the bastards go broke.
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There has to be an angle TS. The next story you hear will be something like “US Govt. to provide 2 dollars for every 1 invested in renewables” or something to that effect. The Rockefellers would not be going near it unless the return was already guaranteed.
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Yup. Whatever the truth turns out to be, they’re not that foolish.
And no one announces they are going to sell their market holdings just before they do so. Watch the pea, not the hands.
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It would appear as though the Rockefeller’s have been pushed out of the oil business by the Russian oligarchs Malays and Iranians and are now looking elsewhere to score some dollars,plus the Saudis are controlling the US banks.
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“Malays and Iranians and are now looking elsewhere to score some dollars”
They’d prefer Yuan or roubles.
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The Rockerfellers will invest where they see the future profits. If this report is true, they appear here to be expecting Obama’s policies to prevail.
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That’s The Telegraph, not the London Telegraph.
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Indeed RoHa. Merely to avoid confusion with the Daily Telegraph.com.au, no misrepresentation or slight intended to either of the august publications, their residences or indeed their readers.
Over to The Herald Sun, referred to earlier by Angry #1, one respondent states:
weknowthedrill (Reply) Tue 23 Sep 14 (09:23am)
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There ya go, all I had to do was read down.
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That should make the Rockefeller name a byword for losing money so rapidly.
It seems that these people are all in favour of subsidies for “renewables” but don’t know why they are needed.
We’ve got some calling for a solar tower power station at Port Augusta, to replace the ageing coal fired one. Naturally the taxpayer is expected to contribute because there is a shortage of entrepreneurs willing to risk $500 million to produce a tenth as much power at 14 times the cost that the opposition (coal fired) can deliver electricity. I think it is time that passing a simple arithmetic exam became compulsory before admission to University.
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The 1899 exam to enter Harvard is instructive of the abilities that were once expected that have since been lost.
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I see that the most recent Harvard entrance exam only contains 2 questions.
1. How many generations back in your family can you trace those who voted Democrat.
2. Pick a number between one and ten. How many zero’s are there after that number in your family’s bank account.
By the way, from a quick perusal, I can actually answer one of those questions. On the History and Geography paper, see question lV, the question asks:
Easy. 78.77% of one lap of the Doomben Racecourse!
Tony.
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Tony, See OT post at #40 🙂
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The plain truth about that 1899 Harvard entrance exam is that one can be a well informed, well functioning contributing member of society without the Latin and the Greek.
Call me what you will but I’ve always preferred substance over being somehow an elite by virtue of having studied such stuff. Which is not to say that you shouldn’t do it if you have the interest. I simply prefer what is practical over what someone else thinks is necessary for me to be a well rounded (meaning in most cases, acceptable) individual.
The pity about what’s happening today is not so much that the rigor of the test has slipped, though that’s a problem too but what of a much more useful nature than Latin and Greek, like unadulterated history, has slipped down the drain with the reduction of the rigor.
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Hi Roy,
True (wrt Latin & Greek)- however the exam would have been reasonably difficult to do in 1899 – the point is it represented a real hurdle, and how many real hurdles does someone need to get over to get into a degree at an Australian University?
Today – It is still beneficial to understand another language, “actual” history, and Mathematics as a foundation for operation in the world.
However – self learning is definitely required, now more than ever.
(I’m a bit rambly – still on my first coffee…)
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Me too!
And you’re spot on about another language. But I think it would be good if it’s a language that some group around you speaks, in other words, useful — in my case, Spanish. Who speaks Latin anymore?
I have regretted that I never went beyond a one semester introductory course in Español. It could have served me very well many times. And by now, having not used what I did know, I couldn’t even get beyond saying, “Good morning.”
Enjoy the coffee. There’s nothing better than hot coffee in the morning.
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I am not as deficient in languages, as I am passable in German and French. But I HAD to take Spanish in middle school, so I resented it. And as soon as I could, I dropped it.
Then I married a woman who is Mexican and speaks it in the house with her family. DOH! So now I am learning it the hard way!
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Phil,
My wife was born in The Netherlands and is fluent in Dutch. Her conversations with her family are Greek to me. She also spent 2 years living in Mexico city and is quite fluent in Spanish, which she picked up from being immersed in a Spanish speaking environment. Her conversations with both our yard service and housecleaner are also Dutch to me.
So here I am not being able to converse even a useful sentence in either. Do you think I should get one of those language courses I see advertised and try to teach an old dog a new trick at my age? 😉
I never get enough of it at once to learn it the hard way. 🙁
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Dutch is a hard German from what I understand (harsher consonants). I can almost understand it when I hear it, but of course the spelling is all wrong and the little I think I get, usually I get wrong!
I have thought about Rosetta Stone. But I found by intense listening, I can pick up a lot. I do not understand every word, but get enough of them that I can piece together some meanings. Given my in-laws (and now an adopted daughter) are fluent in Spanish, I have picked up a fair amount, so I understand about 40%. Speaking however is a joke! When I go to say something (since I know the basic phrases), it comes out in French!
I have heard the commercials for Rosetta stone, but never tried it (I tried a “Berlitz” course that was not really that good). So if you take the plunge, let me know how it goes. And good luck. Greek is not the only thing that is greek to me! 😉
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Phil,
If I take the plunge I’ll by all means let you know. But at this point in my life I don’t think I would have the necessary dedication to it.
A newborn has a fantastic built in incentive to learn to converse with it’s parents and the world around it. A child can even learn two or more languages easily if in a multilingual environment. But after that there has to be some similar drive to learn other languages. And frankly, I’ve never had that drive, which is why I never went on with Spanish. Other things have always captured my interest and the incentive just isn’t there. I could spend all day for looking for a solution to a software problem without tiring of it. I once spent 3 solid weeks on one problem only to realize that I had been looking at the cause for most of that time and didn’t recognize it (note to self: kick yourself for that one). But without that fire in the belly it just doesn’t work.
I have asked my wife to explain some aspects of Dutch to satisfy my curiosity. But since her family is also fluent in English I’ve no real need for Dutch. The same for Spanish.
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I don’t seem to have much drive for proofreading either. Getting old I guess. 🙁
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AH! Unfortunately (fortunately?) for me, my wife converses in the language often, so I either have to figure it out or sit there and look stupid. Which I am very good at doing BTW. 😉
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OK, I listened. The birds are singing. The morning breeze is blowing gently. The cat purrs if I stroke her. But mother nature’s screams are not there. I wonder where they could be.
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But Roy. How can you be so blind to the four Hiroshima bombs per second of excess heat that the climate system has been absorbing since 1998, or (as John Cook put it in a talk at Bristol University last Friday) equivalent to a zillion trillion kitten sneezes?
Maybe because it is alarmist nonsense.
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And in Newcastle I have just fed the Magpie which comes every morning and expect the Kookaburras a little later in the day.
Spring is here but still a chill in the morning; perfect weather.
Compared with the humans around me Mother Nature is “no sweat”.
KK
Which reminds me after watching Robert F Kennedy on the big NY march last night I do need something to boost my faith in people.
He’s not all there but has very strong, entrenched opinions.
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Must be hiding in the deep ocean along with the missing heat.
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The screaming is occurring inside his own head.
Especially at night, in the darkness and the stillness – the screams are ravens pecking, pecking, pecking at his mind.
Insistent, demonic, screams.
Only if he can get everyone screaming can he dull the horror within his own mind.
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In other words, they’re getting out of petro-dollars???
Playing the currency-killing game, are they?
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Mr Kennedy – you are the treasonous one. You promote a fraud, a scam which is ripping $billions if not $trillions from taxpayers all around the world. our power prices are skyrocketing and our businesses are failing. our elderly are switching off their power as they cannot afford to pay the bill. it is YOU sir who needs to be jailed! moron …
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His judgement might be impaired? Would he pass an illicit substances test? My memory tells me that he didn’t always.
When his cousin flew a light aircraft into the darkness and then the ocean, his family cremated the victims at the earliest opportunity. No chance of any exhumations there.
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I just had a look at the Bolt video and the other idiocy that Jo linked to as well.
These people are barking mad. No facts but stupid delusional nonsense about some planet that only exists in their fevered imaginations.
What an embarrassment they are to the human race,
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[SNIP]
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[SNIP – OT]
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[SNIP. Fair point]
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[SNIP. OT]
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I can only assume that you wish to degrade this site. False flag, Moby? Seriously?
The people who worry me the most are extremists of any kind, and the types of people who try to create division where none need exist … your posts are exemplar.
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I meant a red thumb…I agree with Bulldust and Fly.
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Hilarious; who said the mods on this site had no sense of humour.
🙂
KK
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Every time I see that I laugh.
Good Point ; Snip anyhow!!
KK
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Nup.
Both your assumptions and your conclusions do not hold water.
Your proposition (what there is of it) leaks badly.
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🙂
‘The spread of stupid.
🙂
Love it
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Check out this LUNATIC KERRY !!!
Kerry: Scripture Commands USA to Protect Muslim Countries Against Global Warming
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-TV/2014/09/03/Kerry-The-Bible-Commands-America-Protects-The-Planet-For-Muslim-Countries
What drugs is he taking??????
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Kerry is quite bizarre
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But he does have “big hair” ™
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Big head too!
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Which is often lampooned – don’t mention Horses, apples and chicken wire fences…
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Maybe Steyn can now nail Mann see climateaudit.org
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Great catch Eliza
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One of the problems with a social movement like Global Warming (actually anti social) is that politicians take notice. That is the point of the marches, to influence elections. It does not matter if it is right or wrong or utter nonsense. After all, most politicians just want to get elected and in a traditionally left vs conservatives tight election, they all compete for the few allegedly undecided voters. It has brought Greens to power, where they can attack Jews and Israel because it is the Green caring thing to do?
A similar thing happened in the 1980s when Time magazine announced on the front page that 10% of all men were gay and a million people marched on Washington to support Gay Rights. So 20%-30% of all married men,according to Time, had been in an exclusively gay relationship for at least 3 years? This really influenced politics for a few years until it was shown to be absurd and then ignored. These marches are not to convince anyone of anything other than that there are a lot of votes in it. Once politicians recognize these are not really swinging voters, but the same old anarchists pushing any credible destroy the joint like land rights for gay whales,
once it is recognized there are no votes in an issue, as in NZ, it dies. Then funding stops. Then it is really dead.
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Politicians normally love a crowd.
(except those with burning torches and pitchforks…)
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… and don’t forget the barrels of hot tar and the bags of feathers for their associates … 🙂
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I’m going to qualify that- because I’m wrong.
Politicians love any crowd. Even those with burning torches and pitchforks.
The aim is to get in front of the crowd – or behind it – but always “visibly” aligned with the crowd.
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Tdef says…
Except for the millstone of legislative legacy that hangs around like a mouldering corpse at a wedding.
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ExWarmist: why would there be a mouldering corpse hanging around at a wedding? I’ve not heard this one before!
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Just seemed to fit the idea of legislative hangover…
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You must have been to some ‘interesting’ weddings?
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I’m actually a medical pathologist, my cars personalised number plate is “DOA”…
(Just kidding…)
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In general, I’m in favour of socialism and redistribution of wealth (especially if more of it gets distributed to me) but I don’t see anything particularly socialistic about replacing coal mines with “renewables”. Quite the contrary for Britain. The coal mines were nationalised; the wind turbines lead to redistribution of public wealth to private hands.
Publically owned industry can produce just as much CO2 as privately owned industry.
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RoHa,I’m for Nationalism and the redistribution of wealth,how about we form a new political party,your Socialists with my Nationalists and we will call it the Social Nationalist Party or even better the National Socialist Party…yeah I think it will work,I’ve even thought of a catchy slogan..”One People,One Nation,One Leader”does that sound good to you,gee I hope no-one has done it already!
Oh bummer I Googled it and it seems as though someone has already done it some Austrian artist Adolf something or other,maybe no-one will remember some obscure artist from the 40’s,we could give it a go.
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No, I’ll stick with good, old fashioned, socialism, thanks. I remember how your idea turned out last time.
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RoHa,
Britain is a mess – good luck with the next 10 years.
(… something…. something… chickens…homes…roost…)
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These “individuals” must be locked up in a padded cell for their own good as well as the rest of the population !!!
WTF !
http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/09/22/tim-cook-john-kerry-kick-off-new-yorks-climate-week/
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Not the best solution.
It would be better to laugh them off stage.
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They crave credibility, significance, importance, relevance.
It is better to deny them these things with lampooning humour, rather than to jail them, which will only reinforce their self concept as fighters for justice.
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I believe you are correct. Satirical biting humor is the trick. Letters to editor, cartoons,…
But it has to be much more than just in the Blogosphere. Twitter seems an effective medium. Others?
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Agreed.
The 1st battleground is the media.
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Ok Then,
Let’s do the maths, and keep it simple, shall we?
Let’s be generous here.
The NYC march was approximately Three thousand Two hundred metres (3.2 km) in length.
The marchers were on average, three to four traffic lanes wide, or half the street, plus one lane.
Lets also be generous and say each marcher occupied roughly one square metre of space.
Yes, the videos and news clips show that this is a bit tight, but we are creating a baseline and being generous. Work with me here.
New York is also rather odd with it’s street width.
(The problem with trusting committees and do gooders, but that is a whole separate argument. However, lets go with the larger size of 33 metres, wall to wall, approx.)
So, based on simple numbers and square metres, how many ageing hippies and socialists, failed students and other malcontent’s can we crush into this space?
Let’s knock off, say, two metres for each footpath.
So, (33 m – 4m = 29m) estimated road width.
Then let’s divide that by two, to get an estimated carriage way size, each side.
So, (29m / 2 = 14.5m) estimated width of total dual (North/South – East/West) carriage way.
Given that a single USA lane size size varies, we go for an average to work out how many lanes are in each carriageway.
However, the standard is (3.7m), as proscribed by the the U.S. Interstate Highway System and for the sake of argument, we go with that.
This gives us three lanes, or (14.5m / 3.7m = 3.9)
Again, for arguments sake, we will allot the Gutters, Kerb constructs, traffic management devices, etc to the (.9m) and call it (3 lanes of 3.7m), in round figures, for each each carriageway.
The target audience appears to consume each carriageway and one lane from the prevailing carriageway.
That works out to (3.7 m x 4 lanes = 14.8m) of street width, on average.
So, then, we have the following approximate length and width, being; (3200 m x 14.8 m = 47,360 square metres).
This would then equate to one m2 per predominately innumerate and it would appear, mostly illiterate, activist and their fellow travellers, for a total of (47,360) Such Darlings, give or take ten percent. Again, being generous.
Now, you can be as generous as you like with these figures, but by no strange stretch of the imagination, will they ever get over the total width of the entire street.
So, using magic unicorn numbers, all the while ignoring street furniture and other obstacles, and reverting back to our to total estimated width, that would give us a approximate maximum of (3200m x 33m = 105,600 square metres) being the length of the procession, and the width of the carriageway, as measured wall to wall.
This then equates, in magic unicorn numbers, to a total of (105,600) Such Darlings, give or take ten percent. Again, being generous.
Furthermore, by no strange stretch of the imagination, do the figures lie about how many care, as a percent of the total NYC population.
Convert Such Caring Darlings to a percentage of the total NYC population is as follows;
According to Wikipedia, one of the favourite leftist authorities, we have (8,405,837) New Yorkers
So, we convert est. Such Caring Darlings to a percentage of this population (((105,600 / 8,405,837) x 100) = 1.2562%)
Again, we have Occupy numbers, or a greater than Zero but no greater than One and a Half Percent. Paid or otherwise.
That is, unless we count the likes of Australian Such Caring Darlings and convert them to a percentage of any local population.
Unfortunately the figures were to small to bother with.
So, lets loose the Trolls and those with better maths.
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Nicely done. You are being really generous about lane widths in NYC. Having made the huge mistake of actually taking a car into Manhattan in the early 80’s, the lanes are as narrow as they can possibly make them. That’s on the order of 2.7m wide as the permissible range is 2.7 to 3.6m (9-12′ excluding gutters and curbs) for urban lane widths so you are giving them an edge of up to 20% or so.
How dare you be fair. You’re supposed to be an evil denier who twists everything… didn’t you get your script before the
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The only time I have driven in Manhatten, was to park my (hire) car in an underground garage.
Several days later, it took me well over two hours to find it again. Note to self: Always remember which egress you used when leaving a car park.
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These incidents are full of crime and deep hatred for America and capitalists, unless of course there money came from capitalists.
The Kennedy fortune was started bootlegging liquor into the US during probation. Being a crooked, but clever man, Joe Kennedy Sr. diversified his illegal smuggling fortune in to other capitalistic businesses and made a fortune. President Franklin Roosevelt appointed Joe Kennedy Sr. as ambassador to the UK. But he was so pro-Nazi that Roosevelt had to recall him because of British complaints about him making such pro-Hitler comments. But the fortune was made and none of the Kennedy family ever had to work again, including Robert Kennedy Jr. Dirty money, pro-Nazi leanings and a lust for money left Robert Kennedy Jr. free to make such nasty and idiotic comments.
The Rockefellers made their fortune in big oil. Then the second and third generation offspring, like the Kennedys, never had to work or study, or do anything it was all given to them. As their wasted lives continue to wax rich based on Big Oil, they too can be radical leftists just as the Kennedy generations have become.
News here in the US showed the hundreds of tons of waste and garbage left by these radical leftists. All leftists demonstrations trash and litter the parks with garbage. In contrast, when conservatives demonstrate or march they leave the parks and streets as clean as they found them. A small thing I guess, but littering public property is a crime.
By the way these near riots or riots conducted by the Occupy Wall Street groups in the run up to the 2012 election helped Obama win the election. Soon as the election was won for the Democrats the Occupy Wall Street demonstrations slowly melted away because their job was done.
Now Obama is going to spend $billions on Global Warming and wealth redistribution from the middle class to the elites and to the poor the Democrats keep in poverty because of their block voting for the Democrats. Is it any surprise that nasty marches for global warming follow Obama’s announcement?
Marches, violence, riots, all follow major announcements by the radical leftists. This is all part of the radical leftists play book.
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Progressives – working hard to achieve the very ends that they claim to reject.
Progressives – working hard to roll back the Renaissance, and reassert political(?) authority as the arbiter of what is the truth/fact (instead of data & reason).
Progressives – working hard to entrench the status quo of fascist corporate statism where powerful corporates co-opt the machinery of the state and the political process, to ensure their continued incumbency and profits.
Progressives – working hard to entrench a neo-feudalist society where unaccountable elites will own both the corporate and state machinery, and most of the rest of the society will eke out a miserable hand to mouth existence as serfs.
Progressives – working hard to manage the demands of the military industrial complex and the academic media complex to provide both the machinery of fascist dictatorship and the propaganda to make the serf’s love their serfdom.
Progressives – just plain working hard ….
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ExWarmist–Spot on. You captured the nitty-gritty of the radical left’s plans and objectives they are meeting.
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The elephant in the room is still invisible. Even if AGW could be proven to be real (which by most accounts doesn’t appear to be) what could we do about it anyway? Does anyone really think countries like the US, China, India, Russia, much of Europe are going to curtail their CO2 emissions in such a way to make even a 0.1 degree difference over the long term? Of course not. It’s all about power, money and lies, not science and truth. Corruption is spreading in all quarters now. Good science is dead, thanks mostly to the majority of scientists themselves, both the silent majority and the vocal and pro-AGW minority. The irony of it all is I do believe it could be proven in a court of law that the AGW story is wrong at best and a deliberate scam and hoax at worst. Yet, no one is prepared to do it – perhaps because it would take a lot of money, time and effort.
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Never ask them to prove their theory. They never answer or they hand you back a line of bull so long it gets boring to listen to. They do, of course, see the invisible elephant. Otherwise they would offer up their evidence with great relish.
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The same ones that they have always been. Solialists and communists havwe never cared about rationality and measurements nor understanding nor about truth.
“Ideological deniers of climate change” was always an emotional reaction, never a real attempt at understanding.
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How the ‘peoples march’ has been corporatised:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/09/19/how-the-peoples-climate-march-became-a-corporate-pr-campaign/
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They’ve found the best excuse yet to exercise power and they won’t let go of the CAGW meme, no matter how much science and reason is thrown at their dogma.
Unfortunately, these zealots are playing into the hands of a much bigger and more sinister agenda, but too stupid to recognise it.
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Yes!
They are nothing but USEFUL IDIOTS……
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Lets play devils advocate for a minute. Lets say that these poor miss guided people at these Climate marches are right for once in their miserably lives and that the climates going to warm up by 2-3 degrees C. Lets just say that for a minute, it goes with out saying that thing at sometime in the future then the climate forecasts will then became the weather some day then won’t it. Well what would that look like then? A daily temperature raise of a 2-3 degrees C and we’re all going to die and the world will come to a end or some thing right? Well the global mean temperature is 14 degrees C and in Melbourne (Victoria)on the day of the Climate March it was 17.5 to 18 degrees C that’s 3.5 to 4 degrees of warning over global mean temperatures isn’t it. Monday the temperature in Melbourne was 24 degrees C and today its 26 degrees C. So isn’t that the same as a climate change of 3.5 to 4 degrees on Sunday and an 10 degree Climate Change yesterday and a 12 degree climate Change today right now, isn’t. When that point in the future is reached when the Climate Change forecast become the then weather isn’t that actually what its going to look like? Well isn’t it?
Question then how many of these protestors dyed, did the Polar Ice Caps melt and flood Melbourne did the sky fall in on us some time during this protest or in the last couple of day’s. I didn’t hear about it did any of you? Has the world ended and some one forgot to tell us please anyone that was in that protest please tell us I’m shore we all would like to know.
REALITY CHECK
Its been both warmer in the past and cooler and when it was warm we as a topical species we did well from it and suffered when it was colder the history books have spoken and as for Co2 levels well lets see for the last 5-600 million years for 85 percent of the time Co2 levels have been over 1000 ppm and for 66 percent of that same time period its been over 2000 ppm. The Dinosaurs are also proof that life isn’t going to be wiped out and the world will come to a end if Co2 level double form pre-industrial levels why you ask, well they lived very well for themselves in a world of 2200 to 2400 pmm Co2 with a mean temperature that was only 2 degrees warmer than our current mean temperature of 14 degrees C.
Its safe to say no one dyed in the protest march on Sunday from Climate Change and our climate is use to a hole lot more Co2 than we have now. Isn’t it.
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Jo has absolutely nailed the underlying theme of this CAGW publicity stunt, unbridled hatred for any non believers of their pseudo religion.
I have watched quite a few videos of interviews at this gathering and I’ll say that considering the amount of well known people there and the coverage given there was little held back by these zealots in their vitriol, in fact the more that one would vent to the crowd the next would try to outdo with something more outrageous, I almost expected a Beer Hall Putsch to break out.
When I’d discovered a celebrity or anyone I liked was a follower of this cult I was disappointed, over time it turned to disgust, now I’m just insulted and very pissed off, if this latest lot of world domination wannabee’s think they’re smarter than the previous lot then good for them, it just makes knocking them back down all the more satisfying.
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Progressives celebrate Hatred.
It’s a core value masked as Righteous Indignation at Injustice (RIJ).
You can tell it’s really hatred as the RIJ is always highly selective in it’s targets.
BTW: Progressives never saw a politically available division of society that they didn’t love – and which they would not then work to entrench.
Divide and Conquer in action.
The more tribes there are hating the Other – the more opportunity for political exploitation to gain advantage over all.
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‘Progressives celebrate Hatred.’ very much like ‘Hate Week Re-1984.
Except we are the enemy of the party, we deniers of climate are seen as Eurasia or Eastasia it matters not as we’re hated for simply not complying to the ideals of the cult, the abduction of the word ‘climate’ is simply a form of ‘Doublethink’ as demonstrated by Naomi Klein above, it doesn’t matter if it’s correct science as long as you can hold two contradictory ideas in your mind at the same time and accept this concept as normal.
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Agreed.
Unfortunately – every human emotional response is available for political co-option.
Fear, Hatred, Desire, Needs for Purpose & Meaning are the easy ones.
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OT. (But relevant on a recent thread).
Steve McIntyre does a brilliant job of taking down the Hide the Decline gang.
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Actually the poster of this brilliant piece was “Jean S” on SMs site.
My mistake.
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How come they weren’t all wearing Guy Fawkes masks?. Lets face it, they are the same rentacrowd. The arguments they present haven’t changed in 15 years. They are like automated drones bleating the same old bylines years after every argument they’ve ever put forward has been roundly debunked. Stoopid.
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They haven’t changed in 50 years as they’re the same lame arguments the “flower children” made in the 1960’s… and they too were finger puppets of Progressive Marxists.
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When confronted with pro socialist persons I ask them but one question. Name 1 socialist country with the same standard of living, social support and freedoms of Australia as it is today. This shuts them up pretty quick. Come to think of it our environmental management is probably better than any socialist country as well.
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Wow, thanks Graeme, I’ll add this to my favourite question to ask lefty, apologists…
Name a society enhanced by:
1. Islam
2. Socialism
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“Name the rights of women defended by Islam?”
“How does socialism or Islam defend free speech?”
“What is the Socialist strategy for avoiding co-option by the uber wealthy?”
“In Saudi Arabia, Atheism and Homosexuality are defined as crimes – how does that sit with Socialism?”
“Assuming the advent of a socialist utopia – what will motivate people to continue to produce real goods and services when the fruits of their labour will be forcibly redistributed to those who are unwilling to produce any goods or services of any sort?”
“If I spend an hour defecating into a bucket is that equal in value to an hour of your labour – or was Marx’s theory of labour value wrong?”
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Actually my mistake.
This has already happened.
And the answer is – the costs of non compliance (jail) outweigh the costs of compliance – for now.
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Dear Sir, I wish to subscribe to you newsletter.
Also I noticed last week that leftist stalwart Mungo Maccallum on the ABC had a red hot go at being anti-war on the Islamic State… despite the war being pitched against a group that absolutely nobody wants to defend and about which absolutely nothing good can be said. I mean, the industrial military complex couldn’t hope for a better enemy to help “move product” with the possible exception of extraterrestrials. You’d think the anti-war meme would be an uphill battle for Maccallum under such adverse circumstances, but he effortlessly trots out the most inane argument possible: that one group isn’t guilty if any other group got away with the same action, and that we should not even try to right wrongs.
How can someone who’s anti-war be immoral? Somehow he succeeded.
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Sorry Andrew, were you talking to me?
I don’t have a newsletter – my apologies if I took your comment too literally.
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Socialism: NONE
Islam: NONE
Then try asking them:
They’ll give you all sorts of BS answers if they answer at all. Then you have ammunition with which to answer them back.
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Australian freedoms? Would they be the same freedoms currently under assault by the Liberal-in-name-only Party?
Yes there is an insidious threat to security and Western-style civilisation happening in Iraq and Syria, so why is Abbott’s first response to attack Australians’ rights at home? Have the terrorists already won before even setting foot in this country?
Is Abbott the Australian Dubya? The parallels are eerie.
And now the cops have shot a guy who allegedly “made threats against” Dear Leader Tony, which is now right after the new ASIO/police powers and biometric scanners were announced. It’s all so terribly convenient.
Why is this London boy so terribly keen to convert Australia back into a prison?
Does Tonekiel not realise that if a wave of public beheadings occurs at the hands of jihadi salafiists, it’s not because ASIO failed to stop them, it’s because jihadi salafiists are nutjobs. An event which did not occur cannot be the cause of any other event. Police powerlessness is not to blame if terrorists attack, the terrorists are to blame. Sorry, am I making too much sense?
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The drive to stop a crime is a very real threat to everybody.
Previously, the way to reduce crime in society was to make the punishment harsh enough that it caused the perpetrator to think before acting. Some crimes still happen, but they set the example for other would-be criminals.
But what do you do to a society to stop crimes? It seems more like a philosophical question than a practical one, because I know very well that the harder you squeeze people the more they rebel against it. You create crime by believing you can prevent it altogether.
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In the U.S. the Supreme Court has always taken the position that prior restraint, which is what we’re talking about here, is unconstitutional. But there’s a growing sentiment that we should punish or otherwise restrain someone for what we think he might do. It’s pernicious and dangerous to the freedom that this nation and any nation that values personal freedom is all about.
The idea that we must rehabilitate the criminal (poor baby) rather than punish him has also taken hold in a big way. Yet provably, it doesn’t work. I’ve no objection if it happens but genuine rehabilitation happens because the criminal want’s to change his attitude, not because he sat in umpteen sessions with a psychologist. The psychologist may help the few who want to change but for the others it’s practical a joke — a joke on us.
I think even punishment doesn’t do what we want it to do. The penalty for murder is well known, yet murders are committed at an alarming rate. But we should lock up the criminal for a long time because it protects the rest of us from his undesirable, possibly dangerous activities.
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If you want real crime prevention you have to stay vigilant and take other measures to reduce your vulnerability. Lock things up and keep valuables out of sight. And nothing succeeds like a regular police presence and at night, light up your doors and backyard. The possibility of being seen sends the would be thief elsewhere.
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The following is an interesting review of Naomi Klein’s new book ‘This Changes Everything’ which is an anti-industrial development book. Klein believes in a fairy tale world, where green energy is not a scam. Climate ‘change’ is the wedge to create her personal socialistic vision. Silly reality, more than 10 observation and analysis results that support the assertion that roughly 90% of the warming in the last 50 years was due to solar magnetic cycle changes rather than atmospheric CO2 and that the planet has now started to cool are not even considered, irrelevant to her fantasy.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-debate/the-it-girl-of-climate-change-doesnt-get-it/article20736274/#dashboard/follows/
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Have you ever noticed how cretins like this always exhort the ordinary people to revolt and take charge, you know, get them to do all the heavy lifting for them while they just continue with their privileged lives. Not just this woman, but all of those involved in the upper reaches of this humungous con.
These people at the top actually DO have the power, umm, so they tell us. Why don’t they just speak with their collective voice of authority, and just get their Governments to turn off those coal fired power plants. It couldn’t be too hard for them. The Government would surely listen if it came from the collected voices of those people at the top of this Climate Pyramid.
Tony.
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How bizarre, did you know ‘Mein Kampf’ was originally titled ‘Dies alles andert’ or ‘This changes everything’?
I think there’s something in that for all of us.
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The good Reverend Thorofare 🙂
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Let’s not lose sight of the fact that it may come to blows with these fanatics before it all settles down. They appear increasingly desperate and desperation makes them potentially very dangerous.
It’s not enough that civilization has a bunch of the most bloodthirsty killers imaginable to deal with. We must now also deal with potential danger from climate change believers too.
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Very likely.
As the cult implodes, true believers get very unhinged.
The last place they will look is to their beliefs, the concept that they could be mistaken will not be considered.
First they seek a scapegoat; Deniers spreading confusion.
Then its holier than thou; We have the truth.
Then comes violence, as they attack everything except their own stupidity.
Persons most at risk will be prominent sceptics.
Until the cult turns on its own, then it will be pure entertainment.
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Roy, John,
Churchills quote is relevant – better to fight now – then later…
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Amen to that.
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” … the other war criminals.”
Let’s hope the targets of that remark develop a Mannian litigious streak.
http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2014/09/19/the-twitter-chainsaw-massacre/
Pointman
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I loved the deflated balloon (popped on the horns of the Wall St Bull by accident) as the eco alarmistas flooded Wall St , a few hundred rather than thousands. It offered a fine symbol of the failed CAGW concept,a hilarious counterpoint to the hysterical muppets parading their stupidity and ignorance in public.
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am reading “Branson: Behind the Mask” by Tom Bower, so i’m fully immersed in CAGW hypocrisy & irony at present. how this guy has remained a darling of the CAGW crowd is beyond me.
anyway, watching hundreds of thousands or whatever number of Americans, so many of whom were part of the Occupy Wall St crowd, march with and for the Bankers/Financiers who dominate the CAGW game these days (World Bank included), & want to loot every pension fund they can get their hands on, without a thought for the world’s poor, was a little surreal!
23 Sept: BloombergBusinessweek: Christopher Martin: Santander Tops Green Bank List as Europe’s Lenders Surge
As global investments in clean energy sank 11 percent to $245 billion last year, banks found a new opportunity: funding, advising and leading the initial public offerings of renewable-power investment firms called yield companies.
Yieldcos, as they’re known, grow by purchasing the solar, wind and other power plants that supply utilities under long-term contracts. From a trickle a few years ago, they’ve raised more than $3.8 billion since 2013 as of mid-September, Bloomberg Markets magazine will report in its November issue.
Buoyed by their work for this expanding industry, Royal Bank of Canada (RY) and New York–based Goldman Sachs Group Inc. moved into the top five in Bloomberg Markets’ ranking of the world’s greenest banks.
The results come as more than 120 heads of state gather today in New York for the world’s largest summit on climate change…
Investors — especially banks — like yieldcos because utilities pay the firms a steady stream of cash for the electricity produced by their solar and wind installations…
“We’ll see a lot more of these coming because they fill a desire for both conservative and sustainability-minded investors,” says Nathaniel Bullard, an analyst at Bloomberg New Energy Finance in Hong Kong…
European banks dominated the annual ranking. Spain’s Banco Santander SA regained the top spot it lost to Citigroup Inc. last year. No. 2 BNP Paribas SA of France, No. 3 UniCredit SpA of Italy, No. 7 HSBC Holdings Plc of the U.K., No. 9 SEB AB of Sweden and Credit Suisse Group AG of Switzerland, which tied for 10th place with JPMorgan Chase & Co. of the U.S., all converged in the top 10…
U.S. banks didn’t fare as well. One big reason: The tax credits for wind projects that helped propel them in last year’s ranking expired, sending development plunging 92 percent. U.S. lenders also fell as Bloomberg’s ranking considered a bank’s coal investments as a liability for the first time…
China led the world in coal investments…
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-09-23/santander-tops-green-bank-list-as-europe-s-lenders-surge
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Richard Branson has always been an enigma to me. First question is- How come he has not been bankrupted by now, unlike all the other entrepreneurs?
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Plutocrats = Aristocrats = above the law = unaccountable = the Neo Feudalist Order.
I rate Richard as “Baron” amongst the worlds Aristocracy.
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and to think that the following would appear in the MSM within 24 hours of the march only highlights the Orwellian nature of the CAGW scam. no doubt ABC/Fairfax’s love affair with Obama and his praise for his CAGW credentials will continue unabated:
23 Sept: UK Daily Mail: David Martosko: Projected US nuclear weapons spending hits $1 TRILLION – just five years after Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize
The US spent more in 2014 on nuclear weapons research, development, testing and production than ever, including during World War II
2009 Nobel Peace Prize honored Obama for furthering a ‘vision of a world free from nuclear arms’
The stunning news from The New York Times comes just five years after a newly minted Obama won the Prize for, in part, using international diplomacy to further a ‘vision of a world free from nuclear arms.’
The Nobel committee wrote just nine months after Obama took office that his creation of a ‘new climate in international politics’ had already led to ‘dialogue and negotiations’ being ‘preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts.’
‘The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations,’ Obama’s award citation read, describing his accomplishments…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2765493/Projected-US-nuclear-weapons-spending-hits-1-TRILLION-just-five-years-Obama-s-Nobel-Peace-Prize.html
22 Sept: Reason: Nick Gillespie: US Now Bombing ISIS in Syria…Developing
And so it begins. Who would have thought even a year ago that a) we would be bombing Syria and b) the target would not be the Assad regime?…
Worth remembering: Josh Rogin in The Daily Beast, on September 15, 2014:
– The White House has an answer for critics who want to know how the Obama administration can justify striking ISIS inside Syria under international law: If and when we actually do it, we will come up with a legal justification then. –
(Nick Gillespie is the editor in chief of Reason.com and Reason TV and the co-author of The Declaration of Independents: How Libertarian Politics Can Fix What’s Wrong With America)
http://reason.com/blog/2014/09/22/us-now-bombing-syriadeveloping
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I wonder if Obama knows about that. He was so anxious to give away such weapons to Putin just before the 2012 election. Trading our good stuff for Putin’s obsolete and deteriorating systems was such a good idea to him that you’d think he would stop all nuclear weapon research.
I also wonder where that came from. To my knowledge we have tested no nuclear weapon since the test ban treaty went into effect. You can’t really hide such a thing for very long, even if done underground.
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Roy,
hey, maybe they modelled it!!!
Tony.
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Not even a fool would try to rely on a weapon he could not test first. But you get an A for humor. 😉
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I believe the Jews do exactly that Roy. Except that I would trust their weapons to work.
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I have always wondered if Israel has tactical nukes. And I hope we never find out.
But I don’t know where they would have tested them.
I doubt that we would have sold such weapons to anyone, not even Israel.
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The nuclear reaction happens, when the mass goes critical. The parameters around that are now so well known, that you can by a simple pamphlet on the subject (written in Arabic, of course).
The current research is into triggering mechanisms, and the “most efficient” way to get a critical mass when you want it, without getting one at a time when it would be inconvenient.
You don’t need to produce large holes in the desert to do that.
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I’m no nuclear bomb genius and I admit that. But if we’re building more bombs that’s a treaty violation as well. And believe it or not, I would not try any redesign without the real test — not when my country may hang in the balance.
Personally I would never have signed such a treaty. Take a good look at how much good it did. And it’s looking more and more like there may be a nuclear exchange with Iran. If you aren’t sure your gun will go off when you pull the trigger… …well, I think you get what I’m talking about.
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Unlike climate models with thousands of unknowns, variables, unknown interactions between variables, the physics of bombs is very well understood and simulated. So this is perfectly feasible.
By comparison climate modelling even on a small scale is like predicting the path of a sock in a washing machine. Now talk about billions of socks. Climate itself is highly variable from one side of the house to the other. Worse, according to Our BOM, you cannot even trust thermometers and have to rely on thermometers hundreds of kilometers away to get an accurate picture of what happened around a thermometer in a Stevenson screen, which after all was supposed to screen out unwanted side effects.
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My experience, as limited as it is, tells me that nothing will allow you to measure air temperature accurately when the sun is shining. At night you have a fighting chance. But nothing can prevent the sun from affecting your thermometer reading.
With that said, I wonder if there’s a real problem with measurements during daylight as long as the screening mechanism and the location stay constant. My gut says no problem. It’s when they start playing games that the measurements become suspect.
In any case, the reading at location X tells you all you need to know about location X. Readings at a distance tell you nothing about X.
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It would be easy if Obama had the nerve to ask Congress for a declaration of war against ISIS and all other terrorists anywhere they’re found. But of course, he can’t do that without admitting the seriousness of the situation. Instead he wants to dodge the leadership responsibility that comes with living in the White House to the fullest extent he can get away with. And what he’s done is almost symbolic in nature compared with the real task in front of him.
Time after time he has only done something right after being pretty literally shamed into it. Otherwise his decisions are all about getting the best political advantage he can from whatever the situation is.
Just my 10 cents worth so by all means make up your own mind. But remember, I’ve been watching him for a long time.
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I finally located what looks like a fairly comprehensive list chronicling how Islam has been at war with the west generally and the U.S. specifically since 1972. It doesn’t include anything done against U.S. interests abroad, such as the Khobar Towers, the USS Cole and many others.
It has already been a fight with Islam for 42 years. How much justification is required before we can fight back?
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Captured ISIS terrorists should be condemned to be hunting attendants for Dick Cheney. 🙂
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There’s no use capturing these vermin. You take them down where you find them.
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But Obama has put a bag limit on them.
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It’s not exactly a bag limit but it works to that effect. And we’ll almost certainly regret that. It’s no longer useful to argue the wisdom of going into Iraq in the first place. But our failure to keep up the responsibility we took on once involved there will be the most serious mistake a United States President ever made.
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LOL:
20 Sept: Sky News: AAP: Protest expected at G20 finance meeting
Protesters will take to the streets in Cairns in the hope of putting climate change at the forefront of the minds of finance ministers and central bankers from the world’s richest nations…
http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2014/09/21/protest-expected-at-g20-finance-meeting.html
21 Sept: SBS: G20 ‘test run’ a success: police
Up to 150 people staged a peaceful protest on Sunday morning outside the convention centre where the finance meeting was held.
The colourful demonstrators, many holding green, heart-shaped signs, called for climate change to be put on the G20 agenda and for Australia to become solely dependent on green energy by 2050…
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2014/09/21/g20-test-run-success-police
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final words to one of the architects of the GFC, Hank Poulson:
22 Sept: Forbes: Climate Change Is Single Biggest Risk To Global Economy – Paulson At CGI2014
(Kitco News) – Few were more tightly involved with managing the financial crisis than Henry Paulson, Treasury Secretary during President George W. Bush’s administration. Speaking Monday, he said the stresses that nearly brought down the U.S. financial sector are now playing out in climate.
During a panel discussion at the Clinton Global Initiative’s annual meeting in New York, Paulson made parallels between the 2008 financial crisis and today’s climate crisis. The build-up of greenhouse gas emissions mirrors the debt excesses of 2008. And flawed U.S. government policies, encouraging the overuse of carbon-based fuels are much like the banking incentives, which encouraged borrowing to finance homes.
The panel, which focused on how confronting climate change makes for good economics, was moderated by Judith Rodin of the Rockefeller Foundation and featured Henry Paulson of the Paulson Institute and the Prime Minister of Denmark, Helle Thorning-Schmidt.
“I am looking at this through the lens of risk – climate change is not only a risk to the environment but it is the single biggest risk that exists to the economy today,” Paulson said as he addressed the crowd…
Paulson stressed that businesses need to be prepared since investors will increasingly demand disclosure and business leaders “need to get ahead of this.”…
As for skeptics who see investing in climate change as a form of pampering, Paulson had strong words. ”Short-term is the enemy out there. To begin with, when people say it doesn’t make economic sense, I want to scream out bullshit.”…
In all fairness, Paulson said he does not expect businesses to step-up without the help of government policies…
The best way to get there is to put a price on carbon said Paulson. ”If you want to avoid the very worst outcomes, you need policy measures that are incentives for new clean-tech technologies.” …
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kitconews/2014/09/22/climate-change-is-single-biggest-risk-to-global-economy-paulson-at-cgi2014/
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So much for good judgment and understanding of science… …one more time.
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Bulls 1 – Balloons 0
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ByJg254IcAA8-sP.jpg
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In England, in 2002, the Countryside Alliance March (mostly against the hunting ban) was attended by a generally agreed figure of around 400,000. In 2003, the Anti Iraq War March was attended by a generally agreed figure of around 1,000,000.
In neither case did the government of the day take a blind bit of notice!
Merely an observation……………….
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Unfortunately the government of the United States has already taken notice. And did so long before this rally. It’s only because of the dissent RFK Jr. wants to punish that they have gone no farther than they have.
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As others have noted on other blogs, they can even get 6 or 7 million to march for beer in Munich.
http://www.discover-munich.info/munich_oktoberfest.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oktoberfest
Anyone know how much CO2 is released when 30 million litres of beer are consumed?
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I would be more concerned about the release of methane with particulates, those awful farts that crawl along the floor leaving a trail of people gagging behind them. It was,nt me honest!!
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So he wants to punish his adversaries, does he? I wonder what his father would say to him about that.
Having watched some of his rise to fame I can safely say he slipped his cable a few times on the way up. He’s a good example of blind faith in an idea, a zealot more concerned with the cause than with the truth. He has no idea what would be turned loose on humanity if his environmental views could prevail. And he has no idea what even worse consequences there would be if dissent really could be silenced, much less if it could be punished.
And they may be closer than we think to achieving that goal of punishing dissent.
I was never a fan of the Kennedys. But the son is by no means anywhere near the man his father was. His father would cringe at just the thought of punishing dissent.
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It still bothers me that we are not nearly as organized against the climate change alarm as it is against us. Who do you know who could pull off a rally with even 120,000 people in New York City? I don’t know anyone who could do that, much less someone who would.
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I feel sorry for JFK. What he tried to create is being subverted by his descendents and relatives. Even his brother betrayed his beliefs.
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Are Celebrities on the Climate Change Band Wagon Taking the Piss?
When I see world famous actors and celebrities telling us we need to take dramatic action to save the planet from man made climate change I have to conclude that they are really stupid, or just taking the piss out of the public. For those who don’t understand the lingo, when you take the piss out of someone you are making fun of them, make them look stupid.
Many celebrities around the world joined in the so-called Climate March which appeared to be more about anti-capitalism, and any other left-wing agenda you could think of.
You may be aware that Leonardo DiCaprio, who last week was named as the United Nations Messenger of Peace on Climate Change, took part alongside fellow actors Mark Ruffalo, Ed Norton and Evangeline Lilly and the singer Sting in the New York march.
The protest came as world leaders gather to discuss climate change at the UN General Assembly in New York.
Titanic star DiCaprio himself will address the body during a climate change debate at UN headquarters on Tuesday, the first time the issue will be discussed in detail since the failed 2009 Copenhagen talks.
But could they have picked a bigger hypocrite to take on the role?
Are the people at the UN IPCC blind to Di Caprio’s lifestyle which is the antithesis of the lifestyle advocated by those who want dramatic action to reduce greenhouse gas emissions? Is Di Caprio so stupid that he can’t see his lifestyle with a carbon footprint thousands of times the average person, should disqualify him from being a UN Messenger on Climate Change?
I don’t have a problem with his lifestyle personally. But that is because I totally reject the disproved theory espoused by the UN IPCC that human greenhouse gas emissions are causing or will cause dangerous climate change. In fact I believe what little warming greenhouse gas emissions cause will be a net overall benefit to the planet. That is because plants thrive with greater atmospheric CO2 because it assists photosynthesis, and humans and animals have thrived during past climate optimums such as the Medieval Warm Period, The Roman Warm Period and The Minoan Warm period during the last few thousands years, and it was warmer then than now!
But just one example from DiCaprio’s current lifestyle should have disqualified him from holding the position with the UN and addressing the meeting.
The 39-year-old actor flew to Rio de Janeiro in a private jet to board the famous “Topaz” luxury yacht and sail down to Sao Paulo.
Leo was joined by 21 of his friends, according to local Brazilian press. The yacht cost US$678 million, is 482 feet long and is believed to be the fifth largest in the world. It belongs to the owner of the Manchester City football club.
How much would it take to build? Imagine how much mining resources, high energy smelting, hydrocarbons and petro chemicals went into the building of the ship. Imagine how much it cost to run the thing and it’s fuel bill moving it from Monaco to South America. It would equal the resources of a significant sized skyscraper or a small town!
This is not, it turns out, DiCaprio’s first time on the Topaz, as the actor co-hosted an 80s-themed party on the ship—which features “a deck top Jacuzzi, a swimming pool, fitness hall, cinema, and large conference room”—in April, with Jamie Foxx and Orlando Bloom, according to the Daily Mail. (The yacht also has two helicopter landing pads, for those times when you have Javier flying in from St. Tropez with the foie gras molded into the shapes of different zoo animals, and Persephone flying in from Ibiza with the custom-made champagne Slip-N-Slide, within minutes of one another.)
The fact that this type of lifestyle doesn’t stop mega celebrities from being appointed by the UN to preach to the masses; to preach about reducing greenhouse gas emissions, is just proof that the United Nations cares more about marketing. They don’t really care about Di Caprio’s lifestyle choices, or being a good example to others. The IPCC are more concerned with selling their message through celebrities rather than proving their position through facts and science.
But the message is even worse when you look at the owner who leased his yacht to DiCaprio.
If Di Caprio was so concerned about the use of fossil fuels and greenhouse gas emissions, he should look on doing business with this guy as doing business with Satan himself.
Mansoor bin Zayed bin Sultan bin Zayed bin Khalifa Al Nahyan (born 20 November 1970), commonly known as Sheikh Mansour, is the deputy prime minister of the United Arab Emirates, minister of presidential affairs and member of the ruling family of Abu Dhabi. In other words he and his family have built their mega wealth and continue to do so from oil!
He is also the chairman of the ministerial council for services, the Emirates investment authority and the Emirates pacing authority. He sits on the Supreme Petroleum Council and the boards of numerous investment companies including the International Petroleum Investment Company and the Abu Dhabi Investment Council.
Mansoor also owns stakes in a number of business ventures, including Virgin Galactic and Sky News Arabia. He is also the owner of the privately held Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG), a specialist investment company that successfully acquired Manchester City Football Club in September 2008
So you have Leonardo Di Caprio taking a private jet down to South America to spend a couple of weeks watching the world cup with 21 of his buddies. For accommodation he has the worlds 5th largest privately owned yacht moved from the Mediterranean. And the yacht is owned by an Oil Sheikh. But no one seems to think that conflicts with him marching in New York demanding urgent action to reduce man made greenhouse gas emissions.
Either he is stupid or he’s taking the piss!
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my nomination for “rant of the year award” -sans pareil. These people really believe that they are “special”, the modern manifestation of the divine right of kings. Their perception of the lower orders shares that of Charles I and Louis Seize.
If we follow the principles of Robert Kennedy perhaps they will suffer the same fate.
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We refuse to watch any movies where this MORON Di Caprio appears…
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Beware of actors who live in fantasy world.
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All actors/actresses do. The sane ones are those that recognize that fact.
Someone once said that actors are paid to lie convincingly. Remember that and it is easy to understand why they say what they do.
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Jo – Your “Climate Hustle” link is broken.
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International lawyers’ group calls for international court on the environment
An increasing number of extreme weather events are wreaking havoc on the world’s most vulnerable people and bulldozing economies, but climate laws are woefully inadequate to deal with human rights, says a groundbreaking new report by an influential lawyers’ group.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2014/09/22/international_lawyers_group_calls_for_international_court_on_the_environment.html
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Looks like there is a dollar in that idea…..
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Kind of ironic really when, it is the big money in Wall St & the City of London who dreamt up & delivered the AGW scam in the first place.
You have to wonder how proud these people & their offspring will be when the other shoe finally drops.
Useful idiots!
I just hope the sex at the after parties was safe.
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The smart money moved on, ages ago. What we now have, are the scavengers and looters, picking over the rubble, looking for anything saleable.
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RW the smart money may have given up when they realised they were not going to get their tithe of the Carbon Credits trade, but given the “smart money” seems to be funding the gold price suppression to defend the hegemony of the $US & the confidence in other global currencies; where has it gone?
I believe the Chinese are sucking up the world’s physical gold as fast as they can ship it to Shanghai.
But where are the Threadneedle St. Cowboys parking their loot now?
You get the impression when it all implodes that the energy, the food, the water & the gold will be controlled by even fewer faceless people.
The scam of opium to China has been pulled on the whole world by fostering & feeding debt financing addiction.
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There is a problem with that plan. Once the worlds economy is destroyed, the gold will have nothing to buy. It is production that gives value to money. Money does not and cannot give value to production. Nor can it cause production. It merely facilitates transactions among willing and able producers of value.
Money is nothing but a mechanism of barter once removed from the things bartered. Otherwise it has no value in and of itself. By destroying the economy and the ability of producers to produce, the so called “smart money” parasites achieve only destruction.
Remember, if you don’t have it, they can’t tax it. If you don’t make it, they can’t steal it. If you are not there, they can’t find you. Since they live off the production of others and contribute nothing for themselves, they will soon become extinct after they have eaten the last willing victim.
Don’t be a victim. Yes, that is a challenge. Unfortunately, it is swiftly becoming the only option available.
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Ahoy Lionell
I came across this article a couple of days ago:-
http://kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2014/9/22_Two_Shocking_Charts_Expose_The_Stunning_Collapse_In_The_US.html
The “gasoline sales” graph says it all & puts a lie to all the spin from the US Government.
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I see that Terry Gilliam, once famous for “Monty Python” and, in a rather different way, for a string of cinematic flops, is also urging that unbelievers be lined up against the wall:
“Those people will always be a fungus and if I was running the country I would take them out and shoot them.”
I have to admit that I didn’t realise that all those poor mushrooms you see in the supermarkets had been executed by firing-squad.
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I should add that Gilliam is 74 in November. It’s a shame he wasn’t asked to comment about the Ezekiel Emanuel comments that 75 years are quite enough for anyone to live. OK, one may argue that Emanuel was supposedly on about Obamacare, whereas Gilliam was droning about the man-made climate apocalypse, but they are really displaying the same mentality: humans, but only other humans, are the fons et origo of everything bad that ever happens. And, if humans supposedly cause good things, such as mild winters, well, they’re bad, too.
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OT. For Tony in OZ !
All about energy storage costs etc, I think you will enjoy 🙂
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Storage of power. Ahh! Isn’t it a wonderful thing?
These people think it’s like lining up a few AA batteries and viola! There ya go! (and, hey, that’s my being sarcastic right there)
Storage.
Let’s say that suddenly, as if by magic, they actually can develop batteries that can store many many many MW of power.
So, here we have wind power. (just sayin’) Now, instead of using ALL the generated power when it’s available, we have to divert some of it to charge these humungous storage batteries. So then, rectify that humungous power down to DC to charge the batteries. (Power out = Power in here) Then when the wind don’t blow and the power is needed, use those storage batteries to supply the power. So, convert all that DC back to the grid AC for consumption with a humungous Inverter. (Again Power in = Power out)
Hey, how easy is that eh?
These batteries will also cost next to nothing and last forever, and there will be no losses whatsoever with those many stages along the way of charging and discharging and conversion down and conversion back.
But hey,
friends of the dirtgreenies all have this Can Do thinking, and that the technology is just around the corner.Reminds me of a Bridge I have for sale here.
Tony.
Post Script – Why am I reminded of Rearden Metal here?
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A well written survey of power storage technology. Worth a read.
https://www.purdue.edu/discoverypark/energy/assets/pdfs/SUFG/publications/SUFG%20Energy%20Storage%20Report.pdf
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“Meanwhile Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wants to jail his political opponents.”
NO!! These are the people who should be in Jail.
http://climateaudit.org/2014/09/22/black-tuesday-of-climate-science/#comments
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A new study finds fewer Hurricanes/cyclones in a warmer world. Don’t forget the last super cyclone hit the NE coast of OZ in 1807, during the LIA. See ABC Catalyst.
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/2014/09/new-paper-predicts-fewer-hurricanes-and.html
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Why are the tropical oceans still cold in the depths? Why don’t they become isothermal like you think the troposphere would have been without that most-prolific of all greenhouse pollutants, water vapour sending all that warming back radiation back to the surface to warm it to a higher temperature than it was when it sent the original radiation and cooled in doing so.
Well the tropical oceans are colder in the depths because the poles act as a heat sink. Isothermals (such as 4 degrees C) are deep down in the tropics, but break out at the surface in the polar regions.
So too would the atmosphere be colder at the base for the same reason. If the whole globe were paved in black asphalt the surface would be about 235K – nearly 40 degrees below freezing. You can work it out yourself with an on-line Stefan Boltzmann calculator using solar radiative flux of 161W/m^2 and emissivity 0.93.
So there is a lot of thermal energy entering the ocean surface in non-polar regions, moving downwards through the thermocline and exiting in the polar regions.
But why is the thin transparent ocean surface so hot? Before you say it’s the back radiation, I have to tell you that radiation from colder regions does not penetrate the warmer ocean surface more than a few nanometres. It is “pseudo scattered” because it merely raises electrons to higher energy states and then those electrons immediately drop back and emit an identical photon. The electro-magnetic energy is not converted to thermal energy, and so it does not raise the temperature.
In fact there is a gravitationally induced temperature gradient (aka lapse rate) in any planetary troposphere, and thermal energy absorbed from solar radiation in the upper troposphere can flow up that sloping thermal profile restoring thermodynamic equilibrium as it does so, and even entering the oceans. Water vapour reduces the temperature gradient (fortunately) making the surface about 10 to 12 degrees cooler. Carbon dioxide makes it another 0.1 degree cooler for the same reason.
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THE CLIMATE ‘LONG MARCH’
How disappointing in this information age to see the uninformed masses marching in NY and calling for the failed socialist experiment to save them from the non-issue of a changing climate. That people from our developed and plentiful nations should protest, demanding that the weak and impoverished be denied the very energy that created our wealth is hypocritical. That we should also demand the very same tyrannical political systems which have oppressed those same poor nations for generations is ironic. Truly, the ‘climate change’ meme has become political dogma.
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It would certainly be interesting to examine Mr. Kennedy’s investment portfolio. Is he a victim or perpetrator, in “his own words”, of treason. I would bet the house he has major investments in several industries that are at the core of his perceived problem.
Think about it…….
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it’s all been reduced to money. govt should give them taxpayers’ money. pension funds should hand over people’s money. IPCC wants zero emissions by end of century, negative emissions after 2070 and other such nonsense:
18 mins: 23 Sept: BBC Business Daily: UN Climate Summit Courts Business
Scientists say that global temperatures are rising faster than ever as a result of increased carbon emissions, and yet top leaders from some of the most polluting countries are not even bothering to come to the meeting…
Is it too late for meaningful change? And what does big business really want in all this – cuts to carbon, or simply more business as usual? We hear from Peter Damsgaard Jensen, chief executive of the Danish Pension Fund, PKA, and one of the leading members of a worldwide lobbying body, The Institutional Investors Group on Climate Change. And we hear from one of the UN’s top climate scientists, Jean-Pascal van Ypersele, vice-chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, on how close are we to meeting current targets to limit global warming.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p026s577
also on bbc radio last nite, forget who was being interviewed, yet another re-run of how we can save the planet if only African countries don’t opt for sprawling urbanisation, but instead go for SMART cities, COMPACT cities, or, in other words, Agenda 21.
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23 Sept: BBC: Rockefellers to switch investments to ‘clean energy’
Pledges from pension funds, religious groups and big universities have reportedly doubled since the start of 2014…
At the scene: Matt McGrath, Environment Correspondent, BBC News
The event held to launch the Rockefellers’ news was more revivalist meeting than press conference. There was whooping, cheering, hollering and stamping of feet…
Actor Mark Ruffalo, who also signed the pledge, told the conference: “These are not silly people, these are people who know how to deal with money.”
They recognised that clean energy was “the future”, he said – prompting more whooping, cheering and stamping of feet…
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-29310475
24 Sept: Bloomberg: Alex Nussbaum: Brazil Minister: Time to ‘Cut the Crap’ in Climate Talks
“This is New York, so cut the crap,” Izabella Teixeira said in an interview with Bloomberg News yesterday.
Brazil reduced deforestation in the Amazon to record lows over the past decade, making a key contribution to cutting carbon emissions, Teixeira said. Yet developed nations still haven’t fleshed out promises to help emerging economies like Brazil pay for their efforts, she said.
The Amazon is “a really important resource, not only for Brazil but for the planet, and I’m waiting to be recognized, not only politically but also economically,” Teixeira said. “It’s important to put the coins on the table.”
The UN climate process calls for a $100 billion Green Climate Fund to help finance efforts in poorer countries. So far, it’s raised only about $1 billion, although more commitments may come during this week’s meeting…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-09-23/brazil-minister-time-to-cut-the-crap-in-climate-talks.html
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24 Sept: ABC: Stephen Letts: Green bonds rise as investors seek profit from a low carbon economy
On the eve of United Nations Climate Summit in New York, US treasury secretary Jacob Lew put forward the business case for combating climate change…
So while Mr. Lew mounted a financial case for supporting the so-called “2°C principles”, what was missing was a financial plan…
The $300 million green ‘Kangaroo’
All up, the World Bank has raised $US6.7 billion through 70 green bond issues in 17 different currencies since 2008, including a $300 million Kangaroo bond in Australian dollars earlier this year.
Like all World Bank issues, the Kangaroo green bond enjoys the security of a AAA credit rating.
It was backed by a group of 15 superannuation funds, asset managers and insurers – such as UniSuper, AMP Capital, QBE and Aberdeen Asset Management – which consider climate issues within their investment mandates…
The market is still in its infancy, yet to have a unified set of principles defining what exactly a green bond is.
***As publication The Economist noted earlier this year: “What makes a bond green? The answer at the moment is, if someone says it is.”…
The attraction is simple.
They are earning decent returns, typically 4 to 5 per cent per annum, with low risk, in projects that are environmentally attractive…
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-09-24/green-bonds-on-the-rise-as-a-low-carbon-economy-becomes-profita/5765078
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“They are enjoying making themselves billionaires by impoverishing the rest of us.”
Is this a miss quote of RFK.Jr? He must be kidding. I wish I could get me some that poverty that RFK.Jr suffers.
Just goes to show that even the best education that money can buy can not provide an ability to reason or think clearly. DOPE!
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I think you guys should lighten up a little on the RFK’s and Gilliams etc. To my mind there are two things going on which have been confused. First, rampant corporate capitalism is ruining our world and millions of lives. Of course this is a matter of opinion but many people feel this very strongly. Then you have the ‘we are ruining the climate’ story. The ones who are calling for climate deniers to be shot are assuming that anyone who doesn’t by [sic] the AGW story is doing so because they are on the side of the corporate world-uglifying evil doers and so must be evil as well.
They may be misguided, blinded by emotion, but it is understandable.
For the wiser among them, they fully understand that the climate issue is a fantastic intro to full-on one-world-government system, since the only way to tackle such a global problem is with a single world leadership structure. It’s a great trick: you galvanize all these people who hate what corporate greed is doing to the planet in order to put in place a one-world corporate system. The 1% must be laughing all the way into and out of the corridors of banking power they control us all with!
So you/we must be patient with those who are deluded. They are brainwashed, indoctrinated into a religious cult basically. Belief cannot be persuaded otherwise with logic. It’s a very frustrating thing.
And they feel exactly the same about you/us!!!
[interesting comment CaperAsh. I’d have to agree the 1% have a strong laughing position.] ED
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Once again we find out that all of these “environmentally concerned” citizens leave the location of their protest looking like the inside of an extremely old garbage can. Just like the changes they demand to address “climate change” are really meant for the rest of us not them, cleaning up after themselves isn’t their responsibility either.
Just a bunch of overgrown and very spoiled children. They want what they want and they want it now regardless of whether it is actually good for them or anyone else.
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