The pace and volume of the cheerleading is picking up. Over the weekend, the Vatican announced that climate is now a Catholic issue, and they are setting up an enviro “think tank” (what does God think of Climate Change?) The Australian Academy of Science produced its new advertising to feed the cash-cow called climate-grants (details on that later). The zombie issue of imaginary climate refugees resurfaced — 45 Fijian Villages are “projected” to be relocated in the next five to ten years; which bureaucrat says this, and will they apologize and quit 10 years from now if this turns out to be a wild exaggeration like the last claim?
It’s On. In 2015, we are going to be swamped with climate-spin.
The UNFCCC meeting in Paris is a major money and power-grab, and those with snouts in the trough know that their future fat cheques depend on how well they push propanganda, silence critics, and shout down intelligent debate. At one stage they were asking for 1.5% of global GDP (about $2,500 per Western family of four annually).
How much will they take? As much as we let them.
We can protest now, or protest later, but why wait? They will ask for “as much as the voters will bear”. Let’s mark out the pain-threshold right now. The more they get, the more they want. They deserve nothing.
The meeting, COP 21, is Nov 30 – Dec 11. It is a giant junket, a grand theater to generate headlines and reward compliant serfs in the media, in science, and in the NGOs. The real action is on right now, the negotiations are taking place in the months leading up to the meeting. Whether or not it will succeed will likely be decided long before Nov 30. It’s time for us to get serious.
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We must roast the media for pushing propaganda
The media IS the problem. Letters to editors discussing how their journalists are gullible patsies for not being even a tiny bit skeptical of government propaganda will hurt much more than letters that just dispute science content. Letters about science undermine their confidence as a “scientist”, but letters about their journalistic ability hurt so much more. Journalists kid themselves that they are independent critical thinkers. Wedge them by politely pointing out the questions they didn’t ask.
The “200 countries” headline below is there to pump the illusion of inevitable momentum toward a climate deal. Two hundred countries did what?
200 countries agree on draft to slow climate change
Almost 200 countries have agreed a draft document on how to best slow down climate change.
The blueprint is a first step towards negotiations for a deal to be agreed in Paris later this year which would come into effect in 2020.
The United Nations required an official text six months ahead of the French summit. That text was drafted in Geneva.
“The text has grown, so yes that makes June, which is the next time that they will get together, a little bit more difficult, but it does have the huge value that it is recognised as a formal negotiating text and that all parties will be eager to engage with that text,” said Christiana Figueres, Executive Secretary of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change.
Real journalists would ask: So what exactly did “two hundred” countries do? Did their parliaments discuss this exact draft? Did a single citizen of each nation sign off on something (and if so, who were they)? Was this agreement anything more substantial than an email to some sub-sub-bureaucrat of the Dept of upper-middle-climate-control? Does “agreement” mean 200 bureaucrats were sent a draft and they didn’t actually say “we want no part of this”?
Euronews, whoever they are, does not bother to try to answer these questions.
How big are those UNFCCC aims?
What’s ultimately up for grabs in Paris is a global bureaucracy that can control carbon emissions (meaning energy) worldwide. It is one of the largest and most ambitious political and scientific ambit claims ever, and it is hidden in plain view (but don’t hold your breathe waiting for the media to point it out).
“This is probably the most difficult task we have ever given ourselves, which is to intentionally transform the economic development model, for the first time in human history”, Ms Figueres stated at a press conference in Brussels.” — Christiana Figueres, the Executive Secretary of UNFCCC 3 Feb, 2015
They are aiming for some sort of UN or global body to be able to override national governments. As the history of federations such as the USA or Australia show, that sort of control will likely evolve to centralize powers even further. This will necessarily entail a class of global bureaucrats, probably not directly accountable, paid what they think they are worth out of tax income, and dispersing funds worldwide according to their agenda.
In the meantime, a bit of redistribution of income is on the agenda: In the draft of UN climate agreement, the developed countries are footing the bill. Vague lip service is paid to “fiscal sovereignty” of developing countries. Developed nations? They belong to the UN.
Option 6: Public sector financing from developed country Parties shall be the primary source of resources, with other sources to be considered supplementary. Different sources to be considered on the basis of clear criteria in order to avoid incidence and ensure fiscal sovereignty of developing countries, and ensure the sustainability, predictability and additionality or resources.]
Here’s the draft. “AD HOC WORKING GROUP ON THE DURBAN PLATFORM FOR ENHANCED ACTION.”
There are 86 pages, please search and add your thoughts on this document below.
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I would die laughing if someone got fusion to work (economically) on a scale to provide for our energy needs. It would be fun to pick through the wreckage of the gravy train crash.
Not that it could be rolled out quickly, but the thought amuses.
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Bulldust, that won’t be allowed. The plan is to reduce access to reliable energy sources which will automatically bring about a big reduction in global population.
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The plans are more than that. Ban Ki-Moon laid out his and the UN ‘s intentions Post-2015 in December 2014. I explained it here. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/knowledge-to-avoid-becoming-roadkill-on-the-bipartisan-global-road-to-dignity-by-2030/
There was also an interview with Susan Mann in the Huff Po http://www.huffingtonpost.com/c-m-rubin/the-global-search-for-edu_b_6689152.html that ties the K-12 education vision in Australia with what the UN calls “quality learning” under its Road to Dignity for All agenda.
Most of the listed players at the end of the HuffPo article are basically a rogues gallery of Change Agents tied in various ways to the UN system and transformational social change via education. Most have tags on my blog because they come up so often in their advocacy. This also fits with my research showing that the Basic Skills Project piloted in Queensland is the transformational transdisciplinary model for every K-12 system globally.
Plus Moon says there is a remake of the world’s financial systems meeting in Addis Ababa this summer. Then New York in September and then Paris. The December 2014 document is the plans for all those meetings.
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A New York Delicatessen has salami sausages for sale for US$450, each.
How do they manage to sell salami at that price?
One slice at a time.
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. . . or Bologna.
No matter how thinly you slice it, it’s still Bologna.
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I heard on Radio National (ABC in Aus) this story about students selecting their teachers. She talked about it being a good idea so that we get teachers that relate well to students.
The reality is that the classroom is dominated by the superficial, even in year 12. The students do not want someone that relates to them. They want someone who looks good enough to ape. They do not care if the lesson is dumbed down to the point of being a waste of time. They want simple colour-by-numbers instructions to look good the first time.
I know I didn’t relate well to students when I first started but I learnt some tricks to win them over. They were still weird little aliens to me but I understood what they were looking for and it could only come from someone who was not like them. How are they supposed to pick who is going to do the hard yards?
We have departments and teachers unions, who are just useful idiots but they still encourage rote learning (mechanical) instead of helping the students to become independent thinkers. The ‘natural’ teachers are like the students and they don’t get it.
This consensus in science or “the science says” is what appeals these students because they are poorly educated, and someone at the top realises but still pushes crap education on Australians.
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I think its salient to remind people how Collaborators of years past wind up…..and I am *not* advocating violence of any kind, rather pointing to how when an evil empire falls, those who originally sided with the all-powerful “occupying force” that later spectacularly fell from power, they suffered a horrific end….
Think light poles and rope….
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‘Wedge them by politely pointing out the questions they didn’t ask.’
Jenny Cockerell is immune to criticism and that goes for most of the pseudo journalists at that rag.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/09/climate-change-threatens-australia-outdoor-summer-sport
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Quote from the main post:
Euronews blurb:
“News in seven languages from European TV.” Giving you all you need to know, in ten-second sound bites.
They take most of their content from “Europa”, The Press Room Portal of the European Union, providing up-to-date coverage of EU affairs …”, — The front office of the EU press release factory. (My bolding).
Propaganda, anyone?
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Well, they are journalists.
I watch Euronews via Transact and find it fairly well balanced without an obvious agenda. I especially like the “no comment” segment, that appears every 30′. It is footage, with audio but no commentary, usually 2-3′ long of something unusual, a trouble spot, can be political, usually just of human interest. It is intriguing as it makes you do the mental work. http://www.euronews.com/nocomment/
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I agree, “No Comment’ is a reasonable source for a lot of subject matter.
But, they are still heavily dependent upon EU press releases for the geopolitical stuff that really impacts peoples lives.
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I did a letter that defined a sceptic, giving the greek root(from Greek skeptikos, from skepsis, inquiry, doubt(Oxford Dictionary)).Then, having cleared that title as something we all should aspire too, then questioned why all good journalists do not aspire to the same goals.
Something new is needed, hammering the same message and particularly hammering people just annoys them. Give them something new to think about and not respond too.
Be factual and polite.
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I am less scared about Paris, as I was about the Copenhagen meeting. I think we can guarantee lots of hot air, but nothing binding – in any event, the Republican controlled Congress and Senate in the USA will point blank refuse to ratify anything coming out of Paris.
Undoubtedly, the two most compelling incentives for attending will be: i) the Snouts in the Trough Factor by climate activists, and ii) Save the World Syndrome by smug, unscrupulous politicians. Then there will be the usual hangers on of goofies and greenies determined to justify the reason for their own sad existences.
Anyway, we must console ourselves with the knowledge that when compared to Copenhagen: i) there are more airports for private jets in Paris, ii) there are more limousines and, iii) there are surely more ladies of the night to look after the urgent R & R needs of our supposed political and scientific ‘elite’.
And I for one hope it is unseasonably cold, just to rub in the pointlessness of this hugely expensive farce.
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Wouldn’t put big bets on the US Congress. Mr. Pen&Phone has been very successful in having the bureaucracy work its magic without Congress having very much to say about it. The EPA and DoE appear to have pretty much free reign on increasing the fields of play. A large part of any new “agreement” could be implemented without any official approval. Then there’s always the Agenda 21 thing hiding in the weeds.
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Please, this is happening too often in recent times to let it go any longer.
“Free rein”, as with horse, not “free reign”, as with king.
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Or free rain, as with precipitation.
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Peter
It looks like the UK is lining up to sign anything on the dotted line. I hope you are right about the USA !!
http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2015/2/14/happy-mr-farage.html
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Peter-Look at my comments above on what Ban Ki-Moon has laid out. The push is to be everything in place legally at the local levels with the cooperation of K-12 educators, mayors, and city councils. The UN created a Global CIFAL Network in 2002 to put its programs in place while bypassing national parliaments like Congress.
In the US the CIFAL Center is in Atlanta. Very tied in also to what the legislators are pushing as economic development with federal grants.
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If Tony Abbott goes down and Turncoat Turnbull takes his place, heaven forbid, we will sign up for sure. What on earth can we do to stop this? I think I am starting to suffer from the same depression from which the Gerbil Wormists are said to be suffering!
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If we get rid of Rhoades Scholar “Pushing global govt” Abbott, we wind up with Rhoades Scholar “Pushing global govt” Turnbull
The fix is in.
Dont you love “choice”?
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Cecil Rhodes did not use an “a”.
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Tht must hve relly nnoyed his collegues and ssocites, I would sy. 😉
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I was sure the Abbott Government would have nothing to do with any deal in Paris, no I’m not so sure.
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… now I’m not so sure.
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I’m not sure either despite Abbot’s “CW is crap” statement and the odd one or two skeptics in the coalition. The Lib/NCP are still pandering to to the UN.
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Yeah but the reality is that there is no difference bewteen labor and liberal – all are run by the gloabalists!
This is why John Howard brought in the Socialist dream of gun control. and why the Libs keep sucking up to the Communist UN…..
( sound of head beating against wall…)
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Even after Julie rushed down to Lima with a cheque for $200M????
If you follow the money from the big push to destroy Abbott, you could find a path all the way to George Soros.
Julie, Hunt and Turnbull are rubbing their hands in glee at the thought of signing the big scam in gay Paree.
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The same Julie that was seen at one of the sceptic assemblies in Perth? I am thinking not.
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I agree on Turnbull, see he is in the media for an ‘unscripted’ speech on saving a couple of drug smugglers.
I remember Gillard’s ‘unscripted’ speeches as well, where one journo decided to look at the podium afterwards while all others unthinkingly gushed about it and low and behold the exact speech in print was there.
Turnbull is a puppet, ‘unscripted’ isn’t in his vocabulary.
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‘…but letters about their journalistic ability hurt so much more.’
The shadowy cadre of Trots at Aunty feel no shame in being biased, after all its for the good of the planet and let’s not forget the grandchildren. It really is disgraceful the way the Australian Branwashing Corporation distorts reality at my expense.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-01-17/labor-greens-pressure-abbott-as-2014-named-hottest-on-record/6023162
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ABC: Was 2014 the hottest year after all?
“Was 2014 really the hottest year on record?
The headlines across the world’s media last month – including these pieces from the BBC, CNN, Wall Street Journal,
The Guardian and The Age certainly claimed that it was.
A quick bit of critical analysis explains where the confusion lies.”
That requires a “double take“.
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The purpose of the double take is to maintain the lie while being able to produce evidence that you didn’t.
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ABC also affectionally known as Another Bullcrap Con, or perhaps All Belatedly Communist
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..All Blatantly Communist…
There…fixed it for you….
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So the Vatican want’s to align with what is essentially an ‘environmental cult’ while not insulting 1.2 billion Catholics?
They simply cannot justify the blasphemy bought upon the very essence of Catholicism by accepting another quasi-religious sect’s belief of an alternate creator or deity, this is an error of judgment on a grand scale despite the obvious attraction of a lucrative money making venture.
If the Catholic church thinks it’s followers are willing to accept a sudden alternate belief based on an ecumenical pseudo environmental ideal then they may get a rude shock, Lord Monckton in his talks when mentioning any true religion will use the word “love” and “peace” which struck me at first because you simply don’t hear these words during a scientific address or expect to.
Compare now the words used in Climate alarmist doctrine and you get nothing but “hate” and “conflict”, I like to think the major faiths have evolved with modern times but this action will be a definite regression of inquisition proportions where humanity is concerned.
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Great comment Yonnie!
KK
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Yonnie,
“I like to think the major faiths have evolved with modern times”
I’m a non-catholic christian and I despair at what I hear from my protestant-church-going friends. All are encompassed by the new ACW religion despite my protestations (pun intended). The major faiths, sadly, have not progressed beyond the times of the inquisition despite the 1960 – 1970 “God is love” era.
In relation ACW I remain a lone “voice crying in the wilderness” (John 1 vs 23).
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“”Over the weekend, the Vatican announced that climate is now a Catholic issue, and they are setting up an enviro “think tank” (what does God think of Climate Change?)””
Here we go again. They ‘know’ what is in God’s mind. Really? Have these people ever looked out at the Universe? Don’t you wonder why there is so much other stuff out there if WE are the only sentient life form? Certainly it appears nobody is out there using radio within 200 or so light years of us. Maybe we need to wait a couple of hundred more years. That is of course, if we survive that long. Won’t be an act of God that takes us out, just mans bloody minded pig headedness.
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Jo, please make a submission to The Vatican. If you don’t know how check with your local bloke.
Cardinal George Pell made many sound comments in regard to the AGW scam. Don’t panic yet about what The Pope might decree. But do take any opportunity to ensure that he knows the facts.
Cardinal Pell has been called to work at the Vatican in the finances department. Whether to straighten them out or to be “straightened out” by them time will tell.
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The green cult wants to cull the earth,s population to somewhere between 500 to 1,500 mln people. How are they going achieve this without using condoms?
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Well certainly Planned Parenthood isn’t enough.
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I didn’t want to raise the subject of religion but it’s a bit difficult when the Vatican wades into this absurd belief system of the green cult, I’ll stress again I’m an atheist however take offense when someone automatically labels you based on a personal idea of existence, much like the content of ‘the science’ in CAGW the meaning of ‘love’ in context to our existence has been overused to the point of losing it’s importance to our being.
If the only thing that separates us from animals is our wits, then currently the animals are running rings around us.
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Speaking of Lord Monckton, as a Catholic, he is not likely to let the Pope get away with it, particularly as he is heavily involved in making a movie, Climate of Freedom, to premiere in the lead up to Paris.
H/T to Climate Depot.
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The porn of Satan has won (you’re not born worshipping Satan but enticed to).
AGW is about conquering Science by undermining everything that keeps it on track (and its happening to History as well). You then get to decide what’s a fact.
We have given a lot of power to people who are happy to be big fish in a small pond. The only way this can end is the big fish deciding that the pond is putrid because there are too many fish.
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A legal document longer than one A4 page of “everyday” language is open slather to the legal profession. Don’t sign nuthin.
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In Australia we will get absolutely no where.
Unless specific threats are made to politicians at the ballot box.
If that threat is not made (voting you off the gravy train.) they will simply sign away our countrys wealth.
Rudd had no hesitation in signing the kyoto protocol “on my behalf” to save the planet.
Gillard had no hesitation introducing her socialist roots and giving us a CO/2 tax to feed our wealth to the socialist UN.
Understand that nothing you do or say to any politician registers with any of them.
They will do as they please and to hell with the voters.
There is simply only one thing that terrifies them.
Being removed from the gravy train before they’ve finished gorging themselves at the trough of public monies.
So simply forget everything else and let them know that if they support the fraud that is global warming.
That threat of your vote going elsewhere and actively supporting some body who won’t give away the countrys wealth.
Is very very real.
Right letters and if your walking past your local members office.
Call in and politely let them know your threat is real.
If you don’t get passionate it’ll be to late when they’re writing the cheques out “payable to the United Nations! “
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I gotta think, with the direction we’re headed, I’m not real sure the planet is worth saving.
Giving the UN complete control might be considered a fate worse than death.
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If you understand the UNs “agenda 21” which I’m assuming you do.
You would also understand it is not palatable to capitalist society such as Australia.
By advocating ceding control of this countrys wealth to an unlected socialist dictatorship such as the UN.
You, by your statement would, to put it mildly, be at odds with a very substantial majority of Australians.
Who at the last election after six years of a socialist government that had brought the country to its financial knees.
Unceremoniously removed them from government in a landslide message.
That very same socialist element that still has a substantial control in our parliament house is still “punishing” the people of this country.
By stopping reform and repair this government was elected to do.
And you want more but on a world scale!
Madness!
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Mike says:
As Leigh says in response it’s probably the death of capitalism but I have to think that democracy will be dead as well. According to the UN we just aren’t smart enough to govern ourselves. We need a special elite group to think and govern FOR us.
It hasn’t happened yet so there is still time to stop the UN. Insist that funding for the UN be removed.
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“Almost 200 countries have agreed a draft document on how to best slow down climate change.” It’ll be known as the Cnut Initiative.
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Which countries haven’t rolled over?
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They need Danegeld to make it work.
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Bernd
Nice to meet you in person last night.
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Would that be Cnut with a silent ‘c’?
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“….and that all parties will be eager to engage with that text,” said Christiana Figueres. Well, that’s it. The decision is already made, now all the gummints have to do is “engage”, ie just sign up. Leaves plenty more time for parties and other interactions without having to bother about what might be debated and other points of view realised and understood. As for Mr Abbott, he’ll no doubt throw more of our money at the Green Blob but nothing towards those who might disagree with the “engagement”. It’s all straight out of the “progressives” handbook a la Mao, Stalin, Lenin, Gillard, The Greens, Lie-bor in general, Pol Pot, etc, etc. I wonder if the first to stop applauding the engagement will be taken away for re-education?
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Don,t forget Adolf. He was the first one that was aware of the finite resources, the finite space (lebensraum) that required finite amount of people. Non-smoker, vegetarian, eating like a mouse. His personal carbon footprint was extremely low. Pity that he lost his carbon credits in Auschwitz.
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I suspect most people couldn’t give a monkeys. No need for us to be unduly concerned. This is a very lefty pope who aches for relevance with every new pronouncement he utters. All very ho hum.
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Ceetee
Sadly most of my “friends”(and ex friends) do give a monkeys and are persuaded by the left. They ,more sadly, follow the left like lemmings. These are the people MP’s unfortunately listen too, perhaps because they are the most vocal.
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Most of those friends, ex-friends are/were teachers or local gov employees. nearly all of my professional (those with degrees and doctorates} industrial colleagues are skeptics.
What does that say?
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oops! how id that happen, sorry for the duplication.
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This civilisation is our last chance for a long time. Think about all the easily accessible sources of oil and coal which propelled our civilisation through the industrial revolution. Think about the crazy things which have to be done nowadays to keep the oil flowing – drilling miles deep, underwater, fracking – all comfortably doable using current technology, but if our civilisation collapses, will get get another opportunity to apply such technology? If the eco-freaks win, they might drag us down for a very long night.
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Abbott’s support for Old King Coal is worse than knighting a prince
By Christine Milne (Australian Greens Leader – ABC)
“If you needed more evidence that Tony Abbott’s views are stuck in a bygone era, look to his support of a power source from the 1800s.”
. . .
Egad.
And what from what era are windmills?
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Didn’t Cervantes write about Don Quijote of the Mancha and his passion for tilting at windmills; we need a modern hero now.
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It seems that Christine Milne gets a free run every time she is interviewed – no criticism of the impracticalities of Green policies. Is there an investigative journalist left? If only she would lead by example – go to bed at dusk, never fly anywhere, only eat food that doesn’t need to be cooked, don’t buy any manufactured goods, build her own humpy, and never, ever appear on TV again.
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Thats the thing about the Greens, people are either rooting for them or hoping they root themselves which they are quite apt to do. Journos aren’t stupid by enlarge. It’s just that most of them are timid pack animals too scared to interview their own personal ethical compasses.
The Greens here in NZ are so widely viewed as being wacky even the Labour party is making tentative steps to distance themselves, albeit subtly. Progress!
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PR Avalanche begins:
SMH:
“The Melbourne Cricket Ground could be transformed into a community shelter and high-rise towers evacuated if the city was rocked by a record-making heatwave.
While this year’s mild summer might have barely raised a sweat, a plan obtained by Fairfax Media reveals the central city is considered especially vulnerable to future hot spells.”
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Huh! ?????????????
Whose ‘brilliant’ (sic) idea was this?
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Sorry, if Melb hits 50C then CoM wants to take them out of the air con towers at 22C and stick them in the uncovered MCG to sit in the sun?? Truly loopy stuff.
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Jo,
“what does God think of Climate Change?”.
From my protestant point of view (and none of my christian friends agree with me) I don’t think God gives a ‘stuff’ about the environment. He is more concerned with his relationship with his human creation (don’t worry I’m NOT going to “bible bash” any of you).
“We must roast the media for pushing propaganda
The media IS the problem.”
Absolutely, the MSM is the problem. What axe do it have to grind? Why is it so pedantic in pushing as fact an unproven (and falsifiable) theory?
I wish I knew.
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The folks in the media seem to have lost the ability to distinguish between fact and opinion. They believe their opinions are facts.
Good news is not news. Bad news make a better story. No axes, no grinding.
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Actually, I disagree. They distinguish between them very well.
The media don’t rely on “facts”, because they are a bit hard to get right every time, and there are all those skeptics waiting to pounce on every debatable nuance.
“Opinions”, on the other hand, are much safer, because all you are reporting are other people’s facts, for which you cannot be held accountable.
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You might be right.
It’s just difficult for me to believe that they can be so blatantly biased, and yet so certain in denying that they are.
Perhaps I’m being too polite, but I don’t want to believe that they are doing it on purpose.
I see them more as useful idiots than as active participants.
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Here you go Ron.
This might help. Or not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-suvkwNYSQo
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C’mon people.
Let’s get serious about this.
If we can just come up with away to manipulate the orbit of the earth in such a way that the earth’s distance from the sun stays within +/- 1 km each annual orbit, we can really get on top of this issue.
This will also address the discrepancy between North and South pole temperatures.
The penguins can head North, the polar bears can head South and Adam Brandt will wet his pants.
Oh. It’s just so exciting.
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On Steve Price/Andrew Bolt tonight a caller said he confronted Shorten on talkback radio in Queeensland over climate change and Shorten pulled out the 97% of scientists BS!
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I always thought Shorten was 100% BS!
His initials seem so appropriate.
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LOL
and I’m still laughing at this one.
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Here in the UK the Department for the Environment & Climate Change has launched a new policy emissions tool, so everyone can design policies to save the world from dangerous climate change.
Problem is, nobody checked it, despite being at version 3.66. Without getting rid of coal-fired power stations global emissions can go negative.
http://manicbeancounter.com/2015/01/29/deccs-dumb-global-calculator-model/
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That sounds like it sucks, to me.
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What a great result if we can achieve international action on climate change. The science is it on AGW and we need such initiatives to advance mitigation, remediation and probably adaptation to the warming climate. Hopefully the leftover Minchinettes in the LNP will be rolled by those who know what the science and the evidence is telling them: reduce the trend in anthropogenic GHG emissions. The era of cut it down, burn it: dig it up, burn it and pump it out, burn it: with no limitations on atmospheric anthropogenic GHG pollution must come to an immediate end. All mitigation initiatives should be on the table and all are needed to provide long term solutions to what is a regional, national and global problem. As CF said:
[it] will not happen overnight and it will not happen at a single conference on climate change, be it COP 15, 21, 40 – you choose the number. It just does not occur like that. It is a process, because of the depth of the transformation.”
Sovereignty is such a non-sequiter it will have no more impact than a free trade agreement.
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Silly,
When you get your unelected world government, where will you go when you decide you don’t like it – the 7th planet perhaps? Sovereignty matters a great deal
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SF,
The indicators used by alarmists to “prove” climate change are now only the spurious “extreme weather” examples that have always occurred.
This is evidenced by the metmorphosis of the descriptor for Global Warming by the warmist collaborators to the current ‘Climate Disruption’.
What SF and the rest of the subsidy soakers are hoping is to convince the world to keep donating money for their ‘weather machine’.
It’s the old communist ‘5 year Plan’ theory that uses new and more catastrophic predictions to prevent people from realising that there is no threat, nothing has happened, except for the proletariat where there is more labour and less work, more production and less product, more management and less acheived, more expected and less rewarded.
So, SF, Berkeley Earth Robert Muller Sep 2013 says:
“Most of us hope that global warming actually has stopped. (Not everyone; some argue that the warming is good.) Perhaps the negative feedback of cloud cover has kicked in, dampening global warming, or the ocean absorption of atmospheric heat is playing a new and more decisive role.”
When your hero recognises the ‘pause’ and considers this could be a plateau followed by…
Show me the threat?
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From Muller again:
Because of the instability of ocean flow, the best evidence of a changing climate may be the land temperature record. It is full of fits and starts that make the upward trend vanish for short periods. Regardless of whether we understand them, there is no reason to expect them to stop
Ho hum
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SF,
Now I get it, there’s a difference between historical carbon isotopes and modern carbon isotopes:
Historical warming periods were followed by historical cooling periods because of historical CO2, but the modern warming period will accelerate out of control because of modern CO2 due to man made radiation breaking down nitrogen in the atmosphere.
Wow, who’d have thought that gamma rays would inadvertantly create an uncontrollable, green monster.
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silly,
“”be it COP 15, 21, 40 – you choose the number.””
Those numbers will do fine. 21, six years time, people will notice how much food is costing and will ask questions. By 40 sea levels will be dropping, again people will notice and ask questions.
Don’t think I’ll see 40 but 21 is a good bet. Must get started on the garden.
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SF: ‘…atmospheric anthropogenic GHG pollution must come to an immediate end.’
We have been having this conversation around the usual traps for many years, but now that temperatures have reached a plateau it maybe possible to resolve the issue without further acrimony.
If world temperatures rise sometime in the near future, without the assistance of El Nino, then I’ll be forced to concede the science is not settled. On the other hand, if temperatures noticeably dip in the next few years will you concede that our star may have an influence?
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Silly
How will you persuade Governments representing over half the World’s population to stop their high levels of economic growth and switch it into reverse? To achieve the emissions targets of 2 degrees China, India, Brazil, South Korea, Indonesia and a host of less populous countries would need to do just that. Maybe between you being your irritating self, and Greenpeace leaving their graffiti on a few more World Heritage sites, the leaders will condemn hundreds of millions of their own people to declining living standards.
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Kevin,
There is an interesting fact, that I have mentioned before: Get a map of the World, and place the point of a compass on Hanoi. Place the point of the compass pencil (or pen) on Karachi, and draw a circle. Half of the world’s population live within that circle.
About 70% of that population depend on burning stuff for cooking, and lighting, because they have no electricity distribution, and that situation is not going to change any time soon, because there just isn’t the infrastructure in place. The people in that area also have a history of removing governments who try to make their lot in life worse than it already is, and the politicians are very much aware of that, because that process is often how they became politicians in the first place.
The Europeans have forgotten about the Eastern hordes. If the “wrong” decisions are made at the UN, they may be forced to remember.
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silly filly again shows up the total cluelessness of the side of politics he is here to support, because it isn’t the Science he’s arguing, just the base politics. silly filly says this:
Go on. Do it. I dare you.
The second you close down those power plants, the side of politics you support (because it isn’t the Science) will be thrown out of office so fast, they won’t even have time to fire up the shredders.
You show your absolute lack of understanding the very second you even say this.
You’ve been suckered silly filly, and you don’t even realise it.
They’ve had plenty of time to do just that, and nothing has been done, accept to allow those plants that supposedly cause that GHG pollution (as you call it) to proliferate.
Become active silly filly. Show us your strength of conviction. Get your people to actually close those plants. Tell them you won’t vote for them unless they do close them.
Do something.
All bl00dy talk you are silly filly, just mindless politically based jabber, that’s all you’ve got.
Tony.
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Partial quoting, how inappropriate and incompetent, but par for the course!
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Tony and the rest of us are waiting,sillyfilly.You lot talk the talk ,but none of you will walk the walk.Go on silly,shut the Dirdy Coal plants down.We dare you!
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All total, unmitigated, bullshit from the SillyFilly propaganda desk.
If you honestly want to “reduce the trend in anthropogenic GHG emissions’ and see “limitations on atmospheric anthropogenic GHG ‘pollution’,” and if you honestly believe that “All mitigation initiatives should be on the table”, and if you are looking for, “long term solutions to what is a regional, national and global problem”, then why aren’t you vigorously campaigning for the adoption of Nuclear Power on a global basis?
It is a proven viable alternative, as the Germans have recently decided.
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You make my skin crawl, Sillyfilly. A wind bag who wants the great unwashed to look up to them by parroting propaganda that the truly intelligent, but selfish, are pissing themselves when they write it.
Those that want to live in a well functioning society and are truly intelligent know that they can not, and nobody else either, rule it well enough. One world government means that when things go to pot that the transformation back to what we started with will be painfully slow.
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And me-thinks,Very Deadly.Revolution has a tendancy to be destructive.
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“[Stressing that all actions to address climate change and all the processes established under this agreement should ensure [a gender-responsive approach] [gender equality and intergenerational equity], take into account [environmental integrity] [the protection of the integrity of Mother Earth], and respect human rights, the right to development and the rights of [youth and] indigenous peoples, [as well as the just transition of the workforce and the creation of decent work, in accordance with nationally defined development priorities and strategies,]]
[Parties should ensure in all climate change related actions full respect to all human rights]”
We’re in safe hands! Come on! What’s not to like? Hypothermia for all – and it’s FREE!
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“Option 2: Consistent with Article 3, paragraph 1, of the Convention, the Parties should protect the climate system for the benefit of present and future generations of humankind, on the basis of equity and in accordance with their common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities. Accordingly, the developed country Parties should take the lead in combating climate change and the adverse effects thereof. In accordance with Article 4, paragraph 7, of the Convention, the extent to which developing country Parties will effectively implement their commitments under the Convention will depend on the effective implementation by developed country Parties of their commitments under the Convention related to financial resources and transfer of technology and will take fully into account that economic and social development and poverty eradication are the first and overriding
priorities of the developing country Parties.”
And presumably Venezuela, Zimbabwe, Congo, Cuba and every other basketcase on the planet is miraculously defined as “developing”. Isn’t it a bit odd that a supposedly internationalist document is simultaneously so sympathetic to certain nation-states (mainly the ones that are in the process of ceasing to be either nations, or states)?
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Don’t worry. At this rate Australia will soon be a developing country.
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According to an ex-labour treasurer of quite a few years ago, one Mr Keating, Australia is already a banana republic at the, err, mmmm, rear end of the world. And with the loss of most of our manufacturing industries he may well have been right.
Mind you I work in a manufacturing plant that exports 95% of our products to a lot of other countries.
R-COO- K+
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Could this be prescient ?
UK Office of Communications to allocate a 3-Digit code for power cuts
“The Government’s Department for Energy and Climate Change is working with ENA and the electricity network operators on plans for an awareness campaign that would promote the new helpline. This would also explain that the service is not intended as a substitute for the existing 999/112 service in cases of emergency.”
Confusion reigns.
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“what does God think of Climate Change?” See Ecclesiastes. There’s nothing new under the sun.
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Some comic highlights from the Draft:
Most of the adaptation options give “traditional knowledge” equal weighting with science. I guess that means the entirety of AR5 can be dismissed by the traditional knowledge of the fisherman down the pub wot believes this `ere global warming is all bunk, innit.
The part about being gender sensitive is odd. I’m not sure if this means sexists have changed the climate or that sexists can’t change the climate.
But thankfully only women and children are vulnerable, so as a guy I can relax knowing I’m completely invulnerable to climate change. I think this means there is a little bubble of non-climate change that follows me around wherever I go. Clearly the UN should pay me to live on whichever tropical island is believed the most vulnerable to global warming so that my manly bubble of climate bearishness can save them from any expensive adaptation actions.
That almost sounds like a skeptic’s escape hatch.
There’s 193 member nations in the UN.
There’s just 24 FCCC Annexe 2 countries who have to pay the climate costs of the others.
Three quarters of 193 is 145 countries that are sufficient in a vote to make the top 24 pay.
It’s like 3 foxes and a lamb having a vote on what to eat for dinner.
Right, so more coal power for developing countries, but all us Annexe 1 toffs have to put a sock in it. This is why the phrase “equitable access to sustainable development” appears nine times in the draft. We devolve our economy with more expensive power, while the developing countries burn our coal with impunity, until eventually the developed economies meet the developing economies in the middle and everyone is equally poor. Equitable!
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That would be Kiribati, or Tuvalu, then. But not the Maldives, because some entrepreneur is raising it above sea level by building a multi-story luxury hotel.
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As a 73 year old life long practising Catholic, I have reached the end of my tether.
Unlike some other main stream Christian faiths, us ‘Tims’ do not have to formally ‘sign up’ to our religion, and great emphases is placed on our practice being free will.
I never envisioned the day when I would formally have to resign my commission. When we have a rabid left wing or crypto communist assuming the mantle of St Peter to govern over us, then I must throw in the towel. With Pope Francis – the Honcho in the Poncho – seemingly endorsing the pagan beliefs of the Tim Flannery’s goddess Gaia, it is really time to move on.
If anyone on here thinks I am exaggerating, please visit
http://www.planetshifter.com/node/1724
One of the stand outs on that frightening article is the one from Jacques Cousteau who wrote in an UNESCO piece “It’s terrible to have to say this. World population must be stabilised and to do that we must eliminate 350,000 people per day”.
When the leader of ‘my’ church publicly supports such an idea, then I am not left with many alternatives.
The organisation which the above quote is taken from comes from The National Religious Partnership for the Environment. This is a formal partnership between the
US Catholic Conference
National Council of Churches of Christ
Coalition of the Environment and Jewish Life
Evangelical Environmental Network
This was set up in 1993(!) and is notable by the absence of the Religion of Peace (aka Moslems) Buddhists, Hindus and other non Christian sects.
It should be compulsory reading for everyone on here, including our hostess, as it covers every aspect of the greatest scientific fraud in our history. From Agenda 21, Club of Rome, UN and all its spawned offshoots. All the usual suspects are there, many now dead, but reincarnated in modern day cadavers, such as Al Gore. It is scary to see all their plans now coming to fruition.
In our local church we have an organisation called Eco Congregation which is straight out of the Gaian paganist handbook. All the other charities I can think of are fully paid up members of the MMGW scam. http://www.cafod.org http://www.christainiad.org http://www.sciaf.org http://www.savethechildren.org http://www.goal.org http://www.oxfam.org
The list goes on and on. If you look at any of their website and type in ‘global warming’ in their internal search facility it will lead you to a version of the green manifesto from the Met Office or the IPPC.
At my age I find it a crime, that the belief system which I have subscribed to through all the scandals and travails over three quarters of a century, have now collapsed like a deck of soiled cards.
Coming up to the Lenten season of prayer and fasting, my overwhelming emotion is one of utter despair and sadness.
Thank you for indulging an old disillusioned pensioner.
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Pat,
Write to him, don’t forget to point out exactly how this pagan religion works by killing pensioners and babies NOW in order to supposedly save the as yet unborn. How billions are diverted from medicine and poverty reduction to windmills, and how the life preserving force of cheap reliable energy is denied to the poorest of the poor. Tell him how the Catholic faith is now reduced to assauging the egos of a few select greenies at the expense of 90% of the human race. Seems a bit out of character for a pope who is supposed to care about the very demographic thats getting shafted in the climate wars… the poor and helpless.
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With Paris, their confidence grows.
An agreement would end all their woes.
But this climate parade,
Is a total charade,
And the Emperor still has no clothes.
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Here in Canada we were lucky to have withdrawn from kyoto. The most important clause of this entire document is the right to leave after 1 years notice. It is still in the latest draft, however politics in the democratic nations have never been so fractured, so nothing is safe. I guess we wont know til the Red Fleet sails into our harbours, and those pretty white UN trucks take over your coal.(that last bit was a joke)
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And His holiness is about as qualified in climate science as Al Gore. On the other hand, given the religion like nature of climate science, why not?
I cannot help but wonder who is advising the man about climate change. He has to see some advantage in it somewhere but I can’t figure out where. And he’s got to have an advisor on the subject the same as Al Gore did. I simply do not trust someone with as much influence and power as the Pope. Say what you will about me but beware of men that influential aligning themselves with a cause that wants to trash the global economy.
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The UN can take a flying leap.
I wonder what the chance for success of this Paris get together really is. You can expect Obama to go all out for a binding agreement. But he looks like the only rabid dog at the table anymore. But you never know.
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Roy: the 75% vote is guaranteed because all the countries that will receive the redistribution will vote for it. Of the 24 level #1 nations, many of the European countries have already bought in. The only hopes for a total fizzle are China, India, Canada, Australia and the USA. China and India will both buy in if they are classed as “developing” nations that don’t have to restrict emissions for many years, and can use funds received to pump more CO2 out. The whole thing is a scam of monumental proportions. I would guess the Pope buys in because he can see money from the modern economies taken to give to the poor. No one talks about what will happen when other people’s money runs out and the ability to generate new wealth has been destroyed. Peanuts from Canada.
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About the USA buying in: We now have majority control of the Senate by Republicans and no matter what Obama may sign, the Senate has to ratify it or it’s just so much wastepaper. And the chance of ratification by this Senate is near zero. They may finagle it around hoping the Senate may change and get it ratified a few years down the road. But by then things will be so bad in this country no one will be in a mood to give away as much as one red penny. Obamacare and his amnesty for illegal aliens are doing their job as we speak.
The Pope may not be so easy to read as that. If I was to guess I’d say he’s become a believer rather than doing it for the sake of money. That line about how badly climate change will hurt the poor developing nations would probably have more allure than money. He would want action, thinking that something the church could do would help.
But I don’t count my chickens before they hatch. Not anymore. I can only watch and wait to see what happens.
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You might have underestimated the Machiavellian creativity of the POTUS Roy. He intends to do an end run around the congress and the senate using reflexive law.
Your administration has been practicing and testing this treachery through your EPA.
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The states are beginning to wake up. I don’t know what will happen but Obama is heading for a showdown on multiple fronts. We shall see.
This crap is why the founders considered a heavily armed citizenry well trained in the use of their weapons to be essential to being free. Upon Obama’s 2008 election there was a major increase in gun sales. We shall see one of these days which side develops a hothead too stupid to stop the escalation. I don’t know what will happen but as I’ve said before, I expect violence to eventually come of it. Every single worst fear has come true.
In the meantime, as an individual I can only watch ad wait.
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PS: A federal court has just handed down a stay of Obama’s illegal alien amnesty order. This is no small development. The Supreme Court is likely to agree as I see it.
Other shoes can then begin to drop as states like Texas go on to tackle the EPA problem — which hurts Texas a lot — and other festering sores.
Obama’s newfound boldness may be his undoing.
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Then there’s the problem of Obamacare beginning to be felt.
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Reflexive Law needs to be challenged in the Supreme Court. It is an abomination.
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It’s my very great pleasure to take the time to agree with you, Rereke. Abomination is exactly the right description.
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The Romans made christianity the state religion because the empire was multicultural and there was always instability and turmoil somewhere.They took myths from several pagan faiths to invent a religion that all the pagan faiths could identify with (SEARCH FOR AUTHORS D M MURDOCK JOE ATWILL ETC)After the romans the european kingdoms kept christianity wedded to the state in order to keep us peasants compliant and in our place.Since medievel times the church as gradualy lost its power and in the age of democracy has become divorced from government after all we all live in multicultural societies again.So as far as i see it this meeting in Paris is yet another attempt to fill that void,except this time its a one world faith fit for one world government that all faiths across the world can feel comfortable with, worship of Ghia at the alter of the IPCC
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This is going to be a sickening , dirty year of politics promoting AGW. BBC now beginning their campaign leading up to paris. They will be followed by all european TV, Aus and USA.
Prepare your sick bags.
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This simple proof that CO2 change has no significant effect on climate might help.
CO2 has been considered to be a forcing with units Joules/sec. Energy change, which is revealed by temperature change, has units Joules. Average forcing times duration produces energy change. Equivalently, a scale factor times the time-integral of the CO2 level produces the temperature change.
During previous glaciations and interglacials (as so dramatically displayed in An Inconvenient Truth) CO2 and temperature went up and down nearly together. This is impossible if CO2 is a significant forcing (scale factor not zero) so this actually proves CO2 CHANGE DOES NOT CAUSE SIGNIFICANT AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE CHANGE.
Application of this analysis methodology to CO2 levels for the entire Phanerozoic eon (Berner, 2001) proves that CO2 levels up to at least 6 times the present will have no significant effect on average global temperature.
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A very good article in todays 17 Feb. AUSTRALIA page 12 ‘Commentary’ by Garath Paltridge a former CSIRO chief scientist and director of the Antarctic Co-operative Research Centre titled ‘CLIMATE OF CHERRY PICKING. He basically pulls apart the claims made by the Australian Academy of Sciences.
Cheers.
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The AUSTRALIAN newspaper that is.
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Why don’t they/we ask him? God that is. Of course one must willing and humble enough to accept the truth of the answer received, or don’t expect an answer.
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Perhaps He has already provided an answer in Boston and we just can’t see it.
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I guess it’s about to the point that they need a periscope to see above the snow. Intentional or not, its good that it’s happening in the eastern US for all to see. Most urban Americans don’t know or care about what happens in the rural west, which having an extremely mild winter.
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if u find the article is behind a paywall, there’s plenty of text at the blog:
17 Feb: Bolt Blog: The Academy of Science is too over-heated
Garth Paltridge, former CSIRO chief research scientist and director of the Antarctic Co-operative Research Centre, exposes more of the cherry-picking that’s given us the great global warming scare ..
Climate of cherry-picking
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/climate-of-cherry-picking/story-e6frg6zo-1227221814797
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/the_academy_of_science_is_too_over_heated/
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Or try at the AFR:
http://www.afr.com/p/lifestyle/review/science_held_hostage_in_climate_Uamwgc7zXEsU6RbQJ5MWIJ
Excellent article, though it is apparent he is a sceptic given some of the language about believers. Would have been better had it been a tad more balanced IMO.
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‘One of the ABC’s most acclaimed journalists, Sarah Ferguson, was so hostile towards Treasurer Joe Hockey in an interview last year that she breached the broadcaster’s bias guidelines, an ABC-commissioned editorial review has found.
‘Ms Ferguson’s 7.30 interview with Mr Hockey on budget night was nominated for a Walkley Award for journalistic excellence last year.’
SMH
Maybe we need to agitate for an audit on the ABC’s presentation of climate change, plenty of heat and hostility there.
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The BBC here in the UK has made a major climate propaganda film to be shown shortly and, no doubt, repeated often.
We do have a lot of fools in politics here. Boris Johnson (Mayor of London) on being told of the dangers of diesel, said at once that diesel would be banned in the capital – until he was reminded that all his lovely new buses (of which he is so proud) together with all delivery lorries and vans, run on diesel!
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One of my UK colleagues wrote to Mr Johnson, suggesting that he remove the diesel engines from the buses, and replace them with large elastic bands, that could be wound each morning, by wind turbines, that could then be used during the day to provide electricity for the Underground.
He got a response too. One of Mr Johnson’s aides replied, that they are actively considering the suggestion.
It is sometimes hard to distinguish between wit and stupidity.
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Perhaps he was just an anagram of those two things…
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The 86 page ”draft” from Durban looks like an 86 page suicide note that remarkably resembles Kevin Rudd’s suicide note on our behalf presented it Copenhagen
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Fiji Procurement and Tenders
12th Jan 2015 – weather measuring equipment upgrades and services
Procurement (Amendment) Regulations 2012
All the villagers in aforementioned islands/provinces seem to have been relocated, newly housed and new economic ventures reported as successes. One island for sale (Farhad Vladi)as are some tourist resorts for sale in same, issues with one enterprising province governor and new estate . Though this appears now to be reported by Fiji Times 🙂 as completed 2012. Houses went for tender 😉
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I think this sums up the situation:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxbIU0X-lCI
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Hilarious – are the Fiji folks going to Kiribati? Or did some unscrupulous real estate agent score big?
“Plagued by sea-level rise, Kiribati buys land in Fiji”
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/7/1/kiribati-climatechange.html
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I looked up the unfcc and discovered this little gem.
I then thought it can’t be that simple, in that I believe they mean greenhouse gases other than water. But no, when I checked the definition of “greenhouse gases” in the same document it says;
Therefore I propose in our communications with the media we ask them what are we going to do to control water vapour in the atmosphere because for every CO2 molecule we create by burning fossil fuels we also create water vapour which is by far the more potent greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.
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We don’t create the bulk of water vapour in the atmosphere thats done by the natural hydrological cycle (ie evaporation from the oceans and evapotranspiration from vegetation). That in turn leads to clouds and rainfall and so the cycle continues. The idea that CO2 “builds up” water vapour as “a forcing agent” which in turn heats up the atmosphere beyond the effect of CO2 is just BS.
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reminder:
2012: AustralianClimateMadness: Simon: Quote of the Day: Brian Schmidt
The Nobel laureate Professor Brian Schmidt, announced today as the Australian of the Year, on science and politics:
From The Australian: Science should inform policy, but must not become politicised, he (Schmidt) says.
“On issues like climate change, coal-seam gas, water management in the Murray-Darling Basin and stem cells we have seen science and public policy get mixed together,” he said. “We have seen policymakers challenging science, which they are ill-equipped to do.
It is important for scientists not to get involved in the policy debate because if we do that then we are tainting the scientific argument.” (source)
http://australianclimatemadness.com/2012/01/21/quote-of-the-day-brian-schmidt/
today:
16 Feb: Guardian: Oliver Milman: Nobel laureate asks Australia to follow UK example on bipartisan climate deal
Brian Schmidt calls on Australia’s political parties to emulate Britain’s joint pledge, signed by main political leaders, to urgently tackle climate change
Schmidt, who won the 2011 Nobel prize for physics and is a councillor at the Australian Academy of Science, said he would be keen to help broker a similar deal between the Coalition, Labor and the Greens in Australia….
“I’d be keen for someone to step up to help the process and if political parties think I’m right, I’d be happy to do so, as it’s such an important issue. All the major parties say they believe climate change is occurring, but the average Australian voter thinks they don’t agree on anything in this space.
“I’d say they don’t have to agree on everything, but let’s push Australia along as a global deal on climate change is inevitable and Australia should act, if only for its own economic self-interest. Its economy will be in ruins if it continues to be carbon-based.”…
Greg Hunt, the environment minister, said: “We believe clearly and categorically in the science and are committed to and will achieve our targets.
“We’re investing $2.55bn to reduce Australia’s emissions. This is in stark contrast with Labor which gave Australia the worst of both worlds with higher electricity prices and an utterly failed emissions policy.”…
On Monday, the Australian Academy of Science released its latest update on the state of climate science. The publication aims to “counter confusion and misinformation” on the topic.
The guide, compiled by a panel of nine experts, poses questions such as “What is climate change?” and “Are human activities causing climate change?”
Schmidt said: “The purpose of this is to emphasise to citizens and policymakers that it’s time to stop talking about the science. To my mind, people who are non-experts should be called into question if they go against the entire academy on this. How can they be taken seriously if they do that?
“The media has a propensity to give airtime to people who are not experts, people like Maurice Newman. He’s entitled to his own opinion but I don’t understand why it should be given air. I could talk about the finances of Australia, but I wouldn’t expect those views to be aired.”…
Prof Andrew Holmes, the president of the Australian Academy of Science, said: “The evidence is clear: climate change, caused by human activities, is real. The vast majority of scientists and scientific organisations in this field are in agreement on this. And yet there continues to be a gap between public understanding and the science of climate change…
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/feb/16/nobel-laureate-asks-australia-to-follow-uk-example-on-bipartisan-climate-deal?utm_source=Daily+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=dd130a34f0-cb_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_876aab4fd7-dd130a34f0-303439889
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14 Feb: BBC: Roger Harrabin: Party leaders make joint climate commitment
In a joint statement, David Cameron, Ed Miliband and Nick Clegg said climate change was one of the most serious threats facing the world.
They said climate change threatens not just the environment but also security, prosperity and poverty eradication.
They have promised to end coal burning for power generation in the UK – unless it uses new clean-up technology.
Environmentalists say the pledge is significant because it quells some of their fears that the Conservatives might adopt a more climate-sceptic line, to mirror UKIP’s position…
The move will be noticed by the UK’s European partners working towards a global agreement on climate change at the UN conference in Paris in December. Some of them had been nervous that the UK might soften its leadership position in the talks, given the level of climate scepticism expressed by some newspapers and Conservative backbenchers.
The statement will also please investors who have been deterred from sinking money into renewable energy systems because they feared a withdrawal from climate policies…
***It has been brokered by Matthew Spencer of the think tank Green Alliance, who He told BBC News: “The purpose is to create space for the current and future PM to ensure that the UK can play a full role in securing a good outcome in Paris.
He added that another aim was “to reassure investors that agreement remains strong across current leaders on emissions reduction, and that we’re unlikely to see a major change in direction whichever party forms the next government”…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31456161?utm_source=Daily+Carbon+Briefing&utm_campaign=dd130a34f0-cb_daily&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_876aab4fd7-dd130a34f0-303439889
***Matthew Spencer, director, Green Alliance
Prior to Green Alliance, Matthew was head of government affairs at the Carbon Trust; campaign director at Greenpeace UK and founder and chief executive of the renewable energy agency Regen SW, where he developed Wave Hub, the world’s first proving ground for wave energy farms. Matthew was a member of the Renewables Advisory Board 2005-10 and currently sits on the Department for Energy and Climate Change’s Carbon Capture and Storage Development Forum…
http://www.wrap.org.uk/content/matthew-spencer-director-green-alliance
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What they meant to say is, “climate change abatement threatens not just the environment but also security, prosperity and poverty generation.
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16 Feb: Yahoo: AFP: Limited climate change accord likely in Paris: IPCC expert
Jean-Pascal Van Ypersal, the Belgian deputy vice president of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, told AFP: “I am optimistic. We will have an accord in Paris.”
But the goal of limiting the global temperature increase to just two degrees Celsius remains elusive, and Van Ypersal said it appeared the world is not ready to do what is needed to deliver that essential target.
“A deal in Paris will at least allow us to continue the work, but I fear time is passing and we have to make decisions by consensus,” he said.
“I do not think today that we have the consensus to aim higher.”…
“Since there is no mechanism forcing states to do more, I think we will just have to be satisfied with what they offer,” Van Ypersal said.
“The United States has certain legislative problems — their Paris negotiators will accept only what they know they can win approval for (at home), which is very honest,” he said.
The problem is that “the promises currently on the table are not enough to hit the two degrees Celsius target by 2020. We have to do more.”
“We have to hope that the public will put pressure on governments,” he added.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/26299557/limited-climate-change-accord-likely-in-paris-ipcc-expert/
still pushing for 2017:
16 Feb: BusinessGreen: Jessica Shankleman: UK carbon market plan would boost emissions price, report says
The European Union could have a higher, more robust and credible carbon price, if countries agree to adopt a fix to the scheme from 2017, rather than 2021, new analysis shows today…
A new report today (by) 12 research organisations, including the London School of Economics’ Grantham Institute and the University of Oxford, found the system would be more credible under the UK and Germany’s proposals.
“The Early Start MSR significantly improves the carbon price credibility of the EU ETS particularly over the next decade compared to the EC MSR across all models,” the report states…
Conversely, it argues the Commission’s plan for a start date of 2021 would deliver a less credible price than today. “The EC MSR proposal encourages market participants to bank more efficiently and thus reduces the slope of the carbon price trajectory. Thus today’s carbon price is more credible for investors,” it added.
The findings come after a report by Thomson Reuters Point Carbon last month showed that an early start date would save at least 250 million tonnes of carbon emissions during the next five years compared to a 2021 start
http://www.businessgreen.com/bg/news/2395370/uk-carbon-market-plan-would-boost-emissions-price-report-says
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I say pay the Paris attendees what they’re worth–which means we send each attendee a bill for $5,000. Such action will keep the number of attendees down and start a fund to be used to offset the damage they will do.
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16 Feb: LSE: New study highlights need for speedy reform of EU Emissions Trading System
The report by 12 international research institutions, convened by ***Climate Strategies, is based on economic models and laboratory experiments…
The research was led by Professor Karsten Neuhoff at the German Institute for Economic Research (DIW Berlin)…
The work was convened by the international researcher platform Climate Strategies and involved economic models and laboratory experiments by 12 institutions…
NOTES:
1. The full report available is available online: http://climatestrategies.org/publication/is-a-market-stability-reserve/
2. The research was supported with funding from the Stiftung Mercator, Mistra’s Indigo Program, the United States Environmental Protection Agency and German Economic Ministry. Full list of participating institutions convened by Climate Strategies: German Institute for Economic Research (DIW Berlin, project lead), Australian National University, Centre for European Economic Research, Climate Economics Chair of Paris-Dauphine University, Colorado School of Mines, London School of Economics and Political Sciences, Oxford University, Resources for the Future, University of Duisburg Essen, University of Michigan, University of Virginia and Zurich University of Applied Sciences. As well as computational analysis of the EU ETS, the study involved experiments with human subjects, a detailed assessment of the EU Transaction Log and interviews and workshops with market participants…
http://www.lse.ac.uk/GranthamInstitute/news/new-study-highlights-need-for-speedy-reform-of-eu-emissions-trading-system/
***Climate Strategies: About Us
(bottom of page) A selection of Climate Strategies’ supporters and collaborators:
includes Foreign & Commonwealth Office, DECC, etc.
http://climatestrategies.org/about-us/
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Joanne,
It is sometimes worthwhile following the pedigrees of ideas such as the following 1986 On Target report:
7 November 1986. Thought for the Week: ‘The Control of the Agenda’ technique… This technique operates in all sorts of ‘democratic’ associations, from the State down. It is one of the chief methods of defeating democracy at the source, and the larger the association, the easier it is to work it. It is, like all effective techniques, simple: it consists simply in so arranging things that the voters are asked to choose between two or more methods of attaining a certain objective, and in taking care that they are not allowed to vote on the desirability of that objective. We have referred to it as the choice between ‘being boiled in oil or hanged by the neck”‘.
– – B. W. Monahan.
THE MONEY MERCHANTS MOVE TO MONETARY MURDER
from Jeremy Lee, National Secretary of the Institute of Economic Democracy
” Breathes there a man with soul so dead Who never to himself hath said This is my own, my native land…”
“When the National Australia Bank, in its October, 1986, Monthly Summary, issued a call for the implementation of the New International Economic Order, it morally forfeited the right to own its name; for it was calling for the destruction of Australia’s national sovereignty. “The Bank’s argument was carried in one dispassionate, shabby, shoddy, treacherous sentence: “The development of the new global economy’, said the National/Australia Bank, ‘demands a fundamental realignment of policymaking power, away from national governments to some as yet undefined institutional order, where the traditional nation state plays a more subordinate role…’ “How carefully chosen was the syntax of the sell out!
Australia, a ‘nation state’ to become ‘subordinate’. “To whom pray? “Why, a ‘yet undefined institutional order’. “For while this most careful of all article mentioned no names; it spelled out quite clearly the programme of David Rockefeller s Trilateral Commission, established over July 23 and 24, 1972, at Pocantico Hills, New York.
“Why couldn’t the National/Australia Bank come out into the open and tell us so? “Because it would also have had to tell you the following: “The New International Economic Order is a plan for World Government, officially launched at the U.N. Sixth Special Session in April, 1974. “It is endorsed by the Socialist International which, under its Chairman, Herr Willy Brandt, produced the documents – ‘North South a Global Dialogue’ in 1980, and the book, ‘Global Challenge in 1985, calling for the same programme. “It is endorsed by the Australian Labor Party, in its 1982 Platform and Rules. “It is endorsed by the Soviet Communist bloc, as set out in the book by Soviet economist, Ernst Obminsky, (Novosti Publishing House, Moscow, 1978) as the logical fulfillment of Lenin’s advocated programme for international Communism. “It is endorsed by the Bilderberger Group, founded by Prince Bernard of the Netherlands, and the Club of Rome. “It will involve, according to the Trilateral Commission, founded by David Rockefeller of the Chase Manhattan Bank, both a political and philosophical accommodation with the Communist bloc.
“The implications for Australia involve: “The destruction of our traditional family farm system; “The destruction of Australian owned manufacturing industries; “The elimination of the existing Commonwealth Constitution; and, “The loss of Australia’s sovereignty.
“The weapon which the National/Australia Bank has used, in cooperation with others in the bankers’ cartel, is the morally indefensible technique of ‘debt finance’ whereby all money, in each nation, is exclusively issued as an interest bearing debt, thus preventing the sustained viability of physically efficient industries; the proper operation of supply and demand; the security of the family; and the sovereignty of the nation. “Banks, by monopolising this technique, have financed and armed revolutions, and depressions. They have now produced national and international bankruptcy, and are demanding world government as the price of global amortisation.
“They are reaching for final control of the world’s farms, mines, and industries. Their buildings – the biggest in every village, town and city – are the new ‘cathedrals’ of the 20th Century idolatry – the worship of Mammon. Of the men who have done this thing, for which their country and their fellows are less important than their club, their cheque book and their ‘profit’, it can be said: “‘Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason’. “Or could it be said: ‘there’s many a slip, twixt cup and lip”‘?
Source: http://www.alor.org/Volume22/Vol22No43.htm
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Yes
This works at all scales and levels
Perhaps the level most people may have experienced is the weekly/monthly meeting, where really difficult issues, causing increasing cascading chaos through inattention, are persistently placed last on the meeting agenda by those who obtain agenda control. This essentially ensures that there is no time to deal with them, meeting after meeting. Eventually, this causes yet another “big bang” power struggle, completely wasteful of resource but very satisfying for the short-term winners
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Jo
This is a very very crucial posting because many comments are from long standing climatologistswho have basically said its all over. readthe comments, fascinating reading
http://judithcurry.com/2015/02/15/denizens-ii/
[holding here for Jo to see] ED
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If the Vatican thinks that climate is now a Catholic issue why don’t they just ask God to stop it.
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There won’t be much spin in the UK until after the election in May, the three main UK political parties have just signed a no discussion agreement that commits them all to “tackle climate change after the next election, whatever the outcome”
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/02/how-significant-is-the-uk-party-leaders-joint-climate-pledge/
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One cannot reason with those who have faith because faith is not about reason. The only evidence necessary for those of faith is their belief. It is about belief for the sake of believing. It is rather like a snake eating its own tail in expectation of getting fat. In the end, there is no there, there.
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Well the noon radio news lead off with story about a new Gov study claiming that if we don’t stop green house gasses right away, North America is in for a 40 year drought within the next century. So yes its on. Pure propaganda.
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Truth is if we don’t stop electing idiots were in for a 40 yr recession.
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I wonder what the Parisian jihadists are planning for this influx of world leaders and their acolytes?
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