Not only climate change destroy coffee, chocolate and beer, but war is going to ruin your weekends too.
When war breaks out and they come for your first-born, you may ask if you should’ve left the car in the garage more. You may wonder if you could have used public transport, and converted all the lights to LEDs sooner and only eaten locally sourced oranges. Feel the guilt. Send them your money.
Walk for Peace!
There is no end to the combinations and permutations of ways to use fear to ask for funds. Before we set up Departments of Climate Change, Global carbon trading markets, Emissions reductions schemes, and prepare our Defence Force for the wave of violent desperate climate refugees that were forecast but didn’t come, we need one thing more than any other. We need climate models that actually work.
“Climate change will destabilise our region and undermine our way of life, yet we are doing nothing to prevent it.”
Exactly, we are doing nothing, nothing useful at all. Though we are pouring billions of dollars down deep wells trying to reduce CO2, and prepare for a climate we absolutely cannot predict. (Is that the kind of “nothing” that Sturrock and Ferguson meant?) There is no funding for alternate climate models, no funding to study the role of the sun in our climate and get models to include factors that current failing models ignore — like solar wind, cosmic rays, solar magnetic effects, spectral changes, and lunar tidal effects on ENSO patterns.
The highest priority for any sensible environmentally concerned government is to set up a centre to study natural causes of climate change, which the IPCC was specifically tasked not to do in 1989. The only thing the current models have proven is that whatever they predict, we should prepare for something different.
As I’ve said before:
The models not only fail on global decadal scales, but on regional, local, short term, [1] [2], polar[3], and upper tropospheric scales[4] [5] too. They fail on humidity[6], rainfall[7], drought [8] and they fail on cloud feedbacks [9]. The hot spot is missing, the major feedbacks are not amplifying the effect of CO2 as assumed.
If we had one model that worked, one, we’d be in a position to start writing reports like the one that’s all over the gullible press today in Australia. Until then, we are wasting time, funds, and showing how we’re not serious about the environment. If the Greens cared about the poor Pacific Islanders they would have demanded better research, to a higher standard, and starting ten years ago.
In the run-up to Paris in December we will get the full spectrum of witchdoctors promising to “Stop the Storms”, save our babies from shrinking 0.5% in 850 years, and keep little fish from getting reckless. I vote we take their claims seriously. That’s why I’m helping them with their PR, because they only have billions of dollars, The UN, The World Bank, The Pope, and The Twitter account of the Leader of the Free World. Please share the image and get the message around.
Any other ideas on better captions and ways to get this message out? Do share. And why not send the bolded paragraph above to politicians everywhere, so they can get off their bottoms and actually do the one most important and useful thing for the climate — better research. It’s time we put scientists onto the job — real ones that come from outside the strangled, failed, “climate” sector — we need mathematicians, physicists, statisticians and engineers with track records of making things work.
The list is as long as your arm,
That warmists claim climate will harm,
But it’s all make believe,
Compiled to deceive,
By those programmed on climate alarm.
— Ruairi
REFERENCES
Sturrock and Ferguson (2015) The longest Conflict: Australia’s Climate Security Challenge, Centre for Policy Development, June 2015
[1^] Anagnostopoulos, G. G., D. Koutsoyiannis, A. Christofides, A. Efstratiadis, and N. Mamassis, (2010). A comparison of local and aggregated climate model outputs with observed data’, Hydrological Sciences Journal, 55: 7, 1094 — 1110 [PDF]
[2^] Koutsoyiannis, D., Efstratiadis, A., Mamassis, N. & Christofides, A.(2008) On the credibility of climate predictions. Hydrol. Sci. J. 53(4), 671–684. changes [PDF]
[3^] Previdi, M. and Polvani, L. M. (2014), Climate system response to stratospheric ozone depletion and recovery. Q.J.R. Meteorol. Soc.. doi: 10.1002/qj.233
[4^] Christy J.R., Herman, B., Pielke, Sr., R, 3, Klotzbach, P., McNide, R.T., Hnilo J.J., Spencer R.W., Chase, T. and Douglass, D: (2010) What Do Observational Datasets Say about Modeled Tropospheric Temperature Trends since 1979? Remote Sensing 2010, 2, 2148-2169; doi:10.3390/rs2092148 [PDF]
[5^] Fu, Q, Manabe, S., and Johanson, C. (2011) On the warming in the tropical upper troposphere: Models vs observations, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 38, L15704, doi:10.1029/2011GL048101, 2011 [PDF] [Discussion]
[6^] Paltridge, G., Arking, A., Pook, M., 2009. Trends in middle- and upper-level tropospheric humidity from NCEP reanalysis data. Theoretical and Applied Climatology, Volume 98, Numbers 3-4, pp. 351-35). [PDF]
[7^] Anagnostopoulos, G. G., D. Koutsoyiannis, A. Christofides, A. Efstratiadis, and N. Mamassis, (2010). A comparison of local and aggregated climate model outputs with observed data’, Hydrological Sciences Journal, 55: 7, 1094 — 1110 [PDF]
[8^] Sheffield, Wood & Roderick (2012) Little change in global drought over the past 60 years, Letter Nature, vol 491, 437
[9^] Miller, M., Ghate, V., Zahn, R., (2012) The Radiation Budget of the West African Sahel 1 and its Controls: A Perspective from 2 Observations and Global Climate Models. in press Journal of Climate [abstract] [PDF]
These people are digging their own graves, to the extent that only the absolute nutters remain on their side. I think I’ll have a sandwich while I can. 😉
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I’d try to have a sandwich now while I can, a new study on High CO2 Wheat (Steroids) tells us that bread WILL not rise as well or at all, apparently the concentration of protein, in this wheat, is rather low so yeast will have nothing to eat!!!!
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/06/21/claim-climate-will-inhibit-bread-dough-from-rising/
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Blimey Peter.
Please don’t make me go through all that again in trying to explain agricultural research to a whole bunch of highly opinionated WUWT food and agriculture ignorants and narrowness in their thinking and their total lack of a broad perspective about how and where their food comes and the agricultural research needed to fill their bellies.
But of course all that bread and food comes from the super market shelves which are magically filled by the fairies from the bottom of the garden and will therefore never run out so no worries and Agricultural researchers and farmers are just government paid parasites.
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You don’t need to ‘explain’ it to us you condescending upstart. We know where food comes from and we know real agrucultural research is needed.
However, we can still spot a stupid alarmist ‘study’ for what is: grant-troughing piffle.
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I have made bread hundreds of times. Sometimes it comes out looking like the bread on the right. More often, it comes out looking like the bread on the left. Nobody cares, as long as it tastes good and the loaf doesn’t resemble a stone. The outcome depends on so many variables – relative humidity, ambient air temperature, age of the yeast, humidity of the flour and temperature of the ingredients are just a few. In order to definitively state that CO2 (and ONLY CO2) was the cause of the slightly smaller loaf, they would have had to eliminate ALL other variables in growing, milling and storing the flour, then eliminate ALL other variables in mixing and baking the bread. I find it hard to believe that the researchers were able to eliminate 100% of the variables except for CO2.
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Oh, and by the way – it’s pretty obvious that the loaf on the right was brushed with butter to make it shiny, while the loaf on the left was not. That’s one variable right there that has nothing to do with the flour.
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Photos of ‘lab’ bread, under lab conditions would be expected to be taken in the usual surrounds, a lab bench, oven in background etc….Here, the outside decking is a clanging non-sequitur as is the absence of a scale bar.
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No doubt a glazed loaf.I reckon the one on the left was done in a breadmaker machine.Dead set! Previously I cropped wheat in Nw NSW,but that doesn’t make me an expert on making agood loaf.Give us this day………
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If I had just been shown the picture of the two loaves of bread and sked to explain the difference, I would have said the one on the right had been given botox.
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Did you READ the WUWT take on this ? This BS was ridiculed by those who replied. WUWT did not put out this crap, some “Acadumies ” did.
But have a nice day , anyway ! (8>))
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Well! That just shows you what they know! Yeast needs sugar, from the starches in the dough mix, to produce CO2 to promote the rising. The level of protein may have some effect on elasticity. On the other hand, the mob at this research centre may be scientists, but probably are rotten bakers!
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It needs active yeast – i.e. yeast that is alive. I have baked bread that came out like the loaf on the left, by using yeast that was well past it’s use-by date.
From the photograph, I notice that they are using an electric line to keep the CO2 where they want it. Well it works with cows and horses …
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Sounds great to me I’m gluten intolerant. And that’s the major protein in wheat.
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Imagine the damage to world peace from a 3,500 watt vacuum cleaner. People are so irresponsible.
Please give to, “Dust Bunnies for World Peace”.
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I knew this was coming which is why I fitted my highly desirable 1993 Daihatsu Charade with this http://www.carthrottle.com/post/fitting-a-gatling-gun-exhaust-to-your-ride-is-the-best-tailgater-repellent/
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Brilliant…that should upset the Lefties no end….a polluting car *and* self defence….
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You could try an exhaust siren!
It is a set of organ-type pipes on the exhaust pipe with a flap valve to divert exhaust gas to do the noise.
But the last one I heard was on a straight 8 Packard so the Charade might be a bit short on lungs – and space for the pipe assembly.
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the charade is indestructible so even if its output is a bit gutless it will produce an annoying flat note for 100s of 1000s more kms.
Thanks for the comment… An amusing thing to pursue via google
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Ah! Th BIG Black post war straight eight Packard that the Old Man used to occasionally let me go courting in to impress the girlfriend and her parents.
It use to run big ends when belted up to 70 MPH and the old man reckoned it happened a bit frequently but never quite figured out why although I think he had some thoughts on the subject which is why I mostly got the farm ute for the courting process.
Yeh! .I married her and after some 54 four years of marriage we still mostly talk to one another.
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Between writing posts
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And building 10Kg and 20 Kg sheet steel Chook treadle Feeders for flogging around the local markets!
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That one was about 1928 vintage I think, but in the bush it is a good vehicle if it has an engine and four wheels and they all go round.
Would be a collectors item now I guess.
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I think the Old Mans Packard was a 1948 model.
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My wife has an uncle who owns what might be the world’s only 1927 Packard ute. It was apparently bought as an estate by a sawmill, and was converted into a massive pickup after delivery. Last time I saw it it was a bit rough but ran, and was driven occasionally.
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The big end bearing problem was probably a design flaw in the engine. Straight eights tend to be too flexible in the crankshaft, which would definitely manifest itself at high speed.
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Still laughing at this…..you cant make this stuff up….
“”There is a growing network of cities and regional governments across the world who are banding together to share their experience on climate change reduction and greenhouse gas reduction strategies, and to share their experience on how to make the shift to a low-carbon future.”
“And the ACT, with its 90 per cent renewable energy targets and the strongest greenhouse gas reduction targets of any state or territory in the country, is well placed to join that group.”
90%? Seriously…..last one out please blow out the candle….
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-22/act-signs-up-to-two-climate-change-agreements/6562524?WT.ac=statenews_act
The song “Ship of Fools” keeps coming to mind….Oh wait….the ship seems to be stuck in ice….
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NO CANDLES!! You are burning Oxygen and releasing CO2!! Cannot have that!!!
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And actual carbon.
What to people thing that nice yellow warm glow really is? It’s bits of carbon glowing in the heat.
Gross simplication obviously, but if you can see a yellow flame, you can be pretty sure you are releasing a lot more then CO2 into your breathing spaces.
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The ACT might just be able to do it. They simply need to build a heat transfer system ducted to the Houses of Parliament. The hot air emanating from that place should be able to power the nation. If only there were more sitting days…
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At $270 a day living away from home allowance each politician, that could be as expensive as renewable energy.
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That 90% target will be met only if the power stations are across the border in NSW, along with the multiple wind parks which the Canberrans don’t want anywhere near their houses.
Remember their motto: All for one, and All for us.
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Steve
You’re not trying to suggest limiting the “carbon cockpoints” are you?
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The ACT plan is to get their powernfrom wind turbines in NSW! No chance of them wanting them in the ACT!
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But wait…theres more…..
Slow boat to China…or central canberra..only in daylight?
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-20/light-rail-network-to-run-on-100-per-cent-renewable-energy/6560498
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Schedules totally dependent on sunshine and windy days. You get to work late any time a cl I ud floats over. When the ACT ices over I suppose it stops altogether. What will they do, turn it off at night and for 90% of winter?
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Would you miss them if they did?
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It must be April 1st.
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Every day is April 1st in climate science.
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see what the schemers are doing now:
http://www.vidzhaya.wordpress.com/2015/06/22/top-25-transnational-corps-superconnected-binding-global-commitments-via-fast-track-vote-tomorrow-morning-at-senate/
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From the linked page:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/21/sen-sessions-slow-fast-track-now-before-its-too-late/
A very interesting and chilling article by Sen. Sessions.
Abe
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Also from the linked page:
The network of global corporate control.pdf
Abstract
Abe
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Pulled by those convicted as “Climate change deniers”?
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OMG are Canberra and Ottawa joined at the hip? If someone named Brian Guest is involved in Canberra, run!
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HILARIOUS!!!!
This is HOW they THINK they’re going to hit the 100% target.
“The 100 per cent renewable target would be made up in two parts.
Mr Corbell said the successful bidder for the project would have to source 10 per cent of the light rail’s electricity usage from renewable energy sources.
“Combined with the ACT Government achieving its target of 90 per cent renewable energy by 2020 – the time in which stage one light rail will be up and running – this will enable the Capital Metro project to be 100 per cent green energy powered,” he said.
I’ll wager my house they and teh ACT government DON’T make it to 100% by 2020!!
Cheers,
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90% + 10% = 100%
Gotta love our politicians 🙂
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Lies,deception,scam and Orwellian I exclaim! Shrieks and gnashing of teeth from the green left. Have confidence that Paris will not deliver the planet from our ravages my gullible ones.Apoplexy!
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There’s something about the calls for reductions in CO2 emissions that very few people are aware of, and this directly relates to the topic at hand here.
While there is a concentration on those huge emissions from the so called ‘big emitters’, power plants and some sections of big Industry, that overall hoped for reduction of 20% in emissions also means it must come from every sector of emissions.
I’m using data from the U.S. here, but it carries across to most Developed Countries, and that includes Australia as well.
While Electricity Generation makes up for 40% of all CO2 emissions, the second largest emissions total of CO2 comes from the Transportation Sector, and that makes up 32% of emissions.
So, if there is to be an overall reduction of 20% for emissions, then that 20% reduction also carries over to cars as well, meaning that, in effect, one in five cars has to be removed from the roads.
Yeah, right! Try implementing that.
That transportation sector can be broken down into individual areas as well.
Of that total Transportation Sector, the largest sources of transportation greenhouse gases in 2013 were passenger cars (42.7 percent), freight trucks (22.1 percent), light duty trucks, which include sport utility vehicles, pickup trucks, and minivans (18.0 percent), commercial aircraft (6.2 percent), rail (2.6 percent), pipelines (2.6 percent), and ships and boats (2.2 percent) and the remainder from miscellaneous transportation. (All these are U.S. figures from the EPA) In respect of this transportation sector, emissions from that sector are not falling as they are in some sectors, but are actually rising. In the U.S. Transportation Sector emissions have risen by 19% between 1990 (that original target year) and 2013.
So, when it comes to emissions reduction, they’re coming after your cars too. Not just your private cars, but boats and trains and planes as well.
Tony.
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I guess half the passenger fleet will have to be Tesla’s. What’s the price tag for that?
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Base retail a bit over A$100K plus registration and on road costs, or about 3.5 times an equivalent dimension conventional internal combustion engine passenger car.
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And guess where they recharge the batteries for the Tesla?Dirdy Coal.Another “Green thought Bubble”
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Clive you used the words green and thought in the same sentence (guess I just did too). Definitely an oxymoron.
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Well, while every one rushes for diesel ( I thought diesel was bad in terms of particualtes and lungs…maybe someone can confirm that ) I noticed a 2004 BMW X5 with 80000km and a price of 25K and a stonking great 4.8L V8. Now were talking…ironically, the V8s in the BMWs are pretty fuel efficient and as long as you dont try and use the beemer offroad ( you would get stuck very quickly ) its an awesome urban vehicle…..a new 2.5″ exhaust and a minor retune…..luverly……
Theres nothing quite like a V8 rumble….
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Apparently you can get a Soviet era T72 tank for $50K. That should have a fair sized v-12 Diesel engine too. 🙂
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In the UK, some locals were hiring out an old vietnam era APC to go belting around the streets of Surrey on hens nights and the such ( they supplied a driver…)
I guess parking it would have been easy…..and ex-boyfriends should have been nervous….park on top of ex-boyfriends WRX…grab left lever, pull hard…swivel…..
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Tony, trains and boats and planes will always be available on demand when transporting Klimatariat between important UN boondoggles…oops I mean conferences, just as there will always be a need to milk us for more funds.. oops I meant to say …fund ongoing climate research for the benefit of mankind.
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At the risk of spoiling the party, the topic of getting rid of cars is slightly off beat, ridiculously unrealistic and expensive and well, simply passé…
And as for headlines that might promote insight among the greater sheeple:
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$90 trillion plan … LOL … wait, what? That wasn’t an article from The Onion?
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Gaia can only be saved by restricting the mobility of the Greasy Multitude – that’s us, btw.
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Tony, don’t dismay. The precious ones will still ride in bullet-proof limos in convoys of several cars. They always will. The rules never impact the precious ones, just those that support them with their toil and taxes.
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In all this talk of escalating renewable energy installations, it is worth remembering the value of a base load capable electricity supply. One threat I have just realised exists but is not appreciated is the threat from within.
Yes, humans have forgotten how to use fire properly.
Do we need some training courses in advanced fire technology?
CANDLES101 – A Home Lighting Primer. (pun intended)
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Maybe I should go around on a donkey fed on beans and with a methane collector attached to its rear. Do you think that this would be acceptable to the Greenies?
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Would Mr donkey also produce some H2S? H2S in low concentrations gives off a “bad egg gas” smell. Unfortunately in enclosed spaces at fairly high concentrations H2S gives off no odour and will kill you in seconds by asphyxiation. Burn the donkey’s methane (CH4) in air and it produces two environmentally very friendly gases: CO2 & H2O. So there is a lot of benefit burning natural gas on planet Earth. So it is totally pointless collecting the donkeys CO2 expulsions. Tell that to the Greenies and they will vehemently object. Now H2S is another matter but Mr donkey like us humans releases very little H2S during its periods of flatulence. Maybe the Greenies with their great interest in “Greenhouse Gases” should do some of their own field research wrt to a real pollutant, H2S – climb down into an enclosed septic tank and hope the concentration of H2S isn’t greater than 300 ppm. Would they be smart enough to wear face masks?
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john karajas,
No, it wouldn’t. They would claim that your methane capture device was harmful to the animal, accuse you of animal cruelty, fine you, and then produce a ‘pee*-reviewed’ study ‘proving’ without a doubt that this device should be banned, post a petition on-line to ‘pressure’ the govt. into passing legislation that would ban research into ‘animal-methane capture’ even if that research was meant to remove any harmful effects to the animal.
Why?
Because what they want is control. The more control the better. Being green is not about the environment. It’s about being ‘green with envy’. They can’t stand that you and I can be self-sufficient, productive members of society. They must control everything.
Including an especially the air you breathe out.
Abe
*not a spelling error.
Oh, and by the way, if it means that we’re all reduced to living in huts gathering berries and digging up roots for vitamins and worms for protein, then so be it. As long as they control it all, the ends justify the means.
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To the Greens, yes, but not to the donkey …
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Only if they are locally grown, organic beans.
Hmm, the methane collector must be attached to a hole in an ass… Should be plenty of methane in Parliament.
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The main issue of this report is that Australia’s military isn’t prepared,our Military is prepared for every eventuality including Martial Law.
Besides if this so called CAGW ever came about there would be plenty of lead time to prepare,it isn’t like it’s going to sneak up on us,the poles would take decades to melt,as for drought famine floods pandemics etc,we have always had them and we will cope with whatever turns up.
Droughts floods,sounds just like Australia!
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They will be better prepared if they get equipment that actually works. That means dropping the F35 and buying Russian planes. Or maybe Swedish or French planes. Or maybe Eurofighters.
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G’day,
This is part of the report on the ABC’s Just In site:
Former UK Climate and Energy Security Envoy Rear Admiral Neil Morisetti says the ADF is falling behind its major allies like the US and UK.
“We know enough to know that we’ve got to act,” he said.
“If you take for example the reports that came out last year from the inter-governmental panel on climate change, 95 per cent of the scientists are saying this is happening, and the pace and nature of things happening reflects the pace and nature of human activity,” he said.
I find it interesting that the IPCC is disguised in mufti…
Cheers,
Dave B
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Is that a misinterpretation of one sentence in the IPCC report – “95% of scientists” vs “95% certainty”…? Only a person with very limited cognitive ability would think these terms are interchangeable, and allow themselves to be quoted as such.
The alternative is that they got the “97% of climate scientists” figure wrong.
Now of course if a ‘denier’ was to make a similar mistake, we’d never hear the end of it…
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G’day James,
I don’t know the answer to that. I just took the whole thing as the latest example of military intelligence…
Cheers,
Dave B
PS The overall propaganda level is becoming deafening. D
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The longest Conflict press release: “Australia is extremely vulnerable to climate impacts….”. It goes on to list the impacts that Australia has absorbed, frequently, over the last 200 years and has survived, much to the cost of English cricket.
Actually the report makes an extremely strong case for adaption over mitigation but, of course, genuflects to the meme by suggesting the decarbonisation of the military – under the heading energy security!. They cite the USA and UK military. Guys, they don’t mean it!
A feature is made of mass migration. Hello, is this what they mean by “climate change is happening now?
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Ahh! Climate Change.
That’s why they can’t adapt to the Kookaburra, and use their own Duke at home.
Tony.
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At last some cricket trivia.
Like Tony no doubt in QLD, here in WA club cricket I bowled mainly with a four piece Kookaburra. Being a swing bowler my eyes lit up when we occasionally used a two piece Kookaburra – boy did it swing. For a while there I thought I was swinging it as much as Bob Massie in that 1972 Lords Test match where he took 16 wickets. There is nothing more pleasurable than bowling an inswinger to a right hand batsman with a “late in dipping” delivery that skittles his stumps. The look of horror on the batsman’s face – priceless.
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Being a natural outswing bowler, I got most of mine behind the stumps and in the slips. As I aged and got a little slower, it would give me immense pleasure to see the nonplussed looks on batsman as the ball ‘hooped’ across them, and when I occasionally bowled a batsman around the back of his legs, they wondered how that could happen. You’d sometimes see them trying to follow the swing with their bats.
Into my late 30’s and early 40’s, I got a coaching qualification and was coach of a young team, and more of an on field mentor than the captain. They couldn’t figure out how I got the one side of the old ball back to such a high shine after so many overs, and then made it swing so much. The young quicks would just roar in and blast it down. It was almost impossible to explain the words subtelty and patience to them.
One Saturday afternoon at Raymond Terrace in my second Summer there, and as a twenty one year old, I put the two Captains (theirs as opening batsman, off the shoulder of the bat and onto his nose, and ours misjudging a slips catch, deflected off the keeper’s gloves for a broken jaw) into hospital. Eight 8 ball overs and not a run scored for six wickets. There is nothing like bowling that fast.
Tony.
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Well Tony you were quick in your younger days. No doubt that poor batsman had no helmet – pre 1980’s era. I wasn’t so lethal – medium pace swing & seam. We played on fast wkts in WA in the 1970’s / 1980’s and being a lower order batsman facing quicks in the pre 1980’s was not all that much fun.
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Decarbonising of the military –
Aren’t US and UK managing this by reductions which might be like those of the 1920’s as a last gasp look from the mass of dire straits predicted around 2050 or so?
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“suggesting the decarbonisation of the military”
Solar powered tanks? Fighter gliders?
According to this story, though, both the US Navy and the Royal Navy are already reducing the CO2 they release into the atmosphere. The US is doing it by having carriers from which no planes can take off or land, and the UK by not having any planes for the carriers.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/icebergs-ahead-for-expensive-us-uk-aircraft-carrier-projects/story-fnpjxnlk-1227405344686
It’s a good start.
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If you are looking for a motto for the way today’s ‘climate science’ is practiced, may I suggest:
Don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is made up.
I am not sure if you should add this to your list of the many things wrong with the current crop of climate models, namely that the calculations use the gross annual increase of CO2 in the atmosphere, not its net increase, as around 50% of the ‘evil gas’ is absorbed by the oceans. I have read that on several occasions, but I do not know if that is accurate.
In any event, I do not see how anyone can pretend to be able to measure, or forecast, atmospheric convection currents accurately without having error bars, whose magnitude would make the exercise meaningless.
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May I ask – what’s it made up of, exactly, please.
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Vaccuum?
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Don’t talk to me about Vaccuum. Vaccuum sucks.
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Happy thoughts…
Righteous indignation…
Wishes…
Good intentions…
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It begs the question we should ask them……….
What Mind ????
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Somewhat O/T but this continues to bug me:
What I find quite remarkable is that otherwise intelligent people seem to have massive levels of faith in cliamte models. As someone who has worked with models for several decades (admittedly economic ones, but far simpler systems than the climate) I have a low level of confidence in any model that isn’t a simple accounting identity. Even such models, when they cover a lot of elements, are often simplified for practical purposes, and then cease to be strictly accurate, but rather estimates of reality. But these models are leagues of accuracy ahead of climate models.
Some of the major limitations I can think of, off the top of my head:
1) Not all relevant climate variables are included (e.g. the IPCC claims heat is “likely” to be hiding below 700m in the oceans, but we have no data).
2) The relationships between known variables (let alone omitted variables) aren’t always known with a reasonable degree of certainty.
3) We do not have very good data for even the most crucial of variables (atmosphere temps are reasonable, ocean temps are very sketchy, and so on). Hardly known with a high degree of accuracy, or why would organisations be continually revising historic data (e.g. recent NCDC histus-busting exercise).
Meh, I could go on, but just these three points are crippling. No model should be claimed to be “skilful” given these severe limitations. By skilful, statisticians mean that the model can forecast accurately beyond the period of data it was “trained” on. IPCC climate models are not skilful, which is visually proven by the “hiatus” divergence. It is taht simple. Damn your lying eyes 🙂
Hence why I get frustrated with teh true CAGW believers such as at the Whirlpool Fora here (most recently pages 98-99):
http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=2405024
As I point out there … if the IPCC needs sub-700m hiding heat to explain why the models diverge, then the models are broken. One cannot claim a model is skilful and then say the only reason it doesn’t forecast observed data ex-post, is a number of factors you didn’t have in the model. For the model’s estimators to be unbiased, all significant variables have to be included. Hence the argument is a circular fail any way you look at it.
The IPCC modelling section should just be replaced with “our models don’t work.” Meanwhile, look at this polar bear clinging to disappearing sea ice…
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But!! this is a selfie of a climate scientist/modeller http://bungalower.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/snake-oil-salesman.jpg
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Meanwhile at “our ABC” they are pushing leading climate scientist aka The Pope:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-06-22/jensen-the-pope-on-climate-change/6563238
The “consensus” has been brought up … or should I say regurtitated again in comments, so I posted (assuming it gets by the ABC mod squad):
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Funny how the threat of copying comments elsewhere always means they appear at the ABC.
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TBH, when I see that at the bottom of a post it just confirms my prejudice.
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Which prejudice exactly? I have seen too many similar posts disappear at the ABC when they didn’t carry the final line. They transgressed no posting guideline. The fact that I resort to this tactic shows how far out of bounds the ABC mods have strayed.
Tell you what. I shall post a few to the ABC in the next couple weeks without the tagline and keep a track of when they do disappear. Not that it will convince the ABC luvvies the bias is there. No doubt they will imagine some technical fault on my part prvented the posting. This will be followed by some comment about conspiracy ideation etc… The usual rot.
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GUess I am cranky. Should spend less time at Whirlpool and the ABC.
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Whirlpool? You haven’t been stirring up NBN-luvvies have you? You know FTTN and wireless is “fraudband”, right? /s
Ah, they wouldn’t be having this argument if the Labor government hadn’t poked its nose and taxpayer wallets into the telco infrastructure market. You have to wonder if our sluggish line speeds were a market failure to upgrade at acceptable prices, or simply due to lack of demand for anything over 8Mb/s.
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It seems most tech fora are hard left-leaning. Slashdot is just as bad, but at least they have a sense of humour there. I wonder if it is because the techie types don’t get out much.
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Are you aware that the Labor Premier of Queensland travelled to the US on a trade mission and while she there she met with US Navy officers and tried to sell them on using Queensland Ethanol Diesel fuel. Lol
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Better to the US Navy than in our petrol tanks!
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Mike
Definitely!
From one who been around diesel for 60 years or so, hasn’t heard of bacterial/algal problems until recently and now am on a very fast learning curve.
If we’re getting the extras in the fuel that cause these problems why aren’t we getting the extra additive that we now have to buy and add to fix them?
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http://www.ethanolrfa.org/exchange/entry/rfa-says-ethanol-is-not-to-blame-for-diesel-fuel-corrosion-incidents/
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I can’t find the article any more, but the local rag asked the principal manufacturer for comment, and the advice was along the lines of, isn’t going to happen as we don’t produce that type of fuel, and don’t have the capacity to produce it.
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Empress Anaesthesia at work then?
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Some years ago after returning from a fishing trip on Hervey Bay, Fraser Island North, Platypus Bay, I was tired and on the way home I topped up the 160 litre petrol tank with E10, 90 Litres added. After that I did not put the boat on the water for over a year after moving interstate. To cut a long story short the Honda 130 outboard was running poorly, backfiring, would not increase revs without stalling. The local Honda dealer had to replace the fuel pump and fuel lines that had corroded from the Ethanol in the petrol. I had to drain the tank and refill with the premium I usually use. And now I add a storage additive that keeps the petrol fresh for up to one year.
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IIRC the ethanol attracts water in the fuel system, which causes the actual damage. Things like o-rings and oil seals swell and crack. In some cases, new replacements ate available which are compatible with ethanol. Some like myself who own and ride vintage 2-stroke bikes run them on ultra premium grade petrol, which in Canada at least does not normally contain ethanol. All lower grades contain up to 10%.
As far as diesel engines go, they can be adapted fairly easily to run on pure ethanol. The result is very distinctive and immediately recognizable as the exhaust is smokeless and smells strongly of vinegar! The ethanol oxidises to acetic acid when burned. I remember the smell from living in Sweden, where ethanol powered buses are common.
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Nah.
Just shut off supply of coal/gas generated electricity to those cities/councils/states that vote green.
Let them have all the wind and solar power to the exclusion of all else.
And I would also include any business or company that reckon they are green. Like BP, Shell, BHP whomever.
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That eBay diesel generator is looking better all the time. Our wood fired heater isn’t going anywhere.
Temperature this morning:
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It appears that the image tag doesn’t work.
This is what I was trying to show: http://australianimage.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/winter-jun-2015-1.jpg
And our local park at 8:00am (the ducks weren’t actually frozen): http://australianimage.com.au/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/winter-jun-2015-3.jpg
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Can’t do that. What about all the folks on dialysis machines, or respirators, at home. They will just become victims, and to what purpose?
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The list is as long as your arm,
That warmists claim climate will harm,
But it’s all make believe,
Compiled to deceive,
By those programmed on climate alarm.
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ABC: The End Of Coal:
“VALERIE ROCKEFELLER, CHAIR, ROCKEFELLER BROTHERS FUND:
Australia’s an extremely progressive country that has been an international player on so many issues.
It is baffling to me why the current Australian Government is stuck in the past, rather than looking towards the future and becoming part of the solution.”
~ ~ ~
History says otherwise, and that “The industrial revolution led to a rapid decrease in windmill use.”
Windmills are the past past, not the future.
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There’s been hundreds of ideas for perpetual motion machines over the centuries. Why can’t we use some of those, leave the coal and oil in the ground, and deliver perpetual energy across the world along the well documented ley lines.
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Gary
Don’t stint yourself with some.
Like the climate models, round them all up and average them
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Cars cause Wars?
Road rage maybe, but wars?
Anybody know where I can buy a second hand tank?
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Graeme,
Think there might be a onnection between rap music and road rage?
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‘Their’ ABC, pimping a “solar powered greenhouse”! I wonder what they will use to generate extra CO2.
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Not only climate change destroy chocolate and beer, but war is going to ruin your weekends too.
Well, not everyone’s weekend:
June 20, 2015: Obama’s penchant for desert golf faces scrutiny in drought
President Barack Obama walks to shake hands with greeters after arriving aboard Air Force One at Palm Springs International Airport.
He is spending President’s Day weekend playing golf in the area.
. . .
One transatlantic flight can add as much to your carbon footprint as a typical year’s worth of driving.
Pope Francis: Causing Climate Change Is a “Sin”
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Maybe this December we’ll have The Cars That Ate Paris?
From Australia with love. 😉
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What a fabulous Oz Movie that was Yonniestone. John Meillon at his absolute malevolent best.
Tony.
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Hill End and those monstrous VWs . What horror!
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It’s a real forgotten gem for sure, I feel it influenced many later films of similar genre such as “the Hills Have Eyes”, Peter Weir’s first feature film also.
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Jo, you hardly have to alter actual past government scare tactic propaganda to tailor it for the present climate anti-car meme.
” EVERY K IS A KILLER ”
The old Queensland government anti-speeding campaign “Every k over is a killer” was almost as loony. So if I drive my car at 70km/h in a posted 70km/h zone I will never have an accident, but at 71km/h I’m suddenly transformed into a murderer looking for a victim?
In other words…
At 350ppmv CO2 is a beneficial substance for the plants and animals of the world and the climate is “safe”, but at 351ppmv it is a “dirty pollutant” and climate is suddenly “unsafe”.
At 0.50°C above the temperature of 1880s the world was safely tepid, but at +0.55° we suddenly need a new international climate treaty.
A car driver, like the climate system, is adaptive and has negative feedback. The faster you go, the more safety margin you leave in front of you and the more attention you give to the road ahead. There is also no way to plan for and avoid the unexpected, thus our risk in both driving and climate intervention is never reducible to zero. What if we actively sucked the CO2 back out of the air and lowered it to 290ppmv and the current interglacial ended? Total egg on face.
Also, the efficiency of our legal system to choose who to blame for a bad outcome should not be conflated with an objective determination of the physical cause of the accident, because any such determination would show that it takes two to tango. We already know that travelling 100km/h does not by itself cause accidents, but physics doesn’t know about the legal speed limit, so there’s nothing about traveling 71km/h that makes it unsafe when 100km is also safe, it’s just a social double standard in expectations which differs between one location and another. A more honest phrasing of the advert would have been “Every K over is a killer because our judges and politicians say it is, not because science shows it really is.” The speeding analogy with the climate crisis only improves.
And … need it be said… think of the children!
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You get the same thing when more than an average number of people die in car accidents on a long weekend. The Police Commissioner berates the whole state because there were five people in a single car. So obviously millions of people were driving dangerously and caused the one accident. We could reduce the number of deaths by making sure no more than one person was in any car. That means only drivers, not selfish irresponsible passengers.
The collapse of reason is common in Climate Warming and of course cars cause wars, plague and destroy trust and peace. McDonalds hamburgers are also responsible but in Syria, ISIL are always pictured in or near cars, so the cars are the real problem with death cults. Makes sense. Fossil fuel is evil and corrupts and underwear is the work of the devil. Send your money to the UN. You know they want it.
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You always see footage of those ISIL guys driving around in cars overloaded, no seatbelts, loaded weapons, firing weapons, flying flags outside the car, but worst of all SPEEDING
The Caliphate should declare jihad on speeding with severe punishment for all offenders, someone will end up getting killed……
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What gets me, is that they look like they are having fun.
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All work and no play makes Jihadist an unhappy boy.
Doesn’t take much to amuse that IQ level, but cars and guns feature heavily in mainstream movies, I blame big Hollywood!
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When the raw & most regrettable KIA stats are properly adjusted for number of cars on the road and km driven, then it will be worth paying attention. Until then, the raw data is essentially a meaningless over estimation and used as a marketing tool to promote ever more assiduous, revenue gathering. Nothing more. Money is the prime goal. Were standardised data used, the ‘problem’ would largely evaporate leaving the Ministry of We Know Best For Your Own Good no raison d’être to punitively and relentlessly continue to garner huge revenue through fines and speed cameras.
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I think Numberwatch did a session on speed limits?
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I was not aware of it, but did a search.
He was talking about speed cameras in the UK 12 years ago, not necessarily speed limits themselves. Brignell also linked to the http://www.safespeed.org.uk/ web site, which is an eye-opener in itself.
Thanks.
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Speed doesn’t kill. It’s the sudden unplanned stop against the lamp post that does it.
Stopping kills !!!
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It’s not the speed that kills, it’s the sudden stop. [wink]
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43 comments and not a single down tick from a troll.
Are they so reduced in numbers that they can’t man an afternoon shift?
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Graeme
The night shift has arrived!
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I think somebody just paid the AWU off so here they are!
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ROM
The duty cycle might be measured by the time from when I got one above and when you get yours!
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🙂 🙂
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ROM: Another Ian:
Obviously the Trolls don’t like smiley faces.
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When I read the opening few lines of the post I got a sudden rush of deja-vue for this:
Once In A Lifetime Lyrics:
And you may find yourself living in a shotgun shack
And you may find yourself in another part of the world
And you may find yourself behind the wheel of a large automobile
And you may find yourself in a beautiful house, with a beautiful wife
And you may ask yourself
Well…How did I get here?
Letting the days go by
Let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by
Water flowing underground
Into the blue again
After the money’s gone
Once in a lifetime
Water flowing underground
And you may ask yourself
How do I work this?
And you may ask yourself
Where is that large automobile?
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful house
And you may tell yourself
This is not my beautiful wife
Letting the days go by
Let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by
Water flowing underground
Into the blue again
After the money’s gone
Once in a lifetime
Water flowing underground
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Same as it ever was…
Water dissolving…and water removing
There is water at the bottom of the ocean
Under the water, carry the water at the bottom of the ocean
Remove the water at the bottom of the ocean
Letting the days go by
Let the water hold me down
Letting the days go by
Water flowing underground
Into the blue again
Into the silent water
Under the rocks and stones
There is water underground
[snip]
Songwriters: BYRNE, DAVID/FRANTZ, CHRISTOPHER/WEYMOUTH, TINA/HARRISON, JERRY/ENO, BRIAN PETER GEORGE
[This is too long and it also looks like copyrighted material. So quoting the full text of the song may be a copyright violation. I’ve cut down the size to avoid both problems. Sorry.] AZ
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So this is today’s little grab bag of confuscation, Jo…
” solar wind, cosmic rays, solar magnetic effects, spectral changes, and lunar tidal effects on ENSO patterns”
It is all so sadly desperate.
You might have said that models don’t agree with…
“The models not only fail on global decadal scales, but on regional, local, short term, [1] [2], polar[3], and upper tropospheric scales[4] [5] too. They fail on humidity[6], rainfall[7], drought [8] and they fail on clouds [9]. The hot spot is missing, the major feedbacks are not amplifying the effect of CO2 as assumed.”
…but your saying it does not make anything true.
I took a look at [6] as this is the central area of climate change and found a paper that is talking about understanding where models deviate from the measurements over time. The paper goes to great length to stress that there is a huge amount of work to be done to bring measurements into a standard where real evaluation can take place. The areas where models differ are at high altitudes ie 24,000 feet where the temperature is minus 32 degrees C and the air pressure is 6 PSI (ie very thin and the moisture carrying capacity is virtually zero). At ground level though, 3000 feet where the temperature is 9 C and the air is very dense the models agree very well and the evidence supports the models showing a large increase in atmospheric moisture in concert with atmospheric temperature increase. In real terms the degree deviation of the models is very small.
It is one thing to text scan papers scouring for negative words and down-pointy graphs, it is another to understand what the information is telling you. And what all of the information is saying is “rapid heating, real mess”, not at all what you want to hear, for your “skeptical” purpose. The fact is though, Jo, that this blog, and others like it are giving skepticism new attributes of being “dull headed”, perpetually negative, abusive, and vacuous.
[“…and found a paper that is talking about understanding where models deviate from the measurements over time. The paper goes to great length to stress that there is a huge amount of work to be done to bring measurements into a standard where real evaluation can take place.” quote BilB
We would love to see the paper but you provide no link.] AZ
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So, BilB,
Don’t you think that we might wait for that huge amount of work to be completed before we commit ourselves to massive expenditure to mitigate against something we don’t fully understand?
Don’t you think “real evaluation” might just be a roundabout way of saying that they have to tweak the figures until they get the results they want?
Just how much failure can models specifically, and climatology generally take before its proponents acknowledge it?
Would you also agree that extraordinary claims such as CAGW, and the trillions of dollars advocated to expend upon it, require and in fact demand extraordinary evidence?
Don’t you think “rapid warming, real mess” at least requires some demonstrable rapid warming, rather than temperatures failing to rise statistically above zero for nearly two decades?
But of even more interest to me is:
Why are you so desperate to believe in CAGW anyway? Does it fill some in built void or fulfil some desperate need for validation?
Will you need trauma counselling if you find out the world is actually not in peril, that global temperatures are not rising catastrophically, and that we are all not going to hell in a hand basket?
I think it is you who are flailing about, adrift in a veritable ocean of cognitive dissonance, hoping for a disaster that is never going to happen. I pity you.
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Winston
I this enough for you?
May 2015 was
* The warmest May on record globally
* The warmest May on record on land
* The warmest May on record on the oceans
* The warmest May on record in the Northern Hemisphere
* The warmest May on record in the Southern Hemisphere
Also, the warmest March-May, Jan-May and (I think) 12-month period in the record.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201505
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…and May 2015 was a very average May compared to the rest of the Holocene.
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And downright frigid compared to the surface of the sun. Very scientific, Jo.
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Meaningless.
Warmest compared to what?- the LIA?, the incredibly small timeframe we have records to compare, the incredibly large adjustments made to historical temperatures in a very patchy and “homogenised” record ( with adjustments that are often greater than the alleged deviation we are supposedly concerned about)?
That is a childish argument and typifies what is wrong with the alarmist position- cherrypicking short time frames, disparate data sets, adjusted and corrupted data and dishonest application of pseudoscience to confirm preconceived notions of reality. The truth will out, and heads will roll.
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BilB,
And then give us a link to the NCDC NOAA homogenized data?
Where have you been that you don’t yet know how much the raw data is changed by that climate clique?
http://jo.nova.s3.amazonaws.com/graph/temp/global/adjustments/ncdc20maturitydiagramsince200805171.gif
The NCDC adjusts their data, the actual temperature readings, to suit their political purpose. The purpose was publicly expressed by Figueres and the current US administration supports it. The fundamental restructuring of the world’s monetary/financial structure is the aim. The climate has nothing to do with anything.
Wake up!
Abe
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That…..
“The fundamental restructuring of the world’s monetary/financial structure is the aim”
…..happened in 2008 at the hands of your self regulating Libertarian mates in New York and London, Climate Change had nothing at all to do with it.
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BilB,
I’ll repeat my comment in simple English so that those of us who are slow will understand.
You’re claiming here in this quote that the most recent temperature measurements show that warming continues to increase to record highs. To back-up your claim you linked to the NCDC-NOAA web-site.
To which . . .
Which in plain English means that the information you provided as proof of your claim is false. To back-up my claim I linked to a graph that shows how much the NCDC-NOAA temperature measurements are false. The older temperature measurements are made colder and the newer temperature measuremets are made hotter.
By making these adjustments, the NCDC-NOAA climate clique, are trying to fool all of us into thinking that the world is getting hotter when, in reality, it is not.
This means that, once again in simple English, the reason for the temperature adjustments that show non-existent warming is not because the climate is changing, it’s not. The reason for these adjustments is to fool us into thinking that the world is warming at a dangerous pace so that we, the whole world, will accept the solutions being proposed to solve the problem.
The primary solution being proposed to solving the make-believe problem of global worm-ing is the complete and total control of CO2 production through a program that has been created and will be overseen by the UN.
But the UN spokes-person in charge of this process, c. figueres . . .
So. Clearly. By her own admisiion, the task at hand is not stopping the warming of the planet. We already know the planet is nt warming. The real task, as figueres has told us, is to transform the worlds economic development model.
Your comment, therefore, has absolutely no relevance to what you originally wrote, nor does it have any relevance to my response to what you originally wrote.
Please keep up. 😉
Abe
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Don’t you just love it when you see that ….. warmest/hottest ever attached to so many things.
The average every day person sees that and thinks phew, it must have been hot, thinking in terms of hot hot hot, like a monster heat wave.
However, let’s just pretend for a moment that those attached words after the words warmest/hottest ever are in fact actually, in even the tiniest most fleeting thought, true.
How much hotter were they Bilb?
Ten degrees C
Five degrees C
Or might they have been in the region of a hundredth of one degree C, and when people see that, they will see it for what it’s real worth is, just a mindless hyped scare campaign.
BilB, when you quote something like this, give us the whole story, otherwise, all you are doing is misleading the people you only wish to scare. (Oh, hang on that’s the general idea isn’t it.)
Tony.
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That is why there is a link there, Tony. The science is attached. The average temperature is what drives the weather. No sooner had Jo gloated on a “slow start” to the Cyclone season when we had a procession of them, two at a time, India roasted and Europe drowned. Weather, sum the steadily increasing cost. This is one take on that
http://www.nrdc.org/globalwarming/cost/contents.asp
suggesting a conservative 70 trillion dollar cost over 75 years in today’s dollar terms.
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So,
Weather events never happened before mankind’s intervention?
These events you refer to are normal, not unusual, par for the course events that have occurred in every decade of the Holocene, with no increase in frequency or severity. So, that being the case, how can you justify assuming thee events relate to human activity, let alone CO2, and keep a straight face?
The level of your personal delusion is the only unprecedented event found in your comment.
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I’ve had a quick look at various papers on the subject, Winston, and what you say, from what I am reading, is just plain wrong.
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BilB,
The very idea of adjusting the measurements, i.e. the data, to meet the pre-ordained/a-priori ‘standard’ required for ‘real evaluation’ is precisely the thing that’s wrong with the way post-modern pseudo-science is practiced.
Fix the data to meet the goal. The exact opposite of what science is all about.
The more you torture and molest the data, the more you’ll get the desired result. Homogenization of the raw remperature data comes to mind as the perfect example of moving the goal-post to score a point.
Humanity, for the most part, has left witch-craft and reading entrails behind. Why do you and your ilk want us to return to that?
Abe
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All instrumentation is relative and requires calibration, Abe. It is a bit sad that you don’t understand this, but then you are…just a guy.
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BilB,
No. You are wrong. Those thermometers that were used in the past, whether mercury or alcohol, do not require calibration. Especially when the climate clique ‘calibrates’ them 30, 50, and 100 years after the temperature measurements were made.
And even if we were to accept your confuscated statement, the real world, the world that these instruments are measuring, functions according to the laws of statistics as formulated by quantum electro-dynamics.
Therefore, if these so called ‘calibrations’ were done honestly, using proven, publicly available, scientific principles, then we would expect the ‘calibrations’ to be evenly distributed, some up, some down, over the entire history of the measurements that are being adjusted.
But that’s no what’s happening. The older the measurements, the colder the adjustments. The newer the measurements the hotter the adjustments.
So. Rather than seeing an evenly distributed, statistically accurate, distribution of up and down adjustments, what we see is . . . well . . . just non-sense.
See that? Even ‘just a guy’ can see through and explain the complete and utter non-sense that the CAGW climate clique is trying to shove down our throats in order to worm their way into our pockets and take as much of our hard-earned money as they can possibly get away with.
Abe
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No hope for you it seems, Abe, impervious to knowledge….. fiction over fact, an ideal Jonovian.
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BilB,
If you feel I’ve made a mistake in that comment, please feel free to correct me. I’m always willing to learn.
As it stands now, by offering nothing more than insults and base-less assertions, you prove what we all knew from the beginning.
When a CAGW adherent runs out of pseudo-science based rejoinders, they will invariably resort to insults. Thinly veiled or otherwise.
Thanks for that.
Abe
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No hope for you, BilB.
Once you ad hoc adjust data, it ceases to be data. You invoke “science” but your understanding of science and its methodology is tenuous at best, deceptive and dishonest at worst.
And, r evading the chain of comments, Abe has it all over you in intellect and logic, even if he is “just a guy”.
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*reading
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Winston,
Thanks for the compliment! I was already having fun. Now I’m also smiling. 🙂
Abe
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Abe, anyone who makes a comment such as
“Those thermometers that were used in the past, whether mercury or alcohol, do not require calibration”
Is clearly talking politics, not science. Here is a bit of a primer on the difficulties of temperature measuring “stuff”.
https://www.picotech.com/library/application-note/improving-the-accuracy-of-temperature-measurements
In the past thermometers have been calibrated against freezing and boiling water as this is a property that can be replicated anywhere in the world. But even that is a bit crude and susceptible to error. A thermometer made in Mexico city which is not corrected for altitude will be different to thermometers made in London, for instance. But that is only a small part of the subject.
Bluff, bluster, and highlighted text will not correct for your paucity of knowledge, Abe.
Elsewhere Jo said “what will it take to change your mind, BilB?”. The answer is a change in the physical make up of the universe that causes the elements to operate in a different way.
Science is not a matter of opinion. My opinion, or anyone elses, will not magically alter the way the way Global Warming is changing our climate.
The entire thrust of this blog is to convince people that all of the scientists in the world are wrong in every thing they do and a handful of self serving politicians are right in science fields where they have zero expertise. All in the misguided belief that this will somehow save money and reduce taxation. If you are prepared to swallow that line, Abe, then you are at risk just getting out of bed in the morning.
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Adding up the comment score for comment 25 grading: provocative PR; Informative I; Abusive A; Supported comment S; Unsupported comment U.
BilB PR 4, I 4, A 0, S 5, U 2
Others PR 10, I 0, A 1, S 0 U 9
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BilB,
Thank you for cherry picking my full comment and thereby taking it out of context.
What this means in plain English is this: You cannot calibrate an instrument now that was used for measuring temperatures in the past. Of course those thermometers required calibration. This was done before they were put into use, at the point of manufacture.
Now, unless you or anyone else can prove, document, or otherwise provide evidence that they were not calibrated before being placed in the field, then just go away, go away mad if you have to, but go away none-the-less.
Just-Kidding! Don’t go away, yet. I know for a fact that there are still two more oportunities for cherry-picking or otherwise ‘dismembering’ that comment. (I put them there! He. He.)
So, go ahead, please continue.
Abe
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“You cannot calibrate an instrument now that was used for measuring temperatures in the past”
Can, and do, Abe.
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Jo’s quote in a useable .jpg format: http://i.imgur.com/O0l14xK.jpg
I can supply it in a print-resolution (A4 landscape or bigger) if wanted (it’s vector-based, so will scale up to whatever size you need or want.
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Good God! With all the smoke that comes out of the exhaust of my old diesel jeep I may be personally responsible for every flood, drought and cyclone in the last 5 years.
Then again as all these things seem to be on the decline maybe my smoke is what is causing things to go in ways unpredicted by the climate models. They didn’t recon on 1 dirty old jeep when they tricked up their models 🙂
Sometimes you just have to laugh at this stuff.
I’ll make a prediction more accurate than any climate model and that is that as we get closer to December we will hear more and more hysterical predictions of doom from ever more loopy sources all designed to stampede jelly backed politicians into stupid commitments to change the weather in 2120.
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Only black international roast instant at Paris remember latte sippers.
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Jo, Since you raise the topic of research, any news about the Notch project?
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Jo, it’s not just us who need to hear what you have to say.
Over the weekend I saw a high school public speaking competition. A couple of the speakers referred to the urgent, desperate need to address climate change; profoundly ignorant there’s been none in their lifetime. None at least according to the most accurate measuring tools we have, the satellite measurements.
We need to extend the discussion to the ignorant as well as the informed. Even the fanatic faithful must be shown that they must defend their faith against inconvenient reality.
Despite the fact the old media is dying, it still reaches more of the alarmed than your blog does. Accordingly I ask you to forward each of your posts as ‘letters to the Editor’ in the old media, then record on here which if any of them post your comments. At worst, if they refuse to print them we can document bias where they refuse to print it. Ideally we can inform more than just our own in-group.
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It will be extremely hot forecast for western North America. The range of the jet stream shows brown and red area. The cold will be in the North Atlantic, northern Europe and Russia.
https://i0.wp.com/www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/stratosphere/strat_a_f/gif_files/gfs_t100_nh_f240.gif
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Historically one the most destabilizing factors leading to wars, has been international organizations such the League of Nations and the United Nations, as well as binding international treaties.
A stabilizing factor has actually been independent sovereignty among major nations, and hegemony exercised by super powers of the time.
A popular meme among academics is that wars are caused by involvement of democratic (and automobile driving) powers such as the US and the UK on the international scene and reducing the influence and power of such will reduce the risk of conflict. This is straight from cold war era Soviet propaganda. The actual data suggests the opposite. It is another case of fitting and falsifying data to fit the popular model.
I’m going go fire up my 5.0 liter gasoline 400 hp v8 powered sports car right now. I am not going to feel even a smidgen of guilt about it either.
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3.7L, V6, 325bhp.
Mine sounds more economical….
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Might be. As long you feel no guilt about driving it as much as you please, then I’m good. It is nothing to be ashamed of. It doesn’t affect the climate one iota, not even collectively. In fact it probably helps to grow the economy a little bit and that helps everyone, everywhere.
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Absolutely not. No shame and even less guilt. Unadulterated fun and equally rewarding to know that the fauna and flora have a better shot at flourishing.
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No blower, no turbo.
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A mere piker. 550hp supercharged V8 and not one smidgen of remorse.
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Fantabulous! I’ve always thought ‘supercharged’ sounded more exotic, so much ‘better’, particularly when Ian Fleming gets involved…as in, Casino Royale, Live and Let Die and Moonraker:
Model: 4½ Litre “Blower Bentley”
Manufacturer: Bentley
Production: 1929-1931
Engine: 4.4 L supercharged I4
Transmission: 4-speed manual
Power: 175 hp (130 kW) at 3,500 rpm
Top Speed: 137.96 mph (222.03 km/h)
Green verdict: NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
With apologies to Jo and thanking you for your forbearance.
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Very interesting difference in temperature in the North Pacific and the Atlantic. AMO index on a downward trend.
http://weather.gc.ca/saisons/animation_e.html?id=month&bc=sea
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Something is unstable allright. But it isn’t the region, any region, wherever it may be, at least not because of climate change.
I suspect the instability is within the thinking of the climate change alarmists who can’t distinguish what’s not happening in front of their eyes from what they imagine is happening in front of those same eyes.
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If at first you don’t succeed, try the same thing only with an even more scary scenario to sell. If no one bought the old scare, maybe they’ll buy an even more ridiculous version the next time around. Or maybe they’ll laugh even harder.
Color me laughing even harder.
If you watch Fox News you may have caught Dr. Roy Spencer on John Stossel’s program this past weekend discussing climate change alarmism with John. Dr. Spencer was calm cool and believable, unlike this garbage with its laughable histrionics Jo is reporting on.
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And by the way, I drive a Toyota Camry, one of the most common brands in the U.S. If cars caused war I would expect the U.S. to be at war with Japan.
Oh! Wait a minute. We already fought that war and it’s over. Japan won, having had the good sense to learn from us while we’ve spent the decades since then forgetting everything we ever knew about being an economic success.
There must be a lesson in there somewhere for those who can decipher it.
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The Japanese have W. Edwards Deming to thank for that.
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When one starts to look at the bizarre and nutty claims attributable to client change including shrinking babies the only person who gets portrayed as a nutter by the press is Maurice Newman for exposing the one world government push. The whole AGW scam would collapse without the complicit press.
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PM Abbott said last year that he will not stand for socialism masquerading as environmentalism.
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‘The whole AGW scam would collapse without the complicit press.’
That’s true, but thankfully we have the Murdocracy which is fair and balanced.
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The ‘toxic volcanoes‘ are at it again, in keeping with the machinations of UN focused central government, producing CO2 without ETS participation and seemingly, potentially killing people, according to the Government but not the local mayor. The Telegraph article fails to provide data regarding observed CO2 concentrations.
But there’s more………here’s the cognitive dissonance…
There is little doubt in my mind that UN central and the MSM are hysterically ramping up every potential, actual and imaginary climate related threat, the necessary props and mood setters for the Parisian extravaganza.
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SMH (parliament Live)
3:18pm: Meanwhile, in Senate question time, Greens co deputy leader Larissa Waters asked George Brandis (who represents the prime minister in Senate question time) about the Pope’s recent encyclical in which he calls for an urgent moral response to global warming.
…”42 per cent of the Abbott cabinet is Catholic including the Prime Minister himself,” Senator Waters said.
“The Prime Minister has failed to listen to scientists, will now he listen to the leader of his own Church and abandon his reckless attack on clean energy?”
Government senators were unimpressed.
Matt Canavan was forced to withdraw after calling Senator Waters a “bigot” while Barry O’Sullivan thought he would heckle Senator Waters about her marital status.
Senator Brandis’s response was: “I believe coal is very good for humanity indeed.”
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“Your car causes war! Feel the fear about Australia’s climate security.”
But maybe tomorrow there’ll be another side – like
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/06/22/naomi-oreskes-climate-activist-harvard-professor-hypocrite/
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Re #38
And like
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/22/the-bbcs-warning-from-850-new-york-lawmakers-is-a-ruse-by-10-democrats-from-bumblefk-usa/
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“Climate change will destabilise our region and undermine our way of life, yet we are doing nothing to prevent it.”
To whom is this great quote attributed, please?
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22 June: CarbonBrief: Robert McSweeney: Climate change attribution studies are asking the wrong questions, study says
(Trenberth, K.E. et al. (2015) Attribution of climate extreme events, Nature Climate Change, doi:10.1038/nclimate2657)
But a new paper says the methods used in many of these studies underestimate the influence of climate change, and suggests a new approach to identify the “true likelihood of human influence”…
But while scientists have been able to attribute events caused by temperature extremes, linking other extreme events like storms and heavy rainfall events has proved more difficult, says a new paper in Nature Climate Change…
But rather than analysing the wind patterns that bring a storm to an area, scientists should be looking at how the impact of that storm has been boosted by temperature changes – known as thermodynamic effects…
The paper highlights a few examples of where this approach could have been taken. One is the floods in Boulder in the US, which took 10 lives and caused over $2bn of damagein September 2013.
According to a study published in the latest Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society (BAMS) special issue on attribution, climate change did not contribute to the extreme five-day rainfall event that caused the floods.
But the authors of the new paper dispute this result…
Not all scientists agree that attribution studies need a change of focus.
Dr Peter Stott, who leads the Climate Monitoring and Attribution team at the Met Office and wasn’t involved in the paper, says we shouldn’t admit defeat and ignore the impacts of climate change on circulation patterns…
So it seems the discussions around how best to get across to the public how climate change is affecting extreme weather will rumble on for a bit longer. And what might seem like the simplest approach for communication purposes to some, others might see as a missed opportunity to communicate the most important progress in science.
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/06/climate-change-attribution-studies-asking-wrong-questions/
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present the evidence. Fairfax?
23 June: SMH: Mark Kenny/Lisa Cox: Climate change: Prime Minister Tony Abbott warming to bigger greenhouse cuts
The Abbott government is weighing tougher emissions reduction targets for the post-2020 period than conservatives in cabinet had wanted in a move that would restore Australia to the international mainstream on climate change policy and challenge the Prime Minister’s reputation as a global warming denier…
It comes a day after Fairfax Media launched its Climate For Change series, highlighting the renewed enthusiasm in Australia to addressing the threat of global warming…
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/un-climate-conference/climate-change-prime-minister-tony-abbott-warming-to-bigger-greenhouse-cuts-20150622-ghubqk.html
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21 June: The Age: Ian Dunlop: The Australian elites have fundamentally failed us on climate change
The recent utterances of Maurice Newman, chairman of the Prime Minister’s Business Advisory Council, suggesting that climate change is nothing more than an attempt to establish “a new world order under the UN”, engendered some hilarity…
(Ian Dunlop was formerly an international oil, gas and coal industry executive, chairman of the Australian Coal Association and CEO of the Australian Institute of Company Directors. He is a director of Australia21 and a Member of the Club of Rome)
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-australian-elites-have-fundamentally-failed-us-on-climate-change-20150621-ghsb9d.html
Wikipedia: Global Environment Facility
Today the GEF is the largest public funder of projects to improve the global environment…
The Global Environment Facility was established in October 1991 as a $1 billion pilot program in the World Bank to assist in the protection of the global environment and to promote environmental sustainable development…
The United Nations Development Programme, the United Nations Environment Program, and the World Bank were the three initial partners implementing GEF projects…
Climate change: Climate change from human-induced emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases (GHGs) is a critical global issue, requiring substantial action. These actions include investment to reduce emissions of greenhouse gases… https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Environment_Facility
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money, money, money:
18 June: Economic Times India: Reuters: Climate change projects in poorest nations lose out in battle for funds
The Least Developed Countries Fund (LDCF), which backs initiatives to adjust to climate shifts in around 50 poor nations, now has 29 projects that have been cleared but are in need of $215 million to put them into practice.
***Government officials and climate experts say no donors offered new money for the fund at an early June council meeting of the Global Environment Facility, which administers the fund…
The LDCF was established in 2001 under the U.N. climate convention to meet the special needs of the poorest countries in preparing and implementing national adaptation programmes.
As of April 2015, the fund had provided nearly $906 million to 49 countries for 161 projects. But its resources have run out…
In the past few years, around four-fifths of the money flowing from governments and development banks has gone to efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions – including through the use of renewable energy – leaving many adaptation projects starved of cash…
Of the $28 billion in climate finance committed in 2014 by six large multilateral development banks, 82 percent was dedicated to emissions mitigation projects, and just 18 percent to adaptation projects, the World Bank said this week.
“As the major channel of funding for adaptation, we are concerned to increase investment in resilience where support is urgently needed now (for) those who are most vulnerable,” Rachel Kyte, the World Bank’s special envoy for climate change, said…
When asked about contributing to the LDCF, rich governments point to the proliferation of international climate funds and the need to support the
fledgling Green Climate Fund (GCF), also set up under U.N. climate talks…
The Adaptation Fund – another product of U.N. talks created to help vulnerable communities in developing nations adapt to the negative effects of climate change – is seeking an additional $95 million by the end of the year to reach its fundraising goal of $160 million for 2014 and 2015…
The fund was meant to receive steady income from a levy on carbon trading under the U.N. Clean Development Mechanism.
But after the price of the carbon credits issued by emissions-cutting projects sank to near zero amid oversupply and uncertainty over demand, that revenue stream dried to a trickle, and the fund has had to go cap in hand to donors…
The board of the Adaptation Fund is exploring how it might collaborate with the Green Climate Fund in future, Levaggi said…
(Reporting by Megan Rowling,; editing by Laurie Goering and Alex Whiting; Please credit the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the charitable arm of Thomson Reuters, that covers humanitarian news, women’s rights, trafficking, corruption and climate change)
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/world-news/climate-change-projects-in-poorest-nations-lose-out-in-battle-for-funds/articleshow/47724991.cms
Swiss keep giving, despite the critics!
4 June: SwissInfo: Urs Geiser: Payment renewed for global environment projects
Parliament has agreed a credit of just under CHF148 million ($158 million) for international cooperation on environment issues.
Following approval by the House of Representatives, the Senate on Thursday came out in favour of continuing financial support mainly for the Global Environment Facility (GEF) over the next four years…
She said the renewed payment – the sixth since the creation of the GEF in 1991 – was in line with Switzerland’s environmental policy goals at an international level…
***However, critics argued many GEF projects were inefficient and Switzerland should cut back its contribution. They said other countries were reducing their share.
The GEF is a platform for international cooperation between more than 180 countries, international institutions, civil society and the private sector…
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/multilateral-fund_payment-renewed-for-global-environment-projects/41470606
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“The only thing the current models have proven is that whatever they predict, we should prepare for something different.”
That is going to be my slogan for a while.
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a new world order under the UN? how hilarious Ian Dunlop!
22 June: RTCC: Alex Pashley: Why should you care about the Sustainable Development Goals?
Revamped version of Millennium poverty-busting plan can protect the climate, but experts say it needs cash
Delegates meet in New York this week to hammer out revamped anti-poverty goals, that campaigners say could rival in significance 1948′s watershed UN Declaration of Human Rights.
The 17 Sustainable Development Goals will be signed off in September and take effect January, after a crunch meet in Ethiopia in July to secure donor funding.
They are a universal set of voluntary targets and indicators that over 190 UN member states will be expected to use to shape their agendas and policies over the next 15 years.
Swelling from the expiring Millennium Development Goals’ list of eight, the proposed goals take steps to fight climate change, end violence against women, and provide universal health coverage…
“We pledge that nobody will be left behind”, boomed the Zero Draft published in June. UN secretary-general Ban Ki Moon has tried to offer clarity around the goals’ purpose, listing the six “essential elements” as dignity, prosperity, justice, partnership, planet, and people.But for many, the post-2015 development agenda seems fuzzy – a disorienting product of years of UN summitry…
DOWNLOAD: Zero Draft – Sustainable Development Goals
To carry out their successors’ aims to the letter, the UN estimates that US$3.3-4.5 trillion will be needed a year in the developing world. With current investment at around $1.4tn, from government aid budgets to private sources of finance, that leaves a $2.5tn funding gap…
A report (LINK) by the Overseas Development Institute states that 30 countries will remain “chronic donors” through 2030, with another 30 aid dependent.
To bridge the gap, the world must cast off outmoded thinking of a coterie of rich countries providing the lion’s share of funding.
A richer developing world can play a larger part, by retaining higher tax takes for example.
Though the real transformation lies in investment opportunities as the world moves toward a low-carbon economy…
Financing green projects from new power grids to solar panels in Africa will cut carbon and provide returns.
***All investors from pensions to hedge funds had to transform their thinking, said Malloch-Brown (Lord Malloch-Brown, former head of the UN’s Development Programme).
“At present, pension funds typically limit their exposure to emerging markets to around 10%.
***You’ve got to blow the lid off that. It will be much safer world [for pension holders] to retire in if it’s deployed that way,” he said…
http://www.rtcc.org/2015/06/22/why-should-you-care-about-the-sustainable-development-goals/
***of course it would want to, Alister:
8 June: Reuters: Alister Doyle: Global Environment Facility
***wants to coordinate green supply chains
The Global Environment Facility, which has provided $13.5 billion in grants to developing nations since 1991, wants a wider role in protecting nature by tightening commodity supply chains from farmers to consumers…
The GEF, set up in 1991 as a World Bank pilot program, would be willing to help take on a wider coordinating role, she (Naoko Ishii, CEO, GEF) said…
A problem in international finance, she said, is that natural services, such as pollination by bees, coral reefs that are nurseries for fish or forests that help soak up carbon dioxide, are usually treated as free.
***”The next target is how to put economic value to this natural capital and how to link it up to the international institutions, capital markets,” she said.
She said she did not fear that the GEF would be overshadowed in future by the U.N.’s new Green Climate Fund, which has won almost $10 billion in pledges in recent weeks to help developing nations cope with climate change…
***A report by the London-based Overseas Development Institute on Monday, however, said there were too many multilateral climate funds with overlapping mandates.
“The climate finance architecture is too complex,” it said, “with insufficient resources spread thinly across many small funds with overlapping remits.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/12/08/us-climatechange-lima-fund-idUSKBN0JM1SM20141208
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‘Climate change is happening – that’s clear. It’s pretty obvious that the incidence of highly unpredictable weather events, massive storms and drought is increasing. We’re seeing so many hundred-year events in such short succession.’
Peter Doherty / SMH
I disagree with Peter on this.
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Which bit do you disagree with?
(a) Climate change is happening.
(b) incidence of storms, droughts*, etc., is increasing.
(c) “We’re seeing so many hundred-year events in such short succession”
As far as I can tell, (a) is always true. I have seen no evidence for (b). I agree with (c), and I think we are seeing more because we have much better media coverage. But seeing many in short succession doesn’t mean there are more happening.
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‘We’re seeing so many hundred-year events in such short succession.’
This is not happening.
‘…incidence of storms, droughts*, etc., is increasing.’
Complete rubbish.
‘Climate change is happening.’
Weather happens (its chaos out there) but climate just doesn’t happen, a 30 year time span is recognised as climate change.
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So you disagree with all of it.
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Pretty much.
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This is a trend, Germany has been cooling at 0.5 per decade over the past 28 years.
http://www.eike-klima-energie.eu/uploads/RTEmagicC_FruhlingSpaeter_02_txdam11015_688cb8.png.png
A year ago Jennifer Marohasy sounded a warning that there is a cooling trend across north-east Australia, but nobody listened. This is unfortunate.
So there is this paradigm in place and its our intention to replace it, a paradigm shift no less.
I think it unlikely that we’ll sit down with the warmists and have a rational conversation over CO2 sensitivity until the adjustment debacle is unraveled.
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Whatever the weather does and however the climate unfolds, the paradigm is a UN socio-political one, the one Christiana Figueres alluded to earlier this year. I have been thinking lately about the life span of urban myths and considering the nonsense spouted by the eugenicists from the late 19th century into the mid 20th, and the fact that it was recognised as scanty in the scientific sense as early as the 1900’s…yet it persisted in the turbulence of the early 20th century, persisting until it reached its grand, hideous crescendissimo in the Camps of the Holocaust, which took a cataclysmic global paroxysm to halt. What now then?
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“Some News from America , EPA and a CNN article”
Jo, just a little news I wanted to share…
After reading today’s CNN article on Climate change and the interview between CNN correspondent (John D. Sutter) and the EPA Administrator (Gina McCarthy)…
which focused on the role of the EPA in future GW regulations, I noticed
a comment concerning PM2.5 (Jo I know you also have written something on PM2.5 )
but first the link …
http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/22/opinions/sutter-epa-climate-cost/index.html
Anyway, after the PM2.5 debacle in which the EPA were “caught out” introducing a regulation that was based on what can only be described as “very shaky” science , the GOP introduce a new bill last year (2014) called The Secret Science Reform Act (HR4012).
It basically states the following;
The Secret Science Reform Act, would bar the agency from proposing or finalizing rules without first disclosing all “scientific and technical information” relied on to support its proposed action
This happened because the EPA admitted that they could not reproduce the data or scientific work that led them to implement the regulation on PM2.5
here is the link
http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/arnold-ahlert/the-epas-science-problem/
But what was astonishing or perhaps not so much now, becasue of the oversight currently in progress was the admission by the EPA of “real” wrong doing !
and yet following the admission there came an immediate defiant defense of their actions.
Incidentally in their report they claimed that any PM2.5 exposure could cause death in a matter of hours. a truly Amazing claim !
It seems these days, that with the CRU and UAE refusing to divulge data, and the BoM also being secretive , it is quite appropriate to request that governments should have the equivalent of the Secret Science Reform Act put in place.
just a thought 😀
I apologize for the link to the older EPA article, but I hope it illustrates the progress being made in tackling the EPA.
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how cosy:
30 May: RTCC: Global Environment Facility reveals WWF and IUCN alliance
By John Upton in Cancun
Two of the biggest names in the worldwide conservation movement are growing in power and influence.
When developing countries want to use money provided through international environmental treaties to carry out projects – such as helping farmers adapt to changes in the weather, or to monitor biodiversity – they will be able to call on the World Wildlife Fund or the International Union for the Conservation of Nature to manage the work.
Both groups are becoming official project agencies of the Global Environment Facility…
They are joining the likes of the World Bank, U.N. Food and Agriculture Organisation, and Asian Development Bank in helping to oversee billions of dollars in environmental spending made possible through contributions from richer countries.
The IUCN’s newfound powers were announced in Mexico on Sunday during GEF Council meetings…
The WWF became certified as a GEF project agency late last year…
As with the IUCN, the WWF had been working with GEF for years before being announced as an official project agency.Carter Roberts, the president of the WWF in the U.S., said the group has worked on more than 100 projects with the GEF.
But the group’s new certification, which followed an extensive vetting process, will help it raise that relationship to a new level..
http://www.rtcc.org/2014/05/30/global-environment-facility-reveals-wwf-and-iucn-alliance/
talk about incestuous.
Yolanda Kakabadse was president of the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) from 1996 to 2004 and, since January 2010, she has been president of the World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF).
Inger Andersen, Danish economist and environmentalist is Director-General of IUCN, the International Union for Conservation of Nature, but previously, she was Vice President for the Middle East and North Africa at the World Bank.
previous president of IUCN:
Ashok Khosla, Co-President at Club of Rome
President, International Union for Conservation of Nature – IUCN 2008 – 2012
Member, Board of Trustees WWF International 1992 – 1999
Facuty Member and Resident Tutor Harvard University 1962 – 1971
From 1965 to 1970, as Teaching Fellow in the first university course anywhere on the environment, entitled Natural Sciences 118: Population, Resources and the Environment assisted Professor Roger Revelle in designing and teaching the course, whose students included Al Gore.
current IUCN President. an outsider welcomed into the fold!
ZHANG Xinsheng, Chinese politician, is the current Vice-minister of the Ministry of Education of the People’s Republic of China, and the Vice-president of the Chinese Olympic Committee…
On 24 Oct 2005, Zhang became the Chairman of UNESCO’s Executive Board…
In 2007, he was re-elected as the Vice-president of FISU (International University Sports Federation). In 2012, he was elected President of IUCN, the International Union for Conservation of Nature.
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btw all WWF/IUCN bio info from Wikipedia & LinkedIn.
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ABC RN this morning around 9.00 am climate change mentioned for morning discussion and a news item too. I laughed at the presenter mentioning that “floods, droughts and heat waves” were an increasing threat.
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and these orgs get to play with billions of $$$ of CAGW money from taxpayers around the globe!
2010: WUWT: Anthony Watts: The scandal deepens – IPCC AR4 riddled with non peer reviewed WWF papers
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/24/the-scandal-deepens-ipcc-ar4-riddled-with-non-peer-reviewed-wwf-papers/
2015: WUWT: IUCN Polar Bear Specialist Group out-lived its usefulness 20 years ago
Guest essay by Dr. Susan Crockford, Zoologist
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/01/01/iucn-polar-bear-specialist-group-out-lived-its-usefulness-20-years-ago/
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23 June: UK Daily Mail: Ellie Zolfagharifard: Earth’s protective shield is weakening: Trio of Swarm satellites could reveal how fast the planet’s magnetic field is fading
Swarm measures different magnetic signals from Earth’s magnetosphere
Scientists claim the magnetosphere – our protective shield – is weakening
This can allow harmful solar radiation to penetrate planet’s atmosphere
The initial results from Swarm are due to be presented at a conference on 22 June to 2 July in Prague, Czech Republic
WHAT COULD HAPPEN IF OUR MAGNETOSPHERE CONTINUES TO WEAKEN?
The magnetosphere protects the Earth from solar radiation.
If it weakens dramatically, radiation at ground level would increase with some estimates suggesting that overall exposure to cosmic radiation would double causing more deaths from cancer.
The Electric grid collapse from severe solar storms is a major risk.
***As the magnetic field continues to weaken, scientists are highlighting the importance off-the grid energy systems using renewable energy sources to protect the Earth against a black out…
***The Earth’s climate could also change…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3135080/Earth-s-protective-shied-weakening-Trio-Swarm-satellites-set-reveal-fast-planet-s-magnetic-field-fading.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490
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Perhaps i missed it — but am i the first person to mention “Road Warrior”?
Australia, cars, war — means “Road Warrior” to most of the world.
Eugene WR Gallun
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The Climate Models
This one from Jo is quite damning … more so because the work on perfecting the Climate Models has been going on for decades, 25 years and counting…
If you look inside the strange world of these Climate Models (GISS) you do not see anything out of the ordinary. They actually look like any other software application, except for the intensely mathematical functions solving 4th order differential equations ad nauseam.
But to be realistic and fair to the climate modelers , being asked to simulate real world physical behavior in a computer by using classical numerical computational methods (developed in the 70s) is maybe asking too much.
This maybe a job for those genius 10 year old kid 3D games programmers who already know how to perform dot product matrix calculations, and who calculate normals to surfaces, all whilst eating their cheerios. 😮
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In a previous job, we had a computer model that simulated noise in electronic systems caused by random electron impacts.
The climate models seem eerily familiar to me.
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Rereke
This is good point and looking at the GISS ( ModelE V3.0) , it can be seen that great effort is made in modeling and controlling the thermodynamic “noise” in the system.
The Climate Model uses a special form of calculus “Stochastic calculus” with its own rules to model Brownian motion ( Weiner process), and that process is used in the analysis of a white noise which is useful as a model of noise in electronics engineering.
Note: in Stochastic calculus there are two dominating versions, the Kiyoshi Itō stochastic calculus and the Stratonovich stochastic calculus. Each of the two has advantages and disadvantages.
(I assume that both are used depending on which more closely matches the required behavior)
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The current models from political Climate Clowns, or the adjunct, Climate Buffoons (meteorologists)
Is nothing but a scam!
The actual computational fluid dynamics on huge computers by others, cannot predict this physical next! They do however allow the understanding of what may be and some cause of what ever was measured in the past! That whole thing is frightful with many “aw s**ts” coming from every direction. Trust those that admit “I do not know”, never those that have the “truth” from their belief in some sort if religion!
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Will,
I agree, but I think that we should admire those attempting to try and model something so complex as the Earth’s climate.
However when it comes to the IPCC and predicting the future. The whole “climate thing” moved into the realms of fantasy when the politicians got involved.
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Has anyone generated a model not based on CO2 as a factor?
I bet the results would be very close to observed data.
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But if it is not co2 driven it is pretty much useless as a vehicle for the fundamental transformation of the world economy.
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James,
honestly, I do not know, but within the GISS ModelE one can easily see the percentage of processes (there are some exceptions) relating to each particular influence e.g. radiation, hydrology, thermodynamics… and thus perhaps the importance that is attached in modeling that particular influence on the climate.
An audit of this Climate Model’s (Model II –> ModelE) evolution would reveal much.
Your last point about would a less biased climate model produce results that are closer to observed, is a very good question, and it is probably safe to say that there are Computer Models that try to model much smaller systems in terms of complexity, but with only limited accuracy.
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From the report in question:”The Centre for Policy Development (CPD) is an independent, non-partisan and evidencebased
policy institute”.
One cannot help but wonder which non-partisan selected the evidence for them.
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Jo,
O/T but it has to do with news reporting
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2015/06/your-moral-and-294.html#comments
And the link!!!
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O/T – apologies.
History of Eugenics
While eugenics persisted until the end of WWII, more than 30 yrs before its demise, it was recognised that its basis was inadequate to pursue legislation.
Plucking numbers out of the air, it could take 60 yrs for the climate meme to implode, though one hopes not after a major conflagration. Money on 2040 ± 5 yrs
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Actually, Eugenics is still around, still being practiced by quite a few doctors. They just hide it under other labels now. 2 Years ago in Germany, an international medical conference came out in favour of withholding care from children who are disabled (mentally, developmentally and physically).
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Pat above mentions the global warming tirade launched this week in the left leaning Sydney Morning Herald – all part of the hype buildup to the 2015 Paris climate “talks”. The SMH is as usual playing to its inner city centric readership – think NYT for US readers or the Guardian for UK. Linked below is a current article by SMH environment editor Ben Cubby. Any reasonably well informed climate sceptic can pick apart Ben’s 8 “facts – these basic “facts” turn out to be anything but. I guess this is the “quality” of journalism we have come to expect in the MSM.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/un-climate-conference/climate-change-q–a-basic-facts-about-common-misconceptions-20150622-ghtuh7
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Cookster,
How true. Every one of these have been successfully, and categorically refuted here on this site and don’t amount to anything more than pure propaganda. Pravda would’ve been proud.
Abe
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While we’re talking cars, how’s this for an immense floperoonie.
A $108,000 Tesla was driven from Devonport to Hobart on a single charge.
Hey, that’s great.
However, there was nowhere in Hobart that had a charging facility for the car.
So, they, umm, loaded it onto the back of a gas guzzling truck for the trip back to Devonport, and I suppose then they pushed it onto the boat for the trip back to Melbourne.
Oh dear!
Tasmanian Labor spent most of the day spruiking electric cars in Hobart.
Tony.
Link to ABC article
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That’s really interesting Tony, speaking of which did you see the story this morning about the 20 or so ICE vehicles that broke down on the same section of the M4 in NSW this morning because they couldn’t handle a bit of water in their fuel systems.
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Question for you knowledgeable commenters here: heat is exchanged between molecules in the atmosphere by kinetic collisions. This applies to the CO2 molecule. Why doesn’t the CO2 molecule also warm up? After all this is how heat is transferred from a hot rocky surface to the atmosphere and it is termed CONDUCTION. Also heat is vibration. The CO2 molecule, while taking part in the normal kinetic dance must also vibrate proportional to the local air temperature thus making it TOO WARM to absorb radiation from the surface but the CO2 molecule will still radiate over the 13 to 17 micron band. This is not ‘backradiation’ just normal radiation cooling the atmosphere. What reaches the surface can’t warm the surface but it does slightly DELAY THE RATE OF COOLING of the surface but only over the 13 to 17 micron band which constitutes just 18% of the total radiation from the surface when the temperature is 15C (288K).
Any link to explanstions for or against appreciated.
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