The Reef took 6000 years to form. Suddenly it is bleached white, but the media are not putting it on page one. Oh the gnashing of teeth!
Peter Hartcher Sydney Morning Herald –– Tony Abbotts Harmful Legacy
‘…the news of its most severe bleaching didn’t even rate in the top five news topics.
‘Why? “It’s only a hypothesis, but I think there’s been a peaking of interest or concern” in matters related to climate change [says iSentia’s Patrick Baume.]
Peak Climate? Yes, please…
“It’s seen as something a bit from the past, as if getting rid of the carbon tax meant we’d got rid of climate change. It’s a funny one.”
Or maybe people are bored of climate ghost stories? Maybe people realized climate change is always here.
The reef survived the Holocene Horrible Warming Period. (Formerly called The Holocene Optimum đ ). Things were even hotter then and seas around Queensland were 1 – 2 whole meters higher. Apocalyptic stuff, yet somehow the reef made it without a single carbon trading scheme.
The last 8000 years of sea levels off Queensland
 Source: S Lewis et al Quaternary Science Reviews 2012.
Now tide gauges show seas are rising at 1mm a year. (See this sea level study too — 1mm). There’s only 1000 years to go to get back to the sea levels the Great Barrier Reef already knew for thousands of years.
There are no ice cores available in Queensland, but there are in Greenland and we can see the weather did a lot of changing. These are the same years the Great Barrier Reef formed and thrived in its current incarnation. Current temps might be similar to the Medieval spike. Not unprecedented.
This is what the temperature in Greenland was doing while the Great Barrier Reef formed.
Who gets the credit for this outbreak of climate-calmness?
This is partly an achievement of Tony Abbott and the climate change sceptics and deniers who were among his most fervent supporters.
We all say thank you :- )
Australia had a bipartisan consensus on climate change under John Howard, Kevin Rudd, Brendan Nelson and Malcolm Turnbull. The consensus was that climate change was real and that pricing carbon through an emissions trading scheme was the best way  for Australia  to respond.
Bollocks. “Australia” never had a consensus. The academic-eco-elite had a consensus:
Abbott shattered the consensus. He rode to power a conservative reaction against climate change action. He used it to destroy Turnbull’s leadership and then Rudd’s and, finally, Julia Gillard’s.
Exactly — the voters choose the man who offered them what they wanted — quote, Hartcher:Â “a reaction against climate change action.”
Together with his footsoldiers in politics and the media, he succeeded in muddying the public’s understanding of climate change in the process. The conservative reaction intimidated some scientists, news editors and commentators.
Yes the ABC is quaking in their boots, interviewing skeptics every day, week, once a year. And the commentators bravely arguing for the exact same position as the small oppressed groups called the UN, World Bank, and EU are so intimidated they stopped calling people petty names —Â denier… oh wait.
Which part of the public’s understanding got muddier, exactly?
REFERENCE:
Lewis, S.E., et al., Post-glacial sea-level changes around the Australian margin: a review, Quaternary Science
Reviews (2012), http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.quascirev.2012.09.006 [abstract] (paywalled).
Oh, don’t be silly. Obviously the sub-continent called Australia is really floating, so tidal data are irrelevant!
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Can’t wait for the poles to flip so Southern states get go at that missing heat called the Equator….. đ
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It’s a magnetic polarity flip, not planetary pole of mass rotation that flips. The rotation axis does not move. And there’s no discernible schedule for when earth’s magnetic polarity flips, if someone claims its due for a flip, it’s just as accurate to say it isn’t. Last 5 million years of Earth magnetic polarity reversals.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/Geomagnetic_late_cenozoic.png/240px-Geomagnetic_late_cenozoic.png
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I meant that if we (AUS) were floating our top end acts as magnetic north and would follow the change in polarity.
Its silly really but more believable than CAGW. đ
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oh geez … lol … sorry Yonnie, that blew right over my head. đ
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A US Congressman called Elijah Cummings actually did suggest that increasing the military presence on Guam could cause the island to capsize. If that happens to Australia, it’s bad news for the end that ditches into the ocean – and probably not much better for the end that is suddenly higher than the Himalayas, for that matter. You Aussies should start building a safe haven in Alice Springs, while there is still time.
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The flip side might have some good dirt but.
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So that’s why there is so much sea level rise on the east coast, all the people and their building here are tilting up Australia, Jo, watch out for that telltale sea level fall as Perth gets flipped over the pacific into South America
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Actually bobl, what will happen is that both the east coast and Perth will dip into the sea, and continental Australia will bend in the middle, maybe even crack.
Same with Darwin and Adelaide.
I have proof that this is already happening.
Every time I look at a map, there are some very distinct, remarkably straight crack lines already forming !!
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Oh, thanks. Just when I invest my entire life’s savings into central Australian real estate (“Get ’em now – one way or the other, they’ll soon be gone!”), you blow it for me.
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Just so long as you don’t build on one of those cracks… you should be ok !
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So many wisecracks and its still only early in the week!
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You’re a Crack-up Andy!
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I’m with Bjorn Lomborg on this one
http://www.realclimate.org/images//Bjorn_Lomborg_Sea_Level_Rise.png
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Sydney harbour doesn’t show anywhere near the rise shown in the graph.
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http://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_global_station.htm;jsessionid=8B7AE9A403A36B69AF16034B434FE887?stnid=680-140
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0.65mm/year
SCARY !!!!!
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Actually, I am wrong.
Measurements at Sydney between 2005 and 2014 show the tide gauge site is sinking at a rate of 0.49mm/yr, leaving just 0.16mm/yr of the overall relative rise as representing global sea-level change.
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So if you made a trend line from 1886 to 1950 the trend would have a negative slope? And the small rise was in the past 60 years since 1950, but this follows a prior slow fall for about 60 years?
“0.21 feet in 100 years”, they say.
0.21 ft = 64 mm = 2.52 inches ………. /laughs like Eddie-Murphy
We may to have to wear some re-issue David Bowie silver platform shoes from here.
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“So if you made a trend line from 1886 to 1950 the trend would have a negative slope”
No, I suspect that Fort Denison has been very very slowly subsiding for a lot longer than that.
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ps.. half a mm/year is something pretty hard to detect.
I know a bit about surveying, and working with that sort of accuracy, even with land based equipment, requires very precise workmanship and multiple procedures.
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Think about it.. subsidence, relative to ‘where’?
FD is out in the middle of the harbour !
And how do you know the place you are measuring from isn’t moving as well.
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It is worse if you say that the sea level is rising by 160 Microns/year
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Interesting chart. I note that the “mean” sea level for all locations on earth is about 75mm over 22 years.
However, after everything I’ve read in the last several years, I’d have to ask is there ANY location on earth that has had a sea level rise of 75mm or better?
I’m betting there isn’t even one location, let alone it being the mean global sea level rise.
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Yeah, pretty funny isn’t it.
poor climatenonskeptic probably thinks its real because it came from “realclimate”.
He really is marking himself as the standard near-zero-knowledge alarmist troll.
The mean global sea level rise from tide gauges is around 1-4mm/year to 1.8mm/year
PANIC TIME….. not !
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typo… second last line… should read 1.4mm/year
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NASA has a new portal on SLR.
https://sealevel.nasa.gov/
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No tide gauge data? (only had a quick look)
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Yeah its a modelling exercise.
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Was watching a decent doco on Netflix at lunch, about the construction on the old Twin Towers site. Interesting to note that the original construction required a perimeter wall of reinforced concrete going down 7m with bolts anchoring it to the bedrock. This to keep out water because the base was below the water line. A fair chunk of the southern end of Manhattan is reclaimed from the ocean/river. Quite miraculous given the “alarming” rate at which the sea level has been rising (in computer models).
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based on climate models, no doubt đ
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“so tidal data are irrelevant!:
And the tide of nutrient runoff from agriculture is irrelevant. I won’t even cover herbicide runoff. Maybe i will in another post one day.
http://www.aims.gov.au/docs/research/water-quality/runoff/impact-of-runoff.html
http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/managing-the-reef/how-the-reefs-managed/water-quality-in-the-great-barrier-reef
http://www.gbrmpa.gov.au/managing-the-reef/threats-to-the-reef/declining-water-quality
http://www.reefplan.qld.gov.au/about/scientific-consensus-statement/sources-of-pollutants/
http://www.crikey.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Brodie-et-al-in-press-a.pdf
http://www.environment.gov.au/water/wetlands/wetlands-programs/queensland-wetlands-program/great
http://www.ecosmagazine.com/?paper=EC13197
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It would appear even dumb voters aren’t interested what peak stupid looks like, but it’s irrelevant to politicians as I remember a *cough* conservative one recently stating “we don’t matter”.
#evildenierlivesmatter.
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I am not sure how many trillions of swimming offspring the corals of the Great Barrief Reef pump out into the ocean every year, but these little fellows are always quick to recolonise the bleached areas.
This is a process which has been happening for hundreds of millions of years. So, the occasional coral bleaching is no big deal, likewise the polar bears are thriving – except, of course, in the wacky, unreal world of climate alarmism, where just about anything goes.
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Ah, Tony Abbott, the all-powerful. !!
Still living rent free in the empty brains of the ABC self-elite.
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… and in the mental void that is the Fairfax press.
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Andy
This ought to help keep that going
“Newspoll: Labor leads Turnbull Government”
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/newspoll_labor_leads_turnbull_government/
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Yep, I saw that earlier. Had a good chuckle. đ
You watch Turnbull go into panic mode now, and get even more irrational and egotistical.
When he usurped the PM from TA, I emailed him saying that the people would never elect him as Prime Minister.
Looks like I might have been right.
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Yes, I think so, if Turnbull got a poll bounce it was due to Labor/Greens voters who will never vote liberal anyway. Real conservatives are left disenfranchised without a voice. The vote will split, particularly in the Senate where there are alternatives – punishment votes via the ALA and other semi-conservative options like One Nation (One Nation is probably more Extreme Socialism with a few conservative bits thrown in). Turnbull is the ALA’s best friend. Ironically the voting changes in the senate give the people MORE power in that we can direct preferences without numbering 127 boxes. It means more people will cast a protest vote. I have to say though reading Bolt’s latest article gives me hope, one by one the treacherous subset of the lib parliamentary cohort are either resigning or being successfully challenged in preselection by conservatives as it seems another grassroots revolt, like the last time Chairman Mal was ejected is playing out. My guess is that even if he was to win an election Turnbull will not have the numbers after the election to be PM.
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A Scottish King – John Baillol – who was appointed by a small group of nobles, almost by default, became known by the nick-name of “Toom Tabard” – old Scots for “empty coat” as he was virtually impotent as a ruler. He was eventually deposed and exiled in France. What goes around comes around! Malcolm Toom Tabard has a ring to it, does it not?
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“My guess is that even if he was to win an election Turnbull will not have the numbers after the election to be PM.”
And guess who is waiting patiently on the back seats.
Doing very well at foreign affairs comments too.
Maybe not as PM, but as Julie Bishop’s replacement. đ
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Everyone’s entitled to be right once in their life, Andy.
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“Everyoneâs entitled to be right once in their life”
You will be waiting a long, long time for your turn.
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I think I’ve made this comment before..
The ideal scenario:
1. Labor win by a tiny majority.. Turnbull, Bishop forced to resign from parliament
2. but ALA and the conservatives hold the balance in the Senate so none of Shorten’s childish and naĂŻve plans can get through.
3. A real conservative in as Liberal leader.. let’s make it Tony Abbott to really invade the ABC/Fairfax headvoid.
4. New elections to break deadlock… Liberals win by landslide again.
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I am pinning hope on the ALA doing well in senate voting;it is imperative in my view that a strong conservative representation is needed in the upper house.Still, I do not wish to contemplate another term of Labor so soon after Rudd/Gillard.
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Tony Abbott??? Del Con alert!
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We will see.
I know he scares the carp out of you far lefties.
Care to remind us all what the percentage vote was at the last full poll? đ
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And you do realise you just got trolled BIG TIME. !
I knew what the mere mention of TA would do…
Always the same effect on the far left twerp.
Come waffling again next round, bozo ! đ
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You mean you did this just for me Andy. You dog. Call me more names, Andy. Let’s be bad together.
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little fish took hook, line and sinker. đ
and no, just for any wayward far-left bozo that happened to be passing by.
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And poor little fishy is still dangling helplessly on the line…
… cannot escape. đ
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Do that little ’emoticon’ thing again, Andy. DO IT! (Swoon).
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“on the far left twerp”
“You mean you did this just for me”
Ahh! you recognised yourself.
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Bozo? …Little fishy.? Come on Andy, more! Call me pathetic. DO IT! Give it to me! Make me an emoji! (Swoon)
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Just for the international readers, ‘Del Con; Meaning ‘Deluded Conservative’. First coined By conservative commentator Miranda Divine to describe a small group of conservatives who believe Tony Abbott will make a come back as Prime Minister of Australia. ‘Del Con’.
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Miranda still loves Malcolm. Says much about her common sense.
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Ross,
you’re new here. (We can tell.)
Commenters like you come and go here, so we know the type.
You don’t want to contribute anything, just kibitz.
You have this certain attitude that all of those like you have. You think you are morally superior to us, talk down at us, and generally just sneer, as if you are the font of the true knowledge. You don’t come here to learn anything new, because, well, you already know it all.
You don’t question anything at all, because it might add a chink to your belief structure.
We see people like you, and I’ve (almost) got to the stage now where I won’t engage, but I do note with this one comment how quickly you have outed yourself, as most of you usually do.
So, you’ve based everything you believe in, not on the science, not on the engineering, not on the maths, not on the ability to question, but solely on a political point of view. Whatever the side of politics you believe, then that’s all you want to hear.
You need to bugger off now. There’s nothing new for you here. You’ll go away satisfied that you think you had some fun at our expense. Politics. That’s all you have.
Tony.
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Buzz off TonyofOz. I’m Andys’ guy. I don’t do threesomes. If you want a free ride, go to wattsupwithtat.
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Only Andy can scare the ‘carp’ out of me. And I love it.
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That’s terrific, but on the question of the post. There is a strong correlation with SLR and the Industrial Revolution.
http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/caryl_Level4.gif
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And CO2?
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That’s just a coincidence, thermal expansion is the more likely culprit.
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On further research it seems thermal expansion can only account for a quarter of SLR, so perhaps glacial rebound is another part of the equation.
With linear trends it depends on the start finish dates to get a good fit, imagine a 60 year cycle.
https://climategrog.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/warming-cosine.png
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I recall seeing some old Chinese tide records that may have indicated a 300-350 cycle.
Certainly there seems to be various cycles around the globe.
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c01b7c7fadafb970b-pi
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/sea-level-variations-in-japan.jpg
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CO2… No !
http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c01538fd8ee3b970b-pi
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Certainly, since there is NO acceleration of sea level change, there is NO CO2 signature in sea level data.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/douglas-update_htm_ef9a71a.jpg
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Just like, because the ONLY major warming in the satellite data has been from solar/cloud force El Nino events……
There is NO CO2 WARMING SIGNATURE in the satellite temperature data
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Good work Andy.
My client CO2 can now leave the court a free molecule.
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Yeah Ross you’re a 20 something type or you’ve worked for the public service all your life.
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With his obvious penchant for older men…
….one can only imagine what sort of public service.
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There are only two main issues on which Malcolm Turnbull can differentiate himself from Shorten… (neither is in the least bit interested in solving the economic issues)
1. Maintain the plebiscite on same gender marriage.
2. Ensuring that there will be NO CARBON PRICE of any sort.
If he doesn’t do BOTH of these, he will not get the votes of many ex-Liberal voters.
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Labor leads turnbull govt?
Yes we already knew there was no difference between the two parties…..he he
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The figures are well within the error margin.
Given his performance and that of the shadow Treasurer electing Shorten to power, with or without Green allies, would be a disaster for Australia. Turnbull would be less of a problem in that any attempt to introduce a ETS would provoke a revolt by the Nationals and some conservative members. An ETS would get through the lower house with Labor support, but the Senate would be a different matter as the Greens would hold out for even more, as they usually do after any concession, and the Coalition Senators would be more independent and responsive to public opinion.
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Nevertheless, Turnbull MUST be nailed down to a promise of no ETS, no price on carbon.. etc BEFORE the election.
An absolute commitment NOT to introduce any sort of carbon price could be the only thing that would bring Lib voters back to the fold.
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I for one will never reward the”Turdbull”led Libs,with my vote.You never reward “Traitors”Not ever.
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I’m in a pretty safe Labor seat, can’t see that changing.
Will just put a big cross right across the HOR ballot, and probably ALA in the Senate.
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Andy
Red thumbs on that relay of news!
Do we now have Liberal red thumbers?
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I suspect its only one person, who has bothered to find a way to get around the cookie that allows only one thumb click.
I mean, they can’t all be that cowardly or dumb that they can’t comment… can they ???
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Oh goody! A Guessing game. Let me see, what kind of an initial guess should I make? Oh! I know â could what got muddier be the part that depended on constantly crying, “Wolf, wolf, wolf!” all the time when no wolf ever materialized? That does tend to bore the unwashed masses right into not noticing your next cry of, “Wolf!”
Oh I do hope that turns out to be the winning guess. đ
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Actually what I’d really like is something or someone to put a hole so big in the hull of this climate change boat that not even every last believer frantically bailing out the water could stop it from sinking. I’d say the deepest part of the Mariana Trench, the Challenger Deep at 11,034 metres (36,201 feet) down would be the right spot for the event. We could sell tickets for seats on observer ships, sell candy, popcorn, peanuts and soft drinks (or harder stuff if you prefer) and maybe recoup a few of the dollars wasted on this madness. And of course the observers would be able to certify the sinking to a world very weary from all this alarmism. And it would be pretty close to home for you Aussies so I’d expect a large turnout.
I wonder though, would even 36,201 feet between climate change and the light of day be enough knock it off permanently.
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Amazing fact I didn’t know until I looked up the Mariana Trench to get its depth: at the bottom the water is compressed to about 95% of its surface volume, a compression of 4.96% under the weight of the water above it. I cannot get my head around the magnitude forces capable of doing that.
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Water cannot be compressed.
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Anything can be compressed, the Universe or a single atom. Compression is caused by a lack of vibration/motion as the “temperature” is reduced or gravity. At absolute zero very large potential can be stored. The smallest amount of motion of such an object can cause a violent expansion. A standing wave between two such objects can result in absolute zero at the nulls and extreme temperatures at the peaks.
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I think we havent even scratched the surface on what water can do as an energy storage medium….
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Personally it is two gases, so separate them easily. Restore it by combustion. Gases would be a great way to store energy, without using carbon. It was an idea I had for storing electricity, if you had two compressors.
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I have never heard of this atomic compression, even by gravity. The gravity is massive in gas giants like Jupiter, Saturn and Neptune, but they still have reasonable densities, about that of aluminum even though they are largely hydrogen. They share electrons like a metal, but I still doubt the atoms themselves are compressed, simply closer together. As for absolute zero, the atom does not stop at any temperature, just the vibration of the atom against its neighbours. Internally it is not an orbital system, so movement is irrelevant. What is the form of this wave which can produce standing waves? In what medium and involving which forces? How is this extreme temperature produced and measured or exhibited? Puzzled.
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even google disagrees with you
http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae15.cfm
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Backslider,
It might surprise you then to hear that the Manhattan Project had to come up with a way to compress the fissionable material because it was not dense enough to achieve the explosive chain reaction needed. And if it could have been dense enough then it would have gone off immediately â oops! Both uranium and plutonium are already far more dense than water and more difficult to compress (both type bombs were made). Yet they achieved it. It was probably the most difficult problem the Manhattan Project had to solve.
With sufficient force anything compresses. And with due respect to Geoff, the compression had to work at any arbitrary temperature, let’s guess at about -30° F at the altitude where the bombs would have been flying (about 25,000 feet MSL), since the bomb bays were not heated. But the Alamogordo New Mexico test blast went off at ordinary surface temperature. The job of making that compression work would have been a tough one with computers to do the calculating but they had to do it without computers. Any failure to do exactly what they wanted would have meant the bomb would fail. It was a very big gamble considering that they had only enough material for three bombs and no margin for error.
It’s ironic that the link provided by Gee Aye happened to show a quote by the late J. Robert Oppenheimer, considered to be the father of the atomic bomb though nothing on that page even remotely mentions or implies the atomic bomb. Each time the quote you get is apparently chosen at random. I guess I hit Oppenheimer the first time but Einstein when I went back to verify something.
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Actually, it was only the plutonium bombs (the “Fatman” style) that needed compression due to the likelyhood of contaminants causing predetonation. The uranium (“Little Boy”) bomb was a simple gun style device where a segment of a uranium globe was fired in to complete the globe for fission to occur. This is why only a plutonium bomb was tested as they knew the uranium bomb would work (plus there wasn’t enough uranium to waste in a test).
The expertise of the British in shaped charges was what made the implosion bomb possible as they were able to convert simple radial explosive fronts to flat fronts that would compress the plutonium evenly. They experimented a LOT to get the geometry correct.
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Thanks. I knew about the bullet design vs. the sphere that had to be compressed but somehow I remembered it as accomplishing compression to do the job. Goes to show how good memory can be sometimes.
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Why on earth are red thumbs being set on discussion of history? Does the hater want this portion of history adjusted or erased (as with historical temperature readings)?
Roy, one reason I like this site is the amount of information I learn and get updated/recalled. My memory is far from infallible as corrections occasional by others makes clear đ
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I suspect its past the lefties afternoon nap times and they are in the cranky part of the afternoon preceeding “arsenic hour” before bedtime?
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Analitik,
The red thumbs have been a curse for a long time. I can never be sure but I suspect that someone has it in for specific people and whoever replies to them. And if it’s not that then it’s an even more general and even less easy to explain hatred for those of us who manage to make a significant jab at climate change with what we say. It’s almost as if getting a thumb or two up begets thumbs down in response. And possibly it’s spurred on by our taking a jab at the red thumbs now and then.
In any case, if you get red thumbs you’re apparently in good company and I wouldn’t worry about it. Sometimes though, you can inject a little humor by playing around with the red thumb bombers.
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Addendum to my admission of faulty memory:
I’m not certain that they could be so sure the uranium bomb would work. They may have had high confidence in it but my years in software engineering taught me that even some very small seemingly insignificant detail overlooked can cause big trouble. Anyway, it was a monumental undertaking for the time in which it was done and all the more so since all three bombs did what they were designed to do. No failures.
I wish my record in software development was as good. đ
If you haven’t read the book, ENOLA GAY, I can recommend it. It’s a fascinating read from the point of view of the commander of the special bomb group formed specifically to deliver the bombs and the man who actually flew the plane that hit Hiroshima, the ENOLA GAY. By now there are many other good books too, both pro and con. Amazon lists them all.
ISBN 0-671-42393-1
PS:
This is interesting from a historical and technological point of view, not because I relish war. I don’t. And in the end it’s seems clear to me that the example of destruction given to the world by those two bombs has been a good thing, making would be despots think more than twice before taking the step to drop another one. And as those two bombs fade into obscurity we see more and more escalation of the game of atomic chicken. Not good.
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Sounds reasonable. The bulk modulus of water is only đ 2.2GPa, so I think you’d want a pressure of around 11 GPa for that degree of compression. IIRC, that is the pressure at the verified bottom of the Trench.
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I’d like you to put a big hole in it too. Get back to us when someone actually does.
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Its like a pin-cushion already !!
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Full of little pricks?
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darning needles.
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Are you sure those pricks are little?
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It’s the Virtual 3% David v the 97% Goliath!
~ ~ ~
“Those of us who dissent from mainstream thinking about
climate change[Global Warming] truly are voices in the wilderness, analogous to the Rebel Alliance in the fictional Star Warsâ universe.Scattered, underfunded, thin-on-the-ground â thatâs us.
On the other hand, the forces assembled against us are massive.
For many years now, the United Nations, national as well as local governments, Fortune 500 corporations, nearly all of the media, and activists from small church groups to multinational players have vigorously promoted the view that human activity has triggered dangerous
climate change[Global Warming].Donna Laframboise
. . .
Armed only with the null hypothesis for the modern warm period, that is – the warming represents recovery from the Little Ice Age, and requiring no demands for green taxes or wealth re-distribution, the rebels fight for the truth.
Join us!
All that is required is the ability to ask questions.
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Actually mainstream thinking, is that it’s crap. Which shows everytime there is an actual vote.
The very loud but smallish group inside the echo chamber just don’t get this, and actual votes cause them no end of confusion.
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A few days back Jo had a post on “Academic Apes”. I downloaded the paper from Amazon (iPad links not working then – had to pay – no problems) and read the paper right through. It was extremely interesting, but what really got to me was the very last paragraph of the Conclusion.
“This appears to suggest that climate will continue to be an area of hostile interactions between insider and outsider and indeed, as outsiders are a mixed bag with no organisation or leadership, it appears that any move toward better relations in the area of climate would need to come from greater toleration by academia.”
This is the problem that we have as a “group”. No matter how good and well qualified individuals such as Jo Nova, David Evans, Judith Curry, Willy Soon et al might be, they are individuals and the pack of like-minded animals have no way of congregating around them to protect them, while the Academic Apes have most of academia, the media and government on their side. Until we can find a way to offer the same group support and improve media coverage we are a bit like water dropping on stone.
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Oohh! Look at me…. Look at me…. I got four green thumbs. A record for me. I must be saying something that’s annoyed somebody.
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I think the red thumbs frequency might have a positive correlation to school holidays.
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Is it school holidays?
Wonder how many Universities have there mid term break now.
That would explain the low-end arts/sociology brainless-mess of some of the trolls.
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their… not there.
how did I stuff that one up !
Can’t blame auto-correct, because I shot the thing the other day… it must be dead !
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And now the red thumbs have gone – can’t believe it was a burst of shame!
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A key weakness of the self-appointed [snip] guardians of social and environmental order is their pathological co-dependence on authority and alarm.
People are habituated to the conveyor belt of disaster diatribes, those short-legged epics placed in the MSM by the hands of the stinking Green grasper, whose twisted fingers sign the regulations that steal the money, which creates the poverty that causes the sickness that leads to the cold deaths; the specialist that chokes humanity of its humanity.
Instead, what should make the MSM sit up with interest is the science that shows the average standard deviation of global temperatures during the Holocene up to 8000 years before the present day highlighted a value of 0.98C ¹ 0.27C, placing the current centennial variation entirely within natural variation. Lloyd PJ, (2015), Energy & Environment ¡ Vol. 26, No. 3.
Now THAT is FASCINATING news.
The UN delusion of climate change shows itself to be no more than a political and financial construct resembling Mossack Fonseca on anabolics, with the World’s leaders compliant in an eco-globalist delusion that tidies up the uncertainty of control.
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I think many people are still stunned and unimpressed at the supposed conflation of science and politics in the form of the IPCC. A step back to before the dark ages for civilization, where sacrifices need to be made to appease the Gods and science has been hobbled. To many the UN looks more like the an all ruling megalomamic centrist bureaucracy that relies on global fear, particularly AGCC, to coral the players into submission, subverting nations sovereignty to a global cabala. The free-will of the people is being usurped.
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Yes it is. But I wonder sometimes if the people really want free will or if they really want to be led around, told what to do to be safe, to be acceptable and pretty literally, how to be happy. Judging by history it looks more like safety comes first in importance and long before freedom to do as you want instead of what someone else tells you to do. If it were otherwise I wonder if there would be anything left of the UN by now. They certainly don’t hide their intent to regulate everything and everyone. It’s out in plain sight.
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I blame “smart” phones – every numpty now has an ability to put thier ( usually non existant ) scientific 2 cents into the fray…..the problem is of course is that *because* people can voice thier opinion and the Leftists are rather good at manipulating dim dullards, that the lack of connection to hard science is caused by the political aspect of it all.
The 97% nonsense is a “logic switch” that like an electrical isolator , disconnects peoples brains from hard science and floats the argument away from science to politics where the Leftists are very adept – Leftism is a political ideology, its basically a bunch of thugs who want to bop the money makers in the nose and steal their hard earned, in short its the politics of inferiority and theft.
Its an unfortunate fact that many poorly educated or average educated people also have a tendency to believe what they are told all too readily.
Never confuse volume of “noise” with intelligence, I say…..
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I blame it on block buster movies.
Once a human sees a video blockbuster movie about whatever, they get desensitised and the subject matter of the movie is no longer of any interest.
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“Work on Oneself: 2: Our Thoughts are not . . .”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lupbmLITIIQ
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Steve,
It’s pretty much a case of, physician, heal thyself. I don’t think anyone can do it for them. I wish that wasn’t so. But the evidence is to the contrary. If people are content with their lives they won’t move to change them and will resist someone else’s attempt to do it for them. We skeptics are a good indicator that I’m right. We don’t want to be moved into a world run by some unelected bureaucrat, do we? And we resit being shoved in the direction they want us to go.
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I recall a few days ago two academics on our ABC discussing the disaster of recent coral bleaching at the northern end of the reef and its dire consequences, and then we have the tour boat people out of Cairns saying it’s not true, are they trying to ruin the local economy? It view of the fact that most reefs recover after a bleaching event when the water cools a bit let’s wait and see what happens. If we continue to get El Nino events, and we have always had them, what has changed, only publicity seeking individuals chasing funding.
If the dire predictions about the death of the northern end of the reef don’t come to pass, will the ABC give airtime for a retraction?
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Yup.
When Tony Windsor wanted to see if ETS worked, he asked the productivity commission…
Now the sensible question would have been..”Did the ETS as used overseas..lower emissions overall.?
But the media missed the question he actually asked.
Because windsor, to be kind..was not the sharpest pencil in the pencil box..he asked them if an ETS was being used overseas.
I could have told them that for free..
Then Winsdor..came back with their big report..and said “Yes”.
Bang..he then backed Gillard and an ETS was born.
Becauce in post modern world facts don t matter..
“Hidden” in the Productivity report was the gem…it had lowered some emmissions in the UK..which might have been real world..by helping to shut down some industries ?…and lowered Emissions in Germany..on paper{in a model}..because they had done a paper swap of CO2 Emissions for money of course.
So…overall…out of all the countries it had been used..it was a flop everywhere but the UK.
But the $CAGW$ followers and the media missed that…
Cognitive dissonance and craven stupidity…
On a side note..I finally met a $CAGW$ fanatic who was off the grid, did not own or use cars and really knows the science..
Just kidding….
Good luck to the sacked CSIRO “scientists” in the real world getting a job with that CV…
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As Billy Birmingham (via Austen Tayshus) put it
Ironically, Alexander (Sandy) Jacob Gutman, who portrayed Austen Tayshus ran against Tony Abbott in 2010
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Hope that Greenland graph is not indicating a return to a glacial period…………
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There are some who say the Holocene has reached its ‘used by’ date, but in this overheated political environment I cannot confirm or deny.
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Thanks for the reminder:
http://joannenova.com.au/2016/04/weekend-unthreaded-113/#comment-1795051
More chocolate makes the world go round.
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When I read the article by Hartcher I thought how is it that people are so gullible.Man the evil one who has defiled the planet.End of times is it? I’ve said this before-that we are pariahs.People I know are so serious about this that they get particularly nasty when they hear comments that dispute their belief.It is instructive to read the comments in the SMH piece and wince at the strange hermetic world that they live in.
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Well then logically outright pysical persecution will follow….
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Actually, further to my comment – it seems intersting that the Left is a master of creating divisive politics – in short the left weaken society by making everyone hate everyone else, divide and conquer…..then step in with the “solution” .
Society is fast coming to a cross roads – [snip] its rich vs poor, its CAGW vs plucky sceptics, its haves vs have nots, its mud huts brigade vs progress, its real science vs politics…..
Watch this space, I suspect it will all go bang. My only concern is that in the fog of war, bad things will happen to sceptics….
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My hope is that the IPCC’s mission statement is changed to looking at the science of climate generally rather than specifically and only anthropogenic climate change as is now the case.
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Ah, youre forgetting the first rule of Enquiries ( from the Sir Humprey Appleby school of Politics ) :
“Never hold an Equiry unless you know the outcome”
The IPCC is no better than the game you see common street hustlers playing with the 3 cards/pea under one of 3 cups trick.
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Not to mention Jo, editing a scientists (David Evans) 1/2 to 1 hour testimony down to what was it? 3 words?
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No, David got the royal treatment. It was Jo that got cut down to about three sentences and one giggle.
The level of knowledge of global warming was not the determining factor. To get air time as a climate sceptic you have to be a member of the stereotype the Progressives love to hate: old white male. I’m notifying David is doing but he was “more qualified” than Jo.
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I could blame my phone’s auto-correct for that last sentence, but I also could have checked before posting instead of hurrying to get off the bus.
replace with: Iâm not saying David is old but he was âmore qualifiedâ for the stereotype than Jo.
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Whatever happened to that little girl? Such innocence.
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I think the correct term is “crying wolf” – except in the end, the wolf really does turn up.
Perhaps “habituation” is a better term. We have been habituated to the news.
So really rather than mitigate against climate change news, we have “adapted” to it.
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Yes, Tony Abbott promised to stop the Carbon tax, stop the Mining tax and stop the boats. He did all three.
Now in Australia, we have Malcolm Turnbull who lost his job as party leader in 2009 because his one passion was an ETS. He staked his career on it and lost. This is a carbon tax where the money goes overseas to prevent Global Warming and its resultant Climate Change. Now after a seven year scheme to remove Tony Abbott and ably assisted by his ABC, Malcolm is our unelected PM, shackled by policies with which he totally disagrees.
What is puzzling is that no one yet has asked him about his ETS, his passion. This is very important as previously CEO of Goldmann Sachs Australia he would be very familiar with how it worked and who benefited. It seems no journalist is interested in this obvious question and certainly not his ABC. His meteoric drop in popularity is all his own work and due to his total lack of interest in the job, not an unfriendly press. Their Malcolm is a no ideas man, except for the ETS.
Now Labor has promised an ETS. So have the Greens. The PM most obviously wanted an ETS but no one is asking him about his intentions today. He only inherited a no ETS/Carbon Tax position in a deal with the Nationals. Besides if a journalist did, Malcolm could just recite Gillard’s famous election winning promise “there will be no carbon tax in a government I lead”.
Once elected, he could bring in an ETS as his very first move, exactly as Gillard did, so betraying all of Australia just for the support of the fringe Greens. After all, leftist Liberal Victorian president Michael Kroger is having meetings every day with the Greens to swap preferences against Labor. What exactly is he promising, if not what they want, an ETS? Then a Liberal/Green alliance to destroy Labor and the National Party? What’s not to like about Malcolm? Everyone loves Malcolm.
Why is Malcolm actually getting rid of the fringe parties in the Senate and handing their seats to Labor and the Greens. Without them, we could never have removed the taxes. Everything points to an ETS as his first move. Will someone please ask the question before we have to pay again for Global Warming?
Will someone in the media please ask Malcolm Turnbull if he is bringing in an ETS if elected? He can deny his one passion. He can say maybe. Or he can say he will. The first is unbelievable and the next two would mean he was unelectable. Then we could have Tony back from exile. Maybe that is why the question is not asked?
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Totally agree TdeF
Also, I mentioned in another thread how there was a glaring lack of apology from the media and central left to Tony Abbott for the castigation he received in October last year when he addressed the European leadership on the looming issues they were going to have with the Syrian refugees.
The latest EU action to return refugees to Turkey is yet another of his recommendations that have come to pass. Again, where are the apologies from Turnbull, Shorten, Di Natale, et al (I do not expect any from the ABC or SBS)
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Well the reality is that turnbull is a champagne globalist socialist. He doesnt reaslly care, he just does as hes told and has a giggle while hes at it. Labor is the same as the liberals. Trubull is another Gillard. There – I’ve said it. Watch this space.
The reality that the senate is removing the core of democracy – the ability to have actual representation of minor parties because thats what the *people* voted for, is akin to turning it into a US-style big money 2 party system. In the USA people consider the democrats and republicans are all the same underneath as well.
My main beef is that we already have a one-party globalist govt – “labor” and “libs” are the same underneath, they just have different wrappers so people still think they have “choice”. They dont.
What I find disturbing is how people will defend our broken system to the hilt, an act as bizarre as drinking water that has poison in it, in an attempt to prove its “safe” while getting sicker and sicker….
The referendum should be about returning the hijacked senate to how it should be, not this smokescreen of whether two blokes can marrying each other….
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That’s the problem that conservative Australia faces – the Liberal party has moved so far towards the center that in metropolitan areas, there is no properly representative conservative party. Labor has done the same and they are now getting squeezed by the Greens for abandoning the left.
I was hoping Cory Bernardi would go ahead with a “Tea Party” style split from the Liberals.
As an aside, at a dinner party near the start of the year, someone expressed their joy at Turnbull’s takeover saying they could now vote Liberal again. I told her to be prepared for disappointment and someone else asked if I was implying that Malcolm Turnbull was not be be trusted. When I said “Yes”, without pause, it pretty much killed that conversation.
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Yes and mysteriously Bernadi has been sent on some goose chase at the black hole….er….UN to get him out of the country so he cant be heard to speaking common sense….
On another vein, I wonder who the mysterious red thumbers are?
Seems odd that only stuff critical of the Left gets red thumbs….oh no..it couldnt be, could it?….I guess I proved my point…
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School holidays and a kid with multiple devices to red thumb with, I expect.
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Possibly. Maybe they got bored of Minecraft?
Facebook is a bit advanced…
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As arts/sociology students, they probably gave up on the 2nd page of their 3 page copying assignment, and were so bored they had nothing else to do.
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One of those kids seems to have crush on me.
A truly mentally disturbed child.
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Maybe that is why the question is not asked?
Of course.
Most questions that go to the heart of things are avoided by the MSM. This, I think, happens because politicians’ PR suggest that if some pointed question is pushed, the “pusher” will be cast on the outer, denied leaks, ignored, not have phone calls returned etc. In short, sent to Coventry. And their editor will be informed of this.
So the denizens of the meeja preserve their vanity, their illusion of being at the centre of things, by avoiding real questions.
Cassandra knows no way of altering this with any significance.
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#7 Lost in moderation for … ?
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PANIC___ !!!
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Amazing ROM. A red thumb. Someone’s obviously suffering from an involuntary tic or as you say, they’ve panicked.
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That would be more your voluntary but meaningless tic.
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Happy to help the mentally unemployed. Tic away.
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The term ‘Tic Turd’ sprang to mind.
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Or Bush Tic.
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We all suffer from it!
Those who do not agree with our own personal beliefs must be wrong or don’t really understand the situation.
The end outcomes as to how people react to others not believing or being convinced to believe what they personally believe is merely a matter of degree.
Peter Harcher is merely indicating that he is at a quite rigid level of climate change fundamentalism than say nearly all of the Skeptics.
But Peter Harcher still has a long way to go in his fundamentalistic based beliefs in the so called and unproven Climate Change ideology when compared to the absolute rigidity and fundamentalism of [some some nameless belief systems – Snip18C – Jo]
But they are all still just a matter of degree.
The Skeptics flexibility and consideration of the alternative explanations and general acceptance of a whole range of individuals beliefs on the forces and manners in which the Earth’s climate changes and evolves.
[Snip. Email coming – Jo]
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Like barrel rolling in a Blanek.
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Fer you ROM.
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Blanik–>
Deep stall
Stick full forward.
Hang out in straps at a couple of negative G’s
Hold until inverted
Roll upright.
Go into circuit. Say to self; Not sure I’ll do that again or ever want to do that again!
I did, once more but then decided life was too short as it was!
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Std Jantar;
Half flick and pull through legal.
Hmm!
Slow to 48 kts
Stick full back, hard full rudder.
Rolling inverted as in fast.
Slam stick full forward. Hard full opposite rudder.
Rolls right side up with positive G’s all the way through.
And as smooth as Kitty’s leg.
That was easy.
Did a few more.
Son comes home for driving combines across the USA during their harvest.
He did a full glider aerobatic course including inverted thermalling and etc.
Told son about my full flick rolls in the Std Jantar.
DAD! DON’T DO that! [ full flick roll! ]
It twists the tail right off of them!
Clicked out a 128 KPH average on the 680 km O & R to Waikerie and back in that Std Jantar.
Did a 750 km triangle in it as well.
Just an Old Man’s dreams of the past glories and memories of quite a lot of unneeded adrenalin rushes !
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Blanik for sure. Polish Mulka?
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it’s like “child porn”:
4 Apr: SMH: Tim Elliott: Decision on coal mine ‘defies reason’
The decision on Sunday to approve mining leases for Queensland’s Carmichael coal mine is akin to “evil”, according to one of the world’s foremost marine scientists.
“It defies reason,” said Dr Charlie Veron, former chief scientist at the Australian Institute of Marine Science. “I think there is no single action that could be as harmful to the Great Barrier Reef as the Carmichael coal mine.”…
Dr Veron recently travelled to Canberra to talk to government about the decline in the reef. “The politicians do listen to scientists, but that is the worst part of it,” he said. “If this was all done out of sheer ignorance, that is sort of understandable. It’s like child porn â you might say you don’t know it exists, but if you know it exists and you do everything to promote it, then that’s evil.”…
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/decision-on-coal-mine-defies-reason-20160403-gnxbc6.html
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…like child p0rn?
Are these people for real? Talk about hyping it way out of proportion tot he issue.
Ironically, the alarmists have shot themselves in the foot – they hype it to crazy land and then wonder why people look at them with a comforting and “the doctor will be here soon..” approach.
I think its high time that most of the hard core CAGW mob were exposed for the lunatics they are….
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Superwomen to the rescue, Hartcher!
1 Apr: CarbonPulse: Stian Reklev: Queensland govt teams up with project developer to win ERF projects
Australiaâs Queensland state government has teamed up with project developer Green Collar to bid for projects that can generate carbon credits under the federal governmentâs Emissions Reductions Fund (ERF).
The two parties have set up the new Catchment Conservation Alliance (CCA), they announced Friday.
Green Collar will use data and information provided by the state government to bid for projects in ERF using existing methodologies. The CCA will also develop conservation projects within the Great Barrier Reef and river catchments…
The new alliance comes too late to submit bids for the next ERF auction later this month, so it will need to wait until the fourth auction due in Q4.
That may also be the last ERF auction, at least for a while, as the federal government has said it will not set aside any new funding for ERF is this yearâs budget.
http://carbon-pulse.com/17813/
4 Apr: CarbonPulse: Mike Szabo: Franceâs Royal forms high-level taskforce to push EU carbon price proposal
French Environment Minister and COP-21 President Segolene Royal has tasked three high-level energy and climate experts to develop proposals on how to implement a price floor for EU carbon allowances as well as for European electricity generation.
The French environment ministry on Saturday said Royal had appointed to the team CEO of energy giant Engie Gerard Mestrallet, former minister of development and current director of WWF France Pascal Canfin, and economist Alain Grandjean.
In an open letter dated Mar. 25, Royal asked the trio to develop âconcrete proposals on the establishment of a carbon price that would steer investment towards the most favourable climate projects,â breaking the work into three areas:…ETC
Royal said the panel is expected to submit an initial roadmap by Apr. 15, which should include plans to raise the matter at the World Bankâs annual meeting in Washington later this month…
The minister added that she will in June convene a pro-carbon price coalition formed at last Decemberâs climate summit and made up of 74 countries and 1,000 companies. A draft report should be submitted by the taskforce by that meeting, followed by a final report in early July…
http://carbon-pulse.com/17876/
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Silly me. To think that I thought ‘climate change’ was all to do with the climate.
Have a look at how much the ‘well-to-do’ nations will be paying the United Nations for the privileges they enjoy… while the less developed nations will be compensated for the privileges they don’t enjoy.
It’s all about politics my dear. All about politics – and I don’t agree with the politics being forced upon us.
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“while the less developed nations”
No.. only those nation’s leaders will be compensated.
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5 Apr: Bolt Blog: Not dead yet: Great Barrier Reef coral cover up 19 per cent in three years
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/not_dead_yet_great_barrier_reef_coral_cover_up_19_per_cent_in_three_years/
links to:
5 Apr: Condition of Great Barrier Reef corals before the mass bleaching event in 2016
http://www.aims.gov.au/docs/media/latest-news/-/asset_publisher/EnA5gMcJvXjd/content/05-april-condition-of-great-barrier-reef-corals-before-the-mass-bleaching-event-in-2016#Table%201
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WOW..
if you look at the coverage link, the coverage in the Southern GBR has nearly DOUBLED in 3 years.
An amazing growth rate, but all we hear from the ABC is about the bleaching in the north…
Always pushing the CAGW agenda. !
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The latest reef bleaching scare was completely dissected here: http://themarcusreview.com/2016/03/30/dont-move-or-the-reef-gets-it/
The shifty statements and numbers used by the alarmists are staggering.
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/03/27/double-the-atmospheric-co2-fuggeddaboutit/#comment-2177156
Note that the “minor to moderate damage” map is also almost entirely due to cyclones and crown of thorns cycles (and yes, crown of thorns does predate European settlement, their spines are common in prior reef sediment cores), and the cyclones have been occurring more infrequently, and also generally weaker than prior, so even their ‘damage’ map is apparently designed to mislead.
The reality is the reef evolved a planktonic larval stage specifically to migrate as needed, and re-seed damaged areas quickly, in just one year, and thus recover extremely rapidly from tremendous disturbances. And heavy cyclonic disturbances are situation normal from ~15 deg South to ~23 deg S on the GBR.
The reef in the north of 15 deg S generally gets fewer and weaker cyclones, and thus less water mixing and more fresh water inflows as it is also closer to shore, than the mid-tropics GBR reef, so closer to river mouths and flood plumes, so more prone to bleaching.
But the closer you get to the equator the fewer cyclones occur and if they recurve to the coast they have less time to spin up to full strength before hitting the reef, unless they are further south.
Cyclone track map pattern since 1906:
http://www.bom.gov.au/cyclone/images/qld/cyclones-eastern.png
Not to mention that most of the ‘cyclone’ tracks recorded since 1906 come across land in a weakened state from the Gulf of Carpentaria, then spun-up again when already clearing seawards, east of the GBR reefs! So not surprisingly, the reef’s in pretty good nick up there, almost all of the time. The mid tropics reef however get comparatively slammed by cyclones recurving back on to the east coast.
And this also ignores that what was discovered in the mid-1990s by AIMS “Long-Term Monitoring Project”, I know because I saw their entire coral cover dataset for the ~52 annually monitored reef’s and video transects, was that severe cyclone-damaged coral reefs went from totally wrecked and almost zero living coral-cover, back to the most high coral cover levels observed on the entire surveyed reef list, with as much as 90% seafloor cover, and the highest species diversities of all reefs, on all reefs surveyed, in just 5-years.
In other words, the reef LOVED cyclonic disturbances, it was a veritable bonanza for the species that settled there next, they flourished like nowhere else on the GBR. they pre-climax communities were the most diverse and the most healthy. And the rate of recovery was gob-smacking, in just three years the totally destroyed reefs looks even better than the undamaged reefs, with even higher cover. it was just tat it took another two years to reach they maximum cover, that was much higher than any normal otherwise ‘healthy’ reef.
In other words (again), the best places to go diving were on a reef that had been totally destroyed, just 3, 4 or 5 years prior!
Of course the initial monitoring program and team were totally shocked, surprised and thoroughly delighted and blown away by this incredible discovery of robustness and resilience of the reef at the time, pointing out that the reef recovered from cyclones just as fast, or faster than the coastal rain forests did.
But there’s no money or political and media support or sympathy in making that fact widely known so they now constantly downplay it, and pretend the reef is always a bit sickish and threatened terribly by all sorts of terrible human calamities and need them, so it can be ‘saved’.
It’s all cyclical political dishonest rubbish.
the health map of the reef is delusional, it has NOTHING to do with humans, damaged or undamaged, these events are all well within past natural variability and cycles.
Given I know this is a ruse being played, for I saw all of their data from the early 1990s forwards, I know that AIMS knows the reef is in no danger, it’s extremely healthy, phenomenally robust, in no way delicate, or unable to adapt to in time for pretty much anything.
Coral is better thought of as a marine weed, it grows fast, it grows wherever the benthos and water conditions are available to do so, and where competition allows, and that is not going to change on the GBR, any time soon, nor is bleaching, nor are cyclones. Corals evolved specifically to deal with these.
Any alleged ‘damage’ humans do is infinitesimal compared to the natural processes that coral reefs somehow manage to survive every time.
And as for coral bleaching being new, its’ not, it’s only new in the sense that scientists finally started going out the reef to dive in the 1970s and started noticing it.
Given what I’ve seen come from AIMS and GBRMPA publications since about 1998, I would not be inclined to believe almost anything they have to say. They are know exaggerators of the alleged bad, and also known down-players of the very good.
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Oh, almost forgot, this AIMS claim the coral core records being only 400 years long is false, I was looking at older coral cores than that 20 years ago.
It appears they’re saying “the past 400 years of records”, simply to insinuate the little ice age to present warming period is due to human caused warming. We know it isn’t:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/2000-years-of-global-temperature.jpg
Rather, this lack of data on the part of AIMS, is not evidence, nor a basis for conclusions, it is just a lack of data, and a lack of research prioritization on AIMS part, and a misrepresentation, and not much else.
If they want to be considered credible, they’ll stop making unsupported claims, conclusions, and assertions and go and obtain the missing coral record data, and from all parts of the reef, not just for cherry-picked deep reef sites (that don’t get the hotter near-surface waters), or well away from land (don’t get affected by floods).
Given we know flood rain outflow plumes do cause bleaching in the GBR, for AIMS to claim that bleaching is not found in the records is simply absurd, or rather, the coral coring work they have done so far is chronically unrepresentative for them to be saying any such.
Lift your game AIMS, remember what happened at CSIRO when they called wolf too many times and misled people too much – that can be you next.
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Excellent! Concurs with my observations as a reef fisherman many years ago.Desruction and renewal.Nature largely rewards catastrophic events with resurgence.
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Let’s hope it works that way with the climate change farce.
Will the world recover from this idiocy ?
Is it resilient enough.
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Probably not in my lifetime. đ
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Hartcher said:
‘The Australian Institute of Marine Science says there is no ecological signature of widespread coral bleaching in the reef’s history. Yet in the past two decades there have been three “mass bleaching events”, the first in 1998. The current one is the worst so far. Rising ocean temperatures are the chief culprit.’
My first impulse is to scream its a lie, instead I’ll have a quick look around to debunk it.
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Over at Watts a Tim Ball post is very informative and it appears that MJO WWB is code for coral bleaching on the GBR. This in comments from Ian Wilson.
‘Periodically (i.e. roughly once every 4.5 years), the precise alignments of the lunar tidal forcings produce the right conditions that result an upsurge in the number and magnitude of what I call Pacific Penetrating MJO.
‘These are MJO events that travel from the Eastern equatorial Indian Ocean, along the Equator, all the way into the Western Pacific Ocean, where they initiate Westerly Wind Bursts (WWBâs).
‘The spawning of these WWBâs takes place as the MJO event is transitioning from a hybrid-cross between, a convectively-coupled Kelvin wave and an Equatorial Rossby wave, and a convectively de-coupled (i.e. dry) Kelvin wave.
‘The spawning of the WWBâs occurs in the Western Equatorial Pacific Ocean, somewhere between 60O E and 150O W longitude. The actual process involves the formation of a typhoon/cyclone pair straddling the equator which produces an intense WWB between the two intense low pressure cells.’
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Hartcher is frankly a wet, limp ,cloistered preposterous twit.What would anyone expect from SMH chief political commenter.
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CAGW / CACC = BS
Just Totalitarianism by the back door by the U.N. ( Unelected Nutters ).
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No need to panic they are only justifying why they should not have research grants cut in the upcoming state and federal budgets.
They are not the only ones lining up for handouts it’s a seasonal problem.
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Someone posted the following graph in WWT a couple of days ago. It’s not showing anything new but it does wonderfully provide the context to climate and weather cycle ‘events’ of now.
Note that even the prior interglacials were all significantly hotter, for far longer than our present relatively cool interglacial, of the past 11k years, and the mild warming of recent 150 years that is absurdly blamed on humans.
From Clive Best: ( http://clivebest.com/ )
http://clivebest.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Global-temps.png
From Roy Spencer:
http://www.drroyspencer.com/library/pics/2000-years-of-global-temperature.jpg
Thus apparently, if the alleged human anthropogenic ’cause ‘n effect’ had anything to do with the most recent (present) Holocene interglacial temperature peak and its trend, we’ve apparently cooled its temperature with respect to all three prior interglacials of the past 0.425 million years! An inconvenient fact.
And yet we’re expected to get all worried and panic about what humans are doing with hydrocarbons now? LMAO!
The worriers look primarily at times scales much shorter than ~1k years duration for good reason. Politics is likewise short-term focused so only time-scales of weather cycle noise, and sea level change noise, matters to spinning doom narratives and commensurate political noise, to extort public money, and thus undermine and derail fieldwork, and the physical measuring and testing of evidence that runs counter to this hopelessly dopey GCM doom-model making, and the deliberately daft political narratives that hang on every word of it.
We get the politics, politicians, ‘leaders’, culture, society, media and ‘authorities’ that we truly deserve.
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And the last 10,000 years. We are very much at the “COLD” end of the current interglacial
I like it when the scientists at the ice face tell it how it really is.
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And a temperature reconstruction of the last 10,000 years.
And some real scientists at the ice face.
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A nice little video from real scientists at the ice face.
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And a temperature reconstruction for the whole Holocene
We really are at a “cold” part of the current interglacial.
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One see’s the same sort or nonsense concerning drought cycles in arid regions with cries of man made climate change caused desertification:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/02/another-diffenbaugh-claim-california-drought-patterns-becoming-more-common/
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/09/29/claim-cause-of-california-drought-linked-to-climate-change-not-one-mention-of-enso-or-el-nino/
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Have to wonder what they are talking about even short term?
http://ww2.kqed.org/lowdown/2015/09/21/now-that-summers-over-what-do-californias-reservoirs-look-like-a-real-time-visualization/
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“Of Droughts and Flooding Rains – Part 1″
http://www.abc.net.au/austory/content/2005/s1383562.htm
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Always a pleasure Jo. Thank you for another dose of climate sanity.
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no wonder we are bored…
Hartcher writes today:
The International Energy Agency reported last month that energy-related carbon emissions worldwide had stayed flat…The main reason? An unexpected surge in renewable energy…
The second reason was that China’s carbon emissions fell as its economic transformation progressed… “It’s possibly peaking much earlier â it may be there already,” says (ANU climate economist Frank) Jotzo.
The hard-headed chief of the IEA, Fatih Birol, was moved to excitement: “This is unprecedented. This is huge.” World economic growth had now ***decoupled from carbon emissions, he said…
Fairfax last year:
14 March 2015: SMH: Mathew Carr: Carbon emissions stop rising amid growth for first time in 40 years
…for the first time, greenhouse gas emissions are ***decoupling from economic growth,” Fatih Birol, who takes over next year as executive director of the IEA, said in the statement…
17 March 2015: SMH: Peter Hannam: Thirty years of consecutive warmth: the heat really is on
The increasing use of renewable energy sources, such as solar and wind, helped to curb emissions from burning fossil fuels.
“This is both a very welcome surprise and a significant one,” IEA chief economist Fatih Birol said in a statement. “It provides much needed momentum to negotiators preparing to forge a global climate deal in Paris in December: for the first time, greenhouse gas emissions are ***decoupling from economic growth.”…
21 June 2015: SMH: Adam Morton: The sound of something snapping: God, Gwyneth and a glimmer of good climate news
A report by non-profit organisation the Renewable Energy Policy Network (known as REN21) found that, for the first time in four decades, an increase in energy use across the globe last year was accompanied by flatlining emissions…
It was enough for REN21 network chair Arthouros Zervos to declare a “landmark ***decoupling” of economic growth and emissions is afoot, led by China…
the Zervos/REN21 decoupling began with New scientist:
17 June: New Scientist: CO2 emissions stall thanks to Chinaâs passion for renewables
Arthouros Zervos, the REN21 networkâs chair, called this âthe landmark decouplingâ of economic growth and carbon emissions and said it âis due in large measure to Chinaâs increased use of renewable resourcesâ…
It follows an analysis earlier this week by the International Energy Agency predicting that, thanks to renewables and growing energy efficiency, an 88 per cent growth in the global economy by 2030 may be accompanied by emissions growth of just 8 per cent…
like Fairfax, REN21/IEA seem more concerned about shilling for renewables than saving the planet from CAGW.
REN21 Bio: Arthouros Zervos
Since 2013 he has been Chair of the Renewable Energy Policy Network for the 21st Century (REN21). Dr. Zervos has served as President of the European Wind Energy Association (2001-2013), President of the European Renewable Energy Council (2000-2012) and Chairman of the Global Wind Energy Council (2005-2010), while also serving from 2009 to 2015 as Chairman and CEO of PPC S.A. and Chairman of PPC Renewables…
Since 2003 he is responsible for the Wind Energy Specialization of the European Renewable Energy Master. He is also President of the European Renewable Energy Council, Chairman of the Global Wind Energy Council and President of the European Wind Energy Association and a member of the Steering Committee of the European Wind Energy Technology Platform…
He is the author of more than 180 publications in international magazines and conference proceedings. He was the lead author of the White Paper on Renewable Sources of Energy for the EC in 1997. He is member of the Advisory Board of the International Journal of Sustainable Energy and Editor of the Wind Energy Journal and of the IET Renewable Energy Generation Journal. He has been the Chairman of 18 international conferences and has participated in more than 220 international conferences.
REN21 About Us/Governance/Steering Committee/NGOs etc
Composed of distinguished individuals from various geographical and institutional backgrounds, the Steering Committee is a nodal point for the relevant actors in the global renewable energy policy arena, from national governments, international organisations, industry associations, science and academia, NGOs, and members at large.
Currently, the REN21 Steering Committee is composed of the following actors:…
http://www.ren21.net/about-ren21/about-us/governance/the-steering-committee/
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Watching them set themselves up for the coming drop in world temperatures. đ
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As atmospheric CO2 levels, as measured here at Cape Grim, have been steady at just under the 400ppm mark for the last 6 months or so, they must do something.
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once more with feeling:
Nov 2015: The Guardian: Anna Leach: Africa could lead world on green energy, says IEA head
Africa could be the first region in the world to power its economic development on renewable energy rather than fossil fuels such as coal, according to the head of the International Energy Agency (IEA).
âIâm very excited about this,â said Fatih Birol as he launched the World Energy Outlook 2015 last month. âWhen we look at the history of energy â in Europe, the U.S., China â economic development was realized by a substantial amount of coal. But in Africa, we may well see, for the first time, a region [realizing] its economic growth using renewable energy.â…
In developed countries, the report observes that economic growth and carbon emissions are no longer inextricably linked. âIn advanced economies â Europe, U.S. and Japan â energy demand is declining despite growth in [their economies],â said Birol. âSo we see a ***decoupling of energy demand growth and economic growth in major advanced economies.â…
http://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2015/nov/11/africa-could-lead-world-on-green-energy-says-iea-head
truly disgusting.
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“Europe, U.S. and Japan â energy demand is declining despite growth”
hmmm.. while the US economy is growing, and its emissions have dropped due to the use of shale gases etc…
I find it difficult to reconcile that statement of Birol’s
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/dam/assets/150413150545-economic-growth-2015-780×439.jpg
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***Hartcher, at least CAGW-infested NYT admits only “a handful of climate researchers” believe that China’s carbon emissions MAY be falling!
3 Apr: NYT: Edward Wong: Chinaâs Carbon Emissions May Have Peaked, but Itâs Hazy
But determining if Chinaâs carbon emissions have peaked and are declining is difficult…
Problems with the accuracy of Chinese data make figuring out what is happening here particularly challenging. A paper published late last month by the journal Nature Climate Change warned that preliminary energy statistics from China were unreliable, and that âthe most easily available data is often insufficient for estimating emissions.â
Still, ***a handful of climate researchers*** say carbon emissions from China may be falling, after climbing rapidly since 2001…
Electricity demand in China is expected to continue growing, and the easiest way to meet it will be through coal-burning power plants rather than alternative energy sources.
Chinaâs coal-burning plants are operating below 50 percent capacity, and a recent Greenpeace East Asia report found that local officials issued permits for the construction of 210 more plants last year…
âI think the total of Chinaâs carbon dioxide emissions will rise again in coming years,â said Jiang Kejun, a senior researcher at the Energy Research Institute of Chinaâs main economic planning agency.
Other skeptics note that Chinese cities are still growing. More than 55 percent of the population lives in cities now, but the government has set a goal of 60 percent by 2020. Urbanization means more construction and reliance on heavy industry, not to mention increased traffic…
Chai Qimin, a senior director at Chinaâs National Center for Climate Change Strategy and International Cooperation, said the experience of other nations suggested that emissions would continue to rise because Chinaâs economy was still developing…
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/04/world/asia/china-climate-change-peak-carbon-emissions.html?_r=0
wasn’t the following, which the MSM reported, contradictory anyway?
8 Mar: New Scientist: Highest ever annual rise in carbon dioxide levels recorded
The average carbon dioxide level recorded at Mauna Loa, Hawaii, during February 2016 was 404.02 parts per million â 3.76 ppm higher than the average for February 2015, according to preliminary figures.
That is the biggest ever increase over a 12-month period…
A new record has also been set for the biggest rise over a calendar year…
Some studies suggest that greenhouse gas emissions have fallen recently, but these studies typically only include emissions from energy generation and industry, and are based on countriesâ own estimates. They do not include changes in land use, such as deforestation and the loss of peat.
While the El NiĂąo boost will be temporary, says Ralph Keeling of the Scripps Institution of Oceanography, the long-term trend is that more and more CO2 is entering the atmosphere every year. Whatâs more, the rate of growth continues to increase.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2079995-highest-ever-annual-rise-in-carbon-dioxide-levels-recorded/
10 Mar: Phys.org: Theo Stein: Record annual increase of carbon dioxide observed at Mauna Loa for 2015
In another first, 2015 was the fourth consecutive year that CO2 grew more than 2 ppm, said Pieter Tans, lead scientist of NOAA’s Global Greenhouse Gas Reference Network.
“Carbon dioxide levels are increasing faster than they have in hundreds of thousands of years,” Tans said. “It’s explosive compared to natural processes.”…
The big jump in CO2 is partially due to the current El NiĂąo weather pattern, as forests, plantlife and other terrestrial systems responded to changes in weather, precipitation and drought…
***Continued high emissions from fossil fuel consumption are driving the underlying growth rate over the past several years…
http://phys.org/news/2016-03-annual-carbon-dioxide-mauna-loa.html
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4 Apr: ClimateChangeNews: Alex Pashley: India affirms commitment to sign Paris climate accord
Delhi ready to ink UN deal at 22 April ceremony, says minister, joining US and China in push for early entry into force
âIndia is not part of the problem; it wants to be part of the solution,â he told a university event in comments reported by the Economic Times…
And Javadekar said India would âratifyâ the deal on the date. But experts suggested there may have been some confusion between signing and ratifying, which implies a lengthier legislative process.
Speaking at the same event, energy minister Piyush Goyal said India would stick to its climate targets with or without financial and technical support from richer nations.
âWe are committed to our contributions,â he said. âRather than follow the world we will lead the world in clean technology and clean energy⌠just like our heritage of saving the universe.â…
***Still, Goyal admitted coal would be Indiaâs main source of power for years to come, with the government investigating super-efficient and so-called clean coal technology.
Addressing government critics who say it is opening swathes of virgin lands to energy companies, Goyal said there had to be a balance between power and the environment.
âIt is very easy to be evangelists in homes enjoying 24 hoursâ power. For that power, somewhere down the line you had to cut a forest to get the coal.â
Delhiâs target is to bring electricity to every village by the end of 2017 and every household by 2019. More than 300 million Indians are estimated to have no access to electricity…
The EU, which as a bloc is the worldâs third largest emitter, is ready to sign but faces a longer process to complete the formalities…
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2016/04/04/india-affirms-commitment-to-sign-paris-climate-accord/
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“just like our heritage of saving the universe”
Say what ???
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LMAO! What?! … did this come from google translate? … or did he [sur]really say that? …
When ‘saving the planet’ too much, is not nearly enough … India “saves” universes! LOL
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Of course it did. Mankind wasn’t manufacturing that coral (and any other marine filter-feeder) toxin oxybenzone.
Now, we are. In even trace amounts, it’s a killer.
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I’d read about that somewhere.
It seems that main ingredient in many sun screens has a DEVASTATING effect on corals.
And what do all tourists put on when they go in the water up there. ????
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“The media is bored of climate change?”
The media has painted itself into a corner, and is now only defering to the dumb handouts of the catastrophists, while never questioning any glaring stupidity within it, or the costs to the public.
The media is now afraid.
The media is afraid of telling the voting public the full truth.
The media is fearful of letting the voting public know the real costs — initial and the sustaining costs of AGW ‘climate change’ fiasco. Cost that impact on every voter.
The media has failed.
Failed the public. Failed to investigate — the who, what, where, when — and analyze the cost/benefit of AGW ‘climate change’ — how much it costs every voter and what they get for it. Failed to report only within the limits of ‘if it can not be measured, verified, and costed then do not report it.’
The media will be quiet. They will keep quiet because the media was instrumental in ensuring that the voting public was duped with outrageous pseudo-scientific headlines. They now will defer to the dumb handouts of the catastrophists, never to question any glaring stupidity within or the costs to the public. AGW ‘climate change’ establishment has eaten the media’s lunch, and they are to dumb to do anything about it.
With no real journalism allowed the media’s failure will remain. To come out with real investigative journalism now would only make the media appear as easily manipulated fools, so they will keep the story quiet for a long time yet…
And for a long time the voting public will be paying for this misdirection, for this failure to fully report.
The fourth estate is the drug addled rent-boys/girls of Big Government and copyist of Big Government’s research troughers.
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So who are the drivers of this mockery?
I’ve found one —
“Limits to Growth” co-author “argues that capitalism and democracy will continue to hamper climate action”
‘Global warming going from bad to worse’
Randers, co-author of the seminal 1972 report “Limits to Growth,” which highlighted the devastating impacts of economic and population growth on the Earth, argues that capitalism and democracy will continue to hamper climate action …
…And capitalism and democracy will remain strong for a very long time because people have trust in that system as it delivered impressive improvements in many people’s quality of life over the past century, he said.
Note that “The Limits to Growth” was commissioned by the Club of Rome.
There are plenty of other stupid people ready to ‘save the world’ to ensure some greedy bassturds get richer and more powerful, while simultaneously the rest of us lose our freedoms.
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And, from a year ago, here is a video of Freeman Dyson and his thoughts about carbon dioxide, the good CO2 is doing, and climate change:
3:20: “First of all there is man-made climate change …it’s a question of how much and is it good or bad..we don’t understand the details. It’s probably much less than is generally claimed. The most important thing is that there are huge non-climate effects of carbon dioxide which are overwhelmingly favorable which are not taken into account. To me that’s the main issue–the Earth is actually growing greener..it’s increasingly agricultural yields, it’s increasing forests, it’s increasing all kinds of growth… That’s more important and more certain than the effects on climate.
5:20: CO2 is “enormously beneficial both to food production and also to biodiversity, preservation of species and everything else that’s good. The remarkable thing is that these effects which have nothing to do with climate…are so much easier to measure than the effects on climate and so much more certain”
9:15: [On warmists] “There certainly is an enormous religion in which there are lots of true believers who think that climate change is evil and that we’re going to run into big catastrophes if we don’t do something drastic. That’s a sort of belief system which exists…I don’t understand it and I don’t pretend to understand their motives.”
11:00: “The real world is far more complicated than the models…I don’t think any of these models can ever be predictive”
13:45 On sun’s effect on climate: “The correlation is certainly there. Exactly how the activity of the sun influences the climate is not completely clear. Something to do with cosmic rays…probably an effect on clouds”
15:15 “CO2 is so beneficial in other ways, it would be crazy to try to reduce it”
16:40: “Average temperature of the Earth..is a very poorly defined thing anyway”
18:50: “Carbon dioxide will increase. We will continue to burn oil and coal; probably it does us good. The Earth will get greener as a result”
19:30: “[People from Asia] don’t feel pessimistic at all…This sort of mood of doom and gloom…only is particularly in the academic communities, particularly in the western societies…The media have gone alone with it, but I think the general public has a lot more common sense.”
20:20: Dyson brought along Lomborg’s book “Cool It”. Dyson says “I think it’s the best general summary I’ve seen, in a way…I think he’s very sound”
21:45: “Man-made climate change certainly is real..question is how much and whether it’s good or bad…I would say it’s on the whole good..it’s not as large an effect as most people have imagined”.
22:00: “I’m an optimist…Everything I look at has improved compared to the 1930s”
And an hat-tip to Tom Nelson.
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You know, I wonder if people actually understand what Socialism and Communism is and how destructive to society it is?
I get the feeling that people ( especially gen Y and younger ) dont knwo what the poltical spectrum actually is and when people say “capitalism is killing the world” is classic Communist agitprop….
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Today Senator Nick Xenophon called for action to save the Australian steel industry. Last week the Queensland Labour government gave the go ahead for a massive coal mine development.
Given that these people have political platforms that pledge to do everything possible to stop the great carbon dioxide monster from doing us all in, do their recent actions seem at bit at odds with that?
Could it be that some leftish politicians now see more votes in industrial development than in whipping up the climate scare? Looks like a positive development if true.
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France has a minister for re-industrialisation – presumably to make up for all the de-industrialisation. Perhaps Australia will also have one of these ministers soon.
To give Xenophon some credit, he is one of the rare breed of federal senators who manages to put their state first (mostly), and he obviously scares the bejesus out of the Greens, Labor, and Liberal parties, so he must be doing something right.
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He got cranky with me once for pointing out he had an older ipad…so hes up on the tech at least….
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1 Apr: Yorkshire Post: Bill Carmichael: Green zealots to blame for steelâs decline
TAKE a bow, you fashionable eco-warriors and your craven enablers in the political establishment.
Give yourselves a hearty pat on the back, because you have achieved something quite remarkable â the complete destruction of a once great British industry and the loss of tens of thousands of jobs.
Because letâs get one thing absolutely clear â the decline of the steel industry is no unhappy accident, but happened as a result of deliberate policy dreamt up by eco-loons and adopted by successive governments.
Back in 2008, in a fit of environmental zeal, the Labour government, guided by the then Climate Change Secretary, Ed Miliband, decided to make British energy the most expensive in the world.
They were explicitly warned at the time that this crazy policy would do little to solve global warming but would completely destroy huge swathes of British heavy industry.
Guenther Oettinger, a German politician who was then the EUâs Energy Commissioner, warned that a target of a 25 per cent reduction in greenhouse gases would lead to the âde-industrialisationâ of Europe and the loss of thousands of jobs.
Miliband and his merry band of eco-zealots didnât care â they imposed a 50 per cent cut in greenhouse gases plus a whole range of green taxes to artificially force up the price of energy.
As a result, British firms pay twice as much for electricity as companies in France and substantially more than our competitors around the world including in Europe and the USA…
Despite all the hard work of British workers, our steel simply cannot compete on the world market because the industry has been hobbled by environmental fanatics…
So RIP British steel â an industry destroyed by mad eco-fanatics, which we couldnât save because the EU wouldnât allow us to. That is the sad state of Britain in 2016. Our ancestors, who fought and died for our liberties, must be spinning in their graves.
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/bill-carmichael-green-zealots-to-blame-for-steel-s-decline-1-7827922
heard on radio recently that some hypocritical Greens politician was at a steel workers jobs’ protest in Australia, but couldn’t find anything online. now i find this google result from today:
Hundreds march for Whyalla’s future
The Advertiser-8 hours ago
Others to address the crowd included Wakefield MP Nick Champion … ***Greens Senator Robert Simms, Liberal Senator Sean Edwards, and the …
yet all reference to Greens being present, or Simms being a Greens, has been edited out of the actual article!
Ramsey, who is told to âf*** offâ by a union member is a Liberal.
5 Apr: Adelaide Advertiser: Luke Griffiths: Hundreds march through Whyalla to raise awareness of the plight of the townâs biggest employer, Arrium
WHAT started out as a community rally to raise awareness about the plight of South Australiaâs steel industry â and thousands of local jobs â descended into political point-scoring at Whyalla on Tuesday.
Amid news of more job losses at Arrium, around 500 people gathered at Wilson Park to hear from politicians of all persuasions…
Mr Martin emphasised that the rally was for the community â despite it being union-organised and the first four speakers being ALP MPs.
Also addressing the crowd were Nick Champion, Kim Carr, Eddie Hughes, Nick Xenophon, Robert Simms, Sean Edwards, and local federal MP Rowan Ramsey…
Mr Ramsey highlighted recent measures taken by the Federal Government, such as scrapping the carbon tax and increasing the anti-dumping commissionâs resources, only to be heckled by numerous attendees and told to âf*** offâ by a flag-waving union member…
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/business/hundreds-march-through-whyalla-to-raise-awareness-of-the-plight-of-the-towns-biggest-employer-arrium/news-story/15b52363ad2c716500287337eec93a27
of course, Labor (and the unions) will never admit CAGW policies have any consequences for industry.
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Maybe it is because all these industries are in the process of becomeing owned by their creditors. To achieve loans for stock buybacks for instance,
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“hobbled by environmental fanatics⌔
Good grief!!
Then these industries should have applied for loans from non envioronmental fanatic banker/creditors.
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A Carbon environmental fanatic is slightly different from a traditional green Environmentalist
It is abhorrent to put Carbon Greens and Ordinary greens in the same hip basket..IMO, for what is it worth.
Mike
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Hmm!
I wonder if anybody has referenced Craig Emerson and his No Whyalla Wipeout song saying that his former lover’s introduction of the CO2 Tax would not prove catastrophic to the manufacturing industry, choosing to focus on Whyalla as an example.
Now conveniently forgotten, because it was Labor policy I guess.
Tony.
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Labour and Liberal boith had the same creditors
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Labor and Liberals are run by the same people…..
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Why do the left want to blame Abbott for anything and everything? I suppose next Turnbull will blame Abbott for Turnbull’s loss of popularity.
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finally found a piece on the rally i heard about on radio recently. oh the hypocrisy:
1 Apr: Illawarra Mercury: Andrew Pearson: Steel inquiry: Greensâ candidateâs steel fight is personal
Cath Blakey grew up describing her dad as a âchefâ who worked at the Port Kembla steelworks.
Now, the Illawarra Greens spokeswoman, and recently-announced federal election candidate for Cunningham, wants the government to make sure it gets the country’s steel protection recipe just right.
Ms Blakeyâs father recently retired after 40 years in the steelworks’ flat products division…
âThe steelworks has cleaned its act up a lot over the last 40 years that my dad worked there,â Ms Blakey said.
âItâs an important part of the economy in Wollongong and if we talk about links to the university and technological innovation that wonât happen if we donât have a steelworks.â…
Ms Blakey called on the government to do more to support the industry, citing the lifeline recently offered to Whyalla steelmaker Arrium…
http://www.illawarramercury.com.au/story/3825974/greens-candidates-steel-fight-is-personal/
presumably the folowing is referring to today, 5 April:
Greens.org: Governments must commit to securing survival of Whyalla steel industry
Greens Senator for South Australia Robert Simms is in Whyalla today attending a public hearing for the Senate Inquiry into the Future of Australia’s Steel Industry.
“It is critical that steelworks like Arrium in Whyalla have the support they need to continue sustainable operations into the future. Arrium is a major employer in Whyalla and the loss of steelworks manufacturing here would be devastating for the community,” Senator Simms said.
“We know Australian companies produce very high quality steel, a necessary resource that can contribute to 21st century jobs in the renewables and clean manufacturing sectors…
“The Greens call on the Government to invest in the development of greenhouse gas reducing steel making technologies and to commit to using Australian-made steel and preventing import dumping to help secure jobs and the future of the industry.”
http://greens.org.au/news/sa/governments-must-commit-securing-survival-whyalla-steel-industry
Simms not exactly concerned about steel jobs in February!
18 Feb: ABC: Taxpayers’ money may be used to support Whyalla steelmaker Arrium, SA Treasurer warns
Greens senator Robert Simms said the federal and SA governments should instead be investing in a “clean energy future” for the Whyalla region.
“Towns in the mid-north like Whyalla and Port Augusta are on their knees,” he said.
***”They need a plan that doesn’t tether them to volatile world markets so if an industry like the Arrium steelworks or the Port Augusta power station faces closure, the towns can still thrive.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-18/taxpayers-money-may-be-needed-to-help-whyalla-steelmaker-arrium/7179396
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“Australian-made steel”
Funded by any government borrowing from whom out of thin air.
And therfore can it be “australian” if the steel is produced by getting into debt.
We are living in a post privatisation world now.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-05/20-words-ecb-explains-business-model-every-central-bank
“The second highlight comes from footnote 7, which tells you all you need to know about the “business model” of all central banks, and specifically why they can never go “insolvent” – they can and will just print their way out. To wit:
“Central banks are protected from insolvency due to their ability to create money and can therefore operate with negative equity.”
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“SA governments should instead be investing in a âclean energy futureâ ”
That should read more like…….
SA governments should instead be borrowing in order to get into debt for a “clean enrergy future”.
Good grief.
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Native australian Kookaborrows Kangaborrows, Tasmanian Debtl’s, and so on.
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The Earth continuously receives 3,700 billion watts of power through the transfer of the gravitational and rotational energy of the Earth-Moon-Sun systemâ.
https://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2016/04/05/the-moon-may-play-a-major-role-in-maintaining-earths-magnetic-field/#more-26546
This may or may not be of use in the Solar Notch
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The credit must go to the Bloggers, Scientists, and those commentators who have stuck to the truth in their arguments aganst CAGW.
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Apart from the silent majority being street smart and seeing warmism for what it is, there is also the point that warmists seem odd people and are regarded as such.
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Warmists greatly outnumber us simply because of the relentless propaganda, but there is always hope.
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/abc-radio-personalities-need-to-tune-out-their-leftwing-bias-20160404-gnyfse#ixzz44wym9n8T
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Yes, a cringeworthy interview but worth watching.
No mention of the incessant Climate Change evangelism, but hey . . . same difference, really.
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When did people start being bored of rather than bored with?
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Before they began using “legit” as a synonym for “honestly”, but after they began using “sick” as a synonym of “good”.
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