Here’s the washup on the end of yet another UN COP junket. Marrakech, struck by panic, ends with a whimper, did anyone notice?
“My only worry is the money.”
Way back in that other era before the US election, delegates to the latest two-week-Olympic-junket with 200 nations in Morocco knew things could go badly. On November 4, Reuters said there was “…widespread unease”. But it wasn’t about the climate, it was “about finance …”
One delegate accidentally summed it up:
“My only worry is the money,” said Tosi Mpanu Mpanu of Democratic Republic of Congo, who heads a group of the 48 least developed nations. “It’s worrying when you know that Trump is a climate change sceptic,” he told Reuters.
Who cares about the weather, eh? The rest of the article is about the type of cash cows at stake.
Then the unthinkable happened: Trump. The panic began. Things were thrown into “disarray”. Everything was “imperiled”:
People were walking around looking pretty shellshocked,” says Dr Bill Hare, perched on a chair in the cavernous media tent at the United Nations climate talks in Morocco. “If you hugged an American there was a good chance they’d burst into tears.”
— An emotional ride, The Guardian.
Michael Kile documents some of the derailing of this gravy train:
“A third of the people here are walking around like zombies, like the walking dead, not sure what to do,” said UC Berkeley Professor Daniel Kammen, speaking from Morocco. Many believe the honeymoon is over.
In the end, there is nothing but spin, and all the momentum that $28 billion dollars a week can buy:
Each year $1.5 trillion dollars is spent on the green industry. That momentum means the Green scare machine will keep rolling for now, but it has taken a hit like no other. The Trump effect can’t be underestimated.
“Campaigners react with ‘extreme disappointment'”
‘This year’s inaction brings us one step closer to a future with a climate that is incompatible with dignified life’
Indignity, here we come.
In most media articles Paris is described as a “success”. Yet as far as the wind and oceans are concerned, the outcome in Marrakech is no different. Practically nothing.
Paris was always an enviro-fail, that achieved nothing much more than a non-binding, non-treaty, with voluntary commitments. (Although there was potentially a sting if the toothless wonder was tied to “other” legally binding deals like the TPP or domestic legislation). Paris was, however, a PR success, and Marrakech is not even that. They bluffed and puffed, and rushed to beat the Donald, but Paris “coming into force” means nothing except to the few rich silly patsy nations which are still volunteering to pay.
Even the kings of hype are struggling to make out that COP 22 was any kind of win
The pro-pro-crisis ClimateChangeNews site admit Trump owned the agenda.
Wait for it: the big two successes…
Here are the top takeaways from two weeks of crunching over the nitty-gritty of how to put the Paris Agreement into practice.
Message to Trump
On the penultimate scheduled day, the conference adopted a call for all nations (yes, you too Donald) to honour promises made in Paris and renew their attempts to stave off disaster.
The one-page document contained little new information. But it was absolutely necessary, said observers, for the conference to make a political statement of resolve after the election of a climate sceptic to the US presidency.
Righto. Top takeaway looks pretty “big” then — a one page plea to play nice?
Then there are “Ratifications galore“:
Here’s one for lovers of palindromic numbers. During the conference, 11 governments ratified the Paris climate agreement – Australia, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Djibouti, Finland, Gambia, Italy, Japan, Malaysia, Pakistan and the UK. They brought the total for November to 22 and since the beginning of September a cavalcade of 88 nations have joined the party.
Remembering that “ratification” means countries agree to turn up and put in a plan and write a report. They will get the naughty finger waived if they do not live up to the promises they set themselves. It’s that serious. And of those 88 nations, they are probably including the USA. Which as we all know will likely chop up all of Obama’s empty promises.
This is as good it gets: RenewEconomy lay out the success in all its glory:
Marrakech COP22: Climate deal emerges stronger from Trump shock, but plenty to do
They find a fellow Green traveller to quote:
“This has been a remarkable meeting of nations. Countries, states, cities, companies and others have responded with grace, vigour and guts to the election of President Trump which could have been a massive blow to climate action,” said John Connor, CEO The Climate Institute from the talks in Marrakech.
And these meetings are remarkable (I went to Bali). They are a remarkable two week funded gala love in, with a few dinners and dances too. I’m sure lots of the dedicated scientists and NGO’s people there feel like they are working hard (and listening to boring speeches), but what other science stream, industry, anything, gets a two week overseas trip with friends every single year? Olympians have to work for four years, and have no guarantees of anything.
How many degrees of warming did they prevent and how many storms did they slow?
The outcome — plans, fantasies, proclamations, and promises to “do stuff” 30 years from now:
My favourite is number 2, where Germany, Canada, and the US will have cake, eat cake, give cake, all for free… and be “competitive”.
In the aftermath of the Trump election a range of commitments and actions were taken including:
- Australia, UK, Italy, Japan, Pakistan, Malaysia and others ratified the Paris Agreement;
- Germany, Canada and the U.S published their 2050 plans to reduce their economies to near net zero emissions, manage the transition, and maximise their competitiveness in a decarbonising world;
- A 2050 platform was launched for countries, cities and companies as part of an emerging inclusive UN architecture of accountability and assistance;
- The UK published proposals to phase out its coal-fired generators by 2025, Germany’s plans include reducing 2030 emissions from energy by 61 per cent and a commission to manage the transition;
- The Climate Vulnerable Forum, 48 countries representing 1 billion people, issued a Marrakesh Vision, a plan to achieve 100 per cent domestic renewable energy as well as update post 2020 commitments and prepare 2050 strategies;
- 196 countries supported the Marrakech Action Proclamation championing the Paris Agreement as well as highlighting the urgency of action;
- Almost 400 companies, joined separately by BHP, called on President Trump not to walk away from the Paris Agreement.
Most of all, they agreed to do it all again
The most important thing for the green machine is that there will be another couple of two-week gala events paid for mostly by taxpayers all around the world. These grand theatres are important rewards for volunteers, dutiful journalists, and scientists, and a good source of press releases. Not that any nation will reveal what their taxpayers have to stump up to make this happen. I did try. But the money drains from taxpayers, is split like the Amazon delta, and then funnels back in the to UNFCCC events from a thousand directions. It would take a PhD thesis to dissect all the grants, travel allowances and departmental donations. I once asked Christopher Monckton if he could pose a question in Parliament about the size of the UK’s budget for the IPCC, which he did, but the answer was that “it would cost too much to find out” or something similarly vague.
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It’s sad that so many of their young are actually true believers.
Somehow or some way they’ve bought into the BS.
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Bought into it?
No. They’ve been subjected to the green-left propaganda from the day they started school and the day their mums taught them how to turn on a television set.
They will believe whatever they’re told. They can’t think for themselves because they’ve never been taught how to do so.
The solution is to change the behaviour of the troughers by cutting off the cash. Then they’ll get the message.
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True, I know parents who need to deprogram their children after they attend kindy. The teachers are forced to teach the climate scare. No weather that I know has exceeded the limits of the last 2 centuries anywhere on Earth and this would be a good place to start to disarm the fear
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Absolutely. Always stands reiteration here.
The variation of centennial temperature lies within 1SD and is entirely unremarkable over the last 8000 yrs.
LLoyd PJ. AN ESTIMATE OF THE CENTENNIAL VARIABILITY OF
GLOBAL TEMPERATURES. Energy & Environment · Vol. 26, No. 3, 2015
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Thought I’d hitch a ride here – Trump plans to start axing the TPP on day one on the job:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-22/trump-vows-to-withdraw-from-tpp-trade-deal/8045236
It’s what I would call a good start.
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It’s what I would call a mistake, the partnership is an extension of free trade arrangements, meaning removing trade barriers such as import duties. The extension is partner nations changing legislation and regulations to provide a level playing field for import and export.
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Sorry Dennis but I’m not that I like or believe in level playing fields. And if we gonna use annalages then lets all play by the same rules and regulations. We need to be very carefull with these trading deals. Personally I prefer individual deals with each country.
GeoffW
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Geoff I agree. One of the main planks of establishing Communism in the USA ( and elsewhere ) was free trade agreements – aka collectivism….
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Geoff I suspect that you are not over the facts, there are free trade agreements between individual nations, the partnership ensures that all nations also have the same laws and regulations relating to import and export. It’s quite simple really, unless you listen to scaremongers who traded on the secrecy during negotiations that were necessary to stop internal forces in each nation running scare campaigns before the decisions on changes were agreed upon.
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Steve, please explain what communism has to do with FREE trade agreements.
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I assume that you people understand that import duty raises the price for consumers? So FREE trade with no and exporters barriers to trade keeps prices lower for consumers, and therefore makes export goods more competitive too?
And that regulations and laws against imports also adds to the cost of compliance for importers/exporters and therefore to the price consumers pay?
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I assume Dennis understands we have a more than vague inkling of the lawsuits that have been filed by US companies under similar agreements with other nations. Yes those law suits which put corporate profiteering ahead of local legislation. We have a reasonable idea of the corporate regulatory capture in Washington DC and how the laws are designed to accommodate major corporate interests, not that of the people (of either country).
There is a decent Canadian-made series on Netflix called Continuum. It was relating to a possible future where corporations wield significantly more power than today, and a “corporate bill of rights” has been passed, giving corporation similar rights as individuals. It was fiction, but scary elements of truth.
No one has issues with the notion of free trade as taught in the safety of the classroom. The problem is when “free trade” is used as a cloak to push vested corporate interests, and playing fields are anything but level. That’s where the problems reside. Does Dennis think people here so naïve that they are convinced by politicians saying it will all be rainbows and unicorns?
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Dennis:
Axing the TPP is a mistake? No way. I will celebrate when that monstrous and obnoxious “agreement” is wiped away/shredded. If you like a “Partnership” which demolishes national democratic sovereignty, allows companies to sue governments for treading on their toes, and casts monopolies into concrete, then you can have your TPP, but don’t foist it onto me.
The tobacco companies would have the Australian federal government into court over “Plain Packaging” as soon as it could come into effect, same with NZ’s government, for ‘damaging Free Trade and impinging on Brand Copyrights.’
Why do you think it was negotiated behind closed doors?
Trump is doing us all a big favour disposing of it. Now we just have to rein in our Pollies so they don’t go overboard again with China or anyone else …
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Bulldust @ 1.1.1.1.6
Yep. Agree.
Then there’s the question of floating versus fixed exchange rates.
For example: China is manipulating its exchange rate to give it a competitive advantage over the USA (and Australia). Tell me how a free trade agreement ties that off. It doesn’t AFAIK. Tariff barriers and non-tariff barriers are only a part of the story.
There are other serious issues as well; power costs for industry is one of them. Take China again, the cost of energy is somewhere around 1/3rd the cost in Australia. How does it manage to achieve that? Well we all know the answer but nobody in Canberra (and especially that joke of a PM Turnbull) wants to hear it.
Free trade is just the start.
Hopefully Donald Trump will give the western world leaders a lesson in common-sense.
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China joined the SDR (Special Drawing Rights) currencies not too long ago. There will be pressure on them for properly float their currency sooner or later. I imagine it will be a speculators dream when that occurs.
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You reminded me of a comment I read some time ago posted by a person who had just been visiting an elderly relative in a nursing home, the relative said to be an adult lifetime Liberal voter. The relative was criticising PM Abbott describing him as a failure and repeating what were very obviously MSM spin. When asked why she thought Abbott was a failure she responded that it is all she hears on ABC radio and television.
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*forehead palm*
Yeah its scary how many people just parrot MSM nonsense……
Put another way – in the former yugoslavia, people who had lived peacefully next to religiously different neighbours for decades turned on each other.
So what changed? Nationalism? Propaganda?
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Spinning stories is the master work of mainstream media…
Here is a few examples of how the media changes narratives to achieve a different story to put out to the public.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro8BzWwYEvE
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Speaking of people buying into it, I just had a colleague (a well published Geochemist, no less) who started the morning conversation with ‘The Arctic is 20 degrees warmer than it should be’.
He was unable to come up with a response when asked ‘is that sea temperature, air temperature, or land temperature?’, ‘Which part of the Arctic?’, and ‘Does it apply to everywhere within the Arctic circle?’.
I am perpetually disappointed by these obviously smart people who suffer so badly from cognitive dissonance.
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Well, the North Pole is seeing very warm weather for this time of year (about 20C above normal). On the other hand, Siberia is experiencing weather as much as 42C colder than usual. So what happens if we homogenize the temperatures? 🙂
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/capital-weather-gang/wp/2016/11/18/while-the-north-pole-warms-beyond-the-melting-point-its-freakishly-cold-in-siberia/
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I looked at the temperature of a number of stations at roughly 80 deg N. The temperature for October was normal for the season. Which temperature measurement stations show a temperature 20 deg C above normal?
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The meme that is accepted with question, is that the ice at the North Pole indicates global temperature trends.
Where is the evidence that the ice amount at the Arctic is an indicator of global temperature, surely like all temperatures it is only a local effect?
Where are the historical records? Where is the research showing over the centuries as global temperature varies so does Arctic sea ice?
There is none, it is yet another climate catastrophe myth.
Just because Hansen said it was so back in the 1980s, people have believed it.
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‘….people have believed it.’
Yes they have, something to do with grandchildren and political correctness in polite society.
This is not a local weather phenomenon, there is a weakening of the polar vortex at both poles, allowing the high pressure belts which girdle the world to move polewards. Which then pushes the polar vortex, jet stream, and polar front towards the equator.
‘The jet stream is seen to “buckle” and deviate south. This rapidly brings cold dry air into contact with the warm, moist air of the mid latitudes, resulting in a rapid and dramatic change of weather known as a cold snap.’ wiki
Its also called a ‘cold air outbreak’ and it feels like the new normal, for at least a couple of decades.
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My annoyance is the endless repeating that for some reason Arctic sea ice amounts (volumes or areas) are important.
The ice’s importance as far as I can see is in telling us what, in the main, is the seas around the ice doing, and to a lesser extent what the wind and atmosphere is doing. It shows a local effect only. As as a climate indicator it is useful as charting the variation in volume of fog in San Francisco.
I simply can not see any mechanism by which Arctic ice indicates climate trends as asserted by Hansen. And if it is so important why hasn’t this mechanism for the ice to climate connection been established and explained.
No! It is simply another AGW false idol.
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It’s only good for a G&T. I have no idea why ice at the poles is so valued, it’s forever drilled and explored by scientists & masochists but it just occupies good agricultural land.
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This is the recording that shows arctic air temperature is unusually high:
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/plots/meanTarchive/meanT_2016.png
It is one of the DMI graphs.
By contrast snow accumulation in Greenland is at record levels:
http://www.dmi.dk/uploads/tx_dmidatastore/webservice/b/m/s/d/e/accumulatedsmb.png
Twenty years ago this would be weather. Now it is Climate Change. Anything one standard deviation outside a 30 year average is attributed to Climate Change when the temperature is high – 30 years is chosen because the majority of people cannot remember back that far. If the temperature is low it is natural variance. If weather causes damage or loss, whether hot or cold it is also Climate Change or more correctly termed Climate Disruption. When you deal with an alternate reality you have to be careful with the terminology.
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Homogenizing, hiding, and/or ignoring unwanted experimental data became a well-developed technique worldwide after nations and national academies of sciences were united on 24 OCT 1945 . . .
The secret to “97% consensus science!”
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It’s not the numbers which concerned me the most, it was that the person didn’t seem to bother to look at details, or apparently even think much about it. the key message was ‘the Arctic was 20 degrees above normal, and humans are responsible’, and at that, the thought processes seemed to end.
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In the trade its generally known as a climate change tipping point, the green leftoid blob think the time is nigh.
https://sunshinehours.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/global_sea_ice_extent_2016_day_322_1981-2010.png
That’s the irony, global cooling has unofficially begun.
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If the Siberian high settles over the Balkans next week and then moves west, there is a reasonable chance that the Thames will freeze.
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James,
Very naughty of you to ask questions. You are supposed to believe any crap that is thrown at you …no arguments, just pay your taxes to the New World Government.
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‘It’s sad that so many of their young are actually true believers.’
Which is weird because in their whole lifetime temperatures have been flat, the power of propaganda through the media and education system has worked a treat on simple minds.
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I am grateful to Trump and to all the climate skeptics for finally ending the UN’s charade of pseudo-scientific totalitarianism.
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Mr. Trump faces a formidable task of governing this nation without a reliable body of scientists to give him advice on scientific and technical matters.
The National Academy of Sciences disqualified itself by allowing Dr. Ralph Cicerone, a climatologist, to preside over NAS and turn every federal research agency into advocates of false AGW propaganda.
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There is a reliable body of scientists to give him advice – they just aren’t in government. Come to think of it, Mr. Trump’s expertise and knowledge isn’t in government, so he probably already has reliable scientific advice. And one must recall that “The Donald’s” comments on the twin towers going down was “they must have been blown, they were built to sturdy to just fall,” or words to that affect. He has an intuitive grasp of science and, more importantly, a grasp of blatant bovine droppings, and can tell them apart.
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Yes, Mr. Trump displayed an intuitive grasp of science in seeing flaws in the official
_ 1. AGW story
_ 2. 9/11 story
But he needs a simple IQ test for potential science advisors to see if they understand the difference between Einstein’s E = mc^2 and Weizsacker’s flawed definition of nuclear binding energy.
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Hey Oliver…
I put in an application into the Trump transition team and will let you know how it goes…
Take care my friend,
Joe
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Thanks, Joe. Here is a 2-question IQ test for Presidential Science Advisors: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/IQ_TEST_FOR_SCIENCE_ADVISOR.pdf
Answers (b,b) do not qualify to pass the eight grade.
Answers (a,b) qualified to be Secretary of DOE under Obama, not science advisor to Trump.
Answers (a,a) meet minimum requirement for serving the nation as Science Advisor to President Trump.
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Hi Oliver,
I don’t believe in either due to energy is variable in objects and change the density with rotational motion. Even our planetary wobble can be attributed to an imbalance of mass as the Sun’s orbital off gases try to correct our planetary shape into an orb. The closer to the sun, the more confined the gases as they spread and expand with distance…Hence, the different rotations of planets that are directly in sequence with the Sun’s rotation and distance with pressure differences.
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If you know that rest mass is a measurable thermodynamic state function, rather than a calculatable thermodynamic path function, you will at least suspect that:
_ 1. CO2 is nutricious plant food, not an air pollutant
_ 2. Hydrogen is a solar waste product, not solar fuel
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Rest mass, and mass in general, has nothing to do with thermodynamics. It is defined as the quantity of matter in a given physical body, that’s all.
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A,B is the correct answer if the notations inside the graph are correct. The mass of iron is clearly higher than the mass of hydrogen, or of a lone neutron. So I cannot choose the cup in front of me.
However, the labels on the graph show increasing energy with height. In addition, uranium, gold, and lead are clearly more massive then iron, so this chart simply does not measure atomic mass, and therefore resting energy. Clearly, I cannot choose the cup in front of you.
Over 3,000 different isotopes? Huh. Learn something every day.
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Trump is going to stop NASA wasting funds on this BS global warming scam and refocus them on returning to the Moon……..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3954980/America-heading-moon-experts-say-Trump-presidency-likely-make-manned-lunar-missions-springboard-Mars.html#comments
GO TRUMP !!!!!!
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Trump may discover the US is no longer capable of going to the Moon. It is my understanding that the Apollo program was cancelled in an agreement that Kissinger negotiated in 1971 between the USA, China and Russia to end the space race and rely on Russian rockets for future space travel.
As I recall, the USA now relies on Russian for travel to the “International Space Station.”
Henry Kissinger is still alive and can clarify that agreement Himself if not at another Bilderberg Conference of one-world leaders.
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“JFK put a man on the moon, Obama put a man in the little girls room”…
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I have a solution.
Divert the next COP conference to the Central Kempsey Caravan Park. Meals are available at the pub till the middle of the evening, after that there are chips and nuts available at the counter. Caravan accommodation can be shared to deepen the sense of community while saving energy; any overflow can camp out in the nearby cow-paddocks for a full plein air experience (limited high ground available).
Inform attendees that the following COP, if required, will be in Detroit (Eastside).
The climate will be declared cured.
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Naw, they will merely say “it’s worse than we thought!”
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Then it would be interesting to see what dictators come along with their hands out for a handout.
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I should add that there will be salt-and-vinegar chips as well as plain available at the pub; moreover there will be unsalted and BBQ flavour peanuts in addition to the standard ones (while stocks last).
I don’t think these added luxuries will be enough to maintain the passion of the climate movement. It is doubtful they will wish, after Central Kempsey ’17, to move on to Detroit (Eastside) in ’18.
Never mind. They’ll always have Paris. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o
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All delegates to any future COP to be self-funded. That should cut down on emissions, whether good or bad.
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Sorry, Annie, but the term “self-funded” is to be removed from the Macquarie Dictionary and all international bodies will be banned from translating it. Moreover, “misogyny” is to be officially extended to cover anyone using the term “self-funded” in relation to such international bodies. The fear is that Christine Lagarde might have to pay income tax or the OECD might have to leave its chateau near the Bois de Boulogne. It could even force IPCC members, all of whom are frequent fliers, into business class.
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[So apt. mosomoso – Jo]
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The Bois de Boulogne is rather infamous for being a location where certain services are offered by people of varying gender, and paid for by the hour… now I think I know why…
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I’ll wait to see what actually happens (keeping my fingers crossed).
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Margaret Smith @ # 4
Possibly one of the wisest comments made so far about the whole American, European, climate and international treaty situations as they stand at this moment, Margaret.
None of us mere mortals, which of course excludes Climate alarmists, self styled [ non qualified and just plain unqualified ] Climate scientists and climate modellers, can ever know or ever predict the future.
So one of the questions I am now puzzling just a little over but think I know the answer is ;
Why is it right at this time in history has somebody like Trump, a non politician at any level and who was completely unforeseen by anybody, suddenly burst onto the world political and international stage in such a truly amazing and spectacular fashion and has then gone on to achieve the most powerful political position in the world of today, all in such a spectacularly short period of time?
Somebody so out of left field and so spectacularly different to the standard set of Russian dolls that has passed as politicians everywhere for some past decades has to be responding to something that was and had been festering deep in the psyche of an entire nation and it seems now it might also be the case in many other western nations.
The appearance of “Trump” I think, is a spectacular response to the increasingly fragile contract between the rulers and the ruled in western democracies.
A contract that has been almost completely nullified by the steadily mounting hubris and arrogance and dismissal of the ruled as mere pawns in the various political power struggles of the born to rule elitism of the well paid upper and political classes.
“Trump” in another time and another place where the rulers and the ruled knew and respected their responsibilities to one another and kept that contract and those responsibilities, would never have got beyond nominating for political office.
He would have been outed in the very first step on the political road.
But today when the contract between the ruled and the rulers has to all intents and purposes been ignored, torn up and casually tossed aside by the increasingly arrogant and hubris driven rulers in their rapidly escalating elitism, then a “Trump” like political figure from outside of the political tent, one who could and would piss into the tent in a spectacular fashion instead of the old political has beens who merely piddled ineffectually outside of the tent onto their constituents, was going to emerge as the newly empowered people’s choice.
The times were not ready for Palin but she shook the establishment rather severely. But the political establishment in its arrogance and elitism learn’t nothing from the Palin experience.
The times change and the political and social times of today were made for the emergence of a “Trump” type political figure
As Margaret above has commented; “Lets wait and see”.
But even if “Trump” fails, none of the politicals, none of the media or what will be left of the old media after Trump has worked it over, can ever walk away again and just abandon the America that elected Trump without the ever present threat that they too will be savagely relegated or worse to the chopping block of political and ideological failures.
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ROM – All in all very good speech. BUT – on Palin, I beg to differ, I say she is an [snip], it isn’t the media that made her one. She did, however, shake things up, yes. And unfortunately, given that we are all human and easily distracted, the same-old same-old news and politics could easily slip back into the media and politics. Right now it’s making a gasp for air, trying to claw its way back to the surface with serious articles on how screwed we all are – the USofA as well as the world – because the Donald is an amateur and an [snip].
Trump must do a good job, or else we are doomed to go back to the mess we had/still have. I am hoping he does well by the US, and the world, but I fear these politicos in Washington are used to standing in piss, and worse, as their policies and pronouncements are surely full of it.
[Mari, We don’t mind your low opinion of Palin or Trump. But we discourage name calling. It adds nothing useful to the conversation. As for trump, if you could support what you said about him I would allow it. If you avoid what I snipped you won’t end up in moderation.] AZ
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ROM.
On a “Spy v Spy” basis, the protagonists for this election were the “Educated” v the “Uneducated”. The Bookworms v The Workers.
To save the world, Trump must convince a great many of the “Educated” that they have been conned. So far he seems to be on track, but Marxism is a dedicated cause and will not withdraw willingly. Especially when they have come so close to achieving their goal of demolishing the capitalist system.
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There is only one thing it is fit to line the bottom of.
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Loved this quote:
No….it’ll probably line the bottom of the budgie cage. And be more use.
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Now that Mr. Obama has no use for his army of straw men (one hopes they will survive like the terra cotta army in China, to fuel a thousand historian’s PhDs) perhaps the Donald can borrow a few. The quickest way to change (or mostly confirm) public opinion to climate change is to set up a typical Obama false choice for every major government expenditure, Like: ‘We can fix your highways, or subsidize another failed solar plant’. ‘We can invest in minority capitalism in your city, or send a bunch of upper class university folks on a two week party’. We can make progress at the VA, or subsidize the Liberal Uri Gellers of the world to bend the curve of history some more’…. It’s a mode of argument we’ve become all too familiar with.
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We can always feed the straw men to some deserving rancher’s cattle. I hear there are a number of them in Nevada now that the Bureau of Land Management has decided to fool around with their longstanding permission to graze on all the unused federal land. Then historians wouldn’t need to grapple with any questions about straw men.
The other option would be to use them to make adobe bricks. But that’s an outdated method of building these days.
A fire would be too dangerous. So I think the cattle win.
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Roy
I read a comment on a blog in Australia that declared “Trump has accumulated nearly all of the raw materials for the Mexican wall, from people sh*tting bricks over the election result.
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Now what blog might that be? I cannot see any self respecting blog saying anything of the sort. 😉
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It’s going to be very interesting the next 4 years. I don’t want Trump just to defund the US portion of this scam. I want his team to work to expose it in a way that sinks their ship. I want Gavin and some others on the government payroll brought before congress to testify under oath in detail about their adjustments to the temperature record. I want them to explain in detail why their surface temperature data is diverging ever more from the satellite and radiosonde data. I want NOAA and the GISS climate people before congress together and I want them to explain how increasing surface temperatures indicate climate change when the UN IPCC declared the warmth should appear in the upper troposphere. I want to know why the hot spot never appeared and how that failure does not falsify the climate change hypothesis.
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Don’t worry. With the USA not sending money the scam will start to unravel even faster. Other countries won’t want to increase the amount they throw down the drain as the taxpayers will get upset (more than usual).
Congress will become more mallible because the President’s known position will encourage others with doubts to speak out. Gavin has already said that he won’t work under Trump so his days are numbered, as are those of any other public servant taking the same line. He may not even have time to attend Congressional hearings between investigations about obtaining money by deception, but others will line up to explain his actions etc. resulting in awkward publicity for the EU and the UN.
Trump will want money for his infra-structure rebuilding and ten billion or so removed will unsettle the science. A massive cut to the EPA staffing will deliver more, and probably result in improved protection for nature. Univerities (and others) looking for grants won’t be so eager to sprout alarmist headlines to newspapers once they realise it no longer works. The whole system will crumble and a number of “eminent scientists” will flood the academic market overseas, leading to resentment and division, so Climatology won’t be a happy ship.
Best of all it won’t take much effort for Trump to start the landslide.
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Well Trump has appointed Myron Ebell to the EPA, and he is an arch-sceptic. This is sending shock waves through the US climate establishment.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/donald-trump-myron-ebell-are-climate-deniers-dream-team-heres-why-1592338
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What is the definition of “arch”?
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Chief, principal as in arch rogue, arch villain and even archangel. From the Greek archos, chief, leader.
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Or even Archbishop.
The meanings of words have been lost to many, but the etymology of language is important.
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Myron Ebell is sending that thrill up and down my leg that our numbskull commentator on NBC, Chris Mathews spoke so “eloquently” about not all that long ago. Only mine is real and his was probably from the desperate need of a restroom visit he couldn’t get while on the air.
I’m loving every minute of this particular complaint.
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MSNBC, not NBC.
How easy it is to type one when you mean the other.
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The gravy train reached its last stop,
At the climate-change Marrakech C.O.P.,
As the world can’t afford,
To keep warmists on board,
If the U.S. gives funding the chop.
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Ruairi,
I hope this is prophetic and we do indeed chop climate change funding out of our budget, no matter where it’s found, UN, NASA/GISS or anywhere else.
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Santa Clause has started a list, and he’s checking twice, and has much more to add.
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A Santa in the US has already been sacked for telling a child Hillary Clinton was on his naughty list.
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Hey Ruariri,
jest keep on
chippin’away.
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Sorry re the x-tra ‘r’ Ruairi.
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Sounded like you were trying to start an engine. 🙂
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😉
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It’s the first time I have read the phrase “climate security”. Scary. The idea that we may be killed at any time by international climate terrorists using CO2. They should really be afraid of the billions of large ruminant animals which output methane, CH4 which is 30x as bad as a greenhouse gas.
Australia has 1,000,000 big feral camels. Beef cattle are down to a low 30 million. Sheep, 75 million down from 170 million. Dairy cattle 3 million. 3.3 million pigs and 60 million kangaroos. They also output CO2 of course and dwarf the human population. Sheep, camels, cattle, goats, pigs are all new to Australia and they do not pay taxes, breed irresponsibly and so are the real climate criminals, threatening “climate security”.
Oh, the humanity. Our world threatened with destruction by our lunch. Only the Greens can save us. In the days of the internet, the sacrifice of making the long jet trip to luxury lunches in Marrakesh is viewed with gratitude. Especially Malcolm Turnbull’s applauded committment to the Paris Climate Agreement as he heads to being the least popular Prime Minister in Australian history, adored only by his loyal followers and the ABC who would never vote for him. Bring back Tony Abbott. At least he cheered at the election of Donald Trump.
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It was embarrassing to see Malcolm trying to get a selfie with Obama, his hero. He has trouble getting a phone call through to Trump. Yesterday’s man with yesterday’s ideas. Still better than Shorten’s devastating description of soon to be President Trump as ‘barking mad’.
While Abbott’s warning about uncontrolled migration and his response to Climate ‘Crap’ has seem him shine on the international stage as a man of vision, Turnbull is clinging to his Green beliefs and in total contradiction to the core principles of Australia’s conservative Liberal party. NSW Premier Mike Baird and the Nationals are only starting to realise that the electorate is very angry at their slavish and inexplicable devotion to the Green minority.
Stop the windmills, I want to get off.
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TURNCOAT & OBAMA !
http://pickeringpost.com/story/peruvian-lovefest-with-a-black-fella/6664
Remind me. Which side of politics is Turnbull?
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/remind-me-which-side-of-politics-is-turnbull/news-story/4b60f82a57cd4f826f4c8163aa461c42
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Drain the billabong . . .
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I’m sure we could help, kill 800,000 of those camels, maybe keep the kangaroo population the same as human 25 Mill or so Kill all those whales who acidify and actually poo in the ocean! Talk about pollution… Not to mention koalas that actually exude hydrocarbons!
Perhaps we should actually deal with the evil,evil species that are the top of the food chain and therefore emits the most CO2 planet wide…
Oh it’s not a good time to be a termite or a bacterium!
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Only $28 billion dollars a week? I’ll bet Obama could spend that much in less than a day.
So why worry? It’s all funny money anyway. Just keep printing it and spending it. It’s everlasting Fat-dumb-and-happy Land. At least until the piper presents his invoice. 🙁
More to the point, it looks like it’s sinking in that the game is ending. And it could not possibly be happening to a more deserving group of people. 🙂
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Dumb? America has twice the economy of China, Japan or Germany. It is huge. California alone has the GDP of Germany. You would think America was on the point of collapse but it is the engine of the world and they are clever, extremely hard working and the inventors of so much in the last hundred years. As for fat, most are not but they have plenty of good, fresh food and like every country, the poorer you are, the more you eat. The rich are skinny. American dollars are more valuable than gold.
No, America remains the hope of the world and the emergence of Trump is a signal that the nonsense period is over. A rapproachment with Putin, extraction from the Middle East, a serious talk with China about dumping and expansion and a plan to rebuild the rust belt and coal mines and energy sufficiency are all long overdue. Mass economic migration too. People who cannot make their own countries work cannot dump their families and their demands on the US public purse or the UK. The Trump effect will change Europe and possibly Australia too. He is the harbinger of the popular revolt against Green dictators.
Here in Australia, we suffer greatly from the excesses of the Green dreamers, largely public servants like the ABC (who deny they work for anyone), the CSIRO and all the teachers and universities, people utterly dependent on the hard work of others. America is breaking free of that and Washington is in total shock. 98.3% voted for Hilary and they have been told unequivocally, Washington is not America. They are just public servants and work for the people of the United States. Trump’s election was a nightmare for the establishment and a dream for everyone else.
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I make an exception for Russia, where there is no food. The poorer you are, the skinnier you are. It is the one country where a single thin slice of bread is a menu item with a price.
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TdeF,
You are of course correct. But still, that position in the world is not guaranteed and we need to rescue many of our critical institutions from the rot the left has spread around so profligately.
As for this statement,
It was indeed a nightmare for a lot of our establishment types. But consider this. Now that Trump has won it looks to me that the whole of Wall Street has become an enemy of the people. Yet we depend so much on the markets there that their undoing will be a monumental disaster. I know that since Trump looked like being elected my net worth has dropped with every monthly statement. We dare not throw out the baby with the bath water. My broker keeps reassuring me but this time around I have a bad feeling that doesn’t go away. And I can only wait and see.
So what looks so strong (and I wish was that strong) may not be all that strong unless Trump acts very carefully. And so far he’s bee a giant ax chopping away at everything in his path. Some of his appointments do not look good for a part of the population that he should be giving more consideration to — veterans and the VA system for one.
I’ve said this before. It’s not sufficient to know what you want to tear down. You must also know what you’re going to replace those things with and they have to work right out of the starting gate. And what Trump will ultimately do is still an unknown.
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Roy
“I’ve said this before. It’s not sufficient to know what you want to tear down. You must also know what you’re going to replace those things with and they have to work right out of the starting gate.”
IIRC Churchill had some words about “something of value”
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Yes, in many cases Trump is promising to tear down only what has been recently crafted by the extreme left of politics, like the TPP, the Iran agreement, the arming of ‘rebels’ in Syria, the funding of the disastrous ‘Arab spring’. As for Mexico and the wall, there is already a wall but the significant statement was not really that he would build one, but that Mexico would bear the responsibility for controlling their own borders.
We in Australia had the same problem with Indonesia so Abbott first made sure he had a good relationship with the Indonesian governmnet which underpinned his efforts. If people smugglers are not paying off facilitators in the Indonesian military and police, they could never operate. The phone tapping of the wife of the PM which so harmed our good relations was authorized by the previous Labor government, as was moving people to Nauru.
The extreme left policies of the left, global warming, windmills, solar farms, painting Russia as the eternal problem and China as the reliable friend are going to be changed. It is about time. Across the world. It is time bureaucrats had their right to legislate revoked. After 16 years of Clinton & Obama, the world needs a change. How much good was done in those 16 years. Not much, but the harm is beyond measure and has economically crippled prosperous America, from coal to gas to fracking to heavy industry.
The EU in particular is a case of unknown, unnamed and unelected Brussels powerful bureaucrats writing 60% of laws in Britain. 10,000 of these people earn more than the British PM or the US President. This is going to end. Trump is just the start of a popular revolt against total government interference in society, from safe spaces to LGBTIQ.. laws. We need the same cleanout in Australia. Effete Malcolm and Malcolm’s Liberals have to go. (effete: a disapproving term meaning decadent and self-indulgent, even useless.)
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Roy, Mate …. Don’t worry so much. Trum is a property mogul, he is not going to do anything that would risk that. It’s the same with the clintons in a big way, neither is going to do stuff that will dilute their own fortune.
Despite the jitters, the markets will get with the program as they always do, the tax cut is going to be enormously stimulating particularly for full-time jobs. The budget cuts in green boondoggles and redeployment into actually useful infrastructure will set the USA up for the future and the removal of the green tariff and low energy costs will bring industry back to the USA.
It’s us here in Australia that need to be worried, with energy 1/3rd of Aus, 1/2 the corporate tax rate and continued decay of Australian infrastructure it’s my nest egg that’s under threat by the US Locomotive that’s headed headlong down the track right into our economy.
Why do you think they were so worried at Morocco – Climate change is driven as a leveller it’s a planned economy mechanism to reduce the capacity gap between the first and third worlds we get diverted onto unproductive green claptrap while the third world is allowed to have the cost advantage and the focus. It’s a mechanism to stop the west competing on a level playing field, to shift our industry to the third world. If we refuse to play the game then we win – big time.
In fact Roy, I am seriously considering moving in next to you…
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Cannot agree. Trump has property, not just cash. I think nine golf courses. Endless towers, real estate, 515 subsidiaries and entities with 264 of them bearing his name and anotehr 54 including his initials. It has global investments.
From Wikipedia..
“The Trump Organization spans a wide variety of industries including real estate, construction, hospitality, entertainment, book and magazine publishing, media, model management, retail, financial services, board game development, food and beverages, business education, online travel, airlines, helicopter air services and beauty pageants. It owns a New York television production company that produces television programs including the reality television program, The Apprentice. The company also engages in retailing, having at various times sold fashion apparel, jewelry and accessories, books, home furnishings, lighting products, bath textiles and accessories, bedding, home fragrance products, small leather goods, barware, steaks, chocolate bars, and bottled spring water.”
He does not need to live in the White House and real estate is a limited commodity. Where Hilary said they were broke after their all expenses paid 8 years in the White House, Trump does not need to live there and is content with a $1 salary.
Does anyone consider he might be telling the truth? He actually cares about America. Most importantly, he is not another lawyer. Who would think a cowboy actor like Reagan might change the world? Trump might be made of the same stuff. He certainly does not need the job.
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Tdef,
I was just making the point that Trump has no motive to do the sort of economic damage that the green hangers on live by (Diverting productive money to unproductive financing of social justice warriers). Unlike a lot of green/labor politicians destroying the economy does not advantage him so he is not going to damage the economy that supports his businesses. I anticipate a bit a golden age in the US just due to self interest.
In general though if Trump did the things to support the economy that would in turn support his businesses that would be a good thing for the rest of America other than the trough slurping rent seekers and SJWs.
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My point is that unlike the Clintons, he is not broke, does not need the job and is making a great personal sacrifice to take it. His personal life, his entire life is laid out in public. Recordings from a decade ago are released at the right time and who records that stuff anyway? He is not a saint and Mother Teresa could not run a country. Basically, I cannot see how he gets any commercial advantage from the job. Perhaps like so many successful people, he just wants to give back to the country what the country has given to him and his family? Is there any reason to ascribe more selfish motives? Not that I can see. The Clintons however always wanted to be rich and to use the system and privilege to get rich. The Clinton Foundation will have stopped dead, now that they no longer have political power. I think Trump will pardon them. No country wants that laundry washed in public.
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I have a good idea.Just level Washington and all the “Leftards”who live there.Trump Towers could be the”New White House”.
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Tearing down an unconstitutional concentration of power in the U.S. federal government will return power to the states per the 10th amendment to the Constitution. But will the states reassert their proper role? Some will, including many, if not most, of the red states that voted Republican. who have been trying to do that in the face of tyranny from Washington DC. States such as North Carolina, Texas, Alabama, West Virginia are ready.
Blue states, not so much. Their worship is an idolatry of government, and it has led to all kinds of evil and dysfunction. California, Massachusetts, Washington (state) come to mind. If the blue state Progressives would stay in their failed states instead of bringing their foul idolatries with them into red states, then the red states would better be able to maintain their constitutional roles. If they leave their failed ideas behind, then they are welcome.
The real problem is the lack of moral and spiritual insight and self control of the American people, in both red and blue states. Our founder George Washington said, “It is impossible to govern rightly without God and the Bible.” Our founder John Adams said, “Our government is made for a moral and spiritual people. It is wholly inadequate for the government of any other.”
Only a spiritual awakening to the God of the Bible can restore America and the American people. And for that I pray.
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I just hope the emphasis is on fixing the science first and to get a few prominent warmist scientists on board. Many might accept the truth for the same reason they accept the lie: they want to keep their job.
Unless the science is corrected and properly settled, the rest of the world will continue down the insane path of self destruction and the left won’t disengage from the broken science. Both of these must happen or else the problem will not go away, especially if the science is ‘fixed’ by executive action.
Did Obama’s executive actions forcing acceptance of the lie make skeptics stop being skeptical about the conclusions of the IPCC? If anything, it had the exact opposite effect.
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That would help a lot. If the public at large can hear the real science from someone with an authoritative position it could change minds by the thousands. Let’s face it argument from authority remains a big force, regardless of its being a fallacy.
Everyone converted to understanding the real facts instead of the invented ones is to everyone’s benefit.
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“change minds by the thousands”
I would say by the tens of millions.
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I think they should do what Campbell Newmann did to Anna Bligh’s partner, Keep the global warmists around and give them the mission of shutting down their departments. I would love to see Gavin Schmidt charged with shutting down GISS.
I would also declare that CAGW is a political issue and classify greenpiss and other AGW hangers on like WWF, OXFAM properly as political organisations, until they get off the AGW gravy train. I would also classify the numerous shame and certify scams ( eg Halal, and the many greenpiss and wwf “green cetifications”) these organisations run as “Commercial Activities” and force them to become companies and be regulated as such.
That should go for Australia too.
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What was that green certification – Carbon Free Sugar!
Sucrose = C12H22O11
Isn’t it interesting that carbon free sugar is H22O11 or 11 x (H2O) pure water, so carbon free sugar is so common it flows from your tap.
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“I would love to see Gavin Schmidt charged with shutting down GISS.”
It would be more satisfying to see him forced to accept the truth and redirect GISS into studying space which was their original charter and has since morphed into studying change. Funny how space has little to do with anything they are doing where they refuse to use the best satellite data we have and instead rely on sparse surface data tortured into submission.
They can still study change and probably should, because they clearly don’t know why it happens.
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“They can still study change and probably should, because they clearly don’t know why it happens.”
Perhaps more exciting studying it from the sidelines?
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He is not giving in to the lamebrain media.
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““My only worry is the money,” said Tosi Mpanu Mpanu of Democratic Republic of Congo,”
Don’t fret, dear boy, China will be more than willing to help you build some decent COAL-FIRED power stations.
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ps, His only problem is that the Chinese will make sure the money is spent on the power station, and not get significantly diverted into Tosi’s pocket….
.. ie its not “climate™” money.
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I think the rich West should export all its 300,000 windmills. They do not need them. Really the selfishness of putting the windmills in the most energy rich countries is beyond contempt.
Australia has endless coal. India has nothing much and needs windmills. Most of Africa too. So we are refusing to mine our coal and the previous Victorian Labor government stopped the export of $400Million of brown coal to india because the water would be removed and it was made ‘blacker’. The campaign by the Melbourne ‘Age’ denied energy to people who need it most.
Now the Greens are trying to stop the Adani mine with lawfare and make the Indians get their coal somewhere else. Why? Why do the poorest countries, the most needy have to suffer to indulge the selfish views of public servants and rich activists in Australia? It turning off coal in South Australia going to benefit anyone at all or ‘wreck the joint’? Where are these ‘Green’ jobs, this Green society. As Noel Pearson says on the front of the Australian today, it is the ABC itself which is racist, content to have aborigines live short, lives of great suffering, keeping them in their place. They seem to have the same view of India.
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I was interested to know if the Australia’s Chief Scientist had responded to Senator Roberts, or if the CSIRO or BOM have responded to the Senators report and provided the empirical evidence that he requested ? I also note also that Turnbull Government Minister, Greg Hunt has recently made specific research directives to the CSIRO, and i would be interested in your views on that. Thank you for all your work.
[ANS: Not that I know of yet. I’m sure we will all hear when they do and the media will just report that (insert expert) “explained all his errors”. What we won’t get is real discussion of the actual “errors” – Jo]
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Just on that point, I’ve been trying to meet with Sen. Roberts to try to help him become a bit more targeted. Like most sceptics it’s the scientific errors he focuses on but he needs to be focusing on breaking down the equally broken moral and economic narrative. The scientific argument (“The Science” as warmists have it) is already lost – they know it. CAGW is a now only a moral stick that the hard left uses to beat the horses (us) into submission. It’s about time we broke that stick.
As I said before
To the UN the west is a huge pinata stuffed with money that they beat with a stick until the money falls out. They really don’t care about the western people hanging onto the pinata that are bleeding and dying from the constant beatings.
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Going to plan. Malcolm is well aware of the moral and economic implications…plays the long game.
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I would still like a meeting scaper…
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Jo, the IPCC is not done yet. The junkets will continue to Dublin, Monte Carlo, Bali, until the funds stop flowing.
At its 43rd Session (Nairobi, Kenya, 11 – 13 April 2016), the IPCC Panel decided to prepare a special report on climate change, desertification, land degradation, sustainable land management, food security, and greenhouse gas fluxes in terrestrial ecosystems. The Special Report will be developed under the joint scientific leadership of Working Groups I, II and III supported by the WG III TSU. The meeting to scope the Special Report will be held on 13 – 16 February 2017 in Dublin, Ireland.
At its 43rd Session (Nairobi, Kenya, 11 – 13 April 2016), the IPCC Panel decided to prepare a special report on climate change and the oceans and the cryosphere. The Special Report will be developed under the joint scientific leadership of Working Groups I, II and III with support from the WGII TSU. The meeting to scope the Special Report will be held on 6 – 9 December 2016 in Monte Carlo, Monaco.
Other meetings:
13 Dec – 16 Dec: TFI – 14th Editorial Board Meeting for the IPCC Emission Factor Database (Bali, Indonesia)
Following the decision of the panel at its 43rd Session to accept the invitation from the UNFCCC, at its 44th Session, the Panel approved the outline of Global Warming of 1.5 °C, an IPCC special report on the impacts of global warming of 1.5 °C above pre-industrial levels and related global greenhouse gas emission pathways, in the context of strengthening the global response to the threat of climate change, sustainable development, and efforts to eradicate poverty. A call for nominations of authors was issued to Governments and Observer Organizations on 31 October 2016. The Governments and Observer Organizations are requested to submit nominations via their focal points before Sunday, 11 December 2016 (midnight CEST) using the online application.
Aren’t we already at least 1 degree above pre-industrial levels? But just watch these gravy trainers identify the disasters another 0.5 degrees of warming will unleash.
The IPCC is currently in its Sixth Assessment cycle. During this cycle, the Panel will produce three Special Reports, a Methodology Report on national greenhouse gas inventories and the Sixth Assessment Report (AR6). And they have a Strategic Planning Schedule for AR6 (updated: 6 Oct 2016). The 43rd Session of the IPCC held in April 2016 agreed that the AR6 Synthesis Report would be finalized in 2022 in time for the first UNFCCC global stocktake when countries will review progress towards their goal of keeping global warming to well below 2 °C while pursuing efforts to limit it to 1.5 °C. The three Working Group contributions to AR6 will be finalized in 2021.
So the gravy train continues. All aboard!!
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“So the gravy train continues”. But how far will it get when the fuel supply starts drying up?
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By James Delingpole
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/14/trumps-war-green-blob-richer-happier-freer/
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You are right The climate [[snip]change pushers] will do everything to denigrate Trump. However he has massive resources at his disposal, as well congress and the senate. So he will have the capacity to hold them to account.
[Editorial discretion applied. If you avoid the word I replaced you will not get caught in moderation.] AZ
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Well, all I can say is I hope they stop all fossil fuel use ASAP!!!!!
Winter here in Canada, sooooo…… they will all freeze to death and we will not have to listen to them or spend money on their stupid ideas!!
Then we can go back to using fossil fuels!!
YEAH!
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If the Siberian FREEZING COLD cell moves west, it will be interesting to see how the decimated power supply systems in Europe cope.
Windmills don’t work when iced up, Solar cells don’t work under a layer of snow and ice.
Will they have enough REAL energy left to get by?
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Here is the latest from Dr Judah Cohen at AER.
‘…the extensive Eurasian snow cover, the reduced Arctic sea ice and the stronger than normal Siberian high all indicate at least one significant PV weakening event/SSW during the winter months followed by an extended period of severe winter weather across the NH continents including East Asia and/or Europe and/or the Eastern US.’
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A new paper intimates that the vortex is on the move.
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/weakening-shifting-polar-vortex-study-longer-harsher-winters-north-america/61622468
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Off topic:
Here is a brief discussion of the decommissioning cost of a particular wind subsidy farm in the USA.
https://www.wind-watch.org/documents/wind-decommissioning-costs-lessons-learned/
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Some blocks of C4 would do the trick……….
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but, but, but you couldn’t recycle them then 🙂
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21 Nov: Daily Caller: Michael Bastasch: UN Delays Global Warming Treaty 2 Years As Trump Takes Over
United Nations delegates agreed to put off writing any rules for the recently ratified Paris climate agreement to 2018 after President-elect Donald Trump, who’s opposed the agreement, won a surprising election victory.
UN delegates came away with little more than a pledge to reconvene by December 2018 to write rules for the global warming agreement despite extending their two-week summit in Marrakech, Morocco an extra day…
But Trump’s surprise election victory shocked UN diplomats, and put the future of the Paris agreement in jeopardy…
http://dailycaller.com/2016/11/21/un-delays-global-warming-treaty-2-years-as-trump-takes-over/?print=1
21 Nov: UK Daily Mail: Tom Leonard: Trump ‘will use Nasa climate change cash to fund Moon missions’ as part of his bid to ‘Make America Great Again’
Nasa has not put a man on the Moon since the Apollo 17 mission in 1972
He pledged in his campaign to free Nasa from researching global warming
Trump adviser Newt Gingrich has argued the US should have a moon base
A successor to Nasa boss Charles Bolden will be appointed in January
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3955598/Trump-use-Nasa-climate-change-cash-fund-Moon-missions.html
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Yes!!!, if this is true, if Trump will make a real push to a moon base, then I think that’s truly amazing.
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I remain befuddled by this mass(someone said about 10,000)of delegates all of like mind to the extent that Morano and crew were the only ones there that thought Trump was going to be a good thing for the climate world. Can you really find 200 countries with appointed or volunteer climate delegates with none to challenge the “consensus”? Where are the 3% left after the 97% are picked over? The climate was not a central debate in the US election but the contrast of the two candidates’ positions was stark and 50% of the public voted for Trump. Even the IPCC polls show no real concern in the people of the world about climate change so how are these folks chosen to form this massive monolithic group of uninformed activists willing to press economic devastation on the world for no measurable change in any climate parameter?
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Trump is gonna rip this frog “Hollande” a new one…………
Hollande Set for Showdown With Trump Over Paris Climate Deal :-
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/11/20/french-president-hollande-set-for-showdown-with-trump-over-paris-climate-deal/
Bet there will be lots of swearing in french !
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Hollande is heading out the same door as Obama.
Even if Trump cannot legally walk away from the “agreement” it will not stop him reopening the coal industry, removing regs around fracking, removing CO2 from the pollutant category etc. etc. I suspect he will still be able to remove much of the funding. All of which will make the agreement more of a lame duck ( from the USA point of view) than it already is.
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Yep, that’s the DCM door! (don’t come Monday)
And Bon Voyage A**holes!
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Bit off topic but Trump related…….
Trump trumps trade talks: TPP to go on day one:-
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/trump-trumps-trade-talks-tpp-to-go-on-day-one/news-story/4e69be0ceabec22fb98507c114ff3860
Bloody fantastic !!!!!!
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GO TRUMP GO
GO TRUMP GO
GO TRUMP GO
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Populist revolutionaries share a joke.
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2016/11/farage_trump.jpg
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‘Britain has dismissed US President-elect Donald Trump’s unprecedented expression of support for Brexit campaigner Nigel Farage to be made British ambassador to Washington, saying pointedly that there is no vacancy for the job.’
The Oz
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Apparently the UK Diplomatic Service is apoplectic over this. Some in the service were even caught actually saying what they mean!
Trump apparently doesn’t understand that diplomats can only be those who fully understand and, with native erudition, use the approved diplomatic language of inconspicuous abstraction elucidating subtle obfuscation with soupçons of ambiguous periphrasis, and where deemed necessary a modicum of wit.
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VIDEO: 22 Nov: UK Daily Mail: David Martosko: Trump video promises Day One ‘executive actions’ on trade, energy, regulations, cyber attacks, visa abuse and lobbying bans – but nothing about immigration ‘amnesty’
In a brief YouTube video released Monday at dinnertime, Trump outlined six policy promises – all items he campaigned on – that he could accomplish with the stroke of a pen…
His ideas include withdrawing from the much-pilloried Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal, relaxing federal ‘restrictions’ on coal and shale energy production, and kick-starting a comprehensive plan to protect the U.S. from cyber attacks…
He also said they came from ‘a list of executive actions we can take on Day One to restore our laws and bring back our jobs. It’s about time.’…
‘I will cancel job-killing restrictions on the production of American energy, including shale energy and clean coal,’ he said, ‘creating many millions of high-paying jobs.’
‘That’s what we want. that’s what we’ve been waiting for…
‘As part of our plan to “drain the swamp,” we will impose a five-year ban on executive officials becoming lobbyists after they leave the administration,’ Trump says in the video, ‘and a lifetime ban on executive officials lobbying on behalf of a foreign government.’…
‘I will formulate a rule which says that for every one new regulation, two old regulations must be eliminated. So important,’ he said…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3959082/Trump-video-promises-Day-One-executive-actions-trade-energy-regulations-cyber-attacks-visa-abuse-lobbying-bans-immigration-amnesty.html
21 Nov: AP: Matthew Daly: EPA chief: Progress under Obama won’t be undone by Trump
President-elect Donald Trump will not derail progress made in fighting climate change and creating clean-energy jobs, the head of the Environmental Protection Agency insisted on Monday in arguing “the inevitability of our clean energy future is bigger than any one person or nation.”…
Nick Loris, an economist at the conservative Heritage Foundation, said Obama’s legacy on global warming and other environmental regulations was nothing to brag about.
From the 2015 Paris climate agreement to the Clean Power Plan to new rules limiting oil and gas drilling, Obama has “levied bundles of new regulations on businesses and the American people – killing jobs, raising energy prices and having nearly zero impact on global temperatures,” Loris said.
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/d929fdee1fce4a95997cf68e9c24c359/epa-chief-progress-under-obama-wont-be-undone-trump
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There’s the oddest thing just happened, and I actually had to check myself.
See where pat mentions this: (my bolding here)
Whenever I see a comment like that coming from a Politician, I say to myself ….. “Uh Oh!”
It began early on in the Obama Administration. Those Democrats running the show had no actual idea what it meant, and the prime example was the current (now lame duck) SecState John Kerry, who with Lieberman, sponsored a humungously monstrous gazillion page Bill called, with a touch of Irony, The American Power Act.
When it came out back in early/mid 2010, I trawled through (the contents mainly) it in an attempt to see what was planned.
Part of it dealt with, umm ….. Clean Coal, and I groaned, because they had no idea whatsoever just what that phrase meant. I knocked out a Series of half a dozen Posts on that (failed) piece of Legislation, and one of them was this one.
The whole concept at that time was eminently groanworthy in the extreme, because it was just talk talk talk from sound bites that they didn’t really understand themselves, let alone bringing the people along with them in an attempt to actually explain, just using that familiar phrase, almost as if they would point a fire hose at the lumps of coal and wash them ….. clean.
So, when I saw this phrase coming from President Trump, I almost groaned again, but oddly, I immediately felt a small modicum of confidence, not that he knew what it was, but that he would actually have people explain it to him correctly, not just those blood sucking Democrat sycophants who would say anything just to get the ear of the man in power.
I actually think the big man will go and look for answers.
And I’m also willing to bet that there’s someone in the wings willing to actually explain those new tech HELE USC coal fired power plants to him, which they have oh so quietly already working on in the U.S.
Those Monster major electrical generation Companies are all in the U.S. probably just waiting for a new market, inconceivable under a Democrat Administration.
Tony.
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I also think he was playing with the Greenies with the use of the word “clean” –essentially bating them.
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Trumps an excellent troller, always kicking the scrub to see what snakes come out, the realisation of how underestimated he was by the left is a beautiful thing to watch.
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Of course ‘the Donald’ referred to Coal as ‘clean coal’ when it is beautifully rich with much needed life enhancing co2.
Whereas the term ‘dirty coal’ and ‘dirty fossil fuels’,are all political terms used by Marxists ratbags.
What is it that makes coal or any other naturally formed element/compound,’Dirty’?
I says: more coal and more co2 to 1000ppm would be good !
Who cares what kookoo leftoids say!
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“And I’m also willing to bet that there’s someone in the wings willing to actually explain those new tech HELE USC coal fired power plants to him, which they have oh so quietly already working on in the U.S.”
If we’d only pushed harder to use, and share, this tech… The US could have done so much good if we’d stayed off the CAGW train and just insisted on real, workable, practical methods. But nooooo, we had to jump aboard and throw our money at nonsense.
Billions, trillions wasted one part-time unreliable, grid-breaking power schemes, and a fraction of that could have brought reliable and affordable power to so many. The remaining monies could have supported infrastructure to bring that power to out-of-the-way places, and still have cash left over to build hospitals, roads, bridges, houses. Better to get power and potential earnings to the world’s poor than to keep them in poverty while enriching the leaders and carpet-baggers. Maybe now that will happen.
I’d rather see my taxes spent on real, tangible, productive things than pie-in-the-sky dreams and graft.
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20 Nov: EnergyLiveNews: Jacqueline Echevarria: UK investment in renewables ‘to drop by 96% by 2021’
According to the IEA, nations across the globe need to invest an extra $23 trillion (£19.8tn) in energy efficiency.
http://www.energylivenews.com/2016/11/20/uk-investment-in-renewables-to-drop-by-96-by-2021/
21 Nov: RealClimateScience: NOAA Adjustments Correlate Exactly To Their Confirmation Bias
Thermometers show the US cooling since about 1920, but NOAA massively cools the past to create the appearance of a warming trend…READ ON
http://realclimatescience.com/2016/11/noaa-adjustments-correlate-exactly-to-their-confirmation-bias/
from Carbon Pulse 21 Nov – subscription required:
EU Market: EUAs pare losses on oil as CERs plummet
European carbon prices fell by nearly 5% to a seven-week low on Monday afternoon before paring most of their losses on a stronger energy complex, while CERs dropped by 14%…
NZ Market: Profit-taking pushes NZUs further down
New Zealand carbon allowances ended in negative territory for a seventh consecutive day on Monday, as profit-trading added to the woes brought on by the recent US election…
CarbonPulse: RGGI states poke around edges after one year of review talks
RGGI states are yet to piece together the collective impact of multiple price-sensitive reform options they are juggling, despite the discussions having entered their second year…
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Nearly 300 years ago the British, a nation of European white skinned peoples using nothing but the intellectual power of its entrepreneurs and engineers and the toil of its citizens embarked on and created almost from scratch what was to become one of the greatest advances in lifting the quality of human life that mankind has ever known.
It was the British Industrial Revolution which was very quickly picked up by the Germans and then the French and then the Americans who built the largest industrial empire of them all based on using British technology and investment moneys to begin their industrial development.
Today in the rest of the world despite that small number of white skinned European nations being prepared to invest very heavily with both technology and finance in any nation that will guarantee long term political and financial stability there are dozens of nations that are still languishing in living conditions more akin to those the Europeans and Americans left behind close to 150 years ago.
A few such as China and now India are climbing out of the morass of the past ages but are almost totally reliant on the same technologies, law, financial and governmental and bureaucratic structures that were created and developed in the European and American nations a century and a half ago.
Instead of putting in place the laws and holding to them, forcefully eliminating corruption in governments, bureaucracies and in the legal systems and by doing so ensuring that western nations and the increasingly wealthy eastern Asian nations would want to invest in those corruption prone nations, the so called and self described for propaganda reasons, Underdeveloped Nations try the shake down of the Western Nations by using that extremely versatile , grossly overused and now declining in impact, the great tool of the hard green climate alarmist left , the “Guilt factor” to try to extract from and force the western nations to hand over as much of their own self created wealth to what has become little more than an avaricious parasitical group of corrupt underdeveloped nations who seemingly have little intention of the cleansing of their own highly corrupt back yard whilst they can continue to shake down the West.
They are seemly more concerned with shaking down the western white skinned European nations for as much as they can lay hands on than cleaning up their own backyards so that it becomes attractive for others to invest in and to build infrastructure and improve the quality of life for their own citizens.
The Guilt factor is a very basic human characteristic that seems to be ignored by nearly everybody except the Elitist hard Left who have become very expert at using the Guilt Factor in every situation so as tottery and accomplish their hard Left orientated changes to our societies of today.
It is used by the Left , the Greens, the Climate alarmists, the quite vicious PC hypocrites and numerous other PC an d hard line do -gooder organisations who are more into increasing their political power and influence in society than any improvements in the lives of the citizens or of that same society.
All of them in fact are pretty much the same nasty elitist mob, plus the nations who try to sake down Western Nations such as we see in the quote above and in so much else in our society and all of them use that same human characteristic as one of the main planks towards increasing their power and influence over society .
And that is the almost universal use by the above described grossly hypocritical hard left of the “Guilt Factor”.
The advent of Trump and now the crocodile tears the moaning meanies of the money deprived parasites of Marrakech are very good indicators that the Guilt Factor has finally reached the limits of its usefulness to the hard left green and climate alarmists and assorted PC pimps and pushers.
The ordinary person has had a guts full of always being accused of some nefarious attitude because he / she didn’t feel guilty about something the left, green, alarmist, PC pimps and pushers were forcing upon society and our citizens.
With the hardening of attitudes as exemplified by the election of Trump, by the public towards the use of the Guilt Factor by the hard left, green alarmist anti human advancement PC promoting hypocrites is becoming just so much more hot air that will in the eyes and minds of an increasingly contemptuous public, undermine any credibility the Left, green climate alarmists and PC pimps and pushers might have left.
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Feminists for Fossil Fuel Free Future (FFFFF)
Rupert Darwall from Marrakech here: http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/qed/2016/11/climate-crack-marrakech/
“Week two was when the most important people arrive, so its first day was decreed to be gender and education day. Gender equality and the empowerment of women is written into the preamble of the Paris Agreement. ‘Gender justice is climate justice,’ as one feminist NGO puts it. There were Feminists for a Fossil Fuel Free Future in attendance. You can download a Gender Climate Tracker app for iPhone and Android. ‘Our existing economies are based on gender exploitative relationships,’ one speaker told a side meeting. ‘The first ecology is my body,’ another declared. Sexual and reproductive rights require climate justice. ‘Sixty percent of my body is water. What I’m drinking takes me to my city and to the health of the planet.’”
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Say, what’s in the water?
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Agreed. It is all about climate gender justice. Apparently.
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CH3CH2OH (ethanol)
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Kool-Aid?
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WTF?? Why are the LTBG community represented????
COP22 is Deplorable
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Arrgghhhh, where it the edit function?
Why aren’t the LTBG communities represented????
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You have forgotten the QI people! That’s racism. Perhaps. Shape shifting gender changing space aliens.
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Part of the Victim Coalition of Cultural Marxism.
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Funky Feminists for the Funny Farm.
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I couldn’t give five F’s what they think…….FFS.
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It’s my opinion that a new edition of the DSM will have to be released in 2017 to incorporate all the novel varieties that have been displayed by Warmatologists and their allies.
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Do you think the Pharmaceutical Industry will allow it in?
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Off topic, some might remember I warned of more earthquakes following and a direct consequence of the big one in Christchurch, NZ? 13th November 2016. Now 9 days later we have “Japan earthquake: small tsunami strike Fukushima coastline after 7.4 magnitude quake” I think this is the third time. An earthquake off NZ preceded the Aceh tsunami and the devastating Fukishima tsunami. Is anyone else noticing this connection?
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Yes, the ring of fire has been very active. Some believe it is the gravitational distortions of the solar system squishing and squeezing the planet. Could well be gravitational stress from the recent luna perigee and the relatively recent conjuction.
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Thanks. My observation however is the close connection in time between earthquakes off New Zealand and major earthquake events on the other side of the equator. The first one was a major quake well south of NZ. The next one was the Aceh tsunami in which hundreds of thousands died. My theory is that a major vibration in one part produces a week later another slippage, thousands of miles away. If one earthquake is noted, the pacific Rim should be on high alert for two weeks. Perhaps the massive loss of life in Aceh, Thailand and Fukishima could have been avoided?
I noted this ten days ago and now we have the tsunami in Fukishima. Luckily only a metre high. Predictable, non?
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Isaac Orr: Trump to Obama’s Energy Legacy: ‘You’re Fired’
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/11/21/isaac-orr-trump-obamas-energy-legacy-youre-fired/
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and yet another great Trump story………
Report: Donald Trump Unloads on Mainstream Media Bigwigs in Trump Tower Meeting
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2016/11/21/report-donald-trump-unloads-media-bigwigs-trump-tower-meeting/
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How do you spell “cash cow”?
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What is the nature of wind and solar contracts in the US? Will they be easy for the Trump Administration to dismantle or are they locked in for many years as in Australia so they cannot be undone by a sensible government?
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If they can cut federal subsidies to these pseudo industries then they will self dismantle very quickly, or some technological advancements that actually work may conspire when people are facing financial losses and have real skin in the game.
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“The Climate Vulnerable Forum, 48 countries representing 1 billion people, issued a Marrakesh Vision, a plan to achieve 100 per cent domestic renewable energy”. That’s saying 38 countries will be third world countries, just like all the world was before the industrial revolution and use of high energy density fuel.
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21 Nov: Reuters: Tracy Rucinski: Abengoa asks U.S. court to prevent lawsuits by rebel creditors
Abengoa asks U.S. court to prevent lawsuits by rebel creditors
Spanish renewable energy and engineering firm Abengoa SA has asked a U.S. bankruptcy court to enjoin legal action and future claims by creditors who are unsatisfied with a high-stakes plan to restructure $10 billion of debt…
Last month the vast majority of Abengoa’s international creditors signed on to its so-called master restructuring agreement, which will give creditors equity in exchange for debt. The deal was approved by a Spanish court on Nov. 8…
In a court filing, Abengoa asked U.S. Bankruptcy Judge Kevin Carey to validate the refinancing deal in the United States and to permanently prohibit U.S. creditors from filing any lawsuits against the agreement…
Last week, Carey denied a request for an independent fraud investigation of Abengoa by some of Abeinsa’s creditors, who have said in court filings that the parent drained its foreign businesses of cash and assets, leaving them bankrupt…
Last week it posted a nine-month net loss of 5.4 billion euros ($5.74 billion).
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-abengoa-restructuring-usa-idUSKBN13H01D
19 Nov: Bloomberg: Brookfield, Investors Differ Over Value of SunEdison Yieldco
by Scott Deveau and Brian Eckhouse
Brookfield Asset Management Inc., Canada’s largest alternative asset manager, is prepared to offer $13 a share to acquire TerraForm Power Inc., valuing the yieldco at about $1.8 billion. That may not be enough.
TerraForm, a yieldco that’s seeking to untangle itself from bankrupt parent SunEdison Inc., traded above that level in New York on Friday, suggesting investors think Brookfield may face competition. The shares closed at $13.62…
TerraForm’s market value has slumped in the past 18 months as SunEdison’s fortunes waned after a $2.6 billion buying spree of wind and solar projects left it overextended…
In a filing on Friday, Brookfield said it’s also prepared to make an offer for another SunEdison yieldco, TerraForm Global Inc., for an undisclosed sum…
Spokesmen for the TerraForm yieldcos and SunEdison didn’t return calls seeking comment. A representative for Brookfield declined to comment…
The latest disclosure comes days after TerraForm Power said it’s again seeking an extension from bondholders over its failure to file its 2015 annual report. The delay, which puts the company at risk of default, is the result of TerraForm Power’s reliance on SunEdison’s reporting systems. SunEdison’s filings are also delinquent…
In bankruptcy court Thursday, SunEdison acknowledged that it may need to reorganize around its yieldcos, which are two of its most valuable assets…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-18/brookfield-offers-to-acquire-terraform-power-for-1-8-billion
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Phillip Bratby –
foundation & institution-funded China Dialogue – check their Wikipedia – has all the usual suspects praising the foolish 47, plus some other bits of info:
21 Nov: ChinaDialogue: Marrakech summit ends without funds deal
by Joydeep Gupta, Charlotte Middlehurst, Yao Zhe & Wang Yamin
Despite the progress on other fronts, the issue of finance could not be resolved, though it delayed the end of the summit by hours and kept delegates of over 190 countries arguing in the cold corridors of the venue well past midnight…
The issue of legally binding climate action by rich nations between now and 2020 also remained largely unresolved despite two long rounds of a “facilitative dialogue” called for the purpose. Most developed countries have not ratified the 2012 amendment to the Kyoto Protocol, so pledges under the protocol no longer have any legal force. India called upon all developed countries to ratify the amendment by next April, but there was no response…
The Green Climate Fund (GCF) announced the approval of the first two proposals for the formulation of national adaptation plans. Nepal will receive US$2.9 million (20 million yuan) for the purpose, and Liberia US$2.2 million (15 million yuan)…
Meanwhile, on the last day of the Marrakech summit, 47 countries who have formed the Climate Vulnerable Forum (CVF) pledged to update their national contributions to combating climate change as early as possible, before 2020; prepare mid-century, long-term low greenhouse gas (GHG) development strategies as early as possible before 2020; and strive to meet 100% domestic renewable energy production as rapidly as possible.
Speaking on the occasion, Al Gore, former US vice president, said, “These ambitious and inspiring commitments show the path forward for others and give us all renewed optimism that we are going to meet the challenge before us and meet it in time.” Christiana Figueres, former executive secretary of the UNFCCC, said, “Our goal must be to bend the curve of emissions by 2020 in order to limit temperature rise to 1.5 degrees Celsius and enable an orderly and just transition. For this we must accelerate the shift of capital and promote radical collaboration among all stakeholders.”
Dipal Barua of the NGO called 100% RE said, “Bangladesh has shown how renewable energy tackles energy poverty. With today´s commitment to move to 100% renewable energy domestically, the government, in coalition with the most vulnerable countries, builds on this success and allows future generations a decent life on this planet.”
Rachel Kyte, CEO and special representative of the UN Secretary-General for Sustainable Energy for All, said, “These vulnerable countries, at all stages of development, send a clear signal that they are moving forward and getting on with the challenge of building clean, resilient, inclusive economies.”
Jennifer Morgan, executive director of Greenpeace International, said, “This commitment by 47 countries on the frontline of climate change shows leadership and vision, just what we need from everyone.”
https://chinadialogue.net/article/show/single/en/9411-Marrakech-summit-ends-without-funds-deal
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They will get the naughty finger waived…
Is that ‘waived’, or ‘waved’ ?
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I had to read it three times,too. Bit sĺow this morning.
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Hi Jo,
I also enjoyed point 2 of the declaration, especially the bit about the US having a near zero net emissions by 2050.
Don’t these people realize that under the great President Obama production of fossil fuel in the US has boomed to the point that the US will be self-sufficient in fossil fuels for the 1st time in what, 2 or 3 generations? Somehow this will magically disappear in about 30 years.
Never before in the recorded history of humanity have so many, travelled so far (on other peoples money), and yet remained so trapped in a bubble of their own ignorance of what is going on in the world. The party is over, last one out leave the lights on, it makes no difference anyway.
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Grace and guts in the same four word phrase? This is a new game!
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Home grown, too.
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Quote: “President-elect Donald J. Trump said on Tuesday that he would “keep an open mind” about whether to pull the United States out of a landmark multinational agreement on climate change.
During his presidential campaign, Mr. Trump repeatedly said he would withdraw from the Paris climate accord. But on Tuesday, he said, “I’m looking at it very closely. I have an open mind to it.”
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If he doesn’t follow through on his stand during the campaign, if he switches to the dark side on this issue I will hate him forever! Not pursuing a criminal investigation against Clinton I can accept, it’s common practice in presidential politics to not attack the one you’ve defeated even when they are obviously guilty. But on global warming he was the lone sane voice among political leaders, he is the only chance to save western civilization from that scam, and if he doesn’t stand firm, western civilization is toast.
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A mistake to read too much into this Dirtman.
Over the past 18 months there have been volumes written by the elite declaring that “Trump is not a politician”.
Yet to date he is proving he a better politician than any of them.
The move to take Romney into the tent, after the verballing they gave each other in the Primaries, is pure genius. So is the decision not to “pursue” Hillary for the email scandal. Note that the FBI are still hard at work on the money laundering, child abduction, and paedophilia.
Not yet inaugurated, and the plebs are stirred up like a hornets’ nest. Best to let the dust settle a bit, and ‘look at it closely’ and ‘keep an open mind’ is exactly the stance a politician should take in that situation. Don’t worry. With the appointment of a cabinet to a man and woman that realise the tremendous load this crap is on the economy, and a need to cease unnecessary spending on frivolity, the chopping of money expended on this scam will be over on the 21st of January.
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Help! My boy is doing (trying to get brainwashed) by the school science (in QLD) on ‘warmal globing’. Any teachers around? Is this compulsory brainwashing? Remember these are our future adults all suitably brainwashed on bad science and ‘agenda driven’ science not anything real. My boy wont believe in the end but the rest may certainly be conditioned.
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Progressing well at school depends on ability to regurgitate whatever the curriculum requires. The best you can do is encourage curious and open mind in your kids. That means they have to be open to what is being taught and being able to regurgitate it in an exam or tick the appropriate box.
There were many things I was taught that do not hold up to scrutiny. I have also seen many well credentialed people who have not tested what they were taught so they have not questioned something that was wrong or do not actually understand what they were taught. However the fundamental of science, physics and chemistry is evidence to support a theory. If your child gains that through their education then that is the key. Encourage their own experimentation.
A few years ago there was a raging debate on many internet forums regarding ability of a wind powered vehicle to travel Directly Down Wind Faster Than The Wind (DDWFTTW):
https://www.google.com.au/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=ddwfttw&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&gfe_rd=cr&ei=cRI2WIGbB4GL8QezlLqIDg
The debate got so heated that a couple of guys were sponsored to build a vehicle to prove it. There were a good number of university professors with egg on their face after it did almost 3X windspeed directly downwind. The physics is not complex but it was clear to me how few people could actually think beyond what they were taught. That is just one clear example where a very small number of people could actually work through the physics to get beyond what most believed impossible until they could see it. Even then there were some who were looking for a driving motor of some sort.
This is the same issue I constantly see with AGW. There are very few independent thinkers able to go beyond what they are taught AND history teaches us that many past beliefs are not based in fact.
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Teach your boy to verify what he is taught independently. Use the library, as what was printed and saved cannot be altered as easily as what goes up on the net. Books are good, magazines are good, but having a properly skeptical and curious mind will take him far. TO get the grades, he needs to know how to regurgitate the lessons, but he doesn’t need to believe them. Not all he’ll be taught is wrong, some is useful, and the process of learning, knowing how to check facts and remember things, how to research, will be a life-long and hopefully enjoyable thing. Help him be prepared to accept that what he knows might be wrong, and to be able to change his mind when facts are there to disprove what is accepted by many, even if they call him a denier or skeptic. Encourage learning other languages and to keep reading and speaking them (Oh how I wish I had learned more, my French is minimal, my German long-gone, my Spanish not even worth saying no habla) so he can see, first hand, what others are really saying.
Most of all, don’t let the schools beat the love of learning out of him.
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A perfect summation of the entire CAGW racket. Keep up the great work, Jo.
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