David Archibald writes” From some sort of parallel universe, this is part of a speech given by the Chief of Army, as in Australia’s army.
Campbell appears to be completely duped by the weather-doctors — not the kind of gullible guy you’d put in charge of heavy machinery (and y’know, national security):
For the first time in mankind’s history our planet may become unsuitable for habitation in many of the places where large populations presently live. The Climate Change Institute at the Australian National University (ANU) asserts; changes would be irreversible on the time scale of human civilisation and would dramatically change the planet as we know it.
This is an unprecedented problem – the global population and its actions are bumping up hard against the capacity of the planet to sustain us in the present form.
He appears to have done no minutes of cross-checking, just swallowed the academics and paparazzi opinions holus. Why fight the climate? Campbell’s reasoning amounts to saying that the US is doing climate stuff (Jo notes they were then, but they won’t be soon.). It’s not too good when the head of your army hasn’t figured out the big secret that half the US voters have. (ASIO — where are you?)
Campbell tells us the Commander of the Royal Fijian Forces thinks it’s worth doing, and so do a bunch of academics (though they can’t predict rainfall, drought, floods, sea ice, humidity, clouds, or much else. — Those references here).
If Campbell was a real leader, the one our army and nation deserves, he’d pop in and ask some of the top engineers and IT-guys in the ADF for a second opinion. If the climate was such a no-brainer threat, those brains would be the first to get it, instead, two thirds (or probably more now) are skeptics. Real scientists can spot the bluff when fake scientists rabbit on about consensuses, use tricks to hide declines, and find hot-spots they never said were missing. Not only does Campbell drink that kool-aid, he believes the economic models too — citing GDP predictions for 2100.
As it happens the speech was made in September, but nobody, except a guy called Anthony Bergin, noticed for three months. Bergin lavishly praised it in The Australian, and suggested our jets might run on eucalyptus oil. Seriously. “Scientists are close to using eucalyptus trees to develop renewable jet fuel.” Righto…
Tony Thomas found depressing news for the eucalyptus-powered-jets:
“ANU researcher Dr Carston Kulheim suggests: “If we could plant 20 million hectares of eucalyptus species worldwide, which is currently the same amount that is planted for pulp and paper, we would be able to produce enough jet fuel for five per cent of the aviation industry.””
But at least 5% of the RAAF will be flying something anti-inflammatory, antispasmodic, and antibacterial.
Commenters at The Australian were 99% unfooled:
Justin Next there will be environmentally friendly bombs,..give us a break,…
Colin: What utter drivel, Anthony Bergin. I did 39 years in uniform and I’ve never heard such rubbish in my life.
Brian: Just goes to prove how deeply “group think” has permeated the body politic. Memo to ruling class ….. GW/CC is a myth and its OK to be a “denier”. The proletariat now realise the green-emperor has no clothes which is just one of the reasons Trump is US President and not Hilary
Ian: Shouldn’t defence be focusing on gay marriage, domestic violence and ethical investing? Make you wonder what on earth its priorities are.
Tony Thomas expanded a lot more on the military-against-the-climate theme in Quadrant a couple of weeks ago.
Obama declines to bomb an ISIS convoy because burning trucks will boost CO2 emissions … Australia’s defence wallahs fret about rising seas and drowning air bases … alarmist ratbaggery distorts strategy and budgets. Military effectiveness has a new enemy: the climate-scam crowd.
— read it all at Warmism’s Martial Plan.
More of the Campbell speech below:
Lieutenant General Angus Campbell DSC, AM, opening address to the 2016 Chief of Army’s Exercise:
Unstable planet
The third order problem I will address is that of an unstable planet. The instability I refer to is global. It is being caused by climate change associated with global warming.
I note Colonel Sapenafa Motufaga, the Commander Land Forces – Royal Fijian Military Forces, has agreed to speak to us in more depth about this serious issue in our plenary on, ‘The Indo-Pacific region in a global context’.
We don’t actually know for certain where the problem of climate change will take us. Much will depend on how correct some of the assumptions in our models are, and how effective are any mitigation and adaptation strategies we develop, and actually implement. But for military organisations that excel in long term planning and harnessing great resource, and which will be expected to assist in some way, these questions are immediately relevant.
Professor Janette Lindesay, from the ANU, highlights aspects of the problem. Globally, 2015 was the warmest year on record since modern record-keeping began in 1880. It was Australia’s fifth warmest. April 2016 was the warmest April month on record globally (and also in Australia). It was the 12th consecutive warmest April on record.
The cost of inaction on climate change is estimated as a 23% decrease in global GDP by 2100. By way of contrast, the cost of action is estimated as a 1.6% decrease by 2050. Of note, the decrease in GDP will be inequitable. The impact will be greater in warmer countries.
The top 10 most-at-risk countries with exposure to sea level rise by 2100 are all in the Indo-Pacific, where over 138 million people are at risk. Additionally, over 500,000 people from the small Pacific and Indian Ocean island states will be impacted as island states may well become uninhabitable between 2050 and 2100.
Writing for the Australian Strategic Policy Institute in November 2014, former Chief of the Australian Defence Force, Admiral Chris Barrie, summarised the concern for Armed Forces; Military forces around the globe perceive climate change as a threat multiplier because its impacts can undermine individual and societal well-being. Climate change will affect the availability of food, water and energy, which become basic insecurities, as well as fostering migratory movements forced on people by sea level rise and the greater frequency and intensity of extreme weather events. These pressures have the potential to lead to conflict.
Alarmingly, but I fear correctly, Professor Will Steffen from the Australian National University went as far as labelling climate change as ‘the ultimate threat multiplier’. A title sure to grab an Army Chief’s attention!
Armed forces have their role to play in response to climate change. This clearly goes beyond measures necessary to adopt ‘best practice’ in the environmental management of our estate, infrastructure, and energy needs; which we should do. As weather events intensify we can reasonably expect to see the increasing use of Defence assets in support of humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR) operations.
The scale of climate change problems, their unpredictability, and the level of support required from land forces are key issues for us to better understand.
Blah Blah Blah.
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UPDATE: For first time visitors. Here’s why Angus Campbell is a fool for speaking out on a topic he has done no personal investigation of: five minutes on google with an open find would turn up hundreds of peer reviewed references, as listed at these links.
- A recent good summary of the state of the evidence
- Posts here tagged “Evidence”
- Man Made Global Warming disproved.
- Evidence demonstrating solar influence
- Original research on this site about the failures of climate models and how to correct model architecture as well as model the climate using solar parameters.
The bloke just needs a frock and a name change to Angelina and he’ll be Australian of the Year, for sure.
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A frock? Maybe.
Australia’s only white flag factory, probably.
A political appointee, not known for his practical military prowess, almost certainly.
A card carrying ecoloon, definitely.
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he will probably be commissioning a study to see the viability of solar powered jets
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Helicopters create a lot of downdraft..
…so if you put a wind turbine on the bottom of the helicopter, you can power the helicopter.
OR you can use FOSSIL FUELS !!
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Dare we ask the question whether being top bloke requires signing onto “the cause” and if so, does this disqualify them from holding a responsible position?
I know many peopel in top spots are good politicans of sorts, but it seems when you have the bloke in chanrge of raining munitions on people duped, you have a big problem….
I have to ask the logical question – Will sceptics eventually be happily executed for climate denialism?
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This is probably something he has to say (and he clearly supports the idea) to prepare everyone for the upcoming UN led Socialist Green New World Order, due to kick of in 2030. He’ll probably be (or at least the Oz military will be), charged with the ‘honorable’ task of herding us all into their UN controlled, totalitarian green gulags, where we’ll have no jobs or other source of income, no electricity or gas, no transport, no property rights, no freedom of speech and in fact no freedom at all.
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The below quote is difficult to verify, however based on my own research over the years on the amoral NWO mob, it us certainly not outside of their demented mind set….its what happens when you give teenagers the keys to the car….
http://thinkexist.com/quotation/today-americans-would-be-outraged-if-u-n-troops/347294.html
“Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”
– Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberger meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992.
(in an address to the Bilderberger organization meeting at Evian, France, on May 21, 1991. As transcribed from a tape recording made by one of the Swiss delegates. )”
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The comment from your link rings very true….
“Controlling education around the globe to ensure all children become activists promoting the UN sustainability agenda.
Moving towards global enforcement by developing global monitoring, accountability mechanisms, and surveillance systems so “no one is left behind”.
” no one left behind” = intrusion in every aspect of every persons life = control of every person , similar to the US banks policy of ” know your customer” which is just Orwellian speak for surveillance…
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‘We don’t actually know for certain where the problem of climate change will take us. Much will depend on how correct some of the assumptions in our models are …’
He got that right, but generally Angus has too much respect for authority.
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Well he did say ‘these questions are immediately relevant.’ and left the thorny problem of answers to those questions hanging. Always cover your rear in the military.
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The rear is all we will see of retreating military leaders if Trump successfully “drains the swamp” of corrupt scientists and politicians that deceived the public about nuclear energy after WWII:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/TRIBUTE_TO_KURODA.pdf
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The Nobel Prize winning nuclear scientist who served as Obama’s Secretary of the US Department of Energy, Dr. Chiou(?), is invited to comment publicly on the logical error in Weizsacker’s definition of nuclear binding energy that effectively reversed the natural direction of nuclear evolution for the expanding universe,
_a.) From compacted neutrons => interstellar hydrogen atoms as the universe expands and entropy increases
_ b.) To the illogical consensus scientific model of interstellar hydrogen => compacted neutrons => black holes as the universe expands and entropy increases.
That is not only wrong, it is absolutely, absurdly wrong!
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The Nobel-prize winning nuclear physicists who served under Obama as Secretary of the US Department of Energy was STEVEN CHU
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Chu
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i seriously hope he has since been bombarded by tens of thousands of emails and letters from his fellow aussies letting him know exactly what they think of his statements and calling him out for the utter clown he is. if not, i would suggest his fellow aussies also afford to much respect to authority, a respect that in this instance it does not deserve.
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Who’d want to go out –
even on army manoeuvres –
with this guy, who doesn’t
check or verify?
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They don’t make them like they used to. Two of my great-uncles fought in Russia sometime ago for whatever reasons- it certainly was not to save the planet from frocked Generals. The whole polity needs the scours.
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In times of conflict, when peoples are throwing chunks of hot metal at each other, you need military leaders who can inspire those below them to excel at what they do, and to go even further than that.
In times of peace, when peoples are resorting to nothing worse than calling each other rude names, you require leaders who do not make waves and upset the apple cart.
The last time I looked, there was somewhat of a diminution of hot chunks of metal floating around. So I would say that Angus Campbell is probably the right man for the job he has right now, which is actually a political one. We just have to hope that members of his staff don’t let him run with scissors.
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Maybe, but things can change quickly, I’d rather have someone in charge who calls out foolish ideas rather than rear end kissing of the politicians patently absurd Cause du Jour…
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Sooo, when the Noo Zillanders stealthily invade us from the south, Angus will be caught flat footed in coping with the unforeseeable.
Goodbye, Oz!
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The K1W1 (as a Yank called them in Vietnam) are already in occupation.
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We are everywhere Bro’, as a stealth occupying force. But don’t tell Angus that. It is probably above his pay-grade.
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Did you say ‘pay grade’ or ‘gay pride’?
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In a tight spot or even in hot combat, Angus can always give a decisive answer to the most critical modern defense question : Which bathroom?
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Ouch…seriously…ouch….
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First casualty in a fire-fight? Your underwear!
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so I guess you get to the end of your military career and you think to yourself, what next?
He’s angling for a job somewhere in the left, either Australian parliament or beyond in the CCGW lobby.
that’s it, end of story
just like Brian Owler, David Morrison and all the rest of them
which is fine
they keep lining them and we’ll keep knocking them down
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What you said about the end of your military career raises a question. There is only one military job higher than Chief of Army. That’s CDF – Chief of Defence Forces, which is a rotating position: Navy, Army, Air Force.
At the moment, CDF is Air Chief Marshal Mark Binskin, which means the next CDF will be Navy. But it is at the Prime Minister’s discretion, so there is a little wriggle room for somebody that gets the PM’s attention.
In other words, our dear friend Angus is brown nosing for a promotion.
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All of you guys who have taken too long to finally realize the “global mean temperature” records are worthless, have contributed to the delinquency of this poor general. I am shocked, shocked I tell you.
Which is just my way of saying, it is an insane mess all around. Lucy, you have some ‘splainin’ to do.
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In a sense, he is right. Dubai is incredibly hot, unlivable, unsustainable. No fresh water, no food at all, just scorching desert and they have built cities in the ocean. Totally unsustainable. Appalling climate. Like Qatar, Bagdad where the summers can hit 56C. That is without carbon fuels, airconditioning, aircraft, transport, oil. So 4 million people live very comfortably in an uninhabitable place, Dubai. Kuwait too, where the world fought a war to stop the takeover by Saddam Hussein. They released a lot of CO2.
When was livability determined by University activists or by the army? When did the army decide whether Eskimos should live in the arctic and hunt seals. We cannot all live happily in cool temperate climates with wood fires and making our own bread and getting fresh water from a nearby running fresh stream. It is the job of the military to defend the people, not to decide whether they are living sustainably and while we fund all the do nothing activists and socialists who live off the people who actually work.
The problem is we need food, minerals, jobs, security and peace. We do not need the military to be the conscience of the planet. That’s all the democratic West needs, a politically correct military in a violent world. Rhetoric against nuclear weapons, niceness. We have pacifists like Malcolm Turnbull to do that. His great uncle George Lansbury, head of the British Labor party met Hitler and thought he was a humble Christian man, completely lacking in ambition. A charmer. Now we have an Australian general telling us we need to live in tune with the planet? Unbelievable. At least Leonardo di Caprio knows he is only an actor on the stage.
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TdeF:
“At least Leonardo di Caprio knows he is only an actor on the stage.” Are you sure of that? He seems to me to think he is someone important.
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Agreed…..it seems his tools of trade are make believe….oh..hang on ,…hes perfectly suited to the role….
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Is there a gene for poor judgement?
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Sceptical Sam. There is a gene (or many of them) that reside far to the left of the human brain somewhere between the left elbow and ,er, you get the idea.
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Suggested next speech:
We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in the troposphere, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight, with growing confidence and growing strength, the air, we shall defend our lands, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
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But above all else – we will prioritize the protection of the universities’ “safe spaces” so that our precious “snowflakes” and their adoring faculty can continue to inform us of the coming armageddon. Boy-King Trudeau has promised the same for Canadians, and his chief advisor, Devoid Suzuki has been moved to his Channel Island retreat for safety. The major battle, which has been predicted for more than 50 years, is expected sometime in the next 100 years. Hunker down citizens – we will save you!
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Suzuki once claimed that life on Earth would be all but wiped out by 2000.
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The latest intelligence suggest that asteroids and chunks of rock floating around in space that are the problem facing mankind. This a very recent realisation by top experts. Find the dossier below.
” “National Near-Earth Object Preparedness Strategy” ………..you can verify this right here.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/microsites/ostp/NSTC/national_neo_preparedness_strategy_final.pdf
I continue to remain skeptical about the anthropogenic species, or other, to make good decisions in a chaotic environment.
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With a little luck he’ll put a cordon around Suzuki’s island and cut of the electricity so Suzuki can commune with nature and the rest of us can be protected from Suzuki’s blissful ignorance of UAH GISS and RSS datasets
https://youtu.be/YDmh1HJOp0g
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Sceptical Sam:
“But above all else – we will prioritize the protection of the universities’ “safe spaces” so that our precious “snowflakes” and their adoring faculty can continue to inform us of the coming armageddon.”
Right, we need to protect our universities filled with snowflakes and their Marxist teachers. I couldn’t agree more.
My thought is they are getting 4 or 5 times too much much money from the taxpayers. A cut in funds of that amount might force many to face reality–Horrors! An honest job where one has to work and produce something to benefit all those overly generous taxpayers.
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Angus Campbell, Chief of Army, complete and utter [snip]
ED
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Whatever you said can not be as bad as I think of the Chief of Army!
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It wasn’t as bad as all that. And it was completely defensible on the content of the article.
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On the other hand, if he was discussing the arrival of the next glaciation, then I’m sure that the nuclear equipped militaries of the Northern Hemisphere would wage war over the more pleasant lands near the equator and the “wet paradise” of Australia.
As a matter of national survival – it would give new meaning to the word refugees as countries/territories like Britain, France, Russia, Northern China, Canada, Northern US were encased in 100s of meters of ice.
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There’s no need.
With the lack of readily dispatchable power to all the public deaths will ensue — part of the UN elites plan for eugenic by stealth!
War is for the ‘developing nations’.
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The really silly part is that a little bit of warming would be in the higher latitudes, and would open up vast tracts of the NH land for agriculture, a massive benefit.
Cooling and the drop in atmospheric CO2 that would occur, would be a major problem for human existence in many parts of the globe.
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Suggested next speech #2:
Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of free-markets and all the odious apparatus of popular rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in the troposphere, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight, with growing confidence and growing strength, the air, we shall defend our lands, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender
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There are many, many people in this wold who are highly intelligent with very much above the norm intelligence levels and yet are seen as mediocre successes in life at best and failures at the worst.
You do not have to be of a high intelligence to be a very good mathematician, You just need to be very gifted in your mathematical abilities. And it begins and becomes obvious very early in your life.
You do not have to be highly intelligent to be a politician. You just have to be gifted politically in the way you can manoeuvre and read and manipulate people. And it shows and begins very early in your life.
You do not have to be highly intelligent to be a doctor, a healer, a good and gifted one and it will show early in your life what your life’s work will most likely be.
You do not have to be highly intelligent to be a very good motor mechanic but it will show very early in your life what your life’s work will most likely be.
You do not have to be highly intelligent to be a good soldier, a very good soldier and it will show very early in your life what your life’s destiny will be.
But in every case you should know and recognise your limitations and the limits of your intellect in other fields and therefore stick to what you know and do best and leave the other subjects to those whose skills lay in those subjects before you just wade in and make an utter fool of yourself as you get way beyond your intellectual capabilities and knowledge depths in fields foreign to your knowledge base.
Few of us have the self knowledge and the private self criticism and genuflection needed to tell us, enough! before we wade into a subject where we really don’t know what the hell we are on about.
And the higher your social status in society the more the mirror of self reflection should be consulted to keep reminding oneself of the limitations of your skill set, a lesson that Lieutenant General Campbell seems he still has to learn.
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And the higher your social status in society the more the mirror of self reflection should be consulted to keep reminding oneself of the limitations of your skill set …
Which is why the Romans of history past had a custom for victorious returning Generals. As the General travelled into the city in his chariot on his triumphant return from successfully waging war, the streets completely thronged with madly cheering crowds, a slave in the chariot with him was required to repeat at intervals the mantra that he (the General) was only human, would likely fail in the future and would most certainly die soon enough … and so on.
Mind you, I doubt that slaves unfortunately picked for that particular duty had a long lifespan either 🙂
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“Respice post te, hominem memento te,”
Very, very loosely translated as Look around you, you are [ only ] a man remember [ and not a god ]
I had that Roman method of trying to keep a returning and victorious General’s feet firmly fixed in the real world when I posted #11
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That worked a treat, didn’t it.
Rome, population 1st century AD: 1 to 2 million
Rome, population 5th Century AD: 50,000.
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Oops.
6th Century AD.
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Rome controlled the entire Italian Peninsula from about the third century BC.
Rome’s Empire in the true sense of an Empire and not just as a period of civilisation, lasted until the third century AD or around 500 to 600 years.
Not bad for a single city to create and hold an Empire that covered most of the western civilisation of the times and was geographically the largest empire on earth.
And it remained the largest Empire in a historical sense until Genghis Khan sent his Mongol hordes across Central Asia in the early 13th century and even into the heart of Europe where they stayed as the overlords of the Rusks, the western Russians of today for a few centuries longer.
Romes rise to power actually began around 500 BC and its influence lasted until around the 8th century AD, a period of over one and quarter thousand years.
The Chinese with 3000 years of civilisation and perhaps closer to 5000 years of civilisation are the only ones who have come close to Rome’s rise to power and the Roman Empire it created.
But the Chinese civilisation and its Empire[s ] were always nation / state and were often split between three ever changing kingdoms and numerous warlords where as Rome’s Empire generally was ruled from and by Rome and the Senate in the Republic period and by Emperors from Rome in the Empire period.
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You forget that Alaric I turned up in the 5th Century and sacked the joint with his Goths. It was a shadow of its former self thereafter.
It never recovered.
And then the Catholic Church took over.
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And as General Douglas MacArthur said;
Here’s to
THE KOOLAID, THE KOOLAID AND THE KOOLAID.
We now have a country with a dysfunctional management by parliament, an educational system where self discipline and learning are optional and our army is aware of only one enemy,
KLIMATE CHANGE.
KK
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It wouldn’t surprise me that a military figure who would be steeped in a culture of following orders and climbing the ranks to a position of seniority (where non conformity is not a useful trait) might lack intellectual curiosity. The same is unfortunately true of the judiciary and government – part of the reason for this sorry assault on science and common sense.
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Actually, your contention was not true in the past.
Initiative and innovation were well regarded, as was logic and decisiveness.
The military changed when the academics were set free to infect the young ADFA minds producing an Orwellian officer Corps with a Socialist education and a distorted view of history – just like all the social academics produced by 30 years of infected universities.
Even ‘think tanks’ such as the Royal United Services Institute only promotes the Admiral Barrie line. viz:
“You also seem to have assumed that the traditional mission of the
Infantry (“to seek out and close with the enemy, to kill or capture him, to
seize and hold ground and repel attack, by day and night, regardless of
season, weather or terrain”) is the mission of the modern ADF. It is not.
The ADF has a much broader mission extending to aspects of national security and which encompasses humanitarian assistance and disaster relief (HADR).
An effect of climate change has been to intensify weather systems (pump more energy into them), making storm events (cyclones, tornados, floods,
bushfires etc. more intense and damaging than hitherto, as insurance company records readily attest. The ADF is being increasingly called on to provide HADR in such circumstances. Indeed, much to my consternation, the
government/Navy has optimised the two new LHD amphibious assault ships for
HADR rather than warfighting. [In my opinion, this is the wrong priority –
we should have retained the original Spanish Armada design which was
optimised for warfighting.]
Further, rising sea-levels are making some Pacific islands uninhabitable and increasingly Australia and New Zealand will be expected to house the ‘climate refugees’. This will be a minor inconvenience, though, by comparison with the climate refugees from low-lying heavily populated deltas as in Bangladesh and other parts of Asia.
It is concerns such as these which have high-level military planners very
concerned, as Admiral Barry [sic] indicated in his paper.
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“For the first time in mankind’s history our planet may become unsuitable for habitation in many of the places where large populations presently live. The Climate Change Institute at the Australian National University (ANU) asserts; changes would be irreversible on the time scale of human civilisation and would dramatically change the planet as we know it.
This is an unprecedented problem – the global population and its actions are bumping up hard against the capacity of the planet to sustain us in the present form.”
Is the cry from elites across the globe, UN, IMF, World Bank, major government officials. IMO It is the major for slowness in pushing for conflict resolutions, emergency medical help during possible epidemics. This bureaucratically driven laxity in response is deliberate and Lieutenant General Angus Campbell DSC voices the reason why.
The lateness in action of world leaders to the African Ebola outbreak (and AIDS before it), NATO’s continuing harassment of the Russians via the politics of their borders, the lack of resolve in restraining the Syrian war (and feeding both sides with arms). Any African conflict, and so many more…
The fact that UN-Peacekeeper do not keep any peace but just catalog damage and tally numbers, especially of dead bodies after conflict. They will supply aide and relief to overstressed areas but only after enough political pressure has been brought to bare on the situation.
There are many other instances of these kinds of (political) omissions, eugenic by stealth, I’m sure you can think of a few more.
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Malthusians all to be sure. Where does one join the Club of Rome?
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http://www.commonwealthclubrome.org/joining-the-club.html
or
http://www.aicrome.org/join-now/
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Try the Scholars Bar Via Veneto,not a bad place to sink a few pints of Guinness after a hard day in the sun looking at ruins.
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This August I will visit this bar hand I will consult its oracle.
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Kissinger also advocated use of UN troops to quell violence in any city in the world….coupled with these comments, you can see the establishment are quite loopy….
[Steve, I’m not sure why this got trapped in moderation. It should have gone through as far as I can see, so it’s approved. Sorry for the delay.] AZ
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“Much will depend on how correct some of the assumptions in our models are, and how effective are any mitigation and adaptation strategies we develop, and actually implement.”
Well, there you have it. The ADF has a climate change research and response division…if not in name, then in function. If Campbell thought fighting a battle was difficult, wait until he has experience chasing all the canaries in the coalmines thrown up by the World’s overzealous Green activists.
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Speaking of models …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpq1CEjyz48
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What an embarrassment.
Monasch must be spinning in his grave at about 1500 rpm.
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If he can work it up to 3000 he can double as the frequency regulator for wind power.
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The tragedy is that Monash implemented a lot of Victoria’s formerly properly designed electricity network.
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Why argue with him? The planet has become uninhabitable in many places because of climate change. I’ll even suggest where they are — university campuses and national capitols like Canberra and Washington DC. Even Sacramento is infected with the climate change disease.
Those places are infected with political unpleasantness to the point where I wouldn’t try to live there, all mostly because of climate change.
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Or maybe we should move in and take over… Don’t I wish.
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The planet has become uninhabitable in many places because of a certain religious climate change, if our top military people cannot distinguish an immediate threat from a falsifiable hypothesis then something has gone dramatically wrong with our much admired defence forces.
As someone who would put their life on the line for his country I wouldn’t want clowns like this making decisions in battle that affect those lives, yes I know military history shows poor decisions from leaders but brass like this are something else, teddy bears and candles to replace mine fields?!!!
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Agreed. It is a disgrace that our militaries and politicians do not recognise this expansionist totalitarian political ideology disguised as a religion that is threatening our Western Civilisation. At least Trump recognises it, others may follow.
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Don’t feel bad Yoni. You aren’t alone. We have that same thing going on here to the extent that military planners are said to have been ordered to take climate change into account now in all their forward projections and planning. It’s a mystery to me why their gold stars don’t jump off their uniform lapels and run to hide somewhere lest they be seen on the uniform of someone so out of touch with reality. You would think that by the time someone earns a gold star or two they would kick back at the boss. But military discipline and chain of command have apparently kicked that out of them and they don’t take the risk.
I don’t remember what book it was because it was a long time ago but I once read some good advice for leaders that was very simple and direct, keep someone around who isn’t afraid to holler BS when it’s BS. I think Donald Trump may be that person. I only hope he pays attention to those around him when they holler BS because he’s nominated some really sharp people and already Rex Tillerson, one of the best, is balking at some of the policies his boss has said he would implement.
Ain’t life grand? At lest if you don’t take it too seriously.
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Many adults, both female and male,
On climate are destined to fail,
Going hell bent for leather,
In their war on Earth’s weather,
Being duped by a very tall tale.
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Yes,
since the CO2 level got above 235ppm 13,000 years ago
……. and agriculture became possible,
this is the first time “this century”
that this self-anointed elite helped lead the tribe and claimed
…..that your kids might have to be sacrificed
………so his offspring can continue to do well.
Isn’t neat what how the genetic and behavioral bottleneck of the ice ages selected
behaviors and skills
…….17,000 years ago when the huge dust levels made living almost impossible.
But “life will find a way” and we have to remember the (prioritized) important things:
…1. procure water,
…2. procure food,
…3. procreation opportunities,
…4. personal safety,
…5. protection from weather,
…6. longevity of kids/grandkids,
…7. member of tribe/gang for personal safety
…8. member of tribe/gang for safety of kids/grandkids
…9. leader/anointed consumer of extra resources in the tribe/gang
……..to allow access to mates and better nutrition.
…10. overcome neighboring tribes to get better food, shelter
…….and reduce competition
…11. better way to do things (like defend self)
=> in priority/importance order of overlapping bell curves
and apologies to Maslow and his “Hierarchy of Needs” management wisdom
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The War of wonky words, the latest invention and it must be true!
Angus- Campbell- designer of the ultimate kaki clad ration pack, the gender neutral tin, guaranteed to taste and looks exactly the same as the rest. But guaranteed, to contain genuine Angus-B a 50-50% mix, from cows and bulls alike. Primarily designed with climate change in mind, it can be eaten according to Will, frozen, while on arctic manoeuvre’s or boiling hot during desert operations. Developed by our CSIRO, the carefully selected range of ingredient, while totally safe to eat and highly nutritious, can immediately convert into a deadly explosive, by the simple addition of a clip on fuse. Code named the Gore factor. The Inconvenient Truth is, that when used, it will turn logical well trained minds, into a surrendering leaderless rabble!
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Did I miss the announcement that April Fools Day had arrived earlier?
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I have seen a few stories lately that also prompted that thought.
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Remember that the previous Chief of Army made “gender reassignments” a priority.
Now this one makes “climate change” a priority.
I wonder if we’ll ever get one that has Australia’s military interests at heart?
http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/news/national/sex-change-and-breast-enhancements-for-australian-defence-force-troops-hits-640000/news-story/118d6b2b7d645b8536b79411344fac26
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The classic photograph was published at Michael Smith News website of several ADF officers dressed as females in uniform at a conference.
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This is the photo. Looks like a combination of Australian, US and other transgenders in uniform at a transgendered in the military conference in Washington, DC.
Great to see the strong focus on military matters relevant to our AUS/US Alliance….
Picture: http://michaelsmithnews.typepad.com/.a/6a0177444b0c2e970d01b8d1a39932970c-pi
Story: http://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2016/02/adf-priorities-on-display-in-washington-dc-with-australian-entourage-at-transgender-in-military-show.html
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Just over a year ago four officers were sent to Washington DC to attend a conference on transgender people who work in the military.
I don’t know if there was a conference on transgender people who work in department stores, libraries or dental practices – probably not I’d guess. And I can’t see what makes the military so special that the 3 transgender women officers (plus the Vice Chief of Defence’s representative, the VCDF couldn’t make it) had to all jet off to Washington – but that’s what happened. It no doubt has a lot to do with them using other people’s money.
Last point – look at the media section of the trip report. So the conference got good somewhat prurient and a little voyeuristic press, is that what the ADF values? What if the press was lousy – wouldn’t they get next year’s trip approved? My kids were at school with two little girls whose dad was a Major in the Engineers. Just before he deployed to Afghanistan for the 3rd time he told me that the bomb suit helmets he and his men were issued were 3rd rate because of costs. Good to see the ADF has its priorities right hey.
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“It is being caused by climate change associated with global warming.”
Are these two separate concepts? I always thought one used to be called the other.
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Yes, they changed the name for marketing reasons when it became obvious even to some of the alarmists that there was no global warming.
“Climate change” is perfect because they get funding no matter what happens to the climate, as long as it keeps changing.
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If that is the sort of logic that our army commanders apply, I dread to think what would happen in a real conflict.
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We would all feel safer if Lieutenant General Angus Campbell DSC, AM, was working for the enemy, whoever they are.
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Apparently an inquiring mind isn’t one of the qualifications required for senior officers in our Army.
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I suspect the Chief was influenced by similar nonsense going on in the US Military at about the same time.
Anyway, Trump will fix things as far as the US Military is concerned. Who will fix us?
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/09/14/climate-change-poses-significant-risk-to-us-military-report-says.html
https://climateandsecurity.org/2016/07/07/general-keys-the-military-thinks-climate-change-is-serious/#more-9182
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/military-leaders-urge-trump-to-see-climate-as-a-security-threat/
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So we have not had Sydney under 100metres of water, as predicted by the ABC Scientist Robyn Williams. He has had twenty years to be proven right. It has snowed heavily in England, bringing London to a stop, snow which was predicted never to happen again. The world temperature has plunged dramatically at the end of 2016 and we have an Australian General talking about Climate Change and Global Warming? Why do Generals indulge in political science? Next we will have an Australian General walking around in stilettos to promote gay issues.
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It has already happened
http://morningmail.org/chief-army-wears-high-heels/
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oops graham i gave you a red one in error!
I actually intended a green.
GeoffW
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The more I read about Morrison the more I understood the motives behind Fragging.
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Don’t forget the Arctic being ice free by 2013, and 50 million climate refugees by 2010.
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What do you expect from the people bombing the Syrian Army (“by mistake”) and destroying Syrian infrastructure – power stations, bridges, pylons, water plants etc.?
In sum, the supporters of ISIS and the partitioning of the Middle East,. The obliging minions of London and Washington.
Two Bridges Across Euphrates Bombed This Week
‘al-Qaeda’ Cuts Off Water Supply for 5 Million Syrians in Damascus
al-Qaeda is of course an ally of the West (including Australia)
How the Mainstream Media Turned Al Qaeda into a US Ally in Syria
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That’s all very interesting Alfred, but it has nothing to do with climate change or Angus being slowly roasted.
Our army is ready to assist people caught out by severe weather events beyond the capacity of the local authorities to handle, local and overseas.
That is where HADR comes into play and will be of immense importance if global cooling turns really nasty.
http://www.defence.gov.au/defencenews/stories/2011/dec/1209b.htm
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el gordo,
You are of course superficially quite correct.
However, when someone is running an organisation that is lying about killing innocent people one should not be surprised that this person will lie about climate as well. Liars are generally habitual.
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‘You are of course superficially quite correct.’
With 18c hanging over our heads we tend to avoid minefields, be careful where you walk.
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Alfred (Melbourne) –
CAGW mob (& FakeNewsMSM) not at all interested in millions of Damascus residents having their water cut off – and contaminated with diesel – by the Al Qaeda mob. funny that.
kudos to Progressive Left Counterpunch for re-publishing libertarian Bovard’s USA Today piece. extraordinary how Obama fanatics still see him as the Nobel Peace Prize Pres. heard an ABC guy on local ABC yesterday morning getting all excited over Obama’s Chicago farewell speech. if we did nothing else yesterday, we were to listen to that 50-plus minute nonsense, because it was absolutely incredible blah bah:
9 Jan: Counterpunch: Trump Must Expose Obama’s Abuses of Power
by James Bovard
(A shorter version of this column originally appeared in USA Today)
President-elect Donald Trump will face pervasive doubts about his legitimacy from the day he takes office. Trump’s opponents will assert that he is governing in unprecedented and reckless ways. The best response to that charge is to open the books to reveal how the Obama administration stretched its power far beyond what most Americans realized…
At the end of Obama’s presidency, the United States is bombing seven foreign nations – but most of the actions have been cloaked in secrecy, often supplemented by deceit…
The U.S. has armed and bankrolled Al Qaeda-linked groups in Syria despite federal law prohibiting providing material support to terrorist groups. The U.S. ***12,192 bombs on Syria last year – at a time when much of the Washington establishment and media was vilifying Obama for not intervening. We need the bureaucratic smoking guns on this policy…
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/09/trump-must-expose-obamas-abuses-of-power/
***how many of those bombs landed on open spaces, on civilians, on Syrian troops, etc?
10 Jan: Daily Caller: Peter Hasson: Obama Refers To Himself 75 Times In Farewell Address
President Obama referred to himself 75 times in his farewell address Tuesday night, according to a review of his prepared remarks by The Daily Caller…
Obama said “I” 33 times during the speech, “my” 20 times, “me” 10 times, and “I’m” or “I’ve” 12 times…
The president made a habit of focusing large chunks of his speeches on himself during his eight years in office.
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/10/obama-refers-to-himself-75-times-in-farewell-address/
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This bloke might win the Pratties next year, he is certainly lobbying for it. I particularly loooove this quote:
First of all only Climate Change POLICY affects energy, and secondly Mr Prattie contestant, energy can produce MORE FOOD through irrigation, building greenhouses, hydroponics, just look at the Marijuana grow houses that regressive policy encourages to be littered across the nightly news to see how effective ENERGY is at growing stuff. Using ENERGY we can even grow stuff is SPACE. Energy can also turn dirty/salt/human excrement water into potable drinking water just ask the astronauts on the international space station. ENERGY is the ONLY wedge humanity has against the environment, whether mother nature decides it will become hotter or COLDER. [[snip] People] like this think making ENERGY expensive helps – what total carp – it is the WORST THING HUMANITY COULD DO from a resilience point of view.
So I call BS on this ludicrous statement it is WRONG, let me fix it.
ENERGY AVAILABILITY WILL AFFECT THE AVAILABILITY OF FOOD AND WATER
Nothing more, nothing less.
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Damn, I tried so hard to avoid moderation but just couldn’t!
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“Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity” (Einstein)
I’ve been waiting 30 years for climate change to start. I looked out the window this morning and it’s just another day like it was in 1950 when I was kid. If Armageddon started 30 years ago surely we would have seen some effect by now? Don’t these people have windows? It’s so bl**dy obvious now that you don’t even need to be a scientist any more to know that the mild warming isn’t even noticeable and isn’t going to a problem.
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The problem is that on the inside of their window they have their fossil fuel powered air conditioning at 18 degrees so that when they walk outside on that 40 Deg day it seems hot – real hot. When I was at school the students and teachers had to work in a hot classroom maybe 5 degrees above the nominal 40 deg outside from the body heat of 35 kids alone, so that when we went outside it became COOLER even on a 40 deg day.
This is a large part of the perception that it is hotter. Urban Millenials are such snowflakes, partly because they grew up in air-conditioned classrooms.
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So much for rising sea levels. Venice transport is crippled by low tide:
http://www.news.com.au/travel/world-travel/europe/low-water-cripples-venices-gondolas/news-story/9a1257327e8f6e7b9da4d656269647e6
I have not seen this story in TV news.
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And by centuries old timber piers sinking into the water soaked sands below
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Same old story with the Pacific Islands……..the sea levels are rising. Could someone please explain to [[snip] them] that water levels will always rise GLOBALLY not just in one spot….namely one or two islands which need a big increase in revenue from AUS/NZ taxpayers.
Haven’t noticed sea levels rising in Brisbane & if they do will Fiji and all the other parasites send us lots of cash in compensation please!
I’ve said it before but maybe, like the warmists, if I keep saying it, they’ll hear me….sea levels will rise in direct proportion to the amount of tax dollars on offer.
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Glad I am out of the Green machine. It seems to be run by retards.
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Justin: Next there will be environmentally friendly bombs,..give us a break,…
Strangely enough that was suggested about 10 years back, and the Smug Elite laughed at it.
A defence company, memory wants me to say BAE Systems UK but open to correction, proposed a ‘Green Bullet’. The bullet was made of environmentally friendly materials instead of large amounts of lead with the intent being that the backstops on firing ranges would no longer be requiring filled with metals that had the protential to cause health risks down the track.
“GASP! How can a bullet be environmentally friendly?! Bullet’s kill people!” mocked the Elite.
“Stuff you then”, said BAE.
I am lead (groan, pun not intended) to be believe that ‘Green’ bullets still do exist, probably because the people who make and market them no longer bother attempting to talk to the media about them first.
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The Green Bullet is still about —
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_bullet
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It would be very funny if it wasn’t so serious. Bit late in the day to be jumping on the GW/CC wagon, but I suppose when retirement threatens, one’s perspective on life changes.
The key factor that will “change our planet as we know it” will be the major change in demographics brought about by the huge differential in birth rates between the West, and those originating from somewhere between the East and West, who consider a return to a rustic, or even nomadic existence, would be the way to go.
Give it another 30-50 years, and there will not be any discussion about global warming or cooling, or any other climate related issue. Maybe there will not be any discussion about anything, just recital of known truths.
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“The scale of climate change problems, their unpredictability, and the level of support required from land forces are key issues for us to better understand.”
So give us some more money.
Seriously, climate change is simply the new safety. That budget line item which is inviolate and the slush fund which no-one dares question.
I bet the Air Force goes one better and announces the F-35’s are now budgeted in the “Airborne Temperature Sensor deployment” project.
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So much more funding for these horrors is required.
The General should be given a generous pay rise to command this ugly war to save the planet from total destruction.
That should keep his bank account in order until he moves on to civvy st where he can take a multi million dollar position as a CEO of the massive legal criminal gang.
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Perhaps Australia needing 12 submarines is predicated on sea levels rising so much that the navy will be the one and only service we require.
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The Army will need those submarine to get to their bases.
Just ask any of the sea level alarmista.
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This farce should have been over by now.
Here is a comparison of southern and northern hemisphere sea-surface temperatures from HadSST versions 2 and 3.
http://woodfortrees.org/graph/hadsst2nh/mean:12/plot/hadsst2sh/mean:12/plot/hadsst3sh/mean:12
Red is NH HadSST version 2 and blue is SH HadSST version 3. There is a poor correlation between all pairs of versions and hemispheres between 1940 and 1970 but its pretty obvious that something is wrong in the other periods.
This was not a mistake. dCO2/dt correlates best with HadSST3 SH or HadSST2 NH. Or CO2 levels correlate well with the integral of the two temperatures but best with HadSST3 SH.
http://woodfortrees.org/graph/hadsst2nh/from:1958/offset:0.4/integral/scale:0.26/offset:315/plot/hadsst3sh/from:1958/offset:0.4/integral/scale:0.25/offset:315/plot/esrl-co2/mean:12
Take note of the offsets and scaling. I suspect that once there were adjustments by infilling of the Arctic temperatures that it would have become obvious that the Keeling curve is calculated using NH SST (now SH SST), which might be justified but it changes to temperature were directly proportional to the derivative of CO2 levels, then that whole curve is BS.
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The very stupidity of thinking they can “measure” SST to even the nearest 2 – 5 degrees before 2003 is hilarious for a start.
To pretend they can measure changes of less than 0.1C on a monthly basis back in 1860, is absolutely LUDICRIOUS.
Putting error bars on that graph, would show just how TOTALLY and UTTERLY MEANINGLESS it is.
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But its not meaningless because they correlate so well. I’m not saying that the rest of your comment is wrong.
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20 million hectares of eucalyptus species? I am sure California will be happy to plant a few more, just in time for the next bushfire season. And might I suggest blue gums? They would be best for fuel given their highly flammable oils. Just make sure that there is a big fence to keep arsonists out, and lots of lightening rods to prevent natural ignition.
Seriously, do these people ever think things through to their logical conclusions?
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No, a lot of academics do not understand much beyond their ivory towers.
The main commercial eucalypt oil is cineole, and Eucalyptus globulus (Tas. Blue Gum) is the main source, but not from Australia, more likely India, Spain and Portugal. If there is a reasonable price they harvest and distill it, but not always.
The only commercial eucalypt oil operations in Aust. are for “mallee” species (for mainly phellandrene which is used for scent manufacture) and the total production wouldn’t be enough to start a jet turbine. Kerosene is better
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12 Jan: ClimateChangeNews: Megan Darby: Global clean energy investments fell in 2016: BNEF
China cut back on renewable power subsidies to focus on grid upgrades, say analysts, driving a global slump
Investment in clean energy fell 18% to US$287.5 billion in 2016, according to an end of year report from Bloomberg New Energy Finance.
The year after world leaders agreed a groundbreaking climate pact, key markets China and Japan showed a marked downturn…
Justin Wu, head of Asia for BNEF: “China is facing slowing power demand and growing wind and solar curtailment. The government is now focused on investing in grids and reforming the power market so that the renewables in place can generate to their full potential.
“In Japan, future growth will come not from utility-scale projects but from rooftop solar systems installed by consumers attracted by the increasingly favorable economics of self-consumption.”…
Offshore wind was a stand-out positive trend. Capital spending rose 40% worldwide to $29.9bn and Dong Energy’s 1.2GW Hornsea array got the go-ahead in the UK, the largest such project to date.
That helped Europe to record a 3% rise in investment to $70.9bn.
“The offshore wind record last year shows that this technology has made huge strides in terms of cost-effectiveness, and in proving its reliability and performance,” said Jon Moore, chief executive of BNEF.
US overall figures were down 7%, despite a surge in solar installations before tax credits were due to expire.
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/01/12/global-clean-energy-investments-fell-in-2016-bnef/
BNEF: Clean Energy Investment: End of Year 2016
https://about.bnef.com/clean-energy-investment/
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Completely O/T
Jo and David,
you maybe interested in these two papers. Yes they are modeled studies but the correlations with observations are very good.
The Influence of Solar System Oscillation on
the Variability of the Total Solar Irradiance
(available free)
¯
and
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“A connection from Arctic stratospheric ozone to El Niño-Southern oscillation” by Fei Xie1, Jianping Li1.
(available on open access)
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A proud history of Aussie military leaders from the Charge of the Light Horse Brigade at the Battle of Gaza (perhaps the last successful cavalry charge in history) now falling to this shameful, disgusting level of capitulation to a little CO2. Holy effin’ s**t. I’m so sorry for you proud, loyal, patriotic Aussies. Let’s try to vote this crap out of office, okay? You can do it.
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11 Jan: Thomson Reuters Foundation: Zoe Tabary: Trump, rising populism threaten to slow climate action, analyst says
Rising global populism and pressure to reduce U.S. environmental regulation are among the issues to watch in 2017 as efforts to address climate change push ahead, a sustainability expert said Wednesday.
Action to address global warming should be non-partisan to make the kind of ambitious progress needed, Andrew Steer, president of the Washington-based World Resources Institute, told reporters.
But U.S. President-elect Donald Trump has suggested he will scrap policies to address climate change in his first year in office, Steer said, noting that even “the Environmental Protection Agency could be pulled off the table and abolished.”
Steer predicted U.S. environmental groups will increasingly take the government to court to safeguard climate policies…
“If you’re against globalization, you tend to be against global agreements on climate,” he said…
Whether the world sees any level of fossil fuel renaissance or a continuing renewable energy surge also remains to be seen this year, Steer said…
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-climatechange-politics-energy-idUSKBN14V2TC
11 Jan: Reuters: China’s Xi to promote globalization at Davos, not ‘war and poverty’
By Christian Shepherd and Tom Miles, Beijing/Geneva
(Reporting by Christian Shepherd; Editing by Michael Perry and Raissa Kasolowsky)
China’s President Xi Jinping will promote “inclusive globalization” at this month’s World Economic Forum (WEF) in Davos and will warn that populist approaches can lead to “war and poverty”, Chinese officials said on Wednesday.
This year’s forum, from Jan. 17-20, is expected to be dominated by discussion of a surge in public hostility toward globalization and the rise of U.S. President-elect Donald Trump, whose tough talk on trade, including promises of tariffs against China and Mexico, helped win him the White House. Trump will be sworn in on Jan. 20.
Xi is the first Chinese president to ever attend the WEF’s annual forum in Davos, which brings together top-level political and business leaders…
“Channels of communication are open” between China and Trump’s transition team at the forum, Li said, but warned that scheduling a meeting might be difficult…
The United States will be represented at Davos by Vice President Joe Biden and Secretary of State John Kerry, days before they leave office, as well as someone from the Trump transition team, the WEF said on Tuesday.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-davos-meeting-china-idUSKBN14V0AV
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12 Jan: AFP: Marie-Noëlle BLESSIG: Globalisation ‘easy scapegoat’ for global angst: WEF chief
Geneva (AFP) – The man behind the annual Davos forum that for decades has been singing the praises of global trade insists that globalisation is only one factor in dramatic shifts provoking angst and anger.
Klaus Schwab, the 78-year-old founder and executive chairman of the World Economic Forum, told AFP in an interview this week he understood that rapid changes in our societies were provoking anxiety, but stressed that globalised trade was not the sole culprit.
“It’s not just a backlash against globalisation,” he said, adding that “what we are witnessing is a time of enormous change.”…
His comments came after a wave of anti-establishment populism over the past year which saw Britain vote to leave the European Union and maverick billionaire businessman Donald Trump elected as US president…
Schwab said the world appeared to be in “emotional turmoil” but said the turbulence was rooted in a range of factors, including deep concerns over how new technologies are threatening jobs.
Globalisation, he insisted, is simply “a very easy scapegoat.”…
A more isolationist world would be “different from today’s world,” he said, including a likely return of borders and border controls in Europe “with all the inconvenience for business but also for people that borders represent.”
“But what I’m much more concerned with is the fact that countries become ***much more egotistical under the pressure of the national electorate,” he said…
The organisation pointed to an opinion piece in the New York Times that he co-authored in 1996, in which he warned that the “mounting backlash against (globalisation’s) effects … is threatening a very disruptive impact on economic activity and social stability in many countries.”…
“I think in a world which is disintegrating and which is polarising, you need ***a clue, and you need a mechanism for interaction, you need a mechanism for dialogue,” he said.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/globalisation-easy-scapegoat-global-angst-wef-chief-023052699.html
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Almost as bad as David Morrison. What the hell is the Australian Army producing! Now I’m worried.
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It is always surprising to note the distance between the people at the top and the people who actually use and make the equipment the army uses.
I have it on good authority that if you go to Lima the safety briefing before you are allowed near a M1A1 begins as follows:
“This is a killing machine. It doesn’t really care if you are inside or outside.”
Personally I have never been to Lima. My safety induction for Bandiana was worded a bit differently. More about never walking behind in case the engine was running and the gas turbine exhaust roasted me. Or in front of them either, in case the turret was traversed, the front was really the back and the gas turbine exhaust roasted me.
Point being there was absolutely nothing about watching my carbon footprint.
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“absolutely nothing about watching my carbon footprint.”
On the contrary.. it was all about NOT leaving a carbon footprint 😉
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If one ran you over you would be thinly applied carbon based M1A1 footprint.
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Not another one of THOSE “Chiefs of the Army”, sigh.
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“Climate change” has already brought the UK military into action, except it is not due to heat but cold!
In the Daily Mail today: “Inspector Mark Hilson briefs soldiers from Alma Company, 2nd Battalion The Yorkshire Regiment, who are supporting local authorities in Skegness”.
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Which is precisely the point, global cooling will put a lot of ordinary people at risk and the armed forces are there to serve the community when the local authorities can’t cope.
In Australia we get tourists escaping the NH winter and they are surprised our red heart has turned green.
Canadian tourist Logan said he could not believe the desert could look so green.
“I was honestly shocked by it; I thought it was supposed to be dead, red, with nothing here,” he said.
Italian traveller Frederica said she was also surprised.
“It’s called the Red Centre, but it’s the green centre. It’s like a very low forest, with small trees; it’s magical,” she said.
Weatherzone
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Cold air outbreak over UK, the armed forces are on Yellow alert status.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-344.38,52.11,845/loc=4.068,50.787
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Is DLDonald due to arrive in the UK or something?? 🙂
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hahahahahahahaha….
13 Jan: Guardian: Jasper Jackson: BBC sets up team to debunk fake news
Permanent Reality Check team will target false stories or facts being shared on social med
The BBC is to assemble a team to fact check and debunk deliberately misleading and false stories masquerading as real news.
Amid growing concern among politicians and news organisations about the impact of false information online, news chief James Harding told staff on Thursday that the BBC would be “weighing in on the battle over lies, distortions and exaggerations”.
The plans will see the corporation’s Reality Check series become permanent, backed by a dedicated team targeting false stories or facts being shared widely on social media.
“The BBC can’t edit the internet, but we won’t stand aside either,” Harding said. “We will fact check the most popular outliers on Facebook, Instagram and other social media.
“We are working with Facebook, in particular, to see how we can be most effective…
***False information around big events such as the UK’s referendum on leaving the EU and the US election has been especially rife, with numerous instances of completely fabricated stories…
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/12/bbc-sets-up-team-to-debunk-fake-news
***Guardian/BBC and the rest of the FakeNewsMSM lied and lied about Brexit and Trump…and then they LOST, because hundreds of thousands of ordinary citizen fact-checkers saw through their lies.
now they want to add another layer of lies over their lies!
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They can start with anyone that mentions the ‘war on carbon’ or other use of the element C rahter than specify the molecule carbon dioxide (CO2).
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It might be time to remind the government that I will take as much Carbon as they want to dump in my backyard, with the only stipulation being that it MUST be in the solid tetrahedral crystalline form.
So far no shipment…. Turnbull such an opportunity to turn down!
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Why all the surprise at the discovery of “fake news”? Otherwise known as “lies” they has been observed throughout written history – that they now invade electronic media should be expected.
Google; “Hitler’s Diaries” (1981), “Zinoviev Letter” (1924), “Ems telegram (1870 – early electronic example) all the way back to “the Donation of Constantine” circa 800 AD.
If the BBC go ahead with this I wonder if they will allow comments! If they do they will, at last, be facilitating an actual debate concerning the Global Warming Narrative!
Seeing that it would be for me “Nunc Domittis” – “Now Lord let thy servant depart in peace”.
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“OK, listen-up men this is serious!
We’re going in as it is worse than we thought.
Reconnaissance tells us our enemy been using chemical weapons. CO2 fire extinguishers!
The barstewards!”
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“CO2 fire extinguishers!”
oh, ohhh.. Its gunna be hot in there. !!
Have you all got your back-radiation tablets with you ???
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10 Jan: WaPo: Republicans want to fight climate change, but fossil-fuel bullies won’t let them
by Sheldon Whitehouse
(The writer, a Democrat, represents Rhode Island in the Senate)
The dirty secret is that climate change is not really a partisan issue in Congress. Its history has not been partisan, with Republican senators such as John McCain, Lamar Alexander, Susan Collins, Lindsey O. Graham and Jeff Flake (as a House member) having introduced climate bills in the past…
Republicans are not idiots. On the Senate Armed Services Committee, they hear the military warn of climate change as a catalyst of conflict and a threat to low-lying military bases such as Norfolk and Diego Garcia…
They see overwhelming polling numbers showing young voters — even young Republican voters — in favor of climate action…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/republicans-want-to-fight-climate-change-but-fossil-fuel-bullies-wont-let-them/2017/01/10/177dbd4e-cc82-11e6-b8a2-8c2a61b0436f_story.html?utm_term=.8f9836019381
2 pages: 12 Jan: PewResearchCenter: The World Facing Trump: Public Sees ISIS, Cyberattacks, North Korea as Top Threats
Nearly eight-in-ten (77%) Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say global climate change is a major threat to the well-being of the United States, compared with only 25% of Republicans and Republican…
Ideological divides in views of major threats
Differences over the seriousness of global threats facing the United States are even more pronounced when looking at ideology and partisanship. For instance, 88% of liberal Democrats regard global climate change as a major threat to the United States, making it the top threat among eight included.
By contrast, just 18% of conservative Republicans say global climate change is a major threat…
Methodology
The analysis in this report is based on telephone interviews conducted January 4-9, 2017 among a national sample of 1,502 adults, 18 years of age or older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia (376 respondents were interviewed on a landline telephone, and 1,126 were interviewed on a cell phone, including 674 who had no landline telephone)…
http://www.people-press.org/2017/01/12/the-world-facing-trump-public-sees-isis-cyberattacks-north-korea-as-top-threats/
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just posted a comment that has gone into moderation.
13 Jan: Accuweather: Dangerous, potentially destructive ice storm looms for 1,000-mile swath of central US
By Alex Sosnowski
People from Texas to Ohio are bracing for a dangerous long-duration ice storm that could turn destructive and cut power to hundreds of thousands from Friday to Sunday.
A shallow layer of cold air in the atmosphere will accompany a storm over the central United States. The storm will produce a swath of freezing rain along a 1,000-mile swath.
As the chilled rain falls on cold surfaces, it will freeze into a thin glaze of ice at first. The transparent and slippery nature of the ice will be a great hazard for motorists and pedestrians…
The ice storm will begin on Friday. This day, the zone of freezing rain will extend from the Texas Panhandle to part of to southern portions of Illinois and Indiana. The zone of freezing rain will expand northward and eastward at night…
Untreated sidewalks, streets and highways can turn into a skating rink as a layer of clear, smooth ice forms.
“Travel is likely to be hazardous for hundreds of miles along Interstate 35, I-40 and I-70 in the Central states from Friday to Sunday,” according to AccuWeather Meteorologist Brett Rossio…
The power could be out for days in some communities of the southern and central Plains during and in the wake of the storm.
“The ice storm could rival that of late January and early February of 2002 in the region,” Rossio said.
In part of the central Plains, heavy snow can fall on top of the ice, which could add to the risk of downed trees and power outages…
http://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/dangerous-potentially-destructive-ice-storm-looms-for-1-000-mile-swath-of-central-us-to-end-the-week/70000533
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I have been reliably informed by my colleagues at Watts that this is only weather.
https://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2017/01/ca-more-atmospheric-river.png
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Yes, the Pineapple express – it occurs every 10 years or so in that part of the world – it’s just weather.
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Chilled rain falling onto freezing surfaces producing ice. That’s nothing new…it’s called rime. I remember being caught out when driving one day, I think it was early 1966, and slipping about 30 yds in my Morris Minor!
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In defence of the armed forces, as a combined unit they have been effective in bringing relief after natural disasters strike.
https://www.airforce.gov.au/Operations/Humanitarian-support/Recent-history-of-Air-Force-humanitarian-assistance/?RAAF-6MEVbT/rUtnAoN5eTB6bAKXUVFHmczIl
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HILARIOUS: California’s new senator Kamala Harris grills CIA director nominee Mike Pompeo about climate change:
12 Jan: Youtube: 2mins41secs: Sen. Kamala Harris questions Pompeo on climate change
READ THE COMMENTS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cm2UxdK94cg
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From David Archibald:
Another nutter from the Jo’s long list of climate nobodies. What next, Malcolm Roberts and Force X.
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Yep!!
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We are now sufficiently through Solar Cycle 24 to know that Archibalds prediction was not just wrong in magnitude but in direction. In the mid latitudes Solar Cycle 24 is hotter than any of the previous 24 solar cycles and the hottest years are more than 0.2c hotter than the hottest years in solar cycle 23 the previous hottest solar cycle.
I think we can safely dismiss Archibalds’ article as wishful thinking rather than science.
However there is evidence for the central proposition that we will see a ‘maunder minimum’ in the solar emissions over the next 30 – 40 years. However the effect of this will not be to reduce temperatures but to smooth out the rate of increase. The regular decline in temperatures seen as the cycle wanes, over the past few decades, will disappear. The only major factor in temperature fluctuations will be the ENSO influence. Warming due to CO2 will continue to increase as expected by Judith Curry and other competent scientists.
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When do you reckon solar cycle 24 will finish?
2020, 2021..
You are pre-empting.
There has been no warming due to CO2 over the whole of the satellite era..
…. no rate of increase…
… Just warming from NON-CO2 El Nino events.
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Solar Cycle 24 is predicted to finish in 2020 and there is no way temperatures will be dropping by 2.2 deg C during this cycle. As I pointed out they are already well above the last cycle and we are well into the tail of the cycle. https://solarscience.msfc.nasa.gov/predict.shtml
Both UAH5.6, UAH 6(beta) and RSS show warming of approximately 0.5 degC in the satellite estimates over the satellite era.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah6/from:1979/trend/plot/rss/from:1979/trend/plot/uah6/from:1979/plot/rss/from:1979
The surface temperature records show warming of about 0.6 deg C
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1979/trend/plot/gistemp/from:1979/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1979/plot/gistemp/from:1979
Even if you take 2015 and 2016 out of the record the satellite data still shows warming of about 0.4 deg C over the satellite era.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1979/to:2015/trend/plot/uah6/from:1979/to:2015/trend/plot/rss/from:1979/to:2015/plot/uah6/from:1979/to:2015
Judith Curry accepts that global warming is occurring and may well be primarily caused by CO2.
If you wont accept the evidence from your preferred scientists and your preferred data sets, there is little I can add.
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The warming in UAH, RSS came ONLY from El Ninos.
You PROVE that every time you use them to create a non-existent trend… as you have used the 1998 El Nino step in both your graphs.
GISS and HadCRud are NOT surface station records…
They are based on a total fabrication by GHCN using barely 50% of the land surface, with absolutely zero knowledge of just how bad any of that 50% they do have really is.. IT IS JUNK.. period. !! !!!
The only way to look for a CO2 signal is to look outside the two major El Ninos
When you do that , you find the FACT that there is…..
No warming before the 1998 El Nino..
https://s19.postimg.org/iwoqwlg1f/UAH_before_El_nino.png
https://s19.postimg.org/y6om3sbjn/RSS_Before_El_Nino.jpg
And No warming between the end of 1998 El Nino step in 2001 and the beginning of the 2015 El Nino
https://s19.postimg.org/b9yx58cxf/UAH_after_El_nino.png
https://s19.postimg.org/im6e8dgxf/RSS_pre_2015.png
There is NO WARMING in either RSS or UAH apart for that 1998 El Nino step.
That means that there is NO CO2 WAMING SIGNAL
That is the FACT that you are totally unable to accept because of your brain-washed, non-thinking miasma. You are IN DENIAL of the facts.
In RSS, even the current El Nino has already dropped back down to the ZERO trend line from 1997-2015, with more cooling to come.
https://s19.postimg.org/qp3u91to3/RSS_El_Nino_trend.png
There is still 3 or 4 years left of the current solar cycle.
Cooling is imminent.. how much and how quickly, only time will tell.
Certainly someone as brain-washed and ignorant as you isn’t going to know.
I’m guessing that David Archibald will be more accurate than most, if not all, of the climate models, which are already a total farce.
You are pre-empting, to make a meaningless ad-hom point. You have NOTHING
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Andy so what you are saying is the world is flat because you are standing on an escalator despite the fact that it is going upwards.
If the warming is caused by El Nino where is the cooling caused by La Nina. After all the ENSO cycle is neutral so there should be as much downward motion during the La Nina as there is upward motion during El Nino. The fact that the trend is upwards despite the ENSO cycle being Neutral is a clear indication that El Nino is not the cause of the warming trend.
The UAH6 trend for this decade is currently at more 0.3 degrees per decade and while it will undoubtedly decrease from that rate over the remaining three years of this decade the probability of it declining to anywhere near zero is remote. It is unlikely that we will see a year as cool as 2014 again in our lifetimes.
The RSS figures from 1979 to current with trend lines from 1979 and 1997 are shown here.
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:1979/trend/plot/rss/from:1997/trend/plot/rss/from:1979
The unsourced RSS graph you provide is bogus; it has included the 1997/8 El Nino in the calculation and ignored the 2015/2016 El Nino. Classic dishonest cherry-picking.
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ROFLMAO.. Straight across the El Ninos YET AGAIN.. PATHETICALLY predictable
Get a brain. You are sadly lacking one.
Sorry that you have ZERO idea how to do anything except monkey-brain trend lines.
The last RSS graph gives the back-calculated zero trend (you have no idea what that even means, do you), from just before the 2015 El Nino. The 1998 step change actually stops that zero trend from continuing back even further, There is nothing unsourced about it. It says exactly what data is used.
I can only assume you stopped basic maths at year 10, because you really are coming across as a mathematically illiterate drone.
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“The fact that the trend is upwards despite the ENSO cycle being Neutral is a clear indication that El Nino is not the cause of the warming trend.”
What nonsense.. IS nonsense all you have??
The El Nino is GONE. The temperature is back down to where it started before the EL Nino. The current El Nino has caused nothing but a sharp transient.
What is so difficult for you to comprehend, are you really THAT dumb ?????
No-one but a brain-dead monkey would include that transient in a trend calculation.. but you have, haven’t you, because you KNOW its the only way you can create a trend that just isn’t there.
https://s19.postimg.org/qp3u91to3/RSS_El_Nino_trend.png
The ENSO was NOT neutral during most of the pathetic trend line you have drawn through the 2015 /16 transient, so stop being a moronic twit, your ignorance is starting to become extremely obvious to everyone.
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“If the warming is caused by El Nino where is the cooling caused by La Nina.”
You have just proven your ignorance, yet again.
El Nino is an ocean discharge, La Nina is an ocean recharge.
The recharge is generally slow and harder to detect, the discharge is usually sharply transient.
The La Nina/El Nino around 2010 had no effect on the actual temperature trend, but there was some definite cooling in the lead-up to the start of the 2015 El Nino.
http://woodfortrees.org/plot/rss/from:2012.2/to:2014.2/plot/rss/from:2012.2/to:2014.2/trend
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Let’s have a look at some REAL Land data.
Not junk 50% fabricated from rubbish surface stations.
NO WARMING in UAH Land before the 1998 El Nino
https://s19.postimg.org/is632i7hv/UAH_land_before_1998_EL_Nino.png
And NO WARMING in UAH land between El Ninos.
https://s19.postimg.org/z4kq5zb77/UAH_land_after_1998_El_Nino.png
RSS land actually has a COOLING trend between the end of the 1998 El Nino in 2001, and the start of the 2015 EL Nino
https://s19.postimg.org/n3za593sj/RSS_land_between_El_Ninos.png
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I’m thrilled to see my comments in The Australian under Anthony Bergin’s idiotic opinion piece have been cited here by Jo.
Thanks, Jo.
I was trying to be a bit more emphatic with my comment but have found The Australian to be a bit sensitive on these issues, so I had to tone it down somewhat to evade the censor.
[“Toned down” eh? Thanks for popping in. Good on you for commenting at The Australian. The editors surely notice… – Jo]
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A military or defense leader that cannot properly assess and prioritize potential threats is worse than useless.
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There could be some global warming, militarily speaking, if Israel has to go nuclear on someones backside or if Kim Jong Un tries to reach out and touch the USA with his ICBM.
I thought our military was charged with closing with and killing the enemy, not worshipping Gaia.
Great website Jo. I barely understand some of the stuff being debated (that is why I think this is my first post of dubious value) but it is reassuring to know that there are plenty of folks out there with real scientific knowledge who can dig down into what the climate alarmists are saying.
[Thanks Perplexed — it’s always good to hear the lurkers speak .:-) — Jo]
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All the direct comments on this page, regarding General Campbells paper are ‘ad hominen’ attacks which do not contest the points he is making. Commentators simply claim he is wrong because the commentator does not accept the reality of AGW. You can not make a serious comment about what someone says if your sole evidence is the fact that you and a few mates don’t believe the evidence.
Come on people a little evidence to support your views would be good.General Campbell makes the claim that the cost of inaction on climate change will be about 15 times the cost of action, which is based on this paper from Stanford University.
https://web.stanford.edu/~mburke/climate/
This is only one way of estimating the cost but even if the paper is out by a factor of 10 it is still much saner to act than to do nothing.
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DavidR, perhaps you haven’t noticed that there are hundreds of posts on this site providing that evidence? Commenters here have discussed it to the nth, and anytime you want to provide the evidence supporting model feedbacks that the IPCC can’t find, feel free. They need you…
see references http://joannenova.com.au/2016/11/award-winning-peter-boyer-attacks-myron-ebell-but-who-has-an-open-mind-and-who-is-in-denial/
also
http://joannenova.com.au/tag/evidence/
http://joannenova.com.au/2012/10/man-made-global-warming-disproved/
http://joannenova.com.au/tag/solar-amplification/
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Jo, That doesn’t change the fact, that all of the comments are ‘ad hominem’ and don’t provide any evidence that contests the views put by General Campbell. The references in the article are typically (i didn’t follow them all) to misinformation sites.
For example the reference:
“If Campbell was a real leader,… he’d pop in and ask some of the top engineers and IT-guys in the ADF for a second opinion. … two thirds (or probably more now) are skeptics.” refers to a study of geoscientists and petrochemical engineers in the Canadian fossil fuel province of Alberta rather than members of the Australian Defence Force or even engineers and IT-guys in general. Hardly a relevant or unbiased study. In short there isn’t a claim made in Archibald’s article that is worthy of support, let alone repudiation.
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Ahh, the old ad hominem dismissal of evidence because a site is a “misinformation” site according to D.R. Who is Mr hypocriticus ad hominium eh?
The fact is, you still have no evidence.
We noticed you avoided supplying the one thing that would show you have a point.
So if I post up all the links I personally supplied to you (that you didn’t read) that will solve your protest right….
And seriously? You complain about ad homs and our supposed lack of evidence, then give us ad homs, and offer up an economic article?
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Jo, my point was that all the comments above are ‘ad hominem attacks’ on General Campbell and did not present any evidence. In evidence for that statement I present the 61 comments and sub comments above, which provide not a single fact disputing what General Campbell said. As for the article itself it does not provide any evidence that comes from scientifically trustworthy site to support its criticisms.
As for your ridiculous statement that my comment is ‘ad hominem’, ie an attack on the man not the issue; I have pointed out two facts, not attacked the author.
1. that the sites referred to are not reputable science based sites and
2. the survey referred to, is a survey of a group of engineers biased by their employment status in the fossil fuel industry and geographically located in a fossil fuel provice, and is not relevant to Australian engineers or specifically Defence engineers and IT staff as CLAIMED by the author.
Referring to other articles written by other people at other times does not change in any way the fact that these attacks are all ‘ad hominem’.
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David, you are attacking scientific arguments you have not read because of their “reputation”. That is pure 100% ad hom.
And if you followed my links you’d see I reference 100’s of peer reviewed papers which apparently are “OK” according to your ad-hom-method-of-knowledge.
So I backed up my criticisms of Campbell with hundreds of refs (data and obs). You have nothing but ad homs.
Hypocrite.
Hypocrite.
Hypocrite.
🙂
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Jo I have been following this debate long enough to be able to recognise rubbish. When an article starts with rubbish, I am not going to waste my time following the links to all the other rubbish. I have read enough articles at WUWT, The Australian and here to recognise the quality of the information provided.
When an article starts with a phrase like “Campbell appears to be completely duped by the weather-doctors” it is an immediate flag indicating that the contents will not be up to scratch.
An ‘ad hominem’ argument involves disparaging the author, rather than challenging the evidence they provide. I have merely challenged the evidence and hence the reliability of the article.
According to wikipedia: “Ad hominem (Latin for “to the man” or “to the person”[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
If Source A criticizes the actions of Source B, a tu quoque response is that Source A has acted in the same way. This argument is false because it does not disprove the premise; if the premise is true then Source A may be a hypocrite, but this does not make the statement less credible from a logical perspective. Indeed, Source A may be in a position to provide personal testimony to support the argument.” Hope that clarifies it for you.
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I’ve attacked your arguments, you’ve done nothing but ad homs (Sorry I’ll correct that, you have done other fallacies like argument from authority, too).
You refuse to read my arguments because I’ve published them on my own site, thus it is 100% ad hom and you are 100% hypocrite.
AS it is, I posted a link to the references and evidence in the article itself, so you’ve been wrong all along entirely. You missed this:
Shucks — another link full of papers you’ll have to ignore eh?
The only evidence Campbell provided to support his faith was argument from authority and “The US is doing it” and as you point out, an economic paper:
So you cite a Stanford paper on costs which assumes the models are right. We publish original research here by a Stanford graduate and professional modeler showing how the architecture of models is obviously wrong. http://joannenova.com.au/tag/climate-research-2015/ The models miss the rerouting feedback of water-vapor. That’s why they fail.
CO2 traps energy, but almost all the extra energy escapes via the most common greenhouse gas, water vapor.
I’m sorry I can’t keep giving you personal lessons in logic and reasoning. Obviously you have no evidence to support your religious faith in the academic apostles you cite.
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Come on Jo you are not seriously putting up a reference to something involving Maurice Newmans’ knowledge of climate change.
I referred to the Stanford paper because I was interested to work out where Campbell got his figures from.
Campbells’ paper is based on the position of Judith Curry. She acknowledges that Global Warming is happening, and that our preparations to deal with it are woefully inadequate if the climate scientists are right. As she points out they may well be right.
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Read your own comment again. You cited the Stanford paper as your sole example to support your request: “Come on people a little evidence “.
Now you try to weasel out of the obvious.
And thanks again for proving that you won’t follow the links you request I provide, even when I tell you what to read there. What else can I call it but denial? I suppose it could be dishonest. Being kind, you may have a reading disorder.
Right now, an honest commenter would apologise for wasting my time, being wrong, a hypocrite. I see no reason to allow you to keep commenting here if you request links which I provide, that you won’t read?
From the link in the post that was there all along. Don’t believe your lying eyes:
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Hans von Storch, Armineh Barkhordarian, Klaus Hasselmann and Eduardo Zorita (2013) Can climate models explain the recent stagnation in global warming? Academia
McKitrick, R. (2014) HAC-Robust Measurement of the Duration of a Trendless Subsample in a Global Climate Time Series. Open Journal of Statistics, 4, 527-535. doi: 10.4236/ojs.2014.47050. [link] to full manuscript. [Judith Curry’s discussion].
[1^] Anagnostopoulos, G. G., D. Koutsoyiannis, A. Christofides, A. Efstratiadis, and N. Mamassis, (2010). A comparison of local and aggregated climate model outputs with observed data’, Hydrological Sciences Journal, 55: 7, 1094 — 1110 [PDF]
[2^] Koutsoyiannis, D., Efstratiadis, A., Mamassis, N. & Christofides, A.(2008) On the credibility of climate predictions. Hydrol. Sci. J. 53(4), 671–684. changes [PDF]
[3^] Previdi, M. and Polvani, L. M. (2014), Climate system response to stratospheric ozone depletion and recovery. Q.J.R. Meteorol. Soc.. doi: 10.1002/qj.233
[4^] Christy J.R., Herman, B., Pielke, Sr., R, 3, Klotzbach, P., McNide, R.T., Hnilo J.J., Spencer R.W., Chase, T. and Douglass, D: (2010) What Do Observational Datasets Say about Modeled Tropospheric Temperature Trends since 1979? Remote Sensing 2010, 2, 2148-2169; doi:10.3390/rs2092148 [PDF]
[5^] Fu, Q, Manabe, S., and Johanson, C. (2011) On the warming in the tropical upper troposphere: Models vs observations, Geophysical Research Letters, Vol. 38, L15704, doi:10.1029/2011GL048101, 2011 [PDF] [Discussion]
[6^] Paltridge, G., Arking, A., Pook, M., 2009. Trends in middle- and upper-level tropospheric humidity from NCEP reanalysis data. Theoretical and Applied Climatology, Volume 98, Numbers 3-4, pp. 351-35). [PDF]
[7^] Anagnostopoulos, G. G., D. Koutsoyiannis, A. Christofides, A. Efstratiadis, and N. Mamassis, (2010). A comparison of local and aggregated climate model outputs with observed data’, Hydrological Sciences Journal, 55: 7, 1094 — 1110 [PDF]
[8^] Sheffield, Wood & Roderick (2012) Little change in global drought over the past 60 years, Letter Nature, vol 491, 437
[9^] Miller, M., Ghate, V., Zahn, R., (2012) The Radiation Budget of the West African Sahel 1 and its Controls: A Perspective from 2 Observations and Global Climate Models. in press Journal of Climate [abstract] [PDF]
Comment tagged ***DavidR so I can find this chain of comments anytime I need it.
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Jo I have not requested that you provide links to anything. I have pointed out that the 61 comments relating to this article do not provide any evidence to support their ad-hom attacks on General Campbell and that the links in the article are to highly dubious evidence. If you insist on providing more links to dubious evidence I do not feel obligated to read them given the fact that the ones already provided are highly questionable.
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Ahh, so in DavidR-world all commenters who criticize a person need to repeat the evidence from the post they comment on, or provide some other evidence within every comment or it is an Ad hom?
Ponder that you claim they are making ad homs whilst I provide peer reviewed papers and you dismisses those papers by without reading them as “dubious”. So the anon DavidR dismisses work of people like Hans von Storch — Professor at the Meteorological Institute of the University of Hamburg, and Director of the Institute for Coastal Research at the Helmholtz Research Centre in Geesthacht, Germany — without any reason at all other than Jo linked to it, so it’s “dubious”.
Hypocrite is the word you are looking for.
But I’m sure a man of your integrity would also apply this bizarre standard to other sites. Please do cut and paste links to where you criticize commenters at The Conversation who believe in anthropogenic global warming, according to your definition of Ad hom. That is, anyone who criticizes a skeptic without also providing evidence in their comment.
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For the record the statement “Come on people a little evidence “ was directed at the 61 commentators that had provided no evidence to support their ad-hom nonsense.
It was not directed at the article which at least tried to justify its position with links, even if they were to dubious papers.
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Not so. Read your own comment at 9:46 pm above. QUOTE: “When an article starts with a phrase like “Campbell appears to be completely duped by the weather-doctors” it is an immediate flag indicating that the contents will not be up to scratch. An ‘ad hominem’ argument involves disparaging the author, rather than challenging the evidence they provide. I have merely challenged the evidence and hence the reliability of the article.”
You directed it at the article, which you obviously hadn’t read properly. You aren’t man enough to admit that and just apologize?
You are the one throwing ad homs. Not me.
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1. You need to admit, quote ” the links in the article are to highly dubious evidence” was an ad hom by you.
2. You need to acknowledge I provided references which you refuse to discuss.
3. You need to supply examples of where you have criticized believers of CAGW for ad homs when they did not supply their own evidence within every comment that criticized a skeptic. Either that, or admit your standards for “ad homs” are ridiculous.
Or you can just admit you were wrong and I was right, and you were a hypocrite on this point.
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” I have been following this debate long enough to be able to recognise rubbish.”
Easy peasy…. Just look for the writer as being DavidR
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AndyG55 if I see any scientific articles written by me I will certainly know they are fraudulent. Which is why I limit my references to reputable sources.
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In the past I have personally made substantial comment on the inaccurate and deliberately misleading comments emanating from all those who claim that global warming can result from emissions of human origin CO2.
As an engineer trained in process analysis of complex interactive systems with substantial experience in modelling such systems I feel more than qualified to comment on the basic mechanism proposed by the global warming community and on the so called models.
The mechanism is scientific nonsense and the models are fraudulent concoctions bearing no relationship to functioning fact based models.
The whole scam is just sad.
Not one of humanity’s greatest moments.
KK
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Kinky, No doubt the more than 100 million individual fact based temperature measurements used in each of the separate models are no challenge to your astute intuitive gut feeling that they are wrong. If you had a clue how the models are built you would know just how fact based they are.
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If you understood the models you would know they can not, with any accuracy, model clouds, precipitation, or ice at the poles or glaciers.
The model are massively unfit for the purpose you presuppose.
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The temperature data used is either GISS or HadCrud.. so faux facts.
The fabricated trend in either, the removal of the 1940 peak, means that all models feed in GARBAGE information.
And we all know Garbage in -> Garbage out
Even if the models did contain all the missing pieces, and could model cloud, ice, precipitation properly, they still wouldn’t work because they rely on garbage historic data.
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The first thing about “models” is that they must be tested against a known segment of the data.
This has NOT been done and Will never happen because the base mechanism adopted is wrong; possibly fraudulent.
It is of no use saying how many million bits of good data are in the model, if they are in a faulty model they are useless.
I have a relative living in Virginia who has over the past few years spent considerable time housebound due to unusually high snow banks around the house.
There are NO functioning or real climate models linking man made CO2 to global temperatures.
Bigger computers cannot make a flawed model work.
KK
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News for the army man: some places of the world already ARE uninhabitable, but humans have made them habitable. Do you think humans could really survive in the Antarctic? Or the depths of the Sahara? Or the heights of the Andes? Humans have made it so that all these places (and more) which are so hostile to humans are habitable. Ain’t we the clever ones…?
The savannah is our natural home, and those who still live there need do very little to survive; indeed, when it comes to survival, Africans lived the life of Reilly – who needed to work when the trees were so laden with fruit, and the game was in such abundance? It is only when we have higher aspirations does it get more complex.
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