After the 2009 peak of Copenhagen-fever and ClimateGate, media coverage dropped precipitously. Then there’s been a kind of dead cat bounce as the extreme voodoo climate meme was pumped and every hot afternoon became a front page headline. But media interest has plummeted — and in a US election year. To some extent this was coming as the crowd was tired of the hottest year after the hottest year, the tipping points came and went, the apocalypse didn’t happen but the fatigue did. But there is more to that crash that just weariness. Looks like Trump just killed climate news…
See Grist: Major TV Networks spent just 50 minutes on climate change combined last year…
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Climate broadcast coverage was already over the peak before the election year, but the crushing collapse in a “hottest ever massive El Nino year” says a lot. Trumps mockery of the topic was something the media news broadcasters couldn’t handle. It wasn’t a case of Any News Is Good News as the cliche goes, if Trump or the Deplorables had been given any real airtime the whole rent-seeking fantasy gravy train would have run off the rails.
The Boy Who Cried Warming had blamed climate change for droughts, storms, snow, lost cows, and “wrong” voters. There is nothing left. Every shade of near and far apocalypse has been done to death, and then Trump called their bluff so they ran away. They had used mockery and namecalling to silence critics for years, but when Trump owned their mockery and threw it back, they had no ammo left. They had not won the debate through reason and argument but through ridicule. He just turned their main weapon back at them.
The Boy Who Cried Warming has apparently convinced Arthur Sinodinos, and, presumably with him, half the Liberal Party. They can afford to ease up when they are in front.
I don’t remember 2009, but I did notice a big increase in the propaganda after the election of the Abbott government in 2013. I fear it has paid off for them.
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The graph of Broadcast News Coverage of Climate Change shows a collapse of interest in 2010 but then a resurgence in 2013-2015.
Trump seems to have stomped on that and 2016 is back to 2011 values.
I have not noticed that happening here in Australia, yet. The ABC and Fairfax are still running plenty of stories.
Pur only politician to openly ridicule Climate Change is Malcolm Roberts. So far the media lampoon or ignore him.
I was hoping for a better result in the WA election, which could have tipped things over. There were some positive signs ( One Nation vote is ahead of the Greens), but not enough yet. So the damage and the resultant suffering must go on.
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The graph is interesting.
The level of “concern” in 2009, was a typical fight or flight reaction to something that is not properly understood by the population at large. It is topical, so people are talking about it, and they start to form general agreements within their social groups that some sort of reaction might be required, in order to mitigate the concern.
But having talked it through, and there being no immediate danger, interest wanes, and the social topics of conversation move onto other things.
In 2012, however, some bright investors, and a few politicians, figure out how they might be able to make a buck, or gain prestige, or both, by spinning the possible outcomes of the 2009 concern. At this point, the investors and politicians take control of the narrative in order to further their own goals. This is the point in the narrative where facts become inconvenient to the truth.
Other investors and politicians then expediently move into this quickly emerging market, especially in terms of using public monies to finance commercial “solutions”, to the perceived problem.
But it is just another bubble which, like all bubbles, eventually bursts, and we now see it, in 2016.
The smart investors, and smart politicians, will, by this time, have taken their profit and move their funds into other investments geared around cleaning up the mess caused by the initial bubble.
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Fairfax readers and their climate alarmist writers have drunk the kool-ade and gone back for more. In a comment the other day, I accidentally wrote nineteenth century instead of the nineteen hundreds, and the chicken littles there jumped on my mistake with glee. Unfortunately comments had closed when I went back and I couldn’t correct it, nor could I point out that not one person had challenged (nor were they able to challenge) the rest of my comment.
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Why has this development not been made public in Australia. We could save a fortune by not being coerced, if that’s the case, into paying hundreds of millions into some UN fund.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/trump-kills-un-climate-change-initiative-calls-it-an-elaborate-hoax/
Follow link to see how we’ve actually bee liberated but nobody is prepared to make it public.
Least of all Mr “carbon tax by any name he think up” Turnbull, the Green & ALP liars .
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It’s time to get rid of the UN and the EU.Then watch this”SCAM”get thrown in the “Dustbin.”
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Hi Ted, I certainly remember 2009, year of Climategate and the Crucial COP Climate Conference in Copenhagen, lots of con men and women all round. Funniest thing was the polar bear sculpture of ice that the activists had placed in front of the meeting hall, to illustrate the horrible melting of global ice. But in the freezing Copenhagen weather, the silly bear refused to melt.
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Quelle surprise – when all polls had put “climate change” at last by 5 lengths in public concern no party to the US Presidential election saw any mileage in the issue. Total non issue, however (scroll down) followed by a superb climate change story!
“koalas usually get all the water they need from eating eucalyptus leaves. But that’s changing, now that those leaves are slowly drying out.
It’s your worst friend — climate change!”
Forgive me for my ignorance of this beast – In London I have parakeets in my eucalyptus but no koalas – but does it not occur to the zoologists at Sydney that, although koalas CAN obtain their water requirements from Eucalyptus they do so because most of the time there is no bloody water to drink. Offer them some, of course they will partake. Even the Atkins Diet is more exciting than Eucalyptus day after day.
Bad news – its going to rain in Gunnediah tomorrow – that’s another grant down the swannee.
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If anyone thinks the eucalyptus leaves around here are drying up,..
…. then feel free to put on your gum boots and bring a big brolly in your attempt to prove it !!
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It’s Gunnedah actually, no “i” in the name, but inflation is probably affecting town names. There are a lot of koalas in the Gunnedah area. Though because of climate change they will all be moving to inner city areas such as Balmain, where they will get their café lattes at street cafes and chat with the resident greenies about emission trading schemes and RET programs.
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Once they lose the constant drip, drip by the media then the ordinary person no longer worries about it. At some stage they might even start to think “what has changed” or as someone said to me last month “aren’t the autumn leave early this year? I thought we were supposed to be getting warmer”.
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Blast. leaves not leave.
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If an election was held tomorrow, a sufficient number of people would vote on what they heard last year to get the scammers into power.
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Getting to the core of how this strange turn of human history was started, built and forced throughout the developed world must surely be one of the strangest events in human history.
Psychologists of the future will certainly be studying this and looking for answers.
But for the here and now Jo you have hit on one of the main features in your last line:
Argument through ridicule.
The chattering classes have built a self sustaining model based on nothing but thin air.
Or should that be CO2.
KK
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I remember that as a kid nearly 60 years ago translating Julius Caesar and Cicero I could see that lawyers and politicians hadn’t changed in 2,000 years. And they haven’t changed in the sixty since.
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KK:
You are ignoring all previous ‘scientific’ theories. Phlogiston reached the ridiculous stage when it was defined as having negative weight, yet it held on because of ferocious abuse of anyone who failed to claim it was the answer (Priestley was very reluctant to take them on publically). It was only when Lavoisier proved that not only did it have negative weight but also negative volume, and that the missing weight was exactly that matching the weight of resulting negative volume of gas that it collapsed in a few years.
The idea that the Earth was created in 4004BC was ‘Holy Doctrine’ after doubts were raised 50 years before, and even after it was ridiculed and proved as impossible.
Evolution is still resisted by the ill-educated and brain-washed, esp. in the USA.
N-Rays persisted among a few physicists for many years after they were debunked.
The Piltdown Man was so convenient to British pride that glaring inconsistencies were ignored for 40 years, (in the UK anyway).
When Einstein left Germany under pressure 100 physicists published a paper saying Relativity was wrong. 99% of peer reviewed scientists said he was wrong! Who remembers their names these days?
No, the only way to stop it is for the money to be stopped. No more RET subsidies, no more “scientific” Grants to prove whatever is wanted.
It may be necessary to shut down or purge the ABC and SBS, but I cannot see the political will ever rising to that, at least in my lifetime. Should the ‘climate’ turn cooler in the next few years then there will be a complete collapse in belief, even among the inhabitants of the Imperial City of Canberra, who will struggle mentally to adapt to the collapse of acceptance.
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My great worry is that after fixing the climate change problem all of the involved”scientists” will not be needed any more and look for a new focus.
Perhaps they may go for new challenges in medicine; brain surgeon or heart surgeon.
Then we will really be in trouble.
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@Graeme No.3,
I suspect that ‘dark matter’ and ‘dark energy’ will join your list in a few decades.
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Right StephanL,
The search for something that is not there can take years of research!
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Doesn’t need research. A few lines of
cokecode and you’re done, and on your way to your first $mil.51
With all that Trump is doing, even the paranoia of the data destroyers is second page news. I suspect that it will go down this year, not so much because the alarmists are less committed, but because they will perceive bigger problems.
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There is a distinct lack of propaganda pieces. If there was something positive to say then the news would be all over the story. I summarized what the good propaganda might consist of in Three Positive Ways to Counter Climate Denial a few years back. In brief:-
1. Examples of clear, bold predictions derived from the climate models that later come true.
2. Show that climate science follows in the scientific traditions of the great scientists like Newton, Pasteur, Einstein and Feynman.
3. Policy should recognize that there are harms as well as benefits. Like for new pharmaceuticals there should be rigorous testing (or at least detailed justifications) before they are unleashed upon the public, and effective monitoring once applied.
In terms of the first, not a single bold prediction has come true. In terms of the second, consensus studies and name-calling are the type of anti-science – or more broadly anti-academic study – that was over-turned in developing modern science. On the third, Joanne Nova has provided frequent examples of policy failures through lack of even basic understanding of policy, along with failure to properly manage policy implementation to derive maximum benefits and minimize the harms.
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The members of the green blob are on their way out but they can still do a great deal of damage in the process. Especially if the rational members of humankind don’t overtake their positions of stolen power fast enough. That is going to be very difficult to do.
There are far too many intellectual and philosophical land mines planted in our language and in the minds of the graduates of public education for it to be easy. As always, there are none so blind as those who refuse to see nor so deaf as those who refuse to hear. One is more likely to persuade a dead fence post to grow into a tree again than to get a rational thought into their minds.
The only answer I have found is to go around, over, or under them. Trying to go through them is like walking through an endless toxic fog while knee deep in molasses. We need to learn how to make them irrelevant.
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“We need to learn how to make them irrelevant.”
Yes. If I meet any pushy ones I say “Please explain the science of ‘CO2 forcing’.”
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They can’t explain it because it has no physical bases to be used as an explanation. ‘CO2 forcing’ is nothing but an undefined package deal to which they attach a swirling miasma of foggy intent mixed with unrealistic wishes and alternate universe fantasies. See Humpty Dumpty for further details.
If they do respond, it will be with a squid like cloud of random words and phrases without coherence or meaningful interpretation. It is their way of hiding the fact they don’t have the foggiest notion what they are talking about.
Personally, I would much rather talk to a fence post than try to hold a discussion with such mindless creatures.
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‘I believe in the Hot Spot;
The Ho;y Scientific Consensus;
The Communion of Experts:
The forgiveness of emissions;
The resurrection of Gaia;
And the Gas Everlasting.
Amen.’
H/t Euphonius Bugnuts Dec 2016.
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Hmm?
Perhaps you need to get out a little more frequently, Beth.
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Serf irony fer what it’s werth, Rereke… (
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After the media coverage, climate change simply became implicated into every news bulletin on SBS and the ABC.
This has been done by showing every weather event possible, except rarely extreme cold, while having long interviews, like last night, on the destruction by bleaching of the GBR.
Its in every NRMA magazine,the electric car is your future, but has noticeably been less toxic in the Australian Geographic where real science is being published.
The present tropical cyclone heading for Qld will be a warming breakfast feast for alarmists, particularly if it proves a disaster.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-24/cyclone-preparations-tropical-low-expected-strengthen-north-qld/8382734
We will be advised to stop building reliable power and put in solar and windmills.
Ironically neither work in cyclones.
Soft news abounds http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-24/germany-fires-up-worlds-largest-artificial-sun/8382510
From this one learns that some taxpayer is funding a hydrogen fuel or kerosene powered future start up.
This means things will be better in the future.
Lead time ten years i.e. blue sky.
Then there is Google.
It always has a ‘Climate’ news piece, it will find one from anywhere in the world, from the most obscure publication
For example today
http://www.wired.co.uk/article/earth-hour-2017-get-involved-uk
No time to rejoice, climate change has reached your local church,professional association, super fund and government funded news service and Google aggregator.
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Lewis
Try
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/20/delingpole-great-barrier-reef-still-not-dying-whatever-washington-post-says/
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Oh goody . .” Earth Hour” is today.
People of South Australia won’t be participating this year because they’re in credit.
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The best day of the year..
I’ll be turning every light in my house on.
Love this day….
The people in South Australia might not have any choice….
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Same here…..redline everything …..light it all up like Luna Park !
Earth hour ? more like Medieval Hour.
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Sorry, I seem to have missed it. When was it?
Mind you I think I missed the previous 20 odd times also.
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I meant to celebrate by turning on more lights but forgot while struggling to make out the mumbled, gabbled dialogue on Call the Midwife. Never mind, oven’s been on for hours drying pear segments.
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Ah, the Orgy of Ingratitude. When luvviedom shows how frantically it can consume before and after a scant sixty minutes of iPhone deprivation.
Tonight is our chance to compare a charmless flame-free, smoke-free, smell-free, noise-free grid against charming candle-flames – which can incinerate the curtains while emitting acetaldehyde, acrolein, benzene, formaldehyde, polychlorodibenzo-p-dioxins, polyaromatic hydrocarbons, toulene…
Good one, warmies. Love your work. I know you’d go beeswax except you need the money for post-Earth Hour partying.
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mosomose:
Toluene please, or rather not.
Beeswax is a special (and expensive) wax only used in certain circumstances e.g. as smokeless fuel in Cathedrals with precious antique paintings. The hoi polloi (and the ignorant like Greenies) use paraffin wax ones made from petroleum. At least they have moved on from spermaceti wax made from whales.
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Seen recently on an elevator TV screen…
http://i.imgur.com/4GAwDAh.jpg
Investa is a commercial office space leasing company who typically own entire skyscrapers.
Their logo here is side by side with the WWF, but kangaroos and pandas cannot live where the skyscrapers were built.
It probably doesn’t help that Ove “Coral Whisperer” Hoegh-Guldberg was writing pamphlets for WWF about 8 years before he became an IPCC lead author on CO2’s danger to the ocean, and writing pamphlets for Greenpeace 4 years before that.
Here Investa are promoting a zero electricity medieval lifestyle as the way of the future, quite the reverse of their clients’ current demands.
All based on reports written by activists, using only half the available pH data, and temperature data that has been artificially amplified [see numerous posts on realclimatescience.com].
It’s just all very crazy.
My habitual way to deal with this Earth Hour stress is to put my Honda’s internal combustion engine, my local pizza shop’s 260°C oven, and my nVidia GTX 970 all to good use this evening.
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The last few days in Adelaide there have been adds just before the News from some mob offering solar and battery solutions to blackouts.
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After the 2009 peak of Copenhagen-fever and ClimateGate, the public started to awaken to a harsh reality:
Leading scientific organizations have had a secret, strange relationship with self-serving politicians!
Is that why they organized a private 501(c)3 charity to promote the MARCH FOR SCIENCE next month in Washington, DC?
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These links show the
1. Public Face of the March for Science: https://sciencedebate.org/march
2. Board of Directors of the March for Science: http://sciencedebate.org/board
3. Scientific Organizations supporting the March for Science: http://sciencedebate.org/organizations, . . .
Including the US National Academy of Science that reviews budgets of federal research agencies for Congress and thus created ClimateGate.
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Before the misguided March for Science begins in Washington, DC next month, . . .
the US NAS (National Acadsmy of Sciences) may get the opportunity to respond first, in public, to indisputable and convincing evidence of ongoing miscalculations and misunderstandings of nuclear energy in every federal research agency whose annual budget is reviewed by the US NAS.
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Here is one slice of media climate news that Australians can’t avoid:
Government rejects Hazelwood bailout calls (skynews.aus)
So that the French government can cripple Australia’s energy supply and we are powerless to stop it?
So they can boast they closed the worlds “dirtiest” coal fired power station?
Because Truffles Turnbull hates Tony Abbott?
This is akin the French (terrorists) blowing up the Rainbow Warrior in New Zealand, except this is Australia’s wealth and prosperity sacrificed for climate virtue signaling.
And, further evidence you don’t have to be smart or particularly loyal to your country to be a treasurer … Scot Morrison (.25 sec):
“There has never been a proposal for how that might be achieved and how federal tax payers will avoid a remediation bill of well over a billion dollars.”
> That’s less than what Australia has given the UN-IPCC to stop the climate from changing (how’s that working out), and is small change compared to what it will cost Australia if they don’t keep Hazelwood open.
The elites are the peoples enemy.
And they call us deplorable.
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Oops.
Missed Truffles quote from link:
“Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said the decision was taken by the company that owns the plant and the government was doing what it could to support affected workers.”
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Nationalise Hazelwood after it is closed and then start it again. Or alternatively give the French the cost of dismantling and removing it.
But that would require Turnbull to be pragmatic –from what I observe from over the ditch that is not part of his nature.
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Ross, Turnbull’s solution is to pump BS uphill….correction, have a study to pump BS uphill?
Where is the power to come from in the meantime ?
Hazelwood is part of the National energy grid. How is it that Despot Dan is allowed to increase coal taxes to make hazelwood non-profitable and adding to our national power woes?
Yet our weakling global warmer BSer in chief cannot override this imbecile.
According to Tony here, Hazelwood is still generating close to full capacity.
Once it is turned off, where will it’s power come from?
Our treasonous pathetic so called leaders are crippling our country for what?
UN appeasement? the Unelected Nutters! While at the same time handing this international assortment of ratbags billions of dollars that we have to borrow from their criminal bank buddies and pay interest on.
There needs to be some major changes here or this country is finished.
Paul Keating’s Banana Republic will be realized….we an energy rich country that can’t keep the light on, with absurd rates of taxation, and some of the most expensive power costs in the world.
Why is it that nearly everything our incompetent and corrupt politicians touch turns to S**T, and yet they are mostly unaccountable? Why is that? When will we get ‘our Donald’ to drain this swamp of obvious imbeciles, criminals and lunatics?
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Totally agree with your post….
I’ve never been so disgusted and angry at what is happening, to this Country ..right under everyone’s noses..!!
Congratulations to Turnbull….demolished the Liberal Party, and all but destroyed the Country
as well …in less than 4yrs.!
We thought the Rudd/Gillard years were the ultimate disaster, but then along came Turnbull to “rekindle” the fire…God help us !!
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ENGIE has estimated it would cost $400 million get it up to safety standards.
http://environmentvictoria.org.au/hazelwood-faqs/
Hazelwood won’t be the last of Latrobe Valley’s coal-fired power stations to close.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-24/hazelwood-latrobe-valley-not-the-first-or-the-last-to-close/8380760
“Why?
Because, like an old car, Hazelwood is beyond its use-by date. It’s dangerous.
Majority French owner Engie has put the cost of safety compliance and a revamp for Hazelwood at $400 million. Others estimate it could be much more.”
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Although I have not done due diligence on this situation it seems from what I have read here that Engie made a bad business decision.
It made the mistake of assuming that Australia’s politicians were honest, decent and sane.
I don’t know when they bought in, but they must have been aware of the RET. That’s a worry but they still may have been suckered. Anybody know the background?
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Someone finds it profitable to build and stock efficient facilities for burning Australian coal. (Unless they’re using it for art installations or they just like the smell of Permian Black in the morning.)
http://assets.carbonbrief.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/coal-trade-around-the-world-1.jpg
Yep. Someone thinks our fabulous coal reserves are worth consuming. Just not us.
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“Majority French owner Engie has put the cost of safety compliance and a revamp for Hazelwood at $400 million. Others estimate it could be much more”….
Well obviously someone made a major business “blue”…!
WHY….would any sane OS company, buy it in the first place..then ???
More to this than meets the eye..!
There has got to be a money trail to “something”.. camouflaged, in all of this ..mark my words.!
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Maybe they thought that the liberals could remove or at least reduce the RET?
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Liberals in Victoria? Are there any? I’ve heard of some guy called Guy, but that’s it.
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I think Trump is a practicing satirist, here is his spokesman slapping down catastrophism and millenarianism.
“We’re not spending money on that anymore,” Mulvaney said when asked about climate funding. “We consider that to be a waste of your money to go out and do that.”
It may not seem like much, but these few words have turned the world upside down.
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Spoken by a true leader, a non career politician(professional BSer) , and a successful multi-billionaire businessman, that has his nation’s interests at heart.
All or most of which is severely lacking here, where we cannot even keep the lights on !
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It is intriguing. I have not read a column inch or heard a word as to explain why Hazelwood is closing. The media are saying nothing. Perhaps no one understands?
Turnbull’s view was that his government would not intervene to help Engie/Mitsui pay for the mandatory cleanup, said to cost $1.6Bn, a clean up which is presumably 20 years ahead of the contracted agreement when the power station was bought in 1996 with a 40 year life span.
So firstly the public has no idea why Hazelwood is closing. Something about non being commercially viable? A business failure then? Poor judgement by the investors? These things happen. Sad. It shows you how evil the Renewable Electricity Act (2000) really is.
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An analogy. Consider that you had bought a lease on a 1960 brick veneer motel at the beach in French Noumea for a million which you hoped to rent at a profit. It is owned by the council on public beach. The 40 year lease showed you could make a good return from a steady and growing tourist trade.
The downside included substantial maintenance, immediate renovation was required, a few long term tenants and you even had pay for the demolition at the end. Still the deal looked great, steady and guaranteed income in a safe country.
Six years later the Council decided they did not like brick veneer motels on their beach and they wanted it demolished. An eyesore to their eyes, despite the demand.
So the council simply passed a law which made your apartment unprofitable by forcing any customer who rents a brick veneer motel to directly pay double the rent to a new builder over the road with a chrome and glass and concrete construction. Then if the new building are open, which is hard to predict, they can charge what they like.
These new style apartments have no obligations to open, to supply rooms 24/7 and open when they feel like it or in the peak season, taking all the cream. They shut suddenly without notice in storms, dumping their clients onto you. Then the lessor gets tired of waiting and decides to help it along by tripling the body corporate fees, parking, cleaning, water. Nice.
Of course you now cannot sell your now unprofitable but high demand motel. There is no law specifically against your motel, it is in high demand, but you cannot cover your costs or charge more, so you are forced to walk away with nothing. To add insult to injury, if you walk away there is a clause which means you have to pay immediately for the demolition. The concerned mayor says the council will not contribute to the demolition and implies that it is your poor business judgement.
In a democratic society you have the option of asking for compensation.
The question for a giant like Engie/Mitsui is whether you sue for compensation for plainly unjust laws.
At the very least, the whole deviousness of the Brick Veneer Act (2000) will be exposed publicly. It is akin to the East West link where one government placed the contracts for supply and everything was in place but the incoming government just tore them up.
A court case would for the first time explain to the public why Hazelwood is being forced to close, despite being the backbone of power security for four states. It is about time the RET was exposed as a law which is wrong, unjust, damaging and simply not working as intended exact to, as Barack Obama said publicly, make electricity prices “take off like a rocket”.
This is rule by politicians pleasing their friends. The forced closure of Hazelwood denies natural justice to the lessees and to the people of Victoria. This will not stand. I hope.
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for exact read except. Split that infinitive.
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TdeF
The exact Barack Obama quote I think you are alluding to is:
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HAZELWOOD UPDATE
Say, I know it’s off topic, but Hazelwood is hot button at the moment, at least with those who actually understand what is happening here.
It’s now day 27 since the Plant started to build up towards closure, and isn’t that an anachronism in itself, as most other things wind down, so I suspect someone, probably those who work there are just showing us that while ancient, this old clunker can still deliver.
For those 26 days so far, the plant has either had all eight or at least seven Units running to the best of their current capability.
While the Plant was originally rated at 1600MW, it can’t manage that any more, but what it can do is still pretty astonishing really.
The highest I have see it generate over these last 26 days is 1388MW.
Right now, after 26 days, the average power generation per day is 1307MW.
That gives this Plant an effective Capacity Factor (for these last 26 days) of 94.2%.
Every wind plant in Australia is generating close to it’s normal operating CF, and is now (after those same 26 days) at 29.8% CF.
A couple of Hazelwood’s Units are currently around 20MW down on their earlier maximum, and even so, Hazelwood right now is generating 1330MW.
My guess is that when the staged closure begins, they want to defiantly show that all eight Units can still run.
Hazelwood has generated 11% more power than all 43 wind plants in Oz with around 2400 turbines on poles.
In fact, after Hazelwood completely shuts down with zero power generation, it will take three days for wind power to catch up with the total power delivered from Hazelwood.
And that’s from a wind Nameplate of 3900MW, three times higher that what Hazelwood is currently capable of.
As for the wind plants just in the same State of Victoria, their Nameplate is 1485MW, higher than what Hazelwood is currently capable of, and yet the total power delivered form all those wind plants in Victoria, as an average per day for those same 26 days is just higher than what is being generated by TWO of Hazelwood’s eight Units.
Right now, 10AM on Saturday 25th March, Hazelwood is generating 1330MW, and EVERY wind plant in Australia is currently generating 300MW, at a CF of 7.7%, so of those 2400 turbines on poles, only 184 of them actually have the blades whooshing around.
Give me strength.
Tony.
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So instead of power when we need it, we are increasingly having power only when the wind blows and no power when it does not ! Somehow this is suppose to create jobs and prosperity ?
Are we supposed to believe such Marxist BS ?
Despot Dan should be not just thrown out of office, but prosecuted for gross incompetence and dereliction duty at minimum,along with WindMill Weatherill, and our BSer in Chief,Lord Waffler.
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Yeah – if you have never been within 500m of, let alone walked through, a 2.4GW power station like Eraring or Bayswater, you would be gob-smacked by the sheer size. And then remember that just NSW in peak electricity usage times needs at least 5 of these running at rated capacity – and that’s with no reserve left in case anything breaks.
I have been witness to the interlocks dumping high pressure steam from a 660MW generator at Eraring, and from 400m away, it is enough to make you change your undies!
To get the boiler back online, I was told, requires burning at least 30,000 L of diesel in order to get it hot enough to start burning the powderised coal that is blown in with compressed air. If it’s not quite hot enough and doesn’t start to burn for a couple of seconds, the fuel in the exhaust explodes and lifts 10’s of m of 2.6 x 1.2, 12mm steel checkerplate several cm into the air.
To replace the dumped water requires some of the purest water you will find in the world – 000’s of litres of triple distilled water that would be surgical grade or better. Can’t have any contaminants in it because it is hitting the turbines with at least 800,000 HP worth of force and would erode the blades to destruction in short order – you do NOT want one of these turbines to become unbalanced and start throwing blades off in random directions! Even the 50MW turbines at the old Balmain power station managed to put 7cm diameter craters in the reinforced concrete when one went overspeed due to being tripped offline and subsequently self destructed (I saw the result in person, years afterwards)
So, how can you get an idea of the scale required without actually getting up-close? Take a look the the TV footage of the cooling towers – see the little zig-zag bit at the bottom where the air comes in? That’s 5-6m high. Compare this to the size of the entire cooling tower and the building. Now you are starting to understand. See the graders pushing the coal around? Those are mining style devices and the tyres are about 3m high. See the conveyor dumping coal from the mine? That’s about the same amount that is being burnt by just one 660MW generator. NSW in peak needs 20 times this amount, minimum. Just to run the coal crusher, cooling water pumps and other ancillaries to get a single 660MW generator on-line requires the equivalent of at least 1,000 100kW car engines at full power.
I could go on, but honestly, you need to walk (or drive – yes, they are that big) around one of these places to truly get it in your head. Once that’s in your head, remember we need at least two dozen of these things to power the east coast – more like 4 dozen to allow for unexpected failures and regular maintenance.
And after the billions we have “invested” in wind power, we are struggling to get half the output of just one of these things, and even then, only on a good day and only for part of the day, and never in a predictable way.
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How do I give this Comment a hundred green thumbs?
Thanks Kneel.
43 wind plants in Australia, the oldest one barely 14 years old, and they can’t even supply the same as a 53 year old relic from 4 technologies ago.
Tony
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The people who want to close these things have no idea what they are doing or how dependent modern society is on abundant power. Or they do. I prefer the first explanation because the second means we have some truly evil people in charge.
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They have NO idea what they are doing!
They are the second and maybe even the third generation who have NEVER lived in a situation for more than a few minutes where power as they know it,which has always just come from a wall at the flick of switch, power that has NEVER failed to appear on demand whenever they flicked that switch.
They cannot comprehend in any shape or form what it will be like to go for possibly days or at the very worst we can only hope, for weeks without power.
Only when these “the power of Power” energy illiterates actually experience personally for themselves the severe effects and devastating deprivations of a truly “powerless” society will they ever recognise their folly and the disaster they have inflicted on the ordinary people.
But in their absolute arrogance and of their ignorance revealed in its totality, they will NEVER admit just how utterly stupid and how utterly ignorant they were and are and remain so, no doubt due entirely to an inbuilt and innate obstinacy and an inbuilt in-ability to ever self educate about the forces that drive and sustain a civilisation.
And then come to some personal understanding of the ongoing and critical requirements to sustain the needs of a civilisation of hundreds of millions of Human beings.
The whole of the above probably summed up in one word and in one example as “Weatherdilling“
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Any idea of how much back-up generating capacity there is for national and local government offices.
It would be so bad if the bureaucruds and politicians had no power… well wouldn’t it?
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G’day Tony,
And thanks for all ypur posts.
Do you think they’ll discover the difference between actual and nameplate capacity even after April 1?
Cheers,
Dave B
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No!
Tony.
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Thanks Tony,
I must be getting psychic – I thought that might be your answer.
Cheers,
Dave B
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I warn you…
The alarmist bleatings will continue until (climate change) ratings improve.
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There is an excellent article up on WUWT. It is a narrative about what Dean Johnathan Swift said in Gulliver’s Travels in 4 Parts. Although I have read Gulliver’s Travels in school, it was a greatly condensed version that lost most of the good from his great story.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/03/23/dean-swifts-foresight-energy-in-the-21st-century/
This article also gives the best description on renewable energy I have ever seen. Watch for the “cucumbers in vials” part and you can see that it was a great prediction of what we see today.
Please stop over there and enjoy!
And yes, the Trump Administration is determined to get rid of the climate change nonsense.
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And don’t omit that other emitter ‘our ‘ wasteful and
unaccountable ABC…This two years ago – and nuthin’s changed.
https://mumbrella.com.au/ex-radio-national-boss-says-sections-abc-wasteful-unaccountable-ultimo-hq-put-lockdown-ahead-cuts-announcement-264068
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And we need to thanks Jo Nova and Anthony for their tireless and effective search for truth in this whole mess of global warming/climate change folly.
Thanks Jo!
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Then is it too early to say,
to all you who chronicle climate change so diligently, so zealously, so annoyingly…?
I do hope not 🙂
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Their abc still peddles the meme ,
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-25/students-create-solutions-for-future-water-instability/8385948
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So Robyn Williams, our own ABC Science Guy like Bill Nye for Americans, was prepared to say the sea could rise 100 metres over Sydney in a hundred years. We are now 30 years in and the opera house should just be half underwater by now. Still, the ABC believes.0
You have to say, when alarmists like Flannery use their Kangaroo Science skills to declare that even the rains which fall will not fill out dams, they do not retreat from the absurd. They just move the date. These endless and utterly dud predictions of Ecopolypse remind you of the Rapture. Or even of the return of the Saviour for Christians or Jews, the signs Mossiach will Come in the Melbourne’s Balaclava road. The best one was the bumper stick, Jesus is coming, Look Busy.
However apart from being laughably wrong and the world is obviously not drowning and cities and airports are being built in the ocean, our Government is legislating the end of coal and gas. Why? In a democratic society where no one wants this, why?
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TDef , have you just invented a new word that describes the warmists better “Ecopolypse ” .
Meaning : a green unwanted growth , usually cancerous that’s invasive and needs surgical intervention .
Usually painfull and always manifests itself in unusual places .
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Can anyone help? I am looking for the original government contract with Hazelwood. In the 2014 Fire inquiry, it was referenced in answer to a question
3.1 The Hazelwood power plant was privatised in the 1990’s and the asset sale agreement relating to the sale of the mine to the Hazelwood Power partnership (dated 4 August 1996) is publicly available:
http://www.contracts.vic.gov.aU/maior/7/Hazelwood Power Corporation Asset Sale Agreement (l).pdf
but it times out.
Possibly the Andrews Victorian Government is a bit sensitive about contracts, having lost $1,600,000,000 trying to rip up the East West Link contracts.
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Maior should be major, but it is fine in the original.
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Hi TdeF
I sent two links but I’m still in moderation!
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Some mention here TdeF?
Mainly the mine area though!
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/866282/0000899243-96-001538.txt
and
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/images/1996/V/S/104.pdf
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Thanks. The first is the fact of the purchase and the second is the granting of a mining licence because at the very least, the new owners were technically miners. The one I am looking for, the one which could be used to save Hazelwood is
Hazelwood Power Corporation Asset Sale Agreement (l).pdf
This will have the bilateral terms and conditions. The owners have been ripped off for billions by Turnbull and Andrews.
Remember we the people of Victoria sold our investment in our own power station just to get the working capital back and to put it in the hands of people who were not interested in shutting the power off for personal gain, in other words Union extortion.
It may also explain why the Unions and the Greens as as one in stopping or reversing privatization. In the modern world, controlling the electricity and the telecommunications is the new aim of communists, so the NBN and the RET. They do not care about diesel! This is why the Greens do not protest the massive number of diesel engines being run by Tasmania or proposed by South Australia. Doesn’t that strike anyone as odd? Weatherill can buy 200Mwatt of diesel generators and not a beep from Di Natale or the Green Senators?
So it is not about CO2. It is about political control. If anyone doubts the communist qualifications of the Greens, you only have to read their cvs, especially Lee Rhiannon and Adam Bandt. Every politician has an agenda. The problem is that no part of that involves the rights of the electors. It is all about Mr Harbourside mansion, either Turnbull or Shorten.
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I did find one
http://www.secinfo.com/dRE54.81gz.c.htm
but it is really about the generator’s licence. There appear to be few conditions by the purchaser on the sale. However if the right to operate has been compromised severely by the Federal or State government legislation or coal pricing so that the asset is deemed worthless, there must be redress under the law. There is also no clear idea that the owner must pay for demolition and rehabilitation of the area. Rather, the owner has the lease on all the real estate, which may be increasingly valuable.
I just cannot understand why the owner would run the power station flat out and then meekly walk away, hand over the keys and pay for the demolition? Something is not right but this is not an open government, as we saw with the East West link or subsidies and the coalition do nothing, because they also want Hazelwood shut.
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I am thinking the land which was forcibly acquired from farmers and then consolidated in 1995 for this sale may be more valuable than the power station? Something is not right here.
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What about the coal deposits that came with the mine purchased by the Company ??
Brown coal isnt as valuable as black …so still pondering the “real reason” for the closure.
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As with all miners, the company does not own what is under the ground. That remains the property of the people and a Royalty has to be paid based on Gigajoules in the contract. Land owners really have a single level strata title.
The same is true of gold for example after the deadly riot at Sovereign Hill in Ballarrat, Victoria in 1854. The miners were intially charged just to look for gold, a miner’s licence, something they could ill afford as they walked to the mines from the boats. The Chinese even walked from Adelaide! After the riot, they were charged only for what they found and it has remained that way. The new owners of Hazelwood were given a mining licence and a lease on what was previously farming land.
A very interesting point is that farmers do not take anything away with their crops. All plants are made from CO2 and H2O and a very few trace elements or metals or nitrogen from the air, so they are not miners. Otherwise the land would get lower and lower.
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Nothing at all about obligations, this agreement is about selling a business.
So Engie/Mitsui have to rely on the sale being in good faith
“In contract law, the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing is a general presumption that the parties to a contract will deal with each other honestly, fairly, and in good faith, so as to not destroy the right of the other party or parties to receive the benefits of the contract.”
Clearly Engie/Mitsui have been dudded by both Federal and State Governments, not only in the tripling of the price of coal but also in that the State Government did nothing to preserve the value of what was bought in good faith. While this is not the fault of the State Government, Engie/Mitsui would be within their rights to ask for their money back.
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So I hope Engie bring an action against the State Government, that the terms of the sale of the power station were unjust, that the buyer has been deceived in that the State Government could not or did not prevent the new owner from being deprived of income by the actions of the Federal government and most recently that the same State Government sought to force the closure by tripling with notice and without justification the price of the only input to the power station. They could seek to return the power station to the State Government, a working and performing power station in good condition as just established for the sum of $2.399Billion plus $80Million for new scrubbers and perhaps another $1Bn in maintenance plus interest and losses. Seems fair.
The way out for the State and Federal governments is to immediately cancel the RET and let the owners continue trading as was implicitly promised without interference or punitive taxation or rules which targeted them so as to deliberately and with malice make their business unprofitable. In other words, exempt Hazelwood from the RET. While they are at it, they could repeal the RET in its entirety, along with 18C and close all the energy commissions set up under two Labor. Plus the HRC, ABC/SBS, CSIRO, BOM. Sell the lot or just close them. We want our country back. Drain the swamp.
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Well you’ve done it again, put a very logical train of possibilities up that might be near what’s going to happen.
Maybe, under the table.
Maybe hidden transfers back to Engie via overpriced power on its other generators.
This could be hidden from most and both Engie and the government could walk away smiling.
The only losers again, the energy consumer and taxpayers.
KK
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Is it possible there may be a copy in the State Archives?
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I dunno guys.
I think the little political rebellion we are all hoping will grow is fairly fragile.
Trump just had a big fail up here in Congress over health care.
It’s a strange situation.
The opposition to the progressives is pretty lame as led by our Republican party.
I think the dog didn’t expect to catch the car and has no idea what do with it.
The Global Elite are a powerful and organized force of true believers while we avoid believing truly.
Many who represent us on the right are also silently hoping to maintain the status quo.
(please forgive the presumptive ‘we’, but I think most readers here know what I mean)
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Donald is a charismatic revolutionary and loves a fight, and doesn’t give up.
So I’m thinking he will say if that’s your attitude we’ll introduce universal health cover, using the Australian model as a guide. To pay for this enormous impost we won’t go ahead with our planned expansion of the military budget.
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Trump may love a fight, but I doubt he’s a revolutionary.
Those are fortunate that don’t have carrier battle groups to feed and yet have access to them when necessary.
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Carrier battle groups are worthless in a nuclear exchange, status quo is fine for the military when there are no enemies within cooee.
To prove he is a revolutionary I’ll go out on a limb, what is your opinion on how he will handle the North Korean problem?
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Carrier battle groups may insure the integrity of the chessboard and prevent the nuclear exchange.
They may also make it tactically possible to neutralize the toy rockets of the toy great leader.
North Korea is like a crazy neighbor that wires his house with explosives and threatens to pull the pin unless you keep sending Chinese carryout.
Trump will keep the menu that’s already in the oval office desk.
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How about Donald saying to Xi (in a quiet moment with only translators present) if you captured that madman and sent him to the Haig for crimes against humanity, the world would cheer. Let’s cut a deal on this and we’ll walk away from the South China Sea issue, which is undeniably yours.
Set up a puppet government and pump infrastructure into the place, the princelings will be over the moon. There is money to be made here comrade, peace and prosperity in our time.
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Just watch, as usual Trump is playing a long and very clever game; too clever for correspondents who still have not come to grips with how Trump thinks and works.
Trump knows what he wants for health care, and he knew that Ryan was not going to give him what he wanted, so he gave him his head, even “supporting” him, knowing that not only would Ryan fail to get the support he needed, but it would expose the waverers and traitors in the GOP. Many of the Democrats want changes too, so I suspect Trump will now deal personally with those who share his vision and he will do the deal himself. This is all part of “The Art of the Deal”. I also suspect that Ryan’s tenure as speaker may be coming to an end.
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Obamacare is in a death spiral. As I recall Trump commented back in January, to paraphrase; ‘that it will crash and burn and we could just let it happen, but that wouldn’t be the right thing to do.’ Well once it crashes he now can blame his opponents. He said today that Pelosi and Schumer own it now. He just made sure that the Democrats will loose in the mid term elections again.
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Dave, I hope you are right.
Though the problem with government benefit programs is they are hard to kill.
Damn near immortal
Until they kill the the host.
In politics, blame and credit are two greasy little pigs.
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Just watch, as usual Trump is playing a long and very clever game; too clever for most correspondentswho still have not come to grips with how Trump thinks and works.
Trump knows what he wants for health care, and he knew that Ryan was not going to give him what he wanted, so he gave him his head, even “supporting” him, knowing that not only would Ryan fail to get the support he needed, but it would expose the waverers and traitors in the GOP. Many of the Democrats want changes too, so I suspect Trump will now deal personally with those who share his vision and he will do the deal himself. This is all part of “The Art of the Deal”. I also suspect that Ryan’s tenure as speaker may be coming to an end.
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Great summary PP of a possible and likely strategy by ‘the Donald’ !
I laugh at the leftoids that rubbish him continually, as if someone that is stupid could have done what he has done. Part of that being to beat all his clown opposition at their own game.
The so called wisdom of the politically experienced and Mug Stream Media, never seen him coming , but now he sits in the oval office as leader of the free world that i suspect will become much freer under his leadership that previous clown shows, the last in particular.
He also wants to be there for all the right reasons, as should be the case, unlike the career hacks.
Wish we had our own version here in Aus, instead of the infestation of duds we do have with only a handful of exceptions, of which no one yet is in ‘the Donald’s class!
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PP, I see it even more cleverly. It is true that Obamacare is imploding. The Democrats own it. Trump said several times that politically it would be wiser to let it implode, but for the country better to repeal and replace. And now the Freedom Caucus has to own the fact that the Obamacare they despise still exists because of them. And he may well soon be rid of Ryan (who was critical of Trump during the campaign) without having lifted a finger. Looks like a trifecta.
And as Obamacare implodes, the Dems will become more cooperative for the next effort.
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The media are doing plenty of squawking about not-yet-formed-but-already-named Cyclone Debbie.
Readers will recall the blatant malpractice last year over alleged Cyclone Marcia: the Middle Percy Island data was deleted long after the storm had passed and a full record existed.
This time, I’ll try to assemble a decent record, and maybe others can do the same?
The key off-shore stations look like being Marion Reef, Creal Reef and maybe Flinders Reef (if it tracks the other way).
The forecast track map suggests a Category 4 landfall, but they always have acceleration. I am doubtful; my airflow is currently from SSE so partly over land, but doesn’t seem warm enough.
On the other hand, if I’m wrong and it doesn’t fizzle, I might not be posting follow-ups 🙂
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A test of inserting the track map for Cyclone Debbie into a base with nearby BoM stations linked below (2.13Mb.
Marion Reef already showing some effects? 89 km/hr sustained, gusts to 107.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wnshj0t8xd78o00/debbietrackingmap-test.pdf?dl=0
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Looking at latest data
Seems Debbie is moving South!
I like your Track Map!
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Free thinkers avoid the news and take the weather as it comes.
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This may well be true for the USA. However, as usual, Australia is well behind the curve.
Here is the Prince of Wales – the one whose wife died in a car “accident” – telling the kids all about it. With a helping hand from Fairfax, of course.
Climate Change review: Engaging approach to a pressing tale
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Climate Change was a losing issue. Just look at the Republican primaries. Everybody that touted climate change had no chance. Jeb, Rubio, Lindsey Graham…Soon the only ones left standing were the two who had the courage to tell the truth on climate change. Eventually the also runs we scrambling to be seen as skeptics too. Hillary only mentioned climate change behind closed doors where she thought sympathetic ears would hear it. It was political poison. The media of course knows this. They knew that putting climate change in a prominent position in the 24 hours propaganda narrative would only hurt the candidate they were advocating for.
For the most part Americans are ambivalent about the issue. Those few who know the correct facts and have an basic understanding the real science are skeptics. Leftists support believers and push the tired narrative because it is the vehicle for almost their entire long term political agenda. Those who are true believers with a religious fever are actually very few.
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I hope I can get a chance to look at the primary data before this post gets forgotten and people move on (ie in about 1 day).
Compare to this post http://joannenova.com.au/2013/08/the-day-the-global-warming-death-spiral-began/ and note the insight provided by the attractive commenter in #3. It looks to me a similar pattern.
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must say I was surprised to hear this odd Seqwater story on Macquaries radio network news headlines this morning!
24 Mar: Brisbane Times: Tony Moore: Dams at lowest point since 2010 as Seqwater warns of water restrictions
South-east Queensland has had two very dry summers and its 12 dams were at their lowest point since 2010, Seqwater acting chief executive officer Jim Pruss said.
“Based on current modelling and consumption rates, south-east Queensland is another wet season away from having to consider water restrictions,” he said…
“We have seen consumption increase on average by 10 litres per person per day compared to last summer, to an average of 188 litres per person per day,” he said…
“While SEQ is not yet in a drinking water supply drought, our grid dam levels have been falling, so it is a good time for all of us to start looking at ways we can better conserve water.”…
Although steady rain has been falling in south-east Queensland and a cyclone may be forming off north Queensland, dams in the state’s south-east are at their lowest point in six years.
SEQ’s 12 dams are at an average of 71.8 per cent full, the lowest since January 2010…
South-east Queensland’s dams include Wivenhoe, Somerset, North Pine, Hinze, Baroon Pocket, Leslie Harrison, Ewen Maddock, Cooloolabin, Lake Kurwongbah, Lake Macdonald, Little Nerang and Wappa…
He said Queensland’s water grid – a connection of water pipelines, desalination plants and dams built in south-east Queensland in the mid 2000s – had made it easier to share water supplies.
“The connected water treatment plants and pipelines across the water grid, and the availability of the Gold Coast Desalination Plant and the Western Corridor Recycled Water Scheme to respond to drought, means the region has more resources at its disposal to manage drought,” Mr Pruss said.
Seqwater has introduced a “drought readiness phase” into its community planning.
Mr Pruss said this would help the SEQ community consider making changes if the drought eventuated and water restrictions were needed…
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/dams-at-lowest-point-since-2010-as-seqwater-warns-of-water-restrictions-20170324-gv65tu.html
I have been trying to reconcile the above with the info below:
17 Mar: Gold Coast Bulletin: Lea Emery: Gold Coast urged to save water despite dams reaching capacity and lots of rainfall
GOLD Coasters are being warned to save water despite more the 120mm expected to smash the region this weekend and our two dams being at capacity.
“There are discussions about moving into drought and water efficiencies again if we don’t have a change in rainfall,” he said.
The comment came the same day storms had lashed the region and Acting Mayor Donna Gates had reminded Gold Coasters to stay safe during the wet weather.
It was clear it was not the Gold Coast water levels causing the concern.
Water and waste committee chairman Paul Taylor said the region was “pretty well drought free” since the grid system had been introduced.
“In other words we can get water pumped if need by from Brisbane and the Wivenhoe Dam,” he said…
Cr Taylor said if worst came to worst the Tugun desalination plant could be used to pump water back into the grid…
A council spokeswoman said the water and waste department had met regularly with SEQwater to monitor the region’s water supplies.
“Although the recent rainfall is a welcome relief, and there are no immediate plans to introduce water restrictions, residents are strongly encouraged to use water wisely,” she said.
The warning comes ahead of SEQwater chiefs plans to release water saving tips later this month while a review of the water supply program and drought-readiness is completed…
During the summer the Gold Coast’s water consumption rose about 6 per cent as people tried desperately to keep cool.
http://www.goldcoastbulletin.com.au/news/council/gold-coast-urged-to-save-water-despite-dams-reaching-capacity-and-lots-of-rainfall/news-story/5ad92fc52e7a9f2ea0b5fccb12f9b2c7
18 Mar: DailyTelegraph: Linda Silmalis: Sydney water usage plunges thanks to drought-era habits
DROUGHT days may be long behind us, but Sydneysiders are using less water than they did 25 years ago.
Despite the number of households soaring, habits picked up a decade ago when dam levels were at record lows mean average water bills are down by nearly $100 a year.
It has delayed the need for investing in a new dam.
However, while we’re using 100 billion litres a year less, record high temperatures and extreme weather events mean the government has had to ***revise the dam level that triggers a drought response, while also exploring controversial options such as using recycled water for drinking.
The details are in the 2017 Metropolitan Water Plan, which spells out strategies to secure drinking water over the next decade amid a changing climate.
To be released by the state government today, it also reveals plans to modify Warragamba Dam to allow water to be diverted into the Hawkesbury-Nepean river system to improve swimming and boating conditions…
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/sydney-water-usage-plunges-thanks-to-droughtera-habits/news-story/18781a9c7b4424360f65f9087c1f3963
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Pat that story does contradict itself on so many levels but all normal for warmists , someone once said in order to be a good liar you need to have a good memory .
And they forgot about the first lie when coming up with the second .
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Meanwhile in Hollywood, it’s the very important celebrity’s party, and Leo deCrapio is listening to an earnest new fashionista sporting a tie-dyed face and extravagantly teased ‘natural look’ wig in the latest shade of Orangutan …
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"Global Warming?""Climate change? You aaare kidding, now aren't you?"
"No darlings that's just so, well, so 2012!"
"No darlings this season's fashion meme is 'Ban the Trump' and 'Save the Socialite World'.
As I said to Bono just last week, we need to show our sharing, caring side to ourselves! That right honey. The gorgeously important people are not being properly appreciated so, ..."
Now we have to go back to the studio for tomorrow’s alarming weather forecast, and where I understand that temperatures are set to peak during the afternoon! …
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‘They had not won the debate through reason and argument but through ridicule.’
Well, they won the media debate because a socialist president, a socialism-sympathising media, and a bevy of international organisations adopted it as a pet project for redistribution. But they did not wind the debate at the polls in the USA. And, fortunately, that is the main game.
Australians, as usual, are a little behind the trend, and for some reason still voting for the messianic schemes of the left. but that’ll change too.
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no link to the paper:
24 Mar: Guardian: Katharine Murphy: Turnbull leaves open idea of carbon credits to meet emissions target
‘High quality units’ could lower cost of obligations, discussion paper says, despite previous opposition from Tony Abbott
While Abbott used to characterise the trade of international credits as “money that shouldn’t be going offshore into dodgy carbon farms in Equatorial Guinea and Kazakhstan” – a new discussion paper, released on Friday, notes that “high quality international units could contribute to lowering the costs of meeting [Australia’s] 2030 target”.
The discussion paper is being used by the federal government to open a conversation about its heavily criticised Direct Action climate policy…
Noting that the electricity sector is currently Australia’s largest source of emissions, the paper says “a less emissions‑intensive electricity sector can also support emissions reductions elsewhere by replacing other, more emissions intensive, fuel sources — for example, in industrial facilities and through ***electric vehicle uptake”…
The discussion paper released Friday reopens the debate about using international permits by noting the rules for trading international emissions reductions after 2020 are yet to be established.
As the paper notes, international trading of emissions units allows countries to count emissions reductions delivered in another country towards their own targets, which helps to minimise the global cost of achieving abatement…
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/mar/24/turnbull-leaves-open-idea-of-carbon-credits-to-meet-emissions-target
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Dept of the Environment & Energy: Review of Australia’s climate change policies – Discussion Paper
On 24 March 2017, the Department released a Discussion Paper, available below. The Discussion Paper invites input from business and the community.
How you can get involved
The Discussion Paper is open for public consultation until 5 May 2017.
Read the Discussion Paper (LINK)…
Send your submission…ETC
http://www.environment.gov.au/climate-change/review-climate-change-policies/discussion-paper-2017
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Norway – the happiest place on Earth!
13 Mar: OilPrice: Tsvetana Paraskova: Norway plans record number of Arctic Oil Exploration Blocks
Norway’s Ministry of Petroleum and Energy is proposing 102 blocks in the 24th licensing round, of which nine blocks are in the Norwegian Sea, and a record-high 93 blocks – in the Barents Sea. A considerable number of the blocks proposed in the Barents Sea are located north of the northernmost oil discovery in Norway..
According to the Norwegian Petroleum Directorate, the Barents Sea holds half of the undiscovered resources in the Norwegian Continental Shelf.
Local environmental group Bellona has described the plans for nominating so many blocks as “total madness”, Reuters reports.
“It’s as if the environment isn’t an issue for the government. This is on a collision course with the Paris Agreement [on climate change], the EU parliament and all Norwegian environmental management,” according to Bellona head Frederic Hauge, as quoted by Reuters…
http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Norway-Plans-Record-Number-Of-Arctic-Oil-Exploration-Blocks.html
16 Mar: EU Observer: MEPs reject ban on Arctic oil drilling
By Aleksandra Eriksson, Brussels
MEPs have rejected a proposal saying that the EU should work for a total ban on oil drilling in the Arctic.
The proposal was part of the European Parliament’s report on an integrated EU policy for the Arctic, which was voted on Thursday (16 March)…
The Arctic is estimated to hold 22 percent of the world’s undiscovered oil and gas resources…
***Eirik Sivertsen, chair of the Norwegian parliament’s delegation for Arctic cooperation, has furthermore sent a letter to MEPs saying that climate change “cannot be solved by symbolic actions.”
“The problems of climate change were not created in the Arctic and cannot be solved in the Arctic alone,” he said.
There have also been calls for the Norwegian EU minister, Frank Bakke-Jensen, to resign over his handling of the situation…
Norway was the first industrial country in the world to ratify the 2015 climate Paris agreement, but all parties are committed to continued Arctic oil drilling…
https://euobserver.com/nordic/137263
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24 Mar: UK Times: Emily Gosden: Businesses paid to cut energy at peak times
Businesses that agree to cut energy use when national supplies are running low will receive subsidies six times higher than plants that guarantee to provide power…
Subsidies will be awarded to 312 megawatts of capacity at £45 per kilowatt. This contrasts with a scheme last month that awarded power plants just under £7 per kilowatt to guarantee they could generate electricity when supplies were scarce…SUBSCRIPTION REQD
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/businesses-paid-to-cut-energy-at-peak-times-m3z7wt9z5
23 Mar: EnergyLiveNews: National Grid secures 312MW of turn-down DSR
Around 312MW of turn-down demand side response (DSR) has been secured by National Grid as part of its capacity auction.
The Transitional Auction (TA), which supports the Capacity Market, cleared at £45/kW/year for delivery in 2017/18…
Winners include UK Power Reserve, Limejump, EnerNOC UK, EDF Energy, KiWi Power, Smartest Energy and Tata Steel UK.
As part of the scheme, participants will reduce power usage, especially when demand increases during peak times – between 9am to 11am or 4pm and 8pm…
Demand turn down includes temporarily switching off unnecessary lighting, pumps and motors, while demand shifting is the practice of moving a business process to earlier or later in the day…
SmartestEnergy says the clearing price is “far higher” than what it predicted…READ ON
http://www.energylivenews.com/2017/03/23/national-grid-secures-312mw-of-demand-side-capacity/
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If the CAGW propaganda is to stop(here), then the AlpgreensBC and SBS need to be defunded by 100% and abolished ! Such would put an end to 95% of the rubbish we are flooded with.
They are both no more than Marxist / Totalitarian Conglomerates.
They are supposed to be balanced because they are taxpayer funded, and yet blatantly and arrogantly refuse to comply with this their legally obligated charter.
I would bet that most of their employees, its pontificators especially, have never worked anywhere else, most certainly not private business….just straight out of Marxist University, to the AlpgreensBC or SBS, or some other loopy bureaucratic bunch of tax payer funded group think tanks.
Also with regular appearances on shows like ‘Q and BS’, and ‘the Dumb’ to enable them to shout down any dissent with ridicule and straight out lies, whilst being cheered on by their pre-loaded leftoid group think cabal.
Why is their 100% forced tax payer funding for what only at best 1/3 of the population wants?
Such is not voter compliance. Such is dictatorship by the few, instead of servitude to the many that fund these parasitic few.
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24 Mar: UK Independent: Ian Johnston: Many MPs who complained about BBC’s coverage of Brexit are ‘hardline Euro-climate sceptics’
Some on the right-wing of British politics appear to share antipathy towards the BBC, the European Union and climate science
In the letter, signed by more than 70 MPs, the corporation was accused of “pre-referendum pessimism” and a failure to “accept new facts…
An analysis of the signatories’ voting records by DeSmog UK (LINK), which aims to “clear the PR pollution” around climate science, found that six of the MPs had consistently sought to prevent measures designed to tackle global warming in parliament…
The Bright Blue think tank, which campaigns for liberal conservatism, has urged Tories to “loudly disown” Donald Trump’s views on the subject, warning that failing to do so could “contaminate” the party.
Being associated with climate denial, as the science and the weather make it increasingly clear what is happening, could ultimately see the party paying the price at the ballot box, Bright Blue warned.
http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/mps-bbc-brexit-coverage-euroscpetic-climate-change-deniers-demoguk-report-eu-a7647466.html
23 Mar: DesmogUK: Kyla Mandel: MPs Who Complained About BBC’s Brexit Coverage Linked to Network of Hardline Euro-Climate Sceptics
An analysis of the 70 signatories of the complaint letter urging the BBC to “accept new facts” on Brexit shows 12 are part of the 55 Tufton Street climate denier network. A further six MPs have consistently voted against climate measures in Parliament.
This includes Conservatives Owen Paterson and Steve Baker along with Labour’s Graham Stringer and UKIP’s Douglas Carswell. These four are linked to the Tufton Street network through either their membership to the Vote Leave campaign or association with Lord Lawson’s climate denying Global Warming Policy Foundation…
And Davies last September led a Westminster Hall debate where he said of the BBC: “I have been in many BBC studios and canteens and I’ve yet to see anyone sitting there reading a copy of the Daily Express or the Daily Mail, loudly complaining about immigration, Brussels, or suggesting that climates(SHOULD BE ‘CLAIMS’) about climate change are somewhat over-egged.”…
***The BBC’s director general Tony Hall responded this week to the letter saying that “Impartiality has always been the cornerstone of BBC News. It remains so today.”
https://www.desmog.uk/2017/03/23/mps-complained-about-bbc-s-brexit-coverage-linked-network-hardline-euro-climate-sceptics
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Obviously Impartiality is subject to who is talking.
“When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that’s all.”
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Here in UK Credit has slipped in as the thing to fear.
BBC used to blame future farming failure, increasing political and religious tension on Climate Chaos. Never mentioned now.
Perhaps they hope that we will forget who called for increasing enrgy costs, exporting jobs, warping of the scientific ethos and enrichment of charlatans.
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lots of concern with no evidence:
AUDIO: 8mins03secs: 24 Mar: ABC Breakfast: Health concerns in the Latrobe Valley
The Latrobe Valley has one of the highest rates of lung cancer and cardiovascular disease in Victoria, not to mention a long history of asbestos-related disease.
Studies are only now starting to determine whether there any links between these health statistics and the presence of the coal mine and power station.
There’s also concern about the long-term consequences of a mine which blanketed Morwell in smoke for more than a month back in 2014.
Guest: Dr Jo McCubbin, Paediatrician; board member, Climate and Health Alliance
http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/health-concerns-over-hazelwood/8382556
scepticism when it suits theirABC:
TRANSCRIPT/AUDIO: 24 Mar: ABC PM: Town of Waubra divided over wind energy
THOMAS ORITI, ABC: The town’s allegiance to wind has split the town, turning neighbours and friends against each other.
And it’s also become a magnet for anti-wind farm campaigners, who have labelled a so-called illness that comes with living near turbines, Waubra disease.
But that’s caused a different type of nausea for many residents, who object to the name of their home being linked to an illness that’s been disputed by doctors and scientists…
DANNY TRAN: Critics have long claimed that infrasound, which refers to low frequency sounds, causes people to feel sick but the Australian Medical Association is sceptical.
LORRAINE BAKER: There is no indication that infrasound for instance, could induce the symptoms you’ve described.
Anxiety certainly can.
DANNY TRAN: According to the AMA’s Victorian president, Dr Lorraine Baker, that anxiety can cause symptoms…READ ON
http://www.abc.net.au/pm/content/2016/s4642047.htm
wind industry “experts”, turbines comply with regs & rules:
24 Mar: Colorado Gazette: Rachel Riley: Reassurances fail to convince some neighbors El Paso County wind farm is safe
Residents living by a wind farm near Calhan say the turbines are affecting their health and harming animals, despite reassurances from experts at this week’s El Paso County commissioners’ meeting…
“This is poisoning people. It’s poisoning animals,” said Wolfe, who has lived at his home between Yoder and Calhan for 20 years. He also blames the turbines for the cardiovascular problems his wife has begun to experience and the death of seven of their animals, including five dogs…
Experts told commissioners that study after study has shown the infrasound generated by windmills isn’t hazardous to humans, and the levels of infrasound and amount of shadow flicker created by the turbines are in compliance with local regulations and zoning rules…
“It’s changed our life dramatically,” said Joe Cobb, who lives close to the wind farm. “And I don’t care how many experts come up here and tell me it’s perfectly normal. It’s not perfectly normal.”…
Under the terms of the contract, commissioners have the option to “require additional and reasonable mitigation or remedial actions” if NextEra does not adequately address complaints.
http://gazette.com/reassurances-fail-to-convince-some-neighbors-el-paso-county-wind-farm-is-safe/article/1599581
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To quote a line from Jo’s headline post;
There is a great deal more depth to that line of comment than appears on the surface.
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For with demise of climate alarmist news and its base of Climate Alarmism , there goes also the whole scientific, academic and media supported base on which globalisation was being erected and built on by a small very elitist, invariably left to hard left orientated political and economic hierarchy in Europe’s EU and in the USA.
By fiat, Globalisation was a built in characteristic of what was going to be a major but unwritten component of EVERY major international Climate agreement.
Such agreements were structured and were to be structured in the future on the basis that every nation would have to be signatory to such an global agreement so as to Save the Planet by a forced reduction of CO2 emissions across the global nations.
Well at least a couple of dozen named western advanced nations which were the complete ass holes responsible for destroying the climate and thereby the Planet were to be the subject of a major imposition of shake down monies to atone for their grossest of guilt in destroying the global climate.
Other nations, that is almost all of them, got off scot free and were intended to be the recipients of immense largesse funneled through a UN elitist controlled Climate fund which was to both enforce the provisioning of immense amounts of financial largesse from the few dozen western nations by publicly shaming them and so controlling the basics of those societies based on a Climate elite’s creation of an entire national society guilt complex over its role in the claimed always coming, never appearing except in unqualified pseudo science arm waving circumstances, the always about to be Climate Catastrophe as promulgated by the elitist supporting leftist media and the hard left inept and ignorant of science, politicians and talking heads in the media.
The pretence of the “climate guilt ” of the advanced nations only needed to be maintained for a limited period of possibly no more than a decade or so until the UN climate elite had their own people in positions of influence and power, often hidden deep within the political and bureaucratic structures, the Deep State, within the democracies from where they could have heavily influenced and even eventually controlled a large part of a developed nation’s political and economic and social direction.
The”not responsible for the climate catastrophe” nations as deemed by the UN Climate elite were to be kept in line and in thrall to the UN Climate elite controlled fund through the promises and allocations of the shake down funding from the western nations to those poor wretches [ sarc/ ] who had suffered such calamitous climate events due to the western nations callous disregard for their impact on the climate.
If those less developed and undeveloped and political lemming like run nations did not shape up and fit their policies to conform with the UN climate controlled funding elite’s demands , then reduced or no funding, an unacceptable proposition to innumerable and totally corrupt robed and business suited dictators and despots that are such a prominent and sickening feature of today’s increasingly morbid and an increasingly Droid like UN.
It is implied by the above that had Copenhagen 2009 agreement been signed then the UN climate elite and their control over the UN’s elite controlled international climate fund would have effectively gave them license to intrude and impose almost whatever conditions or penalties on a nation they liked and that they had deemed had not fallen into line with the UN Climate elitist’s demands on restructuring or conforming with the UN climate elites demands.
Copenhagen 2009 in fact, came close, very close indeed to entrenching the UN climate elites power and influence over the nations of Earth.
But due in a very large part indeed to the very brave and morally responsible person who released the Climate Gate mails at a very critical juncture, he revealed the incredible corruption and corrupting of the so called data underlaying the claims of a dangerously warming global climate, well verified by the very corrupt climate researchers own words, corruption of the data and science which raised just enough doubt so as to call into question the entire basis of UN controlled international climate treaty that was to be signed by the global nations at Copenhagen.
This plus the intransigence of the Chinese and a couple of other nations mean’t that the UN climate elite missed their major and as it turns out their only chance at imposing their elitist Global rule on the Nations of the Earth.
Anything after Copenhagen has been mere wishful thinking by the UN climate elite and much more importantly, by the UN based Globalisation elite and their chances of enforcing their grand vision of total control of the Earth’s people through the Copenhagen Climate agreement.
I do not believe that the Global warming / climate change debacle was a creation by the UN elite but it certainly was commandeered by that elite as a vehicle and an all encompassing popular cult like movement that had no central authority as its controller and therefore was highly subject to being infiltrated and taken over by a single dedicated elitist UN group, a take over in which they almost succeeded.
And when Copenhagen failed in such a spectacular fashion, down went the UN’s and the the UN based globalisation elites chances of dominating and eventually controlling the nations of Earth.
And down went the chances of that UN based elite of ever imposing, by force in the future, their own grossly corrupt and warped visions on how the world’s peoples were to be controlled andd governed for all the times ahead.
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Jo, in your headline you have it half right!
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Climate change and global warming are now well and truly on the long downward slide into eventual oblivion to be read of one day in some dry old history tome.
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But you missed the really big half that the world has managed more through luck than design to have avoided what might have been a very traumatic future for the race of mankind, the total domination through the climate change agreements of mankind by a small UN based, highly elitist and morally and ethically completely corrupt power hungry , stop at nothing hard leftist grouping assembled from the UN orbits of its highly varied collection of its increasingly unsavoury political and academic elites.
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I am very surprised that this excellent comment has not attracted more support/comment. I was the first to Like it.
In my opinion 3 very important events all came together to save the world from the clutches of unelected Globalised One World Government. First, as you note Climategate came at precisely the right time. The developed world owes a great debt of gratitude to that, and to the person who released the emails.
Second was the economic downturn/financial crash of 2008 to which the developed nations have yet to emerge. This placed a financial restraint on what could be done. This was a more important issue that required more prompt address, and there was simply not the money to go around and available to make the financial reparations required by the proposed Global Government/Control scheme.
Third, there was the pause which was already beginning to show up in 2009 (there had been 10 years without any warming). The fact that the pause continued to show during the preparation of AR5 and the fact that this led to a number of papers suggesting modest Climate Sensitivity to CO2 undermined AR5.
With a weak AR5 and the continued economic doldrums no real progress could be made at Paris. The Chinese and Indians were not on board and the US and Europe did not have money to go it alone.
Since the Paris Agreement, the political landscape has changed. First there has been Brexit which rejected the concept of technocratic unelected government. The EU is the general framework for the system and type of Global One World Government which was to be foistered upon the people. Thus Brexit was a shot across the bows but probably could have been down played as a bit of local difficulty provided that populism did not spread across Europe perhaps with Frexit or some other major European country voting to leave the EU, or the Euro project.
Second, of course, has come Trump. How someone with no political backing, no party machine, no experience of politics and who was not beholden to MSM could become the most powerful person in the world has struck a very significant blow to the Global One World Governance. If Trump cannot be quickly overthrown (and presently operations are in full swing to bring him down), the blow that his election has caused will be fatal. If Trump’s presidency is a success, it is Game Over.
The recent strong 2015/16 El Nino was unfortunate since this has enabled the warmists to adjust the data, to claim that a natural event not caused by CO2 has wiped out the pause and to evenclaim that there never was a pause. There was always ongoing warming but it had not been properly appreciated that it was hiding in the oceans. The physics behind CO2 is indeed magic. At times it can go into the atmosphere causing the atmosphere to heat but not the oceans, and at other times it can go into the oceans causing the oceans to heat but not the atmosphere. That is some remarkable physics indeed, but there is no scientific rigour in climate science and the MSM will not question matters since they are part of the unelected technocratic global elite taht wish to rule the world.
We will have to hope that there is no further warming during Trump’s presidency. Hopefully, there will be a strong La Nina, which whilst only a natural event will curtail warming and possible lead to some cooling such that the pause may once more reappear in the run up to AR6.
If the pause makes such an appearance in the run up to AR6, given the significant change in landscape caused by Brexit and Trump, it is probable that Climate Alarmism will further wane and will disappear off the radar.
Of course, it is far too early to claim victory. The deep state is hard at work, and will find another cause upon which to hitch its wagon. We need to be forever vigilant.
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There is a far more basic explanation. Climate Change (nee Global Warming) is simply not credible. Every scare has proven to be baseless. Remember the shipload of Prof Turkey’s warmists stuck in Antarctic ice. The discover of the missing caribou. Polar bears are at record numbers. No one believe the dangerous sea rises because in 30 years, everyone has been back to the beach and it is not 90 feet higher, as promised.
Cyclones and hurricanes are actually halved in number, as confirmed by the Chinese no less. The windmills simply do not work. (silly idea) and solar cells are no better than solar hot water, with the same problems in winter. Now with a meter of snow in the Sahara and a particuarly cold winter in Europe, it is all falling apart. Those drowning Pacific islands? Fine and growing. Australia’s new climate of drought? Perth was awash in mid summer this year and $100Bn of desalination plants in the other states are unused and will take another 20 years to pay off.
So no one believes this rubbish any more, except the politicians who are slaves to marginal votes, which is why we have 18C, unchecked economic migration in most democracies and rocketing social services bills, from ObamaCare to CentreLink. Politicians handing out other people’s money, as true socialists.
Climate Change makes poor news. No one believes it. Still, no one knows about the RET. They will only wake up when the lights go out, the elevators stop, hospitals cancel surgery, the airports close and the factories and offices send everyone home.
Stop the RET. It is a disaster happening today. Wisdom in hindsight is no substitute for avoidance.
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For some repetition from another blog:
man in a barrel says: 22 Mar 17 at 9:06 am
(“So between say 1990 and 2005 global warming hysteria got embedded in the universities and was starting to get into the media and politics. Did it really only take 15 or so years for these institutions to lose their minds?”)
Such nonsense seems to start in 1964 when Dr. Goody published his textbook on atmospheric physics. In that text he referenced the theory of Dr. Satyendra N. Bose. In 1924 Bose wrote a paper deriving Planck’s quantum radiation equation without any reference to classical physics by using a novel way of counting states with identical particles.creating the field of quantum statistics, now generally ignored. This paper completely ignored Maxwell’s famous equations for electromagnetic field theory; instead substituting his concept of ‘statistical photons’ as the method of radiant heat transfer! This in turn lead to the concept that a black-body must radiate according to a function its own temperature (t^4) independent of surround thermal electromagnetic opposing field strength, for a BB, also a proportional t^4. Such a conjecture is in direct conflict with Maxwell’s field theory, completely bogus, only true for a surround BB temperature of 0 Kelvin, and a violation of required mathematical precedence in evaluating Boltzmann;s (S-B) equation.
Such is the history of what is still being fed to innocent university physics students. Only in some of the best EE curriculum do Maxwell’s equations, precede this utter rubbish. Without this nonsense no one could conceive of spontaneous thermal EMR flux being simultaneously generated in opposing directions. Such concept must be a violation of the second law of thermodynamics, An invention of a perpetuum mobile of the second kind, And the basis of all CAGW!! So no not 15 years, instead 53 years of the brainwashing of not so innocent children, many now college lecturers!
These are the same lukewarmers that never even got a chance at learning the scientific method of “For every conjecture, a demonstration must be carefully designed that needs only the distinction between ‘maybe and FAIL’, claimed verification remains but maybe!” Rinse repeat until Failure or no more money! The skeptical folk need to concentrate on the repeating over and over the complete lack of any science at all in what has so far been presented.
All the best! -will-
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Off thread slightly, but remember that tonight we have EARTH HOUR, which is your chance to experience what North Korea gets 8760 hours per year if you don’t happen to be a chubby little despot with a bad haircut.
For the rest of us, remember to turn off all unnecessary power consumers BEFORE 8:30, and then go to town with everything you’ve got at 8:30 pm for one hour. Not only will this help stabilise the power distribution load, it will peeve a lot of greenies.
Which is not a bad thing to do, is it?
Cheers,
Speedy
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I want to personally thank TdeF for the many many concise and fact filled posts he has created.
The quantity and accuracy of relevant “facts” in each post he makes is astounding.
Post 38 is a great example: true, seas haven’t risen 90 ft in the past 30 years and true politicians are slaves to marginal votes.
The amount of reading, research and effort that has given us these posts deserves recognition but on top of that there is now a body of material that can be read easily by those currently backing the CAGW scam.
The challenge now is to ask out how to have this type of “climate rejection” material placed in front of people in the same way that the scam was created; REPETITION.
Climate truth deserves REPETITION.
KK
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Appreciated, KK.
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And many thanks to Jo and David for creating this wonderful blog where so many people can discover and discuss the truth, driven by Jo’s tireless search to expose the fake science and social engineering behind the trillion dollar a year Ecopalypse, the greatest waste of money and goodwill and peacetime in the history of the planet.
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Thank you Keith, My Reply(s) to TedF-#38 are in moderation.
Naughty, naughty me. 🙂
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BTW Not change, but interpret the second amendment such as “US citizens are inherent members of the well regulated militia”, and must be trained in the use and maintenance of self supplied
bearArms, and be always carry sufficientbearArms,to effectively repel any attempted invasion by foreign mercenaries, (so called immigrants)!Is there a large market in Bear arms? did anyone tell the bears?
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all the pretence of caring about developing countries being most affected by CAGW, and praise for China taking over as CAGW leader of the world yet – apart from a shortened version in Cuba’s Prensa Latina – this did not get picked up by ANY MEDIA WHATSOEVER, NOT EVEN THE CAGW ONLINE BLOGS, ETC:
The Group of 77: STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE GROUP OF 77 AND CHINA BY MS. HELENA YANEZ LOZA, MINISTER AND DEPUTY PERMANENT REPRESENTATIVE OF ECUADOR TO THE UNITED NATIONS, AT THE HIGH-LEVEL SDG ACTION EVENT “CLIMATE CHANGE AND THE SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT AGENDA” (New York, 23 March 2017)
The Group restates that the Paris Agreement was a result of a collective effort by all Parties working constructively in a spirit of compromise, to timely and effectively address the global challenge posed by the adverse impacts of climate change, through enhancing the implementation of the Convention, including its provisions and principles, in particular equity and common but differentiated responsibilities and respective capabilities, in the light of different national circumstances.
During the implementation phase, the delicate balance of all the elements of the Paris Agreement as well as the principles and provisions of the Convention must be preserved. The Group also restates its expectations for developed countries to continue taking the lead in addressing climate change, particularly in the implementation of the Paris Agreement in accordance with historical responsibilities and their respective capabilities…
It is therefore regrettable that after more than four years, only 75 parties have deposited their instruments of acceptance to the Doha Amendment…
The Group sees the Kyoto Protocol as a fundamental building block in our post-2020 efforts. We urge all Parties that have not done so to ratify the Doha Amendment expeditiously….
Certainty for the financing of an Adaptation Fund that serves the Convention, including the Paris Agreement, also needs to be guaranteed. Timely and effective actions by the entities related to the UNFCCC financial mechanism, the Green Climate Fund and the Global Environment Facility, and from the Standing Committee on Finance are expected for developing country Parties to access adequate means of implementation to undergo actions on mitigation and adaptation both pre and post-2020. Adequate, predictable and sustained finance, technology and capacity-building must be ensured to assist developing country Parties to enhance our climate actions…
In conclusion, the Group of 77 and China remains committed to addressing climate change, recognizing that its Member States has been the most affected by the adverse impacts of climate change which erode our development gains and undermining and delaying the achievement of the goals under the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development. We are already taking significant steps in this regard. Nonetheless, for our common goals to be achieved, enhanced and adequate financial and technology support as well as capacity building must be provided to allow for effective action both pre-2020 and beyond…
http://www.g77.org/statement/getstatement.php?id=170323
think of all the time and money wasted by the poorest of the Countries in the Group of 77, over decades, in the name of CAGW, in the hope of receiving money & free transfer of technology…and it was all for nought!
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Send them all our windmills! I’ll wager they would not accept them. Cash is preferred. Besides generally only rich countries can afford windmills and do not need them and poor countries do not want them. They are noisy, spoil the landscape, kills the birds, work intermittently, catch fire and are impossible to service, fix or sell for scrap. It was not what was expected from Kashyoto.
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The public have more than enough,
Of The-Boy-Crying-Wolf climate bluff,
And his annual call,
Of the ‘warmest of all’,
Like the Emperor caught in the buff.
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Priceless, as ever, Ruairi.
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What do you think of this idea?
We create somewhere, maybe on this site if Jo is agreeable a “Wall of Shame” listing the names of all the “scientists”, politicians, public serpents and organisations that promoted the lie of global warming, what they did and when they did it. It would be meticulously referenced and there would be links to articles showing their claims and we would include refutations of what they did.
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I like the idea,
It will be very long list.
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Who knew Trump would consume all the mann made CO2 on the planet ?
Global warming was caused by mann made cash .
Funny how as the cash dries up a brand new boggie mann was on it’s way .
Sorry Russians but tag you are it .
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