Now that would be interesting….hes actually quite an intelligent guy, I heard him interviewed.
( I actually dont like his material at all, but boy he can stick the knife in accurately…a bit liek the yobbo version of mocking the hipsters and their smashed avvo…..)
The alarmist have now polarised themselves into a belief system .
No amount of rational and scientific discussions or arguments will mow change their minds.
Evidence means nothing to them.
Since they now operate at this emotional/irrational level, means the best form of attack is now satire and ridicule.
We just need to laugh at them.
Lets turn the tables and call them Climate Deniers
They deny that the climate change has always occurred naturally
They deny that there was an ice age 13000 years ago when the temps were much lower, the sea levels 65 meters lower and there was 1 km of ice over where new York now stands.
They deny that CO2 is not a pollutant and there are significant benefits from an increase to the ecology of the planet from increased plant food
They deny that cutting CO2 emissions will have no measurable impact to temp.
They deny that the cost of reducing CO2 and supporting windmills and solar power through subsidies will destroy western economies and directly benefit China India Japan ,etc
Basically they are the New Age Creationists
To them the earth was created perfect pre 1950’s and use of fossil fuels since then is now equivalent to eating the apple in the garden of Eden.
As mimed by Michael Mann.
Any resemblance between the actors and Barack Obama, Al Gore, Donald Trump and Peter Griffin’s chicken was intentional.
No chickens were harmed in the miming of this video.
Their older vids are mostly even better. Here in the US Trump is a stopped clock, right once in a long while. He’s definitely no Eisenhower. But, I’m probably prejudiced since I followed the situation at Balmedie, Scotland. He would have called the ranch I grew up on a “slum” much the same as the homes of some of those Scots.
When people need to be reminded of extreme weather in the 1930s. This slide show with music from Woody Guthrie gets it through. https://youtu.be/vXqflrkJiO4
1787: ”There were patches of snow on Tasmania in the height of summer, which is a fairly unusual thing to see.” – Joelle Gergis of the University of Melbourne.
I don’t have the links any more but in the earlier 2000’s there was snow on Christmas Day in the Victorian High Country. I saw photographs of it in The Age online (was living in England at the time). Some wag had scrawled something like ‘Merry Xmas’ in the snow on a 4WD windscreen and it happened in the middle of a bad lot of bushfires up there.
Then there are much-loved small-scale solar panels that sit atop so many homes, including our own Prime Minister’s.
(I understand he has opted for the Rolls-Royce version, complete with a bank of batteries for backup.)
Q1: Does the PM’s solar panels face north, taking advantage of the rich subsidies, rather than ‘save the planet”:
Feb, 2017: “solar panels ‘next to useless’ at key times, expert says
An odd quirk of renewable energy in Australia is that the bulk of our rooftop solar panels are pointed in the wrong direction.
Given generous feed-in tariffs offered by states to kickstart the industry, it made sense for households to face panels northwards to maximise the photovoltaic generation they could export to the grid.
“At around 5pm, these panels are next to useless,” Paul McArdle, chief executive of energy software firm, Global-Roam, said.
If those panels were facing westwards, they would catch more of the summer sun and smooth more of the hump in household electricity demand that contributed to this week’s strains on power supplies in South Australia and NSW.
Q2. Consequently, does our PM accept some of the $14B of subsidy money paid by poor Australians who can’t afford the “rolls royce” of solar?
Feb, 2017: “He estimated it would increase power bills for non-solar households by $15.75 a year, and cited Grattan Institute research that in 2015 found Australians without solar panels had effectively paid $14 billion to subsidise those with them.”
Q3. Does PM Turnbull think sea level rise is a direct result of his solar system when renovating his private jetty and not relocating the jetty a 25m higher?
(2006, James Hanson, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute, is arguably the world authority on climate change. He predicts that we have just a decade to avert a 25-metre rise of the sea. Picture an eight-storey building by a beach, then imagine waves lapping its roof. That’s what a 25-metre rise in sea level looks like.)
Ours went from 8cents to 11 cents now I see some company’s are offering 14 cents but there’s always fine print , only apples to the first teaspoon full you put back into the grid after that you get zip .
In winter it’s about $10 a month in summer it’s roughly double , only wish I’d put them on sooner and received that subsidy around 70 cents for all you put back in the grid until 2024 .
Yeah indications are that from the alt.energy community is that as power prices go higher, the alt.tech ( specifically hydrogen ) jumps forward faster….so ironically, it will be the greed and stupidity of the powers that be that will hack their legs out of under them.
Well may PM Turnbull put PVs on his roof and batteries on his wall but all that demonstrates is his appalling judgement – in this case financial.
Even with the subsidy he’s sucked from those who can least afford it, he’ll never turn a profit on his outlay.
Just like his management of the Australian economy really.
He’d have been better advised to put his money into a blue-chip fully-franked share portfolio yielding around 5% pa. At the end of 20 years (the life of his PVs) or 10 years (the life of his battery) he’d still have his capital, plus its appreciation, plus 10 and then 20 years of dividend stream.
No wonder Australia’s going backwards and is $725 billion in the red.
Budget 2017: 10-year debt surge to put nation $725bn in the red
“Federal government debt will rise by 48 per cent over the next decade to $725 billion, despite the planned return to budget surplus from 2020-21.
Scott Morrison has given notice he will raise the commonwealth’s debt ceiling from $500bn to $600bn, with the current threshold due to be breached in a matter of weeks.
Treasury’s borrowing agency, the Australian Office of Financial Management, said yesterday that it would be raising $1.4bn a week from new bond issues over the remainder of the current financial year and into 2017-18. Debt already stands at $490bn.
A further increase in the debt ceiling will be needed by 2019-20, when Treasury expects gross debt will reach $606bn.
The decision to keep the Future Fund intact and instead continue borrowing to fund public sector superannuation payments beyond 2020-21 is the biggest factor pushing the debt higher by $77bn since the December budget update.”
When he left his Prime Ministerial office in January 1966 Sir Robert and Dame Patty Menzies did not own a house to which they could retire. Good and generous friends ensured that they were not homeless. So much for the wonders of change. Subsequent rich prime ministers have brought the cancer of RET to us. It’s quite a legacy—and likely irreversible.
I’m sorry—sort of—that I shan’t live long enough to see the outcome. But it’s a question of trust, especially on the part of investors. Even if a government came along that had public support for coal-fired generation of electricity, an unlikely event now but imagine, what is likely three or even perhaps fewer years later? Not trust possible: ergo, irreversible.
I can’t access the Spectator article, but it appears to be written by Jennifer Marohasy, as I can see the “Jennifer” pat of the attribution:
21 Aug: Jennifer Marohasy: Most of the Recent Warming Could be Natural
AFTER deconstructing 2,000-year old proxy-temperature series back to their most basic components, and then rebuilding them using the latest big data techniques, John Abbot and I show what global temperatures might have done in the absence of an industrial revolution. The results from this novel technique, just published in GeoResJ [1], accord with climate sensitivity estimates from experimental spectroscopy but are at odds with output from General Circulation Models…
For example, there are multiple lines of evidence indicating it was about a degree warmer across western Europe during a period known as the Medieval Warm Period (MWP). Indeed, there are oodles of published technical papers based on proxy records that provide a relatively warm temperature profile for this period [7], corresponding with the building of cathedrals across England, and before the Little Ice Age when it was too cold for the inhabitation of Greenland…READ ALL http://jennifermarohasy.com/2017/08/recent-warming-natural/
22 Aug: ClimateDepot: Marc Morano: Pre-Determined ‘Science’: The Chair of the federal climate board disbanded by Trump was a World Wildlife Fund activist
The former chair of the Advisory Committee for the Sustained National Climate Assessment, set up by Obama in 2015, is now being disbanded by President Trump. The ex-chair, Richard Moss, is a WWF implant and has been in the climate debate for many years. “Moss is or was Vice President and Managing Director for Climate Change at the World Wildlife Fund.”…
By way of examples from history – USA Senator McCarthy always advocated stopping communists from holding positions of power within any govt, for good reason.
Now, when you see the climate fiasco, you can understand the damage a few committed-to-the-cause zealots can do for any cause if in positions of influence….
ps. The “violent” ending may be used by the pc brigade to criticise this movie. An ending where Mr T pulls down a poster advertising CAGW might have been more appropriate but hell, the violence done to our society by the perpetrators of this myth is extraordinary and hard to quantify.
I let rip at the dinner table this evening, full blast. Enjoyed every moment of the song and thanking Jo with every strum of the chords for bringing it to my attention. At the end, my patient wife looked over and exclaimed, “What the hell was that?” (She’s S.Korean). No explanations necessary.
Just gave me another opportunity to replay it.
My wife was South Vietnamese so preferred songs she heard in her youth like Bessame mucho in French. I like Leonard Cohen but it’s so dramatic once a year is enough.
I’ve looked and looked but can’t find any mad scientist claiming the eclipse was caused by CAGW, and has the presstitutes gone soft on Trump because no one accused him of making the sky go black yesterday !
I have kool-ade drinking friends on FB who have shared posts of well known alarmists saying that the science that predicted the eclipse is the same science that predicted AGW so therefore we should all be sheep and become true believers.
William….
Perhaps remind them gently that the scientific disciplines of astrophysicists, astronomers and real scientists were the disciplines that established the timing of the eclipse and more recently put men on the Moon, the rovers on Mars, Cassini Huygens at Saturn and so on.
The kool-ade, frappe drinking Conversationalists have a penchant for scientivists, slacktivitists, climatists, and precautionary, post-modern, model centred, consensual atmospheric ideologues. For so many it’s too easy to confuse that Green blancmange with what they imagine is real science. But in truth it’s probably that they are not that interested or affected yet?
Why gently? Enuff is enuff. Hyper- apostro-phate!
Fergit Nanny-State-constraints, lefties do their street parades
and Q n A comment-interuptus-controls on free speech, goferit!
The kool-ade, frappe -drinking -Conversationalists –have -a -penchant
-for-scientivists-slacktivitists-climatists, and precautionary- post-
modern- model-centred- consensual-atmospheric-ideologues. For so many
it’s too easy to confuse that Green-blanc-mange with what they imagine
is *real* science. But in truth it’s probably that they are not that
interested or affected yet?
maybe someone will create a youtube song for Jay Westherill, who knows where to go for a really, really, positive spin:
22 Aug: Guardian: Katharine Murphy: Jay Weatherill renews warning Labor states could go it alone on energy policy
South Australian premier signals possible collaboration on alternative to clean energy target, and urges Turnbull to face down rightwing pressure
Podcast: 28mins44secs: ‘They’re insatiable’ – Jay Weatherill on his clash with the Coalition
South Australia has long championed an emissions intensity trading scheme for the electricity sector – a form of carbon trading – but Weatherill fell into line behind Finkel’s clean energy target after the report was published in an effort to achieve national consensus.
“For the sake of argument we were prepared to compromise and move away from the emissions intensity scheme to get the clean energy target,” the premier said…
But Weatherill said he was concerned the Turnbull government was now intent on watering down the Finkel mechanism to include “clean” coal in the mix, which made him less wedded to the clean energy target proposal.
The premier said it was important for the prime minister to stare down the current internal pressure to include coal in the clean energy target, because if Turnbull ceded ground on that point, it would be the first of many concessions.
“What the prime minister needs to understand is this: you can’t do business with these people,” the premier said.
“If you move away from an emissions intensity scheme to a clean energy target then they’ll want to change that to allow coal in. If you gave them that, the next question would be tear up Paris, and if [he] tore up Paris then they’d ask him to call a press conference and deny that he believes in climate change – they are insatiable.
“There is no benefit for the prime minister in trying to placate his right wing, because they are incapable of being placated.
“So what we need to do is just get on with the business of putting in the right energy policy.”…
“On any view of it, this next state election is going to be seen as a referendum on renewable energy, because the prime minister has conditioned the South Australian experience as being idiocy and ideology and a dangerous experiment,” the premier said.
“If we were to fail in the election it would be seen as a referendum and a cross against renewable energy.”
Weatherill said Australia’s renewable energy industry was acutely conscious that the political contest in the SA state election was high-stakes.
“I think a lot of people in the renewable energy sector, and people more generally who want to promote policies tackling climate change, understand that. We think that will be an important fulcrum in the state election.”…
Weatherill was asked whether, given the acute political sensitivity about high power prices, he felt he could prevail if the election was a referendum on the future of low-emissions energy. “Yes, absolutely, because people believe renewable energy is the future.
“They also believe, in the long term, renewables put downward pressure on prices and I think they’ve seen the early evidence of that.” https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/22/jay-weatherill-renews-warning-labor-states-could-go-it-alone-on-energy-policy
The SA Premier gets more delusional every time he opens his mouth. I challenge him to show a renewable energy project that produces 24/7 power at 50hz that is cheaper than a coal fired power station particularly the latest technology.
“On any view of it, this next state election is going to be seen as a referendum on renewable energy…..
Oh no it’s not.
It’s easy for the Premier to go it alone. Just shut down all his State’s CO2 emitting power plants, and hey, if he wants to, he can even blow ’em up for good measure, and he could then turn off the tap to Victoria’s brown coal fired power.
The current actual consumption for South Australia is 1434MW.
CO2 emitting sources actually supplying that Demand – 1131MW
The tap to Victoria’s brown coal – 63MW
Wind Power – 240MW (16.7%)
Without that CO2 emitting supply, the Premier would not have the electrical power to stand in front of the camera and make this announcement, because if those renewables were all he had, his State would be black.
South Australia’s election based on renewables ….. “Hey look over there, what a cute little Koala.”
When I was posted back to Forest Hill to teach the electrical trade to new guys in the RAAF, it was 1986.
Okay, I did all that theory back in the late 60s, and while it was ‘in there’, it’s a complete other thing to actually teach it.
Although the principle between electric generators and electric motors is similar, in that they look similar, the electrical process is different. (cue Fleming’s Left Hand Rule and Right Hand Rule)
With generators, the electromagnets in the (the mechanically driven) rotor induce a current in the stator windings, hence the generation of electricity.
With an electrical motor, a current is applied to the stator windings creating a magnetic field in the Stator, and that field then reacts with the magnetic field in the rotor magnets, causing that rotor to revolve.
The process for Maglev is similar to that electric motor theory. (well sort of)
Now, instead of it being housed in a round(ish) ‘thing’ which looks similar to a generator, the process is laid out along a flat plane and extended ad infinitum, and the reaction between magnetic fields is what drives the ‘train’ forward.
Okay, I said all that to say all this.
The process for Maglev is a horrendously huge consumer of electricity, and as you may imagine that electricity HAS to be there ALL the time. (think of a Maglev at 603KPH and the electricity goes away)
The idea that we can have a VFT, be it Maglev or another method, and the move to renewable power are inconsistent one to the other.
Introduce a Maglev, and here, think of at least ten years, and we will need more constantly capable and reliable power generation, not less, huge power generation that can reliably drive this technology.
See how anything to do with electrical power is just that tad more than the proverbial ‘hole in the wall’ with its switch, eh!
Back in ’86 on for me, we had a theoretical video of 40 minutes or so on Maglev, explaining the theory of electrical motors mainly, and it was one of the few videos that students would not fall asleep during the running, while it played.
Yes, then it crashes, explodes and disintegrates. What is called a controlled stop. If you are afraid of flying, do not get on a train which does 500km/hr and drops on the rails.
These mad trains! The faster they go, the more energy they use. Even planes are flying slower in Australia to save fuel, two engines instead of 3 or 4 but the trains want to go faster? Worse, they take longer to get there and much longer to slow down, so they cannot afford to stop to pick people up, or it doesn’t make sense. The average speed quickly halves.
A train which did 180km/hr or even 160km/hr is cheap, fast and can afford to stop. Even the Queen Mary cruises at 60km/hr, but not our trains. This very fast train is economic nonsense, practical nonsense, dangerous, vastly expensive and solves nothing. They would have to go slowly into big cities, not 350km/hr, which kills all the notional advantage. Then the maintenance and the danger to every community in the path.
Japan has 5x our population in a country the size of Victoria. It nearly makes sense for their short trips. China too with cities of up to 40 million people and relatively short distances.
They cannot make money and pay for themselves without charging aircraft prices and then why not fly? You do not need rails. Forget level crossings. The last time it was proposed, they had a notional cost of $400million to check the ecology along a the route, which is $500,000 per km to look for frogs.
Only our Faux prime minister would come up with this, more Green than the Greens. It has never made any sort of sense for Australia.
Parliament must be prorogued. There must be six Labor members who are sitting illegally. As many Coalition. Add a one seat majority and at least Joyce thrown out of his seat. We will have a Very Fast election before Christmas.
So this is another illogical Green fantasy, suitable only as a National boast, like Concorde.
Australia’s population growth will determine that fast rail to the rural and regional areas is the only way to alleviate pressure in the cities.
Japanese Magalev, Australian steel and Chinese construction workers to lay down the track, built with monies borrowed from the China Infrastructure Bank.
The bullet trains will travel 24/7 and never be empty, due mainly to the flood of tourists.
OK, fine. Let them disconnect from the other states and see how long it takes for their state to completely collapse. Then deny them any power and watch people pour out of SA……
Sometimes with the little kiddies, you have to let behaviour play out so there are naturtal consequences for their silly choices….
doesn’t Weatherill read anything outside of the CAGW-infested Guardian/Fairfax/ABC media?
21 Aug: WaPo: Bloomberg: Total Chases Growth With $5 Billion Purchase of Maersk Oil
by Geraldine Amiel and Christian Wienberg, with assistance from Marie Mawad Rakteem Katakey Javier Blas and Angelina Rascouet
Total’s Chief Executive Officer Patrick Pouyanne is following through on a hint last month that he was ready and willing to make acquisitions to grow production, taking advantage of a plunge in company valuations, the cost of drilling and other equipment during the three-year industry downturn. The Maersk assets will boost the French giant’s business in the North Sea, adding to deals earlier this year that expanded its presence in Uganda and Brazil…
The deal ranks among the largest that a super-major has done since oil prices crashed in 2014. Royal Dutch Shell Plc agreed to buy BG Group Plc for $52 billion in 2015 and has been reaping the benefits since the transaction closed the following year. In January, Exxon Mobil Corp. agreed to pay $5.6 billion in shares, plus a series of contingent cash payments totaling as much as $1 billion, for drilling rights in the Permian shale region of Texas…
The combination with Maersk Oil gives Total about 1 billion barrels of oil equivalent of proven and probable reserves, about 80 percent of which are in the North Sea, according to the statement. It will add output of about 160,000 barrels a day of oil equivalent to the French group next year, rising to 200,000 a day by 2020…
Total will issue to Maersk 97.5 million shares, representing 3.75 percent of its enlarged share capital. That will make the Danish company the second-largest investor in the French giant, according to data compiled by Bloomberg…
Morgan Stanley advised Maersk and Lambert Energy Advisers worked with Total. http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-OV0UE36JTSE801-01LB6FCBLSH6QFRRCRCFOJO6JL
Total Buys Maersk Oil With Good Sense Of Timing
Forbes-21 Aug. 2017
French energy giant Total to buy Maersk Oil for $7.45bn
EnergyLiveNews 22 Aug 2017
The agreement will make Total the second largest operator in the North Sea and is the largest takeover in the region for a decade…
no hype here! 240,000 towers and Greenwish aims to reach 3,000 of them by 2018! by which time there will probably be more than 240,000 towers.
never mind, it’s a heart-warming CAGW story about “leap-frogging” Africa and the money isn’t coming out of ex-Morgan Stanley woman’s pocket anyway:
21 Aug: Bloomberg: The Plan to Turn Africa’s Mobile Phone Towers Green
By Anna Hirtenstein With assistance by Solape Renner
GreenWish Partners, a renewable energy company run by a former Morgan Stanley executive, is planning to invest $800 million on solar-powered telecommunications towers across Africa.
The project could fuel economic growth by providing power for essential services. Sub-Saharan Africa has the lowest rates of energy access in the world and is home to about half of the world’s 1.2 billion people without reliable electricity, according to the International Energy Agency…
“We reduce the total cost of power by 30 percent,” said Charlotte Aubin-Kalaidjian, the founder and chief executive officer of GreenWish, who was formerly a managing director at Morgan Stanley Investment Management. “Smaller towers can run entirely on solar and battery and larger ones reduce their diesel use by at least 60 percent.”
Africa has more than 240,000 telecom towers, which convey signals to and from mobile phones. Most of them are powered by diesel generators because they’re often attached to unreliable grids or in remote areas without power network access. The hybrid systems developed by GreenWish combine a solar panel, a battery and a diesel generator to provide complete off-grid reliability…
Africa’s telecom industry has exploded in recent years, leapfrogging traditional fixed-line infrastructure and moving straight into mobile phones and Internet services…
Mauritius-based Greenwish has partnered with Orange SA and will begin with 250 towers in the Democratic Republic of Congo this year. It’s aiming to reach 3,000 towers across several countries by 2018 and 10,000 by 2020, Aubin-Kalaidjian said…
“Given cost of solar has been declining rapidly and energy costs for off-grid towers are high, tower owners are incentivized to switch to hybrid systems,” said Takehiro Kawahara, frontier power analyst at Bloomberg New Energy Finance. “Africa has potential remaining to increase mobile subscriptions while most other markets are reaching saturation, but energy costs can be significant in rural areas.”…
continuing with the comedy: Xie Zhenhua has already prevented CAGW & ensured a sustainable future worldwide. nothing more to be done then?
22 Aug: SouthChinaMorningPost: Louise Moon: China’s top climate change negotiator Xie Zhenhua to receive HK$20 million Hong Kong prize
Xie Zhenhua, China’s chief negotiator at the Paris Agreement, will receive the Lui Che Woo Prize for his efforts to tackle global climate change
“We honour his achievements in preventing climate change and thus ensuring a sustainable future not only in China but also globally”, said prize recommendation committee chairman Professor Lawrence Lau Juen-yee…
The prize, set up by property tycoon and casino owner ***Lui Chee-woo in 2015, honours individuals or organisations with outstanding achievements in three categories – sustainable development of the world, betterment of the welfare of mankind and promotion of positive life attitude each year…
Professor Lau said Xie has led China in energy conservation, pollutant emission reduction and land use since 1993, when he became head of the mainland’s environmental protection agency.
In November 2016, Xie openly criticised US president Donald Trump for backing out of the Paris global climate change pact.
“No matter leaders from which country, they need to be in line with global development trends. People would not support their leader when he goes against the trend. Country’s progress would be affected as a result,” said Xie, when answering a reporter’s question on Trump policy on global warming last year.
***Wikipedia: Lui Che-woo
Lui Che Woo, GBM, MBE, JP is a member of the Standing Committee of the ***Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, Jiangmen, People’s Republic of China and is a Hong Kong gambling magnate, founder and chairman of listed firms Galaxy Entertainment Group and K. Wah International Holdings Ltd. In January 2014, he was reported to be worth US$21 billion and ranked the second richest man in Hong Kong…
Today, K. Wah has developed into a multi-national conglomerate involving gambling, property, entertainment & leisure, construction materials and hospitality, with over 200 subsidiaries and more than 33,000 employees in Hong Kong, mainland China, Macau, North America and South-East Asia.
To mark K. Wah Group’s 60th anniversary in 2015, Dr Lui established the LUI Che Woo Prize – Prize for World Civilisation in Hong Kong…
***Wikipedia: Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference
In practice, the largest and dominant party in the Conference is the Communist Party of China, which has about two thirds of the seats…
the recipient ***Xie Zhenhua, before his reincarnation as climate change negotiator:
2006: BBC: Chinese chemical threat to rivers
More than 100 chemical plants beside China’s rivers pose safety threats, the country’s environment chief has warned.
Zhou Shengxian said the plants were surveyed after a chemical spill in November poisoned the water supply for millions of people in the north-east…
One hundred tonnes of the carcinogens benzene and nitrobenzene were dumped into the Songhua after an explosion on 13 November at a PetroChina chemical factory in the north-eastern province of Jilin.
The chemicals moved hundreds of kilometres downstream, forcing water supplies to be cut in the town of Harbin, leaving some of its 3.8m people without water for five days.
Mr Zhou’s predecessor as head of the State Environment Protection Administration, ***Xie Zhenhua, resigned soon after the leak, and criticism of the government’s response.
Looters cannot move past the fact that nuclear power was first harnessed to fry belligerent socialism in 1945. In the 1980s I was constantly approached by terror-stricken persons innocent of physics assuring me that any and all nuclear energy was about to wipe out humanity. The most constructive rejoinder to these prophesies is “how did you find out?” About halfway through reciting that they’d had it dinned in their faces from government-licensed telescreen broadcasts thousands of times, they would realize how stupid the assertion must sound to someone who does not seek scientific data from Sesame Street or 60 Minutes. Questions like “how?” and “why?” short-circuit brainwashing and behavioral conditioning by exposing it to explicit scrutiny.
THE AUSTRALIAN BELIEFS AND ATTITUDES TOWARDS SCIENCE SURVEY
AUGUST 2017
Australian National Centre for Public Awareness of Science
> Eighty per cent believe there is solid evidence the world has been warming the last few decades, with more than half of these people saying this is because of human activity
(The US equivalent is 46%).
Hmmm….Australians generally dont seem to be deep thinkers….or only watch tv programs at 6:30pm on commercial tv which are academically the shallow end of the pool…
Even Australia’s leading ‘progressive’ thinker Robert Manne disagrees with ANCfPAoS:
“There are two kinds of political people in today’s world: a minority who believe that climate change is the most consequential problem humans now face or have ever faced, and a majority for whom, for one reason or another, the penny has not dropped.
Therein lies the problem. The intentional conflation of ‘science’ with the ideology of ‘globull warming’.
BELIEFS AND ATTITUDES TOWARDS SCIENCE ≠ Eighty per cent believe….blah blah …warming .. blah blah…. human activity.
Great at communication and media skills for science grads. Sadly not strong with logic, reasoning or the scientific method, and some graduates were (like I was) good at promoting climate agitprop without knowing how to assess or check it. Some graduates are sadly prone to namecalling “denier” on The Conversation. Ad hom is not something we were taught to recognise.
E.G. Grant, Will J and Rod Lamberts 2014. ‘Twelve ways to deal with a climate change denier – the BBQ guide’ The Conversation 22 Dec 2014.
smoking chimney illustration tells us everything about SciAm & the writer’s politics!
asking Kahan & Cook to comment tells us even more:
22 Aug: ScientificAmerican: E&ENews: People Furthest Apart on Climate Views Are Often the Most Educated
For attitudes on global warming, political identity is a more important signal than academic acumen or scientific literacy
by Umair Irfan
Looking at a nationally representative survey of views on stem cell research, the Big Bang, human evolution, nanotechnology, genetically modified views and climate change, researchers at Carnegie Mellon University found that respondents with the most education and the highest scores on scientific literacy tests had the most polarized beliefs.
On climate change, the researchers found that political identity was a more important signal of where respondents stood than their academic acumen or scientific sophistication.
“Conservatives with higher scores display less concern about climate change, while liberals with higher scores display more concern,” the authors wrote. “These patterns suggest that scientific knowledge may facilitate defending positions motivated by nonscientific concerns.”
This is a manifestation of what researchers call motivated reasoning: a phenomenon where people evaluate facts and figures with a goal in mind, often signaling allegiance to a political group…
“What you believe about climate change is more an indicator of whose side you’re on,” said Dan Kahan, a professor of law and a professor of psychology at Yale Law School who was not involved in the study…
21 Aug: CarnegieMellonUni: Polarization for Controversial Scientific Issues Increases With More Education
PHOTO: SNOW SCENE
“A lot of science is generally accepted and trusted, but certain topics have become deeply polarizing. We wanted to find out what factors are related to this polarization, and it turns out the ‘deficit model’- which says the divisions are due to a lack of education or understanding — does not tell the whole story,” said Caitlin Drummond, the lead author who recently received her Ph.D. in behavioral decision research from CMU’s Department of Social and Decision Sciences and will be a postdoctoral research fellow at the Erb Institute at the University of Michigan this fall.
Published in the Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences (PNAS), Drummond and CMU’s Baruch Fischhoff used data from the nationally representative General Social Survey…
“These are troubling correlations. We can only speculate about the underlying causes,” said Fischhoff, the Howard Heinz University Professor in the Institute for Politics and Strategy and the Department of Engineering and Public Policy. “One possibility is that people with more education are more likely to know what they are supposed to say, on these polarized issues, in order to express their identity. Another possibility is that they have more confidence in their ability to argue their case.” …
CMU links to the PNAS study, whose Abstract begins:
PNAS: Individuals with greater science literacy and education have more polarized beliefs on controversial science topics
Abstract
Although Americans generally hold science in high regard and respect its findings, for some contested issues, such as the existence of anthropogenic climate change, public opinion is polarized along religious and political lines…
OT. Victoriastan’s glorious leader was just spruiking the solar powered trams and new renewables push for 25% renewable by 2020 adding that it will reduce electricity bills by a massive $30 a year.
can’t see surfies in Sydney heading to Qld in one of these:
21 Aug: BBC: VW to relaunch Kombi van as electric vehicle
By Rebecca Marston
The last classic VW Kombi, or VW T2, was produced in Brazil in 2013 after safety standards there became too onerous for further adaptation.
Its new microbus made its debut in January. VW says it was inundated with requests to “please build this car”…
VW said the electric van, known as the ID Buzz, will be aimed at customers in North America, Europe and China. There will also be a cargo version of the van.
The Kombi, or Bulli, as it was known in Germany, first went into production in 1950.
Although it was originally simply designed as a jack-of-all-trades van, it is most associated with hippies and camping…
COMMENTS (some laughs):
Why do they need to redesign it? Just reproduce the original and put an electric engine in, can’t be that difficult can it?…
Knowing VW it be the first electric vehicle to produce smog and fumes, not buying VW…
Bless – a new van with rounder edges, softer colours that the weekend lefties think will help the environment…
This thing will be capable of 1000 miles on a 2 minute charge, that’s of course until cheating VW get caught telling LIES again… http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40998128
OT, your ABC claims there was swastika’s spray painted near a Jewish church so we got the whole racist story which then morphed into the protests in the USA.
Only problem what was painted was the Hindu symbol for evolution. Just goes to show how dumb we are as a nation.
If you can ignore the tin foil hat commentary, the first few minutes shows something very powerful strike Jupiter. One can only guess at how much energy is displaced.
Now where were we? Oh yes that’s right SSM, SJW calamities and climate change,………
22 Aug: EnergyInDepth: Bombshell: Activists Admit #ExxonKnew Is About Attacking Free Speech
by Spencer Walrath
But late Tuesday night, Harvard history professor Naomi Oreskes and her colleague Geoffrey Supran published a report conceding that #ExxonKnew was never really about what Exxon “knew,” but instead was focused on punishing the company for arguing against specific climate policy proposals…
The Oreskes report helps explain why U.S. Virgin Islands Attorney General Claude Walker subpoenaed the Competitive Enterprise Institute and other free market groups in addition to ExxonMobil. It explains why New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has changed the justification for his investigation of ExxonMobil three times, but has always remained focused on a company whose position doesn’t quite mesh with his own.
19 Aug: Daily Caller: Chris White: EXCLUSIVE: Anti-Trump AG Raked In Campaign Donations From An Oil Tycoon With Ties To Putin
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has accepted more than $60,000 in small donations from Leonard Blavatnik, a Ukrainian-born energy billionaire with ties to Russian oligarchs, according to a Daily Caller News Foundation examination of the Democrat’s financial disclosure reports…
22 Aug: EnergyInDepth: Bombshell: Activists Admit #ExxonKnew Is About Attacking Free Speech
by Spencer Walrath
But late Tuesday night, Harvard history professor Naomi Oreskes and her colleague Geoffrey Supran published a report conceding that #ExxonKnew was never really about what Exxon “knew…
23 Aug: Bloomberg: Energy Transfer Suit Claims Greenpeace Incites Eco-Terrorism
By Andrew M Harris and Tim Loh
“Under the ‘Greenpeace Model,’ raising money and the network’s profile is the primary objective, not saving the environment,” Energy Transfer said. “‘Issues’ are selected according to which ones will generate maximum publicity and donations, irrespective of the environmental merits.”…READ ON https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-22/energy-transfer-sues-greenpeace-claims-it-incites-eco-terrorism
two comments now in moderation. followup to second one:
22 Aug: PR Newswire: Energy Transfer Equity L.P.: Energy Transfer Files Federal Lawsuit Against Greenpeace International, Greenpeace Inc., Greenpeace Fund, Inc., BankTrack And Earth First! For Violation Of Federal And State Racketeering Statutes
Energy Transfer Equity, L.P. (NYSE: ETE) and Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. (NYSE: ETP) today filed a federal lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of North Dakota against Greenpeace International, Greenpeace Inc., Greenpeace Fund, Inc., BankTrack, Earth First!, and other organizations and individuals. The Complaint, which is Index number 1:17-cv-00173, alleges that this group of co-conspirators (the “Enterprise”) manufactured and disseminated materially false and misleading information about Energy Transfer and the Dakota Access Pipeline (“DAPL”) for the purpose of fraudulently inducing donations, interfering with pipeline construction activities and damaging Energy Transfer’s critical business and financial relationships.
23 Aug: Reuters: Australian state looks to lock in renewable energy target
Australia’s second most populous state has proposed passing laws to lock in a renewable power target of 40 percent by 2025, looking to spur investment in solar and wind farms even as the national government wrangles over energy policy beyond 2020.
Victoria state Premier Daniel Andrews will introduce legislation to the state parliament this week to cement renewable energy targets, including 25 percent by 2020.
The eastern state, with a population of 6.24 million, suffered a sharp jump in wholesale electricity prices earlier this year after one of its largest coal-fired power plants closed.
The 1,600 megawatt Hazelwood plant had provided a quarter of Victoria’s power supply, and its closure has raised demand for gas-fired power at a time when east coast gas supply has been strained, fueling rises in gas and power prices…
Victoria, a Labor-controlled state, will hold renewable energy auctions in which companies will bid to supply the market, the first of which is for 650 megawatts, which the government said it hopes will bring up to A$1.3 billion ($1 billion) worth of investment into the sector…
However, big energy users and major power producers cautioned against a state-by-state approach to setting renewable energy targets, following the Victorian government’s announcement.
“We desperately need a coordinated national approach and we are not sure this latest initiative helps achieve that goal,” Energy Users Association of Australia Chief Executive Andrew Richards said in a statement on Wednesday.
The Victorian government also announced two firms had won tenders to build solar farms to power Melbourne’s tram network.
Foresight Solar Australia, part of the Britain-based private equity fund Foresight Group, will provide 100 megawatts at Bannerton Solar Park…
Privately-owned French renewable energy firm Neoen will produce 38 megawatts at Numurkah Solar Farm. Australia is Neoen’s second-biggest market behind France. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-renewables-idUSKCN1B308I
wind in trouble – never mind, Aussie politicians will probably come to their rescue!
23 Aug: Reuters: Christoph Steitz: Wind turbine tie-ups under pressure as sector awaits more deals
FRANKFURT (Reuters) – A sell-off in shares of recently merged wind turbine makers highlights the growing speed at which competition in the sector is heating up, raising expectations for more deals in the quest for scale.
In the latest sign of the squeeze, Siemens Gamesa (SGREN.MC) last week said it would cut 600 staff, less than a month after it revealed third-quarter operating profit had dwindled by a fifth, partly due to India’s shift to auctions from guaranteed tariffs.
The wind power industry, growing steadily but still largely reliant on state support, has witnessed a number of large M&A deals in recent years that were triggered by a steep drop in turbine prices, down a quarter since 2010.
General Electric (GE.N) beefed up its wind business with the takeover of France’s Alstom, Germany’s Nordex (NDXG.DE) snapped up the turbine unit of Spain’s Acciona (ANA.MC) and Siemens (SIEGn.DE) merged its wind division with rival Gamesa.
The latter created the world’s No.2 player, with a combined market share of 14 percent last year, still behind Danish sector leader Vestas (VWS.CO) but overtaking GE, according to consultancy MAKE. Nordex ranks sixth.
Followed by the usual mix of job cuts and the replacement of top management, these deals come at a time the industry is moving towards an auction-based system that favors those who can bid at the lowest price, not those busy with integration…
Thomas Deser, senior portfolio manager, Union Investment, a shareholder of Siemens Gamesa: “The introduction of auctions has led to a significant price erosion that has triggered concerns about margins.”…
Significant share price declines also suggest that the deals were too expensive. Since the transactions were publicly announced in October 2015 and June 2016, respectively, Siemens Gamesa’s stock has declined by about a quarter, while Nordex’s has more than halved…
Before the advent of auctions, wind farm developers could rely on feed-in tariffs that were guaranteed by law for as much as two decades, which critics say prevented the industry from becoming cost-competitive more quickly…
Nordex, which suffered a major loss of investor confidence earlier this year after slashing its mid-term outlook, has also flagged further job cuts, saying business in Europe contracted sharply in the first half of 2017… https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-windpower-m-a-idUSKCN1B21QF
22 Aug: ChathamDailyNewsOntario: McNaughton says water well issues must be confronted
By Trevor Terfloth
Lambton-Kent-Middlesex MPP Monte McNaughton (Progressive Conservative) is throwing his support behind a council motion asking the province to halt wind turbine construction until water well issues are investigated.
Chatham-Kent council passed the motion, entered by Wallaceburg Coun. Jeff Wesley, on Monday.
Five water wells in the North Kent Wind project area, currently under construction by Samsung Renewable Energy and Pattern Energy, have been clogged with sediments shortly after recent pile-driving took place for constructing industrial wind turbines…
Concerns have been raised about the potential danger if the sediments are from the Kettle Point black shale bedrock formation in the area, known to contain heavy metals such as arsenic, uranium and lead…
When contacted by The Daily News on Tuesday about council’s motion, the ministry stated: “We have taken a cautious, science-based approach when setting standards for renewable energy projects to protect the people of Ontario. In response to concerns raised by area residents, the ministry imposed a number of conditions in the Renewable Energy Approval for this project. We recognize the concerns raised and we are committed to working with the municipality on this matter.”
Pattern Energy released a statement saying it takes the issue seriously and is working with residents.
“We are committed to working with the community as construction progresses on the project. We understand the importance of having access to a clean water supply for families,” the statement read…
McNaughton said water is a basic necessity that residents have a right to, noting he’s seen the problems first-hand.
“These families must be protected,” he said. “It’s just common sense.
“I demand, with the municipality, to halt this project until the due diligence takes place.”
The MPP added that he doesn’t believe the province should continue building more wind projects, citing the high cost of power.
“In my opinion, we continue to produce way more energy than Ontario needs,” he said. “They should stop signing these contracts. … But this (North Kent) one needs immediate attention.” http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/2017/08/22/mcnaughton-says-water-well-issues-must-be-confronted
Hilarious! This is exactly what is needed: well deserved ridicule of fake science.
I do hope the singer is not Arkancided, though; opponents of the Clinton and Obama regimes have been offed for less.
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Beautiful! Shades of Stu of NT.
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I wonder what Rodney Rude would make of it?
Now that would be interesting….hes actually quite an intelligent guy, I heard him interviewed.
( I actually dont like his material at all, but boy he can stick the knife in accurately…a bit liek the yobbo version of mocking the hipsters and their smashed avvo…..)
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Or Kevin B Wilson?
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The alarmist have now polarised themselves into a belief system .
No amount of rational and scientific discussions or arguments will mow change their minds.
Evidence means nothing to them.
Since they now operate at this emotional/irrational level, means the best form of attack is now satire and ridicule.
We just need to laugh at them.
Lets turn the tables and call them Climate Deniers
They deny that the climate change has always occurred naturally
They deny that there was an ice age 13000 years ago when the temps were much lower, the sea levels 65 meters lower and there was 1 km of ice over where new York now stands.
They deny that CO2 is not a pollutant and there are significant benefits from an increase to the ecology of the planet from increased plant food
They deny that cutting CO2 emissions will have no measurable impact to temp.
They deny that the cost of reducing CO2 and supporting windmills and solar power through subsidies will destroy western economies and directly benefit China India Japan ,etc
Basically they are the New Age Creationists
To them the earth was created perfect pre 1950’s and use of fossil fuels since then is now equivalent to eating the apple in the garden of Eden.
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As sung by Michael Mann.
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Link to proof
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As mimed by Michael Mann.
Any resemblance between the actors and Barack Obama, Al Gore, Donald Trump and Peter Griffin’s chicken was intentional.
No chickens were harmed in the miming of this video.
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Going by the comb I’d say its a rooster or cock, joined by two nuts…….
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Cue the sad trombone: https://www.sadtrombone.com
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Thank-you Joanne that’s just made my day.
Two birds with one stone, that awful dirge ‘Hallelujah’ given a reality check with a humorous make-over.
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A Trumphiant video!
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Great new video, some of their other older videos are excellent too.
http://m4gw.com/
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Their older vids are mostly even better. Here in the US Trump is a stopped clock, right once in a long while. He’s definitely no Eisenhower. But, I’m probably prejudiced since I followed the situation at Balmedie, Scotland. He would have called the ranch I grew up on a “slum” much the same as the homes of some of those Scots.
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When people need to be reminded of extreme weather in the 1930s. This slide show with music from Woody Guthrie gets it through. https://youtu.be/vXqflrkJiO4
When the “children will not know what snow is anymore predictions come. These.
Attack of La Nina Trailer https://youtu.be/0xV_N5nLEs0
and
Snowmageddon https://youtu.be/6sdfuq1459I
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It’s probably just me then, but when you said “Hallelujah” I was thinking of something more like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-uvyL-sAHY
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I’ve been censored? moderated? or had my emojis cut off?
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“or had my emojis cut off?”
Not TOO painful, I hope !!
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Observing the climate change, Australia:
First Fleet insight on climate changes.
1787: ”There were patches of snow on Tasmania in the height of summer, which is a fairly unusual thing to see.” – Joelle Gergis of the University of Melbourne.
http://www.theage.com.au/environment/weather/first-fleet-insight-on-climate-changes-20100930-15zd9.html
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2015: Summer snow delighting Tasmanians and visitors
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-12-12/summer-snow-delighting-tasmanians/7023258
2016: Snow surprise for Tasmanians after a summer of weather extremes
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-02-16/snow-surprise-for-tasmanians-after-a-summer-of-weather-extremes/7170776
2017: Snow falls in Tasmania as nation swelters
http://www.theadvocate.com.au/story/4461986/snow-falls-in-tasmania-as-nation-swelters/
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Mark do you have a link showing 19th and 20th century summer snow in Tasmania?
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I don’t have the links any more but in the earlier 2000’s there was snow on Christmas Day in the Victorian High Country. I saw photographs of it in The Age online (was living in England at the time). Some wag had scrawled something like ‘Merry Xmas’ in the snow on a 4WD windscreen and it happened in the middle of a bad lot of bushfires up there.
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We’ve been walking in Pretty Valley (Falls Creek) a week before Christmas and had a blizzard…this might have been in 1991. I have the photographs!
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Thanks, it seems to be happening more often since the turn of the century and I reckon its a regional cooling signal, but need more data.
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I can add that I lived in Croydon, Victoria during the ’70s. One Christmas, in the second half of the decade, it snowed on Christmas Eve.
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And apropos snow at Christmas I can report that I have, just this minute, received my copy of “Climate Change – The Facts 2017“.
Page 117: Joanne Nova: “Mysterious Revisions to Australia’s Long Hot History“.
Looks like I’m going to be engrossed for many a night to come. Anti-social even!
Wonderful.
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Then there are much-loved small-scale solar panels that sit atop so many homes, including our own Prime Minister’s.
(I understand he has opted for the Rolls-Royce version, complete with a bank of batteries for backup.)
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/opinion/columnists/judith-sloan/minister-should-be-redfaced-over-green-schemes/news-story/c4f01cca3621ea9270b937f63ba99d5e
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Disclaimer: I’m not about to search for any drone photos of the PM’s house, lest I want ASIO knocking down my door but …
Q1: Does the PM’s solar panels face north, taking advantage of the rich subsidies, rather than ‘save the planet”:
Feb, 2017: “solar panels ‘next to useless’ at key times, expert says
An odd quirk of renewable energy in Australia is that the bulk of our rooftop solar panels are pointed in the wrong direction.
Given generous feed-in tariffs offered by states to kickstart the industry, it made sense for households to face panels northwards to maximise the photovoltaic generation they could export to the grid.
“At around 5pm, these panels are next to useless,” Paul McArdle, chief executive of energy software firm, Global-Roam, said.
If those panels were facing westwards, they would catch more of the summer sun and smooth more of the hump in household electricity demand that contributed to this week’s strains on power supplies in South Australia and NSW.
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/environment/climate-change/renewable-energy-most-solar-panels-next-to-useless-at-key-times-expert-says-20170207-gu7vxr.html
Q2. Consequently, does our PM accept some of the $14B of subsidy money paid by poor Australians who can’t afford the “rolls royce” of solar?
Feb, 2017: “He estimated it would increase power bills for non-solar households by $15.75 a year, and cited Grattan Institute research that in 2015 found Australians without solar panels had effectively paid $14 billion to subsidise those with them.”
Q3. Does PM Turnbull think sea level rise is a direct result of his solar system when renovating his private jetty and not relocating the jetty a 25m higher?
(2006, James Hanson, director of NASA’s Goddard Institute, is arguably the world authority on climate change. He predicts that we have just a decade to avert a 25-metre rise of the sea. Picture an eight-storey building by a beach, then imagine waves lapping its roof. That’s what a 25-metre rise in sea level looks like.)
Malcolm Turnbull spending $95,000 for a private jetty at his Point Piper mansion
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/malcolm-turnbull-spending-95000-for-a-private-jetty-at-his-point-piper-mansion/news-story/dcb7f3c058cfe0221ec0b5858cc4ded0
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@#$% (curses).
Missing link:
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/solar-tariff-for-victorian-households-with-panels-to-more-than-double-20170228-gun8q9.html
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Ours went from 8cents to 11 cents now I see some company’s are offering 14 cents but there’s always fine print , only apples to the first teaspoon full you put back into the grid after that you get zip .
In winter it’s about $10 a month in summer it’s roughly double , only wish I’d put them on sooner and received that subsidy around 70 cents for all you put back in the grid until 2024 .
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Yeah indications are that from the alt.energy community is that as power prices go higher, the alt.tech ( specifically hydrogen ) jumps forward faster….so ironically, it will be the greed and stupidity of the powers that be that will hack their legs out of under them.
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Well may PM Turnbull put PVs on his roof and batteries on his wall but all that demonstrates is his appalling judgement – in this case financial.
Even with the subsidy he’s sucked from those who can least afford it, he’ll never turn a profit on his outlay.
Just like his management of the Australian economy really.
He’d have been better advised to put his money into a blue-chip fully-franked share portfolio yielding around 5% pa. At the end of 20 years (the life of his PVs) or 10 years (the life of his battery) he’d still have his capital, plus its appreciation, plus 10 and then 20 years of dividend stream.
No wonder Australia’s going backwards and is $725 billion in the red.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/budget-2017/budget-2017-10year-debt-surge-to-put-nation-725bn-in-the-red/news-story/fc69238453aa794e30d171de897830c2
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OK. That link is paywalled.
Here’s what it said (in part – fair use OK?):
Budget 2017: 10-year debt surge to put nation $725bn in the red
“Federal government debt will rise by 48 per cent over the next decade to $725 billion, despite the planned return to budget surplus from 2020-21.
Scott Morrison has given notice he will raise the commonwealth’s debt ceiling from $500bn to $600bn, with the current threshold due to be breached in a matter of weeks.
Treasury’s borrowing agency, the Australian Office of Financial Management, said yesterday that it would be raising $1.4bn a week from new bond issues over the remainder of the current financial year and into 2017-18. Debt already stands at $490bn.
A further increase in the debt ceiling will be needed by 2019-20, when Treasury expects gross debt will reach $606bn.
The decision to keep the Future Fund intact and instead continue borrowing to fund public sector superannuation payments beyond 2020-21 is the biggest factor pushing the debt higher by $77bn since the December budget update.”
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Well the decade has ended so can we expect a 30cm. rise in sea levels EVERY year from now until 2100?
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When he left his Prime Ministerial office in January 1966 Sir Robert and Dame Patty Menzies did not own a house to which they could retire. Good and generous friends ensured that they were not homeless. So much for the wonders of change. Subsequent rich prime ministers have brought the cancer of RET to us. It’s quite a legacy—and likely irreversible.
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Nothing, but nothing is irreversible, particularly at the business end of a pitch-fork.
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I’m sorry—sort of—that I shan’t live long enough to see the outcome. But it’s a question of trust, especially on the part of investors. Even if a government came along that had public support for coal-fired generation of electricity, an unlikely event now but imagine, what is likely three or even perhaps fewer years later? Not trust possible: ergo, irreversible.
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In the subject area IMO
“NYT: We Should Trust Climate Scientists Because The Eclipse”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/22/nyt-we-should-trust-climate-scientists-because-the-eclipse/
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on DrudgeReport, top of ClimaeDepot today:
22 Aug: Spectator: Big data finds the Medieval Warm Period – no denial here
https://www.spectator.com.au/2017/08/big-data-finds-the-medieval-warm-period-no-denial-here/
I can’t access the Spectator article, but it appears to be written by Jennifer Marohasy, as I can see the “Jennifer” pat of the attribution:
21 Aug: Jennifer Marohasy: Most of the Recent Warming Could be Natural
AFTER deconstructing 2,000-year old proxy-temperature series back to their most basic components, and then rebuilding them using the latest big data techniques, John Abbot and I show what global temperatures might have done in the absence of an industrial revolution. The results from this novel technique, just published in GeoResJ [1], accord with climate sensitivity estimates from experimental spectroscopy but are at odds with output from General Circulation Models…
For example, there are multiple lines of evidence indicating it was about a degree warmer across western Europe during a period known as the Medieval Warm Period (MWP). Indeed, there are oodles of published technical papers based on proxy records that provide a relatively warm temperature profile for this period [7], corresponding with the building of cathedrals across England, and before the Little Ice Age when it was too cold for the inhabitation of Greenland…READ ALL
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2017/08/recent-warming-natural/
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turn off javascript and then go to the link (this also works at The Age)
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22 Aug: ClimateDepot: Marc Morano: Pre-Determined ‘Science’: The Chair of the federal climate board disbanded by Trump was a World Wildlife Fund activist
The former chair of the Advisory Committee for the Sustained National Climate Assessment, set up by Obama in 2015, is now being disbanded by President Trump. The ex-chair, Richard Moss, is a WWF implant and has been in the climate debate for many years. “Moss is or was Vice President and Managing Director for Climate Change at the World Wildlife Fund.”…
Also see: If the 2017 National Climate Assessment report reads like a press release from environmental pressure groups — it’s because it is! Two key authors are long time Union of Concerned Scientist activists, Donald Wuebbles and Katharine Hayhoe…READ ON
http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/08/22/pre-determined-science-the-chair-of-the-federal-climate-board-disbanded-by-trump-was-a-world-wildlife-fund-activist/
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By way of examples from history – USA Senator McCarthy always advocated stopping communists from holding positions of power within any govt, for good reason.
Now, when you see the climate fiasco, you can understand the damage a few committed-to-the-cause zealots can do for any cause if in positions of influence….
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Fantastic.
This meme of CAGW via CO2 needs to be ridiculed at every corner.
Many years ago I was prompted to link this story with another I had heard as a child, the similarities were amazing.
http://www.andersen.sdu.dk/vaerk/hersholt/TheEmperorsNewClothes_e.html
Nothing changes.
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ps. The “violent” ending may be used by the pc brigade to criticise this movie. An ending where Mr T pulls down a poster advertising CAGW might have been more appropriate but hell, the violence done to our society by the perpetrators of this myth is extraordinary and hard to quantify.
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I let rip at the dinner table this evening, full blast. Enjoyed every moment of the song and thanking Jo with every strum of the chords for bringing it to my attention. At the end, my patient wife looked over and exclaimed, “What the hell was that?” (She’s S.Korean). No explanations necessary.
Just gave me another opportunity to replay it.
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My wife was South Vietnamese so preferred songs she heard in her youth like Bessame mucho in French. I like Leonard Cohen but it’s so dramatic once a year is enough.
KK
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I’ve looked and looked but can’t find any mad scientist claiming the eclipse was caused by CAGW, and has the presstitutes gone soft on Trump because no one accused him of making the sky go black yesterday !
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Anyone stating a cosmic event can be casued by a bit of warmth on one small planet in the solar system – needs to be politely ignored.
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Probably working on it
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/08/21/the-great-american-eclipse-and-its-lack-of-diversity/
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I have kool-ade drinking friends on FB who have shared posts of well known alarmists saying that the science that predicted the eclipse is the same science that predicted AGW so therefore we should all be sheep and become true believers.
Idiots.
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The scary thing is that foolish people vote….thats the scary bit…..
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William….
Perhaps remind them gently that the scientific disciplines of astrophysicists, astronomers and real scientists were the disciplines that established the timing of the eclipse and more recently put men on the Moon, the rovers on Mars, Cassini Huygens at Saturn and so on.
The kool-ade, frappe drinking Conversationalists have a penchant for scientivists, slacktivitists, climatists, and precautionary, post-modern, model centred, consensual atmospheric ideologues. For so many it’s too easy to confuse that Green blancmange with what they imagine is real science. But in truth it’s probably that they are not that interested or affected yet?
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Why gently? Enuff is enuff. Hyper- apostro-phate!
Fergit Nanny-State-constraints, lefties do their street parades
and Q n A comment-interuptus-controls on free speech, goferit!
The kool-ade, frappe -drinking -Conversationalists –have -a -penchant
-for-scientivists-slacktivitists-climatists, and precautionary- post-
modern- model-centred- consensual-atmospheric-ideologues. For so many
it’s too easy to confuse that Green-blanc-mange with what they imagine
is *real* science. But in truth it’s probably that they are not that
interested or affected yet?
(There, fixed that fer yer.)
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maybe someone will create a youtube song for Jay Westherill, who knows where to go for a really, really, positive spin:
22 Aug: Guardian: Katharine Murphy: Jay Weatherill renews warning Labor states could go it alone on energy policy
South Australian premier signals possible collaboration on alternative to clean energy target, and urges Turnbull to face down rightwing pressure
Podcast: 28mins44secs: ‘They’re insatiable’ – Jay Weatherill on his clash with the Coalition
South Australia has long championed an emissions intensity trading scheme for the electricity sector – a form of carbon trading – but Weatherill fell into line behind Finkel’s clean energy target after the report was published in an effort to achieve national consensus.
“For the sake of argument we were prepared to compromise and move away from the emissions intensity scheme to get the clean energy target,” the premier said…
But Weatherill said he was concerned the Turnbull government was now intent on watering down the Finkel mechanism to include “clean” coal in the mix, which made him less wedded to the clean energy target proposal.
The premier said it was important for the prime minister to stare down the current internal pressure to include coal in the clean energy target, because if Turnbull ceded ground on that point, it would be the first of many concessions.
“What the prime minister needs to understand is this: you can’t do business with these people,” the premier said.
“If you move away from an emissions intensity scheme to a clean energy target then they’ll want to change that to allow coal in. If you gave them that, the next question would be tear up Paris, and if [he] tore up Paris then they’d ask him to call a press conference and deny that he believes in climate change – they are insatiable.
“There is no benefit for the prime minister in trying to placate his right wing, because they are incapable of being placated.
“So what we need to do is just get on with the business of putting in the right energy policy.”…
“On any view of it, this next state election is going to be seen as a referendum on renewable energy, because the prime minister has conditioned the South Australian experience as being idiocy and ideology and a dangerous experiment,” the premier said.
“If we were to fail in the election it would be seen as a referendum and a cross against renewable energy.”
Weatherill said Australia’s renewable energy industry was acutely conscious that the political contest in the SA state election was high-stakes.
“I think a lot of people in the renewable energy sector, and people more generally who want to promote policies tackling climate change, understand that. We think that will be an important fulcrum in the state election.”…
Weatherill was asked whether, given the acute political sensitivity about high power prices, he felt he could prevail if the election was a referendum on the future of low-emissions energy. “Yes, absolutely, because people believe renewable energy is the future.
“They also believe, in the long term, renewables put downward pressure on prices and I think they’ve seen the early evidence of that.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2017/aug/22/jay-weatherill-renews-warning-labor-states-could-go-it-alone-on-energy-policy
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The SA Premier gets more delusional every time he opens his mouth. I challenge him to show a renewable energy project that produces 24/7 power at 50hz that is cheaper than a coal fired power station particularly the latest technology.
I expect to hear crickets
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Hypocrisy knows no bounds:
Oh no it’s not.
It’s easy for the Premier to go it alone. Just shut down all his State’s CO2 emitting power plants, and hey, if he wants to, he can even blow ’em up for good measure, and he could then turn off the tap to Victoria’s brown coal fired power.
The current actual consumption for South Australia is 1434MW.
CO2 emitting sources actually supplying that Demand – 1131MW
The tap to Victoria’s brown coal – 63MW
Wind Power – 240MW (16.7%)
Without that CO2 emitting supply, the Premier would not have the electrical power to stand in front of the camera and make this announcement, because if those renewables were all he had, his State would be black.
South Australia’s election based on renewables ….. “Hey look over there, what a cute little Koala.”
Tony.
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“and he could then turn off the tap FROM Victoria’s brown coal fired power.” 😉
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Next month submissions for the continental bullet train network will be up for discussion, South Australia may have to be bypassed.
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No, it can still go through there. On sunny days. When it is a little bit windy – but not too windy.
And if no-one is using their hair drier or boiling a kettle.
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Windy is OK if the train uses sails.
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A state of the art Maglev can run on its own batteries for an hour.
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A whole hour? Wow!
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It can levitate for an hour but can it still travel at 500 kph?
‘We note the capability of Transrapid maglev to continue to levitate for one hour after losing power using on-board batteries.’
Monorails Australia – Intercity Maglev Monorails
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Ahh! Maglev. (Cue Homer saying the word ‘bacon’)
Bear with me for a minute.
When I was posted back to Forest Hill to teach the electrical trade to new guys in the RAAF, it was 1986.
Okay, I did all that theory back in the late 60s, and while it was ‘in there’, it’s a complete other thing to actually teach it.
Although the principle between electric generators and electric motors is similar, in that they look similar, the electrical process is different. (cue Fleming’s Left Hand Rule and Right Hand Rule)
With generators, the electromagnets in the (the mechanically driven) rotor induce a current in the stator windings, hence the generation of electricity.
With an electrical motor, a current is applied to the stator windings creating a magnetic field in the Stator, and that field then reacts with the magnetic field in the rotor magnets, causing that rotor to revolve.
The process for Maglev is similar to that electric motor theory. (well sort of)
Now, instead of it being housed in a round(ish) ‘thing’ which looks similar to a generator, the process is laid out along a flat plane and extended ad infinitum, and the reaction between magnetic fields is what drives the ‘train’ forward.
Okay, I said all that to say all this.
The process for Maglev is a horrendously huge consumer of electricity, and as you may imagine that electricity HAS to be there ALL the time. (think of a Maglev at 603KPH and the electricity goes away)
The idea that we can have a VFT, be it Maglev or another method, and the move to renewable power are inconsistent one to the other.
Introduce a Maglev, and here, think of at least ten years, and we will need more constantly capable and reliable power generation, not less, huge power generation that can reliably drive this technology.
See how anything to do with electrical power is just that tad more than the proverbial ‘hole in the wall’ with its switch, eh!
Back in ’86 on for me, we had a theoretical video of 40 minutes or so on Maglev, explaining the theory of electrical motors mainly, and it was one of the few videos that students would not fall asleep during the running, while it played.
Tony.
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Speeds of 500 kph.
http://www.monorailsaustralia.com.au/maglev.html
The premier of NSW is very impressed.
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Yes, then it crashes, explodes and disintegrates. What is called a controlled stop. If you are afraid of flying, do not get on a train which does 500km/hr and drops on the rails.
These mad trains! The faster they go, the more energy they use. Even planes are flying slower in Australia to save fuel, two engines instead of 3 or 4 but the trains want to go faster? Worse, they take longer to get there and much longer to slow down, so they cannot afford to stop to pick people up, or it doesn’t make sense. The average speed quickly halves.
A train which did 180km/hr or even 160km/hr is cheap, fast and can afford to stop. Even the Queen Mary cruises at 60km/hr, but not our trains. This very fast train is economic nonsense, practical nonsense, dangerous, vastly expensive and solves nothing. They would have to go slowly into big cities, not 350km/hr, which kills all the notional advantage. Then the maintenance and the danger to every community in the path.
Japan has 5x our population in a country the size of Victoria. It nearly makes sense for their short trips. China too with cities of up to 40 million people and relatively short distances.
They cannot make money and pay for themselves without charging aircraft prices and then why not fly? You do not need rails. Forget level crossings. The last time it was proposed, they had a notional cost of $400million to check the ecology along a the route, which is $500,000 per km to look for frogs.
Only our Faux prime minister would come up with this, more Green than the Greens. It has never made any sort of sense for Australia.
Parliament must be prorogued. There must be six Labor members who are sitting illegally. As many Coalition. Add a one seat majority and at least Joyce thrown out of his seat. We will have a Very Fast election before Christmas.
So this is another illogical Green fantasy, suitable only as a National boast, like Concorde.
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Australia’s population growth will determine that fast rail to the rural and regional areas is the only way to alleviate pressure in the cities.
Japanese Magalev, Australian steel and Chinese construction workers to lay down the track, built with monies borrowed from the China Infrastructure Bank.
The bullet trains will travel 24/7 and never be empty, due mainly to the flood of tourists.
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‘Only our Faux prime minister would come up with this….’
… and win the next election comfortably with ‘bread and circuses.’
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OK, fine. Let them disconnect from the other states and see how long it takes for their state to completely collapse. Then deny them any power and watch people pour out of SA……
Sometimes with the little kiddies, you have to let behaviour play out so there are naturtal consequences for their silly choices….
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doesn’t Weatherill read anything outside of the CAGW-infested Guardian/Fairfax/ABC media?
21 Aug: WaPo: Bloomberg: Total Chases Growth With $5 Billion Purchase of Maersk Oil
by Geraldine Amiel and Christian Wienberg, with assistance from Marie Mawad Rakteem Katakey Javier Blas and Angelina Rascouet
Total’s Chief Executive Officer Patrick Pouyanne is following through on a hint last month that he was ready and willing to make acquisitions to grow production, taking advantage of a plunge in company valuations, the cost of drilling and other equipment during the three-year industry downturn. The Maersk assets will boost the French giant’s business in the North Sea, adding to deals earlier this year that expanded its presence in Uganda and Brazil…
The deal ranks among the largest that a super-major has done since oil prices crashed in 2014. Royal Dutch Shell Plc agreed to buy BG Group Plc for $52 billion in 2015 and has been reaping the benefits since the transaction closed the following year. In January, Exxon Mobil Corp. agreed to pay $5.6 billion in shares, plus a series of contingent cash payments totaling as much as $1 billion, for drilling rights in the Permian shale region of Texas…
The combination with Maersk Oil gives Total about 1 billion barrels of oil equivalent of proven and probable reserves, about 80 percent of which are in the North Sea, according to the statement. It will add output of about 160,000 barrels a day of oil equivalent to the French group next year, rising to 200,000 a day by 2020…
Total will issue to Maersk 97.5 million shares, representing 3.75 percent of its enlarged share capital. That will make the Danish company the second-largest investor in the French giant, according to data compiled by Bloomberg…
Morgan Stanley advised Maersk and Lambert Energy Advisers worked with Total.
http://washpost.bloomberg.com/Story?docId=1376-OV0UE36JTSE801-01LB6FCBLSH6QFRRCRCFOJO6JL
Total Buys Maersk Oil With Good Sense Of Timing
Forbes-21 Aug. 2017
French energy giant Total to buy Maersk Oil for $7.45bn
EnergyLiveNews 22 Aug 2017
The agreement will make Total the second largest operator in the North Sea and is the largest takeover in the region for a decade…
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No no Comrade…all hail glorous CAGW world where sun is always shining, in glorous Soviet republic of South Australia…..
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no hype here! 240,000 towers and Greenwish aims to reach 3,000 of them by 2018! by which time there will probably be more than 240,000 towers.
never mind, it’s a heart-warming CAGW story about “leap-frogging” Africa and the money isn’t coming out of ex-Morgan Stanley woman’s pocket anyway:
21 Aug: Bloomberg: The Plan to Turn Africa’s Mobile Phone Towers Green
By Anna Hirtenstein With assistance by Solape Renner
GreenWish Partners, a renewable energy company run by a former Morgan Stanley executive, is planning to invest $800 million on solar-powered telecommunications towers across Africa.
The project could fuel economic growth by providing power for essential services. Sub-Saharan Africa has the lowest rates of energy access in the world and is home to about half of the world’s 1.2 billion people without reliable electricity, according to the International Energy Agency…
“We reduce the total cost of power by 30 percent,” said Charlotte Aubin-Kalaidjian, the founder and chief executive officer of GreenWish, who was formerly a managing director at Morgan Stanley Investment Management. “Smaller towers can run entirely on solar and battery and larger ones reduce their diesel use by at least 60 percent.”
Africa has more than 240,000 telecom towers, which convey signals to and from mobile phones. Most of them are powered by diesel generators because they’re often attached to unreliable grids or in remote areas without power network access. The hybrid systems developed by GreenWish combine a solar panel, a battery and a diesel generator to provide complete off-grid reliability…
Africa’s telecom industry has exploded in recent years, leapfrogging traditional fixed-line infrastructure and moving straight into mobile phones and Internet services…
Mauritius-based Greenwish has partnered with Orange SA and will begin with 250 towers in the Democratic Republic of Congo this year. It’s aiming to reach 3,000 towers across several countries by 2018 and 10,000 by 2020, Aubin-Kalaidjian said…
“Given cost of solar has been declining rapidly and energy costs for off-grid towers are high, tower owners are incentivized to switch to hybrid systems,” said Takehiro Kawahara, frontier power analyst at Bloomberg New Energy Finance. “Africa has potential remaining to increase mobile subscriptions while most other markets are reaching saturation, but energy costs can be significant in rural areas.”…
GreenWish expects to raise debt from a combination of commercial banks and development institutions such as the Overseas Private Investment Corp, the African Development Bank, KfW and FMO of the Netherlands.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-21/solar-telecom-startup-calls-ex-morgan-stanley-manager-to-africa
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continuing with the comedy: Xie Zhenhua has already prevented CAGW & ensured a sustainable future worldwide. nothing more to be done then?
22 Aug: SouthChinaMorningPost: Louise Moon: China’s top climate change negotiator Xie Zhenhua to receive HK$20 million Hong Kong prize
Xie Zhenhua, China’s chief negotiator at the Paris Agreement, will receive the Lui Che Woo Prize for his efforts to tackle global climate change
“We honour his achievements in preventing climate change and thus ensuring a sustainable future not only in China but also globally”, said prize recommendation committee chairman Professor Lawrence Lau Juen-yee…
The prize, set up by property tycoon and casino owner ***Lui Chee-woo in 2015, honours individuals or organisations with outstanding achievements in three categories – sustainable development of the world, betterment of the welfare of mankind and promotion of positive life attitude each year…
Professor Lau said Xie has led China in energy conservation, pollutant emission reduction and land use since 1993, when he became head of the mainland’s environmental protection agency.
In November 2016, Xie openly criticised US president Donald Trump for backing out of the Paris global climate change pact.
“No matter leaders from which country, they need to be in line with global development trends. People would not support their leader when he goes against the trend. Country’s progress would be affected as a result,” said Xie, when answering a reporter’s question on Trump policy on global warming last year.
Xie also set up China’s national carbon trading scheme, which was launched this year and has become the biggest market globally.
“I was very honoured,” Xie said, “The prize will drive us to achieve results in the future.”…
http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/2107841/chinas-top-climate-change-negotiator-xie-zhenhua
the prize-giver:
***Wikipedia: Lui Che-woo
Lui Che Woo, GBM, MBE, JP is a member of the Standing Committee of the ***Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, Jiangmen, People’s Republic of China and is a Hong Kong gambling magnate, founder and chairman of listed firms Galaxy Entertainment Group and K. Wah International Holdings Ltd. In January 2014, he was reported to be worth US$21 billion and ranked the second richest man in Hong Kong…
Today, K. Wah has developed into a multi-national conglomerate involving gambling, property, entertainment & leisure, construction materials and hospitality, with over 200 subsidiaries and more than 33,000 employees in Hong Kong, mainland China, Macau, North America and South-East Asia.
To mark K. Wah Group’s 60th anniversary in 2015, Dr Lui established the LUI Che Woo Prize – Prize for World Civilisation in Hong Kong…
***Wikipedia: Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference
In practice, the largest and dominant party in the Conference is the Communist Party of China, which has about two thirds of the seats…
the recipient ***Xie Zhenhua, before his reincarnation as climate change negotiator:
2006: BBC: Chinese chemical threat to rivers
More than 100 chemical plants beside China’s rivers pose safety threats, the country’s environment chief has warned.
Zhou Shengxian said the plants were surveyed after a chemical spill in November poisoned the water supply for millions of people in the north-east…
One hundred tonnes of the carcinogens benzene and nitrobenzene were dumped into the Songhua after an explosion on 13 November at a PetroChina chemical factory in the north-eastern province of Jilin.
The chemicals moved hundreds of kilometres downstream, forcing water supplies to be cut in the town of Harbin, leaving some of its 3.8m people without water for five days.
Mr Zhou’s predecessor as head of the State Environment Protection Administration, ***Xie Zhenhua, resigned soon after the leak, and criticism of the government’s response.
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Looters cannot move past the fact that nuclear power was first harnessed to fry belligerent socialism in 1945. In the 1980s I was constantly approached by terror-stricken persons innocent of physics assuring me that any and all nuclear energy was about to wipe out humanity. The most constructive rejoinder to these prophesies is “how did you find out?” About halfway through reciting that they’d had it dinned in their faces from government-licensed telescreen broadcasts thousands of times, they would realize how stupid the assertion must sound to someone who does not seek scientific data from Sesame Street or 60 Minutes. Questions like “how?” and “why?” short-circuit brainwashing and behavioral conditioning by exposing it to explicit scrutiny.
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fyi:
THE AUSTRALIAN BELIEFS AND ATTITUDES TOWARDS SCIENCE SURVEY
AUGUST 2017
Australian National Centre for Public Awareness of Science
> Eighty per cent believe there is solid evidence the world has been warming the last few decades, with more than half of these people saying this is because of human activity
(The US equivalent is 46%).
http://www.science.gov.au/community/Documents/REPORT-SCAPA172001-CPAS-poll.pdf
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Let me guess , survey was conducted in inner city areas only or they surveyed only those with strong warmist beliefs .
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I don’t know anyone that believes in CAGW.
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Hmmm….Australians generally dont seem to be deep thinkers….or only watch tv programs at 6:30pm on commercial tv which are academically the shallow end of the pool…
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Even Australia’s leading ‘progressive’ thinker Robert Manne disagrees with ANCfPAoS:
“There are two kinds of political people in today’s world: a minority who believe that climate change is the most consequential problem humans now face or have ever faced, and a majority for whom, for one reason or another, the penny has not dropped.
https://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/2016/december/1480510800/robert-manne/malcolm-turnbull-brief-lament
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Yes, but it needs to drop on the side of science, not politics….
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Therein lies the problem. The intentional conflation of ‘science’ with the ideology of ‘globull warming’.
BELIEFS AND ATTITUDES TOWARDS SCIENCE ≠ Eighty per cent believe….blah blah …warming .. blah blah…. human activity.
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OMG! What is the “Australian National Centre for Public Awareness of Science”?
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I used to work with them in their proto-pre-earliest days at ANU.
CPAS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_National_Centre_for_the_Public_Awareness_of_Science
ANU Shell Questacon Science Circus.
Connected with The National Science and Technology Centre.
Great at communication and media skills for science grads. Sadly not strong with logic, reasoning or the scientific method, and some graduates were (like I was) good at promoting climate agitprop without knowing how to assess or check it. Some graduates are sadly prone to namecalling “denier” on The Conversation. Ad hom is not something we were taught to recognise.
E.G. Grant, Will J and Rod Lamberts 2014. ‘Twelve ways to deal with a climate change denier – the BBQ guide’ The Conversation 22 Dec 2014.
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One way to deal with a Holocene denier: Bass Strait.
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Brilliant.
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smoking chimney illustration tells us everything about SciAm & the writer’s politics!
asking Kahan & Cook to comment tells us even more:
22 Aug: ScientificAmerican: E&ENews: People Furthest Apart on Climate Views Are Often the Most Educated
For attitudes on global warming, political identity is a more important signal than academic acumen or scientific literacy
by Umair Irfan
Looking at a nationally representative survey of views on stem cell research, the Big Bang, human evolution, nanotechnology, genetically modified views and climate change, researchers at Carnegie Mellon University found that respondents with the most education and the highest scores on scientific literacy tests had the most polarized beliefs.
On climate change, the researchers found that political identity was a more important signal of where respondents stood than their academic acumen or scientific sophistication.
“Conservatives with higher scores display less concern about climate change, while liberals with higher scores display more concern,” the authors wrote. “These patterns suggest that scientific knowledge may facilitate defending positions motivated by nonscientific concerns.”
This is a manifestation of what researchers call motivated reasoning: a phenomenon where people evaluate facts and figures with a goal in mind, often signaling allegiance to a political group…
“What you believe about climate change is more an indicator of whose side you’re on,” said Dan Kahan, a professor of law and a professor of psychology at Yale Law School who was not involved in the study…
John Cook, an assistant professor at the Center for Climate Change Communication at George Mason University who was also not involved in the new study, noted that the kind of information people receive is more important in shaping views than augmenting general scientific knowledge…
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-furthest-apart-on-climate-views-are-often-the-most-educated/
21 Aug: CarnegieMellonUni: Polarization for Controversial Scientific Issues Increases With More Education
PHOTO: SNOW SCENE
“A lot of science is generally accepted and trusted, but certain topics have become deeply polarizing. We wanted to find out what factors are related to this polarization, and it turns out the ‘deficit model’- which says the divisions are due to a lack of education or understanding — does not tell the whole story,” said Caitlin Drummond, the lead author who recently received her Ph.D. in behavioral decision research from CMU’s Department of Social and Decision Sciences and will be a postdoctoral research fellow at the Erb Institute at the University of Michigan this fall.
Published in the Proceedings of the National Academies of Sciences (PNAS), Drummond and CMU’s Baruch Fischhoff used data from the nationally representative General Social Survey…
“These are troubling correlations. We can only speculate about the underlying causes,” said Fischhoff, the Howard Heinz University Professor in the Institute for Politics and Strategy and the Department of Engineering and Public Policy. “One possibility is that people with more education are more likely to know what they are supposed to say, on these polarized issues, in order to express their identity. Another possibility is that they have more confidence in their ability to argue their case.” …
Grants from the National Science Foundation Graduate Research Fellowship, National Science Foundation and Riksbankens Jubileumsfond supported this research.
(AT BOTTOM) Climate change is one of the controversial scientific issues that CMU researchers found more education does not help.
http://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-stories/2017/august/polarization-controversial-science.html
CMU links to the PNAS study, whose Abstract begins:
PNAS: Individuals with greater science literacy and education have more polarized beliefs on controversial science topics
Abstract
Although Americans generally hold science in high regard and respect its findings, for some contested issues, such as the existence of anthropogenic climate change, public opinion is polarized along religious and political lines…
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OT. Victoriastan’s glorious leader was just spruiking the solar powered trams and new renewables push for 25% renewable by 2020 adding that it will reduce electricity bills by a massive $30 a year.
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I assume that the red thumb in 14.1 can provide proof of 24/7 renewable energy with no gas or diesel.
I suspect I will be waiting a very long time
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can’t see surfies in Sydney heading to Qld in one of these:
21 Aug: BBC: VW to relaunch Kombi van as electric vehicle
By Rebecca Marston
The last classic VW Kombi, or VW T2, was produced in Brazil in 2013 after safety standards there became too onerous for further adaptation.
Its new microbus made its debut in January. VW says it was inundated with requests to “please build this car”…
VW said the electric van, known as the ID Buzz, will be aimed at customers in North America, Europe and China. There will also be a cargo version of the van.
The Kombi, or Bulli, as it was known in Germany, first went into production in 1950.
Although it was originally simply designed as a jack-of-all-trades van, it is most associated with hippies and camping…
COMMENTS (some laughs):
Why do they need to redesign it? Just reproduce the original and put an electric engine in, can’t be that difficult can it?…
Knowing VW it be the first electric vehicle to produce smog and fumes, not buying VW…
Bless – a new van with rounder edges, softer colours that the weekend lefties think will help the environment…
This thing will be capable of 1000 miles on a 2 minute charge, that’s of course until cheating VW get caught telling LIES again…
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-40998128
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OT, your ABC claims there was swastika’s spray painted near a Jewish church so we got the whole racist story which then morphed into the protests in the USA.
Only problem what was painted was the Hindu symbol for evolution. Just goes to show how dumb we are as a nation.
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Jennifer Marohasy and John Abbot are working hard to prove ANN is better than the BoM GCM.
http://jennifermarohasy.com/2017/08/recent-warming-natural/
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Given there’s more brain power and ethics between the two of them it wouldn’t be a hard ask .
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Greg Hunt didn’t think their idea had any merit, but then he’s only a wiki man.
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OT again,
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=%23&ved=0ahUKEwjfksfQlu3VAhUJObwKHUerB5IQxa8BCCkwAQ&usg=AFQjCNF1sHlk2z9QIx28jtvfnGP_UlkifA
If you can ignore the tin foil hat commentary, the first few minutes shows something very powerful strike Jupiter. One can only guess at how much energy is displaced.
Now where were we? Oh yes that’s right SSM, SJW calamities and climate change,………
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Let me try that again
https://youtu.be/tazme9-6U7w
Watch in awe as the power of the universe is on display
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22 Aug: EnergyInDepth: Bombshell: Activists Admit #ExxonKnew Is About Attacking Free Speech
by Spencer Walrath
But late Tuesday night, Harvard history professor Naomi Oreskes and her colleague Geoffrey Supran published a report conceding that #ExxonKnew was never really about what Exxon “knew,” but instead was focused on punishing the company for arguing against specific climate policy proposals…
The Oreskes report helps explain why U.S. Virgin Islands Attorney General Claude Walker subpoenaed the Competitive Enterprise Institute and other free market groups in addition to ExxonMobil. It explains why New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has changed the justification for his investigation of ExxonMobil three times, but has always remained focused on a company whose position doesn’t quite mesh with his own.
The report even suggests the AGs and their allied activists were never interested in ExxonMobil’s climate research per se – they were merely attempting to punish the company and others for opposing climate policies that environmental groups supported…
https://energyindepth.org/national/bombshell-activists-admit-exxonknew-is-about-attacking-free-speech/
19 Aug: Daily Caller: Chris White: EXCLUSIVE: Anti-Trump AG Raked In Campaign Donations From An Oil Tycoon With Ties To Putin
New York Attorney General Eric Schneiderman has accepted more than $60,000 in small donations from Leonard Blavatnik, a Ukrainian-born energy billionaire with ties to Russian oligarchs, according to a Daily Caller News Foundation examination of the Democrat’s financial disclosure reports…
Schneiderman, along with pursuing charges against Trump, has also become a thorn in the side of ExxonMobil. New York’s legal crusader engaged in a years-long probe into the oil company’s alleged concealing of climate change data from shareholders and the public….ETC
http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/19/exclusive-anti-trump-ag-raked-in-campaign-donations-from-an-oil-tycoon-with-ties-to-putin/
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comment in moderation re –
22 Aug: EnergyInDepth: Bombshell: Activists Admit #ExxonKnew Is About Attacking Free Speech
by Spencer Walrath
But late Tuesday night, Harvard history professor Naomi Oreskes and her colleague Geoffrey Supran published a report conceding that #ExxonKnew was never really about what Exxon “knew…
22 Aug: WaPo: Dakota Access Pipeline owner sues Greenpeace, arguing it broke organized crime law
By Dino Grandoni
By filing a lawsuit against the activists in U.S. District Court in North Dakota on Tuesday, the Dallas-based oil and gas company Energy Transfer Partners became the second firm to accuse Greenpeace of breaking a federal organized crime law used to try members of the mafia, the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, or RICO Act…READ ON
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2017/08/22/dakota-access-pipeline-owner-sues-greenpeace-arguing-it-broke-organized-crime-law/?utm_term=.207e035ae117
23 Aug: Bloomberg: Energy Transfer Suit Claims Greenpeace Incites Eco-Terrorism
By Andrew M Harris and Tim Loh
“Under the ‘Greenpeace Model,’ raising money and the network’s profile is the primary objective, not saving the environment,” Energy Transfer said. “‘Issues’ are selected according to which ones will generate maximum publicity and donations, irrespective of the environmental merits.”…READ ON
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-08-22/energy-transfer-sues-greenpeace-claims-it-incites-eco-terrorism
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22 Aug: PR Newswire: Energy Transfer Equity L.P.: Energy Transfer Files Federal Lawsuit Against Greenpeace International, Greenpeace Inc., Greenpeace Fund, Inc., BankTrack And Earth First! For Violation Of Federal And State Racketeering Statutes
Energy Transfer Equity, L.P. (NYSE: ETE) and Energy Transfer Partners, L.P. (NYSE: ETP) today filed a federal lawsuit in the United States District Court for the District of North Dakota against Greenpeace International, Greenpeace Inc., Greenpeace Fund, Inc., BankTrack, Earth First!, and other organizations and individuals. The Complaint, which is Index number 1:17-cv-00173, alleges that this group of co-conspirators (the “Enterprise”) manufactured and disseminated materially false and misleading information about Energy Transfer and the Dakota Access Pipeline (“DAPL”) for the purpose of fraudulently inducing donations, interfering with pipeline construction activities and damaging Energy Transfer’s critical business and financial relationships.
The Complaint also alleges that the Enterprise incited, funded, and facilitated crimes and acts of terrorism to further these objectives. It further alleges claims that these actions violated federal and state racketeering statutes, defamation, and constituted defamation and tortious interference under North Dakota law…READ ALL
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/energy-transfer-files-federal-lawsuit-against-greenpeace-international-greenpeace-inc-greenpeace-fund-inc-banktrack-and-earth-first-for-violation-of-federal-and-state-racketeering-statutes-300507851.html
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23 Aug: Reuters: Australian state looks to lock in renewable energy target
Australia’s second most populous state has proposed passing laws to lock in a renewable power target of 40 percent by 2025, looking to spur investment in solar and wind farms even as the national government wrangles over energy policy beyond 2020.
Victoria state Premier Daniel Andrews will introduce legislation to the state parliament this week to cement renewable energy targets, including 25 percent by 2020.
The eastern state, with a population of 6.24 million, suffered a sharp jump in wholesale electricity prices earlier this year after one of its largest coal-fired power plants closed.
The 1,600 megawatt Hazelwood plant had provided a quarter of Victoria’s power supply, and its closure has raised demand for gas-fired power at a time when east coast gas supply has been strained, fueling rises in gas and power prices…
Victoria, a Labor-controlled state, will hold renewable energy auctions in which companies will bid to supply the market, the first of which is for 650 megawatts, which the government said it hopes will bring up to A$1.3 billion ($1 billion) worth of investment into the sector…
However, big energy users and major power producers cautioned against a state-by-state approach to setting renewable energy targets, following the Victorian government’s announcement.
“We desperately need a coordinated national approach and we are not sure this latest initiative helps achieve that goal,” Energy Users Association of Australia Chief Executive Andrew Richards said in a statement on Wednesday.
The Victorian government also announced two firms had won tenders to build solar farms to power Melbourne’s tram network.
Foresight Solar Australia, part of the Britain-based private equity fund Foresight Group, will provide 100 megawatts at Bannerton Solar Park…
Privately-owned French renewable energy firm Neoen will produce 38 megawatts at Numurkah Solar Farm. Australia is Neoen’s second-biggest market behind France.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-australia-renewables-idUSKCN1B308I
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wind in trouble – never mind, Aussie politicians will probably come to their rescue!
23 Aug: Reuters: Christoph Steitz: Wind turbine tie-ups under pressure as sector awaits more deals
FRANKFURT (Reuters) – A sell-off in shares of recently merged wind turbine makers highlights the growing speed at which competition in the sector is heating up, raising expectations for more deals in the quest for scale.
In the latest sign of the squeeze, Siemens Gamesa (SGREN.MC) last week said it would cut 600 staff, less than a month after it revealed third-quarter operating profit had dwindled by a fifth, partly due to India’s shift to auctions from guaranteed tariffs.
The wind power industry, growing steadily but still largely reliant on state support, has witnessed a number of large M&A deals in recent years that were triggered by a steep drop in turbine prices, down a quarter since 2010.
General Electric (GE.N) beefed up its wind business with the takeover of France’s Alstom, Germany’s Nordex (NDXG.DE) snapped up the turbine unit of Spain’s Acciona (ANA.MC) and Siemens (SIEGn.DE) merged its wind division with rival Gamesa.
The latter created the world’s No.2 player, with a combined market share of 14 percent last year, still behind Danish sector leader Vestas (VWS.CO) but overtaking GE, according to consultancy MAKE. Nordex ranks sixth.
Followed by the usual mix of job cuts and the replacement of top management, these deals come at a time the industry is moving towards an auction-based system that favors those who can bid at the lowest price, not those busy with integration…
Thomas Deser, senior portfolio manager, Union Investment, a shareholder of Siemens Gamesa: “The introduction of auctions has led to a significant price erosion that has triggered concerns about margins.”…
Significant share price declines also suggest that the deals were too expensive. Since the transactions were publicly announced in October 2015 and June 2016, respectively, Siemens Gamesa’s stock has declined by about a quarter, while Nordex’s has more than halved…
Before the advent of auctions, wind farm developers could rely on feed-in tariffs that were guaranteed by law for as much as two decades, which critics say prevented the industry from becoming cost-competitive more quickly…
Nordex, which suffered a major loss of investor confidence earlier this year after slashing its mid-term outlook, has also flagged further job cuts, saying business in Europe contracted sharply in the first half of 2017…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-windpower-m-a-idUSKCN1B21QF
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22 Aug: ChathamDailyNewsOntario: McNaughton says water well issues must be confronted
By Trevor Terfloth
Lambton-Kent-Middlesex MPP Monte McNaughton (Progressive Conservative) is throwing his support behind a council motion asking the province to halt wind turbine construction until water well issues are investigated.
Chatham-Kent council passed the motion, entered by Wallaceburg Coun. Jeff Wesley, on Monday.
Five water wells in the North Kent Wind project area, currently under construction by Samsung Renewable Energy and Pattern Energy, have been clogged with sediments shortly after recent pile-driving took place for constructing industrial wind turbines…
Concerns have been raised about the potential danger if the sediments are from the Kettle Point black shale bedrock formation in the area, known to contain heavy metals such as arsenic, uranium and lead…
When contacted by The Daily News on Tuesday about council’s motion, the ministry stated: “We have taken a cautious, science-based approach when setting standards for renewable energy projects to protect the people of Ontario. In response to concerns raised by area residents, the ministry imposed a number of conditions in the Renewable Energy Approval for this project. We recognize the concerns raised and we are committed to working with the municipality on this matter.”
Pattern Energy released a statement saying it takes the issue seriously and is working with residents.
“We are committed to working with the community as construction progresses on the project. We understand the importance of having access to a clean water supply for families,” the statement read…
McNaughton said water is a basic necessity that residents have a right to, noting he’s seen the problems first-hand.
“These families must be protected,” he said. “It’s just common sense.
“I demand, with the municipality, to halt this project until the due diligence takes place.”
The MPP added that he doesn’t believe the province should continue building more wind projects, citing the high cost of power.
“In my opinion, we continue to produce way more energy than Ontario needs,” he said. “They should stop signing these contracts. … But this (North Kent) one needs immediate attention.”
http://www.chathamdailynews.ca/2017/08/22/mcnaughton-says-water-well-issues-must-be-confronted
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couple of goodies on Roy Spencer:
23 Aug: Townhall: John Stossel: Al Gore’s Hype
https://townhall.com/columnists/johnstossel/2017/08/23/al-gores-hype-n2371854
22 Aug: Washington Times: Valerie Richardson: Gore documentary called “bad science” as sales plummet
Climatologist Roy Spencer publishes rebuttal to “Inconvenient Sequel” as weekend box office drops by 59%
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/22/climate-scientist-rebuts-al-gore-film-bad-science/
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Pat. Should be a green thumb.
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Thanks for posting Jo, getting all these hits all of a sudden.
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Outstanding! Thanks for sharing it!
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Everybody’s got their favourite Elmer vid. It’s a tough choice but mine has to be Drill Baby Drill
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Nice song. I’ve always liked that guy’s voice since I heard M4GW’s ‘If we had some Global Warming’ back in 2007.
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too good , a tribute to an international racketeer !
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