News today is filled with “record heat” in France — whatever, it might be the hottest since thermometers started measuring, but it’s been hotter before. Even if it’s real, it’s only a technicality because we only started records recently. At most it can only be the hottest in 130 years or so, and we know it was just as hot in medieval times, hotter 7,000 years ago, hotter 130,000 years ago, and so on, hotter for most of life on Earth.
The record heat in France is a meaningless clickbait moment in climate history that preys upon the short term human psyche. Like some collective amnesia we forget that the French Revolution was but a moment ago in geologic history. So this is the worst heatwave in Europe since … 2003?
But is it even a real (albeit short term) record? We don’t know if French historic records were adjusted, cooled, subject to unaccounted site moves, or measured in super sensitive electronic thermometers that didn’t exist in 1896. But we do know that when France’s top TV meteorologists wrote a skeptical book, he was sacked. If the data is being tampered with, what are the odds that any recognised French expert could speak up? It’s the only certainty in the climate debate — question the propaganda and kiss the career goodbye.
It was 44C in Toulouse in 1923. All it takes is a bit more tarmac at the airport, a few more high rise buildings blocking the breeze and the same 44 degree day would easily register as 46C today, especially with an electric probe.
Record heat brings record …snow…
In the same week, Beartoothpass on the border between Montana and Wyoming in the USA was closed for five days due to snow in summer. Colorado welcomed summer with 2 feet of snow, after the fifth coldest May on record. That’s 40 times more snow than normal for this time of year, there is so much snow there will be skiiing on the 4th of July. It’s also unexpectedly snowing in Mongolia. It snowed in Yellowstone for the summer solstice. It’s also snowed to start summer in Canada, 25cm in in Alberta, people are asking if June is June-uary. There were icicles in Alice Springs this week, and a bumper snow start to the Mt Hotham season — at least it’s winter downunder. Did you hear about the freak cold?
James Murphy, New American
Which brings us to the recent summer solstice snowstorm in the Colorado Rockies. On June 21, a freak snowstorm dropped up to 20 inches of snow on parts of Colorado, adding to an already substantial snow season, which since January has seen snow totals in Colorado at more than 750 percent above normal. The recent snow has ballooned that number to over 4,000 percent above normal. A large part of that percentage is because snow is normally completely absent by June, and this year’s abnormally cold temperatures have helped preserve vast amounts of snow that fell earlier in the year.
CLOSED for five days in summer! June 25th
Beartooth Pass on US-212 in Montana is currently closed due to blowing and driving snow and high winds and has been closed for the past 5 days. The Pass closed on Thursday, June 20th, 2019, at 7:30 pm and is currently closed as of this writing (10:30 am PDT).
Summer in Colorado when you go hiking at 12,000 feet. @10isaacsmith #hiking #adventure #colorado #summer pic.twitter.com/v3Hx8I36WJ
— Carole Smith (@welivegreen2011) June 24, 2019
This is so wise #9wx #CoWx #Colorado pic.twitter.com/Tw0AmjNuP6
— Erin Powell (@erinepowell) June 23, 2019
h/t ClimateDepot, Lance, Andrew V
A warmer world is overall a wetter world. Hot air getting pushed into Europe from Africa is just weather, in 2019 or 1923. You’ll know the world is warming when cattle are grazing the Sahara and maximum temps (in more places than not) are repressed by cloud.
By the way, the very low and concerning Arctic ice minimum of 1923 had well and truly passed by the 1970s. But any global cooling in the 1970s didn’t stop the drought/heat disaster of 1976 in the British Isles. It was weather, it was climate, it was…take your pick.
The difference between the present and 1923 or 1976 is that media now are far more uniform and centralised. It’s uniformity and centralisation that manage to look like diversity while going waaaay beyond ordinary censorship. France will be cold again in a few months. The media, mainstream and faux-alt, will only get worse. The media should terrify us.
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But it’s not really a warmer world, unless your baseline is the end of the LIA which roughly coincides with the start of the Industrial Revolution, after which it better be getting warmer. About the only thing unusual about the current climate is that it’s been remarkably stable when compared to the average rates of change seen in the 50+ year averages extracted from paleoclimate data. It’s been so unusually stable people forget that the climate is not, never has been and never will be constant.
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As a 15 yr old, the summer of ’76 was blerdy fantastic and will provide an enduring memory of Mediterranean weather in the otherwise excruciatingly perpetual 10/10 grey stratus sealed meteorological banal northwest of England.
Climaporn and weatherfiction are the staple oats of the Trojan horse of corporatist globalism. That damned ideological
creaturecretin is being force fed out of rank desperation these days.The Green Death of de-industrialisation, de-population, destitution and despair is the choice of no living sane individual.
The eternal daily preference that unites all people is for liberty, prosperity and hope.
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The heat stroke is strong in this one.
Summer temperatures in France peak a month after the solstice, so this week’s scortcher imay herald a post- Bastille Day Thermidor rivaling the lethal heat wave of 2003.
And it isn’t an ill-sited thermometer anomaly – the new record French high of 45 was attended by dozens of record readings from Avignon to Perpignan
https://vvattsupwiththat.blogspot.com/2019/06/surprising-summer-chill-on-second-day.html
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Yawn,
one day is NOT a heat wave, boso. !
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It is hot in France, some record high temperatures were broken in some places.
Journalists pretend that it is unprecedented. But old newspaper chronicles prove that the heat wave of June 1947 came sooner in the month and reached comparable temperatures.
Records were broken in villages like Conqueyrac or Vieilleville were the weather’s station record dates back to 1985.
The next Meteo-France weather station is Montélimar with a 100 year record (use KNMI explorer). And, surprise, the record there was not broken. Yet with the UHI and the fast new platinum resistance thermometers, it should have been.
Nobody know what the temperature could have been late June in obscure places like Vieilleville or Conqueyrac in 1947. But if we base our estimates on the nearest weather station, this heat wave is comparable to 1947’s.
Cold winter and torrid summer of 1947.
http://www.meteo-paris.com/chronique/annee/1947
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from comments at Not a Lot of People know this:
The Seine (and the Loire & Rhine) dried up in the summer of 1303. People were able to walk over the Seine in 1540. If these alarmists tried to do that today we would say they were In Seine.
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And that just shows how the Little Ice Age (LIA) affected the NH climate.
It wasn’t just that it had many severely cold winter periods, but it also had huge European droughts, and many very, very, hot summers (1666 Great Fire of London — hot drought summer, followed by parts of the Thames freezing over during that winter). Having large land masses meant that weather effects were more severe and prone to very rapid change as the atmospheric air masses dictated the changes.
During the LIA the NH weather was extreme, very extreme!
The Southern Hemisphere being mostly oceans, and therefore more protected from worst of sudden extreme changes in the weather, suffered less but it was impacted as research from China, Japan, South America, and Australia/New Zealand show.
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Yes the jetstreams went crazy during the LIA, And are doing similar now in a lesser way.
There was very little human occupation of the SH in the LIA and certainly very few civilizations capable of documenting any extreme events, except the closest would be the Incas in South America.
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Well so far at the southern end of NZ, the
summerwinter has been blessedly idyllic. DG.30
It’s been pretty good in the northern part of the North Island, too (Hamilton to Kaitaia).
We had a brilliant Indian Summer this year. It lasted to nearly the end of May: calm, warm, dry, but very cloudy. We’ve had a bit of rain since then but it hasn’t been a huge quantity.
Skies were still very cloudy until the start of this week.
This last week has been blue skies, sunny and calm. Wow. It’s almost like a cold summer with the frosts in the morning (my part of Auckland keeps just missing out 🙂 ) It’s weather I’ve seen before during July through the mid 1970s. (Well, it’s nearly July now — tomorrow! 🙂 — but I’m not holding it against it!) It will be interesting to see if this continues.
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Tom0mason at #2.1.1
There was the Great Famine of 1315 – 1317 from widespread crop failure caused by widespread continuous rain. It covered England, Belgium, France and into Germany. That wasn’t a drought but a huge European Rain. The Wiki page in the link above shows this was not an isolated incident of famine for whatever reason. Don’t blame just drought because famine became common through the 14th century, and repeated, espec. for the Maunder Minimum time (1645 – 1715).
There was huge eruption in Indonesia in 1257 (Samalas eruption, Lombok Island) creating a “Year without a summer” in 1258. Mt Tarawera in NZ has been fingered for an eruption c. 1315. (I know virtually nothing about this one.) Rangitoto Island in Auckland was also erupting c. 1300 and later but it was chicken feed, as far as volcanic eruptions went — a mere puffer!)
The Little Ice Age was off to a wonderful start …
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Taupo 169AD wasnt exactly a puffer..
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62 graphs from scientific papers show the global extent of both the MWP and the LIA. Yes most are from proxy data, with some being proxy and models …
https://notrickszone.com/2018/05/10/81-graphs-from-62-new-2018-papers-invalidate-claims-of-unprecedented-global-scale-modern-warming/
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Not a lotta’ people know there was a Medieval Warming Period…
Really, there was no need fer a certain person ter try ter get rid of it. expunge the historical record, but i guess when yer go Orwellian a la 1984,yer need ter be on the safe side.
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The weather station in Southern France
Where the record high was measured
Isnin the midst of a an area with greenhouses
Next to a road and a car park.
UHI is very evident.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/29/frances-new-hottest-recorded-temperature-ever-is-in-question-guess-where-it-was-measured/
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As Spencer says the heat from the road will have quite some effect.
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The heat is moved from Nth Africa by circulation patterns which are QUITE NORMAL for this time in the Mediterranean.
https://www.windy.com/-Temperature-temp?temp,19.973,129.551,3,i:pressure
Look at that and all is revealed. Cant hide from natural processes. It is hot in Siberia, Alaska, neither mentioned. Whoopee the sun shines what next.
Jo is right the so called ‘records’ are nothing of the sort, just relate to some station that was set up a few decades ago. Dont worry therell be more so claimed ‘records’ next northern summer, you bet!
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You people don’t care about evidence, just anti-regulation ideology. Your thought processes go something like this:
“Someone’s telling me I shouldn’t waste finite oil but they must be wrong because I’m a chosen child of God! They’re just trying to CONTROL me, like mommy did when she told me to share cookies with my brother!”
With that mindset, it’s a complete waste of time to cite evidence like the difference between local and average temperatures, or weather versus climate, or blatant ice-melt at the poles and glaciers. None of it will get through because you’re just too thick.
You were busy denying the ozone/CFC connection in the 1980s, and now your anti-regulation crusade is focused on pretending the species wiping out countless others and clearing billions of acres of forest can’t possibly warm the climate by crowding the atmosphere with the same gas that prevents the world from being frozen. Note how you never really disputed the base CO2 greenhouse effect (no financial stake in acknowledging that).
It’s no wonder you support the likes of Trump, who’s officially told over 10,000 lies since being inaugurated.
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“You were busy denying the ozone/CFC connection in the 1980s, ”
Well I was a vegetarian Green then, telling people to worry about climate change and protesting logging…
I guess you haven’t read much here?
Like us, I guess you deplore solar and wind because they destroy forest? Like biofuels destroy rainforest.
So tell us what evidence works for you. Which measurement, which observation shows CO2 causes major warming? One at a time. Be my guest.
Convince us…
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You got it! I’m fully aware that people are destroying and altering nature on many levels, whereas you oddly pretend one of the biggest ways is a myth. People destroy forests. People destroy entire animal species. People pollute air, land and water. The list goes on.
But wait, people can’t possibly be altering the climate, you say? Why? Just because you choose to ignore the evidence is all you’ve really got. It’s as if the brain has a CO2 filter. Your critical thinking skills are wacky.
https://www.google.com/search?&q=co2+triatomic+vibrations+heat That’s why CO2 traps heat, and its persistence in the atmosphere modulates fluctuating greenhouse gases like water vapor, but it’s a waste of time to explain this to people who won’t learn anything. All you have to do it type some glib reply that either ignores the (real) science or changes the subject, so what can I add?
As for wind power, I find it to be a prime example of environmental hypocrisy, and its advocates annoy me more than climate deniers (whom I already know can’t think rationally). I’ve taken up the view of the Dark Mountain Project because there are too many fools of all political stripes to ever save the planet.
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“But wait, people can’t possibly be altering the climate, you say? ”
You made that up. Try quoting me instead. Then you do long distance brain scans of me and psycho-analysis and give “critical thinking advice”. Genius!
And I agree that CO2 is a greenhouse gas and always have. So that makes it a clean sweep: 2 Strawmen arguments and 1 totally baseless speculation from you.
As for water vapor: All the models predict exactly how it will fluctuate, and all of them are 100% wrong. The upper tropospheric hot spot is missing, it’s THE key feedback, and pft! there goes 2 degrees of amplification. See the line at the bottom of every single post on my site ” The most deadly point: The Missing Hot Spot.” and 30,000 more words of analysis later. It’s still not there.
PS: But good to see we agree on at least one point of environmental hypocrisy. 1 down. 100 to go.
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“That’s why CO2 traps heat, “
Utter and complete anti-science garbage.
You need to learn further than the mindless pap dribbled to you by the AGW priesthood.
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“but it’s a waste of time to explain this to people who won’t learn anything”
And you are VERY MUCH in that category.
You have gullibly accepted an anti-science mantra, and your mind cannot escape.
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Joanne,
On further research, it looks like most of your epiphany was based on “forgetting” to account for the Sun’s weaker output when ancient CO2 levels were higher, thus you assumed that CO2 wasn’t the forcing agent then, and “can’t be” now. You should have spent more time before declaring so many others wrong.
See: https://skepticalscience.com/How-Jo-Nova-doesnt-get-past-climate-change.html
It’s ironic because many “skeptics” still claim that the Sun has gotten hotter (which it hasn’t). They conveniently ignore the Sun when it was cooler with more CO2 “compensating.” Someone named Nova should study the Sun more carefully! You may feel like you’re in too deep to admit you were mistaken, but it’s never too late to eat some crow. Since that article is from 2010 I assume you’ve dismissed it already, but it looks quite logical.
Sure, the consensus isn’t always right, but the days of rogues like Galileo existed in a different context when science was barely getting started. CO2 is a well-known heat-trapping gas (triatomic molecular vibration) which no other species is accelerating. Scientific instruments and methods are too sophisticated to make glaring errors with lots of peer-review on this scale. The assumption that global warming is a “scam” to prevent people from foolishly wasting finite oil (with or without AGW) is just a conspiracy theory, but it’s the cornerstone of quasi-skepticism.
The fossil fuel industry is foolish for trying to maximize consumption instead of stretching its product (rather, nature’s bounty) as long as possible. I’m baffled by the motives of climate-deniers in general, unless they believe in abiotic oil fantasies (debunked by peak-production curves around the world).
I’ll reiterate my earlier points about Man’s blatant impact on other natural systems, like scattering plastic all over the oceans. Few people deny that’s happening, so why is the climate so impervious to human influence? Air, water and land are all being tampered with on a vast scale. Modern economies are the equivalent of carbon-burners running 24/7. If we intentionally set out to raise CO2 it would be seen as a pragmatic achievement!
[What a delightful gish-gallop.]ED
[I already replied to this, this morning? Did it not post? Do I have to do it again? – Jo]
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Dear False, my epiphany was based on 28 million weather balloons, 6,000 boreholes, 20 years of satellite data, 120 proxies of the last 2,000 years. See The Evidence. Top right of every page here. (You don’t research much before you spout off eh?)
I don’t need highly uncertain readings from 400 million years ago adjusted through speculative solar models. But apparently you do? Magic how you think CO2 controlled the temp half a billion years ago (assuming the sun was “cooler”) but you can’t name a single example in the last ten million years that doesn’t rely on wild adjustments of raw data and / or junk models.
As for your “solar” lecture: Do you realize the climate models you rely on assume the solar wind, solar magnetic fields, and solar spectral changes have zero effect on our climate, (who’s the solar denier here?) — despite hundreds of proxy studies showing that streamflow, water catchment, crop yield, jet streams and other things vary in time with solar cycles.
PS: Before you come to show off your anonymous ignorance, check The Index.
PPS: Look up my responses to John Cook (of un-SkepticalScience). You’ve been had. Sorry.
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Feel the hate eh?
My epiphany is based on 28 million weather balloons, 6,000 boreholes, 30 years of satellite records, and 120 proxies of the last 1000 – 2000 years. Not to mention hundreds of other studies of the holocene plus half million years of Vostok ice cores. See “Evidence” in the links top right column of every single post.
Things older than that are interesting but not a key plank and never were. If CO2 had any significant effect surely we’d see it in high res data from the last 10,000 years but we don’t. Nothing. Nada, not one measurement, just one mere weak correlation in the years from 1979 – 1999.
Given that temperatures control CO2 — with an 800 year lag as the oceans turn over (caillon et al 2003), it is utterly predictable that for most of the last half billion years the two will appear to rise and fall together. When they do that, it proves nothing about Which Came First. Could you separate things by 1000 years with any respectable certainty 500 million years ago? Are you kidding? Every single point (millions of years) where they don’t act together simply supports skeptics. Our task is easy. Yours, the faith, is wildly ambitious, and needs a thousand bandaids to rationalize the 1000 obvious flaws. Royer et al, is just one bandaid.
You’re the one apparently relying now on modeled estimates of solar output hundreds of millions of years ago merely to keep your religion from collapsing. A religion dependent on climate models we know don’t work in the last 1000 years.
Let’s talk about “ignoring the sun”. Did I mention that your sacred climate models ignore the solar wind, the solar magnetic effect and solar UV/IR changes (just for starters?) Nova doesn’t ignore the sun, you do. You have to.
I haven’t claimed the sun has “gotten hotter” so why mention it? Why not debate what I’ve said instead fake strawmen?
So Mr Cosmic Superstition – keep lecturing – apparently your epiphany is dependent on plastic litter? Because man has polluted the oceans therefore Ergo Prompter Rubbish — mankind has polluted the sky and the Earths climate sensitivity is 3.3C? Your rabid, random, illogical, innumerate fossilized conspiracy theories are blatantly obvious attempts to keep your pagan faith levitating above a thousand studies that show you are wrong.
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FP = ZE..
Poor muppet has to resort to the anti-science of SKS.. So HILARIOUS.
STILL WAITING for empirical evidence that increased atmospheric CO2 causes warming
Do you even know what “empirical” means?
Hint.. it DOESN’T mean ASSumption driven anti-validated models.
Have you EVER done any actual real science in your whole gullible, brain-washed existence?
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Ok since YOU are incapable of understanding
1. ANY real geophysical data that disproves the CO2 warming scam.
2. The CO2 warming IS a scam and provable!.
3. Ozone was also a scam as the only one paper that suggested it was wrong.
“With that mindset, ” YOU are the one with a ‘mindset’.
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You have to have a mind to have a mindset
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Not quite there Mal, but a nice attempt:
Allow me, if you will:
You have to have a mind, yes, a necessary prerequisite, and enough knowledge to be dangerous to have a mind set.
A mind without knowledge can’t be set.
A mind with a good amount of knowledge doesn’t need to be set. It’s flexible enough to follow the science as it develops.
A good example of a mind set is “The Science is Settled.” 🙂
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theRealUniverse wrote on June 30, 2019 at 2:25 pm:
Ok since YOU are incapable of understanding
1. ANY real geophysical data that disproves the CO2 warming scam.
2. The CO2 warming IS a scam and provable!.
3. Ozone was also a scam as the only one paper that suggested it was wrong.
“With that mindset, ” YOU are the one with a ‘mindset’.
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OK, I’m convinced because you’re clearly a deep thinker! Here’s your science:
If you say it’s true, it’s true.
If you say it’s a scam it’s a scam.
Who needs all that elitist book learnin’ stuff when life is so simple? If you ever get some terminal disease and the consensus of doctors says you’re in trouble, all you have to do is yell “SCAM!” and you’re cured. Life is just simple that way.
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So, its a ZERO EVIDENCE from you, then FP
No empirical evidence of warming by increased atmospheric CO2,
Just BLIND BELIEF in the mantra and all the junk science you are fed..
Unlock your brain-washing, if you are capable of it.
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Falsie,
You are ignoring the real science here.
CO2 does not “heat” the atmosphere, that’s a scientific nonsense and human origin CO2 is quantitatively irrelevant if any further put down of the scam was needed.
You are an advocate for something that someone told you about.
Until you are able to comprehend the science I’d suggest you tread carefully, go back and ask your source to explain the science carefully.
Maybe they’re using you?
KK
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‘You were busy denying the ozone/CFC connection in the 1980s …’
That was me sir and I’ve been vindicated, it appears to be a natural function unrelated to Dupont.
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“You people don’t care about evidence”
Ok, waiting for you to produce empirical evidence that increased atmospheric CO2 causes warming.
Waiting, waiting. !!
Seems you haven’t kept up with the real science behind ozone, have you, petal.
“or blatant ice-melt at the poles”
oh dear,, the mindless brain-washed are here again.
Current Arctic levels are in the top 5-10% of the last 10,000 years.
“Note how you never really disputed the base CO2 greenhouse effect ”
An unproven hypothesis, based on very little real science.
It is a misnomer, for a start, CO2 is a radiative gas.
It does NOT “trap” heat because it can not and does not change the natural flow of convective heat, which absolutely rules in the lower atmosphere.
It seems your comprehension of basic science is limited to the propaganda anti-science of the AGW agenda, doesn’t it, little falsey.
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Good grief !
Where is Peter Fitzroy ?
He at least treid to make sense at time & referred to science occasionally.
By contrast False Porgree is all about wild fake assertions.
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Feter PitzRoy never said anything, he was a blog clogger.
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Keith, your comment shows a certain lack of compassion and patience.
The village idiots do need to be appreciated.
And cuddled by their teddy bears
Which you have hidden.
🙂
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False Progress @ # 3
Ah, another Gullible who can’t distinguish between propaganda and fact. Go read (maybe available from Amazon or an Amazon partner):
MADURO R. A, SCHAUERHAMMER Ralf, “ The Holes in the Ozone Scare; The Scientific Evidence that the Sky isn’t Falling” 21st Century Science Associates [ 1992 ]
ISBN 0-9628134-0-0
which blows the CFC/Ozone debate out of sight. The Antarctic ozone hole was known back in the 1950s as “The Antarctic Anomaly.” It was discovered by Charles Dobson, the scientist whose name is used to measure units of ozone now, although everyone else thinks it was some British scientists in 1984, who took the credit for it. CFCs had barely been invented back in the 1950s.
The CFC and Ozone affair is a scam. The true story of it is not pleasant reading.
You need to research it before opening your mouth and changing feet, otherwise you’re just another Gullible, reacting to propaganda — because that is what it was and still is: propaganda. Isn’t it amazing what pot’s of money can do? You can buy/purchase anything with it.
False Progress: a fact free Master Baiter. An appropriate handle indeed. The manufacture of CFCs lasted about 27 years. And 27 years later, their replacement, CHCs, were also added to the Montreal Protocol. So what lasts for 27 years? If you can answer that, then you have your answer — the reason why CFCs and later CHCs were vilified and banned.
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You people are classic conspiracy theorists and there’s no reasoning with that ilk. The odd thing is that some of you acknowledge that Man is mucking up nature in many other ways – but can’t possibly be altering the climate? Why are you stuck on denying that one issue? The human mind is a weird thing, and dangerous.
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False Progress:
I suggest that there is little evidence of man destroying the climate, rather the reverse.
So temperatures have risen by 1℃ since 1850; they rose by at least 4℃ in 50 years after the Lesser Dryas. And the CO2 level was steady about 260 p.p.m.
If you look at the Vostok ice core results, not the lower resolution figures chosen by Al Gore for his movie, you will notice that that the temperature rose before the CO2 level rose, and more importantly (to me) that the CO2 level stayed higher for hundreds of years after the temperature started falling. This raises the question how can anybody claim that CO2 controls the temperature.
Further in the Eemian (or whatever other name used) Interglacial about 125,000 years ago, the Earth’s temperature is said to be 2.5℃ above present. As the sea level was around 6 metres higher than at present it would seem a lot of ice had melted (but not floating polar ice which wouldn’t have effected the level) and further, fossils of lions, giraffes, elephants and hippos have been found in the Thames Valley from that time. I take it that this is evidence that the temperature reported is likely. Yet the CO2 level is said to be 285p.p.m. then. How then did the Earth get so much warmer than now, especially as primitive man couldn’t possibly have been influencing the climate.
I am sure you have noticed that the basic cause for all this talk of humans changing the temperature/climate/weather patterns depends on a small rise in the CO2 level, but this is based on assumption not any proof. And if you would like to search for Tyndall’s experiments you will find that YES he found CO2 absorbs some infrared. Other experiments by him showed that it also radiated infrared rapidly. Please don’t fall for the latest scare story without doing some checking first.
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Poor FPO, stuck in his brain-washed ZERO-EVIDENCE rut.
Bring your actual science, FP.
Start with the very basics. Show us all the empirical evidence that increased atmospheric CO2 causes warming
Every model that is based on that failed hypothesis is WRONG.
The only model that is anywhere near the actual measure atmospheric temperature has a basically ZERO sensitivity to atmospheric CO2.
You have NO SCIENCE.. just brain-hosed mantra.
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False Progress @ #3.2.1 said:
I see whichever one of your parents got the job of raising you, didn’t succeed in teaching you good manners.
There is no point in discussing anything with the terminally rude.
That’s two posts and two and a half insults — after generously rounding down.
Maybe, Mr Fact Free, you need to back up and start again.
If you thought that science was certain, well, that is just an error on your part.
-Richard Feynman.
If it’s opinion and lacks the support of science then it’s not necessarily wrong but neither is it right; it’s unproven. If our science says it’s wrong, then we deny it’s validity.
Let’s examine an example:
Supposedly 97% of scientists think and say that tropical cyclones (which term includes hurricanes and typhoons which are historical names for these storms) are caused by mankind’s emissions, especially that of CO2, into the atmosphere.
Here are half a dozen papers from the scientific literature (all are peer reviewed and published):
(drop each into a search engine and you will be able to reach at least the paper’s abstract or even the whole paper. Whatever: read what you get carefully. You need the FACTS.)
1. P Prikryl, L Nikitima, V Rinsin: Rapid intensification of tropical cyclones in the context of the solar-wind-magnetosphere-ionsphere-atmosphere coupling. Journal of Atmospheric and Solar Terrestrial Physics. 2018.
2. Prikryl et al, Tropospheric weather influenced by solar wind through atmospheric vertical coupling downward control . Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics 2017
3. Prikryl et al. A link between high-speed solar wind streams and explosive extratropical cyclones. Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics 2016
4. Hodges et al. The sun-hurricane connection: Diagnosing the solar impacts on hurricane frequency over the North Atlantic basin using a space-time model, Natural Hazards 2014
5. Hodge and Elsner, Evidence linking solar variability with US hurricanes, Int. J. Climatol, 2011
6. Hodge and Elsner, The spatial pattern of the sun-hurricane connection aross the North Atlantic,
ISRN Meteorology 2012
plus a bonus paper:
7. Harrison et al, Space weather driven changes in lower atmosphere phenomena, Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics 2013
The papers above detail a range of solar effects on this planet’s atmosphere mostly to do with the creation, intensity, frequency and tracking of tropical cyclones — the subject of my example. Having been peer reviewed and published, they are part of the scientific literature. They say the 97%, which seems to include you, are wrong.
It’s the sun.
That’s the area where the IPCC makes its biggest mistake. The solar influences are not limited to just TSI. That is only 0.1% (IPCC figure) of the forcings our star brings to bear. The solar influences are so strong, they totally override anything 7.8 billion messy bipeds can achieve. Perhaps it’s because it’s c. 1,000,000 ( 1 million ) times larger than this planet …
The above example is your answer. If it’s only opinion and the scientific literature says it’s wrong, we deny it’s validity.
It doesn’t matter how beautiful your theory is, it doesn’t matter how smart you are. If it doesn’t agree with experiment, it’s wrong.
-Richard Feynman.
You came onto this blog and made like a loose cannon. Everybody is entitled to make a fool of themselves but some succeed better than others.
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No matter how beautiful yr theory,* if it don’t conform to nature –
it’s wro-o-ong.
https://twitter.com/proffeynman/status/1010935192901554176?lang=en
* or how beautiful yr model projection
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What you have is a perfect example of sudden Global Warming. Also known as extreme Climate Change. What a difference a day makes! 24 little hours.
Just when the Global Warming and Climate Change people were in despair, everything came together to save them. Nothing random about that. It’s absolute proof of something. A sudden change in Carbon Dioxide levels after the tennis? All those international visitors perhaps. Isn’t Climate Science wonderful?
They are breaking out the champagne in Brussells. More CO2.
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… but with heat in France and snow in Colorado, they sure can’t say the weather is unbalanced!
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What’s the betting on this year being the 7th or 8th HOTTEST YEAR EVER!?
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They are doctoring the data as we post.
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I see you have a really huge queue demanding to take up your bet! 🙂
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It always pays to check the location of weather stations, particularly to determine if anthropogenic warming might have anthropogenic causes other than CO2, as Anthony Watts has been pointing out for over a decade:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/29/frances-new-hottest-recorded-temperature-ever-is-in-question-guess-where-it-was-measured/
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There is some apparent confusion with the precise location of the weather station that “recorded” France’s hottest ever temperature. The weather station identified by Anthony Watts is over 1km away from the actual location. However, the “rooftop” weather station that was apparently the source of the record temperatures has now published its daily record. And what do we find? No trace of that record high! It missed by only 1.8 degC. So what do you call a record high that was never “recorded”?
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/06/new-video-claimed-french-temperature-record-never-happened/
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I was a Roof Tiler in a former life and I can tell you from experience that on a hot day with the sun beating down those tiles will absorb enough heat to make them impossible to hold unless you want a thermal burn, even walking on them is uncomfortable so the the amount of heat generated is within the medical burn factor,
The minimum temperature that can cause a burn in a finite amount of time is 44 °C (111 °F) for exposure times exceeding 6 hours. From 44° to 51 °C (111° to 124 °F), the rate of burn approximately doubles with each degree risen. The burn would develop in less than a second if the exposure temperature is at least 70 °C (160 °F).
The lighter coloured tiles that cover this roof normally reflect more incoming solar rays making them slightly cooler which would account for the lower recording compared to a black roof but the heat sink effect is still the same, I also noticed the traditional Cordover tile design but cannot tell if they’re concrete or terracotta which can make a small difference again as both will absorb heat but the terracotta will cool faster with a temp drop or cloud cover.
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I observed a demonstration showing two small areas of Colorbond Steel roofing on a summer day, not above average temperature, roofing sheets white and the other brown.
Very clearly the white roofing was much cooler.
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More details on the “record setting” weather station in France is available at Tony Heller’s site:
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/06/hottest-rooftop-on-record-in-france/
Of course, the climate crisis media probably aren’t interested in any details such as conformance to standards, or the actual published temperature record. Now, they are allowed to claim how hot it feels like. I can see a new industry starting here. No need for any objective standards or comparison with historical data. Let’s just ask individuals to guess at the temperatures that were reached.
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Mark Moreno has compiled an entertaining summary of France’s new temperature “record”, mostly by aggregating a series of posts from Tony Heller. But I especially enjoy the publicity garnered by young climate crisis acolytes:
https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/06/29/record-high-french-temperature-claim-called-into-question-hottest-rooftop-on-record-in-france/
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Mark Moreno has compiled an entertaining summary of France’s new temperature “record”, mostly by aggregating a series of posts from Tony Heller. But I especially enjoy the publicity garnered by young climate crisis acolytes:
https://www.climatedepot.com/2019/06/29/record-high-french-temperature-claim-called-into-question-hottest-rooftop-on-record-in-france/
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Worst Apocalypse. Ever. Clickbait Update Edition:
“In Germany, heated rows broke out over how much nudity to tolerate in the midst of the heat wave.
After a group of women took off their bikini tops in Munich last weekend to bathe along the banks of the city’s Isar River, five security guards ordered them to put their tops back on, citing local public nudity prohibitions.
In response, about two dozen women also took their tops off “out of solidarity,” according to the German daily Süddeutsche Zeitung.
The security guards proceeded to call the police, who insisted the women cover their breasts.
“For me, it’s incomprehensible if men can lie in the sun topless but not women,” said the Greens’ Dominik Krause, among the initiators of the council debate.
German police in the eastern state of Brandenburg, which neighbors Berlin, looked on nudity more kindly when they posted two pictures of a man wearing nothing but a helmet while riding his motor scooter.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/melting-autobahns-jaguars-in-pools-naked-men-on-scooters-europe-faces-an-early-summer-inferno/2019/06/27/cf6597d4-9821-11e9-9a16-dc551ea5a43b_story.html?utm_term=.464ceea222f5
Paul Hogan was ‘abreast’ of this issue when CO2 was much lower … ’60 Minutes’ Send Up Featuring ‘George Fungus’... “when the sun comes out, so do the white pointers”:
So why was it so warm 72 years and 100 ppm CO2 ago?
Sounds like weather.
Not doomsday.
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So why was it so warm 72 years and 100 ppm CO2 ago?
B e a c a u s e C O 2 d o e s n t c a u e a n y w a r m i n g a t a l l.
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yeah this is hot enough, I’m sure–
https://balance10.blogspot.com/2019/06/hikvision-in-top-three-most-favoured.html
https://balance10.blogspot.com/2019/06/massive-hightech-transfer-to-china-big.html
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I have lived here in the south of France for over 30 years and have had my met station running for the last 10.
Friday was the hottest this year at 42.8°C compared with 40.5°C on 5/08/2018 and we almost got there this afternoon 40.3°C.
Temperature is now dropping at 3.5°C/hr.
As Jo says all this flapping about temperature is just that flapping about because some street people died last year when it got to 40°C and made the papers. Macron is in a bit of a panic because any repeat of people dying because of the heat will reflect very badly on his green agenda which has been badly dented by the gilets jaunes continuing protests.
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You have to think also that if this record temperature was recorded at only one station, it is not true. Conversely, if it was true and there was no weather station, it would never have been recorded.
What we need is some good old Australian BOM homogenization to create record temperatures by interpolation using smooth curves and adjust adjacent temperatures to suit. The French could learn from Australian weather technologists. We could do a swap with secret submarine technology.
Maybe though if they cannot find the actual weather station, they already have?
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Maybe we could offer an exchange program with “Sister Stations”?
With the BOM’s ACORN system thrown in the deal?
I see ACORN in French is GLAND so an ad campaign using the Beatle’s ‘I want to hold your GLAND’ should do nicely….your’e welcome.
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CNN when it’s cold: Weather isn’t climate, you idiot.
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/01/29/weather/global-warming-cold-weather-explainer-wxc-trnd/index.html
CNN when it’s hot: This is “heat wave hell”! There’s a “climate emergency” and a “climate crisis”!
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/29/europe/climate-change-heatwaves-cities-intl/index.html
via tom nelson: https://twitter.com/tan123/status/1145070532011974656
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Tony Heller at https://realclimatescience.com exposes the whole thing as fraud.
Firstly the thermometer is mounted on a tiled rooftop.
Secondly the temperature never hit 45.9 – this was a feels like temperature.
The coloured concrete path to my clothes line exceeds 60°C on a summer’s day and the roof cavity under my deep red coloured roof tiles exceeds 60°C regularly.
Perhaps we could break every Australian temperature records with an arrangement similar to the French rooftop ?
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No doubt easy done.
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Why not?
While at it, create a new standard: °CF
for degrees Celsius FAKE ….
Could be fun.
🙂
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https://www.infoclimat.fr/observations-meteo/archives/28/juin/2019/gallargues-le-montueux/000OZ.html
Highest half-hourly temp was 44.1C. Must have been a huge spike to get it to 45.9C.
No such spike shows up in the half-hourly intervals.
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Reporting only on Cherry picked “hottest temperature ever” is just a snow job!!!
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HISTORIC HOT SPELLS.
DAILY TELEGRAPH, ISSUE 6408, 19 MARCH 1892
“In 1303, 1304, the Rhine, Loire and Rhine ran dry …”
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/DTN18920319.2.31.3.5
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Those records of past living conditions just go to show that there’s nothing new under the sun.
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This should be shown to people young and old … Climate Emergency – Heatwave in France?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=40&v=SfYTEkSA9nI
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He’s put together a very useful package there.
Especially liked the intro on Greta T. 🙂
Have spent a few days in Montpellier and his explanation of the “heating” of that area puts the blame on hot winds from Africa.
Perhaps Africa needs to reduce CO2 output. Is this a new thing for the IPCCCCC to manage for the benefit of humanity.
The headlines might read, “International Cross Border Intrusion of CO2”.
Don’t give Greta ideas, this cross border thing could keep her charged up for the next few years.
KK
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Greta’s very corporate crusade …
https://standpointmag.co.uk/issues/june-2019/gretas-very-corporate-childrens-crusade/
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There: if anyone can read that and believe there’s no money involved they’re obviously turning a blind eye.
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Here’s a forum discussion regarding this matter, of which I’m apart of:
http://www.city-data.com/forum/weather/3059421-france-western-europe-heatwave-june-2019-a.html
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Also the temperatures further North which are subject to the Atlantic maritime regime were substantially cooler.Interesting that places in Germany, such as Frankfurt,Berlin and Munich reached 38 but more rural sites contiguous to these major centres received much lower temperatures.Generally,the regions affected by the Mistral had somewhat of a rather torrid time of it- albeit on the drier side.
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If you look very closely at the photo of the Colorado pass you can just pick out a few white elephants, but being on snow makes it tricky, but not impossible.
I wonder if RAH has any comments on this, he gets to see a lot of the USA?
KK
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During the Little Ice Age it was not uncommon in summer to get a Sahara blast, so this event has nothing to do with a buildup of CO2. Once this aberration has passed the weather should return to mild and wet because of a negative NAO.
https://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/precip/CWlink/pna/nao_index.html
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E G I agree with your comment.
But ho does your link support your comment ?
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Its generally accepted that when the North Atlantic Oscillation is negative in summer, then Europe will experience cool wet conditions.
Obviously if it doesn’t switch back then the system is well and truly busted.
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It might have been hotter on June 29th in 1266 on a rooftop in Southern France, but how would anyone know? The thermometer was not invented until 1700 and the Celsius scale in 1742. It’s not as if every household then had one. Or a smart phone or a weather station on the roof.
So you would expect records to be broken. Like the lap record for Formula 1 at Monte Carlo. Entirely a modern invention. Like the hypothesis of man made Global Warming aka Climate Change.
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Yes but don’t forget that today there is a teenager who can see CO2.
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Yes, a modern miracle. Like Lourdes or Fatima. There are always teenage girls who can see these things.
I think there are women in the US who fantasise about Trump as well.
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Can she also See O2
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She can’t see the climate for the breeze.
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“there is a teenager who can see CO2.”
Which means that, because she breathes out 40,000 ppm, she can’t see past the end of her nose. !
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Apologies for repeating myself.
Every “official” temperature measurement point in the world should be fitted with one more input – at the soil depth of, eg 3 metres. The specialists would know for sure.
Of course it will not show much change, but the trend, the trend!
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Britain of 1266 saw a moderately good harvest, which is amazing because it was a year of rain, floods and high tides. A couple of years later the Thames was frozen over at London Bridge.
They had no idea they were entering the Little Ice Age.
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I’m not sayin’ it was the sunshine tax, but …
The ‘sunshine tax’ is dead, and Barcelona and Cádiz are mounting a renewables revival
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/14/power-to-the-people-how-spanish-cities-took-control-of-energy
… Another deadly heat wave has Europe in its sweaty grip this week.
Record temperatures topped 100 degrees Fahrenheit (37.8 degrees Celsius) in parts of France, Germany, Poland and Spain, with hotter days to come.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/06/europe-has-had-five-500-year-summers-in-15-years/
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One hot day in France and international report from the MSM go rabid over the ‘story’.
Funny I never saw any ‘clickbait’ or international reports were made of —
The SNOW in the Italian Dolomites. June 22 and intense snowfall on the Marmolada with -2 ° C . At the beginning of summer. http://www.meteoweb.eu/2019/06/neve-dolomiti-nevicata-marmolada-2c/1276991/
or
June 26 Kenyan farmers have to contend with high cost of production as a biting cold weather hits several parts of the east African nation.
The cold weather, which normally kicks off in July, started in late May, …
Over the years, the cold weather initially affected mainly the capital Nairobi and the central and Rift Valley highlands, but has now hit most parts of the county, pushing hundreds of farmers to the edge …
From: http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2019-06/26/c_138173308.htm
or
June 28 Unexpected summer snow hits western Mongolia. An “abnormal” summer snowfall has hit a western Mongolian province, a local meteorological department said Friday, Xinhua reports.
“An unexpected summer snow hit the southwestern mountainous parts of our province on Tuesday and Wednesday, with an average precipitation of 2-3 mm,” said Jagsalag Khulibek, expert of Bayan-Ulgii Province’s meteorological bureau, calling the snowfall an unusual weather condition.
The meteorologist explained that the unseasonal snow was brought by a strong cyclone from the Siberia.
Bayan-Ulgii Province is located in the west of Mongolia and shares borders with both China and Russia.
From: https://akipress.com/news:621339:Unexpected_summer_snow_hits_western_Mongolia/
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All this based on the entirely outrageous idea that any CO2 is trapped in the atmosphere forever, when oxygen is not.
At 10C, the solubility of CO2 is2.5grams per kg of water. The solubility of essential oxygen for fish is 0.055grams per kg of water.
So CO2 is 45x more soluble than the dissolved oxygen essential for fish to survive. Still the IPCC tells us that CO2 stays in the air forever.
Someone is telling fibs which are so big they are outrageous. Peer reviewed apparently.
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The IPCC outright lies on CO2 retention, CO2 is NOT retained. Ed Berry has proved it, although it was probably known before the IPCC was invented by real geophysicists.
The term trapped is absurd and totally contrary to Henry’s Law of gasses, in relation to CO2 and ocean temps.
Peer reviewed = someone stamps it for approval but never reads it. Listen to Peter Ridd on ‘peer review’.
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Henry’s law is unbreakable. However it is a laboratory situation combined with the extreme solubility of CO2. The exchange with wind on the water and wages and turbulence is much faster.
What I saw in a high sea in the Atlantic two months ago was how the waves crashed and you had this giant area of bubbles, light aqua in colour. Every wave.
That was air trapped by a wave and forced into the water. It happens all the time with droplets but also with wind on the water. Beware a still lagoon, as there is not enough oxygen in the water for life and it can be come fetid swamp. Not the oceans however and they are 98% of all the water on the planet and the cycling of air through the water is immense.
Then you get rain and storms which capture air as they fall and most of the planet is ocean. The crazy idea that fossil fuel CO2 is trapped in the tiny atmosphere is non science, made up and I believe, simply a lie. There is almost no mention it in the voluminous IPCC reports. I have looked for it. One author said ‘thousands of years’. The IPCC official figure is 80 years. It is a deliberate lie.
They rely on the voice of authority from NASA and the UN to convince people that 97% of scientists agree CO2 is trapped in the air. Because if it isn’t, there is no problem. CO2 equilibrium levels are set by Henry’s law but the CO2 exchange rate is much, much higher than you would expect.
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“but the CO2 exchange rate is much, much higher than you would expect”.
Because, as you say, there is supplemental physical mixing.
🙂
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I remember a lecture on the subject decades ago. He was an expert in air exchange with water droplets. It is where all the action is because the surface area to volume is much greater than the normal surface of water. These droplets grab gasses. They are created by even the lightest winds on the ripples on a surface.
So you have a huge range of effects, from huge dumpers crashing to gentle breezes, air pushing water and water absorbing air. To treat the environment of this planet as only the land on which we live is to ignore the elephant in the room, the 75% of the surface covered with water, including the 3.5Km of water in Antarctica which is growing so quickly that sea levels may start dropping soon.
All ignored by land based ‘climate scientists’ who have ignored the oceans which control all our weather. Without water there would be no climate.
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Without water there would be no climate. or life.
I agree with the elephant in the room, oceans. Its amazing how these so called ‘climate’ scientists if you can call them that, get away with so much anti physical statements.
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Pee reviewed
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theRealUniverse,
“The IPCC outright lies on CO2 retention” in a way is not strictly wrong!
CO2 and solar energy are stored away continually by lifeforms all over the planet. The key is CO2+H2O and solar energy and the wonder of photosynthesis. Solar energy to bind CO2+H2O (from solar energy to chemical energy) into new compounds of sugars, starches, proteins, cellulose type structural material, etc, etc. From those low energy basics to synthesizing higher energy foodstuffs.
Since the end of the LIA, and as the globe has warmed slightly(!), generally lifeforms have expanded their populations (certainly humans have!), expanded their geographical range as tundras warmed, as icy areas defrosted, as the deserts start to green up, and all despite the humans propensity to attempt to control many of them. Nature has asserted it’s might to populate the planet to the maximum in its many battles for survival.
Nature and life appears to abhor a lifeless vacuum no matter how hard the task — see how the area around Chernobyl has recovered, where life now proliferates, or how Bikini islands corals and the other sea-life has recovered despite what human activities have done (see https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2016/04/060418-chernobyl-wildlife-thirty-year-anniversary-science/ and https://www.livescience.com/2438-bikini-atoll-corals-recovering-atomic-blast.html ) . Also of note is that despite our best effort with antiseptic environments to build spacecraft life still gets in see https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/03/26/nasa_has_a_fungus_problem/ or maybe they are from space — https://www.livescience.com/65294-is-toxic-fungus-in-space-dangerous.html
No it is the deliberate errors of the UN-IPCC that sees only sees humans in a negative light, that for them humans are a degradation to what they (the UN-IPCC ) would wish in their deranged version of a natural order. Humans are part of nature, they are part of the real natural order of life!
Yes, it is the part of the whole paradigm I don’t get — why is life left out of the UN-IPCC’s model, maybe it’s because life is so difficult to accurately quantify because it IS A VARIABLE not a constant. The hubris of the UN-IPCC paradigm is anti-life, anti-nature because the totality of life fails to follow their (the UN’s) rules and assumptions — Nature does not value their ideas of equilibrium, of balance, life just continues on it’s own terms.
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TdeF,
Interesting that CO2 and oxygen are opposites in their “solubilities” in the atmosphere and in the oceans.
Oxygen has a larger “free” presence in the atmosphere than in water.
Cartoon Dioxide has a larger “free” presence in water than in the atmosphere.
It’s almost as if they were mortal enemies being deliberately kept away from each other by some higher presence in their respective kingdoms?
KK
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I also read that CO2 is ‘plant food’. Not a bad analogy for non scientists.
However you need to point out it is the ONLY plant food. The only food for the planet.
Without CO2 plants would quickly die. Along with all life on earth.
It’s nice that a girl can see CO2. Because it means she and we are alive.
In law CO2 is now pollution. What madman came up with that?
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CO2 Nears 400 ppm – Relax! It’s Not Global Warming ‘End Times’ — But Only A ‘Big Yawn’ — Climate Depot Special Report
Renowned Climatologist: ‘You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as doubling carbon dioxide’
‘Scientists note that geologically speaking, the Earth is currently in a ‘CO2 famine’ and that the geologic record reveals that ice ages have occurred when CO2 was at 2000 ppm to as high as 8000 ppm. In addition, peer-reviewed studies have documented that there have been temperatures similar to the present day on Earth when carbon dioxide was up to twenty times higher than today’s levels’
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Agreed. The IPCC has given peer review a very bad name. After all they went to print with the major story that 400 million Indians were going to die from thirst by 2035, 16 years from now. They had no evidence at all. None whatsoever. The Indian government checked of course and measured every glacier. It was nonsense published as peer reviewed IPCC science.
Later they claimed it was a typographical error and meant 2350, but who believes that? Did no one check even the typing? They were happy to broadcast the imminent mass deaths? Where is peer review on 400 million corpses in India? Just a little mistake.
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The very name gives it away. Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change.
It’s not about ecology. Not about saving the forests of Indonesia or the rain forests of Brazil or the tundra of Siberia or Mongolia or even the Great Barrier Reef. It’s whole purpose is to prove and fix CLIMATE CHANGE. Incorporated in the very same year that James Hansen and Al Gore invented man made Global Warming which causes Climate Change.
Also in the name it is not a group of scientists but a government panel, a political organization. So they loved the idea that 400 million Indians were going to die and they hide behind peer review when the conclusions of the reports are not peer reviewed. It only became awkward when the Indian government wanted an explanation and they had no data, no science, no basis for the story at all, peer reviewed or not.
So if man made CO2 does not cause Climate Change, they are all out of a job.
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It’s a crisis all right: ruinable green jobs destroy real jobs –
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/393276/new-cycleway-blamed-for-halving-dairy-owner-s-trade
“Seventeen parking spaces were removed when the new cycleway on Rongotai Road [Wellington] was installed earlier this year. ‘I have lost a lot [of] my regular customers because of the parking, because of the cycle lane,’ Pop-In Candy Store, owner Arun Patel said… ‘My livelihoods are gone now, and I have to find a job somewhere. I’m 58 years old, I don’t know whether I’ll be able to find a job or not,’ he said”.
“The Wellington City Councillor with the cycling infrastructure portfolio, Sarah Free, said she was concerned to hear they had to close and paid them a visit on Friday afternoon. ‘We may not necessarily be able to do more than we’ve already done, but we’d certainly like to know’… The store, which has been around in various guises for about a century, shuts its doors next week”. Bold & italics mine.
It’s an emergency all right: Thredbo NSW, -7˚C and snowing; Alexandra (South Island) -5˚C overnight; Melbourne now has Auckland’s
weatherclimateheatwave (15˚C) except we are in our 6th day in-a-row of calm, cloudless, mid-winter high pressure sunshine – unprecedented! We must take action! So I did: grilled me some bacon, fried me some eggs, mixed-up a special covfefe and enjoyed breakfast in the garden on my first day off in a while… that’s my kind of Sunday ‘action’.90
Melbourne AND Brisbane now has Auckland’s ..crappy winter damp cool weather.
Today is a wee bit better though.
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… so that’s where it’s gone. As long as it stays away from here (Auckland!) for the rest of winter, it will be neat! 🙂
YEAH!
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Tony Heller has pulled the page being posted re French temp and the youtube video.
see new video:
29 Jun: Youtube: 3min56sec: Tony Heller: Will The Real Thermometer Please Stand Up
I posted a couple of videos earlier discussing a claimed record temeprature in France. These were probably based on the wrong station. My apologies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Npn-8H_F3H8
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Hes always good at digging up the dirt on the ‘alarmist’ crap. Good work.
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28 Jun: KXAN Texas: Watermelon crop behind schedule, Texas growers worry ahead of July 4th
by Wes Rapaport
Fields across the state are behind schedule due to weather, meaning peak sales for the summer holiday are in jeopardy statewide, growers say…
Gary Collins first started growing watermelons 66 years ago. This season, he said, has been “pretty rough.”
“Ground was cold, ground was real cold,” Collins said…
“We always try to plant around the first week in March but the ground didn’t warm up this year until the first part of May,” Collins explained…READ ON
https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/watermelon-crop-behind-schedule-texas-growers-worry-ahead-of-july-4th/
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29 Jun: Townhall: Greenland Episode Exposes Repeated Exaggeration of Weather Events
by Vijay Jayaraj
Doomsayers and the news media exaggerate even the slightest decline in Greenland’s ice mass…
“Greenland’s ‘unusual’ melting sea ice captured in stunning image,” read the BBC headlines on June 18, and I had more than 3 notifications to the article on the same day from Google…READ ON
Vijay Jayaraj (M.Sc., Environmental Science, University of East Anglia, England), Research Associate for Developing Countries for the Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation, lives in Bangalore, India.
https://townhall.com/columnists/vijayjayaraj/2019/06/29/greenland-episode-exposes-repeated-exaggeration-of-weather-events-n2549151
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Vijay Jayaraj has another piece at American Thinker. loads of links:
30 Jun: American Thinker: Gone with the Wind: Inefficiency and Hazardous Nature of Wind Energy Impedes Renewable Crusade
by Vijay Jayaraj
Energy generation can also be affected by cold weather and storms. This was the case earlier this year when the cold weather from a polar vortex affected wind operation in America’s Midwest, impacting the only season when wind energy generation is optimum there. Besides rendering them incapable of generating electricity, the cold weather also damages the turbines and other parts.
Canada, a country familiar with cold weather limitations of wind, estimates that cold weather accounts for a loss of $85 million USD annually. The loss is attributed to three main factors: accumulation of ice on wind turbine blades, resulting in reduced power output and increased rotor loads; cold weather shutdown to prevent equipment failure; and limited or reduced access for maintenance activities…
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/06/gone_with_the_wind_inefficiency_and_hazardous_nature_of_wind_energy_impedes_renewable_crusade.html
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Climate is about temperature, wind speed and direction, rain, humidity and lots more and when any extreme weather event happens, such as cyclones, tornadoes, floods etc climate change is blamed. But the only record ever mentioned is temperature.
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The Great Fire of London in 1666, at the depth of the LIA, is a classic example.
It was a hot and dry summer, with the main drought and heatwave beginning on June 27th, August and September were unusually dry. This from the Agricultural Records compiled by J M Stratton.
‘The Great Fire of London broke out on September 12th being fanned with strong east winds, and the excessive heat and drought of the previous months were one of the causes of the tremendous damage caused.”
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Bonn/G20 announcement!
28 Jun: Reuters: Europe’s heatwave consistent with climate change, more to come – U.N.
by Stephanie Nebehay
GENEVA – This year is on track to be among the hottest ever and that would make 2015-2019 the world’s hottest five-year period on record, the World Meteorological Organization said on Friday.
It is too soon to definitely attribute Europe’s current blistering heatwave to climate change but it is “absolutely consistent” with extremes linked to the impact of greenhouse gas emissions, the United Nations agency said.
“Heatwaves will become more intense, they will become more drawn out, they will become more extreme, they will start earlier and they will finish later,” WMO spokeswoman Clare Nullis told a briefing in Geneva.
“We are still only the end of June, but it seems like the earth is set to experience its five warmest years on record, so that is 2015 to 2019 inclusive,” she said. From January to May, 2019 ranked as the third warmest year, she added…
https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN1TT1CO
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28 Jun: MankatoFreePress: Unusually cool spring delays strawberry harvest
By Kevin Dudley
If you’ve been looking to buy locally grown strawberries in southern Minnesota during the last few weeks, you’ve probably had a difficult time…
It is best for strawberries to get about an inch of rain each week. When it comes to temperature, cooler is actually better; however, it will delay the start of picking because the berries need more time to ripen…
The harvesting at Schumacher’s Nursery & Berry Farm began June 24 — significantly later than usual. In a normal year harvest is June 12-15. The latest they have ever started is June 26…
23 Jun: KTBS Louisiana: Truck farmers blame cool, wet spring for late harvest
by Neil Shaw
For decades, the Farmers’ Market in downtown Shreveport can boast that it is one of the best. Fruits and veggies are grown by local producers who then truck the items to this venue where people turn out in droves to browse and purchase.
This year, the crops are a little late in the time frame of being ripe for the picking. These truck farmers had to endure months of cooler than normal growing temperatures and too much rain.
One way to gauge the extra cool and very wet spring’s effect on the truck farming or outlets like the Shreveport Farmers’ Market is to visit and talk with some of the farmers such as Dave Wilson, a truck farmer who operates in Caddo Parish.
“I probably won’t have okra until the end of July or the first of August,” Wilson said.
That’s simply unusual for Northwest Louisiana…
https://www.ktbs.com/news/arklatex-indepth/truck-farmers-blame-cool-wet-spring-for-late-harvest/article_bca138b8-92d3-11e9-8b85-3b7272af28cd.html
26 Jun: BudapestBusinessJournal Hungary: Harvest season to start late this year
The harvest season, traditionally beginning with the harvest of barley, will start at least two weeks later in 2019, for weather-related reasons, says a press release sent to the Budapest Business Journal.
Usually the season kicks off around the last week of June, but due to the cold weather in May, crops are still not ripe, says Gábor Halmos, CEO of state-owned warehousing firm Concordia Közraktár..
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Heatwaves will become more intense, they will become more drawn out, they will become more extreme, they will start earlier and they will finish later,” WMO spokeswoman Clare Nullis told a briefing in Geneva.
The UN (WMO) lieing morons dont ever produce REAL graphs of heatwaves and temps going back over last century because it would show them up as the scamsters they are.
WMO = global liers for the false fake AGW fake hypothesis.
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Google EPA Heatwave Graph … 😉
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the high temps being reported by MSM are the raw temps, aren’t they, not adjusted for UHI?
27 Jun: DailyMail: June could be a record-breaker! Saturday could be hottest June day ever with temperatures topping 96F high as Met Office warns vulnerable people to stay out of the sun
France’s national meteorological service has found an average annual difference between Paris and surrounding rural areas on the order of 2 to 3 degrees Celsius (4 – 5 degrees Fahrenheit).
During a heatwave, ***the difference ‘can reach close to 10 degrees Celsius’, said Meteo-France…
A study published in a March 2018 issue of Physical Review Letters found that the more a city is designed into a square grid pattern, the more it traps heat…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7182327/Britain-BOIL-Commuters-face-muggy-slog-work-Saharan-Bubble-turns-heat-UK.html
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But Pat, in our experience UHI temps are adjusted — UP!
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There was a reason civilizations broke out several thousand years ago around the Mediterranean…Because it was WARMER!
Or should they have really started in Northern Scandinavia..
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behind paywall:
29 Jun: UK Times: Energy giant National Grid is accused of ploy to hit coal-free target
by Emily Gosden
It was hailed as a “watershed moment” by National Grid: Britain’s first 24 hours without burning coal for electricity since the Victorian era.
However, The Times can reveal that managers at the company had to delay a coal plant from being fired up to achieve the headline-grabbing feat.
The decision was disclosed by a whistleblower, who alleged that National Grid may have broken its licence conditions by discriminating against coal and potentially by reducing security of supply. National Grid denies wrongdoing.
The feat was achieved on April 21, 2017, after National Grid’s control room tweeted: “It looks likely that today will be the first ever working day in Britain without coal since the industrial revolution!” Advisers at the company later recommended instructing a coal plant to start up that evening, but managers decided not to in order to achieve the milestone. A leaked email reads: “Please ensure that no coal runs before 00:00 on 22nd April.” The company said it had conducted a “full and thorough investigation” after being confronted with the allegations and “found no breaches of our licence”. It also informed Ofgem, the regulator…
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/4e67e8c4-99ea-11e9-abb4-0b4b1e74d343
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***especially on BBC!
28 Jun: BBC: Extreme weather ***grabs global media headlines
PIC: Hot air sweeping in from northern Africa could see temperatures in Europe hit record highs.
Extreme weather events round the world mean the topic has been top of the news agenda in several countries in 2019. Here’s how it’s been talked about.
A current heatwave in European countries has seen Germany, Poland and the Czech Republic record their highest temperatures for June while temperatures climb above 40C (104F) in places like France and Spain.
Newspaper headlines have described this in rather apocalyptic language…READ ON
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-48785055
More on this story (LINKS):
In pictures: Europe’s June 2019 heatwave
27 June 2019
European heatwave sets new June temperature records
27 June 2019
Europe heatwave: Why are temperatures on the continent soaring?
28 June 2019
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FakeNewsMSM – full of it. you have to love how the MSM everywhere is now acknowledging UHI (even as they promote denser living), but still claim the temps are caused by CAGW:
29 Jun: CNN: Climate crisis: Europe’s cities dangerously unprepared for heat wave hell
By Ivana Kottasová
A scorching heat wave is forcing Europe to realize how dangerously unprepared its cities are for climate emergencies.
Climate change is making heat waves increasingly common and more severe, putting the lives of thousands of vulnerable people at risk.
Hot weather gets deadly in places that are not ready for it…
Temperatures in densely built-up cities tend to be several degrees higher compared to rural and suburban areas. The phenomenon, known as the urban heat island, is caused by the combination of surfaces that trap heat, low airflow, traffic and other heat-producing activities that happen in cities.
The difference tends to get bigger at night, as cities don’t cool down as much as rural areas…
Europe is getting a taste this week of what the climate crisis has in store. Cities were the worst hit…
https://edition.cnn.com/2019/06/29/europe/climate-change-heatwaves-cities-intl/
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And the solution to these heat waves is to blame climate change caused by CO2 increase, and demand more electricity from unreliable sources which will increase the risk of blackouts. Blackouts mean the unavailability of cooling devices such as air conditioners and fans which will mitigate the risk of death from heat waves.
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About time, done and dusted.
“A Comprehensive Debunking Of The Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW) Hypothesis Utilizing Particle Physics First Principles”
https://www.iceagenow.info/debunking-the-catastrophic-anthropogenic-global-warming-hypothesis/
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The nearly 2 million people with diabetes won’t have their eyes, hearts, kidneys and feet saved by this document …
The RACGP has released a position statement on climate change and its impacts on human health.
https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/racgp/where-does-general-practice-sit-in-addressing-clim
The RACGP should stick to its knitting and worry about the fashion parade after you’ve completed the sock.
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Further evidence either you need a mental condition to believe, or, what happens if you do believe …
‘Climate change is also contributing to the burden of mental health problems, from distress to depression … this is associated with changes in both climate and environments.’
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Me thinks that this only a little GREEN PART of the GPs in Australia!
One of the main contributors has been a member for the Greens in NT for 20 years!
https://greens.org.au/magazine/why-im-leaving-gift-greens-my-will
Just another SJW!
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The French are obviously not doing enough to reduce CO2 emissions:). They already drive cars with 1 litre engines and three cylinders, even some with only three wheels. Peugot electric bicycles, there’s the future for the Republik Francaise.
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The new French revolution has begun with the yellow vests
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Don’t forget all the nuclear power stations they have
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One advantage that skeptics of catastrophic warming have is that the USA seems to be particularly sensitive to early climate movements-in either direction, warm or cold. In the 1930s it responded to early 20th century warming with the dust bowl. In the late 20th century it responded to a more active sun, a positive PDO, and some human-induced greenhouse gas warming that got Michael Mann all excited who tried to apply it everywhere, ignored the PDO, and cooled the past going back a thousand years to get his hockeystick.
And there are a alot of scientists there-meaning if things start to cool with a quiet sun, the USA is likely to pick it up very early. It is the most affected by ice ages for the same reason, it’s shape and position is very sensitive to small climate changes. Watch Colorado!
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The continental USA is totally different from continental Australia for the fact that it has large mountain ranges, which affect the climate.
Also much of Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona are above 2000m ASL.
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Yes but there are other things about the USA/North America compared to Australia as well.
North America extends to the poles, unlike Australia, which means advancing Ice and cold snaps are much more severe. It’s between 2 oceans which extend into both hemispheres, and when the Isthmus of Panama closed a few million years ago, some suspect this was the final nail in the coffin for the onset of Ice Ages, with less heat transfer between the Atlantic and Pacific, and the development of the Gulf Stream which triggered much more rainfall in the eastern US, enhancing snow and ice cover there. Because it extends to the Poles, it is more sensitive to solar variability, meaning with the currently quiet sun it should pick up any cooling early. Australia in contract is buffered by the Southern Ocean.
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Interesting outline.
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The southern hemisphere is controlled by the circum-antarctic current also, which makes it totally different to the NH. And the Sth Pole is land, a large continent, not floating ice.
THis makes it obvious
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/orthographic=-300.19,-89.52,311
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The overwhelming difference is the complete lack of land below 42Latitude. This is Chicago. Rome. Hokkaido. Even London is at 50North. There is so much more land in the Northern Hemisphere and it gets much hotter in summer. That is why Captain Cook’s quest on his three circumnavigations of the Southern Oceans was to find the Great Southern Land, which ends up as Australia. It’s not enough.
Basically the ice in the ice ages reached to 40 degrees. It would cover Canada and half of America. It would cover Europe and Russia. It would affect Tasmania. The rest of Australia would be ice free.
So the hemispheres are completely different. I do not see how the alleged Global Warming affects them equally? For example we have a huge hole in the Ozone layer even though there are no people in the bottom third of the planet and no reason to expect aerosols or refrigerants to be the cause. If they were, the ozone hole would be in the Northern Hemisphere. I also cannot see how they just bolt Southern Hemisphere records onto Northern Hemisphere records to establish a planetary temperature. Still, when you are making it up, the method matches the madness.
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I would totally agree!
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The gradual closing of the Isthmus made the Atlantic more salty than the Pacific, which may have kick started the conveyor belt.
Tropical Africa became more arid, forcing the gracile apes out onto the savannah to scavenge. Climate change made us.
Looking ahead, terraforming might be in order, new canals to stave off the next glaciation.
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Even Siberia gets hot in summer.
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And the days are very long, which is why life flourishes and all the animals head north. It’s really amazing, summer in Siberia. You would never dream of the winter to come, until you see the young saplings growing in a U shape and realise they have just been through something devastating.
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In May Siberia was hot and Europe was cold. Now the weather pattern has flip flopped and Siberia is cold and Europe is hot. Northern Scandinavia however has remained colder than normal through May and June.
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I’ll raise your French heatwave one: The Guardian has a story that mussels are being cooked in their shells at a beach in California during a local heatwave!
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/28/california-mussels-cooked-heat
Lol.
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Huh????
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“on the border between Montana and Wyoming in Canada” How can it be in Canada? Montana and Wyoming are in the USA last I heard!
John
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What I don’t understand is why competent people are having such a difficult time pinning down the location of stations which recorded records. Tony Heller, Anthony Watts, and others are having a heck of a time trying to find the exact locations of these stations in France.
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I’m sure the BoM is not the only such agency that has doctored or deleted past temperature recordings that would reveal An Inconvenient Truth
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I’m sure the BoM is not the only such agency that has doctored or deleted past temperature recordings that would reveal An Inconvenient Truth
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The Brisbane Telegraph had an article on the 30th of August, 1930 which reported temperatures reaching 122 degrees Farenheit in the Loire Valley. That’s 50 degrees Celcius, over 4 degrees hotter than reported by the MSM for last week.
From RealClimateScience.com
Archived article
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We are in Provence at the moment (in a lovely villa with a big, private, garden and a 12m swimming pool). Temperatures are comparable with Penrith in mid summer (which it is here), in the mid 30’s. Certainly where we are is about 10 degrees of latitude further from the equator than Penrith and, yes it is hot, but it was just about the same when we were here three years ago.
Looking at the synoptic map, there Is a group of areas of high pressure clustered over N. Africa, the Mediterranean, and S. France with a slow movement of air north from Africa. Going to go on for another few days too, by the look of it.
Oh, well! Time for another skinny dip!
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My observations are that the highs and lows are tracking across the planet more slowly than a decade ago so when the wind blows from the Sahara it tends to run for more days so each successive day becomes hotter. The converse then occurs but the press seem to ignore the colder than normal events because they know it’s just the way weather goes.
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Rest assured, if it snow in Yellowstone, about 8,000ft, Beartooth Pass has snow too being a few feet shy of 11,000ft. Not a pass at all, top of the mountain! Every bit as scenic as Going to Sun Road in Waterton-Glacier.
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What a bunch of mindless idiots in these comments. No matter what evidence is shown, the same denial is repeated like clockwork. You just cherry-pick every weather event as “climate alarmism” and ignore the obvious trends. You must be a low-I.Q. bunch.
Do you think scientists are wrong about the behavior of other molecules besides CO2? How many of you are closet flat-Earthers?
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Great to have you along Jack. Keep asking questions and you’ll catch up. 🙂
The only people who use random weather events as “proof” of climate change are the believers.
I like to highlight the way the media is screwing with your head…
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No says:
“I like to highlight the way the media is screwing with your head…”.
And haven’t they done a superb job of it.
Lionell gave a great outline of this phenomenon which is all about the very human trait of blindly trusting the guy next to you in the group without being aware that he is looking so confident because he’s feeding off your presence as confirmation of group purpose.
Perhaps the message is : be your own leader.
If you let others drag you around by the nose, you may be seen as a Donkey.
And speaking of “other molecules” I’ll bet Jack doesn’t even know where Londinium is on the Periodic Table nor it’s valence.
KK
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Jo
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Jack C:
Try reading Jack Eddy’s paper on the Maunder minimum (about 1976 in Nature). He relates the changes in solar activity with Climate changes. In particular how temperature falls when the sun has little or no sun spots. Then check the figures about sunspots in the latest solar cycle.
Bear in mind that the sun is a mainline star, which astronomers believe can vary up to 4% in radiance. Feel free to check that too, but with astronomers not people claiming to be climate scientists (many of them lack basic science qualifications).
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Hi Graeme,
“Try reading Jack Eddy’s paper on the,,,,”
I think you’re being a little bit too hopeful there with regards to both capacity and intent.
KK
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“Do you think scientists are wrong about the behaviour of other molecules besides CO2?”
REAL scientists KNOW that increased atmospheric CO2 does not cause any significant warming (or in fact, any at all)
“No matter what evidence is shown”
Come on Jack, be a big man and show us the empirical evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2.
Until then, you are nothing but an empty sock !
“Obvious trends”
You mean like the fact that we are very much at a cool period in the last 10,000 years
You mean the zero acceleration in any tide gauges,
You mean the ZERO WARMING trends between the ONLY warming in the last 40 years at El Nino events?
You mean the ZERO TREND in Arctic sea ice in the last 10-12 years as the AMO rolls over the top towards it cooling period.
Are those the “obvious trends” you are talking about ???
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This analysis of the heatwave in France by Roy Spenser, is a tad late but worth looking at.
The MSM were so keen to tell us about that heat wave last week
But how many of them told us about the coldwave immediately next door in Eastern Europe ?
EXACTLY NONE !
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/02/record-high-temperatures-in-france-3-facts-the-media-dont-tell-you/
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I am told by family in Colorado that some of the ski resorts are planning to stay open throughout the summer. They are mostly closed by this time of the year. This is the first time in decades since that has happened.
Colorado also has a large number of people participating in outdoor sports – hiking, mountain bike races, Iron Man triathlons, etc. A number of them have been cancelled this summer due to avalanche (snow, not rockslide) danger.
Manmade global warming due to CO2 emissions, indeed (/sarc). Cheers –
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