So some people have a mental illness. Unbridled, baseless Climate-Panic makes that worse. Now those victims are advertising material:
Climate Despair is making people give up on life
Mike Pearl, Vice.
There’s nothing like a bit of unprecedented misery made possible by unprecedented history denial:
“This is painful,” [Renee] Lertzman said. “It’s super painful to be a human being right now at this point in history.”
We live longer than ever, are richer than ever, fly all over the world, and one of our biggest fears is losing our mobile phone. This article is wholly so far gone past the Rubicon that it makes Michael Mann look sensible. Seriously, by reviewing apocalyptic books and stories from mental health wards, the man who brought hockey-stick hype to the world appears to be the most normal person in the room.
This article is doing its best to normalize climate-depressive-obsession.
Step 1: pick one graphic tale
Suddenly, she was contemplating self-harm. “Though I don’t think I would have hurt myself, I didn’t know how to live with the fear of… the apocalypse, I guess? My son was home with me and I had to call my friend over to watch him because I couldn’t even look at him without breaking down,” Ruttan Walker said. She eventually checked herself into an overnight mental health facility.
Step 2: do a sweeping generalization
Her case is extreme, but many people are suffering from what could be called “climate despair,” a sense that climate change is an unstoppable force that will render humanity extinct…
People are suffering from climate despair. Journalists are suffering from a lack of any supporting data, too. Coincidence?
Total supporting observations here: one group letter from Swedish psychologists, a teenage girl, plus a grab bag of anecdotes with no evidence to suggest that their mental illness was due to “climate” change.
Most of the article is just mere speculation, the rest is worse:
This despair could be a consequence of climate change being on more people’s minds than ever before.
No kidding. Probably due to stories like this one.
The article helps readers find the most bleak of bleak books, like The Uninhabitable Earth, or worse:
But nothing compares to the intense viral bleakness of Deep Adaptation: A Map for Navigating Climate Tragedy, by Cumbria University professor Jem Bendell, a 2018 paper that Bendell self-published after an academic journal declined to publish it. The paper argues that total societal collapse is on its way, and describes life in the midst of that collapse with vivid sentences like, “You will fear being violently killed before starving to death.” The paper was so powerful that people have credited it for sending them to therapy or quitting their jobs to live closer to nature.
Then author MikePearl manages the impossible — makes Michael Mann look sensible
Nice advertising for Michael Mann as well as the Religion.:
These feelings can be powerful, but they aren’t grounded in hard science. [You mean like Michael Mann is?]
Michael Mann, the Penn State climatologist often credited for helping bring the public’s attention to the historical trends that are central to our understanding of climate change, calls this perspective “doomism,” and he wanted to make it clear the evidence doesn’t support it. “Unfortunately there’s some bad science behind much of the ‘doomism,'” he said. “There is no need to exaggerate or misstate what the science has to say.”
No need indeed, except when you need to hide a decline and bury the last 40 years of tree ring data.
When you need a heart surgeon get a heart surgeon, but when you need a therapist, find a believer:
For these patients, one important first step seems to be simply finding a therapist who acknowledges upfront that climate change isn’t a manifestation of mental illness.
According to Ruttan Walker, the activist who had the crisis in 2015, the perfect therapist would recognize that yes, mental illness is the problem at hand, but would simultaneously recognize the “enormity of the climate crisis.”
They might give you handy clues like this:
… there’s another, much older and simpler way to process despair. Give into it for a moment. Cry it out. Let yourself acknowledge how fucking bad it all is, and how a lot of it is never, ever getting better. In short: grieve.
If they asked people with a proven track record of being immune from climate despair — they’d ask a skeptic. Jo Nova recommends reading real history books as a way of feeling jubilantly thrilled for being born during a non-event non-crisis with decades of what was actually pretty good weather.
Failing that, read a skeptic blog!
Uff da!
What becomes of people that are so off the rails?
Twenty years out, do they simply meld back into the general population? When the crisis of the year fails to arrive, do they move to a new one?
One interesting thing is that some of the 15 year olds of today will be around in 2100 to comment on their mental health in 2019. Wish I could listen.
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I really wonder why in today’s world there are so many people with mental illness.
We live in possibly the best of times in all of history, where today’s poor would be considered yesterday’s wealthy. Yet people now seem to suffer mentally and rather than physically, as they did previously.
And it’s not just climate change mental illness, but all manner of issues that people never even imagined previously. Does lack of real physical hardship contribute to dissatisfaction with life and thus leads to mental illness?
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I think it is mainly a total lack of a real education. An education that makes people actually think for themselves rather than taking anything said by someone in apparent authority as gospel.
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Indeed, when someone without the ability to think for oneself is told that they “have a mental illness” (or should have one), then that is exactly what they have because they have been conditioned to believe it, unconditionally.
This condition isn’t caused by “Climate Change™” but a lack of resilience, which has never been taught nor practiced.
If the “trigger” is not “Climate Change™”, it will be something else (whatever the next “Catastrofad™” happens to be).
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If inflicting propaganda upon the most vulnerable of society makes them take thier own lives, surely thats a form of eugenics at work?
At a minimum, it appears to be a form of abuse….
In fact, it seems the propagandaists appear to target women deliberately, as women seem more inclined to want to do the right thing, especially within a community setting of “doing their bit”. So if soft selling the drip-drip-drip of climate propaganda to influence women ( and through them, wider society ) its actually a broader form of abuse, but it falls much heavier on women.
I wonder if we took that concept to a few rabid lefties and presented it , how they would react? I suspect just as the Bolsheviks slaughtered the Romanov family ( which included women ) they would likely laugh it off….the Cause, Comrade…the Cause….
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When media uses every extreme weather experience as an opportunity to push a government agenda, vulnerable, frightened people, with limited education, are easy to con.
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I put the blame on drugs.
Legal drugs, illegal drugs, prescribed drugs, recreational drugs, all of them.
I’ll be the first to admit that many prescribed drugs, especially when they are prescribed appropriately, have more benefits than the opposite.
However, there surely is not a time in history when the use of drugs has been less prevalent. Perhaps in some cultures, where hullucinogens were common, but then in that situation life was harsh, brutal, and short.
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We’re out of our mescaline minds
Digging that we seem to be three of a kind
Having, such a good time
http://www.retrospace.org/2008/07/helen-reddy-drug-reference.html
Lithium was/is used as an anti-depressant for some: now Gang-Green/Red reckon it’s gonna save the planet Janet!
lithium (noun) chemical element of atomic number 3, a soft silver-white metal, the lightest of the alkali metals (Symbol: Li) • lithium carbonate or another lithium salt used as a mood-stabilizing drug. ORIGIN early 19th century, modern Latin from Greek, neuter of litheios, from lithos ‘stone’.
Talking of… from Van ‘the man’ Morrison’s Moondance, ‘And It Stoned Me‘ ~
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYqJtqyeilE
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‘I put the blame on drugs.’ Nah, too many Lattes..
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… that’s depressing …
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It may well have something to do with the fact that all the mental hospitals were closed down in the 80s and 90s. The inmates were put out into the community and supposedly treated with drugs to keep them functioning. The numbers in the community have continued to increase and none of them receive proper treatment.
Accordingly, they’re very vulnerable to manipulation. The green Marxists are particularly skilled at using the vulnerable as cannon fodder.
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I’d always reasoned the climate scare and mental illness went together like Tourette’s and social awkwardness.
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“I really wonder why in today’s world there are so many people with mental illness.”
Say’s law: the law of markets, states that “Supply creates its own demand”; in classical economics,that aggregate production necessarily precedes an equal quantity of aggregate demand.
So it is with mental illness. In the Age of the Selfie, matters that used to be handled by the parish priest or village witch-doctor have been taken over by entities determined to medicalize every aspect of human existence, such as psychologists/therapists/psychiatrists and the state, thereby neutering the function of old-time religion. How much easier life was when one could blame bad weather on witches instead of cranial synapses.
No accident, of course, that psychologists – such as Steffen Lewandowsky (Bristol) et al – are, together with the medical profession, both emphatic climate alarmists.
Alice’s Law: “Every profession strives to extend its sphere of influence unless acted on by an equal and opposite force, such as skepticism or lack of a marketing budget.”
BBC NEWS: (12 July, 2019) People Fixing the World: The school that puts well-being first
“On average, one in eight children in the UK has a mental health disorder – that’s about three children in every classroom. Yet there are just 4.5 psychiatrists for every 100,000 young people – that’s fewer than most other European countries. With the UK’s mental health provision for children so stretched, help often ends up coming from families and schools.
One school in London has actively taken up this challenge. Highgate Primary School has developed a unique system in which dozens of children can get one-to-one sessions with trainee therapists, while some struggling parents are also offered support. The school has redesigned its playground so children can find areas that fit their mood, and it has given over more time to activities such as gardening, cooking and drama.
This programme features some of the children that have benefited from these ideas.
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It mostly a case of no context. If you’ve never been sad, how do you know when you’re happy?
Medicine is starting to acknowledge the lack of challenge to kids immune systems, could be playing a role in allergies.
Some people think the same thing might be happening with mental health.
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Her case is extreme, but many people are suffering from what could be called “climate despair,” a sense that
climate change isThe Greens are anunstoppableunscientific force that will render humanityextinct…neolithic.I think that’s what the original author intended to write.
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I wonder if this woman is feeling better now Canada is in the deep freeze in it’s normal Summer ?
Or is it just something else for her to worrit about ?
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Youre presupposing greens actually think…..
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There’s plenty of heat in Canada right now Bill. It’s easy to get bent by confirmation bias when you start seeing reports of anom-cold events, but Canada is anything but in a “deep freeze” at present.
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On June 4th it was 3.5 degrees C. in Ottawa, Canada
( As reported by the Ice Age web site…)
And also reported by Electroverse
https://electroverse.net/?s=canada
If Canada has thawed out since in July
Canada’s Summer,
Then clearly they’ve been blessed by
Ms Gore Bull Warming’s presence..
🙂
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I love their analogy.
It should be:
If you need a heart surgeon go to a heart surgeon… except when you really need to go to a therapist.
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More scares
“Delingpole: ‘Climategate Was Fake News,’ Lies the BBC…”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/07/11/bbc-tries-airbrush-climategate-out-history/
Aped by the ABC in 3, 2, 1 (?)
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This article by Delingpole is right on the mark!
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More scares!!
“Something’s Rotten in D.C., and It Isn’t Those Rain Totals”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/11/somethings-rotten-in-d-c-and-it-isnt-those-rain-totals/
“If I were to sum up this nonsense in one sentence I’d say, “There’s something rotten in D.C., and it isn’t those rainfall totals, it’s clueless politicians.” ”
Rinse and repeat for the city of your choice
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“Climate Scam Collapse Continues”
https://realclimatescience.com/2019/07/climate-scam-collapse-continues/
“Meanwhile, they are building hundreds of new coal fired power plants, in a “dramatic step to fight climate change” – as NPR describes it.”
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We should send all of these people to a nudist camp in Antarctica for treatment.
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Might be a short exposure.
Many years ago in a radio interview with an Antarctic researcher the question was posed
“How do you handle being caught short in the field?”
“Very quickly”
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Spot on Jo, and this is a far bigger problem than the world at large realises.
Nihilism is replacing aspiration.
The US in the 50s vs now.
Thanks to every one of those miserable, low life, scum sucking bottom feeders that perpetuate the bullsh!t lie about AGW.
They will ALL get what they deserve – an eternity of public damnation courtesy of the internet and Wikipedia.
What a legacy to leave behind….
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Antoine D’A, sorry but I don’t agree with your second last sentence. IMO no one will get called to account – the perpetrators will just slink away because they haven’t got the guts to admit fault, and the MSM will deny complicity and airbrush the whole saga away and move on to the next topic de jour.
Unless, of course, Trump wins in a landslide in 2020, when he will have the national, if not global, support he needs to rip the perpetrators to shreds and dismantle the vast network of funders, supporters and fellow-travellers that have worked ceaselessly to undermine the West, including I hope the UNFCCC and all its tentacles. As far as I can see only a truly independent, powerful and single-minded person like president Trump can do this. Nigel Farage is doing the same thing with Brexit in the UK. They are both wealthy self-made men who believe in free enterprise and the freedom of the individual rather than the state. History goes in cycles, and I think (and hope) the West’s political pendulum has begun to swing to the right at last. I sincerely hope so, for the sake of my children and grandchildren.
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I helped customers of mine with de-brainwashing a kid who was threatening suicide because climate change. Looks like she’ll be ok. They were determined to take legal action against the school that was the primary source of the abuse. The parents have the resources and the willpower to do it, and I will assist. I think they may still present the school with a private warning, followed by a very public one if they don’t respond appropriately. The school might try using the Nuremberg defence, but the way things are here in Queensland at the moment, they might wise up.
You can’t win this battle by lying down. That will simply continue the abuse.
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Thanks for the info, Martin, but I am not surprised that impressionable young children are responding this way. A 5 yo relative of mine told me that seahorses were ‘going extinct’, even though at her age she can hardly understand such a concept. I tried to reason with her but she cried and said that her teacher told her so it must be true. I’m glad that I am well past having to deal with this sort of ugliness. I hate to think what problems it will cause young people later in life. As I say to people, I grew up in the UK during the Cold War with its REAL threat of nuclear war, but I and my peers were not bombarded with such hysteria, just sensible warnings and basic precautions from the government.
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I just keep telling my child that the teachers have to tell them nonsense, because the govt puts climate nonsense in the curriculum, and they have to teach it by law. Its not the teachers fault. Teachers must be honoured.
Point out the teacher is the good guy, the govt is the root cause of the issue.
Could it be classified hypothetically as a form of ritualized, systemic, mental ab*se?
As one person put it once :
“How a society treats its most vulnerable is how it would treat the treat of us if it could.”
Now thats sobering….
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Good viewpoint.
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Revealed: The bizarre plan to spend $400million of YOUR money on ‘fake clouds’ to save the Great Barrier Reef
Bizarre $400million tax-payer funded plan to save Great Barrier Reef is revealed
Great Barrier Reef Foundation devised the forward-thinking reef restoration plan
Creating shade through clouds, mist, fog, or surface films have been suggested
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7236873/The-bizarre-plan-spend-400million-money-fake-clouds-save-Great-Barrier-Reef.html
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Federal Government spending $2.2m on giant ocean fans in bid to protect Great Barrier Reef
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-12-07/reef-fans-to-be-deployed-to-protect-coral-from-bleaching/9234710
Madness on steroids.
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Thanks Kevin. When I search the report I can only find $1.6m dollars for “Solar Radiation cover”. Though there looks like a lot of fluffy money going on “traditional owner” consultation.
The Report
an Executive Summary and the full 2019-2020 Annual Work Plan, on the GBRF website.
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Another serious dose of climate diarrhea, any form of creating shade through clouds, mist, fog, or surface films is absolute madness typical of those with too much funding, no idea how to waste it (= just ask any civil servant or politician!) and no concept of engineering or size!
The reef is 2,300 km long and 350,000 square km, $400 million is literally a drop in the ocean at that scale i.e. add 2? nah make it 3 zeros!
Worst is they have no idea what the consequences of such a large intervention would do!
God save us from these idiots!!
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As bleaching is caused by falling sea level and not warm water it might be feasible to surround the GBR with a brick wall.
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Why not a beautiful dry stone wall, it would be worth every cent! 🙂
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Labour intensive, so money well spent. Should pass due diligence if the politicians can be convinced that it would be turned into a huge swimming pool for the masses, and an admission fee.
With global cooling the sea level will fall and corals bleach, I can see no other alternative other than save the best remnants.
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It has already done this. It fell 2m from about 4000 years ago. As Peter Ridd has pointed out, coral systems are probably the best at handling change.
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Yes they are very adaptable and I was being facetious about the wall, the GBR will easily survive a mini ice age drop in sea level, without human intervention.
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As the best cure for climate despair,
First admit you were never all there,
For going deranged,
Fretting climate had changed,
And of false warmest prophets beware.
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I wonder how they will bury this study
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-11/scientists-finland-japan-man-made-climate-change-doesnt-exist-practice
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Buried = never reffered to, ignored.
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Not quite:
onethreefivetentwelvefifteen years later the BBC will claim it never happened, there was no such thing, it was a lie.30
Obviously, if you don’t “believe” in doomsday global warming, you aren’t about to consider this response …
2010: Baby survives parents’ global warming suicide pact –
A seven-month-old girl survived for three days alone with a bullet in her chest after being shot by her parents as part of a suicide pact over their fears about global warming.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/southamerica/argentina/7344329/Baby-survives-parents-global-warming-suicide-pact.html
via: Climate Alarmists Need to Get Real Lives, Real Facts
https://www.newsmax.com/larrybell/psychology-anxiety-ippr-berlau/2019/07/01/id/922809/
Michael Mann just cries …
“Still, he noted in a recent video that he does occasionally cry when he talks to an audience of young people about the “denial industry,” and how it has misled people about the “greatest challenge we face as a civilization.”
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/07/weight-of-the-world-climate-change-scientist-grief/
Meh? I just laugh them and hope they suffer a million times more misery than they wish to impose on me with their fake, failed apocalypse.
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Baby survives parents’ global warming suicide pact –
That is one GOOD reason that the IPCC and ALL scientist scammers of the warming myth scam should face the ICC!
The scam/myth will kill people not any (fake) warming.
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Madness, madness, they call it madness…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dc3AovUZgvo
“One of Madness’ true anthems, ‘Baggy Trousers‘ captured the imagination of kids and parents all over the UK when it was released in 1980. The video, which begins with that unmistakeable ‘ding-a-ling-a-ling’, finds Madness back at school remembering the fun they had. According to the song all Madness learned at school was ‘how to bend, not break the rules‘ and they’ve been doing it ever since”.
The kids are all right – well, some of ’em, specially them that darn believe wot teacher tells ’em, eh Guv, aw riot?
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Jo, really ?
Since when has Vice been thought a worthwhile media mob ?
Even SBS has given up on it.
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You may not have noticed that this is a satirical blog and Jo it poking Vice in the eye with a burnt stick.
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Yes E G I did notice that aspect of Jo’s post.
But I am just ‘mentally ill’,
And very angry
At all the BS put around by the media.
Including this Vice mob
Who I chose not to ever look at years ago.
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‘At all the BS put around by the media.’
The main fault lays with the ABC, who blatantly ignore their charter and legally we can’t touch them. So the organisation needs to be humiliated.
Don’t know if you get Sky News? They speak our language.
The new kid on the block with a similar bent is Catalano, who has just snapped up the old rural press in NSW. Already the journalists are showing a willingness to bring the stable to the centre.
In this way, slowly but surely, auntie will be dragged back to the centre. Looking at the world as it exists, without blinkers, will see journalism regain its rightly place as part of the intelligentsia.
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Hmmmm….
I hope you’re right.
But why am I sceptical?
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I guess that when we describe these believers as loonies it will pass the Mod.
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So ‘Climate Change™’ (aka Global Warming) is all predicated on the climate models projecting far into the future. Well the model are grossly wrong, and there is not a good method of finding out how wrong regardless of what Hansen, Mann, or any other alarmist says …
From a comment by ‘Gator’ at https://realclimatescience.com/2019/07/climate-scam-collapse-continues/#comment-234479
The models can not accurately project (predict) one year into the future.
The whole ‘Climate Change™’ (aka Global Warming) is a $cam to make you feel very guilty about existing while taking your money, and gaining power over you by the UN and many, many politicians (and government bureaucrats).
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So climate worriers stop it, its pointless. NO ONE can predict the weather or climate 100 years into the future, those that say they can are just ídiots.
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True, BUT it still presents GHG warming of some degree. The equations he produces albeit from the ‘climate (fake) models’ are full of majic numbers and delta this and that with summation fractions that may or not have ant real physical meaning. The equation MAY be true mathematically BUT it doesnt represent the real geophysical atmosphere. Reminds me of astrophysical papers with VERY complex equations that are based on assumptions that are probably untrue (except to the authors).
The ASSUMPTIONS are usually the problem not the maths as such.
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I agree with your points theRealUniverse,
but IMO the real point he makes is that the climate models are orders of magnitude out even if you take the modelers assumption as gospel.
I also think he has a point when he confronts modeler who are referring the paper, and he shows them their basic understanding of what the graph portray.
Around 37:30minutes he says something like
So effectively he show that the scientific method is very broken as the peer-reviewers are much less competent than the person submitting the paper. How can science move forward with such and ídiotic regime?
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Oops,
I also think he has a point when he confronts those modelers who are
referringreviewing the paper, and he shows them their basic understanding of what the graph portray.30
Yes true tomo
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Don’t forget the cartoon of an equation like that on the blackboard with the highly mathematical term towards the middle which reads
“And here a miracle happens”
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Its getting near criminal proportions. Its evil. An evil agenda started by criminals. Must be exposed.
Hopefully nature will expose it for them.
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These people are aliens they are not normal. They think they are like some ancient Egyptian god shining down on the rest of us ‘minnions’ who should do as they say or else.
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I think they are in for a rude suprise….
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I agree…it really is criminal.
If governments around the world weren’t totally captured by the hocus pocus due to a toxic mix of laziness..lack of intellectual rigor…lust for the ultimate power and terminal gutlessness…then…commonsense and some real inquiries instead of the brazenly sham inquiries the UK governments in particular along with others…have insulted the world with…would have pushed the witchdoctors back in their box before they had the chance to screw with the minds of the world’s children and vulnerable people.
I wouldn’t hold my breath but it looks as though Mann might be seeing a reckoning on the horizon…and may be trying to buy some cover.
Western ‘scientists’ who flogged this scam have heard ad nauseam …in each of their countries…their respective government dupes buy their own personal insurance by saying ‘we believe the science/scientists’…and therefore should be on notice that there’s no hiding place for those scientists themselves.
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Great analysis Truth. You got the motivation that guides our political system.
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Politician: The “scientist” made me steal their wallet, Your Honour.
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It’s just evolution at work Truth
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Maybe we should let the situation develop and give Dsrwin’s “survival of the fittest” free rein. It will solve the problem in time.
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‘I didn’t know how to live with the fear of… the apocalypse, I guess?’
The root cause of AGW scaremongering is to be found in Revelations and Millenarian madness, its right on time.
Flagellation anyone?
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There is a business opportunity there
For leather whip makers !
I imagine St. Greta
Could offer to bless them as well
🙂
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See my comment from Wednesday re flagellants’ efforts to “mitigate the divine judgment that they felt to be at hand” via Britannica link –
http://joannenova.com.au/2019/07/falling-sea-levels-bleach-corals-hear-from-jen-marohasy-in-maroochydore-sunday/#comment-2161761
“There could be a business opportunity selling whips to the young, green and foolish on Greta’s Action Fridays, especially those ‘with thongs of oxtail, leather, or parchment strips, some being weighted with lead’. Maybe a little lithium?”
The ox-tail and cow-hide versions would really ‘cure’ those pure-as-driven-snow veganauts from planet Veg, or was it planet Nought? Add a little lithium and stone the crows!
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I ache from the plight of these poor people.
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Well, my sides ache, anyway.
Doctor says, “Too much LAUGHING”
Frankly, my dear, I just don’t give a damn…
… how much despair and anguish they bring upon themselves.
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I keep hoping these misfits never gain access to firearms….
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ABSOLUTE PROOF OF THE CLIMATE SCAM
An article..
“By now, anybody who follows “climate” news knows that “global warming” has been what the alarmist’s call the “pause” for 18 years and counting, despite ongoing increases in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere.
Today’s CO2 concentrations worldwide average about 380 parts per million. This level of CO2 concentration is trivial compared with the concentrations during earlier geologic periods.
460 million years ago, during the Ordovician Period, CO2 concentrations were 4,400 ppm, and temperatures then were about the same as they are today. With such high levels of CO2, the Earth should have been boiling.”
Contrary to the oft-repeated mantra of the media and the so-called “experts” that today’s CO2 concentrations are unprecedented, our current geologic period, the Quaternary, has seen the lowest average levels of carbon dioxide in the Earth’s long history.”
SLAM DUNK PROOF! There is no absolutely no,zero, argument that CO2 does anything.
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Link
https://www.cfact.org/2019/07/10/going-green-worldwide-would-be-a-greater-challenge-than-going-to-the-moon/
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Personally, I’m very depressed about the refusal to address what is obviously a problem, one which needs global cooperation to address.
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Totally agree with you, we are totally unprepared for global cooling. Fortunately the extra industrial CO2 should put the world in good stead. greening up the planet is going to save our goose.
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To agree with the cooling hypothesis, how much of of the science in the global warming hypothesis do you have to discard?
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The so called hiatus in world temperatures, two decades where CO2 has risen alarmingly, suggests the AGW hypothesis is badly flawed. So we can say that CO2 is not a temperature control knob.
That is to say this minute trace gas is not a pollutant to be demonised. So all the climate science written over the past thirty years is highly suspect if it mentions global warming or human induced climate change.
Can you give me an example of a contemporary AGW signal in our part of the world? I’ll counter with a natural cooling signal, like the glacial advance in the NZ alps.
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I do not see that hiatus, El G. What I do see is a series of El Nino events with ’97 being a massive one. if the hiatus was true, you should be able to use the 2000 year as your start point and see the exact same slope. The fact that if you did that you would see the underlying warming trend, invalidates the hiatus argument.
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Okay start points are important, maybe Andy can come up with a graph, but Beijing says there is a hiatus and who am I to disagree with real scientists.
https://www.thegwpf.com/china-and-the-pause/
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Two zero trends, separating the El Ninos
El Ninos ARE NOT caused by any human influence.
Many places actually have experienced NO WARMING since the 1940’s
https://i.postimg.cc/fTYk2zrk/Instrumental-Temperatures-World-10-Regions-1900-2010-Lansner-and.jpg
Japan has had ZERO WARMING this century.
https://i.postimg.cc/hvtxRkwv/Japan_post_1998.png
India: Temperatures barely moving despite massive urbanisation and population growth.
https://i.postimg.cc/Wbsj15HC/India-Temperatures.png
Australia UAH since 1996
https://i.postimg.cc/8zp4JBjZ/Australia-20-years.png
Central China
https://i1.wp.com/notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Instrumental-Temperatures-Central-China-1900-2010-Lansner-and-Pepke-Pedersen-2018.jpg
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Educate yourself. PF
Open up your brain-washed mind.
https://iowaclimate.org/2018/05/10/81-graphs-from-62-new-2018-papers-invalidate-claims-of-unprecedented-global-scale-modern-warming/
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Very good.
Interesting, many of the ones from China show its getting colder in China. I know the winters are quite allot colder there now.
So is Greenland, sorry alarmists, your North Atlantic temps are heading ….South!!!
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Since 1860, the bottom of the last snap freeze, there have been three hiati.
If the hiatus was true, you should be able to use the 1860 year as your start point and see the exact same migration rate. Starving Irish immigrants were keen to get to Australia because of the promise of good weather and therefore reliable food production. The fact that if you did that you would see the underlying warming trend, invalidates the hiatus argument.
The other two hiati got lost in the backslope.
Can anyone find a link for that.
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and another one:
“No Experimantal Evidence-for the Significant Anthropogenic Climate Change”
Don’t forget: hurricanes, typhoons and tropical cyclones are caused by the Solar Wind and have no association whatsoever with CO2.
If you do want something to panic about Peter, theres https://magneticreversal.org which nobody is paying any attention to. It’s going to have far more effect — potentially fatal for a number of species including the human species — than any climate crisis so far declared. It’s going to happen this century — if Berkley’s physicists are right.
Do something useful: Get out there and “raise awareness” of the magnetic reversal.
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“Get out there and “raise awareness” of the magnetic reversal.”
Perhaps if PF can think of enough economy destroying garbage ideas, he may even think he can do something about it.
Just so long as it stops modern western civilisation and leads to rampant totalitarian marxism, where PF thinks he might actually be of some relevance.
That is the aim, isn’t it ?
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Let’s just put forward the hypothesis that the magnetic reversal is caused by all huge wind turbine magnets being used around the world. 😉
It MUST be correct in PF’s zero-evidence little world.
Should send PF into a even deeper fit of total and utter panic. ! 🙂
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Oh no Peter. If the 97/98 El Nino is left out and the start point is 2000, then it’s a cooling trend until the 2015 El Nino.
In fact, Dr Phil Jones of the East Anglia CRU said, in a BBC interview in 2008, that “it’s been cooling since 2003 to date …” (meaning 2008). He very quickly added “that it isn’t statistically significant” … probably to prevent his friends from shouting at him.
Let’s make up our own temperature record, shall we? (GISS do this) Then we can argue about it.
So what’s it to be? Warming? Cooling? or a Pause? I say Cooling.
Chris deFreitus of Auckland Uni had this to say in his 2014 paper :
A Reanalysis of Long-Term Surface Air Temperature Trends in New Zealand “We have derived a mean land surface air temperature trend for New Zealand over the past century of 0.28±0.29 °C per century,” So he supports a small about of warning. NIWA keep telling the government about a rise of 0.9 °C. They like to be fashionable …
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‘So what’s it to be? Warming? Cooling? or a Pause? I say Cooling.’
There was warming late last century, then temperatures flat lined for a couple of decades. We are on a high plateau with a quiet sun in the heavens, it should become cool.
The debate on the cause of the cooling, an increase in low cloud cover, will be hotly contested. The cosmic ray bombardment theory has merit, but my money is on Stephen Wilde’s hypothesis, a meandering jet stream can potentially make more cloud faster.
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“how much of the science in the global warming hypothesis do you have to discard?”
What “science of the global warming hypothesis” are you yabbering about?
There is none. It is a FAILED hypothesis.
You can’t even provide any science to support the very basis of the whole FARCE.
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Do you think this is hyperbole?
“We need to help people stay fed and watered where they live already to reduce disruption and reduce civil unrest as much as we can.” Of the Silicon Valley financiers prepping for the apocalypse in New Zealand, he says: “Once money doesn’t matter anymore and the armed guards are trying to feed their starving children, what do you think they’ll do? The billionaires doing that are just deluded,” Bendell said.
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Actually NZ would be the last place to feel any apocalypse, NZ agriculture can feed 100 million people or the population of Japan! It was known then that NZ would be the best place for refuge from nuclear war.
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In a warming world its the last civilised pocket of cool on the planet, scientists have verified that glacial advance in the alps is a sign of ‘regional cooling,’
Britain joining the EU put a damper on NZ agriculture, but they eventually found new markets for their products.
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theRealUniverse
“Actually NZ would be the last place to feel any apocalypse,…”
As the solar minimum proceeds then more seismic events are likely to occur, and New Zealand is placed right in the area. No quite an apocalypse but could be real nasty … lets hope and pray it doesn’t happen.
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There is a healthy bunker industry in the USA and I have also heard the wealthy are buying land in NZ and South America to rise out the coming collapse, however that is delivered. Being wealthy, if it never eventuates they can write it off against tax….
The good thing about NZ is distance from pretty much anywhere and I believe may survice a northern hemisphere limited nuclear war, much better than somewhere north of the equator. The depresing greenist movie “The Beach” sort of covers this a bit, but shows everyone in Australia dying from fallout radiation, which may not be correct.
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Was that a take on Nevil Shute’s ‘On the Beach’ about nuclear war aftermath?
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Exactly.
It may be another hundred years or several, but eventually the next Big freeze will appear with absolutely no preparation from government.
Already northern countries have been experiencing more ice and snow as a warm-up for the big one and when it arrives permanently whole nations will need to move towards the equator.
There is absolutely no planning for this and there’s no way those displaced on northern continental USA are going to all fit on Hawaii.
KK
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No but wait…EU just experienced the ‘hottest summer ever’ (all based on one rooftop thermometer in France)..itll never get THAT cold…will it?
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A longer ski season…I’m all for it…and more gluwein…
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Sweet warm aromatic knock-yer-socks-off Glühwein. Cheers to a longer ski (and boarding off-piste) season!
Finally, something decent from the Beeb –
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/gluhwein_2495
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We address you constantly, Peter.
Do we need even more people?
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“refusal to address what is obviously a problem”
Yep, they should be showing, like you continue to do, that there is ZERO EVIDENCE of any warming by atmospheric CO2.
The real problem is with the continued LIES and DECEITS from those pushing the AGW farce.
Once these irrational, gullible fools can get that through their thick skull, they may realise that the ONLY thing to worry about is the outcome to civilised society if the “Climate Change™ Agenda” is actually implemented.
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“I’m very depressed”
Yes PF, we know you have severe mental issues. !!
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Fitzy needs to lick his carbon-zero EV lithium battery then that should ‘lift’ his/her/its spirits. Meanwhile, ssshhh, don’t tell the rest of the world about this sleepy little
hollowbillionaire preppers’ retreat –https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/political/323579/thiel-granted-citizenship-after-only-four-visits
“American billionaire Peter Thiel visited New Zealand four times before the government granted him citizenship… Mr Thiel, 49, who co-founded Paypal and was one of the first investors in Facebook, has since bought and sold properties here, including a house in Auckland and a multi-million-dollar lakefront estate in Wanaka.
“Mr Thiel sank millions of dollars into New Zealand companies, including accounting software start-up Xero, before and after he was granted citizenship. That included $15m he put into a partnership between his New Zealand-based company, Valar Ventures, and the New Zealand Venture Investment Fund, which was finalised in December 2011 – a few months after he gained citizenship – and publicly announced in March 2012.
“He donated $1m to the Christchurch earthquake appeal fund in April 2011, a gesture then-Prime Minister John Key labelled ‘very generous’ in a parliamentary debate in 2013″.
Both Shonkey and Peter-boy’s ancestors hark back to the same mythological desert tribe, though I’m fairly sure Key doesn’t have a penchant for his own kind in a manner of speaking. Then again, I’ve been wrong (once) before.
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That stinks to high heaven…..
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..buy any citizenship you like, just hand over or donate the cash..to the ‘right’ cause..
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Puts Peter Dutton in a good light re that Chinese billionaire.
And seems Shorten, who was a very vocal critic, went to that billionaire’s daughter’s wedding – on our dime. As did Andrew Robb.
(Via Michael Smith News IIRC)
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FFS gow up
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We are waiting for you do to so, little boy.
WAITING for this “science” that you never can produce.
No wonder you are MENTALLY DEPRESSED. !!
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Heck PF, I was just agreeing with your own statement.
You said “Personally, I’m very depressed”
Are you saying that depression is not a mental issue?
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‘ … you have severe mental issues. !!’
Objection your honour … ad hom.
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Just agreeing with his statement El G.
He is “VERY depressed”.
Poor little SJW.
Perhaps AOC can help him.
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And there is no doubt that PF has shown himself to have very significant learning difficulties.
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Do members of the Judiciary still have Honour?
That’s so 1990s.
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Yep, “Severe”, was probably a bit harsh.
“Significant”, is probably more correct.
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97%?
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“one which needs global cooperation to address.”
Poor PF, You just outed yourself as a globalist.
Do you really want Australia to be controlled by the UN?
The ONLY solutions ever put forward for this NON-EXISTENT problem are those that require “control” by the Marxist totalitarians, ie the greenies.
That requires the bringing-down of the capitalism that has provided for ALL progress in the civilised world. It requires massive hardships bestowed on the poorest in society, while the green Marxist soak up the funding and destroy western civilisation.
They are NON-SOLUTIONS to a NON-EXISTENT problem.
This is YOUR agenda.. and it STINKS.
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Stop putting words in my mouth. If all you can do is insult and disparage, I suggest that instead of the internet, you use a mirror
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Your words, out of your post. PF
You are the one preening yourself !
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I repeat, since you refuse to face the REALITY
The ONLY solutions ever put forward for this NON-EXISTENT problem are those that require “control” by the Marxist totalitarians, ie the greenies.
That requires the bringing-down of the capitalism that has provided for ALL progress in the civilised world. It requires massive hardships bestowed on the poorest in society, while the green Marxist soak up the funding and destroy western civilisation.
They are NON-SOLUTIONS to a NON-EXISTENT problem.
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“Stop putting words in my mouth”.
That’s hilarious.
Everything you say has been put there by someone else.
Nothing original.
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I’ll rephrase what I originally posted. Although this blog post a lot of very good and thought provoking pieces, I am in despair as “more of the same – Coal” and “a million years ago it was worse – temp, CO2” do not address the reality that mankind is having an effect, and we have no idea what the ultimate end point might be.
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“the reality that mankind is having an effect”
YET AGAIN with the UNPROVEN nonsense.
You really do have a deep-seated learning difficulty, PF !!
There is ZERO reason for NOT using coal, especially with modern HELE power systems.
There is ZERO reason FOR using wind and solar, they are erratic, require large subsidies to exist, and take away from the supply system stability, adding greatly to electricity costs. They have ZERO BENEFIT except in a few niche places where the grid cannot reach economically.
Your DESPAIR is brought about ONLY by your own lack of awareness and your inability to face actual reality.
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Look Peter, the main effect by mankind is in the big cities.
As modern humans we gather/concentrate energy in such places
And release/burn it in those places.
We also replace fields of grass and forests of trees
With concrete & brick buildings which absorb the energy from light and then radiate it back later
It’s called Urban Heat Island Effect.
Is this a ‘global’ CO2 caused warming or climate crisis ?
Putting it very bluntly :
NO, NO, NO NO
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‘ … mankind is having an effect, and we have no idea what the ultimate end point might be.’
Humanity has no effect over climate change and we also know the Holocene interglacial has reached its use by date. Any little bit of warming would be helpful but I’m more than happy with CO2 as fertiliser, requiring coal fired power stations.
‘About 12% of people are affected by an anxiety disorder in a given year and up to 30% are affected at some point in their life. They occur about twice as often in women than they do in men, and generally begin before the age of 25.” (Wikipedia)
This maybe accompanied by panic attacks, I’ll search for a cure.
If we scrutinize the group of 97% consensus climate scientist, we should find 12% as having an anxiety disorder at any one time. Sounds about right to me.
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see you just repeated my points, it is so depressing. explain how going to 450 ppm is not significant, Can you account for every effect such a change will have? Then calculate the energy stored in the atmosphere for a 1 degree C rise in temp, and explain what that will do. it is childish in the extreme to deny that we are major drivers of the climate, be it UHI, CO2, pollution of all types. We no longer have a frontier to expand into, which means we have to properly account for the damage we do.
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No reply to my comment Peter Fitzroy ?
Now why is that ?
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“explain how going to 450 ppm is not significant”
It is significant, because it give plant lives CO2 to build FOOD for human consumption
As you should be well aware, there is absolutely ZERO EVIDENCE that there is anything apart from this HIGHLY BENEFICIAL outcome.
“it is childish in the extreme to deny that we are major drivers of the climate, be it UHI, CO2, pollution of all types”
It is absolutely IDIOTIC to think that CO2 is a pollutant of any sort, or that mankind has ANY affect on the GLOBAL climate.
UHI is real, but is only 1% of the planet, it just gets smeared everywhere when calculating the farcical “Global Surface Temperature”
Real pollutants have been drastically reduced in modern society because of technological advances.
The most polluting things nowadays are the manufacture of solar panels and wind turbines.
But that is in China, so it doesn’t matter to you, does it PF. !
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“it is so depressing.”
So sad, what a pity. !
Glad you are living with it PF. 🙂
You deserve it for being so gullibly ignorant.
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“Then calculate the energy stored in the atmosphere for a 1 degree C rise in temp, and explain what that will do”
Make the world a better place for human habitation, of course.
We have had just about that amount out of the COLDEST period in 10,000 years, thank goodness
And it has been globally BENFICIAL, because it only warms the COLDEST parts of the globe.
Trouble is, those coldest parts will be the first to get colder as the sleepy sun starts to take affect over the next several years.
Why aren’t you living in Iceland, PF, rather than the wonderful WARMNESS of the NSW coast ?
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‘ … explain how going to 450 ppm is not significant, Can you account for every effect such a change will have?’
Looking at the evidence it will make no difference, the IPCC has exaggerated the sensitivity of CO2 to warm the atmosphere, the invisible blanket is a myth.
The biggest greenhouse gas is H2O and its a temperature control knob.
‘ … changes in cloud cover over three decades during global warming can explain not only the linear trend of global temperature, but also some interannual variability.”
Povrovsky 2019
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Feter PitzRoy, that comment is a bizarre example of the new science of Verbalism. Complete rubbish.
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Addendum: The actual human input is 0.01 and the rest is up to cloud cover.
https://notrickszone.com/2019/07/11/physicists-clouds-practically-control-climate-whereas-human-warming-amounts-to-0-01c-per-100-years/
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” and we have no idea “.
I can agree with that.
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Misleading the Australian Public!!!!
I have just read in the Sydney Daily Telegraph breaking News segment that Australia’s
Climate Authority wants input on emissions. The AAP article reproduced in full below refers to the Climate Change Authority which was abolished in 2014. Was this article deliberately misleading? I would say so because the journalist fudges the heading to refer to Climate Change Agency then segueys into Climate Change Authority.Supposedly this now defunct body is calling for public comment. No contact is provided. Lo and behold, I find that through a search to the Australian Climate Council, a group of activists with no official role in government, is seeking input on emissions but obviously only from those committed to climate alarmism and zero net emmissions. Read below
“Rebecca Gredley, Australian Associated Press
July 11, 2019 2:39pm
Australia’s climate change agency wants your opinion on how the Morrison government should meet its emissions reduction goals.
The Climate Change Authority is updating its advice to the federal government in light of a “stronger understanding” that Australia must do more to meet its Paris targets.
People have until August 23 to lodge their submissions.
The authority will then craft policies for Australia to meet its Paris agreement targets, which centre on reducing emissions by 26 to 28 per cent on 2005 levels by 2030.
But the CCA is also looking past 2030, when it says Australia should be “clearly and firmly” on the path towards net zero emissions.
The consultation paper also notes that emissions have been rising in Australia and abroad, suggesting new advice is necessary as climate science has improved.
Topics the CCA is particularly interested in include barriers to achieving emissions reduction and the role international carry-over credits should play in achieving goals.
The Morrison government plans to use credits from achieving its Kyoto emissions reduction targets towards the Paris goals.
Environmental groups have fiercely resisted the strategy.
The CCA also wants to know how the government can take advantage of the global transition to net zero emissions, and how monetary policy can help the economy transition.
The authority will provide updated advice to the government by the end of this year.
Meanwhile, Emissions Reduction Minister Angus Taylor has reportedly not yet called a meeting to discuss policy with his state and territory counterparts.
Greens energy spokesman Adam Bandt says it’s proof the government doesn’t care about climate action.
“How many people will die from heatwaves, bushfires and cyclones before this government realises we need to reduce pollution,” he said on Thursday.
Originally published as Climate agency wants input on emissions
Was the article deliberately misleading? Readers can make up their own minds…
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Coming out of the Murdoch stable the editor should have questioned the journalist’s bias.
https://au.linkedin.com/in/rebecca-gredley-189b918b
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I recall that when the Climate Change Authority was abolished, Tony Abbott said something to the effect that Flim Flannery and his cohorts would still give their “advice” and they didn’t need to be paid. Looks like they took that as an invitation.
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Theres only ONE answer to all that gobbldy gook speak.
DONT reduce any emissions. Meaning DONT waste ANY taxpayers money on it.
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‘..global transition to net zero emissions..’
1. There is NO global transition.
2. It is physically impossible.
3. Pigs can fly!
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around that area
“Intelligence aide, blocked from submitting written testimony on climate change, resigns from State Dept.”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/11/intelligence-aide-blocked-from-submitting-written-testimony-on-climate-change-resigns-from-state-dept/
And comments
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I’m worried about the prospect of having my living standards diminished by a reduction in the affordability and reliability of the electricity and gas supply.
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“I’m worried about the prospect of having my living standards diminished by a reduction in the affordability and reliability of the electricity and gas supply.”
RACIST!
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Don’t forget HOMO SAPIEN–PHOBE!!!
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All cars to be fitted with screaming fully worked V12s on hydrogen…..I mean…why not?
Solve the H2 storage issue, and people can stop cringing in the corner and apologising for living…..
The extreme greens are just unhinged bullies.
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“When you need a heart surgeon get a heart surgeon”
Heart Surgeon: I am an expert and know all about “the science” of the heart.
I got two of my Heart Surgeon mates around a bottle of very expensive plonk (peer-reviewed, scientific consenus) and we all agreed that your problem is the heart itself.
When I say “all agreed”, I mean 97%. Bob was about 3% unsure, if you ignore the error bars.
And I say “Heart Surgeon”. I mean, one is a Heart Surgeon. Well, a vet actually. Not trained in surgery but does assure me that most animals do in fact have hearts. Read all about it in a well-respected medical journal.
The other is a Proctologist, well kind of anyway. That’s what his business card says. Let’s just say he “deals” in the general area.
Anyways. Unimportant detail. The problem is the heart. Definitely, it’s beyond debate. We must remove it now, for the good of the body.
I know it sounds preposterous, but we’re “experts”, yeah?
BTW, what’s your Medicare Number?
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😀
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I think you’ll find that vets are trained in surgery.
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All of them? Great! Let me know the next time you need a hysterectomy – we’ll make the enquiry 😛
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Unlikely that I’m going to need that.
But close – I was told that a vet in backblocks Brasil did a human caesar while the husband looked on – with firearm.
One that I worked with was a lost opportunity for human medical surgery.
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“A veterinary physician, usually called a vet, which is shortened from veterinarian (American English) or veterinary surgeon (British English), is a professional who practices veterinary medicine by treating diseases, disorders, and injuries in animals.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veterinary_physician
(My bold)
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This scare mongering reminds me of when I was a kid how we were told of the ‘nuclear winter’ scenario, even remember being shown scary movies about nuclear war, made by England then, showing nuclear blasts over London. Pretty scary for primary kids. There was a real fear of nuclear war in the middle of the last cold war. This climate scare scam seems to be a replacement hobgoblin.
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the day the earth caught fire trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKk3rAR2c3k
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Exactly, Yep, the films were similar to that.
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The comparison here is not completely fair.
The science of dying horribly in a nuclear strike is, unfortunately, very well understood. If you are caught within the blast radii of a nuclear explosion you will die.
The existence of nuclear weapons is objectively true.
The ability to deliver nuclear weapons is perhaps a bit more subjective, but only a bit.
Nuclear war was, and, let’s not kid ourselves here, still is real. The means to nuke someone exist. the opportunity to nuke someone exists. Fortunately the motive does not.
Climate Change? Compared to being nuked? Seriously? Not even the same page.
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I wasnt referring to nuclear war vs (fake)climate change I was meaning the scare tactics used.
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So the ABC Radio Hobart Mornings program took some of your questions to a panel of climate scientists:
– Michael Grose, CSIRO Climate Science Centre
– Jess Melbourne-Thomas, CSIRO Oceans and Atmosphere
– Stuart Corney, Institute for Marine and Antarctic Studies
– Andrew Lenton, CSIRO ocean carbon modeller
‘Are we really doomed?’
“Dr Melbourne-Thomas said while society may not be “doomed” the world does need to act quickly to address [global warming].”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-12/scientists-respond-to-climate-sceptics/11299064?pfmredir=sm
>> How quick?
UN, 1982: “Lack of such action would bring “by the turn of the century, an environmental catastrophe which will witness such devastation as complete, as irreversible as any nuclear holocaust.”
https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=o5tlAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TYwNAAAAIBAJ&pg=5103,351973&dq=ecological+holocaust&hl=en
Sad trombone: https://sadtrombone.com
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““It’s super painful to be a human being right now at this point in history.”
What incredible arrogance and self indulgent nonsense. As if you can choose your gender, your species, your time of life?
So what would this person like to be, a wombat? When, say in Victorian England in the 1860s without the vote, without electronics, without antibiotics where maternal mortality was 30% and infant mortality 50% in the first year? Where no one had holidays, no one was paid and the knife and fork were a novelty?
And sewage did not exist.
Now the social justice warriors are inventing problems because they don’t have anything else to do.
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It’s a kind of madness.
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Not a “kind” of: it IS madness.
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KK a person I’ve known for years has been in a bad way psychologically for a year, a very nice person that is well liked but has been into the whole climate/renewables scene for years, the reason they gave for severe depression was you guessed it climate inaction.
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Sad.
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I was reading about painter Vincent Van Gogh who had ten teeth taken out, in the world before dentistry. About Claude Monet whose eyes went yellow and cloudy with cataracts and could only paint by the labels on the tubes. Families often had more than ten children but few survived to adulthood.
Painful to be a human being right now? It’s is the best time in human history to be alive, especially in Western Democracies as young people roam around with no jobs looking for something to be cross about and protest. You even get able people on street corners and intersections sipping expensive soft drinks and smoking while begging for cash above their government income. Water is not good enough for your modern beggar.
As for the Climate Crisis, homo sapiens have survived the terrible ice age of only 11,000 years ago when ice a kilometer thick covered much of Europe and the Americas down to 40 degree. Now we are worried about vanishing ice and species extinction? It beggars belief.
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They know that archaic homo sapiens lived in Greece 210,000 years ago, presumably during the previous interglacial.
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Families often had more than ten children but few survived to adulthood.
Do not overlook the hard fact that the simple act of giving birth could also be fatal.
First World snowflakes. Outside their latte longue women STILL DIE IN CHILDBIRTH, but no, there is Climate Change(tm) to worry about.
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My point. The fatality rate was 30%! 7 days after childbirth. Septic infection from the fact that no one washed. Blood loss was the other, without transfusions which were invented in WW1. It’s hard to imagine such rolling tragedies. It is why the children’s stories were about the wicked step mother.
Most people had a step mother and the cities were full of orphanages. There was no single mothers supporting pension either. Twelve children no husband was as common as twelve children and no mother.
Why would anyone want to go back in time to such misery, but that is because people have no idea that you could not turn a tap and get hot water.
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Its all true what you say, sadly people don’t have much interest in history.
We are extremely lucky and yet in some Third World pockets its still possible to see abject poverty insitu, places where time forgot.
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I have spent time in such places EG. I remember walking home at night to my hotel in BA’s in Argentina and seeing the homeless women & young kids, sleeping in the door ways on cardboard to soften the pavement. And doing the same in Manila and seeing hundreds of people sleeping under & on top of their vender stands where they sold odd trinkets during the days… If one travels and stays in such countries a while it is obvious to see -not hidden at all. One just has to get out of the wealthy gated enclaves
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Or spend a day or a night by the Burning Ghats (steps) leading down to the Ganga (river) in Varanasi/Benares, India where corpses are burned 24/7/365. That ancient holy city has seen floods/droughts war/peace beauty/horror wealth/poverty for aeons and will continue to do so. In the words of J.C. – John Clarke, RIP – we don’t know how lucky we are, Trevor!
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In fact try the 1660s or further back, all absurd.
There was a article on the ‘great winter’ of 1709. Starvation, no crops, huge death rate due to hypothermia, no gas heating then or insulation in houses, just a big fireplace, in the mansions, if that in many cases. Yep its pretty miserable now in the early 21st cent.
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““It’s super painful to be a human being right now at this point in history.”
Indicating a bloody poor knowledge of history
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While I am fully in favor of nuclear energy, Barnaby Joyce says we should go nuclear because there are no emissions!
No Three mile island, no Chernobyl, no Fukishima?
CO2 is worse than Chernobyl? Really?
We Australians are sitting on enough old plant matter to power this country for hundreds of years and the Climate Change religion says we have to go nuclear?
When is it my time to get Climate depressed?
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Wind power has killed more people than nuclear power.
Fact.
Asking if CO2 is worse than Chernobyl is like asking if apples are worse to eat than oranges.
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That’s true. However without spending billions for the next thousand of years, the potential of Cherbonbyl is terrible. There is no solution.
The disaster has been averted but the risk is still there.
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Life and animals have returned to the Chernobyl area in large numbers.
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The containment system has been rebuilt. That’s all it is. Not a long term solution.
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In some ways it is no worse than the masses of high grade waste around the world which cannot be treated further. Mankind will live with it all for hundreds of thousands of years. You dare not even more it, shoot it into space or bury it. Glassification is the only solution which holds hope.
Even the robots cannot last long in the levels of radiation inside Chernobyl. Do we really believe the site will be save for half a million years? No.
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Who knew the Tinker-Muse prize was for alarmist junk science to scare the mentally ill?
“It’s a call to arms, but we are not asking people to change much.
It is just getting behind the renewable sector, getting completely away from fossil fuels because they are the cause of this melt,” Dr England said.
Dr England describes Antarctic sea level rise as one of the greatest threats to the modern world.”
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-02-05/challenges-understanding-climate-change-impact-antarctica/9398192
>> There is zero evidence fossil fuels are causing antarctic ice to melt, or that solar panels will prevent antarctic ice melt.
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More propaganda. the whole article is totally hogwash and provable hogwash.
Dr England please provide PROOF of your statement. ‘fossil fuels because they are the cause of this melt’. Lie no. 1.
‘Antarctic sea level rise’..there is NO sea level rise. Lie no 2.
‘greatest threats to the modern world’ lie no 3.
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It’s the Goebbels’ Big Lie on steroids. Nobody believes small lies but the big ones pushed everyday by the media and paid-for scientists desperate for the hext juicy grant and free air tickets and hotel rooms at the next climate conference to hobnob with their ” peers ” who are also riding the gravy train. Clueless leftist idiot politicians acting as amplifiers of the scam. Trump will do nothing against the UN, whose endless well-funded bureaucracies prop up a good chunk of his hometown, New York.
Children and young people are indoctrinated. This cult way exceeds anything Jim Jones could come up with. I also think they will keep getting away with it. They are moving from Gore-bull warming to the shape-shifting unproveable climate change and jow to species extinction issues. More scares, more money, more power.
All we can do is continue the fight against this Green Inquisition.
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It’s the Goebbels’ Big Lie on steroids. Nobody believes small lies but the big ones pushed everyday by the media and paid-for scientists desperate for the next juicy grant and free air tickets and hotel rooms at the next climate conference to hobnob with their ” peers ” who are also riding the gravy train. Clueless leftist idiot politicians acting as amplifiers of the scam. Trump will do nothing against the UN, whose endless well-funded bureaucracies prop up a good chunk of his hometown, New York.
Children and young people are indoctrinated. This cult way exceeds anything Jim Jones could come up with. I also think they will keep getting away with it. They are moving from Gore-bull warming to the shape-shifting unproveable climate change and jow to species extinction issues. More scares, more money, more power.
All we can do is continue the fight against this Green Inquisition.
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I find this sort of piggy backing guilt somewhat disturbing.
They found a woman who considered self harm and – leap of logic – Climate Change is Bad!
Sorry, but to be completely honest here I have seen enough half naked women to know what self harm scars look like. It is, for reasons I cannot begin to understand, common. I have even dated some women with scars who cannot even explain why they do it, and remember talking about it with another woman who confessed she only cut her upper thighs because she didn’t want her Mum to discover it and get upset.
Some people self harm. Why? I don’t know. Many of them don’t even seem to know. I don’t have stats but would go as far as to say it is seriously underreported within the population. Personally I find it disturbing and worrying and occasionally makes me question my role in life as a supportive friend to others.
It is a wide spread problem.
But hey, Climate Change! CO2 bad!
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You must move in different circles to me; although my circles are quite small. The post prompted me to do a quick search:
https://www.apa.org/monitor/2015/07-08/who-self-injures
This states 15% but elsewhere 20% – far more common than I could ever imagine.
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Latest news read all about, Climate despair alarms millions!
This is really serious folks, climate change is making people’s brains smaller!
Truly, millions out there cannot think for themselves and have been brainwashed.
Solution go home, stick your head in a bucket of ice for about,say a year and cool down . . .
GeoffW
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Grave voices talking on Channel Seven news last night about the ” health ” of the Great Barrier Reef. I think climate change may have been mentioned, coral bleaching and the crown of thorns starfish (that old chestnut) certainly was. Anything to keep the issue alive, more things to worry about, more research needed…
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And yet Professor Peter Ridd has said it (GBR) is in perfectly normal condition and in good health.
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I found this on ZeroHedge – a new paper states that cosmic rays affect cloud cover AND
Winter monsoons became stronger during geomagnetic reversal – Revealing the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate
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If “ONE” percent of the people control “(90)%” percent of the wealth then why don’t the 1% spend “their” money!
But what we have is a compulsory “Poor” (Carbon)tax.
Where the Australian poor that emit 1% of the Global CO2 are expected to affect global weather patterns by buying batteries from China?
At what point will Global Warming be over? What record Cold, Record rain, or record Snow event or trend will prove Global Warming is over?
NEVER! Does not matter how much snow, rain or cold we get, Warming will never be over!
Call it what it is, a CARBON tax is just a “schizophrenia” tax!.
Anyone who thinks they can take control of the climate by buying batteries from China has schizophrenia, it’s that simple!
The average water level on Lake Michigan-Lake Huron was less than an inch last month from the all-time June record, while other Great Lakes set new records for June, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers Detroit District reported.
“With another wet month across the Great Lakes basin, water levels continued to rise in June and have reached some of the highest levels in our recorded history, which dates back to 1918,” said Keith Kompoltowicz, chief of Watershed Hydrology, Detroit District.
https://www.heraldpalladium.com/news/local/big-lake-water-level-a-half-inch-below-all-time/article_6b764c43-83cb-5c57-b47f-637e764c2c01.html
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Global warming has been in decline worldwide since 2007:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=global%20warming
I has been gradually replaced by climate change:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=climate%20change
Climate changed rose to stardom around 2010 but has continued a resurgence in the past few years.
Both global warming and climate change are synonyms for burning fossil fuel and my guess is that that will continue for a hundred years or more. There is still not economic alternative to fossil fuel in most applications; maybe fission for electricity generation. But one day there will inevitably be economic alternatives; hopefully at a lower cost. I am hopeful fusion will provide industrial power and solar will supply more dispersed, less intense power.
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“If “ONE” percent of the people control “(90)%” percent of the wealth then why don’t the 1% spend “their” money!”
Peter Ustinov on this – why do we give awards for philanthropy to people who have spent 2/3 of their life ripping people off when they give some back in the last 1/3? (IIRC)
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As I’ve said before, maybe the whole climate beat-up is an op to distract us from the real problem, which is not due in the short term or the long term, but in the medium term. According to the science which needs no inverted commas, this problematic time has to come round. Is the long-known cycle being hidden in plain sight?
Ted Hughes gave an inkling…
October is marigold, and yet
A glass half full of wine left out
To the dark heaven all night, by dawn
Has dreamed a premonition
Of ice across its eye as if
The ice-age had begun its heave.
The lawn overtrodden and strewn
From the night before, and the whistling green
Shrubbery are doomed. Ice
Has got its spearhead into place.
First a skin, delicately here
Restraining a ripple from the air;
Soon plate and river on pond and brook;
Then tons of chain and massive lock
To hold rivers. Then, sound by sight
Will Mammoth and Sabre-tooth celebrate
Reunion while a fist of cold
Squeezes the fire at the core of the world,
Squeezes the fire at the core of the heart,
And now it is about to start.
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I’m old enough to remember when popular music was fun and uplifting, if not a bit silly. But today’s young people grew up with gloomy, maybe violent music. When some young person drives by with their windows open and violent gangsta rap so-called “music” blaring, I have to shake my head.
It appears to me that government-ordained music (it really is, you know) tends to run the opposite of the attitude that is common at the time. I’m thinking first of all the classical music that was created during the Little Ice Age. To stay sane in the face of all the death and destruction, ordered and predictable music was what they played.
During the Great Depression, movies and radio became widely popular. Not all of them were fun and bouncy, but much of it was. Even during WWII I believe the government encouraged people to enjoy and play big band and jazz music because it ran counter to the military rules that people had to live by.
I never agreed with the emphasis on drugs and psychedelic in popular culture starting in the 1960s. By the 1970s, my old high school had removed the stall doors from the girls’ bathroom because smoking and drug use. Before I graduated high school, I could look at the ads for record clubs and recognized almost all the artists whose records were offered. Now, I haven’t a clue. I refuse to subject myself to the downgrading and depressing noise that passes for music these days.
Since the 1960s and 1970s, the environment has been cleaned up. Consider the fact that cars and trucks no longer spew clouds of smelly, black smoke. Rivers got cleaned up. Smoke stacks on power plants have scrubbers on them and emit water vapor (even though in the right light, a photo can make it look very dark and menacing).
You can eat as clean or as junky as you like. My grandmother’s favorite cafe put some lettuce out and called it a salad bar. Now there is much more variety to salad bars even in small towns.
You don’t have to live your life amongst bullies and thugs. Even a person making middle class wages can live in a non-scary neighborhood. But we fill our minds with so-called “entertainment” that serves only to teach naive people how to be a criminal, how to steal and kill and destroy, how to cheat your friends and neighbors and get away with it.
Well, I’m tired of it! I refuse to let all that doom and gloom fill my waking hours and make me afraid and sick.
I am a musician in my spare time. I play piano and sing with groups in my community and state. I accompany music students and play for stage shows. Just making real music with real instruments and real human singers is a novelty and a treat these days. Some of my musician friends and I call our rehearsal times “music therapy”. My faith is another uplifting factor in my life.
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‘subject myself to the downgrading and depressing noise that passes for music these days’ so true the seventies rock bands actually had some musical skills.
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“When some young person drives by with their windows open and violent gangsta rap so-called “music” blaring, I have to shake my head.”
When our boys have that on in the workshop I make reference to “road rage music”.
Sometimes they have selections suitable for old farts though.
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We ‘old farts’ can still rock ‘n’ roll and shake ‘n’ sway like it was ’74 eh Ian? Or was that 67 or 79? Bob Marley and The Wailers, Western Springs, Auckland, 16 April 1979, $7 a ticket mon – when I tell young brown brothers & sisters this old hairy pakeha white fella was there, they be like Respect! Brother, Legend! Chur Bro’.
These days when I’m driving party buses round the city at night, it doesn’t matter if the clients are young or middle-aged, males, females or mixed, brown, white or yellow; the usual fare is DOOF DOOF DOOF YO MOFO N* B* etc. Does my head in but I’m reimbursed well and kind of immune to it now. Occasionally 16-year-olds on their way to a school ball (non-alcoholic) put on something from the 80s or the 70s or even the 60s (parents or grandparents’ music) and Greg the Driver is boppin’ away singing the words… kids be like, “You know this song? Wow!”
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Climate change bias is now so prevalent across our institutions it will take something incredible to shift it.
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So true Zane. An old expression is ‘brainwashed’.
GeoffW
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the XR protests in Brisbane next week – 15-19 July – are part of the XR Summer Uprising in the UK, except it’s winter here. MSM are ignoring the connection:
Facebook: Events
ACT NOW – SUMMER UPRISING FROM JULY 15TH
Public · Hosted by Extinction Rebellion UK and 7 others
Starting Monday 15 July, we rise up in an organic, decentralised and coordinated action with one main message: ACT NOW!
Throughout the week, rebels will disrupt central spaces in five cities with the support of local groups from across the UK…
https://www.facebook.com/events/505673473590892/
***see Summer Uprising info towards the end of the excerpts:
9 Jul: SocialistWorker: Strike to stop climate chaos
by Sarah Bates
Millions of people are likely to walk out worldwide on 20 September to demand that governments act urgently on climate change and that bosses stop polluting our planet.
Student strikers have issued a challenge to workers—to walk out of their workplaces and take to the streets alongside them on the day.
“We can’t fight on our own—it’s not enough,” school striker Patrick told the Marxism Festival in London last Sunday (LINK)…
One worker at the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra) told Socialist Worker, “People are really enthusiastic about the strike and our younger PCS union reps are ready to walk out straight away.”
An electronic calendar invite was sent to thousands of Defra workers across Britain telling them about the climate strike…
Defra workers are also linking climate change to the issue of job security.
“We’ve drafted an open letter to our permanent secretary,” said the worker.
“It asks that the hundreds of workers hired on short-term Brexit contracts are put on permanent contracts to deal with the climate crisis.”
At one university, workers have agreed to strike on the day…
How can I organise? ETC
***Join the Summer Uprising
Extinction Rebellion (XR) activists are preparing for actions next week in five major cities.
People in Bristol, Cardiff, Glasgow, Leeds and London are getting ready to take to the streets.
“Summer Uprising” protests are due to begin from next Monday with XR groups planning on staging major disruptions in city centres. XR promises “civil disobedience, family friendly spaces, love and music and an object of significance at every site.”…
https://socialistworker.co.uk/art/48608/Strike+to+stop+climate+chaos
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what?
11 Jul: BrisbaneTimes: Police warn against vigilante reprisals during Brisbane blockade next week
By Toby Crockford
Police have cautioned frustrated drivers against abusing or attacking climate change activists during the week-long Brisbane protests planned for next week.
After being met with a chorus of car horns on Thursday, the group planned to hold traffic up again every weekday next week during morning peak-hour…
Inspector Steve Collins said potential vigilante reprisals were included in police plans for managing the demonstrations…
“There is no offence as such in taking part in an unauthorised protest but offences may be committed in isolation to the actual march itself,” he said…
“Assessments were made in real time about what the best course of action would be and based on those assessments this morning, it was decided to not take any arrest action.”…
“We are constantly engaged with these groups. We have our negotiators talk to them and we have contacts within each group that we can talk to and we do our best to discourage them or come up with alternative plans,” Inspector Collins said…
Adani’s Galilee Basin mine re-emerged as a hot political issue throughout the federal election campaign…
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/police-warn-against-vigilante-reprisals-during-brisbane-blockade-next-week-20190711-p526bi.html
reminds me how Antifa feels they, not the police, rule the streets in the US:
TWEET: Julio Rosas: U.S. Marine and Meme Economist. Reporter @DCExaminer. Previously @Mediaite and @Townhallcom
(SCROLL DOWN) These are the rules for members of the press in order to go inside the #AllOutDC rally, which is the antifa side.
One that suck out: “Please avoid publishing any potentially incriminating photos or video footage…”
PIC OF RULES
6 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/status/1147530669083570176
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I notice the “climate strike” is during the pagan Autumnal Solstice ……
No surprises I guess….more useful idiots…..
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It’s also just before some IPCC event…
D
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Another Ian – comment #4 posted Delingpole with BBC Newsnight video link for –
VIDEO: 10 Jul: BBC: ‘Climategate’: 10 years on, what’s changed?
It’s almost 10 years since hackers stole thousands of emails and other documents from the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit.
The scandal, known as “Climategate”, rocked the scientific world.
Sceptics picked up on a small number of emails that seemed to suggest scientists had been deliberately manipulating data to exaggerate evidence of climate change.
It wasn’t true, but what followed is thought to have shaped public opinion and could possibly have influenced the UN climate agreement that year.
***Kayleen Devlin reports for Newsnight on how battle lines and public opinions have changed since then.
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/science-environment-48925015/climategate-10-years-on-what-s-changed
interesting to see the orginal headline for the above in Devlin’s Twitter feed. she now self-describes as ex-BBC Newsnight:
TWEET: ***Kayleen Devlin, Journo. ***Ex Newsnight & BBC Stories
So I made a little film for Newsnight, and I can’t begin to explain the fun I had rifling through the archive: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/science-environment-48925015/climategate-10-years-on-what-s-changed …
#climatechange #GlobalWarming
LINK BBC VIDEO WITH DIFFERENT HEADLINE/OPENING: ‘CLIMATEGATE’: WHEN SCEPTICS TRICKED THE PUBLIC
Hackers stole 6,000 emails and other documents from a climate research centre almost 10 years ago.
10 Jul 2019
reply: Henners, Geologist from Worcestershire
It is likely that you will come to the opposite opinion if you read The Climategate Emails (2010), by J. Costella, a detailed chronological account explaining who the actors are & what the context is, with hyperlinks to a database of the original emails.
LINK 180-page PDF, The Climategate Emails, Edited and Annotated by John Costella, The Lavoisier Group March 2010
10 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/KayleenDevlin/status/1148894085303951360
Devlin used to work for Vice (and CNN, according to her LinkedIn). thought this was cute:
***TWEET: Kayleen Devlin
@tinalouiseUK Hi Tina, I’m covering the climate change march for Vice News tomorrow, and would really like to interview you about the march.
6 March 2015
reply: Tina Rothery, Activist, writer, traveller, Nana #BanFracking + Green Party supporter
@KayleenDevlin fabulous will message my number and email x
6 March 2015
https://twitter.com/KayleenDevlin/status/573778338940125184
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Autumnal Equinox, I think you mean Steve 🙂
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Over here, the krazy klimate kooks are planning A WEEK OF LOOTING (AWOL) from 20-27 September, our Spring Equinox, sponsored by the usual guilty parties of “unions and other climate groups including Generation Zero, Greenpeace and 350 Aotearoa” spit!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/113897805/school-climate-strike-students-call-on-adults-to-join-third-wave-of-action
No doubt Lucy Lawless (Xena) will be out there, loud-hailer in hand, shrieking “See! It’s getting hotter!” as thousands of sweaty unwashed gullibles crowd together in the pleasant spring sunshine, in the city’s dirty narrow streets, as all that exhaled CO₂ slowly engulfs them all…
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I went alone to hear Lord Monkton speak in Melbourne and was fascinated to find myself surrounded with medical doctors. I asked them why they were there and all agreed that Global Warming phobia was a serious problem with many of their patients and they wanted to improve the way the reassured this anxiety. Shame the education industry does not teach clear thinking and research thoroughly before they indoctrinate at all levels.
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Travis T. Jones – comment #12 – posted Michael Mann crying from a Mother Jones link.
just wanted to note the article is by David Corn of “Christopher Steel” notoriety:
8 Jul: MotherJones: It’s the End of the World as They Know It
The distinct burden of being a climate scientist
Story by David Corn
https://www.motherjones.com/environment/2019/07/weight-of-the-world-climate-change-scientist-grief/
following posted as a reminder how much disinfo was in Corn’s piece. It was the first MSM piece to write about the phony Clinton Russian dossier, tho without naming Steele, or naming ClintonDNC as the funders of the dossier. written, of course, before the 2016 election :
31 Oct 2016: MotherJones: A Veteran Spy Has Given the FBI Information Alleging a Russian Operation to Cultivate Donald Trump
Has the bureau investigated this material?
by David Corn, Washington, DC, Bureau Chief
On Sunday, Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid upped the ante. He sent Comey a fiery letter saying the FBI chief may have broken the law and pointed to a potentially greater controversy: “In my communications with you and other top officials in the national security community, it has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisors, and the Russian government…The public has a right to know this information.”…
Last month, Yahoo News reported that US intelligence officials were probing the links between Page and senior Russian officials. (Page has called accusations against him “garbage.”) On Monday, NBC News reported that the FBI has mounted a preliminary inquiry into the foreign business ties of Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chief. But Reid’s recent note hinted at more than the Page or Manafort affairs. And a former senior intelligence officer for a Western country who specialized in Russian counterintelligence tells Mother Jones that in recent months he provided the bureau with memos, based on his recent interactions with Russian sources, contending the Russian government has for years tried to co-opt and assist Trump—and that the FBI requested more information from him…
But a senior US government official not involved in this case but familiar with the former spy tells Mother Jones that he has been a credible source with a proven record of providing reliable, sensitive, and important information to the US government…
In June, the former Western intelligence officer—who spent almost two decades on Russian intelligence matters and who now works with a US firm that gathers information on Russia for corporate clients—was assigned the task of researching Trump’s dealings in Russia and elsewhere, according to the former spy and his associates in this American firm. This was for an opposition research project originally financed by a Republican client critical of the celebrity mogul. (Before the former spy was retained, the project’s financing switched to a client allied with Democrats.) “It started off as a fairly general inquiry,” says the former spook, who asks not to be identified. But when he dug into Trump, he notes, he came across troubling information indicating connections between Trump and the Russian government. According to his sources, he says, “there was an established exchange of information between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin of mutual benefit.”…
The former spy says he concluded that the information he had collected on Trump was “sufficiently serious” to share with the FBI…
Mother Jones has reviewed that report and other memos this former spy wrote. The first memo, based on the former intelligence officer’s conversations with Russian sources, noted…
According to several national security experts, there is widespread concern in the US intelligence community that Russian intelligence, via hacks, is aiming to undermine the presidential election—to embarrass the United States and delegitimize its democratic elections. And the hacks appear to have been designed to benefit Trump…READ ON
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/veteran-spy-gave-fbi-info-alleging-russian-operation-cultivate-donald-trump/
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OFF TOPIC :
I just read this on the ABC, the Australian Brainwashing Corporation’s news website:
“South Australia’s giant Tesla battery has been outperforming
Coal and gas generators, and a second has been built
At Lake Bonney in the state’s south-east.”
Written by Tom Fedorowytsch here :
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-07-12/agl-holds-off-plans-to-mothball-torrens-island-power-station/11303268
A big bloody battery cannot generate power.
It can only store power generated by power generators elsewhere.
So how the bugger can it out perform anything ?
IGNORAMOUS TOM !
Or are just a willing paid slave in the ABC’s the brainwashing team ?
NOT my ABC !
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They must be doing better than this bloke in Vic then
“We have 6.3kwh of panels and a Tesla battery not because we are green or trying to save or make money. We have found the battery seldom fills to 100% in the winter and we are still pulling from the grid through the day. The Republic of Victoria has seen fit to shut down it’s biggest power station to appease the ratbag greens. We can make it through a short blackout at night if we know about it and shut down the fridges.
When will government stop pandering to these idiots?
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The fact it is needed so often shows just how unstable the grid supply is.
It was for EMERGENCY use.. seems like the whole SA grid must be in perpetual emergency status.
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Earlier there was mention of the 1959 movie “On the Beach” with star Ava Gardner, filmed around Melbourne. Nuclear weapons have put so much radioactivity into the air that humans are doomed, the last of them far South as the clouds move down.
The Government has responded by supplying suicide pills.
If you ever seek a scene that shows bureaucracy at its best, cut to the Government nurse woman with the clip board, handing out these pills and ticking names off. One can imagine her saying Not more than one per person, cannot deprive other taxpayers of their rights to free goods and services.”
Have a squiz. It is a hoot, a window on the official mind.
Geoff S.
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I do appreciate that geology put things into perspective for me making me more-or-less immune to any climate doom and politico-media gibberish and corruption surrounding it.
Good on ya Earth!
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Around this area
“Shellenberger on Steyer”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/07/11/shellenberger-on-steyer/
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Bowman. This is similar to traditional Aboriginals killing others by “Pointing the Bone.” It only worked if the target was indoctrinated and told he had been killed , his own beliefs then created mental illness that killed him.
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Please use “Bowman” , not my actual name in preceding comment.
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all the hysterical climate activists are doing is playing into the hands of the very people they claim to hate!
12 Jul: ClimateChangeNews: Asset managers worth $15 trillion make climate risk promise to Macron
The French president gathered the world’s biggest investors this week to push them to back climate-friendly projects
By Chloé Farand
Blackrock, Goldman Sachs, BNP Paribas, HSBC, Natixis, Amundi, State Street and Northern Trust committed to form a coalition and work with six sovereign wealth funds to consider the climate-risks of large financial assets following a meeting with Macron on Wednesday, the Elysée confirmed.
The coalition said it would reconvene during the climate action summit organised by UN secretary general António Guterres in September to update Macron on the progress of its initiatives for climate-resilient investments…
https://climatechangenews.com/2019/07/12/asset-managers-worth-15-trillion-make-climate-risk-promise-macron/
reminder:
9 Feb 2018: UK Express: MACRON THREAT: France unveils Brexit bank snatch to make Paris Europe’s financial centre
By Nicole Stinson
Bruno Le Maire (minister of finance and economy) said Mr Macron’s sights are on JP Morgan, Bank of America and Goldman Sachs, which all have offices in London.
“JP Morgan, Bank of America and Goldman Sachs want to expand their French offices. France wants to play a key role in the important ***GREEN FINANCE.”…
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/916912/brexit-news-emmanuel-macron-paris-europe-finance-bank-america-jp-morgan-goldman-sachs
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behind paywall:
12 Jul: CarbonPulse: EU won’t bring deeper emission goal to UN chief’s September summit
The EU won’t showcase a deeper collective emission cut goal at September’s UN Secretary General climate summit, officials said on Thursday, dashing hopes that the bloc’s leaders could return to the table this summer to agree a net zero 2050 goal.
11 Jul: CarbonPulse: UK confirms November carbon tax roll-out in event of no-deal Brexit
UK emitters will be subject to a £16/tonne carbon tax from Nov. 4 if Britain leaves the EU without a deal at the end of October, the government said on Thursday…
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while waiting for men’s semi at Wimbledon, saw Sky UK doing yet another anti-Brexit segment. it’s either that or CAGW advocacy dominating on Sky UK 24/7.
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12 Jul: ClimateChangeNews: How Trump’s climate U-turn exposed the limits of European power
By Chloé Farand
Asked in an interview with former UN Climate Change head Christiana Figueres whether the EU and China will lead the world to climate action next year, Miguel Arias Cañete, the EU’s outgoing climate commissioner, avoided the question.
Instead, he stressed the EU had “a very close relationship with China”…READ ON
https://climatechangenews.com/2019/07/12/trumps-climate-u-turn-exposed-limits-european-power/
12 Jul: SunDailyMalaysia: AFP: Families appeal EU court dismissal of ‘People’s Climate Case’
Plaintiffs including a Portuguese forester and Swedish indigenous reindeer herder argue inadequate climate action threatens their human rights
BRUSSELS: Families from across Europe, Kenya and Fiji who tried to sue the European Union to impell it to do more to tackle climate change are appealing a decision to throw out their case, activists said Thursday…READ ALL
https://www.thesundaily.my/world/families-appeal-eu-court-dismissal-of-climate-case-FX1099272
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who will stop the raid on the pension funds?
11 Jul: Reuters: Climate change prompts Nordea fund to make its biggest investment shift
by Esha Vaish
STOCKHOLM – Nordea’s Swedish pension fund moved 22 billion Swedish crowns ($2.34 billion) into investments with a lower carbon footprint and strict sustainability criteria in the first half of the year, saying the move was its biggest asset shift.
A number of institutional investors, including Sweden’s national pension funds, have started to divest from fossil fuel companies due to the risk their assets will become stranded as the cost of renewable energy falls…
Investors have also ratcheted up the pressure on governments with those managing over $34 trillion in assets, nearly half the world’s invested capital, demanding urgent action when leaders of the world’s 20 biggest economies met last month…
The fund has a goal that all its investments together should not contribute to global warming exceeding 1.5C, in line with the Paris Agreement.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-nordea-bnk/climate-change-prompts-nordea-fund-to-make-its-biggest-investment-shift-idUSKCN1U613Q
how kind!
12 Jul: Guardian: US philanthropists vow to raise millions for climate activists
Fund donates £500,000 to grassroots Extinction Rebellion and other groups, with promise of more to come
by Matthew Taylor
PIC: Striking school students marching along Whitehall from Parliament Square in June
A group of wealthy US philanthropists and investors have donated almost half a million pounds to support the grassroots movement Extinction Rebellion and school strike groups – with the promise of tens of millions more in the months ahead.
Trevor Neilson, an investor and philanthropist who has worked with some of the world’s richest families, has teamed up with Rory Kennedy – daughter of Robert Kennedy – and Aileen Getty, whose family wealth comes from the oil industry, to launch the Climate Emergency Fund (LINK)…
Neilson, who has worked with figures such as Bill Gates and Richard Branson, said the fund was inspired by Swedish teenager Greta Thunberg and the Extinction Rebellion protesters in the UK in April…
The new fund has the author and environmentalist Bill McKibben, who set up 350.org, and David Wallace Wells, who wrote international best seller Uninhabitable Earth, on its advisory board…READ ON
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jul/12/us-philanthropists-vow-to-raise-millions-for-climate-activists
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XR & Greta’s good friend? this is all over the entire CAGW-infested FakeNewsMSM in the UK:
12 Jul: Daily Mail: Prince Charles gives the world 18 months to save humanity from climate change and keep global warming to ‘survivable’ levels
•Prince Charles warns that the next 18 months are critical for humanity to survive
•He says meetings between world leaders could decide future of world species
•He this year attempted to convince President Donald Trump of its seriousness
•The prince also co-wrote a Ladybird book aimed at adults on the subject in 2017
By Colin Fernandez
The prince said the future of our species – as well as the world’s wildlife – could be decided in a series of crucial United Nations meetings between world leaders.
They will culminate in a climate change conference expected to be held in London next year…
Charles, speaking at a reception for the Commonwealth Heads of Government Conference at Clarence House yesterday said: ‘I am firmly of the view that the next 18 months will decide our ability to keep climate change to survivable levels and to restore nature to the equilibrium we need for our survival.’
The meetings include the UN Convention on Biological Diversity to be held in China, the UN secretary general’s Climate Action summit in September as well as next year’s Commonwealth Heads of Government meeting to be held in Kigali, Rwanda…
Governments around the world have pledged to limit rising temperatures to between 2C (35.6F) and 1.5C (34.7F) by 2100…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7238971/Prince-Charles-warns-18-months-critical-grip-climate-crisis.html
Trump arrives 42:00 into the video. haven’t watched it yet but, from what I’ve heard, he’s as funny as ever, and predicts social media will replace FakeNewsMSM by the time he leaves office. if only:
Youtube: President Trump Delivers Remarks at the Presidential Social Media Summit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThlbXihN57M
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a taste of the social media event at the WH!
11 Jul: Daily Caller: Here’s What Trump Said During White House’s Summit On Big Tech’s Conservative Bias
by Chris White
President Donald Trump dinged big tech companies Thursday while praising various conservative figures who he believes are being unfairly discriminated against on social media platforms.
“Some of you are extraordinary. The crap you think of is unbelievable,” Trump said during a White House social media summit, which included conservative personalities like Project Veritas’ James O’Keefe and Republican Rep. Matt Gaetz of Florida. The president also criticized Facebook for expressing “terrible bias.”
“Somebody said he’s controversial,” the president said of O’Keefe, who published several reports recently detailing what some conservatives believe is Google’s bias. “He’s truthful.”…
https://dailycaller.com/2019/07/11/trump-conservatives-big-tech/
11 Jul: Breitbart: Twitter Crashes Before White House Social Media Summit
by Lucas Nolan
Shortly before the White House summit on social media, Twitter crashed unexpectedly both in many areas of the United States and in other countries…
A screenshot of the error can be seen below…
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/07/11/twitter-crashes-before-white-house-social-media-summit/
11 Jul: WashingtonExaminer: ‘You’re a punk!’: Sebastian Gorka confronts White House journalists in Rose Garden (VIDEO)
by Julio Rosas
In a video leading up to the confrontation, Karem said the audience was a “group of people that are eager for demonic possession.” When Gorka shouted back at Karem, he said, “We can go outside and have a long conversation.” VIDEO
“You’re a punk! You’re not a journalist! You’re a punk!” Gorka shouted at Brian Karem, a CNN political analyst and reporter for Playboy…
CNN White House reporter Jim Acosta tweeted how the press were all in the back, with Trump’s guests were in the front…
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/youre-a-punk-sebastian-gorka-confronts-white-house-journalists-in-rose-garden
plenty of tweets below re the event from Trump’s favourite meme creator Carpe Donktum @CarpeDonktum, incl this one in reply to Jim Acosta/CNN:
TWEET: Carpe Donktum to Acosta: My favorite part was when all of you spoiled brats yelled at us to sit down when President Trump stepped up to the podium.
He was there for us, not you whiny babies.
11 Jul 2019
https://twitter.com/CarpeDonktum
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Pat
Hope
“Her Majesty The Queen, 93 YO and going strong, “No, no, I can still plant a tree!” Duty! Long Live The Queen.”
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2019/07/her-majesty-the-queen-93-yo-and-going-strong-no-no-i-can-still-plant-a-tree-duty-long-live-the-queen.html
“Delingpole: My Solution to Climate Change? Eat Prince Charles”
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2019/07/12/rich-eco-loons-like-prince-charles-should-pay-climate-change/
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Pat
Might be all good.
I’ve seen speculation that the Queen might hand over when she gets to 95 so 2 years
Charles’s 18 month prediction that will most likely fall over.
Which can be highlighted to throw doubts on the next short term set like the AOC 12 years.
Which can be highlighted to throw doubts on the 2030 – 2050 set
Which – – .
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Trump’s position on climate change is due a rethink
by Gillian Tett, Financial Times – 11 Jul 2019
CarbonBrief re the above: The FT columnist examines how investors and CEOs should ponder what would happen “if Republican attitudes shift” on climate change: “Some Republicans are quietly shifting tack on climate change. Investors and executives ignore this at their peril, since there are at least four reasons why this quiet(ish) shift might affect policy – even in the White House. One factor is the polls…A second issue is the influence of business…A third source of pressure comes from the military…The fourth – and arguably most important – factor is that some Republicans are now trying to counter Democratic proposals for a ‘Green New Deal’ by crafting their own platform that focuses on market-based, business-centred strategies, rather than government intervention and spending…Investors and chief executives should at least ponder what would happen if the Republicans switched their position; not least because an environmental programme that calls for a carbon dividend to bolster energy security would be just as consequential as a carbon tax to stop climate change.”
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full of virtue-signalling:
12 Jul: Reuters: Climate activists find warmer reception at shareholder meetings
by Ross Kerber
BOSTON – Climate activists found companies more receptive to steps like cutting emissions or buying clean power this year, a new tally of shareholder resolutions shows, a trend proponents said undercuts the case for proxy rule changes sought by business groups.
Of the 145 climate-related proposals filed for this year’s springtime annual meeting season, 39 percent led to deals and were withdrawn, according to Ceres, a Boston-based advocacy group that coordinates and tracks the resolutions. Last year the rate was 36 percent, and 21 percent in 2015…
Executives are more inclined to compromise as extreme weather shows the impact of climate change, said Rob Berridge, Ceres’ director of shareholder engagement…
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climate-investors/climate-activists-find-warmer-reception-at-shareholder-meetings-idUSKCN1U62FY
nothing politically partisan about CAGW/MSM/academia:
11 Jul: The Hill: Environmental groups team up to host presidential climate summit
By Rebecca Klar
Environmental groups are teaming up with The New Republic and Gizmodo to host a presidential climate summit after the Democratic National Committee (DNC) refused to hold a climate debate despite calls from progressive groups.
The four-hour discussion will be held on Sept. 23 in New York City during Climate Week NYC.
It will be moderated by Errol Louis, a political commentator for CNN and NY1, and event co-planners, Emily Atkin from The New Republic and Brian Kahn from Gizmodo.
The events sponsors include Earthjustice, an environmental legal group, the League of Conservation Voters and Columbia University’s Earth Institute…
No candidates have yet confirmed if they will attend…
Columbia University’s Earth Institute will also be present make sure questions are in line with current climate science…
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/452646-environmental-legal-group-announces-presidential-climate-summit
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the ultimate virtue-signalling:
11 Jul: Guardian: Dutch airline KLM calls for people to fly less
by Antonia Wilson
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2019/jul/11/dutch-airline-klm-calls-for-people-to-fly-less-carbon-offsetting-scheme
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Greta Thunberg, the poster child of climate scare, has been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome.
Wikipedia:
Asperger syndrome, also known as Asperger’s, is a developmental disorder characterised by significant difficulties in social interaction and nonverbal communication, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests. As a milder autism spectrum disorder (ASD), it differs from other ASDs by relatively normal language and intelligence. Although not required for diagnosis, physical clumsiness and unusual use of language are common. Signs usually begin before two years of age and typically last for a person’s entire life.
The exact cause of Asperger’s is unknown.
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Climate change alarmists need read a little history and may be surprised to find that Charles Dickens great story “a Christmas Carol” was based only one of the only white Christmas’s in London during his lifetime. They were virtually unknown in the 19th century in London.
Does that mean it was warmer then? Or might it have bee the dense smog that covered the city from coal and wood fireplaces that people found necessary for food and warmth in their home..
Coal powered electricity revolutionised the atmosphere over London and benefited all of mankind. Unreliable renewable power is not going to do anything but back take us backward. HELE coal power, gas or nuclear are the current possibilities for safe, reliable and cheaper power to maintain and improve life in the foreseeable future.
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I can’t speak for other countries but in Australia the group most at risk from climate despair are our school kids.
Human induced “catastrophic” global warming is an accepted fact in our classrooms. Al Gore’s SciFi movie is still being shown to our kids. This is why (for example) we see school kids protesting to our prime minister for climate action.
Obviously these kids are not taught that Australia emits just 1.3% of the “problem”. But I suppose it’s easier to wag school and protest on the lawns of Parliament House than to attempt similar in Beijing?
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“Probably due to stories like this one.”
Nail, meet hammer.
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