Please, sell us your low lying land
Let’s play sea level bingo with the latest advertising from the Merchants of Sea-level Scares.
Hitting the media outlets tonight — the latest “Prepare to Die” news stories claim we must plan now for evacuees, refugees, inundation and homeless koalas. All the usual features of marketing are there — firstly all the images they use are from mocked up futuristic sea level rise. Secondly, it’s not a continuation of current trends, it a sudden acceleration — in this case from 1mm to year to 9mm a year, effectively starting tomorrow.
1 tiny millimeter
From 1969 – 2013 the seas have not changed the beaches around these Tuamotu atolls — or almost any other atoll you can name.
By every method known to man, seas are rising around 1mm a year:
- 1,000 tide gauges,
- hundreds of studies of beaches,
- satellites measuring sea levels, and
- satellites measuring beaches.
All anyone needs to know about sea levels is that for the last 50 years sea levels have been rising at 1mm a year as shown by a thousand tide gauges all over the world. There was no acceleration. (Beenstock et al). Some of those gauges were rising, some falling, but when averaged out, it’s almost a wash at 1mm. Nils-Axel Morner took the opposite approach and studied 50 beaches around Scandinavia intensely, figured out which beach was at the centre of the turning crust and calculated that the seas were only rising at 0.9mm a year and for the last 125 years. (Morner, 2014).
Believe it or not, that fits with what the satellites used to say too (Morner 2004). From 1992 – 2000 the satellites recorded a rise of less than 1mm a year, but by 2003 that trend was retrospectively “adjusted” up to 2.3mm/year. As far as Morner can figure out, the satellites were calibrated to one sinking tide gauge in Hong Kong.
It also fits with the 560 odd papers that Nils has written.
Satellites are now tracking every 20m rolling sandspit above the seas — and if seas were rising the beaches would surely be shrinking. Instead of 709 islands in the Pacific and Indian oceans 89% either stayed the same or got bigger. (Duvat, 2018). Not one island large enough to have human inhabitants was getting smaller. Not one.
Most of man made warming is made by adjustments
We don’t need sea walls to stop the rise, just an independent science audit.
Before adjustments:
A lot of the rise here is just the El Nino effect of 1998 in any case.
Figure 5. Annual mean sea-level changes observed by TOPEX/POSEIDON in 2000, after technical “corrections” were applied (from Menard, 2000). A slow, long-term rising trend of 1.0 mm/year was identified, but this linear trend may have been largely an artefact of the naturally-occurring El Niño Southern Oscillation event in cycles 175-200.
After adjustments:
Figure 7. Sea-level changes after “calibration” in 2003. The satellite altimetry record from the TOPEX/POSEIDON satellites, followed by the JASON satellites. As presented by Aviso (2003), the record suddenly has a new trend representing an inferred sea-level rise of 2.3 ±0.1 mm/year. This means that the original records presented in Figs. 5-6, which showed little or no sea-level rise, must have been tilted to show a rise of as much as 2.3 mm/year. We must now ask: what is the justification for this tilting of the record?
Sea levels have been rising for 2 centuries – the rate hasn’t changed
As far as the eye can see, it has nothing to do with CO2. Fully 85% or more of all our human emissions of CO2 have been produced since World War II and nothing changed.
[Graphed by Jo Nova based on data from Jevrejura et al located at this site PMSML]
There are large natural forces in here that are not well understood — look at the way the rate of change of sea level has rolled in cycles in the last 200 years.
Source: Jevrejeva 2008
Scream and run soon say the ABC
As usual, Nik Kilvert of the ABC doesn’t do any research or ask any hard questions. He’s just a distant part of the Science propaganda unit. The gloom and doom is based on highly adjusted data being fed into junk models and extrapolated beyond the error bars, but don’t expect Nik to report that. Truly terrible science needs truly terrible journalism to live on long enough to get the next grant.
Climate change evacuation planning needs to start now, scientists urge
Nik Kilvert, ABC
From Bangladesh to the Philippines and the low-lying islands of the South Pacific, the impacts of climate change for many people around the world are going to get much worse, very soon.
Some people will become stateless, and will need to find homes in new countries, while others will need to relocate within their own borders.
Researchers writing in Science today argue that it’s time to begin preparing the retreat of people living in regions that will become uninhabitable due to climate change.
Average global sea level will rise by up to 77 centimetres by the end of the century if warming is kept to 1.5 degrees Celsius, according to IPCC predictions.
Extreme weather events, saltwater incursion and bushfires are also expected to displace people in the near future.
etc, etc, etc
Trust the ABC to throw a bushfire scare into a sea level story.
Ruairi
Small changes in sea-level rise,
Should not come as any surprise,
But a reading adjusted,
Can’t really be trusted,
As it’s not what the reading implies.
Sea levels are always changing and past changes were often larger.
- Past changes were larger in the Maldives (Mörner, 2007); In Connecticut (van de Plassche, 2000),; SW Sweden – Kattegatt Sea region (Mörner, 1971, 1980); In the Kattegatt and the Baltic (Åse, 1970; Mörner, 1980, 1999; Ambrosiani, 1984; Hansen et al., 2012). Other sites (e.g. Pirazzoli, 1991). [See the link above for the full references].
- White et al showed seas around Australia were rising at about the same speed during the depression era as they are now.
Other posts on Sea Levels
- Sea level rise less than 1mm for last 125 years in Kattegatt, Europe — Nils-Axel Morner
- Are sea-levels rising? Nils-Axel Mörner documents a decided lack of rising seas
- Global sea level rise a bit more than 1mm a year for last 50 years, no acceleration
- Sea level rise slowed from 2004 – Deceleration, not acceleration as CO2 rises.
- Man-made sea-level rises are due to global adjustments
- Australian sea levels have been falling for 7000 years
- Australian sea level rises exaggerated by 8 fold (or maybe ten)
- It wasn’t CO2: Global sea levels started rising before 1800
- Australian sea-levels respond to CO2 by slowing down…
- 10% of sea level rise is due to land rising too. Got that?
- South Pacific sea levels – Best records show little or no rise?!
- Mass carbon emissions, yet Australian sea levels rise at similar speed as 1920 – 1950
- Climate change creates free real estate in Tuvalu: “climate refugees” can all go home
- Rising sea-levels in the Indian Ocean due to man-made “adjustments” not CO2
- Kiribati sinking “like Titanic” but 59 million times slower
- Asian sea levels changed rapidly 6,000 years ago — natural sea level rise “unprecedented”
REFERENCE
Duvat, V. K. E. (2018). A global assessment of atoll island planform changes over the past decades. Wiley Interdisciplinary Reviews: Climate Change, e557. doi:10.1002/wcc.557
Michael Beenstock, Daniel Felsenstein,*Eyal Frank & Yaniv Reingewertz, (2014) Tide gauge location and the measurement of global sea level rise, Environmental and Ecological Statistics, May 2014 [Abstract]
Morner. N.A. (2004) Estimating future sea level changes from past records, Global and Planetary Change 40 49–54 doi:10.1016/S0921-8181(03)00097-3 [PDF]
Nils‐Axel Mörner (2014) Deriving the Eustatic Sea Level Component in the Kattaegatt Sea, Global Perspectives on Geography (GPG). American Society of Science and Engineering, Volume 2, 2014, www.as‐se.org/gpg
Jevrejeva, S., A. Grinsted, J. C. Moore, and S. Holgate (2006), Nonlinear trends and multiyear cycles in sea level records, J. Geophys. Res., 111,
Jevrejeva, S., J. C. Moore, A. Grinsted, and P. L. Woodworth (2008), Recent global sea level acceleration started over 200 years ago?, Geophys. Res. Lett., 35, L08715, doi:10.1029/2008GL033611. [PDF]
Why let historical facts overcome acres of propaganda used to justify a takeover of the global economy and the destruction of technological civilization? Once the population of the earth is reduced to a few 100,000 individuals, the earth will be saved or so they say.
It is held to be irrelevant that none of their predictions of total doom have come true over the thousands of years of recorded history. While, if enough people predict enough things for long enough, someone will be right sometime about something.
Then, they claim, all of you deniers will be sorry that you did not follow their recommendations/dictates and believe their claims that the science was settled. Their recommendation was and is to commit slow suicide now rather than wait for the catastrophe that is not going to happen sometime in the distant future.
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Wait for prices to drop then snap up sone prime real estate.
Even if the ibsurance companies wont touch it initially, worth doing I think.
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Just like Barak obama, the eco nut who’s buying beachfront property because climate aint changing.
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1mm is rewared with A$500M. What is 2mm worth?
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> The Club of Rome.
Some interesting reading:
https://in-this-together.com/who-are-the-new-world-order-a-brief-history/
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“My name is Jacob Rothschild. My family is worth 500 trillion dollars. We own nearly every central bank in the world. We financed both sides of every war since Napoleon. We own your news, the media, your oil, and your government. You have probably never heard of me.”
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What is this thing called news? …(With all due respect to Cole Porter.)
This funny thing called news?
Just who can solve its mystery?
Why should it make a fool of me?
I saw you there with some wonderful play
Take real-life facts and throw them away.
That’s why I ask with brain confused,
What is this thing they call ‘news’?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhO-otysTvQ
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Thanks Jo for bringing all the actual facts together on this non science.
Yes the Australian Brainwashing Corporation
has been gearing up
It’s campaign
The past few days.
More scarist nonsense !
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Once again…sorry to jump on first post. BUT! Too good, is this!
Dr Tim Ball wins against the hockey stick Mann!
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What, the judge got it right!! Usually judicial appointees are usually, how would I say – LEFT. Ball must have got a good one.
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How many years has it been? Anyway congratulations Tim Ball.
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No BOM weather station sites underwater yet.
I’m sure that the BOM would gleefully tell us
If ever that happened !
🙂
But Ken is still working on BOM’s network
Telling is which ones are NOT compliant
With BOM’s own guidelines.
There are now 51 non compliant stations
And increasing at 2 per day
Point Hicks & Cape Nelson
Outed today !
More coming !
Can any of us guess where they will be ?
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More drivel from the south end of a north-bound bull.
Ho hum…
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Obama must think this sea level rise crisis is a whole lot of crap. He is buying a US$15 million mansion on Martha’s Vineyard, which is a Massachusetts island, sits in the Atlantic just south of Cape Cod. A long-time New England summer colony, it encompasses harbour towns and lighthouses, sandy beaches and farmland. It’s accessible only by boat or air. Vineyard Haven, on the eastern end, is a ferry port and the island’s commercial centre. Oak Bluffs has Carpenter Gothic cottages and an iconic carousel.
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I will consider worrying about sea level rise when Al Gore starts to worry about it:
Al Gore Buys $8.9 Million Ocean-view Villa
https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JDS1tbl3oR4/WcWU3BfyclI/AAAAAAABOEI/sEf7txz-E_8M6rh-XLCKU-mgGsYRUAQtgCLcBGAs/s1600/1_190m_owi33qG0Bt1u1w3aqo1_1280.jpg
https://jokes.conservativepapers.com/files/2010/05/Al-Gore-Beach-House1.jpg
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People who live in Mudecito, CA can have and keep Algore-rhythm entirely to their own selves–ditto with the folks round his other villas, ditto with Tesla-Musk, ditto with the exponents of nuclear. If you don’t think by now that the yahoo is on the juvenile/primitive/delinquent side of things, do you really need hundreds more years to prove it??
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Somewhat off-topic but worth reading:
Friday Funny: Extinction Rebellion Conference Report
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/23/friday-funny-extinction-rebellion-conference-report/
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Navy will have to take drastic action, or their boats will sink below the sea level rise. !
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There is also the concern that sea level will rise so much that islands will start to float and therefore be in danger of tipping over. US Congressman Hank Johnson is particularly concerned about Guam because there are so many US Marines stationed there.
Congressman Johnson: This is a[n] island that at its widest level is what … twelve miles from shore to shore? And at its smallest level … uh, smallest location … it’s seven miles between one shore and the other? Is that correct?
Admiral Willard: I don’t have the exact dimensions, but to your point, sir, I think Guam is a small island.
Congressman Johnson: Very small island, about twenty-four miles, if I recall, long, twenty-four miles long, about seven miles wide at the least widest place on the island and about twelve miles wide on the widest part of the island, and I don’t know how many square miles that is. Do you happen to know?
Admiral Willard: I don’t have that figure with me, sir, I can certainly supply it to you if you like.
Congressman Johnson: Yeah, my fear is that the whole island will become so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.
Admiral Willard: We don’t anticipate that …
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Hank Johnston on You Tube with his fears of Guam tipping over is an old favourite of mine and never fails to give me a laugh.
It appears Alexandra Occasional Cortex might replace Hank in the CCCC. (Climate Change Comedy Club.
It’s a shame that taxpayers are funding these idiots.
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It is also an old joke, from Bob Hope dating to the 1950’s, when on a show trip to US Bases. He quipped that Jane Mansfield (in bikini) went for a dip in the ocean and all the marines rushed to that side of the island, almost making it overturn.
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Give me Jane Mansfield any day. She can tip my island whenever she wants…twice if it’s Sunday. 🙂
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“It appears Alexandra Occasional Cortex might replace Hank in the CCCC.”
Well they have one thing in common, people just don’t appreciate their dry sense of humor:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez: “That Thing I Said About The World Ending In 12 Years Was ‘Dry Humor’”
Hank Johnson: “I was simply voicing my concerns —albeit with a dry sense of humor — that the addition of that many people could tip the delicate balance and do permanent harm to Guam.”
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Is the failed massive rapid sea level rise now also dry humour? The Day after Tommorrow is looking much like the Day before Yesterday.
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Dry humor or not she’s the most ignorant woman I’ve ever seen. The only way she was elected is that the voter turnout was very low, allowing a few thousand nut cases to win the district. If she had to face voters with the brains it takes to come in out of the rain she couldn’t be elected dog catcher.
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. . . “she’s the most ignorant woman I’ve ever seen.” Surely you mean EQUALLY ignorant?
You’ve forgotten Maxine Waters (D):
“North Korea and South Korea you need to stop fighting — you are both Japanese.”
“My fear is if North Korea nukes us, Trump gonna get us into a war.”
“Over 170 million jobs could be lost” — there are only an estimated 135 million jobs in the US.
“I have to march because my mother couldn’t have an abortion”.
AND Shelia Jackson Lee (D):
“Homicide is the leading cause of murder.”
Strange is it not how all these people seem to have a D after their name?
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You’re right, I did. But in my weak-kneed defense I’l argue that Maxine Waters is not being given the press attention given to AOC+3.
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For an ignorant old Aussie
is this Congressman Johnson
A real US pollie ?
On part of a US TV comedy team
He certainly got me laughing !
I would be very worried if he
Is a real elected US pollie !
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Congressman Hank Johnson has been a member of the US House of Representatives for the Georgia’s 4th district since 2007. Here is how he later explained his comment:
“I wasn’t suggesting that the island of Guam would literally tip over,” said Johnson. “I was using a metaphor to say that with the addition of 8,000 Marines and their dependents —an additional 80,000 people during peak construction on the tiny island with a population of 180,000 — could be a tipping point which could adversely affect the island’s fragile ecosystem and could overburden its stressed infrastructure. Having traveled to Guam last year, I saw firsthand how this beautiful — but vulnerable island — could easily become overburdened, and I was simply voicing my concerns —albeit with a dry sense of humor — that the addition of that many people could tip the delicate balance and do permanent harm to Guam.”
You can watch and judge for yourself:
https://www.bing.com/search?q=hank+johnson+guam&form=ANNNB7&sp=2&qs=LS&pq=hank+johnson+&sk=HS1&sc=8-13&cvid=d541d2d19eb4423e81903c6c8cc7eadd&cc=US&setlang=en-US
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Dopy silly bastard !
How in the hell do Georgia voters cop him ?
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It’s time for Admiral Raeder to make a call to his last remaining U-Boat.. Just joking.
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abc: “From Bangladesh to the Philippines and the low-lying islands of the South Pacific, the impacts of [global warming] for many people around the world are going to get much worse, very soon.”
It’s worse than we first thought …
Bangladesh wants Australia’s coal for new power stations
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/bangladesh-wants-australia-s-coal-for-new-power-stations-20190722-p529ls.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1563786212
Indonesian firm to export coal to Bangladesh
https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/06/19/indonesian-firm-to-export-coal-to-bangladesh.html
Bangladesh signs deal with China to set up coal-based power plant
https://energy.economictimes.indiatimes.com/amp/news/coal/bangladesh-signs-deal-with-china-to-set-up-coal-based-power-plant/64072516?__twitter_impression=true
BBC, 2008: Bangladesh landmass ‘is growing’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7532949.stm
UN 1989: “A senior U.N. environmental official says entire nations could be wiped off the face of the Earth by rising sea levels if the global warming trend is not reversed by the year 2000.
Coastal regions will be inundated; one-sixth of Bangladesh could be flooded, displacing a fourth of its 90 million people.”
https://apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0
Worst apocalypse. Ever.
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There is evidence that sea level on the east coast of Australia was 1.5 – 2 metres higher 800 – 1200 years ago. (Lewis, Stephen E., Wüst, Raphael A.J., Webster, Jody, M., Collins, John, Wright, Shelley, A., and Jacobsen, Geraldine (2015) Rapid relative sea-level fall along north-eastern Australia between 1200 and 800 cal. yr BP: an appraisal of the oyster evidence. Marine Geology, 370. pp. 20-30.)
There is a plain example of this- an old beach- near my beach house. It is also evident in Google maps images of coastal lakes and lagoons in northern NSW.
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When I was a kid, Ken, on Moreton Bay normal BP king tides would come over the AHD100 sea wall and trickle into our well.
The wall and the well are still there and guess where they come to today?
How about between 150 and 300 mm LOWER!
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There are areas around Eungella, West of Mackay in Qld, 1000 meters above current sea levels,where there are deposits of fossilized shellfish.Local land mark,Mt Fort Cooper, is a table top mount the top of which is the old sea bed is west of Eungella and even higher above current sea level. Is this an example of inversesea level rise……..
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The undeniable trend over the last 7,000 years has been that of sea level fall.
The problem is that people have taken current sea level variations that are minimal and barely measurable and made the claim that seas are rising.
The true context is evident in the longer term view but has been cleverly wiped by IPCCCCC advocates.
The next significant movement will be down.
KK
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KK, would you provide a link to data/graph supporting your assertion please?
My understanding is that global sea levels were 120m below current levels at the glacial maximum some 21k yrs past. Once the thaw was underway, levels rose steeply over the following 14k years. Since about 7k yrs ago, the sea level change has been essentially negligible, consistent with the overall stable warmth of the Holocene. As the Holocene has continued to cool over last millennia or so, punctuated by the brief warm periods, one would indeed expect sea levels to start gradually lowering again. Tony Heller analyses tide gauges around the US and essentially demonstrates (from recollection) no significant change, certainly in the last century or more.
It is interesting to observe the current escalation in eco-derangement/climatism, born perhaps of a juxtaposition of inconvenient facts and truths, to wit:
1. The rise in national populism and growing rejection of the corporatist globalist ideology.
2. The growing chasm between modelled, virtual, imaginary, adjusted, and manipulated data, and reality, each trending in opposite directions.
3. The creeping awareness that the eco-faith relies on de-population, de-industrialisation, destitution and despair, and is therefore by definition, utterly unsustainable.
4. The wanton grating hypocrisy of the eco-e-lite, elegantly summed up by Brendan O’Neill … Pipe down, Elton, you eco-snob
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Latus Dextro:
It is not that simple. The Holocene Optimum (roughly 9,000 – 5,000 years ago) was warmer than present, and resulted in glaciers melting. After that there were changes in climate with a slow decline (with cycles) for the last 3,000 years, which has resulted in more ice, hence a drop in sea level.
We have evidence like the position of the early sea port of Ur, which is now 200km from the Persian Gulf. Certainly some of that distance is due to silt deposition from the Tigris & Euphrates rivers, but other places have also been affected. The suggestion is that the level in the Persian Gulf has gone down around 2 metres.
Ephesus in southern Turkey, a roman seaport, is now 8km. inland (complicated by tectonic uplift?). Pevensey castle in England was a Roman seaside fort, and where William the Conqueror’s fleet took anchor. It is now a mile inland. Other known roman ports in England are now, at best, usable by yachts. Ostia, originally the main port of Rome is now inland.
The pass at Thermopylae was narrow so it could be defended by a few Greek troops in 480 B.C. but in WW2 any thought of defending it against the German army was abandoned when it proved to be a (slightly sloping) plain with a minimum 6 Km. width. The Bahamas (& parts of Florida) are thought to be recent real estate.
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Hi Latus,
I recently made a comment about this on another thread and was “attacked” by a fellow called Alan. I do concede that in taking other people’s use of the Ephysus dry up to show sea levels fall I might have been too trusting.
My geology teacher many decades ago spoke of the 4 foot drop in sea levels over the last 2,000 years and when I heard about Ephesus it seemed to be mutual confirmation. More recently in the link below Alan indicated that the problem with Ephesus may have been uplift and silting.
It’s a complex problem. At the end of the last glaciation for example, New York central park was under almost a mile deep ice field and for sure would not have melted evenly.
During the big melt of about 14ka you mention there was a significant halt in the melt half way through: sea levels stopped rising, but eventually went off again and I believe overshot the current sea levels significantly.
From the North pole to the South Pole sea levels have undoubtedly moved with a great deal of variance.
Australia seems to have experienced things on the minor end with about 2 metres being reported.
Elsewhere around the world topouts of 4 metres were found and in some places up to six metres.
A bit of an idea about world variations over the last 7 ka can be seen in the link contained in the reference to the previous thread.
In putting together my understanding of this a few years ago I came across a great graph that had been put together by someone and it showed a fairly clear oscillation down from a peak sea level following the big melt.
The constant rise and fall over the last six thousand years was well illustrated and seems to endorse my belief that the polar accumulation is increasing and that this is indicative of lower polar temperature and no doubt lower world temperature.
http://joannenova.com.au/2019/08/climate-expert-or-un-certified-seer-joelle-gergis-does-gut-wrenching-grieving-horror-volcanic-rage/#comment-2172740
The main thing I was trying to establish here was the fairly obvious downward trend in sea level over the last few thousand years. Getting past graphical effects like compressing the sea level height axis, using an “average” to show a smooth transition from big melt to our interglacial, and selectively using data from one location on Earth’s surface, mat be difficult.
I still recon there’s more ice on the poles now than 6 thousand years ago and that ocean levels have been remarkably stable for a long time now.
KK
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might be.
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Hi there KK,
Thanks for taking the trouble to reply.
I was trying to chase down the data for your assertion and I realise the complexity of the MSL subject, not least because claiming the presence of GMSL has equally enormous difficulties as claiming GMT, the latter unfailingly quoted without standard deviation or range, which is outrageous but ideologically understandable, particularly if one is bent on utilising fractions of a degree (temperature anomaly) as evidence of CAGW, given that established climate variability (UNFCCC defined) showed the average standard deviation of detrended temperature in centennial periods over the last 8000 years of the Holocene (derived from ice cores) to be 0.98 ±0.27C (Lloyd 2015), which puts us firmly in the ball court of business as usual.
(quoting from data here) — “The rapid fall in sea level as the Laurentide ice sheet built up and followed by the rapid rise in sea level when the glaciers retreated, with a slowing of the rise about 10,000 years ago, and a further slowing about 3,000 years ago when near present-day levels were reached (most coastal wetlands formed since this time)”. Jo’s post, Sea level rise less than 1mm for last 125 years in Kattegatt, Europe — Nils-Axel Morner highlighted the remarkably stable sea level with a slow rise (0.8mm pa) over the last 8000 years associated chiefly with a eustatic factor, see graph, at least in that part of the World, although it appears that the Lempriere-Ross mark in Sydney indicates no change (sitting 30cm above sea level) since it was installed in 1841, illustrating the nuance of GMSL fall, rise, or stasis.
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LD
This is the link from the other post.
It isn’t the one that seems to have a world wide coverage all on the one graph but a lot of locations worldwide.
KK
https://notrickszone.com/2017/08/21/10000-to-5000-years-ago-global-sea-levels-were-3-meters-higher-temperatures-4-6-c-warmer/
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South Africa, 3.5 meters higher than present, Lecea et al., 2017
“Ramsay (1995) produced a 9 kyr BP record of sea-level changes from the South African east coast, that showed sea levels reached a high stand of +3.5 m [above present] at 4.65 kyr BP [4,650 years ago]. … In Mozambique, Norström et al., (2012) identified a sea-level highstand ~3 m above present at ~ 6.6 kyr BP.”
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https://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/Holocene-Cooling-Sea-Level-South-Africa-Lecea-2017.jpg
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Goes without saying that sea levels have had to drop since the dwindling of the Optimum, end of the Sahara pluvial etc. No mystery, nothing new. We are just supposed to ignore long-established science because it gets in the way of the political narrative. As for sea level rise following the LIA…”Alexa, please tell me what I’m doing wrong and why not even Barry O could stop the rise of the oceans.”
Celebs and the distortion outlets called “news” have been caught using photos of past fires to magnify the present fire/drought events in S America. It’s important to know about the present bad situation…but you won’t get to know. It’s always about the narrative, the “‘geddon”. Pretend the late 1870s never happened and you have “unprecedented” events in Brazil. Proportion and context have to take a back seat in the war for racing hearts and mush minds.
Right now we’re in the middle of a grim drought on the midcoast of NSW. Even the most hard-headed of my neighbours have been making remarks about “worst ever”, “unprecedented” etc. The rainfall records are pretty clear and detailed: 1902 was even drier to this date, autumn/winter 1895 was much drier after big summer growth. Why are old fossils of information important to me? Because what has happened will happen. Knowledge of the present drought will be important to somebody next century. Dismissing history is deadly. The New Man at Year Zero with his cool beliefs and correct political postures does not want history and “all that old stuff”. But this is Australia, and you are going to cop too much everything and too little of everything, and you won’t get to know when. “All that old stuff” is going to be your new stuff even if you choose not to know.
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Moso, are you saying we don’t want to know about history?
It’s a a thing of the past? ☺
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People say St George supporters constantly refer to the past. They wouldn’t have dared say that to me in 1956.
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What a delicious description of the frappé swilling metrosexual with shrivelled testicles (blame it on global warming) and crossed legs, hunched over “his” iPad or tablet, downloading climaporn and x-rated e
rotco-fiction dramas. /rhet /irresistible40
It would be nice if such scaremongers were prosecuted and put behind bars for life where they belong for perpetrating a scam of massive proportions, much larger than any in the past where people were indeed imprisoned as such.
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It’s interesting that this BoM site shows current mean sea levels lower than 105 years ago but they or the media are completely silent on the fact:
http://www.bom.gov.au/ntc/IDO70000/IDO70000_60370_SLD.shtml
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… just as the MSM remain silent regarding the ideological unscientific adjustment of temperature data, to cool the past and amplify the present — Corruption Of The US Temperature Record
Tony Heller covers this and many other pertinent points superbly.
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Ref Fort Denison records. If you look at the PDF plot by hitting this link at the top of the table you actually see a gradual rise. Whether this is significant and whether this has increased since the 50’s is debatable. But there is certainly nothing there bordering on catastrophic.
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Yes, John, it took over a century for this gauge that is in a great, natural “stilling pond” adjacent to the broadest ocean in the world, to rise a bit more than 2 inches and then we wake up one morning to find that the best indicator [MSL] is suddenly 2 inches LOWER than it was over a century ago.
As Nils Axel Morner has been telling us for years; WRT global SLR there is nothing happening.
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All these reports, claims, forecasts on sea levels area lot of drivel.
Show me the equipment, be it electronic, mechanical or the bones used by witch doctors that can measure a 1 mm rise in sea levels. Not imaginary, estimated, wished for or results of some model computer using equally dodgy input data.
Out of the whole lot I think I’d rather rely on my grandma’s allergies! Probably just as inaccurate.
Stop the blatant lying please. I can tolerate BS because some do it for entertainment, but blatant lying from organisations using my tax money to lie to me is a step toooo far.
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SD….Hush, hush mate !
Don’t let the public know the actual data !
The ABC’s scary campaign might flop !
And their Journalists have no story
Poor sods !
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spangled drongo:
You have convinced me. If all these reports (about rising sea levels) are correct, and how can we doubt such honest scientists with their records of successful predictions, so there can only be one explanation, Sydney is rising! How can that be possible on a tectonically stable continent like Australia? Answer – it must be tipping down in the West.
It is all caused by that natural gas that the sandgropers are pumping out and shipping overseas. Like a deflating balloon the rocks are subsiding. I call on the NSW & Vic. Premiers to start pumping natural gas from under their territories and get Australia back on the level, or we will face disaster in
12, 10, 5 yearsnay, 15 weeks, or sooner.Saint Greta help us poor sinners see the (non electric) light!
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Yes, I saw that PS. Wonderful news. The eco-Marxist hyperbolic sea level kraptitude is finally done. It’s time to celebrate and prepare for a new scare.
GLOBAL WARMING OVER! OBAMAS BUY $15 MILLION BEACHFRONT MANSION
If the pecksniffian eco-e-lite know a ruse when they see one, then so do the hoi polloi.
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As far as the Pacific islands go..the US military have an excellent photographic record of many of the strategic islands all through the Pacific dating from WW2. Compare 2019 to 1944 to see which way vegitation has gone,
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“Immediately the Americans landed [Funafuti, 1942] a Construction Battalion (‘Seabees’) began building an airstrip [which] destroyed nearly half the coconut trees”. They dredged coral from the reef, as well as reclaiming parts of the lagoon, which is where the local saying, *we lost some trees but gained an airport and more land* came from [*may or may not be true*].
http://tuvaluislands.com/ww2/ww2-index.htm
Walter Munk, who died earlier this year aged 101, was part of a Scripps team of oceanographers which devised a method of forecasting surf conditions – for landing troops – in Europe and the Pacific during WW2. In 1963, he and his wife lived in American Samoa, studying swells as they travelled the Great Circle from the southern Indian Ocean across the Pacific to the shores of Alaska:
Waves Across The Pacific (1963, 30 min)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MX5cKoOm6Pk
Munk’s enigma
“In his later work, Munk focused on the relation between changes in ocean temperature, sea level, and the transfer of mass between continental ice and the ocean. This work described what came to be known as ‘Munk’s enigma’, a large discrepancy between observed rate of sea level rise and its expected effects on the earth’s rotation”.
[Apologies for above quote from wicked-pedia but hey, sea level rise/drop affecting Earth’s rotation? Not bad for a kid from a Jewish Austrian banking family who preferred skiing, then in the US, body-surfing and studying waves, to being a banker]
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We have often mentioned undersea volcanoes and possible aftermath.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-23/giant-pumice-raft-makes-its-way-to-great-barrier-reef/11444020
Generally speaking on sea level rise, it appears the satellite is alarmist and tide gauge rational. No need for concern.
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Phil Watson was roasted by the Klimatariat for this revelation.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/sea-level-rises-are-slowing-tidal-gauge-records-show/news-story/0c74004c1f71b13edc57de78381f9539
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I saw that too EG, but you didn’t tell everyone the best bits regarding the pumice’s impact on coral regeneration.
From Associate Professor Scott Bryan of Queensland University of Technology referring to the pumice raft:
We’re going to have millions of individual corals and lots of other organisms all coming in together with the potential of finding new homes along our coastline.
This is a way for healthy, young corals to be rapidly introduced to the Great Barrier Reef.
. . . this sort of event was occurring every five years.
[The raft] is a natural mechanism for species to colonise, restock and grow in a new environment . . .
It’s just one way that nature can help promote regeneration.
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FYI, Dr. Tim Ball won his suit in the BC Supreme Court, Michael Mann ordered to pay legal costs.
Mark Steyn suit vs. Mann still in play for USD 20 M.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/08/22/breaking-dr-tim-ball-wins-michaelemann-lawsuit-mann-has-to-pay/
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Ball has not yet won the case initiated by Mann. The court dismissed the defamation suit between Andrew Weaver and Tim Ball. There was no decision on costs. This link has the details of the case:
https://www.bccourts.ca/jdb-txt/sc/18/02/2018BCSC0205.htm
Michael Mann had a recent win in court. This from his twitter:
The link to the apology does not give an active page – so there may be some games being played.
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On the matter of costs, it is likely Ball will at least have his legal fees paid and he could rightfully claim for his time involved. I have seen other civil cases where the plaintiff has been hit with punitive costs awarded to the defendant in addition to the legal fees. But I do not know enough about the legal system to be certain Ball will recover all his costs. It has gone on for a long time.
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According to Dr. Ball
“Michael Mann’s case against me was dismissed this morning by the BC Supreme Court and they awarded me [court] costs.”
The Weaver decision was in Feb 2018. The Mann/Ball case was Aug 2019. Different cases altogether.
In Feburary 2018 there was a complete dismissal in the lawsuit brought against Dr. Ball by Andrew Weaver of Canada, also for “defamation”.
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Checked with the court records and there is a file for 20 Aug on this case. It costs to access so I will not be doing that.
Found another web site with some detail apart from WUWT:
https://principia-scientific.org/breaking-news-dr-tim-ball-defeats-michael-manns-climate-lawsuit/
There is no MSM with this news. It appears it did not happen as far as Michael Mann is concerned – he may be hyperventilating. Maybe IPCC will pick up the tab.
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BBC + ABC + RNZ = BS⁶⁶⁶
It’s as if these globalist
propagandasocial engineering media outlets all ‘breathe together’ with one ultimate aim in mind, namely, scaring the peasants away from their homes/businesses on the coast and beside rivers for the self-chosen elect few. Our govt spokes-idiots issued this alert on Thursday:https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/397277/new-reports-map-cost-of-flood-risk-under-climate-change
The above article includes a link to the papers below. “As our climate changes, flooding caused by both increased rainfall and rising sea levels – in coastal areas and on floodplains – is expected to increase… This project has produced flood maps and models that...” Same-old same-old blah-blah garbage.
https://www.deepsouthchallenge.co.nz/projects/national-flood-risks-climate-change
In the old colonial days, drowning (whether in rivers or the ocean) was called ‘the New Zealand death’ it was so common. There is no new thing under the sun.
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It’s quite amazing how people can talk absolute rubbish with absolute conviction.
Remember “100 metre” Robyn Williams who in 2007 saw a 100 metre rise by 2100 as a real possibility when lecturing Andrew Bolt?
As that amounts to 1.1 metre per year, someone would have noticed a 12 metre rise since?
Seriously, the Circular key area of Sydney harbour should be 12 metres under water by now along with all of Port Melbourne and South Melbourne. The Gold Coast would not exist.
Not only a graduate Physicist and so science guy for the ABC, he was a Tom Jones understudy.
Now they are talking 700mm in 100 years and we should already be 70mm up. Even then, someone would have noticed, surely? And what about the previous 120 years?
Having lived next to the beach most of my life and sailed and travelled to many ports in many countries, it’s rubbish.
So we read it’s going to happen suddenly, very, very soon. Mark their words. Again.
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In fact as with much of Hobson’s Bay in Melbourne, the suburbs of Port Melbourne and South Melbourne are generally 1-6metres above sea level.
When the Yarra flooded, the entrance blocked by sandy fens, the whole areae would be under water. Only ‘Emerald Hill’ would stick out of the water, an island on top of which
stands the old South Melbourne Town Hall.
So you would think that Williams 1.1 metres a year would have been noticed in the last 200 years. Especially as the road along the bay, Beaconsfield Parade is only 1 metre above sea level but as far as I can tell since my grandmother’s grandmother landed in 1841 at Port Melbourne, it is exactly the same. Especially with houses built on the sand in the 1850s and unchanged. However we are told we are in a flood zone due to Climate Change. One Insurance company even increased the rate to $7000 a year because of this. The owner quickly changed insurance companies.
I would not be surprised if there has been no change in mean sea level in those two centuries. That is based on careful obsevation over a lifetime. There is what you are told and what you know to be true. In terms of rapid sea level rise, someone is in denial. I suppose I have to admit it. I deny the whole thing, simply because it’s obviously not true. No science needed.
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For those who are interested, there is a great topographical map of the area. You can click on it to see elevation. I have never seen sea water across Beaconsfield parade, except rain water in a massive storm or water blown across.
I will let everyone know if I see rapid sea level rise of more than a few mm in a lifetime.
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Speaking of rubbish….
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-08-23/what-happens-to-weather-balloons-after-they-stop-collecting-data/11399536
“Weather balloons vital for climate science but pollution they create poses dilemma for BOM
“Among rubbish found on a remote Australian beach, there is a tangle of plastic and rubber that resembles anything but a vital piece of technology.
It is a Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) weather balloon — one of 20,000 it releases into the atmosphere each year.
“But there are growing concerns about their contribution to pollution levels, prompting calls for scientists to take a more environmentally conscious approach.
“Heidi Taylor from the Tangaroa Blue Foundation, which cleans up marine debris across the country, recently came across partially degraded weather balloons on the Cocos (Keeling) Islands, more than 2,100 kilometres off the WA coast.
“”We do need to transition away from weather balloons because it is literally just littering,” she said.
“”We know they are a risk for marine animals who can ingest them because they look like jellyfish.
“”All of those components can pose risks to our wildlife — there’s batteries that we know are acidic, there are plastic components and the rubber balloon.
“”Balloons, in particular, are ingested by quite a lot of species like turtles; we have found so many of the components that are in the process of breaking up.”
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Is their concern for the animals or the Climate “scientists” being contradicted by data from weather balloons?
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I’ve seen it myself on Christmas, cocos and N keeling.
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Poor old Netherlands, nobody ever mentions them. You never hear of them panicing and leading the seal level hysteria charge. Odd, aint it?
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Nope they’re done for, there’s only so many fingers you can stick in a Dike, I guess they’ll have to make a fist of it.
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Be fair, they are rich wh£te people, and therefore not eligible for U.N.aid.
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No wonder they are depressed. They live in a depression called the Nederlands, the low lands, 7 metres below sea level, simply by building walls and pumping them out over hundreds of years.
I suspect under UN Green IPCC regulations it’s illegal to do that these days, which is why all the world’s cities will be forced to drown. To trap water behind walls or levees or dikes or in canals or dams or rivers is inhuman. Water has feelings. So you are not allowed cope with any sea level rise. Rather you have to abandon and evacuate the cities and flee to America or Germany or France or Britain. No point fleeing to Ireland or Spain or Greece because they are broke. Like the Climate Refugees from Africa fleeing persecution but refusing to go to any port in Africa.
Now Bangladesh is different. While the Pacific islands have a negligible population compared to Bangladesh, half of Bangladesh is less than one metre above sea level. Floods are routine. There must be 300 million people in the Delta at the end of the Brahmaputra and Ganges rivers and that one metre rise in sea level per year, even per decade we were promised clearly has not happened.
What is very odd is that it is all so obviously not true, but the press accepts it and prints it all, unquestioned. Why?
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Deltas GROW with any sea level rise.
Basic sedimentation takes its NATURAL course.
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And the surface is not constant either. Islands can vanish in only 100 years, as is true just north of Papua. The lands covered by glaciers only 10,000 years ago are springing back, notably Scotland and Sweden which are going up faster than the water can climb. Only 1,000 years ago the city of Stockholm had to be moved because it was too far out of the water. And delta based cities have to be moved as the land rises and the river silts up and changes course. Whole cities in the Nile Delta ceased to be functional and the ancient Egyptians dug canals to keep them going. For people who need to be near the water, a water rise would be great. For people who want to grow food, or fish, it is also wonderful to have more CO2 and proximity to water.
It is amazing that any change at all to the environment is now automatically labelled a ‘disaster’ when many are in fact quite beneficial. No one complained about the elimination of malaria from Italy, the plague which completely wiped out the original Venetian settlement on Torcello. In the original and amazing St. Petersburg, Russia, a city built by the order of Peter the Great in what was smamp, 30,000 workers died from malaria. No one misses it.
As I also noted, the dikes and terraforming of Holland and Belgium would be illegal with today’s Greens and the IPCC. Who wants hotter and wetter and more abundant. Most of the people, but not the IPCC. The most beautiful stretches of England and France would be illegal today. Even farming is a disastrous rape of the countryside and forests by replacing sacred trees with grass and animals. If farming is rape of the land, according to true Green virtue signallers milk is prostitution.
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We only sit around 400 metres above sea level in Ballarat, with the oncoming rapid rise in sea levels due to man made climate change I fear for our future and that of our children, we are going to leave them an atmosphere that’s collapsed and an earth that is uninhabitable for all life all because of the greed and ignorance of a few.
Action must be taken by the people who truly know the truth and the science of what is about to occur, if..,….
Sorry I can’t continue, just writing that drivel has shown me just how insane some people have to be to believe it.
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Cheer up Yonniestone, your children will be able to make a fortune selling sea-side Real Estate in Ballarat.
And if, by some REMOTE Chance, they cannot do that, they should try the old gold mine trick (load a shotgun cartridge with specks of gold and shoot them into the walls, then flog the mine. ( Note for trolls; check the stability of the mineshafts before discharging the gun. Your hopes may collapse on you ).
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It’s ok Yonnie; we sit at roughly 200m asl so will be able to give you good warning of disaster!
Actually, it is pretty soggy around here atm…around 85mm of rain this month. Also, it was -3C yesterday morning with a goodly long-lasting frost in the shade and it was -1C today with a frost which went more quickly. It’s 16C now at 1318 and very pleasant. I hope I can burn off some rubbish wood this afternoon if the wind doesn’t come up too much.
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In beachside Melbourne at 1 metre above sea level, I am buying up old Gondolas to provide the service around this waterworld when it happens very, very soon. There is a fortune to be made.
We also need to nick 4 broze horses from the VRC in Flemington to put the entrance to the local church.
Italian restaurants abound and we can hire a few young Italian migrants for tenors.
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I repeat what I said 2 day ago regarding the UK governments committee for climate change;
The gullibility of the masses is unlimited.
Geoffw
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Bom records for Port Vila,Vanuatu since 1994 show both Temp and Tides to be stable. Look it up
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Why no midweek or weekend unthreaded ??
..( i dont like corrupting threads with OT posts )
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No worries, any minute now.
I see a 60 year PDO cycle, what do you reckon?
http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/graphs/sea-level/sea-level-rise-jevrejura.gif
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‘During the past 400 years, climate shifts associated with changes in the PDO are shown to have occurred with a similar frequency to those documented in the 20th Century.
‘Importantly, phase changes in the PDO have a propensity to coincide with changes in the relative frequency of ENSO events, where the positive phase of the PDO is associated with an enhanced frequency of El Niño events, while the negative phase is shown to be more favourable for the development of La Niña events.’
Verdon and Franks 2006
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Nik Kilvert is an idiot. He thinks that because climate researchers don’t get paid much, they don’t have any incentive to exaggerate results.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2019-07-27/climate-change-denial-zombies-killed/11291724
In the same discussion, he refers to fundamentalist wackjob theology about the Devil to argue the apparent absurdity that climate scientists wouldn’t exaggerate results to enhance their career choices. The link between ancient theological logic and 21st century career choices must be a strong one, at least to Nik.
It is well known there is a replication crsis in science research, but somehow climate scientists and climate science are not affected, according to Nik Kilvert. He lives on another planet-which is currently the ABC.
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The surface area of the world’s oceans is 360 million square kilometers or 3.6 billion cm
therefore it would take three hundred sixty million ^3 of water to raise the sea level by 1 mm.
And this is happening year on year
Where is all this water coming from?
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Could it be Greenland. https://i.postimg.cc/vZ83sQdq/Greenland_ice_mass2.png
Or the Antarctic. https://i.postimg.cc/BnS5LySM/Antarctic-ice-mass2.png
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Could just as well be a very slight uplift movement in the sub-ocean crust.
Plate drift, etc could easily account for this tiny amount of, very obviously, totally natural sea level rise.
If it is coming from melting polar or glacial ice, its been doing it at basically a constant rate since that coldest of recent periods, the Little Ice Age.
There is absolutely no evidence of any human effect on sea level whatsoever.
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Absolutely none.
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You’ve messed up in description and units here. Taking your 360 million km^2 and 1mm of sea level rise:
1mm = 1/1,000,000 km. So the 360,000,000 km^2 at 1mm depth is 360,000,000/1,000,000 km^3 == 360 km^3. Maybe that’s what you were trying to say.
Increasing the volume of water isn’t the only way sea level can rise. If the floor of the ocean rises (say by tectonic or volcanic action) the water that was there will have to go somewhere else. Or you could get the same effect by dumping meteorites into the oceans.
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Actually I underestimated it
Nevertheless, worldwide as stated in the post the sea level is rising and the volume increasing and in the last 100 years that would be 36 billion ^3, or to fit the timescale of the post, 72 billion ^3
Not all of that can be hand waved away by thermal expansion or meteorites of a comparable volume. Mind you thermal expansion implies global warming, which ties in nicely with retreating glaciers, thinning of ice at the poles etc.
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‘Not all of that can be hand waved away by thermal expansion …’
Solar activity is the primary determinant of sea level.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_cycle_5#/media/File:Sunspot_Numbers.png
Do you know what the oscillations were doing around 1790?
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Perhaps we are looking at modest back to back La Nina.
‘Despite the apparent presence of La Niña conditions from 1788–1790 in the Pacific basin (Gergis and Fowler 2009), the temperature and MSLP records kept by William Dawes do not show a signal strong enough to be classed as a La Niña event in Sydney.’ Gergis
Its thermal expansion caused by an active sun.
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” Mind you thermal expansion implies global warming”
After the strongest period of solar cycles in over 500 years, wouldn’t you expect a little bit of warming..
.. especially after the coldest period in 10,000 or so years.
Sea ice is far more extensive and thicker than it has been for most of the last 10,000 years too.
Why continue displaying your ignorance of climate history, PF.?
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Lets look at that ocean heat content, PF,
See that little red squiggle at the end, that is what you are stupidly attempting to attribute to “global warming™”
Don’t you feel totally foolish and dumb ?
You should, that being your natural state.
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“and in the last 100 years “
it has been at a basically steady linear trend,
There is absolutely no evidence of ANY human influence on real sea level rise.
None whatsoever.
Just as there is no empirical evidence of warming by atmospheric CO2
The whole of the AGW scam is one big evidence-free charade that only the most gullible, or dishonest trough-swillers, will fall for.
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PF.. if you intend to have an inteligent debate, you will first need to learn the basics of unit nomenclature.
“billion ^3 “…is not a unit of anything..meaningless,..
At best it could be read a a “cubic billion”,..but that is also meaningless without a descriptor unit…years, km, miles, lbs, furlongs, bushells, knatskoks, ??
.. So your post is meaningless…
….as usual. !
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Water warming ?
And expanding ?
Extra water being added by meteoites colliding with the earth ?
I heard that on ABC’s Science show with Robyn Williams
So it must be so.
So , Just Physics PF !
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Sea level rise caused by thermal expansion caused by an increase in ocean heat content caused by lower than average cloud cover allowing more light to reach the oceans. About 1 percent lower cloud cover causes an increase of 3 watts per square metre which is enough to account for all the warming. No need to attribute anything to CO2.
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Normal human urinary output is 2 liters per day.
With a population of about 8 billion, this is 16 billion liters per day or 5 trillion 840 billion liters.
Round that off to 6 trillion liters, and you can see that 1 mm in the sea is just a p*ss in the ocean.
That’s where all that water is coming from, Fitz.
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where did the humans get the water from to make the urine from?
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Out of the tap silly sausage
Definitely not from the sea !
It’s too salty Fitz !
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It is all those vegans munching celery and lettuce, both very high in water content.
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Seems PF is as ignorant of the water cycle, as he is of the carbon cycle.
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While I do agree with the premise of this post, I have to express my frustration with the first two graphs. Whilst being used as comparators, the x axes are different. This discrepancy can cause embarrassment in a discussion if one doesn’t account for it prior.
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Here is one overlaid on the other..
https://i.postimg.cc/3xrc4d8Q/comparison.jpg
Very clear that the earlier data has been “adjusted™®” to create a trend far great than previously existed.
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Sea level began a steady rise at the conclusion of solar cycle five, which is more plausible than saying it had something to do with the industrial revolution.
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The left have long been looking for a poster child for SLR to further push the AGW scare. The criteria for the poster child is that it needs to be a poor nation of non-white people surrounded by sea and with no high ground in which to relocate settlements. The main problem for the lefties is that there are very few places that meet this criteria other than a few tiny Pacific and Indian ocean atolls with low populations. Tuvalu seems to get the most press coverage, however the fact that the island has grown in size over the past 30 years doesn’t help the leftý cause. Bangladesh has been another target country due to its large and poor population, however it is happily building many large coal fired power stations and this creates a political problem for the left’s anti-coal message. Thus, the entire SLR scare is now based on fake models and propaganda science.
Back here in Australia the problem with convincing people that they are about to drown is due to lack of any real evidence of a noticeable SLR. For example, if you live in Sydney, you can take a trip to the Opera House, enjoy lunch at Fort Denison and take a swim swim at Manly beach and to the naked eye the sea level is exactly the same as it ever was, even when coparing the current status with really old archive photos. To counter this problem, most SLR studies in Australia have concentrated in the far north, where scientists have blatently used the ENSO variations to create fake SLR trends based on cherry picked data after 1993, which gets the combined impacts from Pinatubo and the 1997 super El Nino to create a fake low starting point. They then try and convince us that SLR is not constant across the globe and it will have greater impact on the poor tropical island nations. Obviously these scientists have never used a spirit level.
However, in terms of SLR science, what I find most amusing is the logic which underpins the claims. This scare logic assumes that as the sea rises by x mm each year, people will remain frozen in the same spot, slowly becoming consumed by the rising water and then drown. To picture this logic, imagine arriving at a crowded beach at low tide and as the tide rises, instead of people moving their towels and possessions higher up the beach, they choose to stay put until they drown. But, instead of a 1-2m rise of water in 6 hours, this drowning will occur over 100 years, meaning the lefties expect the next generation of people to live a very long time and suffer from severe mobility issues. Oddly enough, this incomprehensible logic is now starting to make sense when you watch the daily news and notice the new trend of people super-gluing themselves to roadways across cities both here and overseas. Perhaps the real image in 100 years will be the corpses of millions of green-brainwashed zealots, all super-glued to roadways adjacent to the oceans with the water still 100s of meters away.
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So true about the lack of SLR posterchild’s. So that’s why they talk of “storm surges”, extreme tides and other random erratic scary things.
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Drivel. No other way to describe it.
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I remember Petr Beckmann remarking in September 1980 that oceans are becoming saltier, with increasing uranium concentration, because rain is washing in silt and dissolved minerals via rivers. This absolutely has to cause a slow but steady increase in sea level that has nothing to do with apocalyptic hobgoblins populating Revealed Faith in the churches of Altruria.
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