All that global warming and nothing to show for it?
Headlines rang out telling Australians that last summer was the hottest ever. But, according to the UAH satellite series, the hottest — just barely — was in 1991, when CO2 was a wonderful, safe 356 ppm. Since then, humans have emitted more than half — fully 58% — of all the emissions we have ever emitted since we crawled out of those dank caves. CO2 levels are almost 50 ppm higher now, and temperatures are almost as high.*
Wonder if this summer will get close to the summer of 1991 (and we wonder if Victoria will keep the lights on).
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The UAH data comes from NASA satellites, which cover all the Australian land mass every day and night.
The BOM (and NASA) prefers to use Australian ground data which is based on sparse thermometers that keep changing sites and equipment, are located near airport tarmacs, buildings, and cars. When readings are too cold, the BOM sometimes deletes them. Temperatures from thermometers hundreds of kilometers apart are magically homogenized and “corrected” through a secret computer process and two thirds of our warming comes from those adjustments, not from CO2 or whatever is warming the planet. To measure climate change, the BOM compares new readings from super-fast electronic one-second measurements in small 60 litre boxes to old readings from slow glass thermometers in 240 litre boxes. The agency carefully calibrates these different thermometers then throws all that data away. What’s not to like?
Here’s the BOM temperature map for summer 1991
And for summer 2019
So, 28 years later the Australian summer was about the same in the places where 24 million people live. But possibly it was hotter in places where we have almost no people and hardly any thermometers. Maybe. In the BOM’s defence it was wetter in Northern Australia in 1991 than in 2019. However this just means that if 2019 was the “hottest” then it was due to the drought, not our CO2.
Drought means higher maximums
As Roy Spencer, Ken Stewart and Bill Johnston have independently shown, rainfall cools the maximum temperatures in summer in Australia. Obviously, in summer, wet ground is cooler ground and so is the air above it. Tom Quirk has reported that the biggest differences between UAH and the BOM are in December and February.
In Australia, if the climate gets cooler we may get more droughts (due to less evaporation off the ocean), This may mean higher extreme maximums in summer than what we got during a lovely hot spell. Whatever happens, of course, a PR Bureau will call it “climate change” and they predicted it, even if they predicted the opposite.
DATA
Lower Troposphere Aust: http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/v6.0/tlt/uahncdc_lt_6.0.txt
BOM Temperature Map for Australian Summer of 2019
BOM Temperature Map for Australian Summer of 1991
* Unlike “expert climate scientists” I’m not claiming anything about CO2 because of one hot summer then or now. I claim that CO2 is largely irrelevant because the trends are not increasing, 28 million weather balloons couldn’t find the hot spot, 1,000 tide gauges show the seas are not rising fast, nor are they accelerating. Plus the climate models are wrong on the Antarctic, and hopeless on most things.
The luke warmer view ie the fundamental physics of the Greenhouse Theory is correct, but the estimated climate sensitivity to CO2 is very small.
That is ok. For myself I am looking for evidence that CO2 can help cool the Earth surface. It might seem an extreme PSI view, but it can be argued. My search was assisted recently by a contribution from the last weekend unthreaded, including a comment by Gee aye!
Hopefully I can put something together by Sunday.
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‘Hide the decline’, obvious there is (in the first graph) a decline from 1998 – 2012. So as CO2 was supposed to be increasing then, why was there a decline?
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‘The luke warmer view ie the fundamental physics of the Greenhouse Theory is correct,’ NO.
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A change in temperature implies heat transfer which is an engineering subject and has been since the father of Sadi Carnot first wrote about it in 1796. Other engineering subjects are thermodynamics, mass transfer, fluid dynamics, reaction kinetics etc. Anyone mentioning physics with respect to climate assessment does not know what they are talking about.
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Mass, heat and momentum transfer.
The concept of global warming being caused by human origin CO2 has an analogy of sorts.
A large elephant walks regularly across a bridge in the jungle and one day a mosquito flies down, sits on his back and hitches a ride. Neither the elephant nor the bridge feel a thing.
In theory it might be possible to put so many mosquitoes on the elephants back that, when piled high, the extra weight might overwhelm the elephant or cause the bridge to collapse.
There are two problems with the human origin CO2 idea, the first being that in the atmosphere the concept of an operational “greenhouse” mechanism being present is a nonsense. The second point revolves around quantitative analysis which shows that even if the mechanism was functional, the human origin CO2 has no measurable effect.
You can’t fit that many mosquitoes on the elephants back.
KK
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Modelling of global mean annual near surface temperature (GMAT) appears predicated upon top-of-the-atmosphere solar irradiance and total surface atmospheric pressure.
Advances in Space Research, Aug. 18 2015, doi: 10.1016/j.asr.2015.08.006
Emergent Model for Predicting the Average Surface Temperature of Rocky Planets with Diverse Atmospheres
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There was an El Nino in 1991-92, which explains the spike in temperatures.
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So what caused the following year’s drop, nay, plunge? Almost 2 degrees of (cough!) change.
It was the hottest of times, it was the coldest of times, it was El Niño / La Niña Extreme!
Proof the planet sporadically goes bi-polar manic-depressed. The cure? Lithium of course!
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Not sure and not an expert, but may be due to Pinatubo, which erupted in 1991.
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Pinatubo was clearly the cause of the temperature decline, a haze encircled the globe for a couple of years.
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True that. El Niños now cause volcanoes – which is our fault – according to the ‘new’ science. /facetious /flippant /sarc
I returned to NZ from the States in Aug 1991 to be greeted by EPIC snow conditions across the South Island. The following year was just as epic – deep, cold, endless snow which saw us boarders hiking & riding till New Year’s Day (summer in these parts). Some of the old skiers were reminiscing about the ‘big snows’ back in the 1960s and 70s, clearly aware of cycles and good/bad years. The mid- to late-90s settled back to ‘average’ snowfall amounts, yet monster dumps still occurred, even one from an ex-cyclone in early March (high summer) which went right over Queenstown before dredging up cold southerlies, turning the hills white with a fresh coat of summer snow.
It’s looking like your ‘Alps’ are in for a little more winter, early next week, with sub-zero temps and a touch of white on the tops:
https://www.snow-forecast.com/resorts/Perisher-Blue/6day/top
Maybe Angry Girl should be angry at SO₂ (sulphur dioxide) instead of CO₂ (carbon dioxide) – or maybe she doesn’t know the difference: it’s ‘old’ white man science after all.
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Found the culprit.
http://ciresblogs.colorado.edu/southpoleozone/2019/09/18/sudden-stratospheric-warming-over-antarctica/
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Speaking of Angry Bird…..
https://climatechangedispatch.com/climate-change-civil-war-begins/
“There is a little secret. Kept hidden from the public…that Greta Thunberg has a handler. Someone who is with her constantly and who controls what she does and says”………read more at the linked article.
[snip. Steve, that was too much more than an excerpt.] ED
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Spot on OS. She appeared subsequently at a fawning “press conference” and was asked a facile drop kick question. Unsurprisingly, the cross between Damien of the Omen and the Children of the Corn was unable to string any kind of response together, see: Greta Thunberg CRUMBLES Without Her Script
There is no secret regarding her manipulation and her handling, which has the vicious jackboot stamp of extremist eco-globalism and George Soros all over it.
Vladimir Putin ROASTS Greta Thunberg and The Adults MANIPULATING Her
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As has been previously mentioned and on many occasions, it is cloud cover that makes the difference. The adjective and convective mechanisms that can lead to lower diurnal ranges when winds and clouds come into play. Some people cannot understand this and that the ocean and atmospheric coupling is essential for cloud formation and rain.
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Just to add is the intrusion of the Humboldt current(Alexander von Humboldt being one of the greatest scientific explorers) this cold, low saline water pushes up from the South and interacts with equatorial waters. Temperatures are a fabrication when in reality there is no background warming- or none that can be ascertained.
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Advective.
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https://s3.amazonaws.com/jo.nova/graph/temp/aust/2019/uah-australia-temps-summer-2019.gif
The El Nino might explain the spike to +.78C in 1991 but not the plunging temperature to-0.84C in 1992. That is a temperature drop of 1.62C in just one year!
It is these large short term variations that make me wonder about errors in the UAH data.
At the same time there is about a 7% variation in insolation over the course of the year due to the eccentricity of the Earth’s orbit about the sun. Yet this variation does not show up at all in any of the Global temperature series.
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Mount Pinatubo intervened to account for the sharp decline in temperatures.
Nature caused a spike and nature caused a precipitous fall, CO2 had no part to play.
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Conservative Wagga surprises with climate emergency declaration
Whoa! Wait. What?
“Families have kept weather records on their farms … that go back often 100-120 years.
And looking back through that they’re seeing the droughts and flooding rains.
Funnell’s family were among the first European settlers in the district.
“I damn well know what’s going on in the climate,” he told Guardian Australia.
“If you look back historically, it’s very similar to what we went through right through the 20th century.
Every decade there were droughts.”
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/jul/20/brave-or-naive-conservative-wagga-surprises-with-climate-emergency-declaration
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The council is hoping that by doing this they can get ask for more government (our) money for the slightest deviation to the ‘climate’.
Smart, eh?
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Conkey calls up that infamous 97 number again. Duhhhh..
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And the WWCC is going to test out an EV, with Mr Conkey driving it to Sydney. Is that the reason for them declaring a Climate Emergency.
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More like a publicity stunt…..
The whole climate emergency thing is either extremely niaive or a calculating cash grab….
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“I love a sunburned country
A land of sweeping plains,
Of ragged mountain ranges
Of droughts and flooding rains”
But it seems now the BOM insists that we have to expect a land of predictable temperatures,
evenly distributed rainfall, no regional droughts
and no variation from any mean and certainly no tropical storms.
Now that would require an extreme Climate Change.
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What would a young girl who had lived through the Federation Drought know?
Obviously more than the BOM, which refuses to include the records from before 1909
and the State records from before 1901, records which have always have been their
exclusive and unfulfilled responsibility.
Surely Australia owes it to the world to set the record straight. Otherwise people might be
fooled into some fantasy that Australia is getting hotter.
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I can’t imagine that most of us Aussies, while glued to the footy/cricket/tennis/any ball sport in our recliner “umpire” seats and muffling “meh.. what can ya do eh?” into the mouth of yet another upturned tinny, even remotely caring how they’re being abused. And the Powers That be know it. Maybe I should join the drunken throngs and also not care, but then I’d have to “like” sport – ugh! Just plain drunk watching a movie will have to suffice.
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Hey Rev,
Those glued-on sports watchers know more about CO2 than any greeny on the planet.
They know their XXXX goes flat the warmer it gets. Thus the Queensland guzzle is the answer.
Drink it cold before it goes flat. Warm flat beer is for the Poms.
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No TdeF, I have been unreliably informed on blogs that Dorothea was a bohemian city girl who made the poem up, a work of fiction.
The increasing number of leftist bloggers who make that claim obviously indicates that “droughts and flooding rains” are threatening words for the hoax scientologists.
I understand that Dorethea’s brother was a pastoralist and that she spent much time on his properties.
Moving goal posts, white washing history, re-writing history, nothing escapes the zealots.
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Well Dennis, you can put them straight. Dorothea had the poem published when she was 19. Her father was certainly a well-to-do Sydney doctor, but the McKellar family had a couple of bush properties where they spent extensive time. She chose to spend many of her teenage years on the family property “Torryburn” on the Paterson River about an hour and half north of Newcastle in the foothills of the Mt Royal Ranges. That’s where she saw the “green tangle of the brushes, where lithe lianas coil” in the rainforests thereabouts. A “brush” is the old name for a patch of rainforest.
After the Federation Drought’s impact on the district she would have had plenty of inspiration, and flooding rains are also a regular feature of the district. For instance, after the 1965-66 drought broke, we had 13 floods on the Paterson in 1967. I grew up a few Ks down the road from Dorothea’s place. The local Historical Society put out a small book on her, which I have loaned out or I could give you more details.
She also used to visit her brother who had a grazing property near Gunnedah on the north west slopes of NSW. Between those two properties she had enough material for ten poems.
Whilst being nursed in her final days, she revealed to her nurse that My Country was written at Torryburn.
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A friend with a property at Patterson mentioned that she lived up that way. Was at the Gresford rodeo a year or so back when it bucketned down on the drive out.
Weather is variable.
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Totally agree, Tdef.
The BoM should be able to supply all the rainfall records, at least back to 1870,
The BoM time series goes back to 1900 and shows 1902 and 1905 as the lowest rainfall totals for the past 120 years.
They would only have to go back to 1896 to show the full extent of the Fed Drought.
It also shows far less rainfall prior to 1970 than after 1970.
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/change/#tabs=Tracker&tracker=timeseries&tQ=graph%3Drranom%26area%3Daus%26season%3D0112%26ave_yr%3D0
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Recently, I had a retired academic (from thr humanities) refute what I said about water vapor being a greenhouse gas. He was in his mid nineties,and very erudite, but a believer in CAGW. You can never stop learning.
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But you can see clouds because all the light reflects and light is heat, as people in front of a radiator know. Also you can feel the warmth of the sun and know it is missing if blocked by clouds, so clouds cool as well. When flying, the clouds below are brilliant white. From below they can be black.
Water vapour controls our weather. We would have no weather without clouds and no rain. It’s more than a Greenhouse, it’s a steamroom.
Plus a clear night is much colder than a cloudy night, especially in the mid latitudes. It is freezing in the desert on a clear night after being so hot during the day. Why?
Then unlike water, clouds, snow, ice, steam, CO2 is invisible, which means it only blocks a part of the spectrum in the infra red, so it is a far weaker greenhouse gas than water
and there is so little of it, 0.04%.
The other difference is that the CO2 is the same every day, like a perpetually cloudy day. So it makes little difference if CO2 goes up from 0.03% to 0.04%. If it was a blind, the bulk
of the effect is already in place. Making it a little thicker hardly matters.
So the histrionics about the increase in CO2 is completely without basis. Whatever greenhouse effect exists is already in place and constant. Even if the increase in CO2 was not natural, it would have little effect on the planet’s temperature. All of that is simple stuff, even for an Arts graduate.
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It was the carbon (sic) wot done it, guv …
The Goulburn floods & snow storm of 1876.
The 1876 September #snowstorm was so bad, it caused floods in Goulburn and the Blue Mountains.
SNOWSTORM 1876.
[ From this paper of 13th September 1876.]
A change in the weather that will prove very beneficial took place on Saturday morning, when a few slight showers of rain fell.
The weather was afterwards very warm.
In the afternoon a thunderstorm passed over the city,·and rain continued at intervals during the night.
About seven o’clock on Sunday morning snow and rain commenced; but shortly after eight o’clock the rain ceased, but snow continued to fall inlarge ‘flakes till three o’clook in the afternoon.
Between one and two snow came down in a manner that is said never to have been witnessed here before, the whole atmosphere being darkened through the thickness of the fall.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/102217592
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1863 Central Otago floods washed away goldminers and shanty towns in Skippers Canyon and Macetown.
“The Clutha River flooded in 1878 and washed away many of the graves of the early settlers in the Albert Town Cemetery”.
http://www.dunedinfamilyhistory.co.nz/queenstown-lakes-district/?doing_wp_cron=1570182024.8292109966278076171875
The floodiest place is the driest place is the coldest place is the hottest place – it’s all the same place – Central. It used to be a tropical swamp with crocs and palm trees, then it was buried under ice, now it’s tussock farms and vineyards and ‘freedom campers’ sh!tting everywhere. It’ll flood again.
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Related:
Tony Heller exposes still more lies and data manipulation in regard to supposed global warming.
https://youtu.be/mOx39lW-gv4
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“Warming the planet” … pure eco-Kool Aid.
No warming in the United States since at least 2005, according to updated data from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). USCRN temperature stations show no warming since 2005 when the network went online. If anything, U.S. temperatures are now slightly cooler than they were 14 years ago. There is also good reason to believe U.S. temperatures have not warmed at all since the 1930s.
Temperatures have been warmer than today for almost all of the past 10,000 years.
Cuffy and Clow 1997, Greenland ice core record.
Colder right now than throughout almost all of history
“The Late Carboniferous to Early Permian (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period).”
Finnish Scientists: Effect of human activity on climate change insignificant
“The IPCC climate sensitivity is about one order of magnitude (i.e. 10 times) too high, because a strong negative feedback of the clouds is missing in climate models. If we pay attention to the fact that only a small part of the increased CO2 concentration is anthropogenic, we have to recognise that the anthropogenic climate change does not exist in practice, write Kauppinen and Malmi. “The major part of the extra CO2 is emitted from oceans, according to Henry‘s law. The low clouds practically control the global average temperature. During the last hundred years the temperature is increased about 0.1℃ because of CO2. The human contribution was about 0.01℃.”
Reject the scam of globalism and its homogenised “settled politics.”
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THis from article in icecap.us
The Liberals’ Covert Green Plan for Canada – Poverty and Dictatorship
“The insider’’s assessment also reflects the current underlying motivation behind the rise of climate change as the defining issue of our time. The words reflect the motives of environmentalists and climate activists who are using the climate “emergency” as a front for larger political and ideological ambitions. What they are pursuing as an economic revolution ushered in through the back door. They are yelling fire and then using the resultant fear to impose a new economic and political order…”
So 262, Vis the fish and PF, what do you say to THIS agenda!
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So we hav e the false comparison between SAT and troposphere measurements.
Also, we are ACORN V2 while UAH are at version 8
Also there have been numerous criticisms of the UAH method (mostly about measuring the sample spot at the same time.
Finally all the SAT databases are in broad agreement
So why should I take anything from UAH as credible
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No reason at all Peter, because you are quite gullible and brainwashed.
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Sorry, I meant to say because you are just bloody stupid.
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What a beautifly thought out and well reasoned argument!
/If this is Trolling – then he is really really good
/ not really, andy is better
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And you are still bloody stupid.
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So you refute my points by calling me stupid? That’s so grown up
/he probably thinks a robot is a watercraft powered by oars
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Your points were WRONG. That has been explained to you
Yes you are incredibly STUPID because you refuse to even try to comprehend.
Thus you will remain incredibly STUPID. !
“Finally all the SAT databases are in broad agreement”
Of course they are, they all use the same method of “adjustment”
They are however, NOT in agreement with the ACTUAL DATA.
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Well, here is your chance to prove me wrong.
Take the last 10,000 years. According to “climate science” at least 85% of them have had a CO2 level below 285 p.p.m.
And at least 90% of that time the world’s temperature has been higher than today.
Explain IN YOUR OWN WORDS (links to skepticalscience etc. will be ignored)) why the current increase in CO2 will mean higher temperatures bad for humans?
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PF still hasn’t proven me wrong when I say
1. There is no empirical evidence for warming by increased atmospheric CO2
and
2. There has been no scientifically provable human influence on the global climate in the last 40 years (or at any time, actually)
Recently he has agreed that I am correct on both points. 🙂
Thanks PF.
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Well G3 – 10 thousand years ago the world came out of the last ice age, and temps shot up to roughly levels experienced in the 1900’s, between 6 and 4 thousand years before present, the temp was higher than that, and showed a .5 decrease during the 4 thousand years until roughly the 1900’s, and then it has increased by 1 degree in 100 years, while CO2 has gone up by more than 100 ppm.
/References (not sceptical science, i promise
Lamb 1965 “The early medieval warm epoch and its sequel”.
Groveman & Landsberg 1979 “Simulated northern hemisphere temperature departures 1579–1880”.
Jacoby & D’Arrigo 1989 “Reconstructed Northern Hemisphere annual temperature since 1671 based on high-latitude tree-ring data from North America”.
Bradley & Jones 1993 “Little Ice Age summer temperature variations; their nature and relevance to recent global warming trends”.
Hughes & Diaz 1994 “Was there a ‘medieval warm period’, and if so, where and when?”.
Mann, Park & Bradley 1995 “Global interdecadal and century-scale climate oscillations during the past five centuries”.
Overpeck et al. 1997 “Arctic Environmental Change of the Last Four Centuries”.
Fisher 1997 “High resolution reconstructed Northern Hemisphere temperatures for the last few centuries: using regional average tree ring, ice core and historical annual time series”.
Cited in IPCC TAR
The IPCC Third Assessment Report (TAR WG1) of 2001 cited the following reconstructions supporting its conclusion that the 1990s was likely to have been the warmest Northern Hemisphere decade for 1,000 years:[2]
Mann, Bradley & Hughes 1998 “Global-scale temperature patterns and climate forcing over the past six centuries”
Jones et al. 1998 “High-resolution palaeoclimatic records for the last millennium: interpretation, integration and comparison with General Circulation Model control-run temperatures”.
Pollack, Huang & Shen 1998 “Climate change record in subsurface temperatures: A global perspective”.
Mann, Bradley & Hughes 1999 “Northern hemisphere temperatures during the past millennium: Inferences, uncertainties, and limitations”.
Briffa 2000 “Annual climate variability in the Holocene: interpreting the message of ancient trees”.
Crowley & Lowery 2000 “How Warm Was the Medieval Warm Period?”.
Cited in NRC Report (North Report)
North et al. 2006 highlighted six recent reconstructions, one of which was not cited in AR4:[3]
Huang, Pollack & Shen 2000 “Temperature trends over the past five centuries reconstructed from borehole temperatures”
Cited in IPCC AR4
The IPCC Fourth Assessment Report (AR4 WG1) of 2007 cited the following reconstructions in support of its conclusion that the 20th century was likely to have been the warmest in the Northern Hemisphere for at least 1,300 years:[4]
Jones et al. (1998) [also in TAR], calibrated by Jones, Osborn & Briffa 2001 “The Evolution of Climate Over the Last Millennium”.
Mann, Bradley & Hughes (1999) [also in TAR]
Briffa (2000) [also in TAR], calibrated by Briffa, Osborn & Schweingruber 2004 “Large-scale temperature inferences from tree rings: a review”.
Crowley & Lowery 2000 “How Warm Was the Medieval Warm Period?” [also in TAR]
Briffa et al. 2001 “Low-frequency temperature variations from a northern tree ring density network”.
Esper, Cook & Schweingruber 2002 “Low-Frequency Signals in Long Tree-Ring Chronologies for Reconstructing Past Temperature Variability”,
recalibrated by Cook, Esper & D’Arrigo 2004 “Extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere land temperature variability over the past 1000 years”.
Mann & Jones 2003 “Global surface temperatures over the past two millennia.”
Pollack & Smerdon 2004 “Borehole climate reconstructions: Spatial structure and hemispheric averages”.
Oerlemans 2005 “Extracting a climate signal from 169 glacier records”.
Rutherford et al. 2005 “Proxy-based Northern Hemisphere surface temperature reconstructions: Sensitivity to method, predictor network, target season, and target domain”.
Moberg et al. 2005 “Highly variable Northern Hemisphere temperatures reconstructed from low- and high-resolution proxy data”.
D’Arrigo, Wilson & Jacoby 2006 “On the long-term context for late twentieth century warming”.
Osborn & Briffa 2006 “The spatial extent of 20th-century warmth in the context of the past 1200 years”.
Hegerl et al. 2006 “Climate sensitivity constrained by temperature reconstructions over the past seven centuries”.
Cited in IPCC AR5
The IPCC Fifth Assessment Report (AR5 WG1) of 2013 cited the following reconstructions in support of its conclusion that for average annual Northern Hemisphere temperatures, “the period 1983–2012 was very likely the warmest 30-year period of the last 800 years (high confidence) and likely the warmest 30-year period of the last 1400 years (medium confidence)”:[5]
Pollack and Smerdon (2004) [also in AR4]
Moberg et al. (2005) [also in AR4]
D’Arrigo, Wilson & Jacoby (2006) [also in AR4]
Frank, Esper & Cook (2007) “Adjustment for proxy number and coherence in a large-scale temperature reconstruction”.
Hegerl et al. (2007) “Detection of human influence on a new, validated 1500–year temperature reconstruction”.
Juckes et al. 2007 “Millennial temperature reconstruction intercomparison and evaluation”.
Loehle & McCulloch (2008) “Correction to: A 2000-year global temperature reconstruction based on non-tree ring proxies”.
Mann et al. 2008 “Proxy-based reconstructions of hemispheric and global surface temperature variations over the past two millennia”.
Mann et al. 2009 “Global Signatures and Dynamical Origins of the Little Ice Age and Medieval Climate Anomaly”.
Ljungqvist 2010 “A New Reconstruction of Temperature Variability in the Extra-Tropical Northern Hemisphere During the Last Two Millennia”.
Christiansen & Ljungqvist 2012 “The extra-tropical Northern Hemisphere temperature in the last two millennia: Reconstructions of low-frequency variability”.
Leclercq & Oerlemans (2012) “Global and Hemispheric temperature reconstruction from glacier length fluctuations”.
Shi et al. 2013 “Northern Hemisphere temperature reconstruction during the last millennium using multiple annual proxies”.
Further reconstructions
Smith et al. 2006 “Reconstructing hemispheric-scale climates from multiple stalagmite records”.
Lee, Zwiers & Tsao 2008 “Evaluation of proxy-based millennial reconstruction methods”.
Huang, Pollack & Shen 2008 “A late Quaternary climate reconstruction based on borehole heat flux data, borehole temperature data, and the instrumental record”
Kaufman et al. 2009 “Recent warming reverses long-term arctic cooling”.
Tingley & Huybers 2010a “A Bayesian Algorithm for Reconstructing Climate Anomalies in Space and Time”.
Christiansen & Ljungqvist 2011 “Reconstruction of the Extratropical NH Mean Temperature over the Last Millennium with a Method that Preserves Low-Frequency Variability”.
Ljungqvist et al. 2012 “Northern Hemisphere temperature patterns in the last 12 centuries”.
Marcott et al. 2013 “A Reconstruction of Regional and Global Temperature for the Past 11,300 Years”
PAGES 2k Consortium 2013 (78 researchers, corresponding author Darrell S. Kaufman) “Continental-scale temperature variability during the past two millennia”
Raphael Neukom, Nathan Steiger, Juan José Gómez-Navarro, Jianghao Wang & Johannes P. Werner 2019 “No evidence for globally coherent warm and cold periods over the preindustrial Common Era”
PAGES 2k Consortium 2019 “Consistent multidecadal variability in global temperature reconstructions and simulations over the Common Era”
Notes
Frank et al. 2010.
Folland et al. 2001, 2.3.2.2 Multi-proxy synthesis of recent temperature change Archived 2011-06-04 at the Wayback Machine.
North et al. 2006, pp. 1–3
Jansen et al. 2007, Section 6.6: The Last 2,000 Years.
Masson-Delmotte et al. 2013, Chapter 5, Executive Summary p. 286, and Section 5.3.5: Temperature Variations During the Last 2000 Years pp. 409–410.
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That’s a nice long list and so quickly assembled BUT what is there about the last 10,000 years? There’s a bit about the Medieval Warm period which I assume you now agree happened, especially in Greenland. Even Brian Foley (conviced warmist) noted that wheat was grown around Trondheim in those times. And H.H. Lamb pointed out that grapes were grown in England as far north as York (and in what would have been a frost hollow).
As for your claim that the past temperature was about that experienced in the 1900’s could you be a little more explicit? The cold time in 1905, the warm 1920’s and 30’s, or the cold times in the 1960’s and 70’s when a lot of scientists were predicting a new ice age? And you have exaggerated the increase in temperature in the last 100 years while glossing over the years 1850-1875 when glaciers in Europe showed such remarkable melting without the benefit of an increase in CO2.
Still I have changed my mind and will concede that you do indeed have the brains of a raspberry seed.
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No G3 – I accept that there were variations due to various solar cycles. However, as those reconstructions attest, nothing compares with the 1 degree rise in the last 100 years, and that is coincident with the rise of CO2
/gets what he asked for, does not read the references, and keeps up with the insults, are you DMing with Andy?
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Peter Fitzroy asserts:
Nothing?
Are you serious?
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“Explain IN YOUR OWN WORDS”
And PF provides a list of copy-pasted links which he has NO CLUE what any of them say..
What DISHONESTY. !!
“nothing compares with the 1 degree rise in the last 100 years, and that is coincident with the rise of CO2
”
And SO DUMB that he doesn’t realise that the resolution of most of them would be lucky to be 100 years, so really racks up the ignorance points by making even more moronic statements.
Your grasp on reality and maths and science has hit an all time LOW, you poor mindless twerp.
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Well Graeme No 3 – who says it was warmer. Please explain to me your basis for saying this without regurgitating anecdotes about grapes in England? Hmmm?
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Poor Vishy, again with the ignorance and denial of climate change.
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1akI_yGSUlO_qEvrmrIYv9kHknq4&ll=-3.81666561775622e-14%2C38.03818700000005&z=1
NH was most definitely warmer than now during the MWP
Most of the last 10,000 years have been MUCH warmer.
Just because drones/clowns like you want to compare current temperatures to the COLDEST period in 10,000 years, doesn’t mean it is now “warm”
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Andy thanks for continuing to play the gimp and admit lack of global warming in the MWP. Well done. Shot in foot.
And a list of palaeo references means what out of context nothing. Try harder.
Anyway let’s take a look at the latest review of the subject. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2019/07/190724131624.htm
and https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-019-1401-2
Still awaiting the 10000 years paper – and don’t fall into Easterbrook’s trap – so tedious.
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PF, that long list of irreverent papers doesnt say anything..because…
The theory of ‘CO2 warming of the lower troposphere by human emissions’ is WRONG!
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Poor Vishy, has turned into a rabid Climate Change Denier. !!
Denial of the Holocene optimum,
Denial of the RWP,
Denial of the MWP
Climate change denial on steroids. !!
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So funny, Vishy is now saying the LIA didn’t exist
Climate change DENIAL on steroids
That means it was NOT cooler pre-industrial, right Vishy
Take an swan-dive like faceplate, little child.. !!
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Also trying to compare data with daily and yearly “adjusted” measurements with data which a resolution of decades at best, maybe centuries
What sort of childish ANTI-SCIENCE claptrap is that, Vishy !!
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Peter you say that the temp over the last century has gone up 1C. Could you please give me your best guess as to what the temp now is.
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PF, I doubt you have critically evaluated any of the references you cited, obvious given that you have cited Mann, Bradley & Hughes (1999), and their utterly discredited and ridiculous Hockey Schtick (McIntyre & Mckitrick PNAS 2003)
You also failed to cite: the Temperature (deuterium proxy) and CO2 Antarctic Dome-Concordia ice core analysis, Jouzel J et al. (2004) and Siegenthaler U, et al. (2005), demonstrating the major global hot/cold cycles and lag of CO2 behind temperature, graphic: G LeBlanc Smith PhD, AIG, AAPG, Sci Nat (2006).
As the average SD of centennial variation of temperature through the last 8000 yrs of the Holocene was 0.98 ± 0.27C (Lloyd PJ 2015), so excluding the absurdity of the globalist adjustment bureau, things have changed in a cooling direction, a point Tony Heller illustrates from the unadjusted data published by NASA and NOAA before the adjustment bureau at GISS began the k-orrupt meddling of (then) settled politics
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“I doubt you have critically evaluated any of the references you cited”
I doubt he has the ability to do so.
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The attempt to misrepresent reading tolerances for temperature measuring devices was dealt with in some depth previously:
Tolerance?
There was a recent analysis done on tolerance.
That sort of analysis is always difficult but not impossible.
A similar assessment was made on tollerance earlier:
“A thorough analysis of the comments was attempted in order to assess the truthfulness, or otherwise.
The nominal assessment being to deterine impact on the blog and clearly the end point anticipated by the assessment must be defined according to its charter.
But that is only true if the precursor of the anticipated end state is accurately predicted prior to the enactment of the process under assessment.
Should that mid process data not be available then the initial baseline would be eliminated from the assessment resulting in substantial disconfirmation of the proposed analytical pathway and complete collapse of this important project.
Unfortunately the data was so badly homogenised during transfer to the computer that final analysis was impossible and tolerance could not be assessed.
It’s hoped that more funding will eventually be granted for this project.
KK
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UAH not credible. It shows Global temperature going up! We know from reports everywhere about Ice and Snow and freezing cold that the Temp is going down.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/UAH_LT_1979_thru_September_2019_v6.jpg
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But it is not a SAT, which it is being compared with. That is dishonest.
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Neither is BOM, BOM-ACORN is an adjusted fabrication of URBAN temperatures
Urban area take up 1-2% of the planet’s surface, but through their smearing of stored and created heat over large non-applicable areas, make up some 90-95% of the “CALCULATED” surface temperature. Sparse, irregularly space, massively urban affected. Overall totally UNFIT for climate purposes….
This means that the Calculated surface temperature is NOT even a remotely good approximation of global surface temperatures.
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Just because you clueless about how the UAH data is extracted, means nothing
Everybody KNOWS that ACORN-SAT is massively adjusted and based on CRAP sites and has massive urban contamination.
It is also sparse, irregular and missing lots of data that has to be fabricated.
Only fit for AGW propaganda.
UAH doesn’t have these issue, it is a consistent even distribution of measurements
[snip. Please keep it collegial Andy]ED
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All 8 versions?
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Poor PF doesn’t understand that satellites move, orbit decay and these are KNOWN issues that have to be accounted for. (The ignorance is very strong with little PF.)
VERY different from just guessing that maybe a station has moved, or not but let’s just fabricate anyway.
BOM are totally clueless about the condition of the stations that provide their data.
They make unknown “adjustments” for unknown, unproven reasons on a whim, they smear large urban heat signatures over huge areas.
ACORN 2 is a mathematical and statistical CORRUPTION of real data, nothing more, and its only purpose is to meet the propaganda needs of the AGW scam.
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Oh dear – the old UAH over Australia meme recycle – well what would Roy say – https://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/04/australia-surface-temperatures-compared-to-uah-satellite-data-over-the-last-40-years/ – oh dear
Gotta do better guys – anyway about Greta – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46o7HP_De1M “All your carbon taxes belong to us” hahaha classic.
Pity when seeing the actual proof of greenhouse radiative balance at work – the lads go yeah nah. At some point maybe after lurking over at Potholer54 you might go nah yeah. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/273157521_Observational_determination_of_surface_radiative_forcing_by_CO2_from_2000_to_2010
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Some interesting stuff in your links, with luck you might beat my record for red thumb
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Potheader.. the guy is an ignorant moron, a con-man to the AGW meme.. just for people like you. 😉
You would have to be brain-washed and totally gullible to actually believe his load of gibberish. !!
The Feldman paper again.. It has been DEMOLISHED time and time again
A zombie paper at best!
It also shows absolutely NO LINK between this MODELLED forcing and actual temperature
The Alaskan site actually COOLED by 4C over that period
And the other site started at the base of a La Nina and ended at the top of an El Nino then the temperature dropped down to the same as the La Nina temperature 2 years later
SO absolutely NO CORRELATION TO TEMPERATURE CHANGES..
Not only that, but the 0.2 or whatever it was they TORTURED out of the data after 5 years, is magnitudes LOWER than cloud variability forcing< the temperature changes mentioned above had forcing that TOTALLY OVERWHELMED the pitiful so-called "forcing" from CO2
So your link is totally MEANINGLESS.
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I’ll just note that you have not produced any refutation that is at the same level as the paper you criticise, and you could have. The conclusion is that you do not have access to papers which are credible.
/truthiness at its best
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Sorry you are so dumb and incapable of understanding that the Feldman papers contains ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to link rising atmospheric CO2 to temperature
It “says” it found a tiny change in a tiny narrow band of WEAK forcing WITHIN the climate system, but warming forcing has to come from OUTSIDE the system
NOWHERE does it link anything to temperatures.. BECAUSE IT CAN’T
Remain incompetent, PF.. its your only hope. !!
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Peter, lack of peer reviewed work is the reason they’re here in thumbsey land arguing with strangers.
If they actually had evidence, sites like this wouldn’t exist.
Facts never did matter to them.
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I’m curious here.
If that’s how you really think, then why do you even bother coming here at all? That always puzzles me.
Why not just totally ignore us, if you (seriously) think that we’ve got nothing? If you think like that, then we’re irrelevant in your opinion, so there’s no need to address anything we say at all. It could only be because you must have some lingering doubt though, and perceive those of us here as some sort of threat, otherwise you wouldn’t even bother at all.
Why not just go to sites that confirm your religious belief structure. Then you wouldn’t have to put up with all this, unless that’s what you get off on, or you’re being paid for it.
Tony.
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Tony the increase in contrarians will help the blog develop.
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Yes, I can see that and I agree with it, but we have a number of people here who have a serious knowledge base in their chosen fields of expertise.
Not only do these other people not believe a single word of what is said, they call us liars and cheats, and inflame with their constant abuse that only engenders some retaliation, but they also make up falsehoods about us and perpetuate those. They constantly change the subject to deflect away from the original comment, and then they flood the comments with their irrelevancies, usually very short sneering one liners so they can fit more of them in, so that people will stop reading or just respond only to the irrelevant comments.
I know that in opening this site up to those commenters, it shows us to be a level above ALL those sites which just ban us flat out, but they couldn’t care less about that at all, as, in effect, they use that against us. They perceive their job is to just come here and attack attack attack, and drive away people who become sick and tired of seeing what they are doing. I mean, there are probably people who would like to contribute and even ask questions, but when they see what the ‘regulars’ get in response, they just don’t even bother to comment.
They’re just laughing, and in fact, probably even informing others that we allow them to comment, so more of them can come here and join in.
Tony.
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Tonyfrombunker,
Help, help !, the paranoids are after me !.
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Your expertise is valued, but now its time to broaden our views as we go into battle. Some of the regulars may absent themselves, leaving us with a red and blue team.
If we are to reeducate the children, this is how it should progress.
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Amazing at Skeptical Scince they have Thumbs Up & Down as well!
But very few people even visit the site!
Seems the same crew just patting each other on the back!
While at The Non-Conversation, they just exclude any other point of view totally!
Yet here you can discuss what ever you like!
That’s why it is so popular!
More chocolates coming!
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Huh!
I couldn’t care less.
I know what I know about my subject of expertise, and thirty years of working in the Trade and teaching it back that up, and the last twelve years of constant research and writing about it only further back that up.
I just love it when you guys come in and try to respond, but mostly just change the subject, because what was written was so far over your heads. All it does is accentuate the vast monstrously hugumungous lack of knowledge that is out there on your side of this, umm ….. ‘debate’. You really DO have no idea at all, and when I see that when it’s on my knowledge base, then I question that it might really be the same with everything you copy from somewhere else.
However, it’s those people who actually DO want to know about these things who are scared off by the constant attack mentality of your side.
Tony.
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Hi Tony,
Highly appreciative of your posts but?
“Yes, I can see that and I agree with it”.
All they are doing is disrupting and running interference for the social justice power base they want to align with.
Anything positive is hard to identify.
KK
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They new recruits are not disrupting anything, there is no future in echo chambers.
The contrarians delight in bogging us down with temperatures, which is a huge distraction from the real game.
Our greatest strength is in proving that ENSO and the other oscillations control temperature on earth.
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Tony,
Its great that you ‘know what you know’, I will need time to absorb that statement.
I have now recovered …. but now respectfully ask you back up your views and put the stuff you know in a paper and submit it like real scientists do instead of hiding your light under this bushel.
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“the paranoids are after me !.”
No mickey, the men in the white van are after YOU. !!
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Tony,
What’s religious about the facts ?, I’m interested in how confirmation bias works and find this site a gold mine, quite funny how far you guys go !.
I look here in the vain hope that I may be proven wrong, yet all I see is the same old dodging, shoddy ‘evidence’, counter demands and conspiracy theories.
Keep it up.
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You haven’t posted ONE SINGLE FACT in your many childish posts here little mickey
You are FACT FREE.
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The Cultural Marxists, Marcuse I think, introduced the concept of Liberating Tolerance. It supports everything from the Left and attacks everything form the Right.
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Cockroaches hidin’ under rocks,
like Deep State ‘n Pal Review Seance – sucks.
Light of day open-investigation …
what’s ter fear, unless yer hidin’ somethin’?
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Tony – with respect I have most enjoyed your commentary on electrical power generation for many years. But in terms of abuse, irrelevancies, lack of science, impugned motives – have a look at your fellow travellers here. Mate ! And having a bit of fun in the last few days at the sheer awfulness of refutations – off the scale of stupid. But few read the oppositions papers with any discrimination. Well on at least 50% of posts I learn something myself. But some are just rants. Anyway still looking forward to the sceptics temperature record for Australia. Seems Ken Stewart has now retreated into all measurements are crud.
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Vishnu, _ with respect, I have most enjoyed your comments, especially the ones calling for tolerance from both sides.
Unfortunately many do not show tolerance and perhaps we need more university studies on it.
There was a recent analysis done on tolerance.
That sort of analysis is always difficult but not impossible.
A similar assessment was made on tollerance earlier:
“A thorough analysis of the comments was attempted in order to assess the truthfulness, or otherwise.
The nominal assessment being to deterine impact on the blog and clearly the end point anticipated by the assessment must be defined according to its charter.
But that is only true if the precursor of the anticipated end state is accurately predicted prior to the enactment of the process under assessment.
Should that mid process data not be available then the initial baseline would be eliminated from the assessment resulting in substantial disconfirmation of the proposed analytical pathway and complete collapse of this important project.
Unfortunately the data was so badly homogenised during transfer to the computer that final analysis was impossible and tolerance could not be assessed.
It’s hoped that more funding will eventually be granted for this project.
KK
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Vishy has not shown any tolerance.
He has acted like he is Gob since he got here.
Note that all he can link to is failed studies, and youtube videos.
Pretending that he is here to learn something….. only fooling himself. !
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Michael, that stunt where you invite people to submit skeptical research to gang-review, politicised journals…it was fresh once. Publish-then-Perish is oversupplied with Lysenkoist drek, but wants to make room for naughty skeptics? We, er, don’t believe it. Actually, you don’t believe it either, which is why you suggest it.
Holocene deniers need new stunts. GeeUp needs new stunts.
Still, it’s good that we get the odd GeeUpper popping in to urge us to stop blogging and to pound on sand instead. Shows we’re getting through.
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Mo,
That stunt where you claim peer review is corrupt only seems to float here in alt science world. This strangely coincides with your DRECK constantly being rejected on planet Earth.
Any fool can publish their ‘evidence’, hence the review process. Its working fine keeping you ( along with the [ I snipped your list precisely because we do deal in science] AZ etc ) out in the cold.
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Sorry you don’t comprehend science or peer review.
Any fool can publish their ‘evidence’
Yet can’t produce any, and you are certainly a fool !!
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Peer review corrupt, Michael? Just the politicised gang-review guff you constantly invite Jo and others to join…in full knowledge that they would never be published. The Holocene denial industry lives in terror of any context or perspective which might disrupt its tight political narrative.
But thank you for your many invitations to pound sand and thump mattresses to no effect. Good try (the first dozen times, at least). But I think we’ll keep blogging.
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What drivel 262. Undergraduate shite typical of those lacking wisdom, nous or perspective. Ordinarily your comments I would let pass as I know you idiots too commonly, but I would say to ya. Ya know f… all!
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Mo,
Thanks for confirming your conspiracy theory of globally corrupted peer review.
Your papers fail review because:
a. Everyone in the world is out to get you (paranoia), or
b. You can’t do science.
Ockham’s razor
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Yes so mr 262 whatsit thingy, you can frequent many other pro climate scam sites other than here so why bother with us..is it because you and your alarmist ilk are actually LOSING!
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Ah AndyG55 is getting worked up – into the caps now – throwing random thoughts. The fact that you’re conflating radiative balance, temperature and atmospheric dynamics – well I had such laughing fit – coffee all over the keyboard. Only if you had stayed in school and done science.
And of course, the warming comes from outside the system explains AndyG. Even uttering irrelevant insights like this shows you are clueless. Gee climate science never knew that. And you’re lucky the CO2 forcing is as weak as it is – or you wouldn’t be here. AndyG would be on Venus saying “this is bunkum – this is NOT HAPPENING!! – scream – bleat …” followed by sizzle …
Maybe you’d prefer methane if CO2 gets your goat. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/04/180402123305.htm
Or some palaeo – 420 million years on CO2 http://droyer.wescreates.wesleyan.edu/climate_sensitivity.pdf
Or CO2 follows temperature meme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ3PzYU1N7A
But if you are going to just heckle at least learn how https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZpI4ILTlI8
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Only one person conflating , here Vishy, is you.
Glad to see you admit you are ignorant and that there is no link in the Feldman paper between CO2 and temperature.
Also that CO2 warming, if any, is basically irrelevant.
That would explain why it has never been measured or observed anywhere in the planets atmosphere.
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Venus is hot because of the extreme surface pressures,
Your ignorance in not knowing that says everything that needs to be said.
You are having great brain-fades coming to grips with the fact that without urban heat smeared over vast areas, there really isn’t much warming.
The satellite record clearly shows that the only warming is coming from El Nino ocean events, so are solar forced and nothing to do with atmospheric CO2.
Vostok cores show that even at peak CO2, it failed to stop the planet COOLING, in fact, at peak CO2, the planet was always cooling.
Comprehension coming from youtube videos and ignorance of how the atmosphere works make you look like a complete and utter moron.
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AndyG55 – the gift that keeps on giving.
“The satellite record clearly shows that the only warming is coming from El Nino ocean events, so are solar forced and nothing to do with atmospheric CO2.”
Did you actually write that amazing bit of stupidity? I’m serious – this the equivalent of a random wind blowing through a junk yard. El Nino events are now solar forced. Wow. And intrinsic internal variability is now accumulating warmth from nowhere. This is proper mental. Go on start quoting Landscheidt. Love it.
“CO2 failed to stop the planet cooling”. Gee you’ve got me there. Dat’s really really hard. I think I’m about to change my mind. But could it be that insolation has changed? Hahaha – so deranged. You’ve become an embarrassment. Put your Mum on for a go. There is really no hope for you. You need a basic level of conceptual ability – you can’t just make up random sentences. Anyway if you’re on here it’s a night off for the carers I guess.
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Poor Vishy,
NO WARMING from 1980-1997
NO WARMING from 2001-2015
33 years of NO WARMING
Just the El Ninos.
Sorry you can’t comprehend basic FACTS
You really think El Ninos are caused by CO2 ???????
WOW! talk about LOONIE and round the twist !!!
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Quite hilarious.. Vishy thinks El Ninos are caused by CO2 and are totally nothing to do with the main energy source of the planets atmosphere.
Thinks the energy comes from “nowhere” WOW !!!
Poor Vishy… DUMB and getting DUMBER by the comment.
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“Vishy thinks El Ninos are caused by CO2 ” – gee you might have me pinned there. However there is a simple answer ….errrr no I don’t think that you fool.
But race to publication AndyG – your Nobel prize awaits – if solar changes are causing El Nino then solar cooling must be causing Las Ninas. Not even any serious sceptic has tried this one. Unnoticed by solar physicists the sun is pulsing on and off according to AndyG. Hahahaha – classic. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we may have met the village idiot.
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Poor Vishy, thinks El Nino energy comes from CO2 or unicorn farts.
So funny.
Such a delusional nil-wit.
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““CO2 failed to stop the planet cooling”. “
Come on Vishy, go and look at the Vostok ice cores. What was happening at every time of peak CO2
The planet was starting to COOL.
Sorry your level of basic comprehension is so incredibly DUMB. !!
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I have – find out the date of the right hand side of the graph and report back.
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So, you haven’t gone to the Vostok data and had a look.
So sad that you choose to remain “unaware”
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“El Nino events are now solar forced. Wow.”
Vishy doesn’t think the Sun has anything to do with El Nino.W.
How ignorant can you get !!
“The satellite record clearly shows that the only warming is coming from El Nino ocean events, so are solar forced and nothing to do with atmospheric CO2.”
NO warming from 1980-1997
NO warming from 2001-2015
Warming only at El Ninos
DENIAL of what is in front your face makes you look very brain-dead, Vishy.
You cannot contradict that statement with any data can you, fool !!
Trying to hide the fact that only solar energy can effectively warm the oceans
Thinks El Ninos driven by CO2… DOH !!!!!
Scientifically illiterate twero says….
“And intrinsic internal variability is now accumulating warmth from nowhere“
So Vishy thinks the energy comes from NOWHERE, now.. Unicorn farts perhaps, dumbo farts?
What a dim-witted clown you are Vishy !!
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Mr V, your GHG theory is wrong! Feynman would have said so, so would all of the pre war great physicists.
So what part of quantum electrodynamics makes your theory correct?
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There is no evidence heat is being trapped in the system
OGLWR matches the atmospheric temperature.
If energy was being retained, they would diverge
Movements of energy WITHIN the system are irrelevant.
Just like wind or convection, they are part of the balance, all controlled by pressure gradients.
Why are you SO, SO IGNORANT about basic functions of the atmospheric system, Vishy ??
And why do you love to highlight your ignorance for everyone to see?
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Ummm again close AndyG55 but pity you don’t read anything..
Alas it’s increasing https://www.mdpi.com/2072-4292/10/10/1539/pdf Oh dear !
All your carbon taxes belonga us.
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Yes Vishym OLR increases as the solar energy warms the planet.
But using a corrupted data set like GISS immediately shows you have an agenda and are interested only in the propaganda aspects.
You do know that the “adjustments™” in GISS exactly match the CO2 increase, don’t you. Linear trend with a R squared of 0.99 iirc.
NOT FIT FOR SCIENCE.
The CERES data actually matches UHA atmospheric temperature , with no divergence.
No energy is being trapped.
Take a faceplant Vishy, you own BS beckons.
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They are measuring the same thing, of course they show a match. Neither is a SAT.
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“OLR increases as the solar energy warms the planet” – gee you might have me there. Oh but that’s right solar output unchanged. Hahaha.
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Thanks for admitting the planet is warming. Another round in the foot. Must be sore.
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Only a complete moron thinks solar output is unchanged.
You probably think TSI is the only solar variable
SO DUMB !!!
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Of course there has been some minor warming out of the COLDEST PERIOD IN 10,000 years
be very grateful for that fact
A series of very strong SOLAR CYCLES will do that, pouring LOTS of energy into the oceans.
Feeble CO2 so-called back-radiation from high altitude, in a tiny thin band, certainly cannot warm the oceans, only a complete scientific illiterate would think that.
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‘Thanks for admitting the planet is warming.’
At the end of the Eemian Interglacial the temperatures jumped 10 degrees in 50 years, before the long slow slide into glacial conditions 115,000 years BP.
Do you know what may have caused that warming?
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EG, be careful of the sin of context. Context is simply not allowed in the strict boarding school of the green faith. They don’t cane, but, my how they can exclude.
Referring to the regular shifts from interglacial to glaciation within the Quaternary is almost as naughty as mentioning the fluctuations during the last twelve thousand years post-Younger Dryas. As for recent warming episodes like the Optimum and Saharan pluvial, that’s like breaking one’s wind in a lift. One simply doesn’t.
It’s okay to say “science” a lot, as a sort of prayer. But too much actual science can lead young climate warriors (and even old GeeUppers) astray.
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We have to realise that all the children have been brainwashed into believing the world could end in 12 years, so anything we can do to alleviate their anxiety will be worthwhile.
‘ … during the last interglacial as the temperature then, approximately 115,000 years ago, was up to 8 degrees C. warmer than today, according to a former study from the Niels Bohr Institute.’
University of Copenhagen (wuwt)
What they are not saying is that at the same time aridity gripped the world for 400 years because of global cooling.
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Poor Vishy, still with the comedy links for his science?
And Models, models and more statistical corruption.
So funny.
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You cite “Potholer” … seriously, you have to be kidding and omitted the /sarc tag for a laugh.
And you say: AndyG would be on Venus saying, “this is bunkum – this is NOT HAPPENING!! – scream – bleat …” followed by sizzle
You appear to believe that Earth could experience runaway global warming. Recurrent ice ages and warm periods have already demonstrated that a feedback > 1 is not present on Earth, which should in fact be called ‘Water World’. (clue)
Global mean annual surface temperature is predicated on total atmospheric pressure and total top of atmosphere solar irradiance.
Venus with its 1.911 greater solar irradiance (30% closer to the sun than Earth) and atmospheric pressure x90 > Earth (equivalent to 3000′ below the Ocean surface) bears not a slightest relationship to conditions on Earth.
Venus fact sheet
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UAH Australia last 17 years
NO WARMING
UAH Australia before the 1998 El Nino
SCARY, hey you poor little petals.
Now off you two trot and rent a motel for the night.
GA can clean up after you.
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‘Oh dear – the old UAH over Australia meme recycle – well what would Roy say’
Vish thingy, it doesnt matter your theory is WRONG! There is NO paleo or modern correlation with CO2 that proves warming.
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Look Mum – no hands – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeYfl45X1wo must be a trick. Time for another LOL https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6zmgmvfOLw
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You are def going to get more red thumbs than I could ever dream of.
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We are discerning here in the use of redthumbs. You should receive more of them for not proving the signature of CO2 in warming. Geez you two stop being so gullible; billions in government research grants over 20 plus years to reinforce a failed hypothesis. Ahh, how much heating can I get out of CO2 filled test tube.
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The ‘settled politics’ of globalism that uses the four Trojan horses of climatism, healthism, safe-ism and green-ism are being roundly rejected by a growing chorus of nations. Greta was a gift from God.
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Yes Vishy, its obvious you live inside a glass bottle… more likely at the bottom of one.
And yes, it is obvious that you get your understanding of science from comedians, Vishy.
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The whole climate catastrophe is meaningless (without reference to anything in the real world). Yet, “they” continue to destroy your power network in the process of destroying your economy. Soon to be followed by your civilization.
Why?
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Because a lot of people believe the scare. Fitz for example. It is a massive social and political movement, like Communism 100 years ago. That climate scare is merely the latest (and by far the biggest) in a series that began in the 1950s, each bigger than the last. It is a war on fire, because fire puts out a lot of stuff. A core concept of the movement has always been “zero discharge”, which is a special case of Zero impact.
It is a negative reaction to a civilization which is messy, crowded and dirty. Ours. As it must be. It is no accident that most of the proponents live in big cities.
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David, I don’t believe in the way you intimate. I do however, understand facts and evidence. Now if you could present a paper which unlike the thousands published showing warming and the role CO2 has in that, go right ahead.
/truthiness does not count in science
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“I do however, understand facts and evidence”
NO, you have made it patently obvious that you do NOT understand science, or evidence or accept facts.
You are TOTALLY UNABLE to produce any scientific evidence for warming by atmospheric CO2, just model based baloney, which are NEVER scientific evidence.,. You have admitted that fact yourself.
You are also TOTALLY UNABLE to produce any scientific evidence of any human influence on the climate in the last 40 years,
You can’t even tell us what changes have actually happened, let alone link them scientifically to human influence.
You totally IGNORE the total lack of scientific evidence, and just keep ranting the same garbage AGW mantra.
You IGNORE THE FACT that the only warming in 40 years has come from El Nino events, which have zero human causation.
Let’s see you present one paper based on empirical science, and no, not the Feldman paper which shows absolutely no link between CO2 and global temperature
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No. You do not understand anything. You lack any sense of analytical thought, but are subject to fabricated nonsense. Your whole intellectual network is influenced by a set of memes that you are oblivious to and has stuffed up your reasoning.
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You betray your ignorance of science and its methodology. As Einstein once said of the Nazis (keen to refute his paper on general relativity after he escaped from Germany and had the German science academy manufacture scores of papers rebutting the theory of GR), ‘they only needed a single paper’.
“Facts and evidence” … honestly, you have to be kidding.
In the main it is worthless invalid models that are being utilised (not the accurate Russian model) precisely because there is no compelling empirical data that supports a bankrupt and vacant hypothesis that failed the null hypothesis in 1998, before the unfalsifiable term, ‘climate change’ was installed by the eco-Marxist administrators at the UNFCCC, those same folk who openly confess that their mission has nothing, NOTHING, whatsoever to do with the environment.
Stop living under a damned rock and behaving like a fungus.
Scientific integrity cannot survive misaligned political funding, adjustment, pal review and concealment for long.
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The BOM has about as much credibility as the tooth fairy, no wait the tooth fairy has more credibility.
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At least the tooth fairy leaves something of value.
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Yesterday more biased (and anti its Charter) reporting on Climate from ABC. The evening news in Sydney on 3/10 inexplicably had a piece about how the temperature in Guyra had warmed 2.3 deg C since 1981.
Trouble is, when you use the BOM site (which I hate) their numbers are much less for Guyra!!!
The ABC has abandoned its charter to “inform” “educate” and be “independent” when it comes to climate change. It just spews out climate propaganda that has no factual basis at all and shamelessly barracks for it.
Where is Ita and the Board on this – more importantly where is the Coalition govt on this? Taxpayers are getting a bad deal here.
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G’day Aussie,
It happened again last night, using RAAF Richmond, and starting in 1970. I’ve managed to take screenshots for each of the four I’ve seen and will send them to Jo on her return, together with a link which demonstrates the fraud (when I find it.).
ABC Iview let me get the screenshots of Tuesday-Friday, but alerted me to the fact it only keeps a few days available.
…
The obfuscation is clever. Scales are given on each axis(!), and the numbers are clear. But the display time is brief, and while the graphs look similar, the starting year in each is different, and miraculously starts with a nice low temp.
…
Cheers
Dave B
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I’m pretty sure that Guyra is one of the BOM stations which is non compliant. Will Check though
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I cannot find Ken’s check on Guyra. ( Ken we really need a clickable list of all the failed BOM sites )
However he is a pdf from BOM about Guyra : http://www.bom.gov.au/clim_data/cdio/metadata/pdf/siteinfo/IDCJMD0040.056229.SiteInfo.pdf
And here go loom at Google Earth’s view of the site.
https://earth.google.com/web/@-30.2122,151.6794,1331.03105973a,583.10334264d,35y,0h,0t,0r
It is in the garden lawn of the Guyra hospital with large buildings, and car parks close by. In the Google Earth image there is a big pile of wood chips/mulch nicely warming the BOM Stevenson screen about 10 meters away !
In my opinion a BOM FAILS
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I live close. Will take a look.
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Guyra last had its station at the hospital. Previously at P.O. but the influence of a full Mother of Ducks lagoon just to the west gave that site a very low reading. Inverell, 100 kms to the northwest always recorded the lowest minima due to it being at tourist information centre right on the McIntyre river. This is a dog’s breakfast and no one can take temperature records seriously.
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You’re right Bill, it’s no l9nger used by bom. Though readings are taken I can’t see it presented on weatherzone or Bom.
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So just used by the ABC then ?
For their alarmist propaganda !
Duhhhhh ?
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Mate, Guyra is still a cold place in winter. Australia wise.
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Abandonment of Charter,
like Royal Society ‘Nullius in verba,’
and Constitutional Magna Carta,
or Science based on physical empiricism,
experiment and evidence…
makes no sense.
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4 Oct: Daily Mail: The costly reality of owning an electric car: How customers are being slugged $33,000 to repair cars only worth a fraction of the price – and why they can’t travel long journeys
•Canberra engineer Phillip Carlson bought a new Nissan Leaf for $53,500 in 2012
•He believed it had a range of 175km but even as a new car it could only go 120km
•It struggled to travel 60km after just five years and within the warranty period
•He was assured there was nothing wrong, and the problem had only worsened
•His Nissan dealership in February gave him a $33,385 bill to get battery replaced
•A Nissan spokeswoman said Leaf warranty claims had been ‘extremely low’
By Stephen Johnson
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7527339/Nissan-Leaf-owner-Phillip-Carlson-charged-33-000-new-battery-2012-electric-car.html
3 Oct: MarketWatch: Tesla stock reels after electric car maker’s missed sales
By Claudia Assis
Telsa Inc. shares were slammed on Thursday, after weaker-than-expected third-quarter deliveries prompted at least one downgrade and plenty of downbeat analyst commentary.
Tesla TSLA, -4.15% shares fell more than 6% and traded as low as $224.28, but recovered some ground by session end and closed down 4%…
“To put it another way, yesterday’s announcement was the first time since covering the stock that we found ourselves wondering whether demand growth for (Tesla’s) cars might be leveling off,” said the analysts, who were led by Joseph Osha.
Analysts at Cowen, who kept their equivalent of a sell rating on the stock, went further, saying that Tesla’s year-on-year “growth story” likely has ended.
“We don’t see much to get excited about in the near term, and believe bulls need to be big believers in the China factory, Model Y, and autonomous narrative to justify valuation,” said the analysts, led by Jeffery Osborne…
Tesla has set a goal of delivering 360,000 to 400,000 vehicles this year, which means more than 100,000 vehicles would have to be delivered in the fourth quarter to even come close to that goal. Analysts surveyed by FactSet are expecting 357,000 units for the year…
Tesla shares have lost 31% this year, contrasting with gains of 15% for the S&P 500 index SPX, +0.80% and 12% for the Dow Jones Industrial Average. DJIA, +0.47%
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-stock-reels-after-electric-car-makers-missed-sales-2019-10-03?mod=mw_latestnews
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3 Oct: The Hill: White House nixes climate change language from vehicle emissions proposal
By Rebecca Beitsch
The White House removed language calling climate change a “serious challenge” from a proposal that limits California’s ability to set tougher vehicle emissions standards, according to reporting from E&E News (LINK).
A draft of the document obtained by E&E shows the White House striking the phrase “while global climate change is a serious challenge” before explaining its rationale for why California should not be allowed to set more stringent emissions standards than the federal government…
The draft reviewed by E&E also shows the White House removed a reference to the Fourth National Climate Assessment, which painted a stark picture of how climate change will impact the planet…
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/464282-white-house-nixes-climate-change-language-from-vehicle-emissions
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3 Oct: WesternProducer: University’s climate change ad sparks controversy
By Jeremy Simes
A controversial University of Alberta billboard advertisement touting the benefits of climate change has caused concern among producer groups.
The ad, which read “Beefier barley: climate change will boost Alberta’s barley yield with less water, feeding more cattle,” drew heavy criticism because many people thought it conveyed the message that climate change is good, even though scientists have long warned it is detrimental for the planet.
Following the backlash, university officials said they were removing the advertisement and that it would have never been approved if it went through proper vetting. The vice-president of university relations, Jacqui Tam, resigned after the controversy.
The ad was based on research in 2017 that found Alberta barley might improve in growth and require less water if the climate is warmer and wetter…
While producer groups support the peer-reviewed research, which was funded in part by the former Alberta Livestock and Meat Agency, they say the ad could have offered more context…
Charlie Christie, chair of the Alberta Beef Producers, said the ad was delivered poorly.
“It delivered no context,” he said.
“It delivered the message that there is an upside to climate change, but that’s not a message we want to convey. We want to convey that climate change is an issue to deal with.”
However, Christie also took issue with how the public reacted to the ad.
He said people should be able to have discussions about adapting to the warming climate without fear of being labelled as a climate-change denier…
Other university alumni also weighed in, saying they were embarrassed and disappointed by the message.
However, before her resignation, Tam defended the billboard in the university blog, writing that the university was trying to highlight the complexity of its research.
“Different, even divergent, approaches are pursued by researchers across the University of Alberta; this is necessary work, even when it challenges expectations and assumptions,” she wrote.
The university said it now plans to review its approval process for advertisements and figure out what went wrong with the barley campaign.
https://www.producer.com/2019/10/universitys-climate-change-ad-sparks-controversy/
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genius!
4 Oct: B&T” “It’s The Media’s Responsibility To Call Out Nonsense”: Barrie Cassidy On Politics, Climate Change And Alan Jones
By Edward Pollitt
That was the message from former host of the ABC’s Insiders discussion program and high-profile journalist Barrie Cassidy in Melbourne last night.
Speaking for the first time in his role as RMIT adjunct professor, Cassidy took the opportunity to deliver a firm assessment of the current media ecosystem.
“So much of what we see and read is now straight out propaganda,” he said.
“It’s the media’s responsibility to call out nonsense when they see it, to distil the dishonest rhetoric from the debate, and to try to put the shrill accusations from all sides into perspective, not contribute to the process…
On climate change, Bon Hawke’s former Press Secretary took the opportunity to have a quip at another high-profile media personality.
“The science is in,” he said.
“The most recent was presented to the United Nations summit last week. Presented by the World Meteorological Organisation.
“Now I’m no expert. And neither is Alan Jones. But I reckon the World Meteorological Organisation probably are. And what do they say – with absolute conviction? That the last five years has been the hottest five years ever.”…
“I think it started some 10 years ago, when News Corp publications started running nonjournalists as op-ed commentators,” he said…
https://www.bandt.com.au/media/barrie-cassidy-medias-responsibility-call-nonsense
2 Oct: WashingtonFreeBeacon: Libs Owned Again: D.C. Journalism Museum to Close Amid Financial Difficulties
Democracy dies from lack of funding
by Andrew Stiles
The Newseum, a self-congratulatory monument to the media located in our nation’s capital, will close at the end of the year amid longstanding financial difficulties, proving once again that President Donald J. Trump cannot stop winning and will never stop owning the libs.
The organization said it “has struggled financially for a number of years and continuing to operate in our current location has proven unsustainable” in a statement released Wednesday…
It was funded by a group of media companies, primarily the Gannett newspaper chain, to the tune of $572 million. On a somewhat related note, hundreds of Gannett employees lost their jobs in 2019 in a round of brutal cutbacks…
Unlike most D.C. museums, it charged for admission—$24.95 for adults. A paywall, so to speak. It was the first museum of its kind: By the journalists, for the journalists, and of the journalists…
The Newseum, which will remain open until Dec. 31, is offering a 15 percent discount on tickets and is currently running a special exhibit — I swear I’m not making this up — on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.
https://freebeacon.com/blog/newseum-closed-libs-owned/
20 Oct 2016: Newseum: #MyVote Campaign and Election Day Programming at the Newseum
On Election Day the Newseum will host CNN’s #MyVote camper and a one-of-a-kind immersive virtual projection on the front of the building…
From 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., the Newseum will broadcast CNN coverage of the election on its 40-foot-by-22-foot HD screen in the New York Times Great Hall for museum visitors.
Since May, the Newseum has partnered with CNN Politics on an interactive exhibit that connects visitors to the 2016 presidential campaign in real time…READ MORE
20 Sept 2016: Newseum: Media the Focus in CNN Program
CNN’s lead political anchor Wolf Blitzer moderated a lively discussion Sept. 19 in the Newseum’s Walter and Leonore Annenberg Theater about the issues involved in the unprecedented 2016 election and the media’s coverage of it.
But Blitzer and his panel of fellow CNN correspondents found themselves in the hot seat when a few audience members questioned the media’s apparent reluctance to question Trump’s veracity, wondered if the media had been “taking sides” in the election, and thought coverage was “based on personality and not issues.”
“Isn’t it true that … because of yours and all your colleagues’ belief in fairness, false equivalency and objectivity, you won’t call [Trump] a liar? You won’t point out the false equivalency?” asked one questioner, to much applause.
Chris Moody, senior digital correspondent, said many people in the news media realize that “we’re playing by different rules than we have before. I think our fact-checkers have been on overdrive.”…
https://www.newseum.org/tag/cnn-politics/
8 Feb 2018: Daily Caller: The Newseum Is On The Brink Of Collapse While Its Executives Receive Fat Salaries
by Joe Simonson
The CEO of the museum’s top donor, Freedom Forum, stepped down from his position in August 2017 after failing to clean up the museum’s finances after the nonprofit put in nearly $500 million since 1997.
With hundreds of millions pouring in, the Newseum seemed to exercise little fiscal restraint. A third of the museum’s expenses were spent on salaries, benefits and payroll taxes in 2015. Top executives like CEO Jeffrey Herbst took in $259,108 in 2015 for only five month’s work. His predecessor, James Duff, earned $1.2 million the year before — all while the organization sustained losses totaling in the millions from 2011 to 2015…
Poor fundraising has led to Freedom Forum to carry a $300 million debt, raising questions about how much longer it can possibly prop up a museum that has been criticized by members of the press itself. Jack Shafer of Politico once wrote that the museum “deserves to die.”…
“It’s a slow-motion disaster,” an individual with knowledge of the museum’s finances told WaPo.
https://dailycaller.com/2018/02/08/newseum-could-close-washington-post/
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Barrie Cassidy has moved troughs. It appears that RMIT has developed into a major propaganda satellite of Our ABC –Fact Check and Cassidy mentioned here in the last fortnight thanks to pat.
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Indeed, Cassidy is similar to so many in positions of opinion and influence. Lack of discernment, questioning or plain common-sense. Cassidy I have to say is a tool.
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Welcome all to the Inverse Conversation, a place where everyone is free.
To distort and ab use the very important PC koncept of “free speech” as demonstrated in the world’s media output.
In support of the BCIC, P, we now have V and putting them together gives PV.
There’s definitely a message there since PV is the core mechanism behind the solar panel offloading scam being run by chyna.
The blog is no longer “clogged” it’s constipated: well done guys.
The only good news is that with two more contributors helping to support the blog financially it lightens the load for the rest of us. Thanks guys for your support.
KK
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You don’t for one second think that either of those dopes actually contributes anything, do you ? !!
PF found himself having to admit that there was no scientific evidence of CO2 warming and no evidence of human influence on the global climate in 40 years, so has hired himself an underling.
A dumber, more brain-washed and scientifically illiterate version of himself, if that is even possible.
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I haven’t read the V verbiage but it’s not getting good press.
And as for “contributing”, yes that was a joke.
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Also welcome to the world of negative globalism, thanks to Morrison’s speech. It wasn’t his original idea of course but he has now made more people aware of the term, including myself. I get tired of such phrases as they sound too much like Orwellian speech and divert focus away from real action rather than focusing on speeches that actually mean very little. However, I will try to comply. Nope, I’ve changed my mind. I won’t.
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Neither will I.
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Morrison seems to little encouragement to pursue this anti UN vein; his opposition to the Compact on Migration is solid –let’s not forget the bullet we dodged by not installing Labor as Shorten was going to sign up to that abdication of sovereignty.
Maybe in his next term Trump will make moves towards exiting the UN and taking a like minded coterie of sovereign states into a new international grouping. The Visegrad EU group would be interested, Australia ought to be. Lord alone knows where the UK is going and NZ needs first to rid itself of its Dracula’s Bride leader before it can show some independence.
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“seems to need little encouragement” (sad proofreading)
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You have to watch this.
One of Ocasio-Cortez’s constituents loses her mind
“We got to start eating babies! We don’t have enough time! …
https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1179908480322289664
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One of the most dedicated groups of meteorology recorders for the last 100 years is… pilots.
A collection of Pilot’s Log Books from all over the country would yield a significant amount of very accurate temperature data that would be an almost continuous record of nearly every town and region in Australia and probably the world.
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I agree that would be an interesting exercise but only an academic one. The real issue is not whether the climate is warming or not. The real issue is no one is really taking it seriously enough since hundreds of new coal fired power stations are being built as we speak with many more to come. So if cutting our emissions is supposed to fix the alleged problem and the alarmists are yelling and screaming at the West for not cutting them more drastically by shutting down our coal fired plants and stopping export of coal to other nations then we have a far greater problem on our hands. The problem is terrorism against the West masquerading as climate action. It is time for our Western leaders to come out and put an end to that before it will destroy us if we do nothing. The only way to do that is to use the UN on itself and formulate an agreement for all nations to cut their emissions drastically for the common good. Isn’t that the UN’s purpose, fighting for the common good? Of course it won’t go far because countries like China will resist but at least it will expose the hypocrisy of it all. Then we all can go back to building more coal fired power stations as the alarmists are shut down (or arrested for terrorism if they continue their violent protests “for the common good”).
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surely this is all over theirABC & the rest of the FakeNewsMSM today! lol:
3 Oct: NationalFile: BREAKING: Nancy Pelosi’s son was Exec at Gas Company that did business in Ukraine
Nancy featured in Company video
by Patrick Howley
A 2013 interview (LINK) with NRGLab’s lead technician Zeev Drori reported that NRGLab was funded by environmental businesswoman Ana Shell, who writes about Ukraine energy issues on her blog (LINK)…
“In brief, SH-boxes are environmentally friendly generators which employs the use of poly-crystal technology to producing electricity from environmental heat. With the SH-boxes, electricity could be generated more efficiently and cleanly at a lower cost,” the interview with Ana Shell notes…
NRGLab’s website states that the company is based in Singapore and notes, “The company’s additional projects include a strategic partnership and investment from Viscoil Holdings to recycle waste materials into eco-friendly diesel fuel. NRGLab has obtained an exclusive license for the Viscoil Technology for the South East Asian region for all raw materials.”
Viscoil Holdings is currently suspended by the California Secretary of State…
***Paul Pelosi Jr. co-founded the company Natural Blue Resources, which the SEC charged with securities fraud in 2014…
https://nationalfile.com/breaking-nancy-pelosis-son-was-exec-at-gas-company-that-did-business-in-ukraine/
***17 Jul 2014: WashingtonFreeBeacon: Company Cofounded by Paul Pelosi Jr. Charged with Securities Fraud
SEC: Environmental investment company Natural Blue Resources run by criminals
by Elizabeth Harrington
The Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) charged a company cofounded by Paul Pelosi Jr. with fraud on Wednesday after learning that two convicted criminals were running the business.
Paul Pelosi Jr., the son of House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D., Calif.), was the president and chief operating officer of Natural Blue Resources Inc., an investment company he cofounded that focuses on “environmentally-friendly” ventures…
Pelosi cofounded the company in 2009. The SEC said Natural Blue’s mission is to “create, acquire, or otherwise invest in environmentally-friendly companies, including an initiative to locate, purify, and sell water recovered from underground aquifers in New Mexico and other areas with depleting water resources.”…
According to Bloomberg Businessweek, Pelosi served as president and chief operating officer of Natural Blue Resources, Inc. until January 11, 2010. Joseph Montalto is listed as the current president. However, the Mountain View Telegraph cited Pelosi as Natural Blue’s president last year, and (governor of New Mexico from 1983 to 1987, Democrat ***Toney Anaya) was still leading the company as chairman and CEO at this time…
https://freebeacon.com/politics/company-cofounded-by-paul-pelosi-jr-charged-with-securities-fraud/
***Wikipedia: Toney Anaya: As governor, Anaya focused on energy alternatives, water development and conservation, the environment, education, and economic development. Known as a visionary…
From August 2009 to January 2011, Anaya served as Chief Executive Officer of Natural Blue Resources, a Woburn, Massachusetts-based penny stock company specializing in investments in environmentally friendly companies, including a New Mexico-based initiative to sell purified water. In July 2014, Anaya entered into a civil settlement with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission relating to charges that he committed fraud…Anaya agreed to a five-year ban from penny stock offerings and a cease-and-desist order without admitting or denying the charges.
“NON-PARTISAN” SNOPES SAYS NOTHING TO SEE HERE…MOVE ON:
29 Jan: Snopes: Is a ‘Nancy Pelosi Crime Family’ Meme Accurate?
And where does the ‘Pelosi Crime Family’ fall on a scale of ‘innocent’ to ‘Gambino’?
by Dan Evon
We’ve examined each of the accusations leveled within against House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, her husband, her father, her brother, and her son individually and found them to be largely overstated, misrepresented, or based on unreliable information:
The Facts: In July 2014, the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) announced they were bringing fraud charges against four individuals involved with the company Natural Blue Resources Inc. Although Paul Pelosi, Jr. did work for that company, he was not one of the individuals charged with securities fraud by the SEC, who didn’t even mention Pelosi Jr.’s name when they first announced the charges…
Subsequent SEC filings listed Paul Pelosi, Jr. as President and Board member of Natural Blue from 24 August 2009 to 10 January 2010. So Nancy Pelosi’s son was involved with a company that was charged with securities fraud years later, he was never personally charged with a crime…
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nancy-pelosi-crime-family/
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Why do you think that the Troposphere is showing less warming than the surface? After all that is what is being compared here. The 2 have completely different mechanisms for heat transport, and different capacities for heat storage.
/expecting the usual response
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Because most of the surface thermometers are shonkily sited Fitz.
Go an actually look at the the investigation done by Ken Stewart since July !
it’s all there ! And it’s so easy to read even complete dopes like you can understand. what is written.
Plus there are comments for each BOM site adding to then picture.
But I suspect that will be toooooo bloody hard for you Fitz
And doing so might undermine some of your favourite delusions !.
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So all the various worldwide records of SAT are in agreement, they can not be all shonky now can they?
Secondly you would expect a difference between a temp measurement in the troposphere as it is higher up, you know like mountains.
Thirdly, and this is important, radiation in the atmosphere is in all directions, whereas on the surface not so much.
/science vs truthiness
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” all shonky now can they”
Yes, they are all based on the same CORRUPTED DATA.
Gees aren’t you even “aware of that FACT !
You really are just DUMB and very IGNORANT.
You have NO SCIENCE and NO TRUTH.
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Peter,
Its so simple, like the birther says, everything is rigged !.
/ science vs Andy
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Dead set right. The evidence of temperature manipulations are so obvious as to be incontrovertible. Of course we do have DENIERS in our midst.
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Peter – alas above their intellectual ability.
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This is comes of having your income dependant on a sunset industry, saw all the same basic arguments about cigarettes.
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Peter your reference to the tobacco industry is pathetic, drop the emotive propaganda and focus on the science.
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Science – troposphere temps are not surface temps. They can not be compared as if they were the same
/false comparisons
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‘ … income dependant on a sunset industry …’
Surely this is emotive propaganda?
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El Gordo – I’m sorry but world wide there are plans to remove coal power from the generating mix. Germany and England are particularly well advanced. Now I know that China is increasing its coal fired power, but I did say world wide, and big as it is china is not the world. Also America is shuttering some of its larger coal plants, as they can not compete with gas.
If that is not the definition of a sunset industry I do not know what is
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“Now I know that China is increasing its coal fired power”
And helping MANY other developing countries do the same.
Something like an extra 30-40% of output from worldwide coal fired power over the next decade or so.
Gas is still FOSSIL FUEL , PF.
Tell the greenies to allow fracking and shale oil mining in Australia,
You have their ear, don’t you, a self-important mouth like you !!
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China and Australia are in tandem, phasing out renewable subsidies the industry will flounder.
‘Worldwide, renewables grew by 14.5 percent, nearing their record-breaking increase in 2017, but still accounted for only around a third of the increase in total power generation.
‘On the other hand, coal consumption and production worldwide grew for the second year in a row in 2018, following three years of decline from 2014 to 2016, with consumption up 1.4 percent year-on-year and production up 4.3 percent year-on-year.’
China Daily
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Southeast Asia going against the trend, this post from David Middleton (wuwt).
‘Not only will coal continue to be the dominant fuel source in power generation in Southeast Asia, its use will grow and peak in 2027 before slowing, the Wood Mackenzie study found. By 2040, coal will account for 36% of Southeast Asia’s energy mix for power generation, according to the consultancy.
‘The demand surge is primarily driven by Indonesia and Vietnam, accounting for almost 60% of Southeast Asian power demand by 2040, said Tao.’
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“troposphere temps are not surface temps”
So you are saying the gravity controlled temperature gradient has changed, is that right PF?
That is the only reason trends would differ if the surface temperatures weren’t anything but a blatant fabrication
Bring real science.. when you can actually find any.
We have been waiting a LONG LONG time !!!
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el g:
Agreed. People might discover where the Gore family got their wealth.
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Ahhh … welcome.
Spencer says Antarctica is recalcitrant.
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/10/record-antarctic-stratospheric-warming-causes-sept-2019-global-temperature-update-confusion/
Preempting the new paper by Christy and Spencer, the period from 1991-98 is a perfect test bed to work out the industrial CO2 component.
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Back to primary school Vishy, yo will feel better back there.
Here you are just a little lost sheeple making plaintive baaaa-ing noises.
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The Troposphere stores heat says Fitz ? Would this be the fabled hot spot that no one can seem to find ?
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Air you saying that the troposphere does not have a temperature? Is it like outer space. Of course it stores heat.
/try again
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Strong El Nino acts as a valve to send warmth into space.
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And how does it do that, does it remove all the clouds or some such?
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Do you really DENY that an El Nino releases ocean energy into the atmosphere, and that the atmosphere will gradually disperse that energy to space.
WOW, You really do keep showing your complete LACK OF COMPREHENSION of the climate system, don’t you PF !
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asking for the mechanism, that is what I am doing
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So, no mechanism of warming by atmospheric CO2, hey PF
Just keep ducking the science.. its what you do.
Do you really DENY that an El Nino releases ocean energy into the atmosphere,
Really ?????
Do you really DENY and that the atmosphere will gradually disperse that energy to space.
Warm air doesn’t rise, the new PF meme. !!
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This from Javier at Climate Etc.
‘While the effect of solar variability on the oceans is important, the effect on the atmosphere is even bigger probably leading to more important consequences.
‘But we have to rephrase your last phrase. During cooling times Niños become more frequent, more heat is extracted from the subsurface Equatorial Pacific and moved outside the planet. This manifests as warming at the surface (where thermometers are) as the heat flux is increased.’
Cheng, L., et al. “Evolution of ocean heat content related to ENSO.” Journal of Climate 32.12 (2019): 3529-3556.
https://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/JCLI-D-18-0607.1
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interesting indeed
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There is NO EVIDENCE that the troposphere is storing any EXTRA heat, PF
The Ceres OLR data matches UAH troposphere data almost exactly
No evidence of any divergence,
No evidence of nay extra energy being retained.
You are a FACTLESS clown, PF !.
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Again you misunderstand, I am saying that the troposphere does store heat, a reference to Robert’s post. No where did I say that there is extra heat. And if you could take one thing away with you today – that would be that measurement of the troposphere (both UAH and CERES) are not measurement of the surface (SAT) Say what you will, but a comparison is futile, they are different, and nothing you can say will change that.
/apples and oranges
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“No where did I say that there is extra heat.”
WELL DONE, you have just admitted that the atmosphere isn’t storing any extra heat, therefore no CO2 effect
You keep accidentally telling the truth.
Very confused are you ??? Massive cognitive non-functionality, for sure. ! 🙂
Syrface data at UNCOMPROMISED SITES, doesn’t show much warming.
Its only the large urban heat effect being spread across large areas where it should be applied that causes an exaggerated the meaningless calculated/fabricated surface temperatures.
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And the atmosphere is the only component? The sea does not count, nor the land. I am a land based mammal those distinctions are important to me
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Well we know CO2 can’t warm the oceans, tiny thin band of feeble energy.
Can’t even penetrate a fraction of a mm.
Solar warms the oceans.
Thanks for again showing that the slight warming that has happened has NOT been from human influence.
You are doing a great job getting accidentally back to REALITY, PF 🙂
Yes you are an inner urban creature, living very close to the surface, as rodents and cockroaches are liable to do.
You might experience a small amount of URBAN warming.
GET OVER IT !
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so the el Nino idea is out the window, “There is NO EVIDENCE that the troposphere is storing any EXTRA heat” so if, as you say el Nino is releasing heat to the atmosphere, but it shows no sign of warming, then?
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That is TRANSIENT heat, dopey
It gradually passes through the atmosphere.
Do you REALLY deny that warmer air rises.. WOW. !!
Basic DENIAL of known measured physics.. just what we would expect from you.
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“The Troposphere stores heat says Fitz”
PF is of course TOTALLY WRONG
The troposphere TRANSFERS or CONVEYS heat and energy from the surface to upper atmosphere.
All heat and energy is just passing through. !
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And since the OLR data aligns with no divergence to the troposphere temperature..
.. no change in the rate of transfer of energy is occurring.
hence, there is no warming from increased atmospheric CO2
which is why it has NEVER been observed or measured.
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“Why do you think that the Troposphere is showing less warming than the surface?”
URBAN HEAT, mindless one !! and adjustments
In other words, on a global basis, IT DOESN’T
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And your calculations are where? You know – area generating UHI as a percentage of the globe, increase in radiative flux, back radiation increase etc etc
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“increase in radiative flux, back radiation increase “
Make it up as you go, PF,
Remain IGNORANT of convection and conduction
It is the only way you can keep your brain-washing from complete collapse. !!
You have been shown that sites unaffected by urban heat, just are not warming.
This is why UAH over Australia shows NO WARMING in couple of decades, even with the El Nino.
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So you have a model, no calculations, no basis in physics, where heat from the oceans mysteriously goes into outer space, but only during el ninos, and somehow is not recorded on this journey. Have you heard the one about Baa Baa Black Sheep?
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“where heat from the oceans mysteriously goes into outer space”
So you admit you are TOTALLY IGNORANT of convection and conduction
and that warmer air rises. WOW, such ignorance!!!
“and somehow is not recorded on this journey”
The warmer air is recorded in the atmosphere as it is transferred to space, that is why you see peaks in the tropospheric temperature data around 1998 and 2015/16.
You really are clueless, aren’t you PF !!
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[…] strange places – like a hot tin roof! And looking at the satellite records of temperatures to compare 1991 with 2019 that is supposed to be dreadfully hot! Headlines rang out telling Australians that last summer was […]
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***note the “prank”. however, what was most telling was the failure of the audience or AOC to react when the individual was delivering her “rant”:
4 Oct: Breitbart: Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Proposes ‘Zero-Carbon Airplanes’
by Joel B. Pollak
“And, frankly, for everyone who says a Green New Deal is going to ground planes, I guarantee you, climate change — which threatens storms, turbulence, airplane groundings, and airport closures — will ground airplanes far sooner and far worse than any sort of climate legislation ever would if we made, for example, scientific investments in zero-carbon airplanes and flights and things like that, which, I believe, at some point, you know, hopefully we’ll be able to create that kind of technology. But it takes thinking like this to do it. So, thank you.”…
Ocasio-Cortez’s suggestion (via the Washington Free Beacon) came at the same town hall meeting at which she was urged by a prankster to adopt a new campaign slogan, “Eat the Babies,” to convey the urgency of climate change, which could end the world in the near future.
***The prank took in many observers — including Ocasio-Cortez herself — partly because the proposal resembles some of the more creative ideas that the representative has proposed to deal with the problem of climate change…
(A fringe group, LaRouche PAC, later claimed credit for the “eat the babies” prank.)
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/04/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-proposes-zero-carbon-airplanes/
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4 Oct: Gizmodo: Video About Eating Babies for Climate Change at AOC Town Hall Was Staged by Pro-Trump Group
by Matt Novak
LaRouche PAC, a far-right group that supports Donald Trump, has taken credit for trolling Democratic Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez during a town hall meeting yesterday…
Many people clearly thought she was mentally disturbed, but LaRouche PAC, a fringe organization that believes climate change is a hoax, was behind the stunt, according to the group’s Twitter account (LINK)…
https://gizmodo.com/viral-video-about-eating-babies-at-aoc-town-hall-was-st-1838767680?IR=T
Wikipedia: LaRouche was a presidential candidate in every election from 1976 through 2004, running once for his own U.S. Labor Party and seven times for the Democratic Party nomination.
As a Quaker, he was a conscientious objector (CO) during World War II and joined a Civilian Public Service camp…
He discussed Marxism in the CO camp, and while traveling home on the SS General Bradley in 1946, he met Don Merrill, a fellow soldier, also from Lynn, who converted him to Trotskyism…
In 1967 LaRouche began teaching classes on Marx’s dialectical materialism at New York City’s Free School, and attracted a group of students from Columbia University and the City College of New York, recommending that they read Das Kapital, as well as Hegel, Kant, and Leibniz. During the 1968 Columbia University protests, he organized his supporters under the name National Caucus of Labor Committees (NCLC). The aim of the NCLC was to win control of the Students for a Democratic Society branch—the university’s main activist group—and build a political alliance between students, local residents, organized labor, and the Columbia faculty…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyndon_LaRouche
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reminder: Gizmodo Australia is owned by Pedestrian TV, now majority owned by Nine Entertainment (chair, Peter Costello).
5 Oct: Gizmodo: The American Attack On Science Has Reached A ‘Crisis Point,’ Damning Report Shows
by Yessenia Funes
New York University’s Brennan Centre for Justice published (LINK) the 72-page report Friday, offering proposals for how the government can better safeguard federal scientific research and democracy itself, which is feeling fragile at the moment. Two main problems are threatening democracy: The politicisation of science and failing to appoint senior government officials.
All this is especially relevant under Trump, who denies climate science and has appointed individuals to high-ranking positions who do the same…
To help prevent U.S. democracy — and the integrity of science — from falling apart further, the report authors recommend reducing the flow of money in politics. This proposal stands out because it’s in line with a growing rally cry from the progressive left, especially from Democratic presidential candidates like Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders…READ ALL
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2019/10/the-american-attack-on-science-has-reached-a-crisis-point-damning-report-shows
the writer:
Twitter Yessenia Funes, “bad muthaf**ka, god complex” // staff writer @EARTH3R covering environmental justice, among other things // she, her, ella //
https://twitter.com/yessfun
Wikipedia: The Brennan Center advocates for a number of progressive public policy positions, including raising the minimum wage, opposing voter ID laws, and calling for public funding of elections…The organization’s president is Michael Waldman, former director of speechwriting for President Bill Clinton…
The Brennan Center for Justice was founded in 1995 by the family and former law clerks of Supreme Court Justice William J. Brennan, whom the Washington Post called “the progressive voice of the modern court.”…
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1 Oct: Buzzfeed: The Sunrise Movement Is Building An Army In The Early 2020 States
“Our top priority is to build an army of young people to elect a candidate in the caucuses who will be a champion of the Green New Deal,” said one organizer.
by Zahra Hirji
It’s not just about getting people out to vote, according to Sunrise spokesperson Stephen O’Hanlon, it’s about building long-term engagement on climate change. This is mirrored in the group’s new slogan: “Organize, vote, strike.”…READ ALL
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zahrahirji/sunrise-movement-green-new-deal-iowa-new-hampshire-2020
the writer:
InsideClimateNews Bio: Zahra Hirji covered natural gas drilling, fossil fuel divestment, renewable energy policy and climate science, among other issues for ICN. She also ran ICN’s two news aggregations, Today’s Climate and Clean Economy Wire, as well as helped with multimedia presentations, social media and website upkeep. Her writing has been featured in the Brown Alumni Magazine, Wired’s Eruptions blog, Discovery News and EARTH magazine, among other publications. She has a degree in geology from Brown University and a masters degree in science writing from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
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4 Oct: Reuters: ‘Never give up,’ Swedish teen tells Iowa climate activists after U.N. summit ‘failure’
Reporting by Adam Devall in Iowa City and Maria Caspani in New York; Writing by Maria Caspani; Editing by Scott Malone, Bill Berkrot and David Gregorio
“As we all know, the UN Climate Action Summit was a failure,” the 16-year-old Swede told a cheering crowd just off the campus of the University of Iowa. “No matter what, we need to continue,” Thunberg told an adoring crowd that welcomed her with chants of “Greta, Greta.”
Hundreds of demonstrators gathered at the rally to listen to the Swedish activist. Some held signs with slogans such as “If you breathe the air you should care” and “Science not silence.”…
“She is the face of climate change,” said Lena Kosinski, a 21-year-old student at the University of Iowa. “It’s nice to have not only a young person, but a female leading the change.”…
Activists at the rally renewed calls for the University of Iowa to cease operations of its coal-burning plant. Iowa City Mayor Jim Throgmorton said pressure from the young activists had been instrumental in speeding up efforts toward a local action plan to tackle climate change.
A polarizing figure in the climate change debate, Thunberg is venerated by many peers and ridiculed by some critics. She is the odds on favorite to win the Nobel Peace Prize this month, though her aggressive style may turn off some on the Nobel committee…
With events such as extreme weather, thawing permafrost and sea-level rise unfolding much faster than expected, scientists say the urgency of the climate crisis has intensified since the signing of the Paris accord in 2015…
U.S. President Donald Trump intends to pull the United States out of the international deal that aims to reduce carbon emissions. Under terms of the pact, that cannot formally happen before Nov. 4, 2020.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-climate-change-strike-iowa/teenage-activist-greta-thunberg-brings-call-for-climate-action-to-iowa-idUSKBN1WJ12R?feedType=RSS&feedName=domesticNews
the main writer is Alan Devall, whose LinkedIn states:
LinkedIn: Alan Devall, CAMERAMAN at Thomson Reuters, Greater Los Angeles Area
—
there are Reuters’ California pieces attributed to him online.
guess Reuters has an army of staff following Greta wherever she goes, or editing the writers’ pieces from Reuters HAQ.
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4 Oct: White House: U.S. Unemployment Rate Falls to 50-Year Low
Since the President’s election, the economy has added over 6.4 million jobs—more than the population of Maryland. Steady job growth in combination with sustained year-over-year wage increases are not only positive signs for the economy: They also improve workers’ quality of life and incentivize previously left-behind Americans to join the labor force.
The household survey finds that the unemployment rate fell to 3.5 percent in September, marking the 19th consecutive month at or below 4 percent unemployment. The unemployment rate is the lowest it has been since May 1969—over 50 years ago. All Americans are benefiting from the labor market’s continued improvement. The lowest unemployment rates on record were matched or set in September 2019 for African Americans, Hispanics, and people with disabilities…
https://www.whitehouse.gov/articles/u-s-unemployment-rate-falls-50-year-low/
US unemployment rate hits 50-year low
Financial Times – 12 hours ago
US unemployment drops to lowest since 1969
CNN – 11 hours ago
NYT tries to hold out:
Hiring Slowed in September as Unemployment Rate Fell to a 50-year low
The New York Times – 5 hours ago
The cavalcade of payroll gains continued for the 108th month in September, pushing down the jobless rate to a half-century low and countering …
4 Oct: CNBC: Here’s why Trump’s poll numbers are defying the impeachment mess
A very large number of Americans don’t have high levels of trust and respect for the government, and they’re generally OK with Trump being the junkyard dog who digs it all out, writes Jake Novak.
But through all of this, Trump’s approval rating is at its highest level of the year according to the Hill-HarrisX survey, and the other major polls taken since this Ukraine phone call whistleblower story emerged show few changes from the last surveys taken before the news broke.
How is this possible?
Anyone still asking that question simply hasn’t come to terms with why Donald Trump won the 2016 election in the first place. In short, Trump was elected to be the ultimate disruptor and to play that disruptive role as much as possible. “Drain the swamp” wasn’t just a campaign slogan, but a visceral feeling against establishment Washington in every way…
Donald Trump is different. He plays by different rules and is judged by different rules. As long as his opponents play by the old rules, he’s likely to survive this scandal and the 2020 re-election battle.
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/04/heres-why-trumps-poll-numbers-are-defying-the-impeachment-mess.html
1h7min to 1h52min:
Youtube: President Trump Delivers Remarks at the Young Black Leadership Summit 2019
The White House
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ge1l1UCGkY&feature=youtu.be
4 Oct: White House: Remarks by President Trump at Young Black Leadership Summit 2019
TRANSCRIPT:
MR. OKEREKE: Thank you. Thank you.
Finally, sir, thank you for taking down the fake news media, sir. (Applause.)…
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-young-black-leadership-summit-2019/
4 Oct: Breitbart: Donald Trump to Young Black Leaders: Democrats Want to Steal Your Voice and Steal Your Country
by Charlie Spiering
The president acknowledged that the left was trying to censor their speech, encourage them to keep speaking up for their values and beliefs. He said:
“Left-wing censors have launched an all-out campaign against free speech. That is why they are trying to silence, de-platform, cancel, punish, all of the proud conservative voters, all of the proud African-American voters that know what’s happening. They want to silence you, but we know that the patriots in this room will not be intimidated.”…READ ON
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/10/04/donald-trump-to-young-black-leaders-democrats-want-to-steal-your-voice-and-steal-your-country/
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4 Oct: The Hill: Women who vandalized Dakota Access pipeline charged on 9 counts
by John Bowden
Two women have been charged by the Justice Department with attempting to damage the controversial Dakota Access pipeline in Iowa after attacking the oil pipeline with torches in 2017.
A press release (LINK) Wednesday from the Justice Department announced nine charges each against Jessica Rae Reznicek and Ruby Katherine Montoya, including four counts of malicious use of fire, four counts of use of fire in the commission of a felony, and one count of conspiracy to damage an energy facility.
The two women admitted to attempting to damage the pipeline and nearby construction machinery at a news conference in 2017 shortly after their arrest, though they did not face charges at the time…
If the women are convicted, some counts in the indictment carry mandatory minimum sentences of 10 years in prison, with the sentence jumping to 20 years for subsequent convictions.
A spokeswoman for Energy Transfer Partners, one of the companies involved with the pipeline, told the Times that the women’s protest had crossed a line…
https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/464395-women-who-vandalized-dakota-access-pipeline-charged-on-9-counts
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What the fake!? Why have NZ Police not arrested these ####s on t*******m charges?
“Police, Wellington City Council and NZTA are gearing up in anticipation of… what has been called a ‘global rebellion’, with Wellington the first of more than 60 cities worldwide targeted for climate activist disruption… The action is coinciding with a ‘Rebel Camp’… which will include training in ‘non-violent direct action'”. Hong Kong anyone?
“Extinction Rebellion Wellington spokesperson Dr Sea Rotmann said the New Zealand branch would disrupt Wellington traffic with a street party and expected arrests… The event is open to the public, with a ‘family-friendly space’ for people to take part without risking arrest”. Parliament security emailed govt workers the action was “likely to include blockades of major roads, bridges and transport links. If this group is successful… it will likely result in significant traffic delays… to normal commuter travel into Wellington”. Hello – calling Mr Plod, hello?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/climate-news/116320466/wellington-will-be-first-city-targeted-for-disruption-in-worldwide-climate-change-protest
http://www.socialclimate.co.nz/blog/climate-millionaire-with-dr-sea-rotmann
Eek!Stinky! spokeswombat, Dr Sea Rotmann, is “an environmental scientist and behaviour changer. I lead a global research project on how to change Behaviour Changers’ behaviours [wtf?]. I am flying a lot for my work and to date there aren’t effective enough tools to make up for the importance of face-to-face workshops with Behaviour Changers… I heard about global warming when I was about 13 in school and realised it was a massive threat”. Oh My Göebbels!
And the winner quote is: “There is a new disorder recognised called ‘pre-traumatic stress disorder’ and it affects environmental and climate scientists who have foreseen this catastrophe but have been ignored or even vilified for it”. Delusions of grandeur? Persecution Complex? Paranoia? Friend of Flim Flam? This walrus needs a soft, padded cell with soothing music and some serious medication – why have NZ Police not arrested/hospitalised her? /rhetorical /rant over 🙂
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Off the topic, some amazing news from a study of rubbish washed ashore in the Atlantic ocean.
75% is mostly Chinese
Mostly drink bottles
90% dated last year
So here we sit in the part of the Southern and Pacific oceans with only 2% of the world’s population and no evidence of a problem and being forced to give up plastic straws and disposable, rapidly degrading plastic shopping bags.
Why? All this virtue signalling has to stop. And we now have the world’s highest electricity prices. Why? 90% is still from coal despite the $6Billion a year stolen from our electricity bills and the total collapse of manufacturing, smelting, refining. Next they will go after farmers.
Meanwhile the BOM is fudging and omitting temperatures to prove that we should be made to suffer more to save China from overheating?
What? Australia suffered terribly in the Federation drought long before the motor car and now we are paying again to please the bankers EU and UN. Even China gets carbon money.
Perhaps the Chinese could stop dumping their garbage in the Atlantic first? Or consider it’s our garbage? Then perhaps we could stop dumping our garbage in Asia? But then again our Green electricity is so expensive we cannot afford to recycle plastic.
Medieval self flagellation Madness. Called ecology. All supported by Climate Scientology, Greta’s Grim fairy tale.
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China you say…
The leading light, the cause célèbre, the champion of our Green Sumpthink Future – that China?
https://www.nsstc.uah.edu/climate/2019/september/201909_map.png
In Roy Spencer’s global anomaly map (above) for September’s 0.61˚C alleged crisis, apart from Sweden and Russia being colder than average, both China and India suffered no warming whatsoever, ie. no change; situation normal, all fudged up? Same for our little shaky isles way down in the lower-right southern ocean – no change. What’s our contribution to world plastics/pollution/propaganda? 0.17%.
Who would’ve thought so many would fall for Scientology in this day and age…
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‘Perhaps the Chinese could stop dumping their garbage in the Atlantic first? Or consider it’s our garbage? Then perhaps we could stop dumping our garbage in Asia? But then again our Green electricity is so expensive we cannot afford to recycle plastic.’
China doesnt DUMP rubbish into the ocean. It has very strict policies regarding disposal. Gone are the bad old days.
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“Record Antarctic Stratospheric Warming Causes Sept. 2019 Global Temperature Update Confusion”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/04/record-antarctic-stratospheric-warming-causes-sept-2019-global-temperature-update-confusion/
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The MSM and climate co-conspirators are now using the term global heating instead of global warming. Yawn. Gotta up the scare level. Similarly the climate crisis has been upgraded to a climate emergency and even the dreaded climate catastrophe. Are we at climate Defcon 1 yet? Or can I quit stockpiling baked beans?
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This is hilarious.
https://sputniknews.com/columnists/201910041076965147-stop-the-world-i-want-to-get-off/
A few segments..
“So, it suddenly becomes okay for kids to bunk off school, close down London for days on end with the coppers almost aiding and abetting them. Do you remember that PC (politically correct) Plod who went skateboarding with them when they planted their pink boat in Trafalgar square a few weeks ago?”
“People have been wondering where the idiots got a fire engine from but I am more concerned that we sold off Boris’s water cannons because instead of dousing the treasury red we should have been hosing these reprobates down the street. I am not joking let’s fight fire with fire or water and dye with water and dye.”
“The Biased Broadcasting Corporation will be making graphs showing us that it is cow sh*t that is warming up the planet in their woke usual bullsh*t way and anyone who stands up to this confected nonsense is ready to be ostracised, and outcast from polite society and shouted down as a fascist and the thief of some pigtailed idiot’s future.”
😀
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Welcome back to the Inverse Conversation, part 769V.
The latest V contribution to the global warming? debate :
“Hahahaha – classic. Ladies and gentlemen, I think we may have met the village idiot.”
Wonderful contribution to debate.
KK
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I agree KK, watching from the sidelines for two weeks (Influenza A) I noticed not only increased contrarian comments but the degradation of quality replies, now I’m not in any position to act all virtuous about snarky comments, I’ve done many, but like to think I attempted at times to offer some sort of proof or insight to a question.
What is obvious is the trolls, warmists etc.. don’t want to debate in any meaningful discourse that represents the open nature of the scientific method, for whatever their motives are for being here its definitely not one of seeking true knowledge but to provoke and elicit the type of responses you’d see in YouTube comments made by the immature or intellectually challenged.
Free speech is a great thing but sometimes Popper’s Tolerance Paradox is the only sensible weapon left.
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I hope you soon feel better Yonnie.
As far as our trolls are concerned…for goodness’ sake evetybody…IGNORE them and don’t let them hijack my favourite blog. Thankyou.
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Thanks for the good wishes Annie, it’s a rotten virus.
If the conversation gets progressively worse with no direction, it’s useless.
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Annie boys are naturally robust and enjoy a biff, relax and enjoy the slanging match. I’ll bring the popcorn.
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Yonnie the increased Greenist trolling is mostly a response to Ken Stewart’s
Posts about the BOM’s weather station stuff ups.
The BOM uses it’s network of 700+ land based weather stations to underpin it’s claims about global warming.
And then Ken comes along and does a check of their stations to see if they meet the BOM’s own guidelines for generating accurate temperature readings.
So far just under 400 checked ( with 300 to go ) and the number of FAILS = 120+
And almost all of these have been non compliant for many years. And the Non Compliances ignored by BOM.
Big BOM WOOPS !
The temperature data generated by this BOM weather station network is thus NOT accurate and tainted by incompetence.
Nothing can be done by BOM about those stations and their inaccurate historic data. But I suspect that BOM has maybe quietly ‘appointed’ a couple of lower order hacks onto JoNova, to distract the readers here with long winded nonsense.
Bill
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Since it is glaringly obvious that the Bureau needs help urgently maybe we could take a cue from the Friends of the ABC and form a Friends of the BOM with Stewart and Marohasy as secretary and president.
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Oh come on – Stop attacking an organisation which has expertise and credibility enough to make it an equal on the world stage. If you are going to attack it, use some intellectual or scientific based argument. All I see is noddys.
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PF. LOOK.. use your eyes
If all those CRAP sites are a sign of expertise..
I can only imagine what “totally inept” would look like. (until I see your posts, anyway)
Sorry, but BOM does NOT have any credibility except in the AGW family.
The evidence is that a large proportion of their sites are basically A LOAD OF GARBAGE.
Given that, there is no way BOMs final analysis can be anything but junk-science.
All I see from PF, is wilful blindmess !!
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Kalm Keith I apologise. I became tired of the response quality. AndyG55 is probably a great guy, maybe even has a family – I was just messing with him for rampant meme recycling. If we had got onto extreme climate events I may have even agreed with him. But Kalm Keith don’t you think science has made some progress – weather forecasts have demonstrably improved. Pilots are grateful for aviation weather data.
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Yawn
blather, blather..
Poor Vishy.
Only one regurgitating a meaningless meme is you.
Weather forecasts out to, what, 3,4 days with any real accuracy, so long as nothing “different” happens.
And we are expected to gullibly swallow “climate” forecasts.
So funny. !
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Sigh – climate change projections aren’t forecasts. AndyG55 – just more so boring sceptic talking points. In terms of gullible you’ve swallowed every sceptic meme possible. At least try some level of discrimination. I do like your solar pulsing hypothesis though – I await the NAture paper.
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“climate change projections aren’t forecasts”
No, they are a load of meaningless anti-science BALONEY.
You have just shown you haven’t got even the most basic clue how El Ninos operate.
Solar pulse ? Poor fella has never heard of solar cycles.
Thinks TSI is the only solar variable. DOH !!!
Thinks El Ninos are powered by unicorn farts and “nothing”
BIZARRE to see someone so ignorant as Vishy is proving itself to be.
You are FAILING utterly, Vishy
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Err Vishnu if you look up the meaning of the word ” projection” , which you haven’t obviously ! , there are a variety of answers and one of them is ” a forecast” but I like the Cambridge dictionary for its definitions .
a calculation or guess about the future based on information that you have:
They also list “second guess” .
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Climate is changing now, its extremely serious and I’m surprised you cannot see it. Blocking highs and a meandering jet stream are global cooling signals.
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I have seen this statement over the last couple of months but no model which explains the how and why it is happening. You say it is a cooling signal, but that is after the fact. I would like to know why now, and how the conditions formed to make it happen
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A complex natural system
Which is not model- able Fitz !
Best go to bed & cry
For the loss of your precious
Bloody models !
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In the Austral winter of 2017 the subtropical ridge lost its intensity and blocking became the new normal. I don’t know what caused this to happen, but I’m positive it had nothing to do with a buildup of CO2.
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Correlation doesn’t prove causation, nevertheless the sun seems to be involved.
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The sun “seems” to be involved?
Enough of the borax! This is a science blog! It’s the Flying Spaghetti Monster with His Noodly Appendages fiddling around with all the klimate kontrol knobs – doncha know nuffink?
Quoted from somewhere in the multiverse: “in an effort to illustrate that correlation does not imply causation… Henderson presented the argument that ‘global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of pirates since the 1800s’… pointing out that Somalia has ‘the highest number of pirates and the lowest carbon emissions of any country'”. See? Science! R’amen!
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Sky Australia is a toxic mess, apart from a few progs in the evening. about an hour ago, they had one of their “reporters” interviewing RMIT’s ***Joe Siracusa about Trump impeachment. clearly, this guy was gung ho about the possibility; only disappointed the Dems didn’t go for it after the Mueller Report laid out – according to him – 9 roads to impeachment.
Joe and company:
20 Sept: Guardian: ‘We declare our support for Extinction Rebellion’: an open letter from Australia’s academics
Leading academics from around the country say it is their moral duty to rebel to ‘defend life itself’
The science is clear, the facts are incontrovertible. We are in the midst of the sixth mass extinction, with about 200 species becoming extinct each day. This includes many species of insects, some of which are essential to our food systems. Many people around the world have already died or been displaced from the effects of a rapidly warming climate. July 2019 was the Earth’s hottest on record. Arctic peat is burning and ice is melting at rates far beyond even the most radical scientific predictions. The Amazon is burning at an alarming rate. All are creating devastating feedback loops, releasing more CO2 and reducing the Earth’s heat reflecting capacities.
Humans cannot continue to violate the fundamental laws of nature or ignore the basic science with impunity. As oceans rise and temperatures soar, ecosystems will continue to collapse. As resources diminish, social unrest and civilisation collapse are likely. The most marginalised and vulnerable in society will be hit first and hit hardest. And If we continue on our current path, the future of our own species is bleak…
Australia’s current climate policies and practices are dire. Rather than making the urgent structural changes necessary for a sustainable and just transition toward zero emissions, the Australian government is continuing to prop up and expand coal and other CO2-emitting industries…
In addition, we call on all Australian universities and other major institutions to immediately divest funds from all fossil fuel and other industries which are contributing to the climate crisis, and to redirect investments urgently toward the renewable energy sector and other climate enhancing technologies.
We also recognise the crucial role First Nations people in Australia and across the globe, have played for tens of thousands of years, and continue to play, in maintaining species, and caring for the land, water and air. We therefore declare our support for the urgent establishment of a treaty with First Nation Australians, to recognise Indigenous sovereignty and to support Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities to continue protecting what they have already cared for, for so long.
Signed
***Prof Joseph M Siracusa, RMIT University…(AMONG 60 RMIT SIGNATORIES)
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2019/sep/20/we-declare-our-support-for-extinction-rebellion-an-open-letter-from-australias-academics
20 Sept: Guardian School climate strikes:
Hundreds of Australian academics declare support for climate rebellion
Open letter says the Australian government’s inaction on the climate crisis requires civil disobedience in response
• ‘We declare our support for Extinction Rebellion’: an open letter from Australia’s academics
• All you need to know about Friday’s protests
by Lisa Cox
More than 250 academics at Australian universities say the federal government’s inaction on the climate crisis requires civil disobedience in response and they feel a “moral duty” to rebel and “defend life itself”.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/sep/20/hundreds-of-australian-academics-declare-support-for-climate-rebellion
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I did a quick sample of these 250 academics.
Of 20 random names checked, not one was a scientist or engineer of any description
Social, humanities, law, diplomacy.. and other NON-sciences.
Just gullible activists who wouldn’t have a clue about climate except what they have been brain-washed with.
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Never let facts get in the way of a global tax grab public scare campaign.
Just ask Greta Thunderberg.
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I’ve just done 10 red thumbs for Fitz !
No time to read all his nonsense
I just want him to know he has no respect from me at all
He can go jump in a slimy frog pond
As far as I am concerned.
I haven’t done a red thumb count for Vishnu, Fitz’s trllling troll mate, yet.
But I certainly have done a lot.
You will find no converts here Vishnu.
Go back to BOM & tell them it’s a waste of their time & money
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I suspect they’re not looking for converts, Bill in Oz.
They’re looking for their Get-Up pay cheques.
When Fitz provides his evidence that supports the hypothesis that man-made CO2 is the prime driver of global warming and it will lead to catastrophe, I’ll accept he has something useful to say.
When Fitz provides the refutation to the IPCC’s view that “In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.” (IPCC. TAR Working Group 1. Chapter 14: Advancing Our Understanding, Section 14.2.2.2. Page 771 and Page 774), I’ll accept that he has something of value to add.
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Bill – sigh – typically nobody gets converted on these forums. I don’t want to convert you – you can only inform yourself if you wish to. But one can only expose some of the silly rationale. See look at your framing “Go back to BoM” – just seething with little conspiracy theories aren’t you. So you’re saying that it’s OK for your fellow travellers to dump all manner of abuse on us – years of it – publically proclaim silly ideas and not be up for a debate. At some point you could go a discussion and we can stop the heckle put-downs.
ALmsot conversely, and in the real world, society is getting more stupid and uninformed on climate change every day. So Jo’s blog is great at exposing much of the establishment silliness and asking hard questions. Extinction Rebellion for example – what a bunch of twits.
But I can’t understand why sceptics don’t do their own rolled gold Aussie climate change temperature analysis. Almost like you’re afraid to.
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“you can only inform yourself if you wish to”
Yet you remains stubbornly and belligerently UN-INFORMED
“society is getting more stupid and uninformed on climate change every day”
Yes you can see them turning to people like Greta, other know-nothing Hollywood stars.
As you are showing, those parts of society that you come from have become extremely and gullibly STUPID.
Australian climate analysis..
Warmer in the late 1890’s, proven by measurements
No warming except by Urban heat effects and shoddy surface stations and mal-adjustments., proven by looking at places that aren’t corrupted by those urban effect
No warming in Australia since at least 1996
Not much real change to analysis , is there Vishy.
“At some point you could go a discussion”
Stop pretending to yourself that you are doing anything but childish trolling.
You are only fooling yourself.
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No warming eh? – one problem – you haven’t told us why your pinup, the author of UAH, Roy Spencer, has said this conclusion is wrong.
“The UAH tropospheric temperatures and BOM surface temperatures in Australia are correlated, with similar variability (0.70 correlation).
Accounting for anomalous rainfall conditions increases the correlation to 0.80. The Tsfc trends have a slightly greater warming trend than the tropospheric temperatures, but the reasons for this are unclear. ” says Roy.
Roy has great sceptical credentials but he is not a fool. So AndyG55 here’s how this works – you make a assertion, I show you with references why your point of view is wrong, and your answer is lalalalah I’m not listening.
So talk to Roy and report back!
BTW Greta is irrelevant – if you’re revved up about that get a life.It’s just noise on the vine.
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Good grief !
Still blathering !
Go to bed !
You’r not worth reading any more
Your quality controlm systems are all shot !
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Bill remember my lecture on arrogance and ignorance, you appear to be displaying symptoms.
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Data is in front of you;
No warming since 1998 El Nino in Australia.
Just continue to be ignorant, to keep your agw meme happy.
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There you trolls from the left go again with your conspiracy theories, it’s fraud and incompetence.
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Vishnu sighs:
It’s not that hard Vishnu.
Just join with Fitz and find a way to refute the IPCC’s view that “In climate research and modelling, we should recognize that we are dealing with a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore that the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible.” (IPCC. TAR Working Group 1. Chapter 14: Advancing Our Understanding, Section 14.2.2.2. Page 771 and Page 774).
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No need to refute – is true. But your IPCC cited papers are not trying to produce a future weather forecast – that would be stupid.
But I think you’ve confused an initial conditions simulation problem with a boundary condition problem. However, the chaos is not unbounded (no runaway greenhouse) and one can sample the uncertainty with ensembles. I suggest you have not understood what you’ve read.
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“one can sample the uncertainty with ensembles”
You mean that bunch of erroneous garbage they call climate models.
You are delusional, Vishy !!
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Village idiocy level comment.
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Nonsense.
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Nonsense,Vishnu.
Perhaps you should re-read that section of the TAR and work on your comprehension.
The proof of its accuracy needs you to do no more than check the models’ inability to project future scenarios that align with empirical measurement.
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2015/11/models-vs-observations-plotting-a-conspiracy/
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I want a rolled gold
Publicly funded one you idiot
I’m a taxpayer
And I currently pays taxes
For the so very falliible and dopey BOM !
Sack the idiots there and
Get the BOM doing it’s job properly
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Yes that’s smart – sack them all and let aircraft have no aviation weather – let ships crash into cyclones. Pls add your address for the lawsuits that follow. Great thinking. And of course with your Hitler like management, all new employees will study hairdressing, So good luck finding applicants.
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FakeNewsMSM gets into the action:
4 Oct: CBS: Earth just experienced its hottest September ever recorded
by Sophie Lewis
Last month was 1.02 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the average September from 1981-2010 and about 1.2 degrees Fahrenheit above the preindustrial level, according to data released Friday by the Copernicus Climate Change Service, an organization that tracks global temperatures.
According to AFP, the organization is treating the two months as joint record-holders because the difference is negligible…
According to CBS News climate and weather contributor Jeff Berardelli, heat waves are more directly linked to climate change than any other weather phenomenon, because hot air masses “pool” extra warming, exacerbating the expansion and intensity of heat waves. “There is no doubt in the scientific community that heatwaves will continue to get worse in the future due to human-caused climate change,” Berardelli said…
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/earth-just-experienced-its-hottest-september-ever-recorded-2019-10-04/
4 Oct: Forbes: The Weather Facts Of Climate Change
by Jim Foerster
(Jim Foerster is one of just 198 Certified Consulting Meteorologists (CCM) in the world. CCMs are experts in the application of weather information to a host of practical challenges. He serves as Director of Meteorology Services for DTN, the largest business-to-business weather organization in the world where he and his team providing actionable weather forecasts and consulting services in the Aviation, Transportation, Marine, Energy, Agriculture and Safety markets)
Extreme weather events have been occurring more frequently than natural variability would suggest. Developing an awareness and understanding of drought, flooding, extreme temperatures, and intense storms can help reduce the prospect of disruptions to global businesses…READ ON
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jimfoerster/2019/10/04/the-weather-facts-of-climate-change/#5e54c425451d
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Oops, downthumbed in error (maybe due to australian eastern daylight saving commencement).
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“maybe due to Australian eastern daylight saving commencement”
Darn, more faded curtains! 😉
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And the cows… somebody please think of the cows!
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“Last month was 1.02 degrees Fahrenheit warmer than the average September from 1981-2010”
Interesting post of WUWT about the UAH reading for September.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/10/04/record-antarctic-stratospheric-warming-causes-sept-2019-global-temperature-update-confusion/
It was all to do with the Sudden Statospheric warming event over Antarctica, and how the thin atmosphere at altitude responded to it.
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4 Oct: HarvardPolitics: The Rise of U.S. Youth Climate Activism
By Janna Ramadan
Within youth-led organizations like Zero Hour, the U.S. Youth Climate Strike, and Sunrise Movement, youth climate activists are demanding change through marches, rallies, summits, and lobbying events. So far, much of their success can be seen in impressive event turnouts and ***increasing media attention…
http://harvardpolitics.com/united-states/youth-climate-activism/
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lol:
4 Oct: Uni of Vermont: Talking with Michael Mann
Famed scientist to speak on climate change denial in the age of Trump
by Joshua E. Brown
With the election of Donald Trump, denial of climate change has reached the highest level of U.S. government. “We’ve returned to the madhouse,” says pioneering climate scientist Michael Mann, Professor of Atmospheric Science at Penn State.
Mann will speak at the University of Vermont on Thursday, October 10, to address what this policy of denial means for today’s politics and the future. His talk will be held at Ira Allen Chapel, 4:30-5:30pm. The event is free and open to the public…
MANN: “And the youth climate movement is a positive development. We’re seeing powerful activism on the part of children and college students who recognize that they must become part of the discussion about policies that will determine what sort of world they will soon live in. So younger folks have seized the narrative and re-centered the larger public conversation where it needs to be: not just about science or politics or economics—but about our ethical obligation to not leave behind a degraded planet for future generations.”…READ ON
Michael Mann’s lecture is part of the Dan and Carole Burack President’s Distinguished Lecture series at the University of Vermont and is sponsored by the Department of Geology, with support from the Gund Institute for Environment, the Environmental Program, the Consulting Archeology Program, the Geography Department, and the College of Engineering and Mathematical Sciences.
https://www.uvm.edu/uvmnews/news/talking-michael-mann
4 Oct: CleanTechnica: Russia Signs Climate Accords & Putin Responds To Climate Change, But There’s A Catch
When even Russia starts to believe in climate change, the world really is coming to an end…
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/10/04/russia-signs-climate-accords-putin-responds-to-climate-change-but-theres-a-catch/
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Infamous science/data/history denier’s “event is free and open to the public…”
If AOC had stuck to her word and built that electric world-wide train set, I’d be there! Surely she’d install a line running from NZ to Vermont? Apart from a few minor obstacles, what’s the hold up? Maybe I could send Occasional-Cortex a kid’s blow-up plastic globe so she can get to grips with – I dunno – reality?
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5 Oct: MSN: REVEALED: How workers can SUE climate change protesters if they make them late for work – as Extinction Rebellion greenies vow to bring Australia to a standstill for a WEEK from Monday
by Stephen Johnson and Alison Bevege For Daily Mail
Workers could sue climate change protesters if they are late for work or suffer financially as a result of streets being blocked, legal experts say…
Employment lawyer Joydeep Hor said individual workers could ‘theoretically’ sue protesters for interrupting trade.
‘They would have to establish there has been some kind of interference with contractual relations or something like that,’ the founder and managing principal of People + Culture Strategies told Daily Mail Australia on Saturday.
‘It’s not unusual for employers to take action against unions and protesters when there are strikes.’
Queensland Law Society president Bill Potts said individual workers and companies could sue specific protesters, provided they could quantify the loss and prove there were no ways to mitigate it.
‘If someone causes a loss or a harm to somebody else, then they can be effectively sued for it,’ Mr Potts, a criminal law firm founder, told Daily Mail Australia.
‘In Queensland, we’ve had a number of people who have effectively caused significant delay and the question then is, “Can they be sued?” and the answer is yes in theory but in practice there are significant hurdles to overcome.
‘You actually have to show and quantify the amount of loss or damage you have actually suffered.’
Environmental protesters face being sued too if they interfere with emergency services and put people’s lives at risk…
Queensland Police have prepared for mass arrests of Extinction Rebellion protesters seeking to disrupt Brisbane’s city centre next week.
Acting Chief Superintendent Tony Fleming said police would use force if necessary.
‘If that is what is necessary to open up the city then that is what we will do,’ he told reporters on Friday…
The protest group is running training workshops for activists to prepare for the mass week of protests starting on October 7.
More than 8,100 people have registered on Facebook as ‘guests’ of the ‘International Rebellion Week’…
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/revealed-how-workers-can-sue-climate-change-protesters-if-they-make-them-late-for-work-as-extinction-rebellion-greenies-vow-to-bring-australia-to-a-standstill-for-a-week-from-monday/ar-AAIiZ2c
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Just perused the latest by V.
First there was I.
Then I.
Then PF.
Then the aircraft ME209.
Then the self declared person from the subcontinent, V.
There are limits and perhaps if the blog isn’t being destroyed, maybe it’s being hamstrung.
Welcome to the Inverse Conversation Episode 869c.
KK
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Was not trying to destroy your blog – your club. Just visiting a while. Hoping to get Ken Stewart to do an alternative analysis actually (no isn’t a trap, just he’s probably well set up to do it).
Vishnu is from Robert Oppenheimer and Hindu scripture.
Wasn’t
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http://joannenova.com.au/2019/10/australia-2019-was-not-the-hottest-summer-say-satellites-it-was-just-as-hot-in-1991/#comment-2199691
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Why drop garbage over the place.
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Very slimy Vishy. Lying like a naughty little 5 year old.
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‘Just visiting a while.’
Mate, if you hang around a little longer I’ll put on my lukewarm coat as a backup.
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Vishnu is a troll on more than one forum and like all trolls not very good with facts .
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Vishnu is a contrarian on this blog, where else does he hang out?
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Not sure if it’s the same Vishnu but there is one trolling a car forum and a couple of others , I googled the name and added troll .
Did similar for Michael262 and came up with a very protected person with the last name of Edwards .
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They are ordinary citizens and not fifth columnists.
Although there is the possibility that after we poked Misha in the eye with a burnt stick, we should expect some mild retribution.
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Correct. What would you like to know El Gordo. And just hanging around here as it’s more interesting.
And a bit lonely since the wide and family left, so you are the only friends I have. This explains https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmyaVtswpR4
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So Vishnu what is the difference between “projections” and “forecasts” in troll world ?
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Troll – that’s a bit harsh. Trolls don’t normally argue with evidence – they simply rev and cause chaos. Debating someone with very different opinions isn’t necessarily involving trolling. Trolls just scream at you like AndyG does. And give some discretion – e.g. evidence for change in extreme events is overstated (IPCC indirectly says so too), Greta is just silly, Extinction Rebellion are science-free twits, 4th gen nuclear is understated and the AGW story isn’t without some issues. But bradly I would argue it stacks up.
On forecasts – well you know what a weather forecast is – a statement about hot, wet, dry out to 10 days now with quite reasonable accuracy out to 3 days. After that time chaos nibbles away and all skill is lost.
Projections are not forecasts = nobody is suggesting that we can predict 10 November 2040 weather. Silly. What climate change models do is predict the band of climate you could expect under changing solar, greenhouse, aerosol pollution, sea ice and land use change conditions. From that band of climate statistics on number of hot days, cold days, heatwaves, cold air incursions, cyclone speeds, cyclone trajectories, drought frequency, extreme rainfall is calculated. They are broad statements about future
climate from given scenarios like how humanity will if at all try to limit greenhouse gas growth in the atmosphere. They are NOT forecasts.
Weather is said to be an “initial conditions” problem – to start the model running with the right temperature and pressure observations.
Climate change is “boundary condition” problem – what goal posts can future weather ping pong between.
Consider perhaps you are hydrologist and about to build a 100 year lifetime dam. Are you going to assume with everything science knows that your historical probability of extreme events calculations is right? Are you going to ignore any modelling on extreme events?
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“Drought means higher maximums”
There’s a reason for that…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2K1uHvfaek
And it’s the exact opposite of what warmist activist ideologues say it is.
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so, is this wrong now?
https://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/04/australia-surface-temperatures-compared-to-uah-satellite-data-over-the-last-40-years/
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