And the global pile-on against China gathers speed
Blistering
Julian Reichelt is editor-in-chief of the Bild, Germany’s largest paper. Their team calculated that China owed €149 billion to Germans for coronavirus damages. China’s embassy shot back that they reported everything according to WHO guidelines, that countries had time to prepare (for something “like the flu“, eh?) and that Bild was stirring up xenophobia and nationalism.
So Reichelt replied and addressed it to President Xi:
“You rule by surveillance. You wouldn’t be president without surveillance. You monitor everything, every citizen, but you refuse to monitor the diseased wet markets in your country. You shut down every newspaper and website that is critical of your rule, but not the stalls where bat soup is sold. You are not only monitoring your people, you are endangering them – and with them, the rest of the world.”
… “surveillance is a denial of freedom. And a nation that is not free, is not creative. A nation that is not innovative, does not invent anything. This is why you have made your country the world champion in intellectual property theft.
“China enriches itself with the inventions of others, instead of inventing on its own,” Reichelt wrote. “The reason China does not innovate and invent is that you don’t let the young people in your country think freely. China’s greatest export hit (that nobody wanted to have, but which has nevertheless gone around the world) is coronavirus.”
See ZeroHedge, which got banned from Twitter on this topic months ago (but was largely right and far ahead of the mainstream media).
If the Bat-soup from Wuhan turns out to be a Bat-Virus-Gift from Wuhan Labs, the international rock-tossing will be a magnitude more savage.
h/t Richard K
medical studies on Sars-Cov-2; Dr. Fauci takes a major position
https://balance10.blogspot.com/2020/04/dr-anthony-fauci-warned-such-trump.html
20
Germany, via Bild, again demonstrates intemperance that is unlikely to have positive effect. Heck, I could write a stronger condemnation than Reichelt did, but both must be ignored because they are no more than rehashes of the words and work of people better informed. A form of virtue signalling, from Germany, a country with compromised national virtue. No, from what I have read, I do not think highly of the Chinese politics. Geoff S
86
We fed the cute little kitten and knew full well it would turn into a tiger. It was our GREED that got us into this mess!
Does anyone think that this greed has abated or those responsible for it will be replaced by sensible management?
China acted like …….. China, a communist dictatorship. We acted like it did not matter as long as we made MORE MONEY!
We sold our souls to the devil and now we want retributions?
120
Geoff, somebody sold our souls but it was behind our backs.
Of course there were some cases where you couldn’t help but notice, but mostly it was hidden.
The most obvious recent victims are the farmers who bought prime land on riverfront or with good access to water only to find that control measures higher upriver took a large part of their supply.
Adding insult to injury is the sale of water rights to Chinese interests who got first access, plus the Green split to the “Vironment” lower down and it seems that the locals were deliberately eschat upon big time.
After that, what incentive would you have for “having a go” at anything in Australia. We don’t need a clean out of politics and administrators, we need a Giant Enema.
Change isn’t easy, look at S.A. where the incumbent Renewables were voted out and the clean up gang came in and brought more windmills or such with them; Crazy.
KK
100
I doubt that Germany will ever get the $140 billion it wants.
There are too many other nations in the same queue:
Iran, Italy, Spain, France, The UK, the USA, Belgium etc etc etc
An acknowledgement by China of it’s guilt would set all of the others on it’s tail.
And thus bankrupt China and plunge it’s people into poverty.
That should not happen.
So an other way to make the future better, more secure must be found.
An idea in my head is to do what was done in the 1970’s to South Africa
For it’s Apartheid regime.
No sporting contacts or recognition.
No trade agreements or capital flows allowed.
etc
The aim of such program ?
nothing more than the establishment of
A freely elected democratic national government
In China.
33
Have you looked at all deeply into the state South Africa is in now?
It’s not a pretty sight.
121
Yes, but before that was Rhodesia which actually had well educated Africans in the public service, in the judiciary, in the army and in parliament. They were a rich country with no one starving. That [Snip]Fraser in Australia and other stupid leaders allowed that marxist dictator Mugabe to take over the country drive out white farmers and businessmen and drive the country into poverty with maybe a million dying of starvation and lack of health care. Forty years after the end of the “revolution” the country is still in poverty. South Africa has taken a bit longer but with farmers being killed and businessmen being forced out, a situation like Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) is not far away.
[ Sorry can’t say that .]AD
60
Yes I have. Not pretty.
But better to have a freely elected democratic government
Than what happened before.
The same is true for China.
A freely elected democratic government would be far better.
Or do you prefer the Communist Party dictatorship ?
20
I’ve heard India is also putting the hand out for losses incurred .
40
India has an intelligent population and almost as many people as China. It has problems with bureaucracy and poverty for sure, but I hope it will take advantage of China’s current popularity ratings to move up in the world. Maybe their time has come if they can make a move.
20
China is rejecting any investigation. So the chances of them coughing up any compensation is zero. The world needs to get tougher on the Chinese government. It’s perhaps soon time to treat them as a rouge state, just like North Korea. Sure the rest of the world will have to suffer some pain but we can all work around it and treat China like a naughty child and put them into a corner until they behave.
41
They will never behave as their ideology is the opposite to democracy, and while were at it now would be a good time to highlight how much of a joke China thought of the Paris agreement and went gangbusters on coal and making steel and then bring into question why emission reductions are necessary.
I mean if the amount of scepticism and effort into researching the Covid-19 story was applied to the failed hypothesis of Climate Change (CAGW) that also would be dropped like a hot coal and stopped faster than a bad check.
131
“Phantom From 10,000 Leagues-1955. “An unusual radioactive rock on the sea bottom mutates the ocean life into a horrible monster”…GosH!
From: https://youtu.be/Ar3zmZL9X9k?t=438
“The Phantom from 10,000 Leagues (1955) Horror, Sci-Fi Full Length Movie”
…
Re: a day in the life…fact checking from the 60’s in fine subjective detail…
01
“You can’t go swimming ” (22:33) https://youtu.be/Ar3zmZL9X9k?t=1338
01
Perhaps the world will come to understand that the cost of doing business with China is far more than its price. China is so dependent on exports for cash to reinforce it’s authoritarian regime, loosing a significant fraction of this cash will likely result in loosing control of its people which could incite a revolution with the goal of removing Xi and the Communists from power.
Should this start, Ill bet that in an vain attempt to stay in power, Xi will likely do something so horrendous to his citizens, it will make Tienanmen square look like a picnic and further galvanize the world and the Chinese people against his regime accelerating the inevitable collapse of Communism.
One can only hope …
10
Wow…talk about the pot calling the kettle black… So now ‘gain of function’ research is a free for all. If gain of function testing were illegal again, then perhaps there are some who would have a leg to stand on.
From: https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-017-08837-7
“The US government has lifted its controversial ban on funding experiments that make certain pathogens more deadly or transmissible. On 19 December, the National Institutes of Health (NIH) announced that scientists can once again use federal money to conduct ‘gain-of-function’ research on pathogens such as influenza viruses. But the agency also said that researchers’ grant applications will undergo greater scrutiny than in the past.”
41
I noticed the “blame china for the virus” drumbeat was getting louder and becoming global…..
42
That’s where most, if not all, of the influenza viruses come from. Always have. So what else is new?
They are brewed up in the duck/pig/people agricultural whizz. From memory, this is the first time a bat has featured in the prime spot.
40
“Covid-19 Myth and Legend ” says it was “
stolenmisappropriatedah … sourced” from a Canadian lab.Why isn’t Canada attracting some of the scorn?
It doesn’t matter who did what and who is up who and who isn’t paying. It’s here. It’s killing people. Let’s deal with it.
First.
Now.
There’s no point in throwing buckets of blame around. If we persist with that, we will be finding out just how damned uncomfortable a decade long nuclear winter will be before the new decade even begins. We all have to deal with this virus first.
Then there are other more important questions to work out: like how to restart the national economies again; and the global one. We have to work out and embed working practices to keep this disease away. There’s two, there are more …
So let’s get on with it.
On a different note: has anybody noticed that the city atmospheres diesel vehicles were supposedly destroying just haven’t noticed the absence of diesel vehicles? Did the Greens get it Wrong Yet Again?
31
Actually, it’s not just diesel vehicles, it’s all motorised vehicles.
11
Gone, not there, diesel and petrol, just not “exhausting.” EVs will not effect any cure, especially since the real true cause is unknown.
11
“Why isn’t Canada attracting some of the scorn?”
I’ve read that diverse, globalist Canada was responsible for letting Pakistani researchers access to the details of A-bomb construction.
00
This whole debacle is bat soup crazy, reading about China’s history with viruses originating from bats, birds, pigs anythings possible.
The thing that keeps nagging me is how angry the CCP was with Trump because he was the first world leader in years to actually stand up to them over their amazing freedoms given by other countries to manufacture everything they needed, and only now people are thinking maybe it wasn’t such a good idea!
Perhaps their anger manifested into a plan of crashing economies and solidifying their position of global provider while continuing with belt and road debt burden take overs?
I suspect like bat soup its something best served cold.
91
Well….as per my previous comments about what appears to be USA war preps, including calling up 1,000,000 military reservists and putting command structures in bunkers.
https://news-communique.com/index.php/2020/03/28/u-s-military-command-teams-charged-with-us-homeland-defense-moves-into-cheyenne-mountain-bunker-until-chinese-virus-pandemic-passes/
I wondered whether this move could be dual purpose…or hiding the real intention.
This is the sanitized version
https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-inside-militarys-top-secret-plans-if-coronavirus-cripples-government-1492878
This asks a few more uncomfortable questions
https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/top-news/truth-about-united-states-continuity-government-plans-coronavirus-perfect-storm/
41
Yeah right…bat soup like straight from one of several ‘gain of function’ virus labs around the world. Gotto say, China is not the only country hosting laboratories performing the task of making virus’s more transmissible and deadly under the umbrella of performing gain of function research.
21
Focusing on bats in wet markets is a sign of bad journalism. I am prepared to be wrong here, but I believe that the bats that are for sale for food at the markets are fruitbats, in the Megachiroptera, are large and eat fruit and are not that closely related to the horseshoe bats from which the corona virus came. Fruitbats are the bats that figure in the pictures we see or gruesome looking roasted things in wet markets. I think if horseshoe bats were roasted the journalists would have to put their cameras on closeup mode to get any pictures at all as the fried cadavers would be so small. The horseshoe bats are tiny, are in the Microchiroptera, are echolocating and live in caves and eat insects, and I doubt very much that they are eaten for food. I could be wrong here. Also there is quite some controversy as to the taxonomy of bats in general and there are a number of theories as to how the group should be classified, including one opinion that fuitbats should be classed closer to primates, and Microchiroptera elsewhere.
I think the Chinese should answer for what has happened, but I am not so sure the Chinese will care what the west does or says in its courts. It does nothing for the credibility of the claim against the Chinese to use inaccurate information about bats and wet markets. There is NO doubt that research on genetically altering the corona virus of horseshoe bats to make them possibly more lethal to humans has been happening at the lab at Wuhan. That is what that lab is for, and that type of research should not be happening anywhere, regardless of wether or not the Cov-19 escaped from or was released on purpose from the lab.
131
If anyone has written about bats in the market then that is an error or you misread ort misheard. The virus is transmitted via an intermediary as was the case with SARS and other bat borne viruses.
Check out this quite well studied example https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henipavirus look for hendra and horses.
30
I put this up some time ago. It’s chronologically about half-way between SARS1 and C19.
Perhaps you should read it.
https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
10
So Ian you had an idea this was coming
Back in 2016 ?
But the micro bat hosts are not the bays which are eaten by the Chinese.
They eat the big fruit bat types..
So the only logical route for this Wuhan Virus
To get into a human population
Is via a research laboratory
Such as they had in Wuhan
And whiuch was ordered to destroy all specimens
In January by the CCP.
Thanks for that !
11
Gee Aye, I was referring to the following phrase by Reichelt in “Bildt” which Jo posted. … “You shut down every newspaper and website that is critical of your rule, but not the stalls where bat soup is sold. ” And also Jo referred to bat soup at the end. It is extremely unlikely that eating fruitbats from market stalls had anything to do with the Corona virus outbreak. I know about fruit bats as amplifiers for Hendra, Ive got horses, and I have lived in fruit bat areas, so I admit it is possible that fruit bats could cause a problem in theory at some time, but it was not this time, and it is missing the point for Reichelt to refer to market bats, instead of military virus research, in his article.
00
microbat viruses come to us via marketable animals. refer to SARS and MERS.
00
But the Megachiroptera ,also are hosts to deadly viral diseases.
This we know from the deaths of people to Hendra virus etc
10
What a great idea, lets take a break from the task of getting random testing for antibodies to ascertain some true percentages and instead do something constructive like, politicizing and polarizing…
25
Gosh, if we are lucky, we can go back to the dark ages and manufacture everything we were not financially inspired to produce ourselves, with little or no help from those who live in the geographical location of China on the globe. Bits of wire formed into a paper clip…sure…lets start by learning how to make paper clips.
22
Best case scenario…somehow, ask the Chinese paper clip manufacturers to show us how to make paper clips.
12
Jo…can you do a thread on manufacturing of paperclips//
11
Jo…can you do a thread on manufacturing of paperclips
01
Now only Firefox could stuff up a post as well as that.
Now back on Vivaldi (chrome core.)
01
Sure…while you are complaining, Jo as well as yourself, you could teach us all collectively how to grow chrome plated steel in our spare time.
01
Many of us do not know how to grow chinese paper clip steel. To make paperclips. If you get time whilst posting about china etc, let us know or paper clips will be a thing of the past.,..
01
jo has the technology of paperclip research under control and they will be a thing of the past among other politicized pursuits. Glad we do not have to go back to these rudimentary manufacturing processes of paper clips again….phew!
01
When i was a lad…all we had was hairpin research…and even that was hi tek.
01
Chrome?
Wouldn’t it be tin?
And then there’s the secret ingredient in tin plating, I think..
It’s been 48 years, but I’m sure it was tin.
KK
01
Could have been Rin Tin Tin…
From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_nclUG-0SQ
“The Adventures of Rin Tin Tin S02E07 Rin Tin Tin Meets Mister President” 🙂 (some preferred Lock-down favorite B&W resources..)
01
Chrome is a bit expensive for paperclips but the pre coating procedure for tin plating involved an arsenic bath.
And where that went is another story.
Tin Tin, wasn’t he French?
🙂
10
A dangerous chemical As has been immoderate.
01
My respects for those great Arsenic bath operators of our time on the front line of paper clip manufacturing wherever they may be!
00
Definitely “Tin Tin” was french. Evidently, Rin Tin Tin might be a kind of pan cultural phenomena or a derivative somewhat. Interesting point.
From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rin_Tin_Tin
“The Rin Tin Tin bloodline dogs are also trained as service dogs to provide assistance to special needs children.”
01
Take a smaller city. Test all. You will have an answer, if there was an outbreak at that place. Then do this at more places and in several countries. Then add some major places like NY. We will have a good idea.
Today I saw some 40% infected on public transports, and almost the rest at home, by other family members or friends.
Why not just stop those transports, force people to live on the streets, we should have no infections. /end sarc/
11
If this virus had originated in the USA
The USA would be getting threatened by China with trade bans etc,compensation for damages etc no doubt .
Also other countries in the world would demand action .
Even States of USA would be suing the President and govt.
It would be a lawyers paradise , even by skype .
40
Personally I do not care much fot this Reichert address to President Xi.
It is rude, arrogant, inflammatory and without evidence.
GeoffW
28
It seemed accurate criticism of China to me. The Chinese Government spy upon their citizens and run ‘re-education’ camps for those caught publicly disagreeing with the official doctrine. They pretended COVID 19 was nothing to worry about. Their manufacturing model is based upon waiting for the West to develop a popular product, then copy it in their sweat-shop factories. Young people in China, are made to shut up and obey the authorities. No new ideas or open discussion is allowed – a bit like out universities!
I would say Julian Reichelt nailed it with dry precision.
32
‘and obey the authorities’ isn’t that what we are expected to do here in Australia ?
It’s called maintaing law and order . . .
GeoffW
20
According to you Geoffrey, China does not manipulate its currency for advantage.
12
I have not mentioned currency . . .
What have you been smoking ?!
GeoffW
21
For anyone who hasn’t already read the blog at ‘Harvard to the Big House’ I’d recommend it as a very compelling and detailed account of what we do know about the origins of Covid-19, and the guy doing the research and writing painstakingly avoids ‘conspiracy’ without detracting from the seriousness of the situation. An easier access to this work is also possible by searching for the blog name in YouTube where you’ll find a guy giving you a great summary of it whilst riding home from work on his bike.
I am still enraged by the complacency of all concerned from WHO through every darned country that has failed to prepare properly and that is why I believe the ‘blame game’ is still a rather dangerous one to play. Look at your politicians and ask if they are fit for purpose and if not, why not. Today I have heard the explanation of tested low levels of immunity from WHO albeit on small samples whilst, at the same time, listening to a podcast featuring a Cambridge virologists who is at great pains to point out what we don’t know of SARS-CoV-2 because we simply do not have adequate and fit for purpose testing regimes in the UK. And, it would seem, the UK is not alone in this.
I wonder how many more iterations of outbreaks it will take to truly know this virus. All of me wants it to be a ‘bad influenza’ with typical immunity, but some of the blog I referred to above paints a much more disastrous outcome from this epidemic if immunity has been compromised by design. I am holding onto my optimism and open mind and hoping that by the end of the UK Spring the questions that need answers will have them.
30
An interesting article here :-
https://www.pnas.org/content/early/2020/04/07/2004999117
& PDF :-
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2020/04/07/2004999117.full.pdf
Regards
[ Very interesting indeed Gerald, could you please in future put a brief comment in about what is in a link otherwise most will not bother to check .]AD
20
Conspiracy or coincidence ?
The Chinese government tried hard to cover up the outbreak for many weeks rather than the do logical opposite. Then the WHO communicated to the world that the virus wasn’t so bad and to keep Chinese borders open. Once the virus started spreading, Chinese companies overseas bought up all the PP medical supplies and sent them home to China, who are now selling them back to the rest of the world for a profit. As the rest of the world battles the virus, the Chinese will now supply the majority of medical products and make a whole pile of cash. By the time the virus passes, the rest of the world will becomes vastly poorer and rely on Chinese financial support in ever growing amounts until dependence is secured.
This virus follows the climate change scare. A scenario where the country that generates 1/3 of all emissions was completely off the hook to make any emissions cuts and using enormous amounts of fossil fuels, sold expensive RE products almost exclusively to it’s ideologically opposed western countries, that purchased them in ever increasing quantities, providing a massive wealth transfer to China, whilst making western countries poorer and ultimately reliant on China for their energy supplies. Climate change was working out well for China as a means for gaining total global control, until along came Trump and pulled the climate rug out from beneath their feet. And just when it looked like another 4 years of Trump and a resurrection of the USA as the global superpower, along comes the virus…
130
I would guess that the next generation of computer aided design might make the design process so efficient that small volume production will be almost as cheap as mass production. China’s economy is built upon mass production of other people’s designs. Maybe the next manufacturing revolution will be affordable customised products made to the buyers exact preferences and manufactured on efficient 3D printers and CNC machines. That will be a job for creative, inventive people.
20
There is a big problem with trying to get China to make reparations for laxity on their behalf.
China announced Human to Human transmission on January the 20th. Hubei province was locked down on the 23rd and by the end of the week 56 million Chinese were effectively quarantined. At that point all flights from China should have been shut down and any people arriving in Australia should have been quarantined. The first Australian case was a man who had travelled from Wuhan on January the 25th in fact all of the first 10 cases were people arriving from Wuhan. We kept letting them come in. On January 31st that OzGov announced that all foreign nationals arriving from Wuhan had to spend 2 weeks quarantine in another country. It was not until March 19th that the borders were closed.
The only person that was raising the alarm was our Jo Nova. That was in early February. If anyone had listened to her when she brought the seriousness of this to our attention then we would probably not be in the predicament we are now. We may have even escaped it all together.
So The Germans and Marissa Payne can shove it. You cannot successfully sue the CCP for our tardiness, a shame I know but that is the gist of it. Different story when it comes to the WHO however and Jo had highlighted their false declarations early on. By all means cut their funding but please wait until the crisis is over. Also Tedros whatshisname needs to go. An investigation into the links between him and the CCP is necessary IMO.
I am keeping a close eye on what the CCP is saying. At the moment they are holding a measured tone against Australia their main tactic seems to be portraying us as a lapdog for the USA. It looks like at this stage they are still wanting to have close ties with Australia when this is over. We may be able use this to our advantage when GD2 hits. China after all was instrumental in making Australia the only country to avoid recession for 3 decades. I do not think the CCP should be in power in 2050. I fear we would all be oppressed and speaking Mandarin by 2099 if that is the case.
At some point push needs to come to shove. I think that shove can best be served by getting Taiwan admitted to the UN, providing the Taiwanese want that. That would cause a loss of face by the CCP in the eyes of its people and then all that we have to do is facilitate the revolution that will follow. Can we do this ? Maybe but we need to try and avoid WW3 in the process.
We live in interesting times. This will be written about in the history books for the remainder of this round of human civilisation. I hope I live long enough to see how this plays out but the again maybe that might not be be a good thing.
71
CCP China is on the UN security council
And thus has a blocking vote
Under UN rules.
Unfortunately
🙁
01
Polish doctors are starting plasma therapy from people who have recovered from Covid-19 next week. 600 ml of plasma can be taken from one person at a time. One 200 ml dose is enough for therapy. Plasma alone (without whole blood) can be collected every two weeks. To collect plasma, you must wait two weeks after the last negative CoV-2 test.
20
When a potential source of money is available, it’s human nature to consider a way of getting a share. Thus, much like countries demanding reparations from developed nations for damage done by anthropogenic global warming, it comes as no surprise to me that countries are starting to demand reparations from China for damages done by COVID-19. I’m not, repeat not, commenting on the validity of the demands; I’m only commenting on their inevitability. IMO the probability those demands will come to fruition is nil.
10
He is right on the money when he says freedom to think about possibilities is the key thing. My own career benefited from my boss’ willingness to listen to a better proposal from me than the assignment he originally gave me. But of course there’s a danger in being the thinker. I got myself a reputation that was hard to live up to afterward.
30
Jo, I wrote the document myself using the source material referenced. took a few hours!
00
The disinformation campaign by China, Russia and Iran is now well identified (1) . This is classic neo-marxist postmodern asymmetric information warfare designed to undermine the western epistemological paradigm. Social media acts to legitimise and force multiply this form of radical, destabilising, asymmetric disinformation.
Morrison demonstrates his lack of intellect and totalitarian impulses when supporting mandatory WHO intervention. An epidemiological reconnaissance was recommended in 2010 at the WHO as a means of following through on the terms of the IHR’s referenced above. It is China who has refused to complete the reconnaissance despite being provided with ample evidence of the latent potentialities of its naturally endemic biological materials. It’s time the world asked why China is so resistant to such a standard reconnaissance? Until China agrees to more than accede to the relevant biological treaties, it should be isolated in the same way Russia was during the cold war era. Its clear the Chinese can no longer be trusted to manage their biological materials.
The wicked irony of Chinese flunkies heading the WHO whilst this pandemic occurs seems to be lost on many supposedly intelligent observers. Most notably the entrenched leftist, globalist elitist snobs of my beloved Geneva. The spirit of the great Hans Rosling’s Factfulness seems to have taken a back seat to the totalitarian soft power imperatives of the Chinese Communist Party. The sooner this diseased thinking is ameliorated at the WHO, the better.
(1) https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-adversaries-are-accelerating-coordinating-coronavirus-disinformation-report-says-11587514724
00