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Hi all,
I was hoping for an open thread this weekend to post this, but, as there has not been one yet I am using this thread.
I have been contemplating whether or not to raise this for a while, so here goes.
Some or all of you may be aware of this but I think it is important to post in case you are not.
If you are like me you would have spent the majority of you adult life knowing there was something terribly wrong with the world and that things were not as you were told. The fact that you participate in this blog is evidence of that.
I discovered this in mid 2018 and was immediately heartened and hopeful that, finally, there was some hope for the future.
I am not religious but I now have faith that good will triumph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVeDKuHPDK8
This second link will hopefully give you some (further?) understanding of what the US President and his team are fighting against. Make no mistake, there is evil in the world and it is currently in charge everywhere.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQc9s8JDVck
There is a ton of evidence to support both links, if you are willing to see it.
I hope this helps, at least some of you, to understand.
My best to you all.
Scott
[Happy to help Scott, moved from previous thread – Jo]
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Tells it as it is but Trump is not our Saviour simply because he’s just one man, and he won’t be current President forever. If anyone believes the next Presidents will be as good as Trump must have their heads in the sand. The evil ones will not give up and are far from being beaten. If anything, they are gaining more and more control but most people are blind to it. The current pandemic crisis will be used to their advantage, regardless of whether they had a direct hand in it or not (probably not). There is only one hope; Christ Jesus our Saviour will return to set things right once and for all and throw the evil ones into the Lake of Fire. It’s the only way. As it is written by the Word of God it will be done.
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Hi PeterS,
Trump is not the movement. This has been planned for many years and Military Intelligence is behind it. The President is the face to the public. Much more to it than just him but the Deep State need to remove him to regain the levers of the Presidency.
They will prevail, and soon the world will know.
People of good will are going to win.
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No matter how much good will comes about form mankind there will be more than enough ill will to overcome it. It’s been that way since year dot. There is only one way to defeat evil as I explained.
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Sure nice to see the pollution drop away over the last few weeks.
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You are still commenting.!
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The green/left are saying this is what life will be like when fossil fuels disappear, a strange chortling noise is also audible.
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“The green/left are saying this is what life will be like when fossil fuels disappear”
Yep, pretty funny that they would want to advertise that point, isn’t it.
Except we would be locked at home, with no electricity for a lot of the time.
Wouldn’t that be fun.
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https://waqi.info/#/c/-32.959/151.402/9.7z
Find the local ones with a year’s data showing (hover over a tag)
Pretty similar to this time last year
Many places in China have far similar or WORSE pollution that this time last year.
Seems Peter is working with non-data, as usual.
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so this is false?
Economic lockdown causes strong reduction in air pollution globally – SMH
or
The Pandemic Is Turning the Natural World Upside Down – The Atlantic
or
Coronavirus: lockdown’s effect on air pollution provides rare glimpse of low-carbon future – air quality news
Many places in China were not shut down.
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Ah! The two faces of Peter F on the same comment stream. 🙂
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More than 2
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Ah.. so you are actually a group of equally ignorant AGW cultists.
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OMG Peter Fitzroy is mutating and spreading like a virus!
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More than 3
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The only way he can get a consensus for his innate wrongfulness.
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Errm…how do you get away with that? I thought blog rules precluded different identities? Despite same name you must be using different email addresses, so differing identities re blog.
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@PeterC It’s the novelPF-20-virus.
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Data vs propaganda newspaper articles, hey Peter….. Very funny . 😉
“provides rare glimpse of low-carbon future”
Carbon dioxide is not pollution, so whoever wrote that is as nil-informed as you are.
A low carbon future can only exist on the MASSIVE manufacturing of solar panels and wind turbines
Then you are talking REAL pollution, some of the most toxic compounds around, and the horrendous POLLUTION from mining and refining those rare earth minerals.
You should plead the fifth, so you don’t always incriminate yourself by exposing your ingnorance.
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Low carbon future = no economy.
Mud huts and early death, disease and short brutal life.
Um….no thanks….
The lefty greenies love it, but Im convinced they arent quite right in the grey matter…
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Low carbon = low life.
Carbon based life forms protest this blatant example of hate -speech.
Not only that ; it’s racist.
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Their behaviour is obviously CarboPhobic and should be condemned outright.
There’s too much angst in this media driven world already and an unthinking, uncritical tolerance of CarboPhobia simply should not be accepted.
KK
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“You should plead the fifth’
This one?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_(unit)
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Karbon Double Oxide has nothing to do with pollution.
Porrution ;
SO2, NO2, SiO2 particulate, particulate C, H2S and Arsenic which the NSW state government curiously overlooked recently in Newcastle harbour.
Grow a pair.
It’s always useful to have a functional left and right hemisphere, and even better if they are linked.
Sorry, I can’t provide a link.
KK
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Wow.
I’m in the top five territory again and have been immoderate.
Marked for life.
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If it is a glimpse, its a low carbon future with a still increasing CO2 level !
https://www.co2.earth/daily-co2
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Look I’m sorry, but if you haven’t been on facebook and listed the half-dozen or more auto-immune diseases that you are suffering from, chosen from the list of scores of such diseases, available now on facebook, then you really are not in a position to comment on anything at all.
You really need to get yourself some gravitas, otherwise everyone is going to be laughing at you.
You do realise that the lockdown of all healthy people is imperative if all those with auto-immune diseases are to be treated as equals.
We are all in this together .
I trust you enjoyed the “concert” . It was certainly a concerted effort.
One world together , was it?
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Further evidence reducing ‘pollution’ does not alter weather aka climate.
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Also, the lower average temperatures that we are experiencing this year, started before the conavirus shut downs and pollution reducing activity started.
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And our coal fired power stations are operating unabated. Interesting!!!
Cheers
Dave B
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The odd thing is (well, I really expected it) that the percentage of supply from coal fired power has actually risen, by a couple of percent. It’s not that there’s more coming from coal fired power, as it’s around the same as it usually is at this time of the year, with Units off line for scheduled maintenance in the lead up to the Winter requirement. There’s less from natural gas fired power, and less from hydro power, with wind and solar doing what they usually do, providing very little, I mean what else can you realistically call 10% on a good day, not enough to actually do anything, and it’s up and down as well.
Overall power consumption is slightly lower with a lot less power being consumed in the Commerce and Industrial sectors, hence the normal supply from coal fired power means a slightly higher percentage of supply.
Tony.
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“I mean what else can you realistically call 10% on a good day,”
Love it Tony, just the facts. I just love the truth, and you have hit it right on the head.
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Just which Peter Fitzroy are we listening to now?
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reminds me of that movie, Dumb and Dumber..
just add dumbest. !
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Yes, it was interesting to see the water around Venice a nice blue for a change.
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Honestly in Hobart I’m not seeing or feeling any difference.
Perhaps you’re living in a more congested area, but I doubt the price in lives and poverty is worth the change you tell me you’re seeing.
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I can’t see a difference in my neck of the woods, Peter. It’s still clear skies and pleasant Autumn weather.
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Hi Jo
I saw an interesting news item this morning. Apparently due to the shutdown of the ethanol industry in the US there will be a 30% shortfall in the amount of CO2 produced for products such as beer, soft drinks, refrigeration, meat fruit and veg preservation etc.
Who would have thought we would be talking about a shortage of CO2? Can’t live with it, can’t live without it apparently.
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From the Compressed Gas Association 🙂 :
https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloesorvino/2020/04/17/coronavirus-to-burst-another-bubble-carbonation-shortage-threatens-seltzer-beer-and-soda/#2e80eac702a0
That certainly got my attention. No CO2 = no beer.
Does that mean Corona too?
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There is no beer in Bud Light Seltzer.
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I didn’t know that some beers dope with CO2 instead of relying on the fermentation process. The naturally brewed beers will need to step up production
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Forty odd years ago at Abbotsford brewery I worked in the cellars as gas man for a couple of months with a principal role of testing the carbon dioxide level of the beer prior to it being sent to bottling; from time to time a brew would be “pumped up” because it tested below the threshhold.
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I guess it is about a consistent product. remember coke 2.0
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Jo,
Try misspelling your URL as just josnnenova.com a common mistake in the states. Some SOB has stolen your name and is using it against you. I think it may be the state of California.
The domain is for sale so the current user is not only using your name without permission but technically trespassing.
If you could buy that domain you could redirect it to the right place.
Roy
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For anyone who wants to try it.
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Belongs with comment 5. How do I lose the reply status and become an independent comment?
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I have not gotten anything right all day and certainly fouled up this last mess which should have been simple and easy.
I need a couple of shots of Cutty Sark on one ice cube and a kick in the butt.
Doggone it, my taste for quality is way beyond my budget
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Roy, somebody mentioned Gin, Blue Sapphire, a few days ago, I tried it. The bottle’s now empty.
I now need to try Curry Sark.
KK. 🙂
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Cutty
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Never been a gin man myself except if someone offers me a mixed drink with gin in it.
I never liked plain scotch but the blended stuff can be really smooth going down. My wife and I keep a bottle of Southern Comfort around to put in eggnog at Christmas. You should give that one a try sometime.
Anyway, one day I was killing time in an airport bar and there was a bottle o Cutty in the shelf behind the the bar and the ship on the label caught my attention. I pondered what I would get if I ordered it but decided to try it. I ordered it my usual way on one ice cube and it was an instant hit…goes down as smooth a silk. Expensive stuff though.
Why one ice cube you might ask. Simple, keeps what I’m enjoying from being diluted with water too fast and still keeps my drink cold.
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That link is now blocked Roy.
Good sleuthing tho’
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Funny that it’s blocked because I was there just before posting the comment about it and it worked. I can still reach it from here. I guess they may have restricted access to stateside users.
Cheaters will go to the lowest measures to counter someone telling the truth.
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Link wouldn’t open Roy but I tried the word but don’t speak what looks to be Spanish .
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What exactly did you try?
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As you’ve spelled it ! I’ll have a go at variations though .
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I tried it exactly as I would attempt to get to Jo’s site and included the s instead of an a and I get told it doesn’t exist.
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It needs the .au at the end. Its an Australian domain name..
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Are you sure that’s the correct link, Roy ?.. says “www.joanenova.com”
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Alright lets try that. But Jo’s URL is without the leading WWW.
http://www.joannenova.com
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I get someone with a similar name Roy but no luck finding a site for sale , have tried a few variations.
It’s amazing how embedded this site is though through the various searches which is good to see .
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Roy’s link is confused.
The “for sale” domain site would be http://www.joannenova.com
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That link does go to a warmist site for sure , thanks Andy .
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WWF have hijacked the brand.
That says it all.
They have no integrity.
Typical green slimeballs.
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The Privacy link gives details for some mob in Germany.
But says that they do not own the site http://www.joannenova.com
They are just advertising it for sale
Shonky stuff !
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Not at all Andy. Nothing is confused. From here right now I can get to it with joannenova.com. I have used joannenova.com.au for years to get to this blog. putting the www. on it also works but at least the domain name servers used by Frontier don’t require it.
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Your link goes to
“http://joannenova.com.au/2020/04/weekend-unthreaded-307/www.joannenova.com”
That is a confused link.
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joannenova.com is an American domain name. It’s a domain squatter hoping to make some money.
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If you search the domain name registry for that domain, you can find out name and address of the owner. Whois query on joannenova.com gives:
Domain Name: JOANNENOVA.COM
Registry Domain ID: 1566923681_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.rrpproxy.net
Registrar URL: http://www.key-systems.net
Updated Date: 2019-02-12T11:12:28Z
Creation Date: 2009-08-26T11:06:42Z
Registry Expiry Date: 2020-08-26T11:06:42Z
Registrar: Key-Systems GmbH
Registrar IANA ID: 269
Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@key-systems.net
Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +49.68949396850
Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
Name Server: NS1.PARKINGCREW.NET
Name Server: NS2.PARKINGCREW.NET
DNSSEC: unsigned
URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form: https://www.icann.org/wicf/
>>> Last update of whois database: 2020-04-19T15:21:11Z <<<
There's a few URLs in there which could be looked up for more info.
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If Jo registers joannenova as a copyrighted word — it is a created word after all — an attempt to extort licence fees for the use of the copyrighted word could be made or force abandonment of the use of the word.
I’m not legally trained, so I may well be barking up a fictional tree.
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Thanks for the sleuthing. I registered JoanneNova as a business/trading name in Australia years ago. But I doubt whether an Australian business name cuts any ice with domain squatters overseas.
I used to own joannenova.com years ago but a slip/misunderstanding by the webserver host didn’t auto renew it years ago, and it was bought up very fast. I don’t know what they are asking price wise. I forgot about it… Didn’t forget the lesson though.
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How does one search the domain name registry?
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Try who is WhoIs. result for Joannenova.com
https://au.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=joannenova.com&recaptchaResponse=03AGdBq26J2KNI8_CaXFkVMIFpMtgHeIDYhMWPXzutspbLPRGQQakr3mUE2Gr07vaLb5ljyAwwLqVfBap3Gxric_bYbwdjXVGGiP2vrDfPlAAMRa3XMOKsOI5i5W7o5cWbyOGp7mKpUvsBHz3M6-N4CpzK_U_fd-UnRRJTg9TkLqmT6JhnSh43TD1IB3XhZP9Ei8q7lJQMeiAusn5VX8SQ-RsI3ucTdjl96MMBB-xsQYirjE3Rpo5YzyDS952_9Wa6vupSLHPigBJ8XPm3lvcJO1WvqEWlwVCln1AeH6VGTkGK17smOsbtCSxSHDJKR6uTs3OeB6HBg262rSRlTCKXuzlnJcdvGoGlyBELMrbokDx4MTGa8QOFXlCwmx5oUfjB6RyejKllJ1XsdNw7geS1cJFonD6pI9z0zw&isc=coaugau002
🙂 Long enough for you?
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If I click on that link in the comment on my screen it’s Jo’s server in Oz trying to go there and it’s blocked. If I do the same thing on the address line of my Chrome browser I get the imitator site. All it has are links to various state and climate change sites pushing climate change BS as established fact. California has managed to lock in one party rule and elect the worst leaders in the state’s history if not the nation’s.
This is one of the worst dirty tricks in politics that I have ever heard of.
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Must block us from outside the US. I can’t get through.
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Now you have appended a second url to the link.
In Firefox, the link appears at the bottom left of the window.
Try this
Is that what you were trying to point to ?
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Also JoNova is an Australian domain site, so needs the .au at the end,
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but joannenova.com is not an australian website.
It’s the domain name which is for sale.
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I see the issue Roy was trying to draw attention to.
Is it really a problem ? I don’t know.
Theoretically, there could be many joannenova.com.xx type domain names.
But there can only ever be one joannenova.com.au 🙂
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The suffix is very specific and identifies the nation. I don’t think I could register royhogue.com.ca because it’s a California site. Icann would reject that. I believe they also rejected a proposal for .xxx to represent x rated content.
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” I don’t think I could register royhogue.com.ca because it’s a California site.”
Isn’t “.com.ca” the Canadian suffix ?
Looks like Canadian might be just “.ca”.. not sure
I don’t know if the rules are the same in Canada/California, as in Australia, (I suspect they would be)..
…. but if you have a registered Australian business name of say “Royhouge Pty Ltd” you could register the domain name “royhouge.com.au”…. assuming its not already taken.
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For those who are waiting for the Coronavirus 19 vaccine, just a little on the polio vaccine. Did it really vanquish the polio epidemics?
“According to a piece in The Vaccine Reaction,
“Perhaps the most egregious example of clever sleight of hand (… not to mention the outright, blatant rewriting of history) on the part of public health officials in the United States occurred in 1954 when the U.S. government changed the diagnostic criteria for polio. It was the year that medical researcher and virologist Jonas Salk produced his inactivated injectable polio vaccine (IPV). The vaccine was licensed in 1955 and began to be used to inoculate millions of children against polio.
The Salk vaccine has been widely hailed as the vanquisher of polio, and it is commonly used as the shining example of how vaccines are the miracle drugs for combating infectious diseases… and now even against diseases that are not infectious. Pick any disease, illness or disorder you want. You got cancer, cholera, peanut allergies, stress, obesity… we’ll develop a vaccine for it. …
What is conveniently omitted from this heroic story is that the reason the number of polio cases in the U.S. dropped so precipitously following the mass introduction of the Salk vaccine in 1955 was not medical, but rather administrative. …
[I]n 1954 the U.S. government simply redefined polio.[1]
Back in 1961, an article in the Chicago Tribune discusses this redefinition of polio:
The definition of polio also has changed in the last six or seven years. Several diseases which were often diagnosed as polio are now classified as aseptic meningitis or Illnesses caused by one of the Coxsackie or Echo viruses. The number of polio cases in 1961 cannot accurately be compared with those in, say 1952, because the criteria for diagnosis have changed”.[2]
https://www.vaccinesandchristianity.org/2019/04/22/youve-been-conned-polio-was-redefined-making-the-vaccine-look-effective/
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Are we sure about this?
I wasn’t aware of polio victims in my vaccinated peers, but those a few years older were visibly damaged without the needle.
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Joseph I lived through one of the series of polio epidemics in the first half of the 20th century. Once the salk vaccine was introduced the incidence of polio fell to zero in my part of the world. It had been a reality of life for my generation up to then.
I would suggest that what you are posting is an anti vaxxers interpretation of history.
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I agree Ted.
My recollection from long ago confirms that.
I can recall eagerly lining up for my polio needles.
KK
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And probably also remember having to dip your hands in disinfectant before you left the classroom to go to recess or lunch break at school. One of the girls from my school survived because of the iron lung.
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We didn’t have disinfectant but I had seen older people who had been struck by polio and I knew I didn’t want it.
KK
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TedM,
I lived through one of those epidemics at that time as well, and I had the vaccinations.
I wonder if you read the linked article? It gives a lot of info on the redefinition. And it may explain why polio went to zero in your part of the world.
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I remember my polio vaccinations well.
But, whatever you do, Don’t Panic!™ Oxford University thinks they can produce a single dose vaccine and have it ready to go within three months.
They did develop penicillin during WW2 … so they have a bit of cred …
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That moderation script needs a good solid kick up its rear-end.
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Why the fuss?
How else can one identify the effectiveness of a vaccine without clearly defining its target?
By defining new, more stringent, criteria for the symptoms of poliomyelitis caused by the Polio Virus, they attempted to rule out infections by other viruses that presented similar symptoms.
I would agree that one cannot compare chalk and cheese and Hip Hip Hooraying the decline in “Polio” by the 1960s as compared to the 1940s.
However, Hip Hip Hooraying the decline in “Polio” since the 1960s is justified.
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And Peter,
Hasn’t it been great to see wind’s performance crashing through the floor, and not just once during this time?
Have a look at today’s effort at: https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy
Click the big “MW” button at the right of the “Today’s Wind Energy Production” title at the link above and similarly at the right of the Wind Energy Production During …” title for each chart below.
That resulting black line running across the chart is the total wind-produced electricity output on the Eastern Australian Grid during the course of the last 24 hours. It’s a running figure, updated every 5 minutes or so.
Notice that the bottoming-out for today’s output at around 06:00 (Sunday 18 April 2020) cannot be made up by solar PV – it’s something to do with being a pre-sunrise time.
Have a look at the performance for April 2020 so far:
https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2020/april
and March: https://anero.id/energy/wind-energy/2020/march
Keep in mind that if the grid was powered 100-percent by wind generation, these results shows a system-wide blackout at each and every deep dip, and for lots of the time around each dip.
Can’t really do “smart-metering” and cause lots of brown-outs during the dips when we need all those hospital ICU’s up and running now, do we?
And we can’t really do “smart-metering”, similarly, and take out lots of households when it’s absolutely essential that, with everyone locked down at home, because should the electricity supply fail, we would soon have rioting in the streets.
Remember, 1 major grid outage every 10 years is a totally unacceptable criterion.
Here we see the potential, in an all-renewables future, for something of the order of 3 such outages every month.
Also remember that at present there is just over 7000 MW (7 GW) of installed wind capacity now connected to the Eastern Australian Grid, spread right across the grid, so we can’t really say, can we, that a bit more geographic dispersion of the wind farms would smooth that result out.
By any measure, this is not only a thoroughly downright dangerous situation, it is an utterly pathetic performance.
It’s about time our leaders woke up to the fact that these intermittent renewables are a completely pointless response to anything really, and most certainly not to the need to reduce CO2 emissions.
All that coal-fired plant that, fortunately, we still have, has to be up and running, very inefficiently for the most part, ready to plug these gaps in wind generation.
Hopefully TonyfromOz will be in a position to have something constructive to add.
Thanks for all your efforts, Jo, to keep us informed during this terrible time.
Paul Miskelly
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Catallaxy Files is also running on the choke point problem with ephemeral energy. Recent posting
“Houston, we have a wind drought!”
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/04/19/houston-we-have-a-wind-drought/
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Just stumbled across this article.
Fighting cancer with the common cold!
Now that’s interesting.
https://www.newcastle.edu.au/research-and-innovation/research-impact/using-cold-virus
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Beware. That’s not only interesting it’s too good to be true. Anyone selling something can say anything on the Internet as we all know.
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The Australian government’s covid19 app-
Sure google maps tracks all my movements, but google don’t have a police force ready to knock on my door.
There are many in both major parties who have called me a denier and have never refuted anyone who has called for my arrest or even death for questioning their failed claims of an apocalypse.
I don’t trust them or the next politician and will not be downloading your app.
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Its OK Travis, the PM said he won’t make it mandatory.
My feeling is that the required 40% will be easily reached by millennials and those who come after them.
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ScoMo builds windmills to prevent seasonal bushfires.
ScoMo has lost his mind.
ScoMo should just stop it.
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ScoMo is clueless. His mantra over the past year or so on reducing emissions proves it.
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Subsidies for renewables has come to an end and AGW is history, the government has nothing further to say on the matter of climate change.
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If Morrison gets back to beating his chest about meeting and beating our emissions reduction targets, will you eat your hat? If you don’t have one will you eat your shoe?
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The bushfire royal commission has just begun and they will conclude that it had nothing to do with global warming. Up until then the government will be mute on climate change and energy because they have other things to think about besides emissions reduction.
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Actually it was the Medical Officer that made the threat, ScoMo hosed it down.
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‘ScoMo has lost his mind.’
All the polls think he is doing a great job, you are out of step Travis.
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/politics/2020/04/10/paula-matthewson-morrison-polls/
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I am all for the app. I will be less inclined toward it if it slows my brick. Maybe the government will come to the party and upgrade my brick to something more modern if it is too slow.
The app does not track. It relies on bluetooth proximity for 15 minutes or more to exchange number with said proximal phone or phones. So all it records is the phone number of people carrying their phone with the app and being within bluetooth range for more than 15 minutes. Diagnosis of an individual with CV19 would result in the testing facility using your phone and its bluetooth cCV19 ontact register to phone the numbers in the register and advise them that a particular person has CV19. You may not even know the individual as the contact could be in a store, pub or restaurant for example. There is no central database.
I expect all employers will require employees with phones to install the app. It will be a condition of the work place. Hard to enforce outside the workplace but a quick audit would soon show if the app was not active for a period.
I expect people in high contact jobs like GPs will be encouraged to use and it could be made a requirement to enter clinics that it is functional. It is the ultimate personal protective device that works population wide if enough are using it.
The code is being released so the conspiracy theorists can get it checked out to know what it actually does.
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My understanding is that it works without GPS, WiFi or Data enabled, only Bluetooth. The phone numbers of people in your vicinity will be stored only on your phone and not sent to a central data base. If you contract the virus you can release this data to the health authorities for them to track and trace. As RickWill says the code is to be open source so it can be checked.
My OS is Linux which is open source. I will have no hesitation in using this app.
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> ” … conspiracy theorists …”
Sorry RickWill but that phrase is just snark. Disappointing that you use it. My very long experience is that bureaucrats treasure hiding information from the public, so you would need to reverse engineer the application live before installation, not just when it is initially released for comment. If you think not, then try to understand why the ABS suddenly decided to keep census information (including your IP address) against 150 years of practice.
Are you able to answer these questions in your enthusiasm for this application:
1) what actually happens to you if your bluetooth bundle of proximity phones includes someone who is infected ? Are you automatically quarantined for 2 weeks, tested, what ? Be specific.
2) what if, like me, you do not own an IPhonie, or a Droidie ? I regard Apple gizmos as toys for children, and Google now is simply beyond the pale in its’ lust for your personal information. This application will not load into other O/S phones. You have to buy another phone to have your social credit licence and full citizenship ? Oh, and I don’t use Tweetie Pie or In Your Face either. Sewers.
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Not sure why you are sorry!
Answers to questions.
1) Tested – negative test – good; positive test – quarantine. I would be disgusted to think I transmitted the virus to anyone else. There are people I normally have regular contact with who would be classed as highly vulnerable as well as two of my sons who are in the medical profession. Both treat elderly patients often having disabilities.
2) You will not be able to use the app – unlucky.
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In the food processing industry , employees are encouraged to leave their cell phones outside, for very obvious hygiene reasons. Preferably at home.
Absolutely forbidden on the premises.
Cell phones are fascinating little virus/bacteria transporters.
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Wow, straight from the liberal play book. The superiority, the name calling if you dont beleive what I beleive , even using one of their favourite phrases. Its been intersting to watch the site sub divide on Covid into alarmists and sceptics (and the application of all the usual lables). Ironic.
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Turn off bluetooth and location services and it should “blind” the app anyway.
I have also seen many ways to create localized DDoS attacks against bluetooth devices in your local vicinity, thus stopping bluetooth usage. No app using bluetooth would find another bluetooth device nearby…
Many ways to skin a cat…so to speak…
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Today we discovered a new word: “mal-information”. It goes with “misinformation” and “disinformation”.
We discovered it after I’d said that I thought the two latter words were being used interchangeably in a press report, and she decided to look them up to get a precise meaning (and correctly identified the difference between them). Here’s what she found:
…
” Council of Europe’s Information Disorder Report:
Misinformation: Information that is false, but not created with the intention of causing harm (e.g. someone posting an article containing now out of date information but not realizing it).
..
Disinformation: Information that is false and deliberately created to harm a person, social group, organization or country (e.g. a competitor purposely posting false statistics about your organization with an intent to discredit you)
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Mal-information: Information that is based on reality, used to inflict harm on a person, organization or country (e.g. someone using a picture of a dead child refugee (with no context) in an effort to ignite hatred of a particular ethnic group they are against. ”
…
I think the our media are capable of all three paths to falsehood. In my opinion the new one is the most insidious and used extensively in the “climate debate”.
Cheers
Dave B
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Thanks for clearing that up.
I thought Mal-information might be something to do with Talcum. Maybe it is!
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‘n if there were other paths to falsehood beyond those three, you can bet yer bottom dollar that our medja would be into those too. (
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Mal-information..
Maybe short for malignant information.. deliberately twisted to serve a purpose.
Regular examples from the stooge who keep changing his email address.
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Mal-evalent.
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Mal-information is any inconvenient fact.
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Mal Information is the bloke who was PM before ScoMo.
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I thought his name was Mal Function.
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No.
That was his brother, Mal Content.
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Cousin is Mal Ingering.
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… thought of one, – yr ‘Noble lie’, ‘ends justify the means’ path to falsehood.
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SloMo says 4 more weeks of lockdown!
Is that to eliminate the virus or is to buy time until we have more of everything needed (that we were supposed to have but did not have) such as PPE, Mask, Hand Sanitiser, testing kits etc?
The plan is never made clear.
However I think events elsewhere will move faster and that may change the Government’s approach. USA is already starting to let up, even though they have much less control of the virus than we have achieved here.
They are talking about restarting elective surgery in Victoria. We have not heard about any deaths among people who need cardiac bypass surgery for example but that does not mean they are not happening.
Today was a nice day in Melbourne and I noticed a lot more people out and about.
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Watch Melbourne’s stats in 12 to 14 days’ time, Peter C.
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Last 7 days in Australia average 140 recoveries per day, new cases 43 per day.
Unfortunately the curve seems to be flattening on new cases.
Best case scenario is that by end April we could be close to zero in a couple of States.
Then allow 14 days for new cases to progress to recovery, so that by mid May governments may be ready to significantly ease restrictions. Sport back by June 1?
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What is causing this permanent SST anomaly east of New Zealand?
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-144.60,-27.08,265
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Clearly the warm easterly equatorial current bounces of New Ireland and the Solomon Islands and drifts down east of New Zealand.
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Maybe, here is a closer look.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp_anomaly/orthographic=-171.34,-23.94,2102/loc=-165.871,-29.017
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It’s the sun.
That sea-surface is under a fairly strong (1024 hP) Anticyclone, so expect clear cloud-free skies.
(see metservice.com for weather mapping or see BoM’s Pacific pressure maps.)
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Not sure if that is the answer.
http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDY65100.pdf
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Hush, hush E G…
Do not help the global warming catastrophists
Of their old forgotten fears…
🙂
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No worries, I’m thinking the warm SST hotspot has something to do with the Foundation Seamount Chains.
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Personally I am thrilled at the response of everyone, across the world. War is not declared but the deaths are incredible. And no matter how incredible, they are far, far less than I would have expected. Everyone is isolating and it is working. It’s like a bad dream but if you stay inside and mind your own business, it all goes away. Amazing.
A virus expects new victims. It is built into the design. Deny it new victims, new virus factories and it dies. It’s so simple that it is unbelievable and unfortunately many commentators cannot believe it. And many people think it is intelligent, that it responds, adapts, hides. No, the virus is incredibly stupid. It just infects and reproduces and kills. All we have to do is isolate it.
Still I fear that no one is explaining this to the population. And there are seriously qualified doctors who believe in herd immunity. That’s like a bomb shelter against a nuclear attack. Useless. Or Stalin putting the railway stations 80 metres underground. Useless.
All we have to do is isolate. It needs to be explained by Scott Morrison and Donald Trump and Boris Johnson. But first they have to understand it. We do not have to lose any lives. And it will be gone forever, as quickly as it arrived. It is just a nasty chemical. Panic is its ally.
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And for those in financial difficulty, remember there are thousands, even hundreds of thousands, millions like you. Just brave it out. The bank can foreclose on a few, the landlord can evict, but if everyone is in trouble, the banks and landlords are also in trouble. So just tough it out. Talk to them. The fact is, they need you as much as you need them. So there will always be an accommodation, a deal. Even without the government. And it will all settle down and in time, it will be fine. I just wish Morrison would say this.
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TdeF,
Why does it take so long? Two weeks isolation and it should be over. But we have been in lockdown for 4 weeks and 4 more weeks to go.
I think contract tracing and quarantine should do the trick. By all means add masks and 1.5m social distancing. That has worked so far.
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G’day Peter C,
I’ve been wondering about that 4 week figure also, and I’ve got an idea/ theory with two steps:
1. I think we’ve got to get the daily “new cases” number down to zero, and have it stay there. My guess is that could take 2 weeks if all goes well, just to get that string of zeroes happening; and
2. We’ve got to get those last found cases through the quarantine period, and free of the virus, giving a second two weeks.
And there are the wild cards, mainly the plane loads of stranded Aussies coming home, straight into quarantine.
Cheers
Dave B
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Ok,
But we have to know where the new cases are coming from. Are they all due to stranded Aussies coming home? If so the proper new cases are already zero.
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stranded kiwis coming home are going into supervised quarantine to ensure we get no Typhoid Maries.
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But shock horror, we have discovered a + test in Wanganui, with no known contacts. Just one out of all the hundreds of tests taken randomly in NZ, nowhere near the cruise ship ports.
I’m just so relieved it’s in Wanganui where we have good computing. Should be no problem to track this down.
Curiously , the random testing didn’t include the cruise ship ports.
Probably nothing.
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Yes, the blip is due to doctors on the Greg Mortimer trip to Antarctica. They left 2 hours before flights closed and damn the consequences. Mostly doctors. As one said, he paid $57,000 for the trip. If you can afford to pay so much, you can afford to walk away. Now our numbers are made from these people, in isolation, paying the price for putting their holiday above the rest of society. Surely they could have stayed home and watched Happy Feet?
On the positive side, the numbers are fake and the disguise the fact that we have nearly wiped out this virus. And we should soon be at zero and by mid May, ready to resume our normal lives. It just makes me angry, the selfishness and arrogance of a few. What was so important in Antarctica?
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The medical profession has a well earned reputation for arrogance.
It sort of comes naturally with having people’s lives in your hands so much.
For which reason when dumping my old GP for exactly this reason
I did some research online about local GP’s in the Adelaide Hills.
I picked the one who apologised for a mistake that he made with a patient.
That I felt showed some humility.
And I was right. He does have that.
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It’s the trickle of ships, like the staff on the Ruby Princess. The German boat in Perth. And especially the Greg Mortimer cruise, which set our numbers back two weeks. However that is illusory, as the numbers are all in isolation. Plus one superspreader in Tasmania connected to the Ruby Princess. It has been a lot easier to pull from 450 a day to 50 than from 50 a day to zero. Still we are starting to see states with no new cases. By the end of the week, as predicted, we will reach single digits with a real hope of zero in teh following week.
Then I cannot see a risk in opening the country internally, with the proviso that travel must be minimized. No non essential travel. No interstate travel. No inter city travel. Villages and downtown can open. Schools and universities. The trick is to ask people to go out as little as possible, to travel as little as possible. 99% of people will be fine with that.
And a month later, we can start to open the country to visitors, but we really have to think about international travel. The rest of the world will be a disaster zone. And they will all want to come here.
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Peter, the two weeks is what it takes for a virus particle to degrade & break up when it lacks victims.
The problem is that various persons have become new victims.
How exactly ? Well North west Tasmania provides a good example.
Step 1 : have an infected person undiagnosed ‘released’ off the Ruby Princess in Sydney and fly to Tasmania
Step 2 : Go to hospital with symptoms and see a medical person who does not maintain social distancing and so this person gets the virus – asymptomatically
Step 3 : Medical staff have a party. ( They need a good drink and some down time ? ) & the infected person gives it to others at the party who are also asymptomatic
Step 4 : Asymptomatic medical staff treat patients at hospitals & old aged homes and spread this disease to persons at these places.
Step 5 One of the people infected is dishonest to the Contact Tracing people about who she has had contact with.
Step 6 : More infections appear in places where the dishonest person was working.
Step 7 : Angry Tasmanian government puts all medical staff in the region into quarantine; arranges a deep clean of the hospitals & the aged care centers. And asks the Australian government to provide military medical personal to re-start the hospitals. %000+ people in quarantine. The entire region closed off to the outside world.
Summing up : the answer to your question about why not 2 weeks : human stupidity and selfishness mate !
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All of those things have to be taken into consideration when planning the transition back to work. Human nature cannot be totally relied apon.
One area that definitely needs tightening up is quarantine of known cases.
https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/coronavirus/doctor-who-cared-for-600-returned-travellers-says-hotel-quarantine-is-a-disaster-and-patients-are-being-released-before-their-14-day-stay-is-up-as-distressing-footage-shows-some-struggling-to-cope/ar-BB12SZjb?ocid=spartanntp
The next is testing of people in quarantine because of contacts. 2 weeks isolation is probably too long if they are test negative. Some analysis of testing results would show that quite quickly.
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Peter, the 14 days is the best advice of virologists on this virus.
I would be reluctant to change that time frame against their advice.
Why ? Becasue it ensures that the person in quarantine does not infetc others.
Simple.
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TdeF “I fear no one is explaining this.” Me too. It needs repeating. The virtue of inaction and restraint!
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Is it also possible the virus was “assisted” to become a chimera?
htps://www.sciencealert.com/genome-analysis-of-the-coronavirus-suggests-two-viruses-may-have-combined
“In addition, these genomic comparisons suggest that the SARS-Cov-2 virus is the result of a recombination between two different viruses, one close to RaTG13 and the other closer to the pangolin virus. In other words, it is a chimera between two pre-existing viruses.
“This recombination mechanism had already been described in coronaviruses, in particular to explain the origin of SARS-CoV. It is important to know that recombination results in a new virus potentially capable of infecting a new host species.
“For recombination to occur, the two divergent viruses must have infected the same organism simultaneously.
“Two questions remain unanswered: in which organism did this recombination occur? (a bat, a pangolin or another species?) And above all, under what conditions did this recombination take place
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US clinical trials of hydroxychloroquine hit ‘warp speed,’ could show in weeks whether it works on coronavirus
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/15/coronavirus-us-clinical-trials-of-hydroxychloroquine-hit-warp-speed.html
10 days to enrol their first patient! That sounds like they are really busting it to get an answer.
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The CDC is now “actively looking into” into universal COVID-19 testing at Pine Street Inn homeless shelter.
The broad-scale testing took place at the shelter in Boston’s South End a week and a half ago because of a small cluster of cases there.
Of the 397 people tested, 146 people tested positive. Not a single one had any symptoms.
“It was like a double knockout punch. The number of positives was shocking, but the fact that 100 percent of the positives had no symptoms was equally shocking,” said Dr. Jim O’Connell, president of Boston Health Care for the Homeless Program, which provides medical care at the city’s shelters.
O’Connell said that the findings have changed the future of COVID-19 screenings at Boston’s homeless shelters.
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/shocking-report-shows-half-homeless-boston-shelter-tested-positive-covid-19-and-none
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Very interesting. seems to be a reasonable fast infection attack rate. Expect many to go on to develop symptoms. That is the data from elsewhere. By contrast this could be a different strain of covid19.
Always need to keep an open mind to this epidemic
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2020/04/16/boston-homeless-care-covid-19-update
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Some may not be aware that CV-19, like most of the respiratory viruses is not immune to the effects of the Sun.
https://news.yahoo.com/sunlight-destroys-coronavirus-very-quickly-new-government-tests-find-but-experts-say-pandemic-could-still-last-through-summer-200745675.html
Although some reports claim differently. All prior viruses of this type are killed by the UV of the Sun, it’s likely true. Meaning all those open-the-beach orders may not be as bad as some think. Note also, the continuing of all the could and maybes similar to those used with climate change.
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That’s a bit misleading. If you get it from a stranger at the beach, the sun does not matter. The beaches are not a problem in themselves, except that young people congregate. That’s what they do.
Where sunshine is it good news is that casual traces quickly become harmless, but sunshine of itself does not provide any protection at all.
What it means is that traces left on surfaces decompose quickly in sunshine. That means a lot for our food supply and our trade and our imports and exports, which are 99% by ship. Those few weeks in the weather and sunshine and through the tropics means we do not have a problem running the normal business of Australia which is coal, iron ore, wheat, cattle. Of course we could export other things, except we do not make anything else. Prawns and lobsters perhaps.
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Nothing misleading.
Never claimed anything of the sort.
Never claimed protection.
Just facts.
You’re just tossing out strawmen.
Sunlight and humidity and wind do matter – especially if one worships social distancing. Not only will the viral “load” to very small but the organisms are killed as they waft around. Unless you’re a homeopathic believer.
In over 70 years of frequenting beaches, I can’t recall anyone “catching” the flu or a cold just from visiting the beach.
It seems fair to say beach going has a tiny risk for CV-19 since nothing is 100%.
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%-6000 young young mostly foreign frolickers on Bondi beach
Was a huge infectious disease hazard.
At that age hugs, kisses and cuddles are all driven by the overwhelming need to have sex and breed.
And so in the days following there was a cluster of asymptomatic carriers in the area.
Sunlight protected them not at all
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Cederhil, 5- 6000 young young mostly foreign frolickers on Bondi beach
Was a huge infectious disease hazard.
At that age hugs, kisses and cuddles are all driven by the overwhelming need to have sex and breed.
And so in the days following there was a cluster of asymptomatic carriers in the area.
Sunlight protected them not at all
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I thought it was at the parties, after any time at the beach, that the virus spread?? Not while they were in full sunlight.
Cheers
Dave B
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Both David.
That’s why both were banned or stopped by the NSW police
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They were Not f’nicating in the Sun.
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Well now…this is interesting. Just released.
The Covid-19 immunity band:
https://wearlifekey.com/pages/covid-19-immunity-band
What’s even MORE interesting is that when I ran a domain age check it was registered back in 2018!!!
Couple that with the statement by Fauci back in 2017 about a pandemic in Trump’s term and it suggests a nasty conclusion…
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‘Page not found’ when I tried…
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And just ran across this article, which, intentionally, is meant to be provocative:
https://www.aier.org/article/well-that-unraveled-fast/?fbclid=IwAR3ebwR3aOQhqmdmQKObvQ-AnnTukHghQ-bo-AI1dX2l3vbvraxkXTtJfXQ
As an economist, he laments lack of data. However, then there’s this another one about CV-19 following a fixed pattern of CV-19 he derived from reported dataabout how the charts:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rkM9YI-ZviHAHUblcMv3w7vQSmDw7EXC/view?fbclid=IwAR2inl-BqU8x_ountheRmB_UPWnEI3LRKNevVSa7bdsrU9HH3xtysAkDAOY
Caution, you may need a translator.
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Ahhh, yes, an American Constitutional rights focused economist.
I think I’ll stick with Jo’s assessment.
It makes better sense
And she has been completely correct since Feb 3rd when discussing this virus.
Good luck Americans dealing with this disease.
But the virus does not care a cr@p about constitutional rights.
It just wants more victims to make sick & kill.
And you will have to agree to surrender some of them for a while
So all your 330 million people survive the attack of this virus.
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This issue has been floating around in my head a while.
But E M Smith on Chiefio blog beat me to it. So with his permission I’m posting it here :
“Basically every Globalist Goal increases the severity of contagion or heslth risk.
Pack everyone in cities. Check.
Live in apartment blocks, shared facilities. Check.
Public transit. Check.
Work in major corporations – cubicals, assembly lines. Check.
Meals in cafeterias, fast food places. Check.
Reusable shopping bags. Check.
Child care centers. Check.
Public schooling in mass facilities. Check.
Government run big health care clinics. Semi-check. It trys not to, but….
Rack em, pack em, and stack em is not good for children and other living things.”
But I guess some folks here will squabble about this as well…
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I gave this a green tick.
Because, right or wrong, you had “checked” everything.
KK
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One of the shortages caused by the coronavirus lockdown that made no sense to me was the disappearance of all of the ice from the grocery stores but then I read the article below and it all made sense:
Hard At Work: Nancy Pelosi Shows James Corden Her Extensive Stock of Ice Cream
https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/04/15/pelosi-shows-james-corden-her-extensive-stock-of-ice-cream/
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Excess costs of UK Weather Dependent Renewable Energy: 2020
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/18/excess-costs-of-uk-weather-dependent-renewable-energy-2020/
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On Malcolm Turnbull’s tome explaining why he lost, blaming everyone but himself. And Scot Morrison ‘did not deserve to win’. Everyone was a treacherous schemer it seems. All this without a shred of self awareness. As usual.
A copy of his new book has been circulating by email and this has killed sales and prices. The blame is directed at an enemy within, which would be no surprise. However it could be far simpler.
I had a friend whose older books were never word processors and he wanted to publish on Kindle. I found my clever little Brother combination photocopier, colour printer, scanner also had scores of other modes to produce PDF and even an OCR mode to a file. So you scanned the book, even two pages at a time, multiple columns, footnote, page numbers and received a perfectly good formatted and editable file. Amazingly clever and fast. But then a lawyer and banker would not know that.
It may be that no one wants to pay to read another fairy tale. Like Nikki Savva’s book. Both had to be changed when Scott Morrison won handsomely. And is doing a great job.
Worse for Malcolm, there is a motion to have him removed for life from the Liberal Party he once led as he has disclosed he was really a Green and personally responsible for bringing the very left wing Gaurdian to Australia while trying to redefine the Menzies Conservative Liberals as Turnbull’s Liberals, a Green Progressive party in his own image. A lot will be hoping the motion succeeds. He and his ‘Black Hand’ who betrayed Tony Abbott and the electorate did their best to destroy the Liberals and all jumped ship before it hit the rocks. Which in turn saved it. That’s the real story.
You would hope that Morrison can find a spare $12 Billion by stopping Turnbull’s unjustifiable monument to himself, Snowy II. Or asks for the $440 Million back that Malcolm gave without request or plan to Lucy’s Green friends to ‘save’ the Great Barrier Reef.
And the Australian has been running front page advertisements for the $80Billion submarine contract for South Australia to build the world’s slowest French diesel submarines which in the words of Tony Abbott are worse than what we already have.
There’s plenty of money there to help the recovery. And if they canned the RET, electricity prices would plummet, helping everyone. We have to stop saving the planet and save ourselves for a change. It has taken a deadly virus to make that clear.
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But will Scott Morrison listen?
ScoMo has proven his worth with stopping the boats, now he is proving his worth with controlling the spread of the virus and also attempting to keep the economy alive. Whether he succeeds remains to be seen.
Will he reopen the nation for business too soon, or too late?
The next month will tell. The last thing we want to have is a second lock-down. Heavens, Dan Andrews would go berserk with totalitarian strictures if that were to happen.
Regarding the climate hoax, ScoMo seems to have a blind spot. However, he can’t be that stupid as to not have heard Craig Kelly, Matt Canavan, and Tony Abbott expose the futility of adhering to the Paris Agreement. Surely he has heard Rowan Dean on Sky expose the hoax week in, week out.
Why is ScoMo being so stubborn?
Morrison could be a great Prime Minister if he scores three out of three.
So far he has one, maybe two, but is nowhere near number three, the climate hoax.
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GD, please understand we are a federal nation with states & territories.
The states control the lock down.
NOT Morrison
Here in SA we’ve had 2 days in a row with ZERO new cases.
After two weeks the virus will be eliminated in SA.
So our STATE government could then ease the lock down.
But we must Keep Border control to stop any virus entering from other states.
Until they get their total to zero for 2 weeks.
Simple !
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There is no way I would have bought the book, even as TP if remaindered.
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It would be useless as toilet paper Annie because it’ already contains poo .
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Checklist of Green Deal cost elements
By David Wojick
https://www.cfact.org/2020/04/18/checklist-of-green-deal-cost-elements/
The beginning:
Green Deal proposals are springing up around the world. The core concept is zero CO2 emissions via decarbonization. The proponents of these Green Deals deliberately avoid cost estimates because the costs are horrendous. To help force these huge costs out into the open I have developed the following simple checklist of Green Deal cost elements. Any comprehensive cost estimate needs to address all of these elements, most of which are unbelievably expensive. I have included some comments on the cost drivers as well.
Note that social elements like those in the Green New Deal (free health care, etc.) are not included. My list is just about the cost of decarbonization.
Checklist of decarbonization cost elements (with comments)
A. Electric power grid (with zero fossil fuel carbon emissions)
1. Generation (from central power plants)
Feasibility of CCS is a major unknown.
2. Transmission
Especially for widely distributed renewable sites.
3. Distribution
EV charging stations are a major addition.
4. In-building or facility distribution (behind the meter)
Most existing buildings may need rewired for EVs.
5. Generation behind the meter
Primarily solar.
Note: Electrification of transportation and other fossil fuel uses will dramatically increase the amount of electricity required to be generated, transmitted and distributed.
There are a lot more elements listed in the article.
Please share this widely.
David
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🙂 🙂
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“Germany sends China £130billion bill for ‘coronavirus damages’ – sparks fury in Beijing
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1271028/Angela-Merkel-Germany-China-coronavirus-blame-Wuhan-Xi-Jinping-Trump-latest ”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/04/19/depraved-leftists-exposed/#comment-1309181
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Guardian: Covid-19 is President Trump’s Fault for Failing to Protect Endangered Species in China
My favorite comments from the article:
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/19/guardian-covid-19-is-president-trumps-fault-for-failing-to-protect-endangered-species-in-china/
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”
Gary Larson has officially joined the world wide web,
https://www.thefarside.com
”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/04/19/o-sweet-saint-of-san-andreas-69/#comment-1309083
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Latest Pointman
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2020/04/17/trump-booting-out-the-world-health-organisation/#comment-32467
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Most people don’t know that the majority of the Salk vaccines in the 60s (which was incubated in primates) was contaminated with a cancer causing primate virus SV40 which is possibly responsible for a large proportion of the cancer epidemic seen in 55-65 year olds at the moment.
Polio vaccine is the prime example of how NOT to do vaccines.
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Disaster modelling – make it really scary. Vic modelling showed that without the lock down, Vic would have seen up to 58,000 new coronavirus cases every day at the peak of the pandemic and 36,000 Victorians would have died. The Monash Universty and Doherty Institute modelling was undertaken in collaboration with epidemiology experts in Victoria’s Department of Health and Human Services.
Wow! Worse than Italy, or Spain or UK, and nearly as many deaths as the whole USA?
That’s some “model”.
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🙂
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Paywalled !
And who actually believes anything from Doherty anyway ?
Jo here forecast accurately what was going to happen if we did not close the borders.
They ignored her.
And then were forced to act in March.
But by then the measures needed to eliminate htis foreign CCP virus were far harsher.
Ummm ?
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Yet another country which has a response to this virus
Verging on criminal :
Belarus !
News.com reports that thousands of Belarusians converged on churches across the country to celebrate Easter, ignoring calls from health authorities and church leaders to stay at home to prevent the spread of the coronavirus. One believer is reported as saying ‘The traditions of our parents, our fathers, grandfathers should be preserved. I think we did not commit any sacrilege when we arrived today. I believe that God will protect us,” at the traditional blessing at Minsk Cathedral.
Belarus has not impose lockdown measures or close borders to curb the epidemic. The state media ridicule fears over the new coronavirus, while the country’s president calls fears around it “mass psychosis”. President Alexander Lukashenko said on Sunday that the authorities’ strategy was correct. “You know my position: we survive these viruses every year”
No doubt just as in Ecuador following the Catholic Easter gatherings, we will soon see many many people sick & dying. Very very stupid !
Belarus is not going to eliminate the Wuhan virus anytime soon. And I think most other countries blocking the entry of anyone who lives and Belarus or travels through it.
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Seems the green menace have had enough of the Corona virus taking all the publicity off their CAGW ideological cause and are taking the NSW government to court over their inaction on reducing the emissions that made this years bushfires so bad .
No link and I just caught the last few minutes of the story on the radio , ABC of course .
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Beware beat-ups
“More Than 400 News Outlets Partner With A Project Seeking Media To Beef Up Climate Coverage Amid Pandemic”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/04/17/more-than-400-news-outlets-partner-with-a-project-seeking-media-to-beef-up-climate-coverage-amid-pandemic/
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Everything is going to be taken over by the events – by the course of the events. One of the major factors will be available funds – they just won’t be there. That means massive slimming down of government. And massive work on making government as efficient as possible. It also means reducing all unnecessary government expenditure for all projects including ‘climate change’ projects. If the left want to fund any of those projects then they need to fund them out of their own pocket.
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Another industry in decline across Australia – electricity generation.
Wholesale electricity prices per AEMO about $40/MWhr in April, compared to over $80 in April last year.
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The brilliant professor has discovered the learning curve!
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The brilliant professor has discovered the learning curve!
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For those bloggers desperate for a day in court to challenge the widely held premise that rising atmospheric CO2 concentrations are the cause of alleged modern day climate change – here is your opportunity to test your arguments before the judiciary. See: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-04-20/nsw-bushfire-survivors-launch-court-action-against-epa/12164348 and associated reports.
The following seems to precis the key point:
David Morris, chief executive of the [NSW] Environmental Defenders Office, said his clients were calling on the EPA to better protect communities for the future.
“As the body pre-eminently responsible for the protection of the environment, you can’t successfully achieve that [protection] if you’re ignoring the greatest threat to the environment,” he said.
“There’s a statutory mandate to protect the environment … but the EPA don’t (sic) have a current policy to regulate greenhouse gas emissions.
“Those two things can’t co-exist.
“You can’t be both required to protect the environment and then ignore its greatest threat.
“We [are] simply asking the court to tell the EPA go and create environmental quality objectives with respect to greenhouse gas emissions, regulate the pollution and use their existing powers to do so.”
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The case is listed in the NSW Land and Environment Court in Sydney for May 8, 2020. The question is – Are this blog and its commenters up to the challenge? Or do they know of any sceptics who would welcome the opportunity to enjoin the argument in this Court, if there is any way feasible & practical way to do so?
Apologies if this potential Court case has already been reported and acted upon by Jo and/or her commenters on this blog. [I’m sorry to say I’m only an irregular reader and contributor due to other ongoing commitments].
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I did post the link to an ABC article on it but you pose some great questions Bill , basically it looks like climate change will get its day in court but unfortunately the minister responsible in NSW is a greenie so I fear this will be a no contest .
Hopefully Jo has picked up on this because I fear a whitewash given how far the left have infiltrated into the NSW liberal party .
Remembering that this office also had a hand in a coal mine not being approved.
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Thanks Robert
Yes I can understand your concern about political and other agendas. But while I’m no lawyer it seems to me that the NSW EDO is challenging the Court to deliver a judgment declaring that modern day ‘Climate Change’ is due to increasing CO2 concentrations in the earth’s atmosphere (that largely derive from anthropogenic GHG emissions). Most commenters on this blog would strongly dispute such an assertion and finding.
Courts supposedly reach their findings/verdicts based on evidence do they not? God help us if our courts defer to the opinions of politicians rather than base their decisions on scientific evidence in cases such as this!
Over the years there have been innumerable comments made on this blog and many others (e.g. WUWT) just begging for a day in Court to settle this endless argument based on evidence rather than opinion. Is the opportunity presented by the NSW EDO to be by-passed by sceptics – or will they seize the moment as John Scopes and Clarence Darrow did in advancing the evidence for evolution, as opposed to religious fundamentalism, in 1925?
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When it comes to climate change a theory and a model counts for evidence apparently and given that the minister in charge of the EPA is noted for his alarmist views I can’t see him wanting to mount much of a defence .
Yes it’s going to court but look at who is on either side it’s nothing but green suing green .
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True enough. But leaving it to green vs green would allow the EDO to proclaim (if it succeeded in persuading the Court that AGW was entirely due to rising CO2 emissions as a result of human activities) that an Australian Court of Law had endorsed its argument. Wouldn’t that be a great propaganda result for greenies to advance to the punters and all of our political masters and the MSM, for example?. It seems to me that sceptics can not afford to leave themselves open to such propaganda. Smarter sceptics than me and especially those with an understanding of judicial processes need to advise whether my fears are warranted or not. Pell didn’t win his case in the court of public opinion. He won it in a Court of Law.
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If it goes in front of a court and a greenie judge presides it may set a precedent and that’s the danger .
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A far bigger danger is that when presented with an opportunity to advance their argument (before an Australian Court of Law) that human induced rises in CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere are not responsible for AGW, sceptics opted out. (Of course an even bigger danger than this is that sceptics do not have true conviction that they can sustain their argument in a Court of Law). Poor fellow my country – should that be the final result.
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Some tunesmithing
“William York: Waltzing with Malcolm (Rewording a national anthem)”
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2020/04/20/william-york-waltzing-with-malcolm-rewording-a-national-anthem/
Regards
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