Extinction Rebellion blockade the Murdoch Press in the UK because climate reporting is supposed to be one-sided
After thirty years of saturation media on climate change, XR realize there is absolutely nothing new they could say that hasn’t already been said 4,000 times. So they attack the newspapers that put forward a few opposing views among the wall-to-wall propaganda.This helps keep the compliant newspapers in line.
So any self respecting editor ought be asking: If Extinction Rebellion aren’t blocking us, what are we doing wrong?
Pity the poor newsagents and delivery boys and girls who lost money so XR could do grand-standing camping, blocking trucks and newspapers from getting out.
Extinction Rebellion: Printworks protest ‘completely unacceptable’ says Boris Johnson
More than 100 protesters used vehicles and bamboo lock-ons to block roads outside the printing works at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, and Knowsley, near Liverpool. By Saturday morning, police said some 63 people had been arrested.
The presses print the Rupert Murdoch-owned News UK’s titles including The Sun, The Times, The Sun on Sunday and The Sunday Times, as well as The Daily Telegraph and Sunday Telegraph, the Daily Mail and Mail on Sunday, and the London Evening Standard.
If only they had evidence instead of bamboo sticks?
@MartinDaubney #ExtinctionRebellion
The police were there to protect the protestors right to damage other people?
Hypocrisy is everywhere.
Ian Austin of The Telegraph commented “on the Hertfordshire Police’s pathetic response. “
What a disgrace it is to see the force’s assistant chief constable saying they were “working to facilitate the rights of both the protesters and those affected by their presence”. What on earth does that mean?
People can protest all they like but the police have a duty to keep roads open, allow people to go to work and newspapers to be published.
XR have well and truly shot themselves in the foot over this and have received a very bad press for their actions that is seen as anti democratic. They have also given away their Marxist ideology in their other non climate demands.
The background is that there is an early day members bill being debated in parliament next week so XR have been protesting outside.
The bill basically expands on the current looniness by a factor of five and demands a climate assembly.
Early day bills rarely get the support of parliament and this one is signed by 22 opposition mp’s so my guess is that after the current antics and bearing in mind this is an opposition bill, that it will be roundly voted down.
No doubt if XR carry out more disruptive demos this will not help their cause . The govt is thinking of categorising them as a criminal organisation with all that will entail which includes seizing their assets..
I understand that of the 100 that attended the demo 73 were arrested and 10 will be fined 10000 pounds each for breaking covid regulations in not social distancing or wearing masks etc
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Seizing their assets is not enough. All they will do is change their name and do it again, and again, etc.. They need to be imprisoned for committing acts of terrorism.
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Settle down, a massive fine and public humiliation is sufficient.
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That’s the problem, too many good people have settled down and given up fighting and instead are allowing evil to run roughshod.
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You exaggerate, in a democracy we have to expect disruptive demonstrations, remember the green jackets?
This lot are professional agitators, from different groupings, who think they can break the law and get away with it. No chance of that.
‘ … too many good people have settled down and given up fighting …’
Cory is better placed aa a Sky guest commentator than when he was sitting in parliament.
Also, replace ‘evil’ with ‘ignorance’.
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You appear to be hiding under a rock. I do not exaggerate, I just report what I see, and I see an increasing number of groups with evil intentions being allowed to create havoc and disruption. Also, witness what’s still happening at Adani.
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As for replacing evil with ignorance, it depends on which form of ignorance one is using. There is simple ignorance, which is to be distinguished from the double ignorance. Simple ignorance is being aware of one’s own ignorance, whereas double ignorance is not being aware of one’s ignorance while thinking that one knows all. The latter is as Socrates put it “ignorance is the ultimate evil”. That’s the trait of those protesters.
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This quasi rent a crowd is of no consequence, the pandemic has gutted the noble cause to save the world. Their ignorance gives strength to the authorities, if they care to use it.
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They will refuse to pay the massive fine and won’t be at all fussed about “public humiliation” as this will be seen as success in getting their message out.
They can be jailed for not paying the fines but in the process, they will waste the public’s time and money in court cases, funded by their globalist backers, generating even more coverage for their “cause”
So the authorities should just skip all the intermediary steps (which are part of ERs objectives) and send them straight to jail (do not pass Go)
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Odd too how that pregnant woman was arrested for just suggesting to organise a peaceful protest yet these other protesters managed to organise one and carry it out before even the police were involved. Go figure.
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One rule for me and one rule for them.
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Tonyb:
The first Climate Change bill in England was enacted in 1662 after some warm weather in the winter.
The Fast to be observed in Westm. Abbey, and the Bp. of St. David’s to preach.
Whereas His Majesty hath been pleased, by Proclamation, upon the Unseasonableness of the Weather, to command a general and public Fast, to be religiously and solemnly kept, within the Cities of London and Westm. and Places adjacent: It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and Temporal, in Parliament assembled, That the Lord Bishop of St. David’s is hereby desired to take the Pains upon him, to preach before the Lords of Parliament, on Wednesday the Fifteenth Day of this Instant January in the Forenoon, in the Abbey Church of Westm. being the accustomed Place where their Lordships have used to meet upon the like Occasion.
Samuel Pepys penned his view on the effectiveness and reasons behind the first Climate Change act.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1662/01/15/
Wednesday 15 January 1661/62
It seems to have had the same effect as current legislation penned by politicians.
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The paralells with modern times are close.
A little unusual weather and some hysterical claims about bad things that might happen, followed by a grand sounding (if useless) proclamation in Parliament and a bit of preaching. Then everybody went about their daily lives.
plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose
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At least Greta got impounded on the outskirts of London. No, unfortunately not her, but a boat (flimsy carnival float) named after her, pushed in the middle of the road 50 miles from Brighton by XR fruit-loops and designed to obstruct the roads as much as possible.
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I mentioned a while back the climate mob were keen to trash our economy and rebuild it in their rather twisted world view – well here we go…another bonkers idea.
Their barrow boy Dan Dan of Lockdown has already shown us how much fun you can have with trashing an economy so the whole state can then leap at covid shadows ( hey…anyone seen my CDC report….it was here somewhere…) , and has also suggested a green recovery from “the economy trashing we had to have”…
You can see the thick-headed and stubborn green agenda at play.
Step 1 – destroy economy through lockdowns
Step 2 – offer unprofitable and unsustainable industry as a life line out of the mess you have created
Step 3 – people say no….
Oh dear….hang on…..why wouldnt want the green utopia? Confusion then abounds…..
https://www.smh.com.au/politics/nsw/enormous-opportunities-nsw-s-green-economic-recovery-from-covid-19-20200906-p55srz.html
“NSW will pursue large-scale hydrogen production as part of its attempt to tackle the COVID-19 economic crisis, with Newcastle and Port Kembla identified as critical hubs for tens of thousands of new export jobs.
“NSW Environment Minister Matt Kean will use a major speech on Monday to release a report from the NSW Chief Scientist and Engineer which highlights the economic opportunities of hydrogen.
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I just wish Matt Kean was on the ABC. Then I could turn him off.
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“[Doomsday Global Warming XR] activists targeted printing presses in Broxbourne Hertfordshire, and Knowsley, close to Liverpool on Saturday morning.
“The protests on Saturday halted the printing of The Sun, The Times, The Sun on Sunday and The Sunday Times.
However, counter to their intent, the protests also stopped a [doomsday global warming] article featuring Sir David Attenborough from being widely circulated.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1331912/Extinction-rebellion-protests-newspapers-david-Attenborough-rupert-murdoch
The stupid. It burns.
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They don’t let up, do they?
First, it’s climate change, then it’s extinction rebellion, then it’s BLM.
When that doesn’t work, try extinction rebellion again. Rinse and repeat.
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Now the rabble want the Natural History Museum to censor Charles Darwin, noted while alive as against slavery and against claims that black people were inferior (even from his ‘bulldog’ Thomas Huxley).
Actually I am in favour of them booting his statue out and returning that of Sir Richard Owen to his rightful place. For those who don’t know he was the first director of the museum, for which he campaigned over 40 years, but was written out in an early example of thought control for his objections to Darwin’s theory. This was said to mean he was against evolution despite the fact that he had said publicly that it had occurred years before Darwin.
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Sir Richard Owen was an extraordinary anatomist and biologist but he was also an extraordinarily vindictive man, whitewashing Gideon Mantell from history in order to claim precedence for the discovery of dinosaurs.
Owen claimed to have precedence over the concept of evolution but his included creationist aspects. If he is to be seen as the “rightful” symbol for the Natural History Museum, then Robert Hooke should be seen as the “rightful” originator for the theory of graviational attraction (since he ascribed an inverse square distance relationship but lacked the mathematical skill to develop the proof).
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test – whitewashing
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Analitik:
The more I read the more I think that Gideon Mantell didn’t deserve any claim of precedence. Firstly he didn’t discover Iguanadon, his wife did. When she left him (second and final time) he changed the record. He claimed iguanadon as his own property, exaggerating its length to over 60 metres. He insisted that the spike belonged on its nose despite Owen suggesting politely that it didn’t fit. His collection of Iguanadon fossils was so haphazard that the palaeontologists later petitioned for the type specimen to be changed to the one discovered (and described by Dollo), and subsequently separated the mix into 5 species. His second discovery Hylaeosaurus wasn’t described at all but left in tonnes of stone; it is only in the last few years that the Natural History Museum has started dissolving the rock to try and identify the type (highly likely to be a nodosaur). His third discovery was Regnosaurus, from a jaw he’d previously identified as from an Iguanadon. He initiated a quarrel by accusing Owen of stealing the naming of a fossil (non dinosaur) from another author only to end up looking foolish when it turned out that Owen had been asked to identify/name the fossil by the discover.
Mantell was an unpleasant man; his wife left him, his eldest son had a flaming row with him and migrated to NZ (hence the type tooth being in Wellington) and never saw hin again. His youngest son established himself as an engineer and departed to the USA before he was 21. His elder daughter waited until he 21st. birthday (when he lost any legal hold) and walked out and didn’t speak to him for at least 6 years. Many of his contemporaries in the Geology Soc. ended up not socialising with him.
He deserved Owen’s anonymous obituary that “he was very good at finding fossils but had to rely on others to tell him what he had found”.
As for Owen naming Dinosaurs in 1842 that was 20 years after Mantell had found the second dinosaur. Buckland, who described the first (Megalosaurus) remained on good terms with Owen.
Yes, Owen could also be unpleasant. There is a letter extant in which Thomas Huxley said “no-one could be more friendly and helpful than Prof. Owen” but Huxley then turned into an enemy. Little wonder that Owen was bitter, esp. as Huxley and his friends tried to sabotage his cherished project for the Museum and then write him out of history. I would point out that Owen twice refused a knighthood (and only accepted finally when he retired) so may not have been that hungry for status.
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Analitik:
Owen’s idea of divine creation of primitive life which then evolved at least explained the origin of life, which Darwin’s theory couldn’t. Nor could Darwin explain the Cambrian explosion of life. Don’t forget that Joseph Hooker, Lyell and even Huxley had serious doubts about Darwin’s theory.
He also faced a campaign by Huxley and friends (the X committee) to denigrate his ideas, as they also did with St. George Mivart, and didn’t stop even after he was dead. They fought hard to stop the NHM but could only delay it about 10 years. There was dirty political work (by Owen too) but eventually Gladstone decided in favour.
Owen was what, in those days, was called a Liberal and was aghast at Huxley’s racist claims that the negro was an inferior/primitive form of human. Huxley claimed that man had evolved from the peaceful gorilla into bushmen, then negroes until reaching the heights of the white man. Owen was a friend of Dr. Livingston (and other african missionaries) but he had a sense of humour. He bought gorilla specimens and exhibited them in the British Museum as savage (relying on the then name Gorilla savage after Capt. Savage). There was a barrage of abuse (much as we have seen from believers in AGM) directed mainly against Paul du Chailu who had brought the specimens from a 2 year african expedition to Owen. du Chailu was accused of not having been in Africa, or being on a ship offshore and buying specimens, or of being a coward who shot peaceful gorillas in the back etc. He went back to Africa (around Gabon) with surveying equipment and a camera and bought back photos of pygmies and a specimen of the Potomagale (giant river shrew) which he was said to have invented. That shut up his detractors, the main one was also angling to depose Owen from being his boss.
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What rot. “Darwin” did not explain the cambrian explosion because he was not aware of it and besides there is nothing about that event that is not explainable by natural selection.
“Doubts” as you call them are technical details and not every word that Darwin wrote was perfect. Fundamentally the theory of natural selection to explain observed evolution has been retested millions of times without being overturned. Refining the original is not the same as throwing it out.
Your characterisation of Huxley’s ideas are wrong. He understood the concept of common ancestors and you seem to have left that out.
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Darwin was well aware of the Cambrian explosion, and couldn’t explain it. It lead to some leading geologists** to have doubts about his mechanism, but not about evolution which was fairly well accepted (in scientific circles) by the time Darwin published. After all people had been writing about it for over 100 years (Lord Monbodo who was quoted by Dickens, the Compte de Buffon, Wells (R.S.1813, who anticipated Darwin as was acknowledged by him and Wallace later), Lamarck, Matthew in the 1830’s, von Humboldt who mentioned it before meeting Darwin in 1842, and even Darwin’s own grandfather).
And the sensation of Vestiges of Creation publ. 1844 which far out sold Darwin even after he published.
Evolution is accepted, so is natural selection. The slow gradual change claimed by Darwin has been modified by work over the last 100 years. Try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcM23M-CCog
** Neither Philips (Prof at Oxford) nor Sir Rodney Murchison (head of the Geological Survey) believed. Even Huxley never mentioned it when lecturing in the years after Darwins death, only Wallace remained.
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you are free to make up what you want.
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Did you watch the youtube link? Both are now Fellows of the Royal Society.
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What rot. “Darwin” did not explain the cambrian explosion because he was not aware of it and besides there is nothing about that event that is not explainable by natural selection.
“Doubts” as you call them are technical details and not every word that Darwin wrote was perfect. Fundamentally the theory of natural selection to explain observed evolution has been retested millions of times without being overturned. Refining the original is not the same as throwing it out.
Your characterisation of Huxley’s ideas are wrong. He understood the concept of common ancestors and you seem to have left that out.
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“Free the Truth”. By stopping the press? And it seems all black is the new fashion in protests. I’m sure Hugo Boss could improve that uniform with a few lightning bolts and maybe a silver skull. The Jews are next.
Of course the real problem is the attention being given to the Burn Loot and Murder mob. It’s just protester jealousy, to put your favorite woke cause on the front pages. No one dresses in Green or red any more. That’s just so yesterday.
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Control of the media is part of the Marxist manifesto isn’t it ?
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As opposed to what exactly Robert?
In Australia there are 2 national and 10 state/territory daily newspapers, 37 regional dailies and 470 other regional and suburban newspapers. Nearly all major newspapers are owned either by News Corp Australia (formerly News Limited) or Nine Entertainment Co (formerly Fairfax Media) – from wikipedia.
Australia does have state media, but not in the print realm. However, Robert, I think I recall that you are not in favour of state media in any form, which means that you would support “Control of the media is part of the Capitalist manifesto isn’t it” – see what i did there
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Nothing new under the sun. During a Communist takeover of Czechoslovakia in February 1948, Communists made sure that only the Communist newspapers got any printing paper.
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Bamboo sticks. That’s nice symbolism. In Cambodia the Maoists used bamboo sticks to beat their victims to death.
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Protesters, in general, have achieved their aim of attracting attention and adding to the world’s enhanced state of confusion.
There are few beneficiaries to this action and it does nothing to help society move forward to a better place so why is it encouraged?
Surely any demonstration that causes affront to ordinary citizens and restricts freedom of movement is Undemocratic and in a functioning democracy would require police to take action to restore those rights and freedoms.
When governments do not protect “the people” then democracy is gone.
KK
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The developed world will slowly commit suicide if it continues to show tolerance to those work to undermine society.
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Yes indeed. Our so called leaders don’t have a clue because they live in a bubble detached from reality. It will be our eventual downfall unless we get a leader like Trump, which of course is not going to happen as most voters here would reject any party lead by someone like him before even the Senate had a chance to block everything.
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My mother lives in a care home in the NW of England. The first I knew about this ER mob’s action was from her when I ‘phoned her on Saturday evening. She was upset because her Telegraph hadn’t come. Thanks ER for upsetting my 98-yr old frail mother, who can’t get wifi in her room an, even if she could, gets a bit confused over using a tablet these days.
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Annie do you think this mob would care about anyone else except for themselves
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No, I don’t. They seem to be of the wilfully ignorant mindset that care only for their pet brainwashing.
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Trust your Mum is getting the news she needs
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Thanks Alan, I’ll find out when I next speak to her.
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We need internment camps. There is no other way. These people belong to a cult and must be deradicalised.
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A lot of it is energy and youthful enthusiasm and feeling of invulnerability. Manipulators historically have set out to harness this. From “give me a child when he is young” to the Hitler Youth. Young people do not want to get on their parent’s life treadmill and they want revolution. Any cause will do.
And there is always a small violent element, allowed to do things like throw molotov cocktails to the cheers of strangers. And the police stand down or the magistrates and judges. Oddly, these are not the oppressed, dispossessed or those lacking hope. Often these are rich young people with everything and looking for excitement. There is no adventure as sailors or conquistadors in South America or traders in the East Indies or the Far East. There is only the certainty of a comfortable life of hard work. Of course they join the revolution. Who cares which one?
Portland, Oregon is the whitest of white cities. An absurd place to have race riots for 100 days. But it was also the source of left wing radicalism and communism in the 1920s. And wealthy New Yorkers are joining the riots. And the rich accents of the Extinction Rebellion crowd are obvious. This is not about racial justice or the absurd climate justice. It is about the need to rebel, left wing radicalism and the inevitable unscrupulous power hungry people behind it all.
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Can you imagine the apoplexy among these “enviromentalists” if for just one day a week the newspapers replaced their detailed horse-racing data with a climate facts sheet?
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Most environmentalists don’t like horse-racing either. They think it amounts to animal cruelty and should be banned, along with fly-fishing and barbecues.
You need to realize that XR, CND and animal rights activists are all the same people in the main.
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Strangely the other protests in the UK, and also on same the weekend, which blocked roads, and caused people disruption, does not raise a mention.
Is it that buying advertising with a bit of opinion printed on tomorrow’s fishwrapper, is a god given right (scans online but can not find that right anywhere).
or is it that those non-mask wearing, anit-lockdown protesters are OK because they don’t care about the environment. (scans on line and finds that some groups do assert this as a right, not the bit about the environment, but the bit about how an individual has the “right” to spread disease and prolong a pandemic)
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P.F.
The extinction mob caused the Press to loose money, hence the Press hostility. The anti-lockdown protestors were only concerned about their personal environment so didn’t get any publicity because that might reflect on the Government, which seems to be doing all it can to spread disease and prolong the ‘pandemic’.
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How so? The advertising is paid for, and I’m assuming that the distribution contractors will not be paid, so how much did they actually loose?
Could it be that the hostility is because a group is fed up with opinion dressed as reporting? The assertion of balance when there is none?
Could it be that the main market for these rags are older conservatives who only want to be told that it’s not their fault, its the youth today, who have got it wrong.
It was the government owned BBC who had the reporting on the tragic anti mask, 5G buffoons, which refutes your conspiracy laced final sentence.
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Peter
I don’t know what its like in Oz but you can barely open a newspaper without seeing a press release from Greenpeace or XR telling us all how we are killing the planet or else there are letters and supportive editorial (as with Greta and protests) . The idea these people don’t get their viewpoint across is simply nonsensical
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Then don’t – why buy advertising when you can get it for free, via social media, or search engines.
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How so? The advertising is paid for, and I’m assuming that the distribution contractors will not be paid, so how much did they actually loose?
Could it be that the hostility is because a group is fed up with opinion dressed as reporting? The assertion of balance when there is none?
Could it be that the main market for these rags are older conservatives who only want to be told that it’s not their fault, its the youth today, who have got it wrong.
It was the government owned BBC who had the reporting on the tragic anti mask, 5G buffoons, which refutes your conspiracy laced final sentence.
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One click 2 posts, better call admin
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Ah! A different Peter F avatar for today. Yesterday’s was quite different. How many Peter F’s are there?
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Annie
How many Peter F’s are there?
Soros pays for many CrowdTangle employees.
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I heard he gets $4.25 U.S. for each red tick he gets.
Not bad work.
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Bill must of been loaded then.
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As many as I want, if you have a gmail account, and your email is say 10 characters long, you have 10! (factorial) possible avatars, as Gmail allows that number of aliases, for example peterffitzroy@gamil.com = peterf.fitzroy@gmail.com = peter.f.fitzroy@gmail.com)
10 factorial would be written as 10x9x8x7x6x5x4x3x2x1= 3,628,800.
PS that is not my email
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I seriously wonder why it is just ….. YOU who has the need to game the system, when the rest of us ‘honest’ contributors just use the one email account.
Or is this your attempt to hide the fact that there may be more than one of you, because I’m certain I’ve caught you out more than once with responses to exactly the same questions with exactly the same links, which you never take anyway.
You have so many dishonest ploys, typical of the far left.
Either way, why is it just you who needs to do this?
Tony.
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Dunno Anton – you play games with your identity on this site, claiming for example that you are from OZ (did you meet the tin man there?), and then linking to your own website where, suprise suprise, you have a completely different name.
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Peter , thank you for suggesting to us that we should link to Tony’s other contributions.
I did as you advised and came across a very recent contribution on the current state of wind power in Australia.
To quote :
Generated wind power total as a Percentage of overall total generated power from every source for this last week – 11.2% (and that was a good week because:-)
Generated wind power total as a Percentage of overall total generated power from every source for the last year (52 weeks) – 8.9%
Capacity Factor for wind power generation for the last week (7 days) – 32.29%
Capacity Factor for wind power generation for the last year (52 weeks) – 28.56%
Capacity Factor for wind power generation for the longer term (101 weeks) – 29.31%
I had no idea that wind power was so misleadingly named in a country that intends in just a few years to feed and provide gainful employment for a sizeable population with no aid from fossil fuels.
Thank you for the insight, albeit provided at one remove.
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Peter , thank you for suggesting to us that we should link to Tony’s other contributions.
I did as you advised and came across a very recent contribution on the current state of wind power in Australia.
To quote :
Generated wind power total as a Percentage of overall total generated power from every source for this last week – 11.2% (and that was a good week because:-)
Generated wind power total as a Percentage of overall total generated power from every source for the last year (52 weeks) – 8.9%
Capacity Factor for wind power generation for the last week (7 days) – 32.29%
Capacity Factor for wind power generation for the last year (52 weeks) – 28.56%
Capacity Factor for wind power generation for the longer term (101 weeks) – 29.31%
I had no idea that wind power was so misleadingly named in a country that intends in just a few years to feed and provide gainful employment for a sizeable population with no aid from fossil fuels.
Thank you for the insight, albeit provided at one remove.
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Where from and what for are long Bamboo poles found in these towns?
Was there a special order placed with a supplier?
“Inquiring minds want to know.”
Also, what is the IQ of the person that thought of this silly stunt?
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are you in the market for bamboo? Try google or any other search engine.
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It wasn’t so long ago that bamboo was used for scaffolding on high rise buildings in Asia.
But how did they get them in Britain.
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It still is and it is not hard to find elsewhere. Ask mosomoso.
I imagine it was put on a shipping container and it sailed to the UK where they took it out of the container. Then someone bought it. I’m sure wikipedia has something about how trade works that you could look up.
Why do you think it is unavailable in the UK?
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here is one http://www.bonzabamboo.com.au/
and another https://ukbamboosupplies.co.uk/product-category/bamboo-poles/
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It wasn’t so long ago that bamboo was used for scaffolding on high rise buildings in Asia.
But how did they get them in Britain.
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I had the same thought. It’s too cold in the UK for bamboo to grow.
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seriously? You can buy Mangoes in the Uk
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That is a good question. I saw it used frequently as Scaffolding in Asia but it is very rare to see that sort of size and thickness in the UK. As an art installation perhaps but its not something you could easily obtain in the UK
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Extinction Rebellion will no doubt become extinct when the ravages of “Eddy Minimum” [Global Cooling] take hold this decade and beyond resulting in a prolonged “Little Ice Age”. In fact there are signs that “Global Cooling” has already started if you look at Karsten Haustein’s latest GT chart – most noteworthy being a significant temp drop in the S. Hemisphere during the past 3 months. And with BOM’s latest ENSO outlook now being on “La Nina Alert”, one would expect only further “Global Cooling” for the period Spring 2020 to Autumn 2021, and maybe back to back La Nina’s like in 2010/11 & 2011/12, ie back to back La Nina’s in 2020/21 & 2021/22. All linked to Solar/Lunar Cycles (mainly the former) and little to do with the trace gas CO2 (~ 4 parts per 10,000 gas particles in the atmosphere).
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And I am extremely puzzled that the Democrats in the US think general unrest let alone riots and looting and burning buildings will help them in the coming elections. Possibly they know this is their side and if they oppose Burn Loot and Murder or anarchists, the votes will go elsewhere or not appear at all. So they are caught in a bind, even though they know it is costing them votes in Middle America, land of the deplorables but also Democrat land, even among black voters. And the very odd thing is that while the KKK is considered the party of the right, it was always part of the Democrats and from the South, the party of white supremacy and slavery.
It’s a bit like the journalist takeover of reporting to the extreme left. Now the old respectable New York Times and Melbourne’s Age and so many now extreme left newspapers dare not tell the truth without fear of losing what’s left of their formerly very conservative readership.
So it’s almost risible that these leftist journals are being stopped from distribution by the very people they support because the front page is all about BLM and how bad Trump is and Harry and Megan and not Climate Extinction. The people stopping them get their information from facebook and twitter and would not buy any newspaper. Now there’s some justice and a lot of irony in that.
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What gives you the impression they are trying to win the election, they’ve done nothing to give me that impression. Quite the opposite really.
The video Jo posted the other day showed the potentially, next POTUS saying the riots won’t stop, can’t stop and everyone needs to take note of that.
Well can’t say they didn’t warn us.
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O/T but too good not to post :
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/four-new-cases-of-covid-in-nsw/news-story/7f67125c11bd11b6d438c5aaf9e8a34e
Uh oh…the whole mask thing might come crashing down….what will Dan do without face diapers to force on people?
“Health authorities in NSW are desperately trying to find out how coronavirus was able to spread through hospital workers in two Sydney emergency departments while they were wearing masks and PPE.
“Three of Monday’s four new cases were emergency department workers at Concord Repatriation General Hospital’s Emergency Department and Liverpool Hospital’s Emergency Department.
“The employee at Concord worked from 7pm on September 1 to 7am September 2 while potentially infectious, and the two at Liverpool Hospital worked on September 2, 3 and 4.
“All workers reported having no symptoms while at work and wore personal protective equipment (PPE) while caring for patients.
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Hi all.
The XR mob had a running demonstration across the road from parliament house late last year. It was a good chance to catch up and ask them a few questions. Nothing nasty, just asking them to join the dots about what they were doing and how they expected it to make the world a better place.
The ones I spoke to seemed genuine people, even nice, but so clueless that it was embarrassing. Unfortunately they seemed emotionally bonded to their little ideology, and being confronted with scientific principles such as the null hypothesis, burden of proof, paleo climate history, Beer-Lambert’s law and the earth’s emission spectrum was a revelation to them. Whether it sunk in, I don’t know. But the patient, gentle approach at least allowed the conversation to happen at all.
If we are to get the message across to them, it won’t be via slogans but by patiently questioning their beliefs and letting them work out how shabby they are for themselves.
Cheers,
Speedy
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If they are handing out leaflets in the street I will stop to talk to them. They are invariably very nice sincere people but know as much about climate change as I do about nuclear fusion which is less than zero.
They are a cult driven ideology and having proof does not matter when you want to save AND change the world. Who they are being organised by is perhaps the more interesting question as certainly the foot soldiers could not organise the often military style precision protests we see
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Hi TonyB. Yes, it’s sad that seemingly nice individuals get used like the XR mob are treating them. My theory is that they rely on XR because they need something to believe in and saving the world seems like a noble cause.
The times I’ve let them talk through their logic – or lack of it, it always ends the same way. They either use the precautionary principle or they claim that they’ll respect my “opinion” and that they are therefore entitled to retain theirs.
For the precautionary principle, it is analogous to insuring against trespass by fairies from the bottom of the garden; risk needs to be realistic and price of insurance needs to factor in the probability-weighted cost of that risk.
For the “it’s my opinion” case, then I simply tell them that when an honest person discovers that they are wrong, they can either stop being wrong, or they can stop being honest. This makes them uncomfortable, but they are still reluctant to walk away from the one thing in this world that gives meaning to their lives.
Cheers,
Speedy
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News Ltd should give in to them and give climate half a page on page 2, sourcing all its articles from this website and wattsupwiththat. Take the fight to them.
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I would be ringing up some farmer mates that would have manure spreaders. Make sure that it was mixed up a bit with water, to make it go further.
OR…Mr and Mrs Plod could turn up with the water cannons.
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Not Boris’s water cannons though as they were scrapped.
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http://joannenova.com.au/2020/09/ran-out-of-arguments-extinction-rebellion-ban-newspapers-instead/
Shutting down Rupert Murdoch’s rags is an attack on freedom of expression? They lied about Iraq, they lied about Hillsborough – I can’t remember all the lies. I joined the picket of Murdoch’s plant at Wapping in 1986, unfortunately we didn’t stop the scabs.
Of course, we were part of a working class movement, which eventually succeeded when Murdoch and the other scum got a bit to confident, and introduced the Poll Tax. Extinction Rebellion is nothing like that – but to call blockading neoconservative rags like the Times an attack on freedom is ridiculous.
Rupert Murdoch is no better an ad for your country than Rolf Harris.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster
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