Is there a better badge to show the intellectual collapse of The West than the idea, from a NATO chief, that we should put solar panels on battlefield tanks? One hundred years from now, there will be a stage in the collapse of civilization called the “Solar powered battle tank” phase. An idea so radioactively stupid that any science writer’s first question is “is this satire?”
Apart from the whole power to weight ratio non-starter, there is the problem of night time and rainy-day warfare, camoflaging a shiny surface, and the general vulnerability of glass and electronics in a situation known to “have bullets”.
Oh the dilemma: how to camouflage solar panels and also collect sunlight?
Not only are these Solar Powered Tanks at risk of being immobilized by a stray shot, they could be struck down with a paint bomb.
Another day in Fall of the West
Nato chief suggests battle tanks with solar panels as militaries go green
Thomas Harding, National News
The Nato chief [Jens Stoltenberg] suggested that militaries should advance research into low-emitting vehicles because of the advantages they bring, at an online seminar titled New Ideas for Nato 2030.
“Nato should do its part to look into how we can reduce emissions from military operations,” he told the Chatham House event. “We know that heavy battle tanks or fighter jets and naval ships consume a lot of fossil fuel and emit greenhouse gases and therefore we have to look into how we can reduce those emissions by alternative fuels, solar panels or other ways of running our missions.”
The carbon emissions from a 60-tonne US Abrams main battle tank are calculated to be the equivalent of 10 Mercedes-Benz cars.
Jaime Carrasco: The Russians and Chinese would love that.
Nick DuCate: How woke do you need to be to suggest “zero-emissions warfare”?
Payal Hindu says “What next … “biodegradable nuclear weapons ?”
Jon Salero: The worlds first sail-powered aircraft carrier coming right up…
EEF [describes Jens Stoltenberg as] “A Labour Party Norwegian who lives in a country with no sunshine 1/3 of the year, geographically some of the most inimical to tank warfare and possesses some of the greatest oil reserves on earth.” [Shows video of Putin dissolving into laughter].
To solve supply line issues, surely the answer is — find more fossil fuels on your own land.
If the aim is a greener military, the answer is — a/ go nuclear (where possible), and b/ get a new commander in chief.
In Stoltenberg’s defense, (if that’s not abusing the word defense any more than he already has) he’s probably not talking about pure solar powered tanks but a kind of Hybrid Tank and while his aim is unmistakably “climate warfare” (how evil are those Mercedes Benz?), he argues that it would also reduce the need and risk of supply lines. Given that tank MPG is about half a mile per gallon on a country road, the sheer wattage required to move a 60 ton object makes the “savings” in the order of 0.2% of total requirements or so. It’s not clear the benefits are even measurable on the same scale as the costs of complexity, components, and failure rates.
Willis Eschenbach calculates: 1 gal. diesel = ~ 40 kWh. Solar panel, ~ 1 kWh per day. Solar panel ~ 17 sq. ft. You MIGHT fit four on an M1 tank. Plus 4 Tesla Powerwall batteries, 1/2 a ton. Every 10 days you could move your tank 0.6 miles … in summer.
Stoltenberg is not the only military man trying to go green. The Truman Centre in the US argues the military should not be so reliant on fossil fuels:
The U.S. military is the largest institutional consumer of fuel in the world, accounting for 2% of our nation’s petroleum use and 93% of the U.S. government’s energy use. For every $10 rise in the price of oil, the Department of Defense must come up with an extra $1.3 billion annually, which must be diverted from training, maintenance, and other mission-essential items in the DoD budget. That means our reliance on oil directly threatens the readiness of our troops.
Best way to reduce emissions in the military is to have such a big military in such a powerful economy that you never have to fight a war. Burn those fossil fuels!
weapons grade stupid….
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‘Military intelligence’ clearly an oxymoron when used in a NATO context.
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A panel might be enough to keep the battery charged when it’s parked and the radio and electronics are being used. Tanks are high maintenance, if they are not mostly sitting, then they are rapidly wearing out (especially treads). If a call to action occurs, unplug and leave the panel behind.
I think F-35s are stupider. If the ‘stealth ‘ feature is defeated, it’s not a good fighter. “Ambient” radar has been demonstrated to spot them – radio waves from broadcast. Doctrine for US air power is to destroy radar first, they could destroy radio broadcasters, too. Buuut the enemy could do something like using multiple replaceable antennas (balloons and wire?) Attached to a hidden radio broadcast amplifier, and passive radar receivers.
F-35s may have been a good experimental thing to do.
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weapons grade – super duper Hi-Quality dangerous then? Safe in daytime then after a nighttime’s use …. in doubt? – go figure.
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What happens to a lithium battery during an EMP attack? Will it overload and begin a runaway burn?
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Nelson used wind power.
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Yes, that was historically the peak time for wind power – all the world’s ships plus windmills for grinding grain and draining fens and land reclamation.
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Yes he’s a stupid civilian. He’s not a general – he’s a civilian, a politician, a minister of defence. Thats why the military constantly roll their eyes and say ‘why must we endure the babbling of moronic civilian morons who are put in charge’.
Alas the showing of civilian politicians over the last 20yrs starts to make you yearn for a common-sense military takeover. If we keep putting civilian idiots like Stoltenberg in charge the question has to be raised – ‘Surely military control is better than morons like this!’
I now understand why military coups occur – a yearning for intelligent adults to be in charge!
Dont blame the military -they have to suffer these fools!
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Okay … so they just need to invent bullet proof solar panels or will they make the tanks glass too with little cute cookie wheels and rubber band candy tracks and shoot gumballs and donut holes? Capt Unicorn reporting for duty fella!
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Och it’s Carneval time / Mardi Gras etc – time for ridiculous jokes. Shells on elastic bands to allow re-use, etc
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And even then it can’t possibly work on anything more than a lightweight child’s toy. As someone who served in the ADF as a “tech elec” (electronics technician) the fact that this demonstration of crass stupidity came from a senior person in the military, and actually made print media, makes me cringe.
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Yes it certainly gives the “average” person, NO confidence at all, of being defended.!!
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Okay, I’ll fight NATO’s solar powered tanks. It’s not a problem:
I’ll fight only at night.
And as Queen proclaimed:
Another one bites,
Another one bites,
Another one bites the dust!
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Maybe they could buy Toyota and secure their hybrid technology. Imagine getting 1mpg rather than 2gpm – whoopee.
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Such is the mind numbing stupidity that prevails in the west at all levels
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It isn’t stupidity, it’s sabotage.
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It isn’t stupidity, it’s simply a way to get NATO countries to cough up more funding, and NATO always needs more funding.
“You don’t actually think they spent $20,000 on a hammer, $30,000 on a toilet seat, do you?”
– Julius Levindon “Independence Day”
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Hammer? I thocht it wis an AXE wan needit for a’ thae toilet paper aka lieu-roll oan abig job ( contract) Did they plumb it a’ in an’ remeber this is around Carneval TIme. O a furgot – nae Karneval processions – th ersha wee ‘ PAN demic aroon. Need a Dose o’ HARPIC or AJAX then. they’re clearly aroon thae but n’ ben s . 😉
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North Atlantic Treaty Organization
Cold War construct.
I’ve heard the CW ended.
Guess I’m Russian threat denier too.
All hail the NWO.
I feel female today.
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Yet is it not stupid to jeopardize national security for profit and global fantasy.
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With UN in charge, there could be a treaty where the carbon footprint of waring parties is limited. A bit like the 100kg fuel limit in F1 racers.
How about nuclear powered tanks – range essentially unlimited! Apparently the idea was scraped in the 50s but worth another look now. Need to get UN out of the way with regard to treaties on nuclear weapons. Maybe a nuclear power plant could be defined differently.
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RickWill.
I wonder if the Chinese, Russians, and other NATO enemies will adopt the same solar powered tanks, ships, aircraft, missiles, etc, to be fair to NATO.
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With a breeder reactor. Make your own bombs at the same time as going to war!
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LOL. And that evil enemy; they broke all convention and fought at night. How dare they…
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Trump should have withdrawn all funding from NATO. They’re certainly not worth having as an Allie. They’re obviously aligned with “the other side” & the Great Reset. I suppose troops have days off for hairdressing & beauty appointments.
Stoltenberg has obviously just received his marijuana ration.
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A few days ago was the news of Biden’s plan to replace 600,000 government vehicles with EVs. I’d like to see an all electric Presidential limo
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His current limo weighs 7 tonnes, an electric limo would likely come in around 10 tonnes or more. He’d be better off driving an ore-truck.
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Naww! I think he’d be better as a Lithium Sandwich – see the jam fly then? unless it’s t’other kind we Suzie running after him ( Big Suzie ). Imagine that!
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one of those self driving mine dump trucks would be cool….they even cone with a tipper to dump out illigitemate presidents at the end of the ride if the current clown show…
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I take it you’re referring to “President” Joe Fraud!
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Does anyone remember Doctor Who and his early battles with the Daleks?
These awesome and sophisticated creatures could be disabled by stairs, throwing a rubber mat under them so there was no electrical connectivity and most of all throwing a jacket over the Daleks eye piece. This completely disoriented them
So in fights with solar tanks, watch the weather forecast for cloudy days, fight at night or have something ready to throw over the solar collector, which by definition will need to be in the sunniest and most exposed place. Or as batteries will have a range of a few miles let the tanks chase you for a few minutes.
Howe the Russians and Chinese must be laughing at us, and in the case of the latter probably selling us the batteries and solar panels in the first place.
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I guess the CCP would provide the smart batteries which would activate a battery fire on a coded signal at 0130 hrs two days before their declaration of war. Absolutely accidentally of course.
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And connection to the 5G network. What could go wrong?
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Breaking News: NATO announces plans for screen doors on submarines, ejector seats in helicopters and ashtrays on motorbikes!
What an exciting time to be alive.
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Surely a wind-powered sub is not far away …
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Probably not, and don’t call me Shirley……
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Everyone assume crash positions…..
Did anyone have the fish?
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I agree, the stupidity is unbelievable.
Technology has made them totally obsolete.
An extremely cheaper Technology such as air drones can carry a multitude of armaments which make these tanks just death traps.
Like Aircraft Carriers are classed as Coffin Carriers as they are so obsolete to being sunk in a multitude of ways now.
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You don’t even have to be close to an Aircraft Carrier to sink it totally undetectable. By generating a man-made Suomi(giant wave). 100 miles away…
This is the latest in technology is having the Ocean do your destruction.
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I wondered what an artillery battery was, lead acid or lithium ion?
lol
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Not too long ago, said military chief would have been quietly removed from his post and placed in a nice quiet asylum by the sea.
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He’d be like the major from Fawlty Towers.
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Maybe they’re ‘arranging’ an accident for him.
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I have a plan, horses, chariots, bows with arrows and swords.
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I’ll allow that provided you purchase carbon offsets for any methane produced by your horses.
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Poolution.
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In that case, harness the methane and no offsets required. Yay, fully environmentally friendly. Now if only we could get rid of all those humans, oh, wait!
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/pentagon-ufos-roswell-space/2021/02/13/id/1009928/
Maybe the peeps at NATO could chat with the peeps at the Pentagon about useful tech from crashed UFOs….
Mmmhmmm
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The winning side wi be the one using Dominion computers to calculate their emissions.
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The enemy must have this General that compromised that he would come out with such drivel.
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He’s not a general – he’s a civilian, a politician, a minister of defence. thats why the military constantly roll their eyes and say ‘why must we endure the babbling of moronic civilian morons who are put in charge’.
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He is certifiable stupid. He should be sacked immediately.
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Just think; the people who put him in that position are even more stupid than him…
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So what will they use as the propellant for the shells? Compressed air?
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Compressed CO2 would be better because of the greater density.
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Yes, the only thing denser would be this bozo’s head.
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Brings a whole new meaning to Air gun (or Air Rifle)
Add a cork on the end of a length of string, and it’s a more tactical weapon with added noise.
Positively terrifying … 😀
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Brilliant idea. The enemy will die laughing.
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Seriously it’s just religious imagery. One small solar panel to charge the commanders cell phone.
Is like the mafia hit man with his small gold crucifix.
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Do you hear that rumbling noise? Do you feel those tremors? It’s the Russian and Chinese military banging there heads on their desks in uncontrolable laughter.
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Do they have any idea of the energy involved in tank movement?
Solar panels will generate an average of some 200w / m2 over a good day, or about 20 kwh for the whole tank for a whole day.
A tank engine will use about 1,000 kw, operating for about 2 hours a day, or about 2,000 kwh required.
So – 20 kwh generated and 2,000 kwh required. What is wrong with this calculation?
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Ralf, it seems that you’re assuming that the panel surface area is quite large with respect to the size of the tank.
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I was looking at 10m2, which is easily achievable.
The Challenger II is 8 x 3.5 m, so you have 28 m2 to play with.
Don’t forget to multiply by 10, to get kwh during a day.
R
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Don’t forget the access – doors in the side probably won’t work and as the tanks could not be used in forests or anywhere else where the Sun don’t shine they might run out of energy inputs pretty quickly
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🙂
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Overlooked is the power required to keep a tank operational even when static. Multiple radios, laser range finders, night vision , powered optics, powered traverse and elevation, overpressure A/C to defeat heat, and NBC agents.
Simply the guy is nuts and such stupidity makes him a danger to security.
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Ralf:
You’re ruining the Fantasy with real figures.
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…..Peak stupid has been attained!..peak stupid has been attained!
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It’s just a jump to the left. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umj0gu5nEGs&ab_channel=Lex121100
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Are you quite sure? I thought it was infinite.
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Never say peak stupid has been attained. Idiots see it as a challenge to go beyond that.
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It doesn’t even seem to be much of a challenge either.
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If a socialist comrade ever bothered to design a “green tank”. Like Jens Stoltenberg proposes.
Theirs will be better.
It will work in Rain, hail or shine.
And why is that?
They will just borrow a few Uyghurs to push it.
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Do they produce armour in solar panel configuration?
Will it withstand depleted uranium rounds from a helicopter gunship?
Stupid.
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Will it withstand the backblast from firing its own gun?
What about smoke from the battle environment?
Dirt showering down from nearby artillery and other tank rounds?
It MUST be just some political camouflage for deflecting woke criticism of having armed forces in the first place.
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The tank will sparkle in the sunlight.
Helicopter Gunship Pilot: “They don’t even try to hide it:.
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Whilst it doesn’t make much sense it is no more stupid than the ridiculous contract we have with the French for non nuclear way off in the distant future subs.
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Zig — that may well be. But at least we can hide the Subs…
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Subs, Subs, have I got a story of Canadian used Sub purchases from France…
Besides leaking and wiring problems…salt water tends to be corrosive on parts.
One Sub was scrapped for parts after it killed someone in a fire and the other is barely usable.
Welcome to Canada fleet, we buy used garbage for our Military to use.
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Jo said:
How? By sinking them?
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I wonder if Stoltenberg read anything about the recent Armenian/Azerbaijan deadly conflict.
The Armenians had the tanks and the Azerbaijanis had two types of up-to-date highly portable drones.
Result, the tanks were destroyed along with their crews, with almost no loss of Azerbaijani personnel.
Tank warfare is dead.
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When you read and watch the Youtube vids of the Americans fighting ISIS in Iran. ISIS had drones too, and were using them to find the Americans then drive a bomb laden vehicle to that location. Very successful it was.
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I’m sure when a soldier is in a tank being pounded by artillery and his mates are on their way full speed to repel the enemy, the most prominent thought in his head (apart from being glad he wore his brown undies that day) is “Gosh, I hope we can offset today’s’ CO2 emissions by implementing a series of green renewables policies.
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“cease fire! cease fire!, we’ve reached our carbon emissions threshold for today”
“how many rounds do we have left?”
“Ammo is not a problem sir, but we’ve just reached the limits of our extension cord!”
“where are those reinforcements?”
“Sorry sir, all the men are in a bad way, we cant expect help”
“what do you mean?”
“If the pulled hamstrings and groins wont finish them off, the strained calf muscles will”
“damn these pedal powered tanks…”
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That’s all very well but there will be no tanks because there will be no coal to make the steel and no power for electric furnaces to melt down scrap. As none of the alternative energy sources can sustain themselves all will slowly rust away while we go to sea in wooden boats to catch whales to get the oil to light our homes in the ground.
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And to make flowerpots, comments my husband, who worked in a plant nursery in his youth. They used whale hide to make pots for tomatoes and sat them on cinders.
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Meanwhile in those developing countries steel production is booming. For them emissions mean nothing. Am I being paranoid by suggesting that the UN is benefiting China while hamstringing the West in order that the CCP can reign supreme?
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You’re beginning to ‘get it.’
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There’s still plenty of people who think because a Tesla doesn’t have an exhaust pipe, it’s ’emission free’.
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We will see more of this as Biden’s handlers fire any leadership they suspect are loyal to the US Constitution and American people and who have America’s best interests at heart.
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It’s all about caring for the planet. Why have tanks at all in a world of peace and love and windmills? As Joe Biden suggests, it’s all about putting their key performers, transgender soldiers on the front line, perhaps in couples in solar powered tanks with bio degradable bullets and ethanol propellants made from sunflower seeds by happy workers. And accelerate Darwinian selection of the species.
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An M1A2 Abrams main battle tank as used by the US and Australia produces 1500hp, 1120kW from a gas turbine engine and carries 504 US gallons or 420 imperial galllons or 1909 litres of fuel and weighs about 65 tons.
There is simply no way solar panels and batteries could provide that sort of power or energy storage.
It is the same disconnect from reality that leads Leftists to believe that you can replace proper power stations with a few windmills and batteries.
They have no concept of the tremendous energies involved or the difficuties in storing energy in non-chemical forms.
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Maybe just enough to recharge a couple of mobile phones.
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This is all so stupid. Everyone knows that the enemy can’t enter unless they’ve been welcomed to country first.
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[…] Jo Nova wonders about the NATO Chief discussing solar powered battle tanks […]
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Head of NATO, Jens Stoltenberg:
After Copenhagen, UN Secretary-General Ban Ki Moon, commissioned a “High Level” advisory group to look into the issue of Climate Change Financing. It reported just before Cancun in 2010 and produced recommendations for funding the UN Green Climate Fund, seeking to raise $100 billion a year by 2020.
Co-Chairman was Jens Stoltenberg, then Prime Minister of Norway and Leader of the Norwegian Labour Party. The Norwegian Labour Party is a full member of the Socialist International (SI) and the Party of European Socialists (PES). Another former prime minister of Norway and a former vice-president of the Socialist International, Gro Harlem Brundtland, led the UN Commission on Sustainable Development which led to Agenda 21.
The UN High Level panel had as members, amongst others, Lord Nicholas Stern, George Soros and Christine Lagarde, former head of the IMF and now head of the European Central Bank.
The Advisory Group emphasized the importance of a carbon price in the range of US$20-US$25 per ton of CO2 equivalent in 2020 as a key element of reaching the US$100 billion per year. Carbon price varies greatly across the globe, shown here: https://www.i4ce.org/download/global-carbon-account-in-2020/ “Carbon prices as of March 1st, 2020, range from less than USD 1 (approximately EUR 1) to USD 123 (EUR 114) per ton of CO2e, However, more than 75% of emissions regulated by carbon pricing are still covered by a price below USD 10 (EUR 8).
Stern and Stiglitz recommended carbon prices between USD 40 and USD 80 per ton of CO2e by 2020, and between USD 50 and USD 100 per ton of CO2e by 2030. Carbon pricing schemes generated USD 48 billion (EUR 42 billion) in 2019, a slight increase compared with 2018 (USD 45 billion). 53% of the 2019 revenue stems from carbon taxes while the other 47% are generated by carbon quotas.”
Among the proposals put forward by the High Level UN panel were taxes on aviation fuel, airline passenger tickets, and “bunker fuel,” the heavy diesel fuel used by maritime shippers. Much of this has happened, but there must be a shortfall now with the virtual closure of the travel industry.
Carbon taxes were also proposed on carbon emissions in developed countries raised on a per-ton-emitted basis. The UN aim is for a global carbon tax fixed by them. Mega bucks for the global financiers, NGO’s, consultants, economists etc, unaffordable energy prices for the proles.
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Very apt information there… Thank you!
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Perhaps given the enormous release of fossil fuel gases in wars, there should be a UN tax on war? They can take the view that war will be so expensive with carbon taxes that it will be unthinkable. Undeveloped countries including China, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea and Cuba will be exempt of course.
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Jens Stoltenberg for the Nobel Peace Prize
Seriously, this can work.
50 years ago I was reading a comic strip (was it Asterix?)
A battle between the Ancien Brits and the Gauls was in progress, the Brits called for a tea break, to re-charge their batteries. Welcomed and granted. It was the custom.
Aha, we get the Chinese to agree to run all their tanks on solar (no Hong Kong clause in the agreement mind).
he new SALT agreement- solar articulated land tank
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I am reminded of Rep. Hank Johnson querying an admiral about the Island of Guam capsizing if too many troops were stationed there. The admiral handled the situation with charm and dignity, addressing the brain-dead representative from Georgia as if he were a young child with no comprehension of the world around him. You see, we are not allowed to vote for many intelligent people for public office, as that would be a threat to the system. And those that do have an IQ above basement temperature are primarily there for themselves. Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg is a lifelong politician. What he says is what he is supposed to say at this moment in time. Tomorrow will be something different. Being a retired engineer (not in renewables), I can only imagine the size of the solar panel necessary to produce the 1120 Kwh necessary to move a 60 metric ton tank at 45 MPH (18” X 30” produces approx. 100 W). Not to mention the size of the battery required to support night operations. I’m sure the Russians and Chinese would love to see the west make such a change. If Mr. Stoltenberg was serious, he is a fool and should be removed from all positions of authority in NATO. He should then be required to attend basic physics classes to gain some understanding of the physical world in which he lives.
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Would he understand basic physics?
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physics? No. He doesn’t know what an island is.
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Tank driver to Tank captain: The enemy are on us sir, what shall we do?
Deploy parasols!!!
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“Listen kids, let me tell you a story about how won the war with nothing but a few brave hang-gliders and a billion cocktail umbrellas…”
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First time ever in moderation. sigh
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Hmm!
Could it be the last part of the ‘umbrella’ word.
Tony.
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“. . . power to weight ratio . . .”
Solution: use Balsa wood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochroma#Uses
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World war 2, hurricanes and mosquito fighter bombers were made from balsa wood and cloth. Some of the most successful planes of their time
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Mozzie yes, Hurricane no. By the time of the out-break of war, the Hurricane was using an all-metal, stressed-skin wing (introduced April 1939). Its fuselage was fabric-covered metal and wood.
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And the Mozzie wasn’t made of balsa, likely of spruce like Howard Hughs’ Spruce Goose and the PT boats that JFK was wrecked in.
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Watch this video: (inside its first minute!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vpzpOVJ6H8
Balsa.
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and there’s this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh4vazBq-X4
The De Havilland Mosquito.
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The Mosquito wasn’t made of balsa but with balsa (some in the fusilage). Skin was birch and other woods were used where they worked best.
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The answer is simple,the tank runs on electric motors electricity comes from the diesel powered generator towed behind the tank. That should be considered green. That is how it works now diesel,LPG and coal generate the electricity that charges the green car’s we have today don’t ya know.
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Douglas Adams proposed the B Arc.
Our ancestors used banishment.
Hard times let Darwin Rule.
But we in our welfare enclaves,funded with borrowed money,coddle and protect the useless and clueless.
We reward the indolent.
Shower wealth upon wasters.
And then lament our growing indebtedness,weep over the ever growing problem of homelessness,parasitic loafers and general decline..
We will either reach peak stupid,for this cycle,and then reset .
Or we will reach for every more Babylonian levels of incompetence.
Any of us who has had the “experience” of sitting in on a government policy making meeting,will know exactly of what I speak.
So what is it going to be?
Do we have enough hard men with butterfly nets to capture the fools and bandits and banish them from our midst?
For decades the State Capitol and Federal Parliament have served as places of exile for our village idiots.
Was a great joke when the real power resided with the citizenry.
Now the Bureaus Rule and the all seeing hand of utter incompetence reaches into all business and private affairs.
Stupid beyond all parody.
Persons so inept,that they can only find employment in government,now believe they are so much smarter than everyone else,that they must direct all as to how they shall live their lives and how much they MUST Contribute to “Support” the government.
Taxing all aspects of life.
Regulating every minute detail .
Imposing Interfering and demanding we respect their authority.
In fact this Parasitic Overload,is destroying every thing it claims to be supporting.
Total madness,where the useless and clueless believe they are necessary.
Vital even.
The Dread Covid Experience,is a perfect example of what I describe.
If we had no government help,would this Wuhan Flu even be considered a pandemic?
Without the lies,confusion and propaganda spewed by our helpers,would any person be claiming a medical emergency?
And if we had no government..Would any of our rights as free people need defending,as they so desperately do now?
Solar Powered Tanks is a natural for these times.
These are the people “defending our freedoms”.
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Harry,
Before reacting to a temporary lag in apperance of a comment, take a moment to wonder about the odd character of English.
For example, regarding “The enemy are on us …”
Should it be “The enemy is on us …”
Pick one and defend your answer with logic and examples.
On the other hand, realize that computer algorithims, like Al Gore, are inexplicable.
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The Al Goreithm.
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John, so right. The English language, odd, as you say it is, is rich pickings for oddities: singular or plural nouns; subject or object; you name it (I’m sure you will 🙂 )
The enemy? Singular or plural? well, when there are many – that cannot be counted – they are upon us; when there are fewer, there may be one = and is upon us.
Love debating the language. Such rich pickings these days. Cheers!
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‘one = upon us’ = ‘one is upon us”
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Some words are collective nouns and can be used either way.
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So, my (personal) enemy is…singular:; the enemy (country) is/are…singular/plural.
In cricket: England are scoring runs (hopefully!) but England is a country of great natural beauty (true).
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I was stupefied, as stupid as stupid gets.
Where’s Christopher’s solar powered submarines?
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I suppose this stupid guy would be happy to use solar panels made in China. I think he better be investigated to see if he is either insane or a saboteur. Either way he ought to be sacked.
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I have the distinct honour of being the only one thumbed down (so far). Someone must hate my posts a lot.
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Look at the bright side. A weak NATO military will be less useful in suppressing the people in Klaus Scwabb’s and the other Elites’ GREAT RESET. Incidentally, Schwab was born in Nazi Germany… He was seven at the end of the war so old enough to gain a “favourable” view of National Socialism…?
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Here’s a good article about Herr Scwabb and the new totalitarianism (that the Left just love).
https://www.voice.com/post/@brendon/youll-own-nothing-and-youll-be-happy-1607573939-1
Does this sound familiar?
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What I’ve found to be incomprehensible is the total dismissal of the human consequences following on from the “fight back” against the CV19 “pandemic”.
Government “action” and “necessary precautions” seem to be a case of making it appear that something useful is being done by the rulers.
The main street of NovoCastria yesterday morning was “full” of closed shops and business premises for about a mile on both sides: I walked it.
Pain, discouragement in great measure and a very uncertain future for all of us.
And don’t mention education, what education? for the last year.
Victoria, Western Australia and Queensland management know how to milk the Golden Virus Calf for every drop of control.
I couldn’t face reading the latest Cuomo scandal with New York’s nursing homes: maybe next week.
? KK
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It seems that April Fools Day occurs earlier every year.
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According to the climate models and the climate modelers, every day is April Fools Day!
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I fowarded a link to this to our family last night, asking if it was April the 1st again!
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So until all the wrinkles can be ironed out of the solar tanks, all tank from now should have regenerative braking systems, renewable exhaust catalytic converters, and tracks knitted from recycled and renewable materials.
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If the idea by the lunatics is to save lives that otherwise would be lost due to global warming, it would be more prudent just to surrender to the enemy to save the lives of the soldiers as well.
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Here’s a “solar powered” military concept that’s more plausible although it does look like a student CGI exercise.
https://youtu.be/8yKsE9OzIT0
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Too easy to spot them using infra-red.
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Infrared camouflage is possible by controlling either the surface emittance or the surface temperature of the object to be concealed.
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True but at night time it would be hard if the batteries run out 🙂 In any case it’s all getting too sophisticated when the aim in warfare is to defeat the enemy, not save the planet from some mythical CAGW. I suppose that guy thinks it’s more important to focus on the latter. Goes to show how far so many people in high places have fallen for the scam as is the case for most non-thinking people, or are part of it as is the case for people like Turnbull and Al Gore. Either way, such people are a danger to the West and if allowed to continue will inevitably lead to its downfall.
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The ultimate Green Defence force would be a battalion of Warmistas armed only with Solar-Powered Light Sabres.
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Certainly not on the Monash league of military intelligence. I just came from a story about the West becoming measurably dumber, straight into this.
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Maybe I’m simple, but doesn’t it seem the easiest way to eliminate emissions from warfare is not to have wars?
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And making sure one side has renewable balsa wood solar powered or windmill driven tanks with no fossil fuel driven ammunition ensures the end of war. And the start of slavery.
Australia is well on the way with a very Green program now over $200Billion to protect the continent with a few very slow old technology diesel submarines dependent on imported diesel. Does no one see a logical problem with that? Perhaps solar powered submarines too?
They will come for our uranium and gas, which we refuse to use because we care about the planet. And we will perform the Welcome to the Country ceremony invented by Ernie Dingo.
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Yes we could say no to war but that would require all the nations of the word to dispense with their military. Good luck with that one. The more achievable goal is to surrender as soon as the enemy attacks. Good luck with that one too. Perhaps that’s the goal of the left; surrender to China and be done with that. That would not end well for the left as they will be the first to be “re-educated” by the CCP. I suppose that goes to show every cloud has a silver lining.
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Professor Carrol Quigley wrote about this in “The Evolution of Civilizations” (1961) He called it the “institutionalisation of the instruments of expansion”. Where a organisation becomes so large and fragmented that the objectives of key parts of the organisation are no longer in sync with the aims of the organisation itself. Top people then pursue their own agendas at the expense of the overall organisation. A good example was when a senior Australian Army officer in the equality section was calling for a end of the “warrior culture” in the Army because it wasn’t fair on women who wanted promotion to higher levels. Hmmm? That’s going to work our well! One of Quigley’s examples was the dominance of the cavalry officers in the higher ranks of various European armies well after cavalry had become obsolete, which stifled all strategic planning.
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The Cavalry moved onto Tanks and became the Armoured Corps. They kept their horse regimental names and wore black berrets and had silver buttons and badges. They can still wear spurs as part of their uniforms
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Sounds like a potential critique of our business ecology in the making.
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Bjorn Lomborg checks out more of the Binden + DEM’S idiocy and the TOTAL waste of endless TRILLIONS of $ for a very definite ZERO return on their so called investment.
Do Solar powered tanks and their other lunacies come from the ravings of a Marvel comic book idea?
And of course ZERO measurable change to the climate or temp by 2100 and beyond.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/02/14/bidens-climate-fix-is-fantastically-expensive-and-perfectly-useless-bjorn-lomborg/
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As I have always written, whatever happens with the climate, CO2 is in rapid worldwide equilibrium and we cannot affect CO2 levels even if we wanted to do so. Total fossil fuel CO2 would be under 5% as it is rapidly sucked into the ocean to maintain the ratio of 98:2.
It is common knowledge that 98% of all free CO2 is simply dissolved under pressure in the vast deep oceans which cover most of the planet. Any increase in atmospheric CO2 is due to a slight increase in water surface temperature, nothing more. Warming increases CO2. Simple basic science of dissolved gases.
And as an island continent of the 2% of the world’s population South of the Tropic of Capricorn, all our CO2 comes from overseas. So we tax ourselves and private companies buy foreign windmills and solar panels, sending at least $6Billion overseas for nothing. Non science Green masochism. Very profitable for some.
And we will defend ourselves eventually with French diesel submarines which are worse than the ones we already have. Perhaps they should be tidal powered? Or solar? Or wind? Who expects sails on a submarine? Only in Australia. And NATO.
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Bjorn Lomborg has arrived at the conclusion that by the end of this century, over $100 trillion will have been spent to possibly achieve a lowering of the earth’s temperature by 0.3 degrees Fahrenheit. Now that’s money well-spent not. ToM
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And that assumes the whole thing is true, which it is not. Nothing has been proven in 32 years of this. And not one of the thousands of dire predictions have come true. At what point will people wake up that the seas have not risen, their world is cooler, not warmer and increased CO2 is the best thing possible for a world which needs food and all food, all life on earth is made from CO2 and only CO2, H2O and sunshine. And coal saved the world.
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I would really love to know what on earth earned a red thumb? What exactly was wrong? Or is it just automatic, which is a sort of compliment.
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Bjorn is in error by 0.3°F.
Human origin CO2 has no influence on the planet’s atmospheric temperature.
PV=nRT.
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He did say “possibly”. ToM
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Within 1,000 years !!!
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Party poppers, pea-shooters and water pistols; way to go! 😉
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Dont worry, it will happen here in Australia pretty soon. You have to remember all government departments have full time personnel working on ways to reduce their carbon footprint. In fact, Brett Sutton, the CMHO for Victoria (you know, Dan Andrews side kick )main job before COVID hit was to reduce the carbon footprint of Victorian hospitals. Not preparing the state for a pandemic such as putting together a decent contact tracing team. Nup – bolting as many solar panels to hospital roofs as he could find. There will be a couple of these type of people lurking around Department of Defence in Canberra doing similar things. In fact, upon reading Stoltenberg comments they would probably think ” Hey, you know what, that’s a good idea”.
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Remember the idea some years ago to build roads with textured and speciality hardened solar panels? Of course the idea was a flop due to the cost.
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Even the local councils have them. They are usually called Sustainability officers or similar. Really just virtue signalling officers. Usually they start first with solar panels on buildings etc, then attempt to replace some of the municipality vehicles with EV’s. Bike tracks of course. Their other obsession – having multiple rubbish/ recycle bins with the different colours. The latest being the purple lidded ones – which is glass. Solar lighting in parks is another.
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Yes, I do. I think the French spent millions on a road somewhere and it lasted about 2 years before it was deemed useless.
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I believe these were put quiet roads and theoretically would stand up to the traffic but no, the traffic killed them off and they didn’t perform as expected.
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By far the best idea for saving us all from spontaneous combustion was the driveway made from p.v. tiles. The only drawback was the unforeseen (by the warmy whiz kids who dreamt up this obvious non-idea) circumstance of vehicles actually driving on it which damaged the surface and the fact that vehicles parking on it cast too much shade to enable any solar collecting. Sheer genius. Reminds me of the old joke regarding the clairvoyant convention cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances.
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Tdef I understand all that, but even Dr Christy knows that all that data/evidence doesn’t interest the LEFTY extremists in the slightest.
He’s explained it all a zillion times to the clueless USA DEMS and he says they just YELL LOUDER. See his talk to the GWPF in London where puts all of their so called CAGW to the test.
And Lomborg, Shellenberger, Jo Nova etc understand there’s ZIP chance of an apocalypse or crisis or urgency at all. And they’re using data straight from the UN IPCC reports to prove the point.
https://www.thegwpf.com/putting-climate-change-claims-to-the-test/
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GEEEZZZ I’m locked in moderation AGAIN. Why, I didn’t swear or test any boundaries that I’m aware of, except refer to Lomborg, Shellenberger and Jo etc?
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My point is not radiation science like Dr. Christie’s story of radiation, absorption, reflection and more. The fact that CO2 has gone up 50% in a century is demonstrably nothing to do with human activity. You can measure fossil fuel CO2 with radioactive Carbon 14 and fossil fuel CO2 is tiny in the atmosphere, under 5%.
So there is no point building windmills, putting up solar panels and shutting down coal power generation and there are now 7 billion people on the planet, 6 billion more than a century ago with no provable effect on temperature. So why are Western democracies alone in punishing themselves? It’s a great United Nations scam and has nothing to do with science.
As for tiny Australia, with a whole third of the planet to ourselves, mainly water, it is beyond insane to aim for the fantasy of local ‘carbon neutrality’. Useless, pointless Green self flagellation, government run. It’s all about the $1.5Trillion a year and after 32 years of this, surely it’s obviously not true? Science is about matching predictions to fact and no prediction has been right.
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Me sees a Black Adder plot here, cunning in the extreme. Surely such a dignitary could not be this stupid so it opens up to a cunning plan. Yes to shame the commies into doing the same thus enabling NATO and Joe Bidet to out do Trump and have no new wars. Imagine all those military budget dollars flowing into welfare programmes, the BLM and of course The Clinton Foundation(s).
But maybe the dignitary is that stupid! I must re-read Neville Shute’s book On the Beach to garner some ideas for the near future.
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This is obviously a stupid idea, there is no question of that.
However underestimating these people by saying they are stupid will be our undoing.
This whole exercise is about undoing our defence capability in plain sight and getting as much buy in as possible to sure up the distraction, while other subversion is going on in the background.
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Glad someone else has also recognised what’s going on. Too bad the vast majority of people don’t and continue to live their lives as though there is nothing wrong with the world and keep voting for the same stupid major political parties expecting a different result each time. Why change anyway so they believe, everything is going fine, LOL. Nice to be in a dream state for a while but eventually reality bites. Oh well, as usual we will have to learn things the hard way.
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Jo it’s so good to come to a free speech site where people aren’t banned for wrong think. Conservatives can speak freely here, even Leftists can do so – unlike conservatives on Leftist sites like FB etc..
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David, you could add I to that. FBI hid Hunter Biden’s laptop.
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Biden
Laptop
still
Matters
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Dennis,
Do you actualy believe Hunter’s laptop does not matter?
It is extremely important. Now under investigation it proves the commander in chief of USA is involved with the Chinese bank.
Maybe his laptop is solar powered!
That is a far more modern weapon than a tank.
Who needs tanks when you can steal elections?
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“still Matters”.
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The tragedy is the suggestion will be applauded by millions of sheeple. He’ll get a Nobel prize alongside Greta.
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Also, as the people are applauding with their hands they get shafted via you knwo what.
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And a good bit of kit to go with the tanks would be solar-powered night vision goggles. ToM
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My goodness how ridiculous. I’m going to come back here and unload on NATO after I find the source and read the whole thing in context.
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we can hardly wait
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“I’m going to come back here and unload on NATO after I find the source and read the whole thing in context.”
Well there’s this:
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/europe/nato-chief-suggests-battle-tanks-with-solar-panels-as-militaries-go-green-1.1160313
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Almost as ridiculous as thinking you can run an industrial civilisation on windmills, solar panels and big batteries, aye, Gee Aye?
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World Economic Forum, non-government organisation, source of the “Great Reset” agenda, “build back better (from COVID-19 economy)” and “new Green deal”.
On Sky New Outsiders last Sunday Rowan Dean discussed the Australian-New Zealand arm of Great Reset, our Chartered Accountants are being recruited to participate, the motivator is;
https://www.charteredaccountantsanz.com/news-and-analysis/media-centre/press-releases/ca-anz-board-appoints-ainslie-van-onselen-as-ceo
But alongside at the planned conference will be the Australian Treasurer and New Zealand Treasurer.
Despite the above, as Rowan covered with a video, PM Morrison spoke against Great Reset while he was in the UK recently and spoke about defending sovereignty.
Once again we can see the split between the globalist socialist leftists and the real centre-right Liberal and National MPs.
Reset in short means stealing all the people’s personal assets, forcing us to be welfare dependent (living wage), renting a home and owning nothing …. and, according to the would be masters, we would be happier.
This is an extension of climate based hoax as the new grand solar minimum becomes more obvious, colder weather developing. And an attempt to capitalise on the restrictions, lockdowns and policing during the COVID-19 pandemic – “build back better”, “new Green deal”.
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Readers might recall the recent news about woke ANZ personnel deciding against financing anything coal related.
Even a not coal container port within Newcastle Harbour which has our largest coal loading facilities.
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The Great Reset – Rowan Dean presents;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9jHarsL9r8&feature=youtu.be
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The Spectator explains The Great Reset;
https://www.spectator.com.au/2020/11/what-is-the-great-reset/
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Everyone seems to be in a bright mood today. Maybe it was Trump’s victory that has allowed everyone to relax and enjoy haired brained stupidity.
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He didn’t win. He simply didn’t lose. It’s everyone else who lost, including the Democrat party who are terrified he will return and pick up where he left off. Especially Comey, both Clintons, McConnell and a long list of people in the FBI, CIA, the Democrat party, who broke so many laws and have not been prosecuted, yet. For them it was a fight to stay out of jail. Trump has retreated, not retired. The count down starts. The first is to retake Congress in two years. Then the impeachments will start and they will be successful.
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You win a chook raffle unless you get rid of the fraud first
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https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/11/politics/2022-senate-elections-trump/index.html
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Clearly this is war aged against us. Can we trace whose behind this? If it wasn’t a form of warfare then the lunatics who were pushing this sort of thing would find coping in day to day life too difficult. They would have to stand down and go on the sickness benefit. We have to stop assuming that there is a lack of malice to these ideas.
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Someone who doesn’t understand the energy requirements for a battle tank shouldn’t be in charge of NATO, or anything, in fact.
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Chartered Accountants ANZ, Australian Treasurer, New Zealand Treasurer – The Great Reset
https://www.charteredaccountantsanz.com
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Im certain China would agree we should do this
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Sure. They must look at Western stupidity and their confidence would go through the roof. I find it is very fortunate for us that India is right next door to them. Those Indian soldiers are tough guys. And the Indians haven’t gone crazy or anything.
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China is probably already manufacturing those tanks. For OS sales only of course.
They’ll be pitched as “light and nimble”.
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I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again.
There is no problem with solar-powered tanks as long as you cover the panel with heavy armour to protect it.
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Then there is the actual use of the tank’s armament.
Those of us who have been too close to a Main Battle Tank when the main armament cuts loose, will be aware of the blast wave that emanates from the muzzle of that big gun. Any odds and ends not lashed securely to the tank hull or turret, flaps about or simply flies off.
Glass-covered solar panels would simply become expensive confetti.
Note also that when you see images of serious tanks in an actual area of operations, such vehicles are usually “slick”; no extraneous stuff on the outside of the vehicle. This usually indicates that the tank is either going into action post haste or has just come out of action.
And never mind the actual physics of power sources and power to weight ratios.
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While on the subject of the sensitivity of “clean renewables” to external conditions, the Epoch Times has a story of imminent powere outages in Texas due to “unprecedented” cold weather. Seems that wind turbines are freezing up – who would have thunk it,
The president responded to requests for federal assistance from Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Sen. Ted Cruz, and Sen. John Cornyn, ordering the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) and Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) to supplement state and local response efforts. The emergency declaration covers all 254 counties in the state.
It came after the Electric Reliability Council of Texas (ERCOT), the nonprofit organization that operates the state’s power grid, warned that it may have no choice but to impose rolling outages in the state on Monday and Tuesday as conditions deteriorate, and demand for electricity surges beyond the grid’s capacity.
Cruz said on Sunday that more than 23,000 Texans had already experienced a lost of power.
“We are experiencing record-breaking electric demand due to the extreme cold temperatures that have gripped Texas,” ERCOT CEO Bill Magness said in a press release on Sunday. “At the same time, we are dealing with higher-than-normal generation outages due to frozen wind turbines and limited natural gas supplies available to generating units. We are asking Texans to take some simple, safe steps to lower their energy use during this time.”
https://www.theepochtimes.com/biden-approves-emergency-declaration-for-texas-amid-energy-emergency-deadly-winter-storm_3696746.html
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Global warming at work, apparently. But frozen windmills?
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Half of them frozen? That’s amazing. On the other side, output has not dropped because the other half are spinning faster in the winter storm. Climate Change is funny like that. Warming freezes things but the freezing wind is so fierce it compensates. Exactly as predicted by warmists.
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I wonder about the NATO chief. Bows and Arrows nest – at least they are environmentally friendly. May be he had just seen the film “The Mouse that Roared”
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Obviously what the army needs is a Dinochrome Combat Unit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolo:_Annals_of_the_Dinochrome_Brigade
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From my days in high school cadets I still remember the essentials of camouflage; Size, shape, shadow, silhouette, SHINE, and movement. Even that cross-eyed magpie in whose hands our military so perilously rests, would know that putting glass on anything you wanted to conceal is the ultimate act of stupidity.
At least I think he would know that. But given that he’s never been in a combat role in his life he probably doesn’t. Ergo, idiotic suggestions like this would likely find fertile ground to in which to grow in Canberra.
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I can imagine that NATO would be thoroughly in step with diversity and inclusion quotas, so I’m guessing the solar powered tank idea came from some purple and green haired 22 year old with a degree in enviro-lesbianism. Having employed her, they are now stuck with spending 600 million Euros on “exploring the concept” otherwise they might get accused of some ‘ism’. The brave NATO chiefs are terrified of that.
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Half of Texas wind turbines freeze.
https://www.breitbart.com/environment/2021/02/15/half-of-texas-wind-turbines-freeze-hurting-electricity-output/
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https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/turbines-freeze-texas-cold-snap-shutting-nearly-half-wind-energy-west-texas/
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Interesting and frightening at the same time.
Maybe this will see an early start to the “Great Reset” in Texas with the installation of real power generation.
From cradle to grave wind turbines are the epitome of Peak Stupid.
Everything about them is the exact opposite of what is claimed by the “ethical environmentalists” and those who profit from their being.
One thing is for sure, they are of no benefit to the general public who are being treated appallingly by the politicians environmentalists and associated scammers.
The current situation demonstrates clearly the scientific truth of our situation in the universe it’s cold out there and rather than overheating, our greatest danger lies in not being able to hold on to our meagre daily ration of solar energy.
Humanity astounds me.
KK
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I have read, so I do not know for sure, but, if you sum all the energy required to produce an industrial wind generator and compare that number to the total energy produced during the life of the generator, the energy required to make far exceeds the energy produced by the unit. Could not exists as an industry without taxpayers making up the difference.
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Right on; and if you tried to design an engineering nightmare it would be hard to beat Wind Turbines.
They fail at every checkpoint.
KK
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And a manufacturing economy based on expensive, unreliable renewables would be soundly beaten by those which simply use fossil fuels. You can have a green powered industrial economy – but it will be a mothballed failure in the real world.
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Jo,
Just wanted to let you know there is an unmitigated disaster going on in Texas at the moment due to these misguided environmental policies. Billions and Billions of taxpayer dollars had been spent over the last twenty years in Texas to build hundreds of thousands of huge windmills for power generation. There was no market for the power sho that used various techniques to force in in to the grid, rendering new coal fired plants and parts of existing ones redundant.
This was supposed to protect everyone from global warming. There is a massive freeze now in Texas and all the windmills are frozen. The conventional plants can’t keep up. Many can’t heat their homes. Many will die.
FYI
Matt
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there are over 10,700 wind turbines currently operating in Texas
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It shows you how fashions affect even the military. Transgender, Green tanks, peace in our time. And the tank in the photo is wonderfully Green.
It is not the job of the military to be Green eco sensitive, gender issues social activists avoiding trigger words and trying not to hurt feelings. Their job is to defend the country against violent deadly attack, not get into debates about alleged Climate Extinction.
The 50 million people killed in WWII were not killed by climate change. Nor the 100 million by the flu which ended WW1 by exclusively killing young men in the trenches. Man made Climate Extinction is utter fantasy. Bioweapons, chemical weapons, nerve gas, nuclear weapons are real, but let’s talk about coastal erosion and the Great Barrier Reef and how the farmers, cows and sheep need to be punished and culled.
The United Nations was created to end war and stop pandemics. At present it is the problem pushing Climate Extinction and the WHO created to prevent pandemics by coordinated rapid international action is an abject failure controlled now by the Chinese government while the United States and Europe are under siege by a single bioweapon and Green politicians demanding an end to representative democracy and energy independence.
And the newly EU independent UK is miles ahead in innoculating Britons against Wuhan Flu. And yes, with 65 cities in China over a million people, Wuhan is the site of the military Wuhan Viral Institute. Which is just a coincidence.
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He has no idea what he is talking about. But he has just come back from the Davos gang’s latest jamboree with a fresh set of instructions from the Schwabenfuhrer.
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