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David Archibald speaking in Perth Saturday: Pro coal, pro choice for vaccinationFYI for Perth readers: There’s a protest at the WA Parliament on Saturday for those who think Western Australia needs coal power and free choice about medical procedures. Shouldn’t citizens be able to decide what gets injected? 10am – 11:30am, Saturday 6th March, Parliament House Perth, Western Australia. Click for more information.  David Archibald … The short killer summary:
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Forced vaccinations is done only to livestock I had thought until now.
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Well you are the sheeple!
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Many awakened people are realizing that our government is trying to genocide our elderly.
This new experimental vaccination right into every ones arms without any time to see what it actually does and many have died from this vaccination.
In the government and politicians sense, they’ve outlived their usefulness and now a hindrance on this system.
Voluntary euthanasia that our corrupted media hides.
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Nine people have died from the vaccine in Canada so far. There are many more who likely died from the vaccine, but if they don’t die imediately after the jab then they aren’t counted.
But OTOH, if they die in a flaming car crash it counts as a Covid death. Neat huh?
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BBC
There was the one case of a motorcyclist dying in a crash and being counted as a Covid victim.
Its still likely less people will die due to complications from the vaccine than the illness but it’s strange that you don’t get a choice of whether to trust or not. Surely you are safe from an idiot who didn’t? It’s not like it’s a disease that kills the young, so why mandatory?
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R.B. Bear in mind, more than 1 in 2 citizens probably “have an underlying health condition” by the time you add up people over 60, overweight, with asthma, cancer, heart disease and high blood pressure. That’s not a line of argument you want to pursue.
Case Fatality Rate in Australia = 3%.
Let’s stay on target. Long term immunity from the vaccine has not been demonstrated. Immunity to the many variants is unknown. There are risks of ADE. This is a cluster spreading disease, with potentially short lived immunity even in natural infections. It is not like the influenza which spreads with a un-clustered R factor and provokes lifelong immunity through natural infection.
The real point is that we should have the choice to use antivirals and that the “immunity passports” from vaccination may not mean anything.
Imagine a world where travellers could opt for using ivermectin + Zn + D + ? for their journey rather than a vaccine? Why won’t they do the studies on prophylactic use of the many anti-virals… and we all know the answer.
A cocktail of antivirals may offer better protection from all the different strains out there — including from strains we don’t know about yet.
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“Imagine a world where travellers could opt for using ivermectin + Zn + D + ? for their journey rather than a vaccine?”
This post is focussing on the treatment with a vaccine or vaccines and states: “Long term immunity from the vaccine has not been demonstrated. Immunity to the many variants is unknown.”
This report on the use of invermectin https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/ states
“There are insufficient data for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19.”
so how is this any different from let alone better than vaccines?
With regards to HCQ the report
https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/antiviral-therapy/chloroquine-or-hydroxychloroquine-with-or-without-azithromycin/
states
Chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine, with or without azithromycin, have been studied in multiple clinical trials for the treatment of COVID-19. The recommendations below are based on an assessment of the collective evidence from these studies.
With regard to HCQ the report recommends agains treatment There are insufficient data for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel (the Panel) to recommend either for or against the use of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of ivermectin in the treatment of COVID-19.
I do not follow your rationale in promoting Ivermectin and HCQ .It seems that to justify your promotion of these compounds yo write
Imagine a world where travellers could opt for using ivermectin + Zn + D + ? for their journey rather than a vaccine? Why won’t they do the studies on prophylactic use of the many anti-virals… and we all know the answer.”
Yes Jo we do “all know the answer” and it ain’t BigPharma but the findings from properly conducted large scale studies. Here are some findings from these studies
“In a large randomized controlled trial of hospitalized patients in the United Kingdom, hydroxychloroquine did not decrease 28-day mortality when compared to the usual standard of care. ”
In another randomized controlled trial that was conducted in Brazil, neither hydroxychloroquine alone nor hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin improved clinical outcomes among hospitalized patients with mild to moderate COVID-19.
“In addition to these randomized trials, data from large retrospective observational studies do not consistently show evidence of a benefit for hydroxychloroquine with or without azithromycin in hospitalized patients with COVID-19. For example, in a large retrospective observational study of patients who were hospitalized with COVID-19, hydroxychloroquine use was not associated with a reduced risk of death or mechanical ventilation”
And because I do not believe in omitting data that are not supportive of my argument
“Conversely, a large retrospective cohort study reported a survival benefit among hospitalized patients who received either hydroxychloroquine alone or hydroxychloroquine plus azithromycin, compared to those who received neither drug.However, patients who did not receive hydroxychloroquine had a lower rate of admission to the intensive care unit, which suggests that patients in this group may have received less-aggressive care.
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Odd ivermectin cures covid in some countries and not in others.
Something stinks, nazi evil, about Covid Medical ‘research’.
Something stinks about the Health Industry/Medical research concerning the general population’s Vitamin D deficiency and the general population’s ignorance as to what Vit. D does in the body.
The logical, natural way to protect the population from covid, from common cancers, from type 2 diabetes, and so on) would be to cure the Vitamin D deficiency.
US Covid Deaths = 502,000 People, 28 million cases
India Covid Deaths = 156,000 People, 11 Million cases
This is an interesting article.
India and Bangladesh has defeated/is defeating covid using invermectin. And of course the people in India and Bangladesh are less Vitamin D deficient than most Western countries because of latitude and living conditions.
“The economy is flying,” Dr. Tarek Alam, who led several studies on the drug’s efficacy, told me in an email. “Hospitals have empty COVID beds and the initial demand for ICU has come down.” Indeed, Bangladesh – the world’s most densely populated country — has an even lower fatality rate than India, ranking 126th globally.
https://trialsitenews.com/an-unlikely-nation-is-kicking-this-pandemic-guess-which-then-why/
This was no small move. Were it a country, U.P.’s more than 230 million citizens would rank it fifth worldwide. As India’s largest state, its embrace of ivermectin may have changed the treatment landscape across India.
“This authentication of ivermectin revived the faith of people,” Dr. Chaurasia told me, “and net result was a massive inclination to take these drugs” — both ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine.
By the end of 2020, Uttar Pradesh — which distributed free ivermectin for home care — had the second-lowest fatality rate in India at 0.26 per 100,000 residents in December. Only the state of Bihar, with 128 million residents, was lower, and it, too, recommends ivermectin.
But Uttar Pradesh did more than treat 300,000 mild cases at home through 2020; it also opted to use ivermectin to prevent infection. It seems a young health officer’s COVID response teams had taken the drug and remained well – something prophylaxis studies support. U.P. then had contacts of COVID patients take it, with similar success. “Recognizing the sense of urgency,”
Amit Mohan Prasad, a U.P. health official, wrote in a Dec. 30 article, “we decided to go ahead.”
Such urgency is in short supply in the U.S., where the single-minded focus is on vaccination. Nonetheless, a group of doctors called Frontline COVID Critical Care Alliance is pressing for adoption of ivermectin immediately as an adjunct and bridge to vaccination.
Its logic is twofold: Ivermectin has a known safety profile, as a life-saving drug given to millions since the 1980s, and 46 COVID studies, including 18 peer-reviewed, have shown “high efficacy.”
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Reply to William Astley
America’s Frontline Doctors founder, Dr Simone Gold, was arrested last week, a team of twenty FBI with guns broke her front door, she was handcuffed and dragged off.
There is very big money involved here.
lifesitenews.com/news/frontline-doctor-fbi-broke-down-my-door-in-swat-team-raid-of-20-men-guns-blazing
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Here is the study of adverse effects for 2 1/2 months for the vaccinations.
https://www.algora.com/Algora_blog/2021/03/04/460-dead-243612-reported-injuries-from-covid-19-vaccines-reported-in-the-u-k
Quite the multitude of side effects, infections and deaths for such a short period of time.
460 deaths and 243,612 injuries.
This is back in January 2020 before any variants started and in the testing phase.
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The argument was why would you be concerned if someone choses not to. I would take the vaccine if one of the two, and not only am I over 50 but looking after a father who wouldn’t survive, so little choice for my self even though reacting badly to flu jabs. Since vaccines aren’t perfect, a greater than 80% up take by the public would be good for us. Not sure why the remaining 20% need to be harassed, though.
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Which vaccine was it and how old were those that died?
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Brands mentioned in the linked paper. Age info would be in the UK Gov paper linked from -algora.
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Yep. Herd immunity is for cattle. Beware of those who use the term ‘herd immunity’ for humans. Its use this way has portentious connotations. If you are using that term it could be a sign of
a brainwash in progress.
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What term should we be using?
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“Herd immunity is for cattle.”
THAT statement is bovine manure.
If that term bothers you then use ‘community immunity’ but do not expect me to bow to any more language banning. I have had my fill of that!
ILLUSTRATION:
https://miro.medium.com/max/953/1*oicerhCYH62_7CZ6p81vIA.png
EXPLANATION:
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In the USA forced vaccination is done on NEW BORNS which is completely idiotic! Babies get a first jab (Hepatitis B) at birth and the rest of the first jabs by two months. By the time they are 6 months old they have bee vaccinated two to three times.
First shots by two months??? THAT IS STUPID!
“Vaccines are not very successful in young lambs, 1-2 months of age.” — Susan Schoenian DVM
We do not vaccinate sheep or goats or horses until weaning. Instead we VACCINATE THE MOMS. The first milk (colostrum) will then confer immunity.
Three decades ago, US government officials were ordering doctors to give children 23 doses of 7 vaccines and, today, that direct order is up to 70 doses of 16 vaccines.
Here is the US Vaccination schedule for children. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/schedules/hcp/imz/child-adolescent.html#vaccines-schedule
1987 ‘Limited’ Liability LAW:
42 U.S. Code § 300aa–22 – Standards of responsibility
For sheep:
Sheep 201: Flock vaccinations written by Susan Schoenian, Sheep & Goat Specialist at the University of Maryland’s Western Maryland Research & Education Center in Keedysville, Maryland.
Lambs and goats are usually weaned at 2 to 3 months, horses at 4 to 6 months. Lambs and goats live to mid teens, horses into there 20s and 30s. Human babies who are weaned naturally sometime between 2 and 4 years of age. Humans live into their 70s and 80s.
The ONLY reason to be vaccinating newborns is $$$$ especially since there are no legal repercussions for problems caused by the vaccinations.
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Forwarded this to family in Perth.
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As mentioned so many times previously I welcomed the Polio vaccine and felt confident that the government had done everything possible to ensure it would be safe and do the job.
Unfortunately with the politics of the World in Its current state I am very, very, very concerned about the COVID19 vaccine.
In so many ways trust has been betrayed.
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As one mouse said to another mouse concerning the entirely new 19 vaccine…“they haven’t finished human testing yet”..
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As one mouse said to another mouse concerning the entirely new 19 vaccine…“they haven’t finished human testing yet”..
Hi all
I do not think my comment above was too uncommently at all. What has happened to the blog site when once it was a bastion of free speech and opinion, no matter how diverse?
I will admit i am not up to date with the latest laws and regulations.
[The various automatic filters have been causing trouble lately. It is not personal! Please be patient and look for messages from the mods if you continue to have problems.]ED
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I think this passage from WebMD show WHY they are saying this injection does not stop you from transmitting the disease as a real Vaccine would. You can not force ALL people to get the injection if ‘herd immunity’ is achieved when 65% volunteer therefore you have to have an excuse to FORCE vaccination on ALL people.
If the injection does not work like every other vaccine does (cause you to develop antibodies) then what in Hades IS IT DOING??
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Lucky that in this case i have really stood by my friends the mice. Yes, they are beginning to be skeptical about these constant tests they did not subscribe to 🙂
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Dr David Bellamy was cancelled by the BBC, so we got non-scientists like David Attenborough and Chris Packham instead.
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Best wishes to those attending.
Compulsory vaccination- stopping this is difficult, governments have created so many loopholes.
Example in Australia- At present with the current vaccinations, families lose government benefits if the children are not vaccinated. This is how socialism via the welfare state develops into an instrument of compulsion. It is not compulsory, but you lose benefits already paid for as a taxpayer.
It starts with the vaccines with long history, there are very few dissidents against these.
The trust of the public is gained and used for these Wuhan virus vaccines with experimental emergency status. We are told they are safe after testing for less than a year while the development time for vaccines is usually 5 to 10 years. One type, the mRNA, is strictly speaking not a vaccine, it may have problems un-noticed for years.
We are forbidden from knowing which one we are designated to get. There are three contenders to be available this year, one of them is the mRNA type.
Once vaccinated:
Will there be no travel restrictions?
No lockdowns?
No mask requirement?
No signing in at public venues?
No tracing of movements?
Or, what is the target level of vaccination for removal of the above restrictions?
Presumably this level implies herd immunity. But the current vaccines do not prevent an individual from catching the virus, getting symptoms (they says the chance of death is lower) or spreading it, so achievement of herd immunity, even if possible, is pushed further into the future.
Meanwhile prohibitions/restrictions continue for the medications that do in fact work as cures for this virus. Politicians are vilified and doctors are under threat of de-registration for advocating them. This of course is to protect big pharma, but when government has fully paid for the vaccines, billions for several doses per capita, the financial threat has gone so the prohibitions should be removed.
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One of the most important aspects about all this is the virus is mutating/morphing and there is no guarantee that the current vaccines will help. Then there is the real prospect of completely different viruses to come. It’s clear the “cures” can so easily be far worse than the diseases. Although prevention is better than cure, acceptance that we all die should also be taken into account, and so the rush towards vaccinating everyone now and into the future is not the way to go. Not just because I don’t trust them, I don’t believe we can defeat nature that simply.
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Lucky, that’s an outstanding summary.
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This is disturbing news if true:
Death Rates Skyrocket in Israel Following Pfizer Experimental COVID “Vaccines”
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Thank you for that link PeterS. Shocking revelations but well worth a look.
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Very disturbing PeterS. I’d like to know more about it.
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I’m sure that some guy on a blog will write more at some point.
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https://lockdownsceptics.org/2021/03/05/latest-news-304/#what-is-happening-with-mortality-in-israel
There you go.
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https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps
Scroll down, you’ll find Israel
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Thanks mwhite.
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At 1.30 am this morning Wind Power is producing
a MASSIVE 16 Mega Watts from one “farm” out of
the available 15. Kalbarri has not been working for months.
This is from about 1,013.7 name plate.
Just what industry and the people of Western Australia
need. I don’t think.
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Jo,
Donna Laframboise has two recent posts looking into the growing number of sudden deaths being reported in the US post-vaccination (nearly 1000 already). Her most recent post highlights some consistent symptoms and timeframes.
https://nofrakkingconsensus.com/
No indication of death rate per 100,000 vaccinated as yet. Tip of an iceberg? Who knows.
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CDC data. deaths attributable to vaccination, 929.
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And the CDC will ONLY report those deaths they can not explain away.
The managers are all Obama’s unfirable Senior Executive Service so not people I would trust.
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I haven’t made up my mind yet about the jab and I’m certainly not an anti vaxxer.
BTW the global warming extremists are now telling us we must decrease co2 emissions ten fold to fight their so called climate crisis/ emergency etc.
And of course no difference to co2 levels for at least 1,000 years, but they ignore that conclusion from other PR studies like Zickfeld et al.
OH and their answer is more dirty, toxic, dilute and environment destroying S&W . And this needs replacing every 20 years and also their toxic mess as well.
This will never outlast the electoral cycle, because voters will see no benefit at all and there will be regular power failures all around the world + lower std of living + loss of industries and jobs. And it will cost a fortune for a guaranteed ZERO return on their so called investment.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9321349/Global-CO2-emissions-need-decrease-tenfold-scientists-warn.html?mc_cid=4c85470a4b&mc_eid=dcbe0ef09b
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Meanwhile most countries ignore the FR-UDULENT Paris agreement and hopefully Scotland COP 26 will be as big a disaster as Paris in 2015.
https://www.thegwpf.com/world-feigns-climate-concern-as-nations-ignore-paris-agreement/
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Visited my doctor yesterday, was told I could get the vaccine next visit.
I declined, and said I was not an anti vaxxer, but would like to wait for the moment.
I also suggested a course of hydroxychloroquinne if I did contract it, which was met with an exclamation of, “Oh, a Trump person!”
Obviously an elitist Biden lover.
I’m kicking myself for not asking how many genders he thinks there is.
I am contemplating a new doctor.
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The stats for HCQ suggest that it is a long way short of 100% effective as a preventative. Worth doing, within safety limits, but get Budesonide (prescription needed) too. Take as advised, but that is likely to be on first symptoms. It’s anti-inflammatory and the coronavirus kills by inflaming the lungs, so while Budesonide doesn’t cure the coronavirus it does stop it killing you. And it’s cheap and reportedly extremely effective. If your doctor won’t prescribe it, ………
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What you are saying is of course technically true. However one study that included high-dose vitamin D3 with the HCQ had a success rate of 100%. Small single hospital study I think. Basically if you get all your ducks in a row the Covid ought not be too threatening.
Another study was misleading with regards to the claim you are making. As I said its a technically correct claim. But one study took people who were already prescribed HCQ and compared their likelihood of catching Covid with that of the general publics. They found that HCQ was ineffective. But this was just silly. Because these people were being treated for auto-immune diseases. They already had a highly compromised immune system in other words. So I hope thats not where you are getting your information from.
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To be effective you need Zinc + HCQ or another ionophore.
PLUS Vitamin C and D3.
PLUS an antibiotic and as you said an anti-inflammatory.
Selenium is also a good virus Fighter.
Selenium, Selenoproteins and Viral Infection
I think that Covid hits the aged esp those in homes because of their poor nutrition.
….Pasta, rice, canned fruit & veggies, little meat especially zinc containing beef…..
Is it any wonder the elderly are at risk???
Zinc, aging, and immunosenescence: an overview
Early Nutritional Interventions with Zinc, Selenium and Vitamin D for Raising Anti-Viral Resistance Against Progressive COVID-19
And yes I did a LOT of research on viruses vs nutrition over the last couple of years and I am healthier and feeling better than I did twenty years ago.
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The Steyn versus Mann case drags on, but it’s always interesting to remember what other scientists have written about Michael ( “A disgrace to the profession” ) Mann and why this science junk donkey should be ignored.
Thanks to Mark Steyn for telling and compiling the truth about him and we can only hope we see a judgement in Steyn’s favour sometime this decade.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2021/03/04/steyn-files-new-motion-in-perpetual-case/
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I didn’t realise that vaccinations were compulsory. I too am pro choice. More power to that message.
Is he bringing a dead David Bellamy with him?
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It does say below the photo that he died in 2019. Must be a video of the old guy having a go at renewables!
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No Figleaf! We have your dead hand on these pages. We don’t need a “dead David Bellamy” to add balance.
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Western Australia Public Health Act 2016 section 158
.. person may be restrained, .. to enable vaccination if an “authorised officer” requires.
So answer to Gee Aye – compulsory- yes,
and
Yes, he brings with the spirit of David Bellamy.
See you there protesting?
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Gee,
We are adults and should make an informed choice.
Polio, tetanus, rabies if bitten or a vet, thyphus, typhoid if visiting a place where those are a problem? HECK YEAH and I have had them all!
The flu? Why bother when it is hit and guess and they miss 75% of the time? Covid? It is a virus like the flu and mutates rapidly so I will wait and make sure my immune system is as good as I can make it…. OH and wash my hands frequently and stay out of viral exchange facilities (public restrooms)
All this fuss about a virus that has a kill rate about the same as a bad flu. :>(
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Disaster Dan in Victoriastan tells us that the new strains of the virus are travelling at “light speed” so we need to be under a state of emergency until the end of 2021. But fear not, he has signed up to the Chinese Government’s “Belt and Road” program so soon all will be well.
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In 1961 President Ronald Reagan made this quote
“One of the traditional methods of imposing socialism on a people has been by the way of medicine. It is very easy to disguise a medical problem as a humanitarian project”
Sounds familiar today,
Also the popularity of the premiers is because they have learnt the art of emotional blackmail in their extreme emotive speeches. eg ” We care for you so it is necessary for you to take this injection so you too can care for those around you” etc etc.
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Are the other available vaccines not to be given to under 16yo too ?
“COMIRNATY should not be given to children under 16 years” according to its CMI leaflet.
Is there any detail / evidence regarding those who reportedly died from a covid vaccination (and which vaccine, and were they known to have any allergies / was it an anaphylactic reaction or something else ??)
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Donna Laframboise has compiled some anecdotal information on her blog
As with deaths ascribed to the Wuhan virus itself, fatalities tend to be among older people, tend to be among those with pre-existing medical conditions, and are relatively few in number.
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Coal – who needs it?
In the AEMO grid, over the last month, coal provided 2/3 of all electricity generation on average, with gas 4.6% and hydro 6.1%.
But at night and when the wind doesn’t blow, those three sources must be available to deliver 100% of demand.
On Feb 28, wind dropped below 300 MW from a nameplate capacity of 8,100 MW. Per Tony’s work, on average wind delivers 30% of nameplate.
So even though wind and solar are currently delivering on average about 23% of demand, even if that capacity was doubled to deliver nearly 50% of demand on average, on occasion they would deliver close to zero requiring 100% backup from reliable despatchable coal, as and hydro.
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Or more gas fired power stations as backup, they are relatively cheap to build. Its generally agreed that gas is the ‘transition’ option.
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Cheap to build but expensive to run (even more than wind turbines). Lots of time off for maintenance.
And their emissions are about the same as a (much more reliable) HELE coal fired station.
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Richard
The cheapies are only half as efficient as the combined cycle heat recovery ones, so entrenching higher costs.
You are right about Maintenance. Having worked in Maintenance, equipment which is not used all the time often fails to start. I have lost count of the times the “standby” boiler actually fails – across multiple plants (and this after being maintained)
One other aspect is that somebody has to make money on them – they are not “cheap”, they have to be maintained and depreciated – but only run for short amounts of time. Thus the power they produce ends up very expensive…
And with solar and wind not producing for 75% of the time, and often producing at low output, the standby plants can have long periods of operation. Again with the inefficiencies meaning high power costs…
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Transition to what? All gas?
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Had an interesting talk with a lady who works in aged care, in a nursing home on the Gold Coast. She said that 50% of the staff at her home will not be taking the vaccine due to their concerns over its rushed development. She said she had heard similarly from other homes on the Gold Coast.
She was also particularly worried about statements from our Premier Anna, about making it compulsory for those working in aged care to be vaccinated.
Of course she and her colleagues are totally aware that the vaccine does not confer immunity and thus vaccinated staff will still pass it on to the residents.
This has all the makings of a debacle with Big Brother forcing these ladies (and they are not highly paid by any means) to choose between their job or unemployment.
People may say I am alarmist but with years in Quality Assurance we have systems in place for very good reasons, and vaccine development is no different. Nearly all the major Quality incidents I have seen are a result of people bypassing systems in place for various reasons, sometimes by accident but often wilfully as they believe there will be no problem. The vaccine nazis obviously have no idea at all here – there are plenty of failed vaccine stories, and if this one causes problems it will be catastrophic…
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As a retired QC type, I never worked in a plant where someone in upper management was not interested in sliding substandard stuff out the door and DEMANDING we give it the QC seal of approval. Sometimes it was just fudging the numbers, sometimes fudging the test, sometimes retesting until we got a good result.
Only in one company was top management actually willing to fire those pulling that type of stuff. (That was 1 in 7)
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What does “aware that the vaccine does not confer immunity and thus vaccinated staff will still pass it on to the residents” mean?
We know from the mass vaccination program in the UK, nearly 21 million with the first jab, currently aimed at the elderly cohort, has dramatically reduced the number of infections, hospital admissions and entry into ICU. seems pretty good so far.
Going back to my first line.
Immunity? What does it mean? Does it mean I can walk into a virus infected room, breathe deeply, walk out and have no infection running around my body?
Of course not. I would be ‘infected’ meaning, a virus has entered my body and tries to do its stuff.
However, in a vaccinated person, the instant the virus enters the body, the bodies immune system kicks in, because it has been ‘trained’ to active and kill this virus if found.
Pretty basic so far.
Now we need your thinking cap on. Two cases, me without a vaccination and me with a vaccination.
Without the vaccination, I become riddled with it and spread it until the virus dies off in my body or I die.
With the vaccination, I have a short term bit of virus circulating while my immune system kills it off.
I think you can see where this is going…..
The vaccinated person will carry a much reduced viral load and a much shorter time period.
IE vaccination dramatically reduces spread plus minimizes consequences to the vaccinated individual.
Full disclosure, I had the astra jab 3 weeks ago.
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Steve Richards says:
” ..in a vaccinated person, the instant the virus enters the body, the bodies immune system kicks in” and
“.. minimizes consequences to the vaccinated individual.” and
” ..until the virus dies off in my body or I die.”
This is rather incomplete. Data from USA, and especially from high vax rate nations show alarming death numbers and virus detection figures in persons recently (within 14 days) vaccinated.
UK. Israel. Gibraltar. UAE. Slovakia. I expect the official reaction, if any, to be obfuscation and denial in the usual manner.
It could be that the vax causes lymphocyte depletion – the vaccine lowers immunity, perhaps only for a few weeks. There may be ways to deal with this.
Example of data in-
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.01.21252652v1
~Individuals aged 80 and more when vaccinated with BNT162b2 (mRNA) before 4 January were 48% more likely to test positive in the first 9 days after vaccination.~
On the other hand this needs interpretation, positive test results would have come from pcr tests.
As a person in a certain demographic I take serious interest. So far I am most unimpressed by the vax solution over the easy and really safe alternatives. I am expecting an offer from my medical practice in a month or so. A response, of No, requires careful wording.
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I am a + 60 years old diabetic with asthma. I’ll accept whatever vaccine variant I am offered, even though I am not convinced that I will be entirely protected. Why? BECAUSE HALF A LOAF IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. Yes, the COVID vaccines have been rushed, and nobody has given any consideration to the variants (UK, South Africa, Brazil etc etc) that will undoubtedly appear. But hey… vaccination is the better option. Who wants to listen to the anti-vaxxer trash?
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Jo,
FWIW, a fellow chemist told me in 1981 (?) that research has shown Vit C, E and Selenium help prevent cancer. Since both my parents died of cancer I have been taking that combo ever since.
I am mainly a carnivore with beef my meat of choice (Zinc) and when I could no longer drink milk at every meal I switched to cheese for the calcium (more zinc) and green tea (zinc ionophore) for a beverage.
Since then I have never had the flu despite handling thousands of different little kids every year.
I have had a bout of bacterial pneumonia/asthma (winter 2019 maybe Covid?) but no flu.
And yes I have the comorbitities: Chronic inflammation (asthma & arthritis) Type II diabetes, high blood pressure & over 70. All treated with herbs. I kicked the Big Pharma drugs a couple years ago and I am doing a heck of a lot better!
If the medical community ever gets a decent test for Covid antibodies, I might get tested but at this point I have ZERO faith in the medical industry.
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Here is the study but its not likely that its going to get past peer review into some prestigious journal. Its only been posted on an Israeli forum. You don’t have to go far to find people who have been killed and injured in this attack. But you’ll never get good numbers. You are just going to have to think clearly in the absence of good numbers. You can go to the American VAERS site to get some numbers and that site shows people dropping like flies after the vaccine. But you can’t get sound numbers out of that site either. All you can say is that anything you find will be a vast underestimate.
http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/viewtopic.php?p=276314
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Shame it is so poorly written for such an important topic. Sigh. Where are the full methods, the controls, the consideration of confounding factors? How about basic readable typography too? Israel was at the peak infection rush in Jan and Feb when the vaccinations were happening. We know vaccinations don’t offer protection for at least two weeks, and in some cases, until the second shot (and in some not even then). Do people get a shot, then take risks they would not have taken, catch Covid before they get protection and that’s what kills them? Are the extra heart attacks just because of that same reason? I presume people getting the jab are in the higher risk half of the population, so we’d expect people most likely to be exposed — or most likely to die — would be more likely to get the jab. Were any of them tested for Covid (and would the tests distinguish real covid from a vaccine?) And I’m barely getting started. We need to distinguish ADE reactions from natural infections. How many people would have died of natural causes in those weeks compared to the same weeks of 2020. How many people would have died of Covid — given the situation. What strains of virus were present. Were people more likely to die if they got a certain vaccine or a certain strain of virus?
When vaccinating half a nation during a pandemic there are going to be deaths that would have happened regardless. The authors don’t even appear to be trying to dispassionately discuss the situation.
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In modern warfare control of information is the big priority. You aren’t EVER going to get good well-funded studies or they couldn’t get about hurting everyone. I don’t really trust anything coming out of that country. All this vaccine death could be an elaborate hoax for reasons hard to fathom at this stage of the game. But if people are dropping dead on Bitchute every day with the MRNA vaccines, and yet casualties are almost unheard of with Sputnik, that has to raise an eyebrow.
Why did they allegedly vaccinate half the country in the first place? Without animal trials? Without Pfizer developing a gold standard test from which to test their own product? That they vaccinated people in the first place, without a gold standard test and without animal trials is crazy, if thats what they have done. Its not business as usual. Its total madness. We don’t want to be always pushed around by normalcy bias the whole time.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/OKmyntvcFFLB/
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The information is not COMPATIBLE with Covid having been a natural virus. Disproven theories have to be sent to the fires. Not brought back again every time someone says “look over there.” Why did anyone believe in the natural virus theory in the first place? Think about it? Why? What was the evidence for this theory ever?
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Oh dear, as an Earth Scientist and climate realist why would I want to be associated with this. Why is David Bellamy being posted on this add, he is dead
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