The CCP is still not being honest about bioweapons research in China. How stupid does the West have to be?
The The Mail on Sunday has documents showing that the Wuhan Institute of Virology was working with the Chinese military on a big project to study animal viruses that started in 2012.
The title of the project was ‘the discovery of animal-delivered pathogens carried by wild animals’. The man in charge was Xu Jianguo. In 2019 he was heard bragging at a conference that “‘a giant network of infectious disease prevention and control is taking shape’.” He was part of the first expert group called in to deal with Covid in January 2020 and was the one who denied human transmissibility. In mid-January he said that the “epidemic is limited and will end if there are no new cases next week”.
Well that was helpful.
The group had five leaders — one was Professor Shi Zhengli who works in the Wuhan Institute of Virology, is known as the “bat woman” for her work hunting in caves for bat viruses. Only last month she denied that there was any military involvement. But one of the other leaders was Cao Wuchun, who was high up in the army and an advisor on “Bioterrorism”. He studied in Cambridge and now works in the Academy of Military Medical Sciences of the People’s Liberation Army. His name is on the project reports. Perhaps Prof Shi didn’t read them and they only met on the phone?
Worrying new clues about the origins of Covid
How scientists at Wuhan lab helped Chinese army in secret project to find animal viruses
by Ian Birrell, Daily Mail
They found plenty of new viruses:
One review of his virus-hunting project admitted ‘a large number of new viruses have been discovered, causing great concern in the international virology community’.
It added that if pathogens spread to humans and livestock, they could cause new infectious diseases ‘posing a great threat to human health and life safety and may cause major economic losses, even affect social stability’.
An update in 2018 said that the scientific teams – who published many of their findings in international journals – had found four new pathogens and ten new bacteria while ‘more than 1,640 new viruses were discovered using metagenomics technology’. Such research is based on extraction of genetic material from samples such as those collected by Prof Shi from bat faeces and blood in the cave networks of southern China.
It’s almost like someone knew a bad virus was about to leak out?
Prof Shi also admitted that eight more unidentified SARS viruses had been collected in the mine. The institute took its database of virus samples offline in September 2019, just a few weeks before Covid cases exploded in Wuhan.
And there was that order to destroy all the samples at the WIV on Jan 2nd 2020. Why would China do that if the virus was a natural agent?
This is not how good global citizens behave
In recent years, China’s military has ramped up its hiring of scientists after President Xi Jinping said this was a key element in the nation’s march for global supremacy.
Lianchao Han, a dissident who used to work for the Chinese government, said Cao’s involvement raised suspicions that military researchers who are experts in coronaviruses might also be involved in bio-defence operations.
‘Many have been working with Western research institutes for years to steal our know-hows but China still refuses to share critical information a year after the pandemic has killed over three million.’
Image by Reinhold Möller.
The CCP is hardly being a good global citizen, stealing IP but not even answering honest questions when lives are at stake.
The Daily Mail says the US State Department was worried about the “Gain of Function” experiments, and has claimed that researchers at the WIV got sick with something like Covid in the weeks before the outbreak started in Wuhan.
Back last May I wrote about how genetic fingerprints in the sequence showed it was almost certainly a synthetic virus. Prof Shi Zhengli supposedly found a bat-virus in a cave in 2013 that is a close relative of SARS2. But inexplicably, she forgot to register this deadly pathogen until Jan 27th 2020, seven long years later. The first Nature paper on it magically appeared just six days after that. “So much for peer review”. The only copy of this supposedly natural “missing link” virus called RaTG13 appears to be on her computer, not in a vial. It’s almost like someone stayed up late one night altering the letters in the viral code and in the rush, forgot to add in a realistic amount of background non-coding noise. The sequence has been showered with fantastical background radiation that only altered coding parts of the gene and not the usual random smattering across the full length of the non-coding parts too.
Odds of that are almost ten million to one.
Must be bad luck.
Right now, the West is spending billions installing uncompetitive energy sources, and researching how to get reliable energy from unreliable, low energy density sources, when there is plenty of energy available but a screaming need to get very advanced in biomedical research.
h/t A friend in Switzerland.
Other posts on bioweapon-like SARS viruses
- The first Synthetic Pandemic? Man who discovered HIV says Coronavirus is man made. CCP destroyed the evidence.
- Evidence grows that Coronavirus was man-made: the bat virus it “evolved” from appears to be faked
- Dr. Li-Meng Yan claims The virus is man-made and spread to make damage
And what are the odds of getting anywhere near the truth of the matter if we don’t acknowledge the contributions made by the USA when it comes to the gain of function research that was taking place in Wuhan?
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Well, “the truth of the matter” is known to some. It may well come out in due course.
In the interim, the working Hypothesis is that the virus was produced in the CCP’s Wuhan lab.
The evidence presented here by Jo supports that Hypothesis.
The evidence for the Null is denial. That’s very flimsy evidence.
But I’m curious. Why would acknowledging the “contributions made by the USA” make any difference to the truth about where the virus was manufactured?
Are you sure you’re not deflecting Joseph? Inadvertently, or otherwise?
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Sceptical Sam,
I don’t know that it would make any difference to the truth about where the virus was manufactured, but, just how it came to be manufactured there is a story that deserves some attention. Imho. Deflecting? Only in the most positive manner, if so. 🙂
Here’s a link to The Fauci COVID-19 Dossier by Dr. David E. Martin.
https://f.hubspotusercontent10.net/hubfs/8079569/The%20FauciCOVID-19%20Dossier.pdf
I’ll recommend reading page 7.
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Read it. Thanks.
However, it makes no difference to the truth about where the virus was manufactured.
At the risk of deflecting also, there’s no doubt that US$600,000 was paid to the Wuhan lab by way of EcoHealth’s grant, to study bat-based coronaviruses in China.
Dr Fauci is up to his neck in that. But it makes no difference. The Chinese Communist Party is the lead agency. Dr Fauci is just another running dog. A quisling.
https://www.dailysignal.com/2021/04/05/us-grant-to-wuhan-lab-on-bat-based-coronaviruses-didnt-get-review-nih-says/
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It was described in the post in May last year. Sorry I figure everyone knows this?
https://joannenova.com.au/2020/05/is-coronavirus-man-made-the-bat-virus-it-evolved-from-appears-to-be-faked/
Thank the Expert Swamp for help creating this virus
Dr Anthony Fauci sent $US to do this work in China.
Steven Mosher on Fauci’s role:
…here is one thing about Dr. Shi’s research that we do know with absolute, ironclad certainty: The U.S. was helping to fund it. From 2013 onwards, the National Institute of Allergies and Infectious Diseases, run by the now-famous Dr. Anthony Fauci, gave $7.4 million for research involving gain-of-function work and collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, $600,000 of which went to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Much of the rest went to other labs in China.
If Dr. Fauci was as familiar with the Chinese Communist Party as he is with viruses, he would not have sent the Wuhan Institute of Virology one thin dime. He would have known that the PRC has a long-running program to develop bioweapons. He would have concluded that China’s only BSL-4 high containment lab was the obvious place to carry out at least some of this research. And he definitely did know that the “Gain-of-Function” research he was funding had the potential to create “Pathogens of Pandemic Potential” that might not be used for peaceful ends.
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Thanks Sceptical Sam. Read that.
Jo, I do miss some of the content on the site, can’t keep up with it all!
What a deep hole it is!
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Science justifies itself for its own sake.
Science only becomes a problem for us when people misuse it.
And it is very foolish to imagine that you can prevent misuse indefinitely by hiding science from your enemies. Eventually one way or another they will get access to it.
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With Xi Jinping’s wife, Peng Liyuan as a goodwill ambassador for WHO, don’t expect the truth to surface anytime soon …
Peng Liyuan, Goodwill Ambassador for Tuberculosis and HIV/AIDS
https://www.who.int/about/who-we-are/structure/goodwill-ambassadors
Mouse over Peng Liyuan’s name for more info, eg: wife of Xi …
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WHO_Goodwill_Ambassador
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There is no evidence that COVID-19 coronavirus is synthetic.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm
https://theconversation.com/heres-how-scientists-know-the-coronavirus-came-from-bats-and-wasnt-made-in-a-lab-141850
https://www.drugtargetreview.com/article/71424/understanding-the-limits-of-synthetic-biology-through-the-origins-of-sars-cov-2/
[And there’s no evidence you read any of my posts or the articles you link too. These are old, generic nothingness commentaries. They don’t even mention the highly abnormal patterns of mutations in RaTG13 let alone explain how they could have got there, or provide an alternate natural source. This is Timewasting. – jo].
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Simon, that is the problem – you can not prove a negative.
But blaming the lab, means that that horrific number of Deaths in the USA, is not their fault. This is just blame shifting, the inability to own a problem that you have caused
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Simon said; “There is no evidence that COVID-19 coronavirus is synthetic.”
Which is incorrect.
He did not say there is No Proof.
Deaths in the USA should be blamed on Nancy Pelosi and Mayor Cuomo.
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I’d add to that the decision by Dr Fauci and his organisation to reject the use of Hydroxychloroquine, Zinc, and Vitamins C and D3; and the American medical Association’s support of that rejection.
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To prepare ourselves for 1,640 new viruses, we should watch this video of a doctor making a 30 minute presentation to a general audience.
He says that the Covid-19 problem is really a vitamin D deficiency problem; the elderly, dark-skinned and obese have the most deficiencies, and they are the most at risk from covid.
He really likes Ivermectin.
https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/04/25/turning-the-panic-dial-down-from-11/
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“But blaming the lab, means that that horrific number of Deaths in the USA, is not their fault. This is just blame shifting, the inability to own a problem that you have caused”
The leading cause of death in the US in 2020 was heart disease.
690,000 (not including heart attacks labeled C19).
Was KFC an essential business?
I know gyms weren’t.
Playgrounds yellow taped.
I blame kitchens.
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Simon, Any link that begins by calling people who question a paradigm ‘conspiracy theorists’ is not worth watching. Science works by hypothesis and challenge; by all means present a view and any facts you can marshal, but smear is not an argument. Nor does it work by consensus: bleeding as a cure used to be the consensus; stomach ulcers caused by stress was the consensus; a flat Earth, come to that, was consensus – I mean it is obvious to anyone isn’t it?
If you are genuinely interested, as I am sure you are, you might like to watch this short one, and come back to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Df8HXyhao
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If there is no such evidence, it is only because no one has looked for such evidence.
When I got covid19, at the end of January 2020, I specifically noted how quickly I started to get sick. I usually head off a cold or flu by licking a little chili powder from my palm (just a small fraction of a teaspoonful), and drinking some diluted organic apple cider vinegar (“with the mother”). With covid19, it got past these outer defenses and into my digestive system almost immediately. Yet, it curled up under my main assault of echinacea with goldenseal (every half hour), and never made me really sick, only holding on with incipient symptoms for a week (and two months later, a second time, for only two days).
So I know covid19’s main claim to virulence is the quickness with which it gets past the throat and into the digestive system. That, and the incredible fact that it was known early on that it only killed the very old, over 80 or so (I was 72, and dealt with it easily with my echinacea/goldenseal treatment) told me it was a fake disease, meant only to infect many or most, very quickly, and thus overwhelm a competent, understanding response — basically, a quick, assured response, by the individual, not a delayed collective one by a politically corrupt system.
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So you self diagnosed as the Rona, then self medicated with a bat wing and eye of newt, which cured you of a disease your imagination said you had due to cold like symptoms.
Did you ever think you may of had a cold?
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A week before the bunch of WHO inspectors travelled to China, average Covid cases were 43 per day. It suddenly jumped to average 113 cases per day when WHO announced they will be in China within a week (11/1/2021). The cases than dropped to average of 8 per day after WHO inspectors left. This is no coincidence and it is a display that China is engaged in sadistic manipulation through toll poppy syndrome.
Not that I want to count the cases but I am trying to display a pattern of insecure behaviour. Communism behaves the same way. Driven by internal insecurity and external make belief enemies.
The enemies are created by the pattern of insecurity. They have too much to hide and they have stolen a lot of IP. Adapting age old diplomacy of saying nice doggy till you find a rock.
Where was Huawei technology stolen from? It takes decades of research and development. But no they emerged in 5 years to be a leader.
Maybe, just maybe China is too eager too soon to display its own capabilities as a major player. They have learned that making cheap shiny goods appeal to the rest. Wasting massive amount of energy and resources to produce substandard quality goods that end up in the waste dumps around the world.
Chinese doctors are well respected around the world. Their knowledge of natural medicines is outstanding. But this is talking about Chinese people. The same people under the oppressive regime can be turned into whatever the state demands. For the fear of life. This is a normal communist operating procedure.
This is pure CCP behaviour and nothing more can be expected from them, a juvenile predicament.
USSR fell and so will CCP. Berlin wall fell and so will CCP.
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And maybe they need just a little nudge.
When China declared it won’t be importing Australian coal (to teach us a lesson or something), I would have suggested the Australian resonse be: “OK, and we now put a moratorium on selling it to you for the next 50 years, (or until the CCP is replaced with a democratic system).”
– And repeat for every item that China blocked imports of.
There was a time when Aus didn’t sell much of anything to China and somehow we managed..
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Don’t cut your nose off yet. There’s more to it. The aggression may be driven by opportunism.
Barley, beef and wine in Australia have all suffered from the drought, and may be experiencing shortfalls in supply, which cause prices to escalate. When we see China purchasing grain from America, that may be because Australia was unable to supply that grain at that time.
Note also that China is under pressure from the US over the trade imbalance there.
As for the coal. Does China have a pandemic? What disruption is CV19 inflicting on Chinese industry? Maybe they can’t use that coal yet.
If I was a CCP politician, I would be much more cheesed off by the disruption of the Belt and Road program than about questions over the virus leak or whatever.
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If I was PM, I’d order the coal ships stagnating off the Chinese coast to turn around and dump their cargo on a country that would appreciate it (eg: India). The companies that controlled the ships (BHP, Fortescue etc etc) would be compensated. Standing up to bullies like China should be a no-brainer. Unfortunately, the appeasers of the West have the upper hand at the moment.
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Since when have BHP and Fortescue had any involvement in shipping coal to China? The buyers usually charter the vessels. Usually the coal is paid for before the vessels depart the loading port. From my operating days, a ship could not enter for loading until the coal owner confirmed they had a letter of credit; granted a long time ago.
I suspect that China has simply locked away a fleet of coal ships to prevent other countries using said ships to transport coal elsewhere. The ships are stranded with Chinese paid for coal on board. If the ships try to depart Chinese waters, they will be seized by the Chinese navy. A low cost way to acquire a fleet of bulk carriers.
I cannot find a list of the ships. MV Anastasia was one of the first, Indian crew (like many bulk carriers) and Swiss owners; I will give you one guess at where it is flagged.
China does not play fair. The UN has not given a single thought to helping the 1200 or so sailors languishing off their coastline for a year now. The UN would not want to ruffle china’s feathers.
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Thanks Will,
Are you saying that BHP and Fortescue have already been paid for their coal?
This article seems to confirm that. Chinese buyers are stuck with coal that can’t be delivered. I am not sure what the ship owners can do about it.
https://splash247.com/coal-carrier-queue-eases-off-northern-china/
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I am not aware of any Fortescue coal mines so I doubt it supplied any coal currently held in ships off China.
BHP still has some thermal coal but has announced its intention to sell them off.
It was always our practice at ports to not allow a vessel to berth unless it was cleared by the producer and that usually meant they held a letter of credit. In my day back in the 1980s China was always a dodgy player with rust bucket vessels that we could easily sink if we loaded them continuously as the coal loader could outpace their deballasting. The vessels had to request us to stop loading so any loading delay was their cause – that to avoid demurrage. Of course now, China probably has the best fleet. They have huge iron ore bulk carriers operating to Brazil purpose built for that run. That aside I expect they have only held up charter vessels in the present debacle.
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Yes, RickWill with the big contracts the buyer usually organises the shipping and coal is sold FOB (ie only loading cost). The Japanese steel industry acted (probably still does) like a cartel fixing the price eg Nippon steel may take the lead. I image the same thing applies with China where one steel works negotiates for all following the Japanese. The same applies to the power companies. In Australia, Canada and USA companies have to act independently by law. At the fringes are there spot (one off) cargoes where the supplier charters a ship. I have done that in the long past with shipments to South Korea and Taiwan. In those incidents the price/cost included demurrage at load port, and sailing cost but demurrage and unloading at destination port was at the buyer’s cost.
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Most of the vessel stranded off China would likely be FOB sales, though I have heard that a few are CFR. The Chinese buyers are taking the brunt of the costs. Either way, insurance companies will be looking for loopholes.
As for the price fixing, nowadays the majority of contracts are done on index pricing, which is an average of advertised sales in a specific period.
Taking these vessels out of the active fleet has caused the price of shipping to increase, which is costing all buyers more (including China since this is an international market).
Overall, all this does is hurt China.
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Great Idea.
I think that you should inform the PM.
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Is the coal on those ships still Australian? My limited knowledge of international trade says it is done on an FOB basis, that the ship won’t sail until cleared funds are in the seller’s bank.
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Fifty five years ago I ran into the term FOB when we shipped wire out of the port of NovoCastria.
Now, I don’t know, but I suspect that it would be paid for before loading.
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Usually the ship will not be permitted to berth unless the coal supplier is holding a letter of credit. It is a hard lesson to learn to have a high volume export berth occupied with a vessel waiting for a letter of credit. If the letter of credit is not available by their turn, they drop a position in the queue.
The export ports have quality control services that the buyer agrees to use during the loading operation. There would be no doubt that the coal quality would be up to scratch. I think China is simply playing a game with the charter vessels to lock them out of the trade; no ships no trade.
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They did, they didn’t. Endless speculation. Something we can deal with is how to use scientific fact and logic to deal with the virus on a societal and personal level. One which takes us out of the ignorance based fear approaches of handling the virus used so far.
Here’s a link to an opinion piece entitled:
“There is a pathway forward to return to normalcy after 14 months of failed approaches”. It is subtitled “Stopping COVID at all costs is not a policy and is leading to great harm in the world, and leaders need to start relying on hard data analyses and critical thinking”.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/there-is-a-pathway-forward-to-return-to-normalcy-after-14-months-of-failed-approaches
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‘ … researchers at the WIV got sick with something like Covid in the weeks before the outbreak started in Wuhan.’
This is questionable, I prefer the story of a high ranking whistleblower who took the virus to the fish market. Its a WMD and he has to warn the world, but the law of unintended consequences played out disastrously.
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Am I alone in wondering how India has been hit so hard by a new strain of the Covid-19 virus. We know that China is expansionist and has taken over other nations (Tibet), lays claim to the South China Sea and sees India as a rival which is prepared to oppose their territorial expansionism.
With dopey-Joe in the stolen US presidency (looking ever more likely to be with China’s interference?) could the Chinese be looking to invade Taiwan shortly? Would it suit China to have a damaged and pre-occupied India when it does? Is the new strain of Covid-19 a natural mutation or is it a further lab development from Wuhan?
Questions, questions and ever more questions, but time will show.
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No one will defend a mainland China takeover of its offshore island. There are only 14 countries that recognise Taiwan as a sovereign state. The UN does not recognise Taiwan as separate from mainland China. That small hurdle was dealt with in 1971.
The only question will be how the CCP take full control of Taiwan, which is a representative democracy. Will the population go quietly into the night.
It is far fetched, but maybe China could find paid stooges to run for office in Taiwan then rig the election so their stooges win in a walkover. The stooges then go about handing control to the CCP. It would be tedious to have to rig elections for eternity.
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I’m not sure it would be “tedious to have to rig elections for eternity”, it would be unbelievably simple:
If they use Dominion voting machines they can weight votes as they choose using the algorhythms built into the software to make votes for the ‘Chosen Ones’ worth 1.5 or 2 votes or any other number they choose ….. and it [could be] that the ultimate owners of Dominion [are] the CCP or a PRC state body.
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You could be correct Rick, but I hope that is not the case. We seem to be doing a rerun of history from 1934.
Tony Abbot wrote a good article in the Weekend Australian, defining the current problem with China.
A recent article in Quadrant Magazine suggested that Japan has likely already informed China that it would have to intervene if China attempts to invade Taiwan.
Taiwan is an important part of a strategic concept known as the “First Island Chain”. The First Island Chain starts with the Kuril Islands in the North, to Borneo in the South. It is the first line of containment of Chinese Naval aggressive power.
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/04/china-and-the-looming-warfare-over-taiwan/
“Between the end of WW2 and the Korean War, MacArthur praised Taiwan, located at the midpoint of the first island chain, as an ‘unsinkable aircraft carrier'”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_island_chain
So Taiwan should be defended by the Western democracies for ideological reasons and also by the ASEAN states for strategic reasons.
I expect that President Xi is rattling his sabre to test the resolve of the USA, given the current political weakness there.
Fortunately Taiwan has considerable defenses against Chinese invasion and at the current time could possible repel an invasion on its own with no outside help.
I hope that neighboring countries will unite to resist Chinese aggression and that Australia becomes part of that.
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Roger
I believe that much of the Indian reporting is sensationalist and hysterical. The deaths per capita related to covid is so far below the UK and other countries but never reported. Indians here, when I talk to them about what is happening back in India tell a less embellished story…
We are treated to funeral pyres, but not told that this is regularly used in India as refrigerated morgues are few related to population size.
Medical facilities in the subcontinent have always been under strain and will be for years to come.
As usual with Covid, we have the mainstream media ever hysterical and the truth is lost…
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“We are treated to funeral pyres, but not told that this is regularly used in India as refrigerated morgues are few related to population size.”
Remember, too, that Sikhs and Hindus REQUIRE cremation, not burial, except in rare circumstances.
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…wondering how India has been hit so hard…
Might be due to half the population (total ~1.3 billion) still doing poos in the wild… And that they sometimes still let their dead adrift in a river one day then bathe in it the next. And that cow piss (which is sacred) is mixed with various flowers and herbs to make a highly sought after skin lotion. But I suppose we’ll just never know.
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With all of that true and more, often hundreds of people sharing one toilet, the Wuflu in India is mild compared to the US.
The current surge appears to be due to an assortment of reasons; multiple new worse mutations, reduced use of effective treatments, vaccine shortage, etc.
Yet remember, India is four plus times the US population. So currently the US has about 800 deaths a day and 650000 cases daily.
India has 350,000 cases a day and about 2,600 deaths.
Multiplied to India’s population the United States would currently be having 260,000 cases and 3200 deaths daily. So as reduced as the current US numbers are, they are no better then India’s current numbers. ( Fewer cases, but more deaths per capita.
In the US worst Wuflu run we experienced 280,000 daily cases and 4,100 daily deaths. To match that India would need to experience 1,160,000 daily cases and 16,400 daily deaths.
( All numbers subject to wide error bars)
From past reading I uncertainty recall about 150 to 200 million in India annually took HCQ. ( Bad Malaria areas) I have not seen how those locations are doing in regard to current HCQ use for malaria prevention – relief or Wuflu prevention.
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Typo, current US cases is 65000 daily, not 650,000.
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Here’s a medical update:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPbxOeYAC7s&t=240s
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That’s depressing. A half mill Americans have died on the altar of Big Pharma profits.
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Depressing?
I never saw you as an extremist, Hanrahan. 🙂
Criminal, more likely.
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Hmmm…
Not you, Hanrahan.
The deaths.
Ain’t ambiguity great?
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What’s important is that with 1600 variants ready to be released one at a time, governments around the world will be able to maintain their Marxist totalitarian social controls in perpetuety. Wahoo!
Go Reset!
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Why was china hit so hard by this virus ? Its not wise to test weapons on your own population . Who stands to benefit the most from the virus being a bioweapon ? I may be paranoid but I suspect a group in the shadows are manipulating everyone , as all the major players appear to be puppets both in politics and “climate change” .
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China has tried in the past to control their population, hence the one child policy of a few decades ago, so why would the CCP worry about losing a few million mostly old, infirm and unproductive seniors.
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China does not admit to having been hard hit.
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Next time you visit a gaol ask how many inmates never did nuffin’
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The UN is aiding and abetting China to hide the origin of their Kung Flu, such useful idiots, the UN.
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Jo, This piece is short, clear and compelling: a ‘history’ of how the virus was developed.
They stop short of suggesting deliberate spread, but I would guess that is an attempt to pre-empt the video being disappeared.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6Df8HXyhao
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Thank you Phil. That is very well done.
I too stop short of saying it was deliberate spread. We don’t know that. It may have been leaked accidentally. But after being leaked, the CCP could have taken a path of being honest about it, and we would have helped them if they asked. And forewarned, we would have closed borders earlier and stopped the spread to the rest of the world. Though we didn’t even need spies in China to know that this was spread human to human, we just needed to watch Twitter. Go figure.
But it does appear to be a product of unnatural processing.
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Guilty or not of intentionally releasing the virus, China certainly decided to make the most of getting all the information to be had from having a global spread of the virus when there was so little therapeutic ability to control it. Great information to have if entries here are correct about China’s Xi considering bioweapons par for the course in the future.
China did nothing to curtail its potentially, and actually, infected citizens from going to all parts of the world. It declared it a racist act by any government that eventually got around to blocking flights from China into their nations eg Morrison and Trump. Those remarks were backed by the WHO which seems to be under the thumb of China and others, like US billionaires with globalism on their minds.
Those nations had useful idiots that fell in behind such Chinese claims using the remarks as a political tool. The West has grown so mentally lazy, so unquestioning about why China has been oh-so-friendly for so long that it just didn’t want to be bothered to consider it was being so easily setup for the not-so-friendly aggression now coming from XI Jinping!
If China didn’t intentionally release the virus, it has certainly made the most of its spread and has the evidence of the economic and social disasters visited on the West while it, where most people don’t matter, is militarily going from strength to strength with equipment.
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When Jo comments on this topic, the sequencing in the CV19, and probability of Human Intervention in the development and distribution of this disease, this is her area of expertise.
The arguments made would need very strong and convincing rebuttal for me to lose confidence in her findings.
KK
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Has anyone suggested that Jo has made a mistake?
I have confidence in her article.
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So do I.
That’s what I wanted to get across.
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Very observant Peter; I guess there was a background to the comment.
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And as if on cue Harry Dale covers so much ;
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/04/chinese-military-was-involved-in-wuhan-viral-research-project-finding-1640-new-viruses/#comment-2423657
Recent comment has Labeled the current Indian CV19 crisis as essentially a beat up.
I guess my point is this; the world has the capability of describing the CV19 thing in great detail at the level of laboratory analysis. We can even have a beautiful green photo above to show us what it looks like.
At a completely different level where we are trying to control the CV19 through politics we have complete random actions which seem to be more about conditioning the people to accept government direction than about doing anything useful.
Maybe the whole thing is about billions of expensive CV19 “tests” and jabs. Lotsa dough there.
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The CCP not a good global citizen?
They are THE Global citizen.
That’s the whole point of all this.
West bad.
China, Valedictorian, Homecoming Queen and President of the Student Council.
They can do no wrong.
Ask Faux President Biden and Czar Kerry.
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The American Deep State and the complicit media spent all of President’s term trying obsessively to overthrow him, literally a concept alien to American politics before.
The covid19 alarm went up in the USA IMMEDIATELY after the failed and completely, blatantly fake “impeachment” (just as every other attack upon Trump followed immediately upon the last such failed attempt).
All of the attacks upon Trump were justified by corrupt intelligence leaders (Brennan, Clapper, Comey, Strzok), again with totally, blatantly false accusations against him.
I, along with MANY others in the USA and elsewhere, got covid infections early, before it became a political football to control the population illegally, taking away inalienable rights like free speech and freedom of assembly.
I was 72 years old, and I already knew how to defeat any viral or other biological attack, with massive dosing of echinacea with goldenseal. I never got sick from covid, although it hung on for a full week with symptoms of incipient sickness (of the “just fighting the onset of a cold” variety, that many simply suffer through without treatment — I personally knew better, and treated myself immediatley, so the covid never took hold, and was never serious to me).
The CIA and other Deep State felons were responsible for the “pandemic” in the USA. It was treason, pure and simple, not “vitamin D deficiency” (although the disease itself IS no worse that an immune system deficiency, in its early phase of infection, as my echinacea/goldenseal prescription independently testifies).
Dr. Fauci is guilty of treason. All of those pushing the “pandemic” hysteria buttons and denial of basic freedoms are guilty of treason.
The “pandemic” is NOT fundamentally a medical emergency, it is a political, treason emergency. That SHOULD be obvious by now. I have not worn a mask throughout the covid nonsense (yes, nonsense — the very first thing we learned was that it was killing only the very old, and the young were immune, which told me and should have told everybody that it was a political farce first and a medical intrusion only minorly).
The medical field has consistently lied throughout, counting as “covid deaths” any person who died of other causes who happened to test positive for covid19 — and the test for covid19 itself has been known as too sensitive, and thus fake, throughout.
Focusing on the disease is stupid, the political treason is the main attack. I have not worn a mask throughout, and can reassure everybody that there is no virus in the air, certainly not since April 2020. If you start to feel sick, from a cold OR covid, take echinacea with goldenseal every half hour (not “three times a day” as the bottle says) for a few hours, a day at most, after which you will know it is a weak bug indeed, when properly confronted early on. Don’t listen to any doctor who tells you otherwise, they are as corrupt and incompetent as the climate scientists.
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Thanks for that summary; it makes me feel much better about the view I’d come to about Sars2.
Here in Australia the quarantine system appeared to be a monstrous incubator with ducted spread of the disease.
This impost on humanity with lockdown, families torn apart, businesses representing a life’s work crushed, schools sort of half.open and all of the social aspects of normal life just suspended.
My thoughts on the second suspension of ANZAC day can’t be printed but the very public finding of CV19 by the President of Western Australia just in time to shut down our national day of remembrance was the ugliest of the uglies.
One thing, however, does give me hope.
In the U.S. huge numbers of concerned citizens went to Trump rallys all across the nation.
I suspect that they aren’t happy about what’s happened and believe that this isn’t over yet.
KK
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I suspected there was a reason therapeutics were so attacked and removed from use, especially in the USA. I thought it could be drug companies making a reasoned argument that there was no way they would pour billions into vaccine development when effective therapies were available. No profit!
It would appear that Constitutionally in the USA, no vaccine can be used where therapeutics are available.
The question then for the medical fraternity at the top is, why did you unethically fall in line against all medical drug treatments, put patients at total risk, but then accept and call the therapies the companies came up with, Vaccines? They are just therapies which may well stop major illness from COVID-19, but whose long-term effects for many could be worse than the effect of COVID-19?
What arguments were put in the top echelons of Public Health systems that gave reason to accept newly developed scientific theory about the use of RNA as having greater benefit than the use of drug therapy such as old-age, effective ivermectin?
Why is the system relying exclusively on these new therapies with unmeasured long-term outcomes refusing to utilise what is being declared an effective and very cheap drug which also wouldn’t have the logistical and supply problems of the ‘vaccines’?
Why the public inconvenience of masks, lockdowns and private enterprise and jobs going to the wall, if a simple visit to a GP in early illness and getting a few tablets would suffice (if ivermectin is as effective as is stated).
If these ‘vaccines’ don’t stop infection but control it, isn’t this just going to increase the time the virus remains in circulation? Is the effect really a therapy doing the job of controlling the severity of the viral infection while the body develops its own immunity. Is then the longterm risk of the ‘vaccine’ – unknown, alluded to in animal trials, possibly greater than the
risk of COVID-19 infection in most people, especially because we aren’t permitted use to ivermectin? Could these ‘vaccines’ not then be an unnecessary, possibly risky addition to the handling of COVID-19?
So many questions, but the bottom line is, why did we go down this path and block all acceptance of alternative therapies that were being supported by frontline medical staff? It never made sense.
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PLEASE keep in mind: WIV was working with Ralph Baric’s lab in Chapel Hill AND with Peter Daszak:
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https://www.nature.com/articles/nm.3985
A SARS-like cluster of circulating bat coronaviruses shows potential for human emergence
Vineet D Menachery, Boyd L Yount Jr, Kari Debbink, Sudhakar Agnihothram, Lisa E Gralinski, Jessica A Plante, Rachel L Graham, Trevor Scobey, Xing-Yi Ge, Eric F Donaldson, Scott H Randell, Antonio Lanzavecchia, Wayne A Marasco, Zhengli-Li Shi & Ralph S Baric
. . .
20 November 2015
In the version of this article initially published online, the authors omitted to acknowledge a funding source, USAID-EPT-PREDICT funding from EcoHealth Alliance, to Z.-L.S [i.e., one of the Chinese scientists named above.]. The error has been corrected for the print, PDF and HTML versions of this article. …
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Yep.
See 1.1.1.1 above.
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1640 reasons for joe to promise climate change strangulation. Blackmail?
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I must admit to not knowing what to believe about COVID-19 now.
Interesting that big tech/media censors whatever they can when it comes to claims the 2020 U.S. election was rigged, yet they actually promote endlessly confusing and contradictory news items about COVID.
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Deano
One thing that you can be sure of:
When the leftist-biased media tries to shut down discussion, or ignores an important subject, Ms. Nova will get more interested. I thought the origin of COVID stories had ended. Meanwhile, here in Michigan USA, COVID this spring is worse than in Spring 2020 … among younger people than ever before … must be a variant.
Sometimes the truth takes a long time to find. The first rule is to keep looking, and don’t give up. Ms. Nova does that. Like an investigative reporter, which seems to be a nearly extinct species these days. The leftist media misinforms, jumps to conclusions, and moves on.
Richard Greene
Mr. 100% moderation
(special needs commenters division)
Bingham Farms, Michigan USA
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Thanks for that interesting take on this. I’m sure the truth will eventually be known, but right now I have to admit I’m perplexed.
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China is fighting a cold war with the US and with all of the other Western countries. Origin of manmade virus? LOgically there are covid winners and losers. Covid started in China. China hid the oovid evidence, virus data, dsetroy data, and did not allow Western countries access to investigate origin. China agences produced and issued the fake wet market theory. China controlled the WHO to increase the covid damage.
Which country wins from Covid? China’s GDP has increased 18% post covid release. Covid is a super effective tactic weapon because the China has the ‘technology’ to protect their people from covid. Chinese covid cases: 90,000. Deaths 4,600 deaths
China created the concept of an evil US which must be ‘defeated’ for their people. The CCP and most Chinese, think of ‘themselves’ as a ‘race’ and believe their destiny to run/control the world.
https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2021/03/31/w-h-o-adviser-coronavirus-origin-report-not-credible/
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/physician-scientist-steven-quay-provides-open-letter-response-to-who-report-five-undisputed-facts-support-the-laboratory-origin-of-the-covid-virus-301258582.html
The purpose of the Open Letter is to help readers of the WHO report understand the five facts that scientists agree on and which support the conclusion that an accidental laboratory-acquired infection (William: That covid was manmade. There is no evidence that covid has accidently released) was likely responsible for the COVID pandemic.
The five undisputed facts are:
• COVID-19 wasn’t smoldering in the community before the epidemic broke out, as was observed with previous coronavirus epidemics.
• Despite an intense search, neither the COVID virus, nor any close relative, has yet been found in nature, unlike prior natural zoonoses. The closest viral relative is from the laboratories of the Wuhan Institute of Virology, near the epicenter of the first cases.
• The COVID virus had little genetic diversity at the outset, unlike prior natural zoonoses. It was genetically pure, like the man-made vaccines being rolled out.
• The COVID virus’s powerful infectious trigger isn’t found anywhere in its related viral group in nature but has been repeatedly inserted into viruses by laboratory scientists, including at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
• The virus was highly adapted for infection of people from the start, unlike prior natural zoonoses. Growing viruses in humanized mice is a common technique to hone their lethal abilities.
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Very well said William.
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The only reason they are doing this is not for the sake of scholarly inquiry, but before our very eyes, they are mining for “useful” viruses (for them) that they can use for bioweapons to attack people or agricultural animals of those in the West or Japan.
They might use the viruses directly or with modifications such as with Covid-19 or just use parts of the genetic code that codes for pathogens etc..
The Useful Idiots of the West such as President Harris will allow them to do this with full blessings.
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Hi Jo
The virus myth needs some exploration and this book is a good place to start:
https://www.outersite.org/what-really-makes-you-ill/
Regards
Clive
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The 2011 book Energy Security 2.0 explains the history of China’s non-shooting war with the west.
http://www.warwickhughes.com/blog/?p=6605
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And it explains what China did and is doing using covid. Unrestricted warfare. If covid is the start of unrestricted warfare… What is the end? This is why the covid origin question is so important. The small group of people who control China have done is evil and it soulless dangerous. China officially hates the US. And is officially at war with the US.
Quote from wazz’s link.
“The most important conclusion of this era of strategic-military transformation was the PRC commitment to vastly expand the scope of state-run asymmetric warfare to include criminality, terrorism, subversion, and cyber warfare in order to compensate for the concurrent PRC weakness in conventional hi-tech warfare as well as to buy the PRC the necessary time to catch-up and even surpass the US-led West.”
there began a growing emphasis on “irregular warfare” against the United States in PRC strategic thinking. Such a strategy was elucidated in the book, Unrestricted War, by Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui,
Report: Xi Jinping Asked W.H.O. Chief Tedros to Delay Pandemic Warning
https://www.breitbart.com/asia/2020/05/18/xi-jinping-at-world-health-assembly-china-to-build-global-humanitarian-response-hub/
Xi Jinping at World Health Assembly: China to Build ‘Global Humanitarian Response Hub
Xi did not mention his officials finally admitting this weekend that Wuhan scientists destroyed early samples of the coronavirus, making tracking its early evolution impossible. The authoritarian leader also omitted any explanation for reports suggesting that he pressured the head of the W.H.O., Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus, not to disclose evidence of human-to-human transmission of the virus.
China using their money to bribe corrupt US university professors to steal US technology.
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2020/01/29/feds-harvard-chemistry-chair-lied-about-taking-millions-from-china/
to funnel research data from American universities to the Chinese government. Between 2012 and 2017, the Wuhan University of Technology paid Leiber over $1.5 million to establish a research lab in China.
Additionally, they paid Lieber a $50,000 monthly salary and $150,000 in annual living expenses. For this exorbitant salary, the university asked Lieber to create collaborative projects between the Chinese university and Harvard.
“This is a very carefully directed effort by the Chinese government to …
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This is important to view, how much of these US political shenanigans, has it cost Australia and many other countries?
And yes, in our case, it gets back too the due diligence by our politicians.
There were early warning signs, but not reported purposely, by the compliant media.
John Cullen – CDC Changes Comorbidity Data
CENTERS FOR DISEASE CONTROL AND PREVENTION
CDC Changes Comorbidity Data? John Cullen Breaks the Case Wide Open, Again…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZshpYUwNRY&t=68s
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Everywhere along the whole COVID-19 history, and even before it was “COVID-19”, the name of Anthony Fauci keeps bobbing up. Whether it was the gain of function funding at WIV going back years or the policies to combat it, AF is intermingled – and not in a good way. He has consistently provided mixed messages on just about every aspect of COVID-19 policy in the US. Masking, school closures, blocking early anti virals (eg HCQ). Yet, he is still acclaimed as the ultimate “expert” on these matters in the US. By default , his influence then spreads to other countries like Australia. There’s just too many coincidences – how much can a koala bear?
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At least 20 years ago, knowledge of a bat-borne respiratory infection was common knowledge in the Iron Range area of Qld. When visiting the area we were warned to be extremely cautious of the dust when visiting the gun emplacements around the township remaining from WW11 because of the risk of a known respiratory infection from the bat droppings of the inhabiting bat colonies.
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Whilst it is tempting to think that the virus manufacturers of Wuchan may have deliberately released their new bat virus bio-weapon to see how effective it was – never believe something was done deliberately that could be ascribed to a stuff up. One thing no-one seems to have considered is that the rate of infection in China after hitting the initial peak early last year rapidly declined – did they perhaps already have a vaccine developed so that they could protect their own soldiers from their virus and then ramped up its production to protect the population? Yes – a long bow – but not past the bounds of possibility. The west should take head from this – and get ready for the next – possibly deadlier bio-weapon. After all, they might get it right next time and release it in the USA first so they can blame them? Then they start taking over the lands that they want to feed their bulging population and industries.
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