Is there any better statement of the empty vacuum at the core of The West?
The greatest Civilization Earth has ever known has talked itself out of turning up for the future.
Why are so many young childless men getting the snip?
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Artist, Marie Kroyer
By STEPHEN CORBY, The Australian
It takes a lot to rattle “The Ball Whisperer” [Dr Justin Low], as one of Australia’s most prolific vasectomists is known, yet he remembers being utterly taken aback the first time a young, childless man walked into his office and asked for the snip. “It was a shock. I do remember how I felt the first time a guy with no kids came to me, and it put me on the back foot,” Low recalls, still recoiling slightly. “I wasn’t prepared for it, I mean, not just as a doctor but as a lay person, there’s just this funny thing we’re brought up to think, doesn’t everyone want kids?”
Back when he started out at Marie Stopes Australia a decade ago, his job was very much about helping men who felt they’d had enough children, or possibly more than enough. But after that first childless man, there were a few more, then a lot, and today Low, whose Sydney clinic does about 50 procedures a week, says it’s not unusual for between a third and a half of his patients on any given day to be childless. And they’re getting younger; so many are in their twenties that his organisation now offers compulsory counselling to any childless man under the age of 30 who inquires about a vasectomy.
Some just don’t want to be fathers, but others feel climate dread and covid unease:
“Then there are the ones who say to me: ‘I just don’t want to bring children into a world like this,’ ” he says. “It’s about sustainability for them, it’s about climate change and the future of the planet, and if anything, Covid-19 and the pandemic has only reinforced that feeling, that dread, and we’ve had more and more guys coming in talking about that.
“I’ve also had people get very fired up about sustainability issues. They’ll say to me, ‘But doctor, surely you know, surely you’ve read the studies! The single best thing you can do for the planet is not to have a child.’
Humans can justify nearly anything they want in their own head. Rationalization, here we come:
Kain Harris says : People say it’s selfish not to have kids, to put yourself first, and that is part of my decision – I like being able to travel, to hang out with friends, to go out, and I don’t know how I would have the time to have a child. But I think it would be more selfish to have a child and then not give it your full attention.”
So how much is “the environment” the major fear, and how much is it just the excuse du jour?
David Archibald argues this has a lot more to do with the risk of getting women pregnant who then “gain” twenty percent of his income. Naturally, the EcoWorriers save up these stories as PR in time for signing climate-money-winning-documents, for example in Glasgow.
That said, there are men who won’t even save sperm “just in case” but say they plan to adopt or foster kids, which doesn’t sound much like a guy protecting his income:
When he suggests sperm banking to these men, just in case they change their mind, “they’ll tell me that if they do want to have kids down the line, they’ll just adopt or foster, because that’s better for the planet. “So many of these people I meet have that passionate commitment to the sustainability cause, they’re so determined and they’ve really thought it through. I’ve been impressed by that, but still, very surprised.”
Since the rise has been so recent, it may be more about the general malaise in Western Civilization:
Medicare figures show that more than 6500 men under 34 had the procedure in 2020-21, compared with 3970 in 2014-15.
Who knows, it might be a fashion accessory too:
by Dr. Mohammed Munshi
Some of these men may be doing this to impress women and show off their deep and sensitive credentials. Male peacocks display their glorious plumage to show that they’re so strong and healthy they can survive despite the handicap. A vasectomy-for-the-planet is the ultimate peacocks tail — the handicap to end all handicaps in the competition to prove they would be a great mate.
Paradoxically that supposed willingness to look after the planet and other people’s children would make him a bit of a chick magnet in some circles as the ideal caring future dad. What a conscience! What a giving kind of guy!
We’ve come full circle in evolution — evolving to the point where for some women, the ideal dad is the man who can’t be one.
We are so evolved, we are devolving.
And wear body cameras in case of allegations.
And papers for signature of agreement with a new partner.
Ops, and a lawyer on speed dial.
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Vasectomies or sterilization there’s not much deferens.
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Seminal stupidity. The poor lads can blame the idiotic media and their indoctrinated pedagogues. Anyway I’ll agree that the world is overpopulated with morons.
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But does it make them any nicer?
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It’s a bit like the old joke:
“How do you identify the Vegans at a social gathering?”
Don’t worry. they’ll tell you……at length.
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“Seminal stupidity. The poor lads can blame the idiotic media and their indoctrinated pedagogues. Anyway I’ll agree that the world is overpopulated with morons.”
That’s a very sexist comment which if applied to women who use tubal ligation as a means of contraception would get you into some very hot water indeed.
This is a ridiculous beat up of a story which I am very surprised to see on this site. Why is there no mention of tubal ligation in women when around 15% of young Australian women use tubal ligation as a means of contraception?
https://www1.racgp.org.au/ajgp/2019/june/factors-influencing-young-womens-contraceptive-cho
Why is there no comparison of the number of young women who chose tubal ligation in 2014 with those choosing it in 2020-21?
Sorry Jo but I think this story a heap of the proverbial
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But there’s a vas deferens between fertility and sterility.;-)
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that is exactly the same joke as you are responding to
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It is called click bait
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The snip can be surgically reversed,the crown jewels that is a different eye watering proposition.
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Ouchhh! Yonni!
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I must admit, it takes balls to have a vasectomy.
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Hmmm,
These seem to be rather gullible or possibly stupid young men. Perhaps it is best if they don’t reproduce.
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Darwin would certainly feel his theory proven, some would believe the world better off if breathing was more if an intellectual challenge!!
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Breeding too.
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“These seem to be rather gullible or possibly stupid young men. Perhaps it is best if they don’t reproduce.”
Sexist and agist comment.
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I doesn’t matter to me Ian as long as you are getting the snip. I’m sure you follow Darwin and can’t possibly agree with Creationism. With all the vasectomies going around you can be confident in the survival of the fittest. Good luck with that.
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“rather gullible or possibly stupid young men.”
Sexist. Agist. Yes I prefer Darwin to Lamarck of Creationism. Thanks for the good wishes but I;, well past snip time
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Yes Ian, but true. If they are that stupid then great that they procreate.
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They not reproducing will improve our gene pool.
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If I were still capable of doing so, I wouldn’t want to be reproducing with those morons. The whole climate change thing would be enough to put me off. Some religions are definitely incompatible with other worldviews.
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I wonder, is this any more common than it was for young people to enter monasteries and convents centuries ago ?
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No, they still want to have sex, as many conquests as possible… just not babies.
But if it really is about “the climate”, then Darwin has a win as the “true believers” fail to procreate. 🙂
Balance and sanity restored, one zero-child at a time.
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Good comment. For once I agree but you lost me on the one-zero child. Think you mean one child or no children but I’m not really sure
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Perhaps better to put ‘one blank at a time’.
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checking to see why m first reply isn’t showing. Hopefully this will bring it back
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Probably not – Same logic in a lot of ways.
New religion
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Some of those who went into monasteries and convents appeared to be dodging the “outside” world. Some were the finest people you could ever meet. The most amazing human being I ever had the privilege of being associated with was a Marist brother. Coming off a farm, where we were and are heavily into eugenics, i used to think what a shame to see this man with no kids of his own. After I left school I realised that at age 76 he had 43 new kids the year he taught me, and every year of his long career. if he had had a family of his own he would have retired 10 years before I met him.
This, I think, is very different.
When I was young they blamed The Bomb. Couldn’t bring kids into the world to get blown up by The Bomb. Now it’s The Planet. Both times it’s wanting to avoid responsibility and work, now with the added pressure from Lionel Murphy’s “No fault divorce”, which breaks too many good people.
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Ted1 – had superb Marist Teachers – with Little Fat Freddie who could thrash me on a Squash Court, being an amazing Maths, Physics Teacher, as well a a Great Rugby League and Athletics Coach
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I can certainly agree that some men and women forwent the opportunity to have their own children in their desire to teach the children of others. There are many others who do not want children of their own but in most cases I am sure the gene pool is better off without their contribution. I recall a young couple at my local church who were somewhat taken aback with the number of young children each Sunday. They preferred some little dogs and were upset when I commented that on my death bed I would prefer to be kissed by one of my daughters than licked by a dog. Likewise these woke types who are saving the planet will pass into oblivion leaving nothing to say they were even here.
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Not buying it, Why would an average of weather patterns over several decades affect peoples decisions. This is more an excuse for promiscuous behaviour in the current environment, while avoiding the cost of childcare, but rather than admit the real caddish reason, it is framed in terms of saving the planet.
Could well tie in to a discussion between Dr. Jordan Peterson and Rob Henderson about the impact of luxury beliefs on the different socioeconomic classes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6ZyQKiwMQw
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Remember the angst of teens during the Cold War? They also said that bringing a child into the world was a bad idea.
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Agreed, and I knew one (not a teen) who continued that despite being in a higher financial class than you or me (unless you moor your 48ft. boat at the end of your harbourside block.
O/T but have you noticed that motorboats are described as 48 foot not 14.5 metres long
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Financially you are better off as a childless couple or a singleton. Additionally you have more time to devote to your career, so 48 footers, and Harbourside mansions are on the cards.
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You’ve tripped over yourself Peter and possibly from guilt admit you are childless. There is little purpose for childless people (even wealthy ones) from a evolution standpoint.
Besides that, there can be a great familial support and benefit for one who is in their waning years. There is more to life than just the financial. If I have any wealth at the moment of my death, you can be god-damnd sure I will leave it to my progeny before any government or non-profit organization.
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“Financially you are better off as a childless couple or a singleton. Additionally you have more time to devote to your career, so 48 footers, and Harbourside mansions are on the cards.”
48-foot motorboats don’t snuggle in for a hug or a story like children and grandchildren do. And a Harbourside mansion that is empty except for you and your cat is cold comfort when you’re eighty years old.
Just saying.
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You forgot to mention you have to bare witness to deaths of your own ageing relatives first. Yes, the lovely people locking up our elderly and comforting them in the absence of relatives stuck in a bureaucratic limbo and unable to advocte for them, do provide a PPE clad facetime or zoom of the death. So the Julias, Trents, Gladyses, Annas, etc know what is coming their way. Alan Jones at least can pass into the next world knowing he will be loved and respected for what he gave to the people around him. These other clowns will only be remembered for the absolute destruction of the lives they were elected to represent.
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Graves are still six feet.
It has long amazed me that young people seem able to handle my mixed measures. But it is a long time since i heard any mention of Pounds, Shillings and Pence. They went out at about the same time.
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You forgot Farthings, Crowns, Half Crowns, Guineas (ps farthings just disappearing when I was a kid)
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How about Firkins? There still a bit of that around.
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The groat too. I have one somewhere.
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Also guineas in currency
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Ted1,
2 meters is much more work. Union grave diggers must have a contract. 6 feet it is.
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Six more inches of heavy clay is a serious matter.
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Uh-huh … nearly everyone had angst in the cold war. And everyone said they weren’t going to have kids, but then, unlike now, most of us knew that “doing it for the planet” was bunk. After three, and losing a fourth, the snip (in my case tie) was the simplest solution. Easy to bring them into the world, not so easy to keep them clothed, fed and a roof over their heads. Take a lesson from Idiocracy – the dumb ones will continue to multiply. I wonder if Dr Justin Low might be willing to engage in “interventions”, eg de-brainwashing the climate fearfuls? There aren’t many of us doing this. World wide, the Psych professions are in full lock-step with climate lunacy.
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NO. Don’t remember that neither did my parents raising 5 children (conceiving them during the Cold War) Nor do I remember having lingering guilt when I conceived my own children with my spouse a generation later.
It WASN’T a bad idea then and isn’t for any reason a bad idea now!
Who was the “they” you mention?
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Which explains your name
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I was a teen and a 20 something during the cold war, and I recall no such thing PF.
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I remember this being said at anti-nuke rallies in the late 70’s to mid 80’s (yes, I used to be a lefty socialist!), probably to emotionally make a point about the futility of life under the threat of the bomb. Plenty of kids popped out though.
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Although everyone probably wants their ‘own’ child, adoption can be a solution that solves two problems at once if everything goes well.
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Different teens to the ones I knew, Peter.
Those who lived through the “cold war” found other ways to warm themselves up.
We lived through an amazing and unprecedented period of history: the Pill, free love and anti-biotics.
No angst in any of that.
Perhaps you needed to get out more?
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Or in?
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John
You may be pointing things at a different culprit, though there may be a vastly different reason for young men not wishing to take responsibility for a child. Many are from the families broken by the states policy of providing alternative arrangements for care of women and children outside the nuclear or extended family.
They have seen what happened to their Father / Stepfather / Mother’s partner over the past 50 years and do not wish to be involved in any long term relationship. They do not wish to risk that destruction. The Court costs, the garnishee of wages etc.
There is an easy test for this theory and that is to look at which cultural groups are holding onto their fertility and planning their future with a family. I would bet my leftie it is the WASP male that has a poor expectation of a future with a happy bride.
We stick to the plan in the Jaffe memo when in reality the opposite is probably true. Women do not have large families when the society is wealthy and safe and they are sure they will be looked after in their old age.
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Is it really 50 years?
By Jove, it almost is! That’s the leading edge of two generations.
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You underestimate the brainwashing going on in school, on social media and just about everything they watch. But the selfish and promiscuous bits are not far off either…
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You just CANNOT fix stupid.
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We could if we raised them better. Instead they probably got 15 years hearing how bad men are, how awful western Civ is and how stupid all religions are apart from the one and only Gaia.
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“We could if we raised them better. Instead they probably got 15 years hearing how bad men are, how awful western Civ is and how stupid all religions are apart from the one and only Gaia.”
So did these approaches affect only males? No mention anywhere in this post is tubal ligation mentioned. Is it only males who don’t want children because of climate change? Nowhere in this post except in my comments is tubal ligation, the female equivalent of vasectomy, mentioned. Why not? What a narrow minded approach you all take.
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“Nowhere in this post except in my comments is tubal ligation, the female equivalent of vasectomy, mentioned. Why not?”
And she also utterly failed to talk about grocery store signs that are lit up at night! The gall of that woman!
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Sorry Ian but Jo summed it up perfectly.
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Why not go away and start your own perfectly balanced blog (within ever single item) rather than carping about others not meeting standards nobody but you cares about? Two birds and all that.
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Well said Jo.
The “STUPID” was designed in when education became mass indoctrination, consisting of massive time wasting (my greatest example being an observation of year 11 students doing standard maths are only doing the same level of math as they did in year 5 & 6 & 7 & 8 & 9 & 10) this is an horrific waste of time and talent, not just for the students but also for the teachers. Time that could have been used for ensuring all children learn to “THINK” in their own particular way.
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Apparently however it is only male students that have been stupid enough to be affected by mass indoctrination as there
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Ian… Jo is basing this on data at hand, even if open to interpretation. As the regular contributor bobby b points out, there are many other things not reported but so what?
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Ian , I note you sarcasm. If you look carefully you will notice that young women are often the first to start demonstrating for any leftie cause. They no longer have the skills to socialise with their male cohorts because they lack the ability to differentiate between a friendly come on and sexual harassment. Girls normally learn this at 13/14 and boys at this age learn what works and what doesn’t. Many boys at this age have been introduced to female scorn and vilification. They now abrogate any responsibility for the consequences of their own sexual behaviour. I see a significant number of young women who will approach middle age unloved and unhappy.
They are well and truly indoctrinated also.
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become a one trick pony on this one
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This is a long shot based on rumours but, I’ve heard of men getting hit with child support for kids that aren’t theirs. The mother (opps! “birthing person”) refuses a DNA test as it invades her privacy. With a vasectomy, the child simply can’t be his.
But really, I believe the phenomenon of young males getting the snip is mostly done for recreational sex purposes.
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Would be interesting to know, what social level these young represent.
My impression is they see life as party and are not interested in what ever consequeces, they suffer from a of responsabilty.
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I miss the “edit” function.
…..consequences, they suffer from a lack of responsabilty.
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“they suffer from a of responsabilty.”
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maybe… they suffer from a lack of responsibility.
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Go one step back, you are to late 😀
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just the excuse du jour
A tiny and unimportant percentage of males (Who are highly disposable anyway – Think wars ect.)
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They are reversible.
Though two blokes I know that got this done started the new family with twins
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A friend of mine also had his reversed although I believe the operation is not always successful.
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How silly. Sterilising males (unless you get ‘em all) has zero impact on population growth.
How do they get out of school with so little understanding of biology?
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Exactly.
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Yes maybe but there is also probably a cohort of females that are taking regular doses of birth control and even abortions for the exact same reasons.
Survival of the fittest I say.
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Vasectomies may be all those righteous things but don’t forget that as IRVING BERLIN wrote; “I’m The Guy Who Guards The Harem”. There may, however, be more selfish reasons. Some women are medically advised to eschew pregnancy and or motherhood.
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I ran a bit of irving Berlin’s 100th birthday celebration on youtube last week. There’s a lot of those 1,500 songs I don’t know. And a lot of marvellously good ones I do know. I have been stuck with Ethel Merman’s “I got lost in his arms” till this morning.
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Penguinite, there are real reasons to get vasectomies, but that doesn’t explain the rapid increase in the last five years.
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I think everyone petrified of climate change and sustainability and everything else should be actively encouraged (well okay at least allowed) to get the snip. The next generation won’t miss their offspring.
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But I believed the Green when I was in my twenties, yet I turned out OK.
We don’t teach young men that their attitude to babies will dramatically shift when they get one of their own.
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Living 40 mi,es out of town 40 years ago we had a child diagnosed with cancer. That catapulted us into Sydney. I was 37, a fourth generation farmer.
I had a friend from schooldays, a wonderful man who died from the golden staph at 51. He was from the mining town of Cessnock. We disagreed violently on matters political.
He called on us at the hospital. Later I called on him at work. He was a lawyer in the department of industrial relations. He said if I waited half an hour till knockoff, he and some of his mates were going for a beer.
At the pub the topic of conversation was Wendy Bacon’s application for admission to the bar. They were against her. I wasn’t.
They would have all been about my age.
I am quite sure that ten or fifteen years earlier thay would have supported her, while I would not have.
It’s wonderful what a wife and kids and a mortgage can do for a young bloke’s attitude. Whereas I, a born and bred conservative, was prepared to give her credit for doing the hard yards to get that far.
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You can still harvest sperm after a vasectomy- there are any number of options
I’m guessing that the ‘environment’ will be next be blamed for the catastrophic decline in frogs and insects
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Are frogs having vasectomies? A sure sign of Climate Change (or being taken in by Greta’s nonsense).
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The Frogs are fighting over submarines this week.
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Now that you mention it: I hope the likes of Gretha and co follow this principle as well…
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When you’ve had the snip you don’t need a frog, Peter.
Just so you know.
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“‘environment’ will be next [to] be blamed for the catastrophic decline in frogs”
Cyclone Yasi managed to blow 2, maybe 3 extinct species of frog out of my trees. Some would have been cleaned up by kookaburras, who were in no way fazed and maded the most of the storm. “Extinct” frog around here is one that lives in the canopy, higher than the lard-arsed researchers can reach, and hides from the noise of drones.
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The story of the extinct night parrot is a classic. Extinct until someone thought of looking for them at night.
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Or you could simply not get a vasectomy, there’s an option. Save the planet, I always say.
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Your living proof. Well proof anyway.
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These young guys must surely realise that once a chick hears that you’ve had the snip and you’ve got no sperm saved, that they are not going to hang around. They are going to find someone who is able to mate with them and these chicks will have little to no interest in foster or adoption arrangements hence these young guys will spend more time alone, [SNIP, too much detail eh?] probably end up becoming angry at women a lot and wondering why can’t they be loved, “look at my sacrifice girl, isn’t that good enough for you”?
These guys have it all backwards and they are the worst of the soy boys that infect our lands across the world. This is a very good thing, I believe, that they cannot now reproduce. That means their potential kids won’t be influenced by these narcisstic clowns growing up and having the snip means their lineage dies out.
See, there’s always a positive to all this!
[Too crass for this thread Craig.]AD
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Correction…..”they are not going…
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The unmentioned factor in the reasoning is that in many (most) women, there exists an inbuilt and unquenchable desire to mother a child of their own, rather than just raise someone else’s child. It seems irrational and unreasonable, but it can’t be ignored. Rather like a woman (some women, at least) who has had a mastectomy feeling that somehow she is no longer complete or desirable woman, the feelings of a lack of fulfillment for a fertile woman having failed to reproduce is an itch that must be scratched.
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Not so irrational in the big scheme. We are all descended from the people who had their own child.
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I’d put as much weight on the impact of divorce and family law as I would on any consideration of climate.
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I’m sure there are plenty of nice girls out there but seriously who would want to marry, or pay maintenance to, the modern b@ll-bustin’ woman?
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If a man inadvertently fathers a child, he may end up paying some 20% of his gross salary for 20+ years as maintenance for a child over which he may have no jurisdiction, nor discretion as to how that 20% of his salary is applied. This 20% for most is all of ones disposable income plus some. This is the beauty of our Family Law. Surely a deterrent to those wishing to sow wild oats.
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Don’t know and I’ve never been there but the obvious question is: Is 20% enough to get that child raised to a point say 16 or 17 where they are started in life? Disposable income or disposable offspring?
Na I don’t believe that is what you meant but it is what you said.
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Yarpos, may well be true, though you would think the young men would just say that when the doctor asked. If the Family Court was scaring them, it doesn’t seem likely they’d blame climate change.
But the disdain the Court has for fathers no doubt adds to the malaise…
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They will say whatever they think will work and get the job done I think. As usual there wont be just one answer but more likely layers of issues. The recent trend is the interesting thing as you said in another response.
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wow….. Just when you thought you’d seen peak stupid…..
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I apologize, but I do not see the problem. The vaccine will take care of this issue.
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here’s some real climate change, Fauci spills the beans!!
“SO YOU DON’T GO TO HOBOKEN, NEW JERSEY OR TO FAIRFAX, VIRGINIA TO BE STUDYING THE BAT-HUMAN INTERFACE THAT MIGHT LEAD TO AN OUTBREAK. SO YOU GO TO CHINA.” -DR. FAUCI AT 1:48 OF THIS VIDEO: https://www.skynews.com.au/world-news/global-affairs/the-lab-leak-the-missing-scientists-the-coverup-piecing-together-what-really-happened-in-wuhan/news-story/122d7cab3d2db39103d75085edb85195
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arch-globalist Kissinger gets an award at DOD, Milley on his left https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/09/arch-globalist-kissinger-gets-award-at.html
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Biden’s anti-family plan costs $billions https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/09/bidens-anti-family-plan-costs-billions.html
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When I was young I didn’t want kids as my family was as disfunctional as they come and I didn’t want to inflict that on anyone that I was responsible for . Then I met someone who I could trust and love and now I have raised 2 kids….My take is that having kids needs both trust and commitment . Its a pity they believe in the climate madness and guilt tripping that Uni’s and media feed them .
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Dear old Charlie works in mysterious ways.
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This is not a new phenomenon associated with “global warming”. It’s an End of Cycle – End of Civilization effect that’s been noted for years. Try Oswald Spengler writing between the Wars …
“But the decay of the white family, the inevitable outcome of megalopolitan existence (i.e. decedent urban civilization), is spreading, and it is devouring the ‘race’ of nations. The meaning of man and wife, the will to perpetuity, is being lost. People live for themselves alone, not for future generations. The nation as society, once the organic web of families, threatens to dissolve, from the city outwards, into a sum of private atoms, of which each is intent on extracting from his own and other lives the maximum of amusement – panem et circenses. The women’s emancipation of Ibsen’s time wanted, not freedom from the husband, but freedom from the child, from the burden of children, just as men’s emancipation in the same period signified freedom from the duties towards family, nation, and State. The whole of Liberal-Socialistic problem-literature revolves about this suicide of the white race.”
Abortion Law, gay marriage, vasectomies … It’s cultural suicide with “global warming” just one excuse to avoid responsibility.
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Funny though that they keep insisting I pay tax … not a whole lot of emancipation on that front. That one “duty” to the nation has risen above all the others.
Typical Australian on a reasonable income pays approx 50% tax, once you add up all the bits: income tax, payroll tax, GST, Superannuation, and all the little tolls and fees like LRET inflating the price of electricity.
That makes us essentially sharecroppers for the state … hardly surprising that children end up being too difficult.
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Vasectomies to climate relate,
Especially for warmists who date,
As for having a baby,
It’s a no and not maybe,
As those snipped for the planet can’t mate.
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Sorry, Ruari. Clumsy thumb.
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Looking at the bright side think of the benefits of numpties taking themselves out of the gene pool.
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Not convinced that they are numpties at all. I would expect that quite a bit of thought goes into that decision for most of them, whether you agree with what they are doing or not. I suspect the numpties are out their breeding with whoever will have them , Idiocracy style.
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This means of reducing the population is probably limited to the middle income earners. The rich will still breed so as to pass on their genes and the poor will just keep on breeding.
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The rich may still breed to pass on their money
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I think the world will be better in the long run with these particularly bloodlines terminating.
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Dont see the logic of that at all.
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How’s this for logic – they want to save to world for future generations, but won’t procreate and therefore there will be no future generations to leave the earth to. I should stopped being so amazed at the abject stupidity of human beings, but stories like this are jaw-dropping.
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Off topic-
Did anyone in Victoria experience and earth tremor at 9:15am?
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Yep, wide area. See #27.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-22/earthquake-victoria-melbourne-nsw-sydney-canberra-act/100481732
Mansfield magnitude-6 earthquake shakes Melbourne, regional Victoria, southern NSW, Sydney, Canberra, Adelaide and Launceston
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Apparently there were earthquakes in other places in the world in approx the same timeframe. Interesting.
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A lot more than a tremor at our place , lots of movement and building swaying. I was out in the garage (not under a car on jackstands happily) and the whole thing was getting a sway up. Was going the exit and it started to die away.
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Amazing – I was listening to the ABC midday news to hear about the Melbourne quake being more evidence of climate change. No mention of climate change! The geophysicists they interviewed didn’t mention it so I guess they’ll have to get Dr Karl onto it.
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I think we should also look at the Risk/Reward profile of modern fatherhood, which is frankly pretty dire even for those men who truly want to be fathers. At pretty much every point in a child’s life from the moment of conception, fatherhood today is all responsibility, no rights.
A mother can abort a child without the father’s consent.
A woman who conceives outside of a relationship can keep the birth of the child a secret from the father, who may never know he has a child. If, on the other hand, the mother decides he must pay child support, that’s her right too.
At any point in the child’s dependent stage of life, the mother can choose to leave and take the child with her. However, the father must pay child support if it is demanded, even if this is so financially crippling he stands little chance of affording another child with a new partner.
In any divorce or separation, the courts will pretty much always side with the mother.
If these things matter to any young man, I can understand his decision to have a vasectomy.
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“A woman who conceives outside of a relationship can keep the birth of the child a secret from the father, who may never know he has a child. If, on the other hand, the mother decides he must pay child support, that’s her right too.”
I wasn’t clear there. The point is, a woman can ‘hide’ the existence of the child from the father, but can change her mind at any point thereafter and contact him to demand financial support. It’s 100% her choice.
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Steve, I see your points clearly. It sounds like an overwhelming sexism brought upon us males by feminists.
They’ll reap what they sow. No offspring to replace in kind and no women to replace the feminists either.
Good on them.
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That sort of thing is on the minds of many young men, and doubtless also those currently “involved” in the system.
A young man was recently reported as describing what he had been through as a form of R£pe through Marriage.
After fathering and supporting two children and the mother he was apparently deemed to be obsolete. His “wife” left for a better opportunity and took the kids.
All that was left was the support payments to be made.
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I love the victim hood display
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More like a reality display
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Just curious Peter, do you think this situation outlined by Steve of Cornubia is fair? I don’t but perhaps some do.
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I think we just had an earthquake in Northeast Victoria. Must be climate change again
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Same here in Ballarat. Looks to be statewide.
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With an abundance of caution and to keep everyone safe no-one will be allowed indoors for the next 5 weeks under SOE regulations in Victoria. (satire). Wow, you should see some of the memes floating around on social media. It’s difficult to work!!
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Sorry Jo – what were you talking about? Oh yeah – the snip. Numbers still don’t look dramatically high. Looks to me like the virtual signalling brigade.
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Mag 6, 10km deep, epicentre Mansfield, Nth Central Vic.
Not nice, dog upset, daughter’s cat braved the dogs to climb a tree, son’s house walls cracked and pool water sloshed around (he’s in East Gippsland, daughter here in Nth Central Vic).
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It wasn’t “climate change” and it wasn’t Donald Trump’s fault but it may have been a Divine warning to Daniel Andrews!
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There are reports of significant damage in various places.
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Well plenty of construction tradies to fix the mess, oh that’s right.
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Nothing to worry about, it is just Darwinism at work. Natural selection, weeding out the intellectually weak.
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Intellectually weak not to have children, how does that work? they may not share you values, but intellectually weak??
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OT – Anyone feel this morning’s Victorian earthquake?
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?currentFeatureId=us7000fd9v&extent=-87.44785,-569.88281&extent=87.43215,52.73438
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It was a good one alright. Be interesting to see a detailed assessment for what happened. The propagation of the quake seems to have been very wide.
Hopefully people are ok,
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Wide indeed.
https://www.volcanodiscovery.com/earthquakes/australia.html
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It was Disaster Dan stamping his feet.
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Daughter says people on FB are reckoning Dan fell downstairs heavily! Iirc, he stayed in the Mansfield area after that fall in March.
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Here’s a short article about Australian earthquake design codes.
It’s not clear how well it is implemented. Most of the present generation of “university graduates” are significantly “dumbed down”.
https://aees.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/History-of-Seismic-Codes-in-Australia-Rev.pdf
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https://www.ga.gov.au/scientific-topics/community-safety/earthquake
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What’s Your Actual Risk of Dying From COVID?
Americans are misinformed about the risks of COVID. That’s a fact.
Earlier this year, a Franklin Templeton/Gallup study found that when people were asked what “percentage of people who have been infected by the coronavirus needed to be hospitalized,” more than a third, 35 percent, said the risk was 50 percent. It’s actually somewhere between 1 and 5 percent. As you might expect, political affiliation influences that perception. “Democrats were much more likely to overestimate the harms of COVID-19, according to the Franklin Templeton/Gallup study, with 41% believing over half of coronavirus patients would require hospitalizations, compared to 28% of Republicans.” Republicans were also more likely to correctly estimate risk.
A recent Rasmussen Reports survey also found that Democrats are more likely than Republicans to overestimate the mortality risks of COVID. According to the survey, “Democrats are significantly more likely than other Americans to overestimate the death risk from COVID-19. Twenty-eight percent (28%) of Democrats think more than 10% of people diagnosed with COVID-19 have died from the disease – more than five times the actual mortality rate. Just 14% of Republicans and the unaffiliated believe the COVID-19 mortality rate is over 10%.” The reason for this is likely tied to media consumption, as the survey found that “More viewers of Newsmax (40%) and Fox News (34%) correctly estimated the COVID-19 mortality rate than viewers of CNN (22%) or MSNBC (24%).”
So, what’s the actual mortality rate? What is your risk of dying from COVID? Well, there are a lot of factors, such as comorbidities and vaccination status, but one thing that has been very clear, even from the earliest days of the pandemic, is that this disease affects the older population more than the younger population.
The CDC posts COVID mortality statistics by age range, where you can see that the risk of dying from COVID starts to increase dramatically once you get to the 50-and-over age groups.
But Phil Kerpen, the president of American Commitment and Unleash Prosperity, has taken the CDC’s data and broken down the risk of dying from COVID by single year of age.
According to this chart, my risk of dying from COVID is comparable to my risk of dying by drowning. Well, isn’t that interesting? Should I be afraid of the water? Should I never go swimming again? Of course not. But when you look at this chart and you look at your comparable mortality risk, it puts this pandemic in perspective, doesn’t it?
This is not to say we shouldn’t treat COVID seriously, but it does suggest that the efforts being taken to “slow the spread” are excessive. We should be doing our best to protect the vulnerable segments of the population, not mandating vaccines, masking kids, or arresting people who go maskless. We can take this pandemic seriously without going overboard or taking away our freedoms.
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” … my risk of dying from COVID is comparable to my risk of dying by drowning.”
OK, so applying the new way of risk management in our post-Covid world, that chance you might drown needs to be addressed. I suggest you wear a mask and snorkel whenever you go out and, if you can’t swim well, wear a pair of inflatable armbands. Oh and by the way, you will NOT be permitted into any public swimming pool without a certificate to prove you can swim.
Please do not alert the authorities to this startling revelation, otherwise they will have to reconfigure half the hospital wards to treat drowning victims and cancel all non-essential procedures.
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Bigger than the Newcastle quake, which was a 5.
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One thing we Kiwis learnt from the Christchurch quakes, a few years ago is that number on the Richter scale alone does not mean much. It is the depth of the earthquake that is just as important. That is, a shallow quake at say level 4 can be more significant in terms of damage than say a deep quake at level 7.
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So the girl says to her lad that she is sick and tired of taking the big pharma pill, ‘it makes me fat, you’ll have to tie your tubes or its over.’ Like any civilised gracile ape man he agrees, he married for love and doesn’t have a maternal instinct.
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Most people still don’t get it. There is now a wide variety of roadmaps that are just roadmaps to segregation. This is nothing new. Tyrannical regimes all start this way. Naz1 Germany is just one example of many. Our governments are now categorically evil. Our big companies are evil. So is much of the MSM. They can try to rectify the situation only if they admit they are wrong and dispense with their current roadmaps and start providing roadmaps back to common sense and decency. Fat chance!
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Strongly disagree. Shouldn’t this be on the open thread?
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I know you would strongly disagree. We know your colours. You stand for tyrannical dictatorships. I stand for freedom . We fought major wars to protect them and yet now we are fighting to defend the same rights on our own soil.
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WW! was a monarchial war, many Australians died for nothing. Come over to the open thread and I’ll take you on.
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I’ve said many times I abhor violent protests, but we all understand their frustrations – except for you for some strange reason.
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You also haven’t bothered to see the video where a riot police admitted he agreed with a protester but had to do his job as he is paid to do so. Of course you wouldn’t understand what’s going on. Go back to sleep.
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Luck we have you to inform us Peter, we’d never figure it out ourselves.
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Richtator Dan with head office – “Release The Earthquake”
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Oops meant to be on Open Thread
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Wouldn’t that be “Reichtator”?
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Doing the rounds via email is this:
The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected. ToM
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Reply from Federal Government
Dear Sir,
I refer to your correspondence of September 2021 to the Prime Minister, the Hon Scott Morrison MP, concerning Australia’s COVID-19 vaccination program. Your letter has been referred to the Minister for Health and Aged Care, the Hon Greg Hunt MP, and the Minister has asked me to reply on his behalf.
There has been heightened interest in the potential role of ivermectin in prevention and treatment of COVID-19. Ivermectin is used to treat human and animal diseases caused by parasites but has not been proven to treat COVID-19 in humans and is not approved by the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) for this purpose.
There are a number of clinical trials being conducted around the world investigating the potential role of ivermectin, either alone or in combination with other medications, to prevent or treat COVID-19. To date, there is a lack of high-quality evidence with sufficient certainty to support the safe and efficacious use of ivermectin for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19.
The National COVID-19 Clinical Evidence Taskforce brings together the peak health professional bodies across Australia whose members are providing clinical care to people with COVID-19. The Taskforce undertakes continuous evidence surveillance to identify and rapidly synthesise emerging research to provide national, evidence-based guidelines for the clinical care of people with COVID-19.
The Taskforce’s current advice on ivermectin is “Not recommended; Do not use ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 outside of randomised trials with appropriate ethical approval.” The certainty of evidence to support the use of ivermectin in relation to all-cause mortality, invasive mechanical ventilation, ICU admission, adverse events (including serious adverse events) and clinical improvement is low, due to risk of bias and imprecision in the clinical trials.
Evidence to support viral clearance, time to clinical recovery and duration of hospital stay is also very limited. This is a result of study sample sizes being small and in select populations, a lack of peer-reviewed data, and insufficient evidence to support claims, including studies that have drawn incorrect conclusions, or have incorrectly extrapolated information based on laboratory studies. This means that the standard of evidence for the use of ivermectin as a therapeutic for COVID-19 is insufficient.
Research evidence comparing ivermectin to standard care, as published by the Taskforce, has shown some effectiveness against COVID-19 disease. However, problems with the clinical data mean there remains significant uncertainty over whether ivermectin is more effective and safer than standard care in treating patients with COVID-19. For there to be certainty in the evidence from clinical trial data, trials need to be conducted with large numbers of participants across different demographics, with varying comorbidities. The trials should be randomised, and papers should be peer reviewed before final publication. This ensures that the treatment will work for the intended audience and will lead to better outcomes than standard care.
Ivermectin has common side effects and associated harms, including diarrhoea, nausea and dizziness. For any therapeutic to be considered for use in clinical practice, the benefits must out way the negative side effects in the intended audience. The recommendations and their rationale are available at: http://www.covid19evidence.net.au.
On 31 March 2021, the World Health Organization (WHO) advised that the current evidence on the use of ivermectin to treat COVID-19 patients is inconclusive, and until more data is available, the WHO recommends that the drug only be used within clinical trials. This advice is also consistent with that of the European Medicines Agency and the United States Food & Drug Administration.
The Taskforce continues to monitor evidence and consider the effectiveness of therapeutics for both the prevention and treatment of COVID-19 infection, including for ivermectin. If ivermectin was found to be a safe and effective treatment for COVID-19, the relevant guidelines will be updated accordingly.
It is important for Australians to have access to credible and timely information about COVID-19 vaccines. It is a large and complex project, and the information you are seeking may change over time—that is why we strongly encourage you to stay up-to-date on all news and announcements, by regularly checking the Department of Health’s website at: http://www.health.gov.au.
If you need to speak with someone, the National Coronavirus Helpline is available on 1800 020 080. It operates 24- hours-a-day, seven-days-a-week.
Thank you for writing on this matter.
Yours sincerely
Director
Australian Government Department of Health
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‘Out WAY’?
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Yes,
our educated elite knows that there’s only one weigh out and that’s by total vaccination of the population.
Except for the politicians and public serpents.
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Gosh. All that word salad to say they don’t want to think about it.
As the saying goes it isn’t a good idea until the right person has had it.
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From that reply I could glean that they have no idea that IVM works best as an early anti-viral , particularly in combination with Zinc, Vitamin D and an antibiotic. That it would be a perfect solutions to prevent hospital overloading, in an outpatient setting. Yet, yesterday Hunt “encouraged” Pfizer to apply to the TGA for registration of their latest vaccine based on their own company results. Because you always believe the company’s own results. (satire button off).
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Would we have vaccines now if the same degree of perfection in statistical analysis and the setting up of tclinical trials had been demanded but were incomplete due to the emergency situation 18 months ago?
The government letter is demanding a perfection in analysis for Ivermectin etc basically in order to support its prohibition of utilising medical treatments for COVID-19 which have been proven in practice by use overseas. There has to be some clauses in the contracts with pharmaceutical companies that are binding on therapeutics exclusion, or some thinking on the part of our public health people who are fixated on vaccines as the essential requirement above all else.
When public health necessity, or public demand force a change in policy, I wonder who will carry the can for the number of needless deaths from COVID-19 if therapeutics a proven to be the essential treatment or even prevention of this illness in most cases. The stubbornness of officialdom in regards to these decisions will be very hard to justify and the deaths a very heavy burden to take to one’s grave.
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agreed it is mind boggling the ignorance of inquiry.
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Part of this is about the Left’s drive to demasculinise men and/or degender them.
Paul Joseph Watson has a good video about “Soy Boys”.
https://youtu.be/Dlpqcc_hNdM
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Generally its a women’s movement to degender the workplace and finally get equal pay.
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Times have not really changed – paranoia will always influence non-sceptical minds.
I the mid 1970s there was a large contingent of expat US and Canadian teachers recruited into Victorian secondary schools.
Our Maths / Physics teacher from Canada said he and his wife would never have children since they were sure the Atom Bomb would destroy the world making a future not worth living. We discussed this a number of times in class but he was convinced the end was nigh or at least the beginning of the end.
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I was too busy having the time of my life in the mid 70s to realise the world was ending. I missed Peak Oil and the new Ice Age back then as well. Oh well, it was probably best left to the professional hand wringers.
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Young men are not traditional young men any more, so many are yuppies, especially in the cities.
I am of-course generalising, but I remember a conversation I had with my daughter not so many years ago about boys at her school (secondary – year 12).
I went to quite a few speech nights (end of year awards) and noticed so many boys that were very feminine (for want of a better word).
I asked my daughter “of all the blokes you know at school, how may could change a tyre or battery in a car”? Her answer still rings true to me today – “All the guys that are boarding school students that come from farms and stations could but none of the others would have a clue about anything like that”.
So I believe I’m on topic here, these young blokes don’t think in a masculine way any more, and they are absolutely encouraged to behave that way.
We’ve truly lost the plot with all this diversity garbage.
PS: I think some of the boarding school girls from farms could change tyres and batteries too, but this topic was about the other gender.
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Alex Jones already explained it to you … the frogs are gay, because the water they live in is so polluted. Climate Change serves the purpose of distracting as many people as possible; to ensure no one thinks too hard about the environment they swim in.
Ted Turner never changed a tyre in his life … he told everyone else to have one child, while he went off and had three wives and five children. Darwin only cares about results, not what you do to get there.
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Nothing like the *snip snip* to get rid of the human race. Then again… perhaps IVF will save the world (LOL).
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Grandiose ideas about saving the planet by not procreating are one thing, but one wonders if they are the real story. It seems people marry much later, or go into similar relationships later in life. The couple seem to want all the comforts of home before starting a family these days. This is a reversal of the older traditions.
Having got there, the next realisation is the procreation window is very narrow, age has established a fixation in behaviours and expectations and having kids is in some ways an intrusion and inconvenience to the lifestyle.
Alternatively, 50% of now ‘partnerships’ fail, and the consequences, economic and mental, are increasingly devastating as the laws become increasingly disruptive to the extent many men in particular think twice before signing on. In our society many men have problems with the independence that comes with many working wives which is also a major change with the times. There are accomodations and expectations about how the two have to adapt to the process, especially when having and raising kids.
IMO, the move to interracial relationships where overseas and particularly asian women are sought is often a reflection of the difficulties some men find or expect in having relationships with the more independent caucasian women. One gets the feeling such simplistic solutions don’t end up much better eventually.
So, maybe the high incidence of sterilisation in young men, if it is a fact and not just due to the operator gathering increasing cases as a specialty, is due to morbid expectations about their futures as presented by the high usage of the electronic media system where bad news as usual predominates over good. After all, we’ve seen how effective it is in driving every other matter of interest, by its slant. Just look at anything to do with climate, environment, extinctions and any other form of emotive, adrenaline exciting bit of propaganda one dreams up. You can have depression and suicides precipitated, so getting cancelled in the reproductive stakes would be just another minor side effect.
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Is this proof that the vaccines have killed more people than they have saved? Some studies say yes while others say no. In other words, we don’t know for sure. That in itself is serious and unacceptable.
Alarming FDA Public Hearing. Listen to the Chilling Words of Dr Fraiman. Then the Very Important Slides From Steve Kirsch, the Executive Director of BS 19 Early Treatment
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Chop of your balls for population pressure on environment, and yet support mass immigration of people (non white please).
This sort of terrible thinking and analysis woke me up and stopped me being a green.
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If only half the reasons are accurate for those decisions, the species is better for their actions!
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Learned when starting a business during a recession in the face of ‘friends’ forecasting certain doom, to ignore them and do it anyway. Don’t think about pros and cons, doing it each day and it becomes almost not possible to fail. I started with approx nothing, and did far better than I could have expected. ‘Friends’ who didn’t try failed, as it turns out, if you don’t try, you fail. Opportunities appeared in the most impossible way, real friends wanted me to succeed, and were confident that I would. I found when I became moderately good at running my business I was actively and secretly hunted by well-to-do mothers, with well-to-do daughters, who competitively went to elaborate lengths to get me interested in their daughter. It freaked me out a bit because it was so unexpected, that was not how it was supposed to be. It was like that because almost no men were actually trying to succeed. So I could pick from some of the best young ladies in town, no elaborate plumage or prancing displays involved. All I had to do was what I loved.
The biggest failure of education and parents was to make clear that would happen. The last thing those families and girls wanted was a man with go ability to be a dad. Life isn’t about people who predict certain failures, it’s about ignoring them. When I did what I loved, people continually conspired to make me happy. That also freaked me out a bit because it likewise was so unexpected.
When I was young I was mislead into thinking life would never give me its best, I would face harsh reality, but all I had to do was the things I loved, and keep at it, and was pleasantly shocked to discover that failing became almost impossible. That’s the living absolute truth young men should have been told.
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Really good WX, I hope you copy it to a new post.
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The most obvious reason is the unrelenting attack on white men, combined with the attack on men by the CSA.
The message has also got out that men can have their children stolen from them at any time and be forced to pay about 1/3 of their income to the ex and her new partner whilst the children are always short of money at 18. The femo-nazis rule.
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