A scandal of epic proportions
The data in the UK is some of the best in the world, but if a person has a vaccine and dies in the next two weeks, it’s classed as an “unvaccinated death”. People are not counted as fully vaccinated until 14 days after their second dose, which makes sense if we’re only looking at Covid deaths. But it doesn’t make sense when looking at other deaths. This delayed categorization leads to enigmatic effects, to say the least.
Strangely, the unvaccinated are increasingly likely to die from the week after other people in their age group get the vaccine…
The graph below of the 70-something age group in the UK, charts the non-Covid deaths — all the heart attacks, strokes, cancer and accidents. But notice how the first dose of Covid vaccines peaked in Week 5 (the grey dashed line), but the mortality of the unvaccinated (the blue line) peaks 2 weeks later? These are the non-covid deaths, so heart attacks, strokes, all kinds of things are killing the unvaccinated two weeks after the peak in vaccination for other people in their age-group.
Most 70-somethings who did get vaccinated, got their second dose around Week 15 (orange dashed line). Just as those jabs were going in, oddly people who had only had one dose began dying at an unusually high rate (orange line), and their odd heart attacks and strokes or any cause continued for weeks through summer, a time when usually mortality rates are lower.
Strangely, the unvaccinated are more likely to die a couple of weeks after their cohort gets their first dose of the vaccine?
Norman Fenton and others at Queen Mary University of London, did these graphs, and have published a paper with many more. They think it’s very likely (what an understatement) that the mortality peaks are being misapplied to the unvaccinated and the single dose categories, when they are adverse effects from the vaccines, naturally skewing all the data on the cost-benefits and risk analysis.
It was the same in the 60 somethings:
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And in the older age group too: Different weeks, but same distinctive pattern:
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There are other mysterious anomalies. We’d expect the vaccinated to be more likely to be the higher risk, older and sicker people who are slightly more likely to die of all causes than the unvaccinated, yet the vaccinated don’t just die less often (according to the official stats) they die less often than their annuities tables suggest — less than people their age would normally die.
Consider what we are witnessing here. We have a vaccine whose recipients are suffering fewer deaths by causes other than covid and hence are benefitting from improved mortality. It appears very unlikely that this can be from the vaccine since the very best we can hope for is that the vaccine is causing no adverse reactions leading to additional non-Covid deaths. Instead, we have the unvaccinated who are suffering increased non-Covid mortality, especially in the near term close to the vaccine rollout for each age group. This is enigmatic. Does the vaccine have short-term benefits beyond reducing Covid deaths? Is undetected Covid increasing mortality in the unvaccinated in a way that presents itself as other causes of death? If so, why would it be staggered by vaccine rollout periods across age groups? None of these possible reasons make any sense so we need to look elsewhere for a more plausible explanation.
Can vaccines make people younger? Can vaccines make people who didn’t take them older?
Normally, in any given year, the things that increase deaths in 70 year olds also increase deaths in all the older ages at the same time. Instead, in every older age cohort the deaths of the unvaccinated are associated with the vaccination roll outs.
Notice that the deaths per 100,000 are much lower in the 80+ vaccinated group, than in the unvaccinated group. These are not Covid deaths. It’s like the vaccines protect vaccinees from heart attacks, but put the unvaccinated at higher risk…
Fenton, Table 2. Mortality of unvaccinated and vaccinated compared to lifetime death rates.
Naturally, they wondered, like I did, whether these were deaths due to Covid but in untested people. We know Covid can cause heart attacks and strokes, and we know the UK missed a lot of cases. But most of those missed deaths would have been in the first weeks of the year, and not during summer.
UK Covid deaths peaked in January, which would likely also be when undiagnosed Covid deaths peaked too. | Source: OWID
It’s worth bearing in mind, despite these rather shocking graphs that there is no overall excess deaths from vaccines in the UK compared to other years. Excess deaths always has a wide margin of normal variation, so less deaths from influenza leaves room for more deaths in other areas, so to speak:
The scale of the mortality adjustment suggests that approximately 14% of all deaths are being miscategorised across all three age groups.
In line with the fact that the data does not reveal excess mortality compared to previous years, we see no direct evidence of overall excess mortality caused by vaccine side effects in the data. The spikes in mortality that appear to occur soon after vaccination may be caused by the infirm, moribund, and severely ill receiving vaccination in priority order and thus simply appearing to hasten deaths that might otherwise have occurred later in the year
What I like about this paper is that it’s so professionally written, and that, Fenton et al, work hard to find other reasons to explain these strange patterns. They consider all the ideas offered by the ONS (Office of National Statistics) and others, and rule out that the unvaccinated were significantly more likely to be ethnic groups who have higher mortality, or terminally ill people who couldn’t be bothered getting vaccinated on deaths door, or that a more virulent strain appeared, or that the deaths in the “single dose” group were the people who were too sick for some other reason to get their second dose.
Why was this data not available before?
Incredibly, despite this being a national emergency, data was not split into separate age groups until recently “Week 44”, whereby these very odd patterns show up. Since age is the single most important variable in any Covid data, and the highest risk factor for death, this lack of data seems inexcusable. It’s baffling that those aged 10 – 59 are still bundled together, a worthless blurred conglomerate of people of both high and low risk. Where are those separate age cohorts? We need to see them…
The adverse effects:
Fenton et al suspect some of the adverse effects of the vaccine may be occurring in people who catch Covid either just before, or just after getting vaccinated. If that’s the case, we ought not have that in Australia, at least in some states where vaccination programs have gone out with no Covid present at all. Given the rush to push boosters now, surely understanding the risks would be priority number one, so we could reduce them?
But few in the Ministry of Health seem too concerned about our actual health.
The bottom line:
Covid vaccines don’t seem to prevent deaths overall. That surely changes the risk-benefit equation. If there is an advantage in getting vaccinated against Covid, it is seemingly offset by the side effects of taking Covid vaccines.
Thanks to Custer van Cleef. Prophet of Boom. Paul Cottingham. David E. OriginalSteve
REFERENCE
Neil, and Fenton et al (2021) Latest statistics on England mortality data suggest systematic mis-categorisation of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccination
[3] UKHSA. COVID-19 vaccine surveillance report, Week 44. https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/10
31157/Vaccine-surveillance-report-week-44.pdf
‘Urgent’ British report calls for complete cessation of COVID vaccines in humans
The UK-based Evidence-Based Medicine Consultancy Ltd submitted to the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) in Britain which states bluntly that “the MHRA now has more than enough evidence on the Yellow Card system to declare the COVID-19 vaccines unsafe for use in humans.”
Of course the MSM will ignore this important news. More importantly governments will not change their course at this late stage. Clearly they are not interested in our health and only interested in maximising their power and authority of the people AT ALL COSTS.
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Evidence based medicine is so passe.
It all about randomized controlled trials now (with the emphasis on controlled)
Just like diagnosis vs a “proper” assessment with high cycle PCR testing.
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They won’t stop until mission is accomplished and the mission isn’t eliminating Covid or minimising deaths from any cause. The mission is simply to vaccinate EVERYBODY and thus eliminate the ‘control group’, those pesky people who, ten years from now, may prove to be significantly more healthy than the vaccinated, who by then are dying in large numbers from heart and other inflammatory conditions.
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I think you will find it is nothing to do with health. Psychopaths and sociopaths do not have feelings, except arrogance and self-worth, so why would they care. Jimmy Saville hid behind his charity work; psycho billionaires hide behind philanthropy; perfect misdirection. The mission is to introduce worldwide digital currencies, that are being developed and trialled by many many countries right now, and to tag everyone, sorry, give everyone a digital ID, do away with cash and achieve complete control of every aspect of our lives. But, to paraphrase great uncle Klaus, we’ll be happy owning and doing nothing but exploring the meta verse. Welcome to the Matrix.
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From the actual letter to the UK Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency by Dr Tess Lawrie
https://b3d2650e-e929-4448-a527-4eeb59304c7f.filesusr.com/ugd/593c4f_b2acdef3774b4e9ca06e9fae526fd5cd.pdf
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This just goes to show how statistics can be manipulated to show whatever you want them to show, although I don’t think they expected the consequence of their data manipulation to incorrectly show that the vaccine prevents deaths of all kinds.
This kind of manipulation worked for misleading people about CO2, only because they made the science so convoluted and the justification so intangible they hoped nobody would see through their BS. People getting sick and dying is too tangible for this kind of malfeasance to work.
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Yes CO2isnotevil, we all know that why figures don’t lie, liars can and do figure.
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Apparently 100% vax rate doesn’t help….
https://m.theepochtimes.com/overwhelmingly-vaccinated-cornell-university-shuts-down-campus-as-covid-19-cases-spike_4157029.html
“Overwhelmingly Vaccinated Cornell
“University Shuts Down Campus as COVID-19 Cases Spike
By GQ Pan
December 14, 2021 Updated: December 14, 2021
“In a message released Tuesday, Cornell President Martha E. Pollack told the campus community that the university’s surveillance testing “has continued to identify the rapid spread of COVID-19” among students.
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Apparently, it’s the Omicron variant, whose lethality seems to be equivalent to the common cold. It’s sad to see them over react like this. When I was there, some sort of cold or flu would frequently get passed around.
There will be many more over reactions to ordinary occurrences spanning more than just COVID. For example, over reacting to an extreme weather event because someone insanely thinks CO2 emissions caused it.
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They are not over-reacting they are working to the plan, it’s just that their new variant, unfortunately for them, wasn’t supposed to be mild, but they pretend it’s a threat and plough on anyway.. That’s the greatest give-away yet for those who are willing to see.
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It does not matter if the threat is real or not, as long as its perceived to be real!
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If they can’t ‘die of covid’, or ‘die with covid’ … then they can ‘die near covid’ …
https://www.smh.com.au/national/prominent-aboriginal-leader-dies-in-covid-19-ward-20211212-p59gul.html
Pathetic and desperate turned up to 11.
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Whether it’s the first time or not is irrelevant. The real issue is the damage being caused by mRNA COVID-19 vaccines is both alarming and serious yet completely and deliberately ignored by governments.
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Best kept in context, PeterS, it would save us some time in assessing what was meant:
This portion of the interview ended at just around the 26-minute mark.
https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/vaccine/no-fauci-did-not-tell-mark-zuckerberg-covid-19-vaccine-would-make-people-worse/536-0a517215-02c6-4e53-b748-bf0a048acf9c
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l do not get your point markx?
where is PeterS saying anything to do with your so called fact checkers claims that has nothing to do with the context?
“Fauci was not telling Zuckerberg the COVID-19 vaccine would make you more likely to get infected with COVID-19, or get worse, as Twitter users claimed.”
lMHO your fact checkers are an entertainment mob like their ABC LOL
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Fenton’s article is fascinating (as is the unpersoning of him and his research group within the peer group and publishers, as a consequence of this (self)publication – the scientific press wouldn’t touch it. Science or politics? Hmmm, let me guess.
What I really wanted to say, though, was that there is quite a literature on the nonspecific effects (NSE) of vaccines – impact on mortality and morbidity from other causes. Oddly, that can be significant- surprisingly so too – both to the upside and to the downside. Aaby and Benn were the original focal authors in this extensive stream of research and this is a good entry point.
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Thanks Angus, that’s interesting. There is a lot going on.
I’ve encountered the idea of “the hygiene hypothesis”; and know several folks that grew up playing in dirt and around animals. I, for instance, have no immediate reaction to shots, including flu and covid. That’s no, with a full stop. Long term, covid might be different, but none of the 3 shots caused redness, pain, swelling, or anything else.
I continue reading and learning, but I am not satisfied with much of what is being reported.
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Veteran actor fired for refusing Covid-19 vaccine sues American Broadcasting Company (ABC)
If successful it would set a precedent. Then more of these cases will start occurring and governments will have to find another scam.
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Ingo was one of my clients in Bundaberg in the early about 1993-4. Funny to sudden see him again. He was based then, and still appears to be now..
BTW: I’ve been told that a number of businesses in NSW will continue enforcing the “no jab, no entry” regime despite this no longer being required by govt. Does anyone know if this is “unlawful” in any way?
Please, everyone: no guesses. Just the facts, m’am.
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Daily Telegraph – Should unvaccinated people be allowed back in the community today?
Yes 39 % – No 61 % – 670 votes
The return of the unvaccinated to venues has left some feeling uneasy.
It is why a number of pubs and clubs, including Forestville RSL, Dee Why RSL, Panthers Penrith, Coogee Diggers, Coogee Legion Club, Wentworth Leagues, Mosman Club, Beach Club Collaroy, Balgowlah RSL and Long Reef Golf Club have opted to continue allowing only fully vaccinated punters in for the time being.
“We were getting quite a bit of feedback from members and staff that there was quite a bit of concern, and when you start to get that level of feedback you’d be silly to ignore it,” Forestville RSL CEO Ian Thomson said.
“So we sat down as a management team and as a board, and thought this was the right step and the right thing to do but we also said if it changes markedly between now and then, for the positive, we’ll review it.”
From the Comments
Being vaccinated doesn’t stop you from getting the virus. So I don’t understand people’s aversion to the unvaccinated, as if they’re some sort of un-persons
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“So I don’t understand people’s aversion to the unvaccinated, as if they’re some sort of un-persons”
Simple.
They object to the presence of the unvaccinated and the unmasked because they ARE NOT CONFORMING to the Government/Media/Pharma programme, and thus incite anxiety (maybe they have a point) in those who do conform.
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One thing for sure … it’s not about health.
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Old Ozzie and Mark. It has to be an addled-brain issue as well….At exactly the moment that there are numerous hotspot outbreaks in Newcastle and Sydney…ALL at fully-vaxed venues….. these people cannot draw the conclusion that the vaxed ARE as big a worry as the unvaxed?
This inability means they must have no intellect left: no intelligence..
noun: intellect
the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively
This has surely been made much worse (than it may previously have been) by the gene-therapy micro-clotting they’ve subjected themselves to. It really IS like a zombie apocalypse flick now, isn’t it: poor
pathetic sods!
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Scientists Identify Young Vaccinated People as Source for Omicron Variant
December 14, 2021 – Sundance
This is a little interesting. According to The Telegraph [Tweet Link], the ‘scientific data’ is showing that young vaccinated people are the source carriers for the latest Omicron variant. {Telegraph Article, Paywall}
What makes this interesting is both the timing and sequence.
The “Delta” variant surfaced and spread during the vaccination program for people over 40 years old.
The “Omicron” variant surfaced and spread during the vaccination program for people under 40 years old.
It’s almost as if… the vaccination and boosters are what creates the variant.
Meanwhile
NSW cases rise again to 1360, one death
– The Prime Minister was one of among 1000 guests who attended the ball at the International Convention Centre in Darling Harbour on Friday.
Pictures from the event show Mr Morrison standing shoulder to shoulder with performers from Boys In The Band who entertained guests.
Overnight NSW Health issued an alert for the 1000 guests after it was confirmed a positive case attended the venue.
– More than 700 people have been exposed to Omicron in Melbourne after a positive case attended nightlife venues on Friday.
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Remember when the whole class had stay back after school because someone misbehaved. But a few kids got away go early because their mothers came to pick them up? THAT’S how the vax feel about the unvaxed ‘We’re all being punished – it’s just not fair you’re getting off scot free’
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Yeah. They’ve been mislead and are shirty about it.
The ones whose brain are not yet totally mashed by the gene-injections are wondering how long they still have to live….While the uncontaminated non-suckers lurk about waiting to pick up cheap property from the coming avalanche of deceased estate sales….
Some call us real estate vultures. Others (on-line dating sites mainly) call us pure-blood stallions. Tough gigs but someone’s gotta do it I suppose!
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misled
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Thanks Serp
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Good question.
More to the point – how do they know you are vaxxed?
If they demand your personal and private health information, is that legal?
What is their privacy policy regarding this information – it’s hard to imagine that privacy can be assured when entry is allowed or denied based on this status.
Would it be legal if the requirement was for a smallpox vax?
For a negative HIV test?
Heb A/B/C?
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Kneel. They will have to ask every patron.
Is it legal / lawful if you decline to answer so they boot you out, d’ya reckon? Especially as you might be vaxed and still want to “guard” your privacy.
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PeterS:
They already have that “other” scam hot to trot:
The CLIMATE scam has been getting tweaked and refined for decades. It has NEVER really been about the natural world and now it will become “militarized”.
It is already happening with the forced imposition of the impossible “engineering” that is the renewables farce
This is all of a package: Science? The favoured model is the ultimate self contradiction, which makes it even more destructive; SOCIAL “Science”.
There is a LOT of it about.
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What religion is he that doesn’t accept vaccination?
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Breaking News: Pfizer’s Own Stats: 1200+/40,000 Trial Participants Dead | Interview with Dr. Nagase
Effects on pregnant women…
Out of 274 pregnancy cases where pregnant women received this injection, there were 75 serious reported clinical events. 75 over 274. That’s a 27% serious clinical event instance. Any pregnant woman who received this injection after April 30th, 2021 should be suing their obstetrician for malpractice. Absolutely unheard of.
Effects on our children…
There were 34 instances where children under the age of 12 were given this injection between December 1st and February 28th. Of those 34 children, 24 had serious side effects. Of those 24 kids who had a serious case after getting this injection 16 were resolved or resolving, 13 had not resolved and five were unknown.
Risks of genetic damage to children….
We’re not even talking about the genetic damage. This is just the damage that they discovered in the first three months between December 1st and February 28th, a pregnancy is nine full months. We don’t know how many of the other cases that were non-serious in the first two months might turn into serious events, miscarriages stillbirths, birth defects, deformities, developmental delay, which is where a child doesn’t develop the ability to walk, talk or think at a normal rate. In previous years, it was called mental retardation. We have no idea what the long-term effects are.
Are smaller doses for children safe and effective?
No, as long as there’s enough of a dose, if it’s a 1/3, one quarter, one tenth a dose, it only changes the amount of time it takes to produce copies of itself. It’ll just take a little bit longer at one tenth of the dose than at the full adult dose. There is no safe dose for this injection.
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Peter, you need to read the paper again.
The 40,000 were adverse effects.
In the FOI .pdf, the total number of participants is marked as “b”!
So it could be 4 million or 40,000.
We will know in 55 years.
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Why would they need to redact a denominator? Malfeasance.
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I’m surprised YT haven’t banned this (yet). A brutally honest interview with Melissa Ciummei, an independent financial investor from Northern Ireland, aired in late November as part of the “Iconoclast” series. It conveys the vision of a dystopian future that the self-proclaimed “elite” want to give us. It only depends on us whether we allow them to give our children such a fate, and the way things are going thus far it appears we do want to give our children such a fete.
Melissa Ciummei
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Yes – the Fenton analysis is surely the most important study done so far on Covid and the efficacy of the current vaccines. He is one of the most respected statisticians in medical research in the UK & can’t be dismissed as others have been.
It destroys the mythology about the gene therapies. But will it be a game changer? Yet to be seen. And that is the trouble – it WONT be seen – at least not by the average person – because mainstream medi will avoid it (pardon the pun) – like the plague!
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Doctors are not immune to pressure from their employers, as was pointed out yesterday at American Thinker where a doctor went into great detail about the fiasco of unused antivirals while pushing vaccines which fail to work as advertised and masks ditto.
Explaining the stats in that article to anyone is a bit difficult, but the bleeding obvious is that goal posts have marched as dramatically as Birnham Wood to Dunsinane (MacBeth). The booster push lays bare the failure of the vaccines. Masks have been applied as if they work when they don’t. Lockdowns have done more damage than good. The failure of both government and health authorities to employ alternatives is shocking, negligent, and destroys faith in the system.
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In the graphs there are 2 y axis labels which axis applies to which lines ?
this whole article is confusing
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It’s extremely complex.
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After you are vaccine damaged, if you complain about symptoms you will be REQUIRED to take psychiatric medications
https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/12/after-you-are-vaccine-damaged-if-you.html
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Dr. McCullough m=gave a long audio interview of great note https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/12/dr-mccullough-mgave-long-audio.html
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Try this short video, it is clear that vaccines are NOT 95% efficacious.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GeyTD17aN6z8/
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The RH axis is percentage of vaccines given in one week. In other words there were a few weeks when most vaccinated people were vaccinated. It is for the dotted lines only.
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Can one of those who red thumbed Gee Ayes reply please explain why? The answer appears to be correct.
Here’s some multiple choice to make answering easy
a) Reflex response to a Gee Aye comment
b) I didn’t understand the answer so it must have been silly
c) I’m colour blind and am old enough to remember when an up-turned thumb was a rude gesture
d) The answer was wrong
e) The answer was right but a green thumb would only encourage Gee Aye
f) Huh?
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“Can one of those who red thumbed Gee Ayes reply please explain why?”
I don’t know.
Can two?
Will one ?
No idea.
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f)
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I’d say it’s a combination of a) and e)
I’m in agreement with you – her answer was correct so it’s a green thumb from me.
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Good point HB. The charts are not legible without referring to the Preprint article.
The left axis shows mortality per 100,000 vaccinated and unvaccinated. (Left axis and solid lines)
The right axis shows percentage uptake of the first and second doses of the vaccine (Right axis, and dotted lines)
COVID mortality has been removed.
It is certainly an important paper, and an important post by Jo.
I think it is most likely issue is that deaths from people vaccinated less than 14 days ago are classified as unvaccinated. And that there are simply more vaccine related deaths than are recorded.
(and perhaps the second dose of the vaccine is not considered as having been administered until after a further 14 days have elapsed? (???!!!) The single dose peak happens to occur 3 weeks after the time the second dose would be administered.
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Meanwhile, in Scotland….
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/03/fully-vaccinated-account-for-9-in-every-10-covid-19-deaths-since-august-according-to-latest-official-data/
“Authorities are slowly tightening the noose again around the necks of the British public in response to an alleged new Covid-19 variant dubbed Omicron that is feared may evade the current available Covid-19 vaccines. The problem with this is official data shows the alleged Delta variant has been evading the Covid-19 vaccines for at least the 3 past months, because since August 2021 the fully vaccinated have accounted for 9 in every 10, Covid-19 deaths.
“Public Health Scotland (PHS) publish a weekly report on Covid-19 statistics which includes data on cases, hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status.
“The report includes data over a period of four weeks and the latest statistics were published by PHS on December 1st 2021, including data on cases and hospitalisations from 30th October to 26th November 2021, and data on deaths from 23rd October to 19th November 2021.
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Yes, it appears there is no mortality graph for those vaccinated, only those unvaccinated and those having the first dose. They should show some relationship after two weeks as the people having the first injection move into the first dose curve, and those who have not had an injection stay in the unvaxed line.
I expected a line for those who were fully vaxxed after the (second injection plus two weeks), one that split off from the single-dose line, showing those with two injections, those with one injection and those with no injections.
Something doesn’t seem right between the graph and the explanation. Looking at it, the first injection kills you after 20weeks, but there is no information about what happens after the 2nd jab.
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Peter, you need to read the paper again.
The 40,000 were adverse effects.
In the FOI .pdf, the total number of participants is marked as “b”!
So it could be 4 million or 40,000.
We will know in 55 years.
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No idea why that post doubled up?
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Covid can do anything.
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Yeah, just like Co2.
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Interesting paper. Lets see how much impact it makes. It reminds me a little of blockbuster climate sceptic papers that just seem to be ignored by those in charge who have their own agenda.
As regards Covid, there has been an astonishing rebellion by 98 Tory Mp’s against the govt position on more restrictions, especially those the govt claim are essential to combat the new variant
https://dailysceptic.org/2021/12/14/the-rebel-alliance/
There is no doubt that more data is getting out and this colours MP’s views. However the prime reason for this unprecedented revolt is that the covid passport in particular causes a great deal of concern as to its effects on freedoms.
All of this not helped by the No10 2020 Christmas parties.
Lets hope the MP’s widen their reading and look at covid in a much broader context including he non desirability of passports, that masks are not effective, that not everyone benefits from getting a jab and the economic and social pain involved.
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Two weeks does leaves a nice window.
You can’t have adverse reaction if you are unvaxxed.
Lies and statistics.
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I have had close contacts to those that have just had Covid vaccinations report severe flu like symptoms. Don’t really nderstand why and how this happens!
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I believe one of the reasons is ADE. Antibody Dependent Enhancement. This is what killed all the animals in the mRNA trials. The so-called vaccines initially work as expected – they trick your cells into producing spike proteins and your immune system is provoked into creating antibodies.
However, the antibodies are faulty. Instead of killing the next cold/flu virus which comes along, the antibodies grasp it clumsily and drag the virus into your cells, infecting you.
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I think there is much we don’t know.
See my comment at #5.1
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John. Have you considered that pharma companies know all about how to run randomised controlled trials, whereby only a percentage of the vials are the real deal? And that then there may be varying doses within THEM.
Say 10% full strength, 20% at half, 20% at a quarter and 50% saline or some-such. With each successive injection you get more accumulation, though, of course some will get saline again, or only a 25% vial. Etc.
IF it was only two shots as advertized, PLENTY would get through with little…or NO…spike protein therapy. However it is now multiple injections for maybe years to come, by which time EVERYONE will get a serious dose.
Kinda like playing roulette or betting randomly on the horses, or even going in for Russian Roulette. Play often enough and eventually you WILL be wiped out!
BTW: This method is meant to get the (initial) placebo folk out and about saying how great the vaccination was. No side effects at all. Get it guys!
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Bingo!
If you look at mortality rates for jabbed vs. unjabbed and ignore the “two weeks until considered vaccinated”, you see a far more alarming picture.
Other analyses of the UK data show all cause mortality rates in the 10 to 60 age range twice as high for the jabbed vs. unjabbed.
And there is a similar problem for Fauci flu infection and hospitalization rates. Above 30 years, they are higher in the jabbed vs. unjabbed.
The experimental shots have been a colossal mistake.
Now when Omicron could have saved the day, it can’t. For the unjabbed it means they can more safely aquire natural immunity. But the jabbed sacrificed their chance for natural immunity. Those that got jabbed do not aquire long lasting broad based natural immunity from subsequent infection. (This may be a temporary effect, but this is currently the situation.)
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A very acute observation Analytic and Konrad.
Jo cautiously does not explicitly mention “vaccine deaths”!
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>”vaccine deaths”
Getting awkward in Scotland:
‘Fully Vaccinated account for 9 in every 10 Covid-19 Deaths since August according to latest Official Data’ [Scotland PHS]
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/03/fully-vaccinated-account-for-9-in-every-10-covid-19-deaths-since-august-according-to-latest-official-data/
Comments are interesting. Some dispute the raw numbers e.g. “You can’t look at raw numbers or percentages, because you don’t know that the group of unvaccinated is as big as the group of vaccinated. If there are a million vaxxed in the country vs just 1000 unvaxxed, then the numbers and relative percentages can mislead you. You should be looking at the death rate per capita (per 100k)”
I see no problem with raw number analysis. The title is an entirely correct report of the current situation in Scotland.
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Yes, I’ve advised Daily Expose that the raw numbers can be confusing for those without mathematical/statistical reasoning so why not calculate figures based on populations of jabbed vs unjabbed. At the time I remember suggesting the population of jabbed = 75% of adults and unjabbed =25% (roughly). After doing the numbers, which I won’t bother you with here, it would appear there was no difference between jabbed vs unjabbed. That being the case, why get jabbed?
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As Konrad says above (jabbed vs unjabbed) a simple way to cut through all this is subtefuge to use the terms “injected” or “uninjected”.
Thus: “if a person has a vaccine and dies in the next two weeks, it’s classed as an “unvaccinated death” becomes “if a person has an injection and dies in the next two weeks, it’s classed as an “uninjected death” which is patently a lie.
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The experimental shots have been a colossal mistake.
Only if you believe that the Governments of the world, all acting in their destructive synchronised choreography, intended that the “vaccines” should actually protect people.
I doubt that the elites pushing the NWO reset see the “vaccines” as a colossal mistake.
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Yes Mark. No mistakes and no unintended consequences. We are way past that stuff being plausible.
I’ve already mentioned an old dear (up the street) who told me she’s on her way for a third injection this Friday. And she’s got all the symptoms of micro-clotting (wheezing and weakness etc lungs/heart: lost almost all her memory and balance (brain) suddenly). This one’s Pfizer…after two AZ. Two doctors ordered this. No mistakes at all!
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Glad the paper was interesting…. 😉
FYI , hope im wrong, but next wave of b**ster-driven infections due early Jan in oz, based on the 4 month calculation..
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” … next wave of b**ster-driven infections due early Jan in oz …”
This will be designated “the Omicron wave” and all states will “be reluctantly forced by circumstances” to lock us all down hard once more.
This pattern is based on mind-control techniques required to “break” a prisoner’s will, and it involves periods of rule-relaxation before another round of even heavier restrictions.
An analogy might be the bending back and forth of a piece of metal until a hair-line fracture begins, leading to a complete break.
West Australia still has “too many” vaxx-dodgers and so will require a heavy and prolonged shut down over summer to help “convince” the hesitant to hop abroad the vaxx-train.
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The continued pushout of these #&%$@ vaccines reminds one of the old saying, ‘ The floggings will continue until morale improves’.
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This is a cover-up of epic proportions, commensurate with the amount of money being made from vaccines, sanitizers, testing kits and masks. The kickbacks to politicians, ‘health’ administrators and journos must be ginormous.
And we do not yet know the long term cost of injecting untested genetic concoctions into our populace.
But the drum does not stop beating, and we are now talking of injecting our children, despite the risk of them suffering from this virus being demonstrably negligible.
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Geet vander Boschhe appears to strenuously insist that we should not vaccinate kids, and boosters are insane
See :
https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/the-keys-to-unlock-the-golden-gate-of-herd-immunity-towards-sars-cov-2
“Under no circumstances should young and healthy people be vaccinated as it will only erode their protective innate immunity towards Coronaviruses (CoV) and other respiratory viruses.
“Their innate immunity normally/ naturally largely protects them and provides a kind of herd immunity in that it dilutes infectious CoV pressure at the level of the population, whereas mass vaccination turns them into shedders of more infectious variants
Never stop speaking out, because bad stuff happens in the dark ….
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Yes and because of such he is being targeted by the evil propagators. Keep a list of these purveyor’s of filth as the days of atonement near, the sooner the better.
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Mathew Crawford analyses the statistics and shows that the excess mortality for vaccinated and unvaccinated groups in the UK are practically the same:
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/uk-data-shows-no-all-cause-mortality
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Sorry for doubling up on your post RobB – my bad
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“Given the rush to push boosters now, surely understanding the risks would be priority number one, so we could reduce them?
“But few in the Ministry of Health seem too concerned about our actual health.
And that point is correct – if the unspoken agenda was to roll out vaccines *without* regard to what the vaccines were doing to the population……
This is the big boy discussion the powers that be will never touch, as it will red pill the population all at once.
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My local A&E department in the UK has recently asked people not to go, due to high demand. What problems are they dealing with? It can’t be COVID, those people go to the plague wards.
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Statistician Matt Crawford wrote an analysis back in November that came to the same conclusion based on previous UK statistics. His analysis is thorough and compelling
https://roundingtheearth.substack.com/p/uk-data-shows-no-all-cause-mortality
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It’s a most wonderful time of the year …
German police arrest mask-less Santa at Christmas market
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/12/13/german-police-arrest-santa-claus-for-not-wearing-a-mask-at-christmas-market/
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https://www.hartgroup.org/why-do-they-hide-what-happens-in-the-first-two-weeks-after-vaccination/
Survivorship bias happens when a group is compared at two time points, but the members of the group change between the time points.
With covid vaccination there is a two week period after vaccination that is not included in the data. The rationale given for this is that vaccines take a while to induce antibodies and therefore the first two weeks’ data are not relevant.
Obviously this is flawed. What if the vaccines have deleterious effects that are visible straightaway, that have nothing to do with antibody production? An example is the high rate of shingles seen after covid vaccination, suggesting there is a problem with viral reactivation. This may explain why Sars-CoV-2 infection rates are actually higher in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated in the first two weeks after vaccination.
The effect of eliminating the first two weeks is a misleading data bias. If people become infected and are dying during that period, this needs to be included. The possibility that the vaccine itself may exert an effect on infection rate cannot be overlooked and the entire dataset needs to be included in order to accurately assess effectiveness. By only measuring the period after the higher risk of infection (0-14 days) it is possible to be deceived. Any signal would be missed.
What we are effectively doing is ‘speeding up’ the wave of infections (and deaths). Ultimately at the end of the viral season, the same number of people died. Because of excluding the earlier deaths (1-14 days), we are misled into thinking that the vaccines were more effective than they actually were. By only looking at the later period and seeing fewer deaths during that time, the illusion was created that lives were saved. This is evident in data from many countries following vaccine roll-out.
Let’s now examine some specific examples, e.g. this study of nursing home residents in the United States. [Graph embedded] The results show that over the course of the study 6.8% of the vaccinated population were infected and 6.8% of the unvaccinated population were infected. However, by deciding that the first 14 days after vaccination should be excluded, the grey area for the vaccinated group [deaths only after 14 days post-vaccination] is compared to the black and grey [total deaths] area combined for the unvaccinated. Doing so could lead to the claim of 66% vaccine efficacy against infection. The authors of this study were honest enough to share the raw data and did not claim 66% efficacy.
However, numerous studies have relied on this trick to make claims of vaccine efficacy. The most obvious examples of this are the original Pfizer trial study and the AstraZeneca trial.
See the entire article.
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Maybe new hashtag needs to be started :
#VaxxedIsVaxxed
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The paper does not conclude this. It is just cow manure.
This is what was concluded:
Keep in mind the the comparison here is against the pre Covid average. We know the vaccines cause deaths – they are not risk free. But the death rate for Covid cases in the UK pre vaccine was 17%. It is now down to 0.25% and about half the deaths are unvaccinated from a population where 70% are vaccinated.
https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=United%20Kingdom&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=mortalityRate-daily-30&data-source=owid&xaxis=right&extra=Australia#countries-normalized
Australia shows the same result with a dramatic reduction in death rate from Covid after vaccination.
One possible conclusion from the data is that the UK public health system has been overwhelmed and the data collection not up to standard.
Australia shows a reduction in mortality for heart attacks and strokes in 2021:
https://www.abs.gov.au/statistics/health/causes-death/provisional-mortality-statistics/jan-2020-aug-2021
There has been a slight increase in mortality due to increase in cancer related deaths and dementia related deaths. Maybe someone can find a link to the vaccines for these. No doubt someone will try to make a link.
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“Australia shows the same result with a dramatic reduction in death rate from Covid after vaccination.”
Rick, how can you say that?
The Australian CV19 death rate has increased markedly over the last three months.
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The death rate for Covid infection in Australia in the first wave last year peaked at 20%. This year, during vaccinations, it peaked at 0.7% in August and has been at 0.5% for most of the last 3 months. And more than half the deaths are unvaccinated now from a tiny minority of the population.
Look at the link I posted! Then you will see why I can say it. The chart makes it clear.
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Last year’s detected infections were overwhelmingly with the aged. Testing has become far more widespread across the community.
Your 20% is cherry picking.
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Exactly, the peak death rate of 1 death out of every 5 people tested is a function of the number of people tested and their demographic. That peak death rate is skewed.
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And as I mentioned in the post, if the problem with the vaccines is connected with undetected Covid infections both just before and just after vaccination then we may have had fewer side effects because we had a lot less Covid circulating that the UK and US did.
Rick, I really don’t see how the two quotes you provide show that I didn’t sum it up accurately. Indeed, it’s almost like a defacto endorsement of what I wrote?
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They fiddled with the data to produce the conclusion they wanted and in the statement I linked in their conclusion, they admit that.
I have looked at the raw data for the UK and the vaccines are highly effective. Excess deaths in the UK through the period of Covid is now at 220/100k. That is dominated by Covid deaths 9 to 1. So vaccines have allowed them to open the economy without significant loss of life.
At no point have any of the companies producing the vaccines claimed they are risk free.
I am highly skeptical of the abundance of conspiracy theories surrounding the vaccines. You should be too.
Vaccine bluggers can come up with all sorts of nonsense for why the are leaving the risk tp others. But bluggers they are; not prepared to take on the risk for sake of the community. Thankfully they are the tiny minority in Australia and our health system is coping just fine.
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Vaccine hesitancy shaming at its best!
BTW How are the “bludgers” (I take it your misspelt your intended pejorative) not taking “on the risk for sake of the community” since the gene therapy spike protein vaccines do not impede transmission of the Delta variant (and now Omicron as well)?
It has been proven that the front loading of the infection in the nasal passage means that by the time the antibodies from the vaccines can fight the infection (since they are only in the bloodstream and not mucosal) the infectiousness peak period has passed. In fact the vaccinated are the likely spreaders since the induced antibodies will reduce symptoms for a meaningful infection and keep the infected person mobile and social while they still have significant nasal infection.
And since the vaccinated do not develop antibodies to the n proteins of the virus capsule, they can get infected multiple times (increasingly so as “efficacy” wanes) so they provide a reservoir of hosts that would be denied with a herd of those naturally immune after recovery.
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Rick,
I don’t like being labeled a VaXXine Bludger.
Eighteen months ago I took three vaccines in the space of two weeks. Perhaps that was a bit much.
One of those was the annual flu VaXXine, something I’d stopped getting after a death and adverse reactions.
I took the Vaxxines because I wanted to make sure I wasn’t going to get anything else if I picked up CV19, which I wasn’t getting the VaXXine for.
For my troubles I wound up in hospital for three days with extensive clotting to both lungs. Did the flu VaXX get me?
As mentioned previously, the number of adverse effects reports on the CV19 VaXXines from my small social circle is not something to be ignored; in fact it’s frightening and has led me to be very wary.
The handling of the CV19 drama by government has many flaws and deserves serious assessment and corrective action.
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It is a shame that Rick Will doesn’t know what he is talking about regarding the UK.
The current fatality rate for unvaccinated is no where near a half of the total.
The actual numbers for the last 4 weeks are from the UK.Gov site are
Unvaccinated = 708
Vaccinated = 2572
As for the fatality by case rates he and the paper he linked to ignore that in the first wave the only people being tested were those turning up at the hospital already seriously ill or presenting with symptoms, now they are testing over a million “perfectly healthy” people every day.
He listens to the propaganda instead of looking at the actual data and using logic.
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“It is a shame that Rick Will . . . ”
It is indeed a shame , but it is entirely understandable ; the alternative would be annihilation of the self -image.
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https://balance10.blogspot.com/2021/12/dr-paul-thomas-sean-mchugh-tell-their.html
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Many doctors are trying to speak out about the dramatic rise in soft tissue cancers amongst the “vaccinated”.
Stop and think Rick. The DNA (AZ) and mRNA (Pfizer, Moderna) materials need to enter cells and co-opt cell machinery to produce spike proteins. Just like a virus, except they dont produce copies of themselves.
So what was done to stop the inate immune system from attacking the “benign mRNA/DNA viruses” before they could enter cells? Why are T-cell counts dropping in the jabbed? T-cells that are a first crude line of defense against many cancers.
These “vaccines” not worked as advertised. Seriously, when you’ve got the Establishment Misleadia pumping out stories about “pandemic stress” causing heart problems or strokes in children being “more common than you think”, it’s time to admit we are looking at Thalidomide 2.0.
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This is the fakest of fake news.
The RNA is protected from fast enzymatic breakdown by using nucleic acid analogues that are not recognised by the enzymes. They don’t do anything to the immune system, they just dodge it. Fake news anti-vaxxers like yourself mis-characterise this as suppressing the whole immune system. It is wrong and it is unscientific.
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You speak with such authority it sounds like you know what you are talking about.
Except :-
The UK government stated “N antibody levels appear to be lower in people who acquire infection following two doses of vaccination.”
Perhaps you would like to argue with the sientists that did this study?
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210510/Research-suggests-Pfizer-BioNTech-COVID-19-vaccine-reprograms-innate-immune-responses.aspx#Important-Notice
Or this one on the affect of spike proteins
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8538446/
Or this one
https://greatgameindia.com/spike-protein-inhibits-dna-repair/
Please do not quote the Pharma pimp at Sciencebasedmedicine as a valid source.
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Mr. Osborn: “[GA] speaks with such authority….”
This trait is so strong with GA, if it seemed at all uncertain then we would assume GA was hacked.
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you actually linked to 2 articles that support what I wrote and one that is just making stuff up.
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Come now, leaf…..do you have sources to back up the “fake news” hypothesis?
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I think you need to re-read the conclusion from the paper that you posted! Seems to say exactly that:
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You are removing the context. The context is against the average pre-covid mortality. All the vaccine studies showed the vaccines were not risk free. They have relatively high side effects and did cause deaths.
Vaccine related deaths are a tiny fraction of the 220/100k deaths in the UK as a result of Covid so far.
Covid vaccines have saved hundreds of thousands of lives in the UK while allowing near normal mobility.
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But Covid vaccines are higher risk and higher cost than Ivermectin which India, Indonesia, Peru, Mexico and Japan have all used to “save lives while allowing near normal mobility.”
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Jo, You persist with this sick joke – it is not funny. All these countries had so many deaths they had no idea how many people died or what they died of. Ivermectin may have saved a few lives but it is less than 50% reduction in death rate for those who actually acquired it and used it appropriately. The vaccines are better than 90% effective.
If you wish to persist with this fairy tale then please provide the num=ber of doses distributed and the timing of distribution.
India ran short of wood to incinerate the bodies. Indian hospitals could not get oxygen. Indonesia used grave digging as punishment for not following Covid mobility restrictions.
There was no way that Ivermectin could have been produced and distributed in a a meaningful way to reduce the death rate other than in Japan. The infection ran rampant through four of the five countries you list with shocking consequences. They have benefitted from the acquired immunity but are still vaccinating as fas as the vaccinations can be acquired and distributed.
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RickWill, the “sick joke” is it your obstinate denial of the efficacy of ivermectin (and hydroychloroquine and the other drug combinations that have been found to be effective prophylactics and early treatments) and rapturous belief in the efficacy and safety of the gene therapy spike protein vaccines. The way you cherry pick data to support your belief system is right out of the climate change playbook. Your emotional investment is very high for some odd reason.
Your writings on climate change show you have analytical ability so look at the CoViD picture dispassionately and objectively. You managed to abandon your belief that batteries would make renewables viable as replacements for thermal power generation so use that same approach to revise your CoVid outlook
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Ivermectin may not be a fully effective treatment for someone who has covid. But it does greatly assist with stopping the spread. Something the vaccine doesn’t do.
Not all of India used Ivermectin and it wasn’t used early. There appears to have been notable benefits where it was used.
Relevance to Ivermectin?
But not where and while Ivermectin was being used.
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By now there are enough physicians who have used theraputics and have reported zero deaths that arguments to the contrary are suspicious to say the least.
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Dear JoNova, a must watch.
DR. PETER MCCULLOUGH ON JOE ROGAN: ASYMPTOMATIC TRANSMISSION AND GETTING COVID-19 TWICE
https://www.bitchute.com/video/JffnGZNEujN2/
IT WAS ALL PREMEDITATED, TO PROMOTE THE VAX – DR. PETER MCCULLOUGH DROPS THE MOTHERLODE ON JOE ROGAN
https://www.bitchute.com/video/TxVcFc2vsmgK/
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About a week ago I spent some time looking at US all cause mortality between US states. It was hard to see much of a pattern. Overall excess all cause mortality seemed to range between 15% more in highly vaccinated states to 20% more in mostly unvaccinated states. In all states the excess mortality seemed to be increasing no matter what the vaccinated status is. When Delta hit in mid July excess mortality accelerated in all states. Excess deaths in 25-45 yo adults seems to running 40% higher. By not seeing much of a pattern I meant the excess deaths did not seem to decrease or stay the same except in the 75+ group. in the highly vaccinated 65 – 75 group excess deaths continued after vaccination in both vaccinated and unvaccinated states
Its a problem that the CDC is suppressing any other treatment than the vaccine. I use to have a lot of respect for the CDC, now I turn Fauci off whenever I hear him talk. We use off label drugs frequently in the US. When did it become virtue to prohibit them because they might keep people from taking the vaccine.
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We all know that the 220 you quote includes non-covid related deaths as doctors/hospitals were encouraged to note the death as covid. It’s the old BS in, BS out.
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Also worthwhile noting that Australia has 75% of population fully vaccinated compared with UK at 70%. Australia is close to achieving herd immunity (for Delta) with an infection rate 1/10th of what the UK is experiencing.
People taking the risk to get vaccinated are doing the heavy lifting in the community. Vaccine bluggers have a right to not be vaccinated but should be aware they are bluggers, relying on the rest of the community to lower the infection rate so they can move about the community at lower risk of getting Covid.
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Rick, you are not understanding the science.
Australia cannot have herd immunity. We mass used the experimental shots. We now find that the shots don’t stop infection or transmission, and worse: they prevent a jabbed person from aquiring long lasting broad based natural immunity from infection after being jabbed.
We can’t have what Sweden has. It’s too late. We missed that opportunity.
All that is left open to us is natural immunity via Omicron for the Cleanbloods and Indian style early outpatient treatment kits for the permanently compromised jabbed.
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You are right. We have avoided the mess that Sweden was to arrive in exactly the same place now. They lost thousands to Covid while Australia lost a fraction of that and the death rates to Covid are now the same.
https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries-normalized&highlight=Sweden&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=owid&xaxis=right&extra=Australia#countries-normalized
Clearly I have a far better understanding of herd immunity than you do otherwise you would have offered some credible data. not some nonsense about Sweden that contradicts your surmising.
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I should add that mobility in Australia has been higher than Sweden throughout the Covid period. And that remains the case today.
Australia has experienced less economic loss than Sweden and a tiny fraction of the 18,600 excess deaths in Sweden since the start of Covid.
Holding Sweden up as the shining light in the Covid pandemic is a miserable joke – it is not even funny.
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Neither is comparing an Island at the end of the World to a country surrounded on all sides and about the size of Tasmania
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Aaron,
At 450,295 square kilometres (173,860 sq mi), Sweden (10.5 million people)is the largest country in Northern Europe, the third-largest country in the European Union, and the fifth largest country in Europe. Tasmania (<0.5 million people) has 68,000 square Km land area. That's 6.6 times the size of Tasmania – so you are WAY out. Sweden is the most urbanised and most industrialized country in Scandinavia (better than Australia, think Saab, Volvo, Erickson) with open borders to the rest of the EU and a lot of immigrant workers and refugees living there in cramped multi-person households unlike most nuclear family Swedes. That greatly increases chances of cross infection of Covid. Most of their Covid death blowout was early on with Nursing Homes, which they neglected to protect. They are much better now. Sweden does very well with Covid considering their situation. Rick has his head up his arse as usual.
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Sweden has more single occupancy homes than anywhere in the world.
Around 47% of households have just one occupant – typically a child-free, single adult.
Sweden should have and could have had a far lower death rate from Covid. Nearly 20 times as many deaths per capita as Australia.
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” – typically a child-free, single adult.”.
That wouldn’t be a co-morbidity , by any chance , would it?
No idea.
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Jo’s reply discounted nothing I said about Sweden. The large number of immigrant/refugee households commonly have about six people living in them, greatly spreading Covid (ethnic families are very kissy-kissy huggy-huggy). There was a large breakout in nursing homes in 2020 because initially they put in no precautions or restrictions, at all, in those institutions. The virus ran riot in that situation. Since then they have put in restrictions. Sweden still compares very favorably with other European nations particularly UK, Belgium, Italy, Germany and others that ran severe lockdowns and restrictions that Sweden never did.
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Wow.
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Clearly, you have no understanding of herd immunity. It is impossible with a leaky, non sterilising vaccine.
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How dare you, his an expert on everything.
Be on his third cup of coffee by now.
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Can sipper cups hold coffee??
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Yep, just have to check the temp on your wrist first.
43 beans and two teaspoons of stupid, the lad can go all day.
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Explain India.
Big, overpopulated, vaccination rates below 40%, no hope of Covid measures ever being well applied and yet their Covid crisis appears over and with relatively low death rates.
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the shots don’t stop infection or transmission, and worse: they prevent a jabbed person from aquiring long lasting broad based natural immunity ”
This seems to be internally inconsistent.
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Yes, inconsistent.
My searches have failed to find that typical Australian vaccination patterns will result in failure of omicron infection to cause herd immunity. That seems an open question from lack of data and possibly differences in historic immunity between South Africa and other countries just starting with omicron.
Do you have a good reference or two? Geoff S
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Of course it is not.
The Immune system response is only to the spike protein in the vaccine. Natural immunity is to the whole virus and every part of it.
The vaccine immnunity wears off completley and actually goes negative after 6 months.
If the spike protein that is targeted by the vaccine changes sufficiently it would provide no immunity to the new version.
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John, this is what the data from Israel and the UK is showing. The jabbed can be repeatedly infected, but those that aquired covid without first being jabbed rarely get reinfected.
If you get the jabs before getting infected, you are prevented from aquiring long lasting broad based natural immunity if you subsequently get infected. Why the jabs prevent this is unclear.
Another interesting finding in the data is if you are unjabbed and survive a covid infection, subsequent double jabbing reduces your protection.
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Konrad >”this is what the data from Israel and the UK is showing”
The NZ Govt owned propaganda channel TV1, bought and paid for with serial covid messaging, is pushing the South African study.
But studiously ignoring the Israel and HK studies (natch). Links here:
HK experts: BioNTech Covid vaccine 32 times LESS effective against omicron
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-14-biontech-vaccine-32-times-less-effective-omicron.html
NZ rolled out the BioNTech / Pfizer vax at great expense (and profit to Pfizer).
The insipid covid coverage by the NZ media disgusts me. Yes, there are a lot of sheep in NZ. No, the people are not actually sheep but you wouldn’t know it going by TV reporting.
The above gaslighting re SA vs HK/Israel is just another of many examples.
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How can you say that?
Some of the vaccinated arriving in Qld are now spending Christmas in quarantine.
That’s some immunity.
I suppose if none die, it’s because the vax is great…
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Wrote about this yesterday….
If an unvaxed resident Qlder agrees to do the 14 days Hotel and pay the $3000, they get back in. Then next day after being let in, they meet a vaxed (or unvaxed) person carrying the virus and get infected.
Then they could be WORSE than prior to the Quarantine since they may have been clear upon arrival, but now infected.
All paranoid, absurd and hysterical BS from start to finish, or what?
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Sounds like racketeering….
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Wow I am way down here. The nays have it Wick.
I am really testing the sheep I added at the top of the comment, preview shows yellow something.
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Still cant tell what the hell they are……. They are supposed to be white, what sort of colour blind pixels do you have here.
That’s l before l except after l
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What’s a blugger? A new one on me.
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Don’t forget the original Whuhan virus.
Did the vaccines work?
Or was the Delta less lethal?
Just as Omnicron appears so far less lethal than Delta.
It’s the normal course of mutations in many virus progressions.
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Yes – tremendously effective.
Delta was likely more lethal. Delta caused millions of deaths in India where it originated – far too many to count. The whole country was a shambles. They ran out of oxygen. Bodies were burnt on the side of the roads and were floating down rivers.
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Proof?
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India daily death rate during Wuhan wave peaked at 1163. During delta wave it peaked at 4140 but even that is way understand because the hospitals were inundated with Covid cases.
https://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?chart=countries&highlight=India&show=highlight-only&y=both&scale=linear&data=deaths-daily-7&data-source=owid&xaxis=right#countries
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India is hardly comparable to any western country in terms of medical facilities vs the population size. Yes, there was a big spike in mortality with the hospitals being overwhelmed early in the Delta outbreak but that is not a likely situation in western countries – Sweden bear this out
At any rate, it was ivermectin tat crushed the Delta outbreak rather than vaccination. The experiences in Uttar Pradesh and Kerala reflect this
Uttar Pradesh – population ~240 million, ivermectin use for early treatment and prophylaxis, very low vaccination rate, close to zero CoViD cases now
Kerala – population ~36 million, ivermectin use abandoned, relatively high vaccination rate, the majority of India’s CoViD cases and hospitalisations now occurring in this district.
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Proof? – numbers of doses of Ivermectin distributed and time of distribution. You are simply restating a sick joke. India ran short of wood to incinerate bodies.
But you make my point about the deadliness of Delta variant – it did overwhelm hospitals.
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It overwhelmed the hospitals in India but nowhere else, even other countries with barely any vaccinations.
Please explain the enigma of the low CoVid mortality and cases in APOC nations and address Kerala vs Uttar Pradesh while you are at it rather than just ignoring the data
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You cannot claim the vaccines work while the pandemic is ongoing. Especially when the vaxxed are the spreaders.
475,000 official deaths in India, not ” millions”.
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Delta Foxtrot India: “bodies were burnt on the side of the roads and were floating down rivers” –
So nothing has changed in 35 years since I wandered the high roads and back roads of that ancient vibrant congested land: corpses (human and animal) floating seaward down the Ganga, pyres burning day and night – it’s a way of life and a way of death – ain’t nuffin’ new.
[and yes I was ‘shot’ with cholera, typhoid, tetanus, rabies, and one of the heps prior to travelling]
Plus Rick, I’m happy as an unwhacked Cleanblood to be called a “blugger” – don’t know what it is or what it means yet it made me laugh, and as we all know, laughter is the best medicine… thanks for the cure!
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With Covid, India ran short of wood to burn bodies. That is not the norm.
https://www.thenationalnews.com/world/asia/covid-19-in-india-crematoriums-turn-to-cow-dung-as-wood-runs-short-1.1218110
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I think that those Indian wood cutters were bludgers.
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RickWill
For crying out loud man, you are willfully ignorant. Pull your head out of your a***. India has been short of all fuels for over a year now.
To address one of your most often quoted distractions as to what the hell is going on in India I field enquiries every other day from mainly India seeking coal, tyre shred, biomass.. any fuel at all to keep boilers burning for either electricity generation or process steam. There is little relevance in your rantings about them being short of wood to burn bodies.
Step into the room full of mirrors and have a good hard look at yourself.
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Is a Blugger what happens when Marlon Brando forgets the stick of butter in his “Last tango in Paris” scene?
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You have not been watching the information coming out of India.
https://cgdev.org/publication/three-new-estimates-indias-all-cause-excess-mortality-during-covid-19-pandemic
The hospitals were in chaos. There was no point going to hospitals because they could not provide treatment. There is no way that the official count would be representative of actual deaths.
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And you can’t read.
ALL CAUSE DEATHS.
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Mr. Will: “There was no point going to hospitals because they could not provide treatment.” My information is that hospitals in the western countries have no treatment to offer, either. What treatment are you referring to? Ventilators? If hospitals somewhere are successfully treating covid, please do tell?
Your enthusiasm for experimental medicine has been noted, you really think you are changing any minds with these numbers? Your death rate numbers may as well come from Michael Mann looking at tree rings but you are blind to it.
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You are living proof, propaganda works.
This comment was bought to you by Pfizer.
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I have the ability to interpret the abundant data from an unbiased perspective.
I was vaccinated with AstraZeneca. It remains my preference.
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Of course you think you do, I can tell you have a very high opinion of yourself.
Does not matter what you prefer, your getting Pfizer next, the experts have decided for you, remember they know what’s best for your health.
This comment was bought to you by the Science.
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Never underestimate the power of denial , especially when the maintenance of one’s self-image depends entirely upon it.
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Unbiased? Rubbish. Your repeated use of the term “blugger” (bludger?) is a perjorative term which insinuates that people who choose not vaccinate against Covid are somehow shirking their societal responsibility. Clearly your thinking here is clouded by a degree of animus.
But at least you recognise the vaccines can cause death. IMHO, the only vaccine deaths which should be regarded as “acceptable” are those resulting from inadvertent anaphylaxis and weird unforeseen drug interactions.
Moreover, under normal circumstances reports of vaccine deaths and other significant ADRs are usually investigated with immaculate data collection. Not obfuscated. And certainly without mandating a potentially deadly or debilitating vaccine.
What is happening now is not scientific. It’s politicised and co-opts the entire medical and health care professions as well as the regulatory processes.
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“We know the vaccines cause deaths – they are not risk free.”
And when exactly did “we” come to this conclusion? They were certainly sold to the public as being safe and effective, neither of which they are.
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It was data provided in the reports from the original phase 3 trials. So a simple fact based on the trial data. Some people given the vaccine died during the trials.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2105290
It is interesting that the placebo group suffered the same number of deaths from adverse events – two were Covid related. It is not clear if the vaccine played a role in any deaths but some adverse effects were certainly related to the vaccine.
With billions of people now vaccinated, there is evidence that the vaccine has been a factor in some deaths.
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I’m talking about how it was sold to the general public, and is still being sold as ‘safe and effective” when it is neither. Not about some trial data that the average punter would never have found in a million years. Its blatantly misleading advertising. If you or I claimed on national TV that our product was safe and effective and then it ended up killing and maiming thousands we’d be lynched.
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Nice sidestep there Will.
When was that study made public?
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Rick, Fenton is an attention seeker fueling his risk management business. He has form with a debunked and inept bayesian study on ivermectin and seems to pass time attacking people on social media who promote vaccines.
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and in the same way you have form for attacking the man who opposes vaccines. No difference really.
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GeeAye, surely you can do better than an ad hom?
Fenton is putting out material that threatens a trillion dollar industry and you think people won’t manufacture complaints about him? If he’s wrong, just explain where.
Resorting to ad hom is always the sign of someone losing a science argument.
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It’s no blockbuster.
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Are you saying that the levels of adverse effects are no more than should be expected from an experimental vaccination program?
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I’m saying that a data set is being analysed for something that it cannot clearly show without more contextual information. Note that the whole thing fails to estimate error or confidence intervals. There is no introspection on themselves which is the essence of any publishable stats paper.
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Gee Aye. Maybe the level of confidence you require is already known – in the Pfizer data pages of library size. There is certainly something there scaring the pants off both that company and the US FDA which want the lot buried, firstly until 2076 and that later extended to 2096 by the FDA. The company is legally protected, but not reputationally. The government could face a disaster from several directions if the revelations are particularly damaging. Reputation, bureacratic incompetence and neglect, and Dr Fauci’s
CV could provide an interesting interlude for those injured and others seeking to have ‘the science’ used during the pandemic officially justified.
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Especially when you see the continuing backdowns by companies on vaccine mandates and the number of courts in the USA striking down the vaccine mandate in case after case.
But it seems Bidet knew the mandate wouldnt stand, but the aim was as many parrots…er…obedient promoters have said here its all about “getting shots into arms”……and remember when the mirage of the magical 80% was touted? Tp be replaced with 95% and the “lash” of harsh restrictions?
https://www.smh.com.au/national/it-s-a-race-to-80-the-magic-number-that-will-let-us-live-with-covid-20210729-p58dxp.html
https://floridianpress.com/2021/11/federal-court-strikes-down-bidens-vaccine-mandate/
https://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2021/12/court-halts-bidens-federal-contractor-vaccine-mandate/
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Or someone trolling.
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He admits in his conclusion that he is making stuff up:
My bold – they made this adjustments to get the conclusions they wanted.
The vaccines provide substantial reduction in death rate. This is extracted from Table 11 of the wk49 report.
18-29; 0.1 /0.3 = 3.2
30-39: 0.2 /1.3 =6.5
40-49; 1.1 /3.5 = 3
50-59; 2.2 /13.6 = 6.2
60-69; 7.5 /29.7 = 4
70-79; 18.6 /72.8 = 4
≥80; 60.1 /173.1 = 2.9
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1039677/Vaccine_surveillance_report_-_week_49.pdf
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No need to go on Rick.Semantic sophistry is not so amusing.Got any COVID jokes?
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Right but you’re allowed to make a whopping adjustment to India’s excess mortality based on a guesstimate. You talk of “sick jokes” but you have abandoned all reason to support your beliefs.
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Hey , we’ve seen this stuff before .
“The doctor is in”.
LOL
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Stockholm rulz.
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I’m too tired to go through this argument in detail – but if all this was on the up and up they wouldn’t be hiding the data for 75 years. QED.
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How much do Pfizer pay you for this stuff ?
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I’m sure that this is an important find, but it illustrates why the Jabberwockys have been able to get so far without being caught.
Complexification at its finest.
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https://www.bitchute.com/video/GeyTD17aN6z8/
Explains it all
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I have nearly finished the Robert Kennedy Junior book – “The Real Anthony Fauci – Bill Gates, Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health” and it strikes me that it would be more shocking and unique if Big Pharma and “Teflon Tony” actually came up with a vaccine that worked!
Kennedy documents 40 years of corruption and scientific fraud as the preparation for the Fauci response to Covid.
It appears that everything is much much worse than any sane person could possibly imagine!
The book adds another whole chapter to my thesis on science and the slide from its origins during the Enlightenment to its current status as Post Modern science.
Trofim Lysenko looks down and smiles.
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Trofim looks up and grimages 😉
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Another factor to add is what happens AFTER a spike in excess mortality especially in this age group. There is often a drop in excess mortality because those that should have died now, already died in the previous timeframe.
Not sure if 5 weeks is enough time statistically but it does fit.
This seems to show as the excess deaths (all causes age 65+) for weeks 1-5 of 2021 are above average.
(see Excess mortality P-scores by age group for UK)
ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid
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Makes me wonder if another basic tenet of public health strategies re COVID has been broken. About 6 months ago there was a debate amongst immunologists, epidemiologists etc about the wisdom of vaccinating during the active phase of an infection event. One camp said that it was wrong to vaccinate during such an event and then the other camp proclaimed it was OK. Based on these results I am now leaning towards the former. Which, was the group wisdom prior to COVID. The other basic tenet broken during the last 2years of COVID was “isolate the sick and let the healthy get on with their lives”. Vaccine development should take years not months – possibly another among many. The implementation of all the non pharmaceutical pandemic measures was also essentially wrong as summarised in the WHO discussion paper from Dec 2019. Social distancing, school/ border closures, lockdowns, face masking were all considered without good scientific foundation or simply too disruptive. Yet, here we are, with most Western countries implementing all of them and continuing to do so.
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An apt quotation for the current situation:
“All this was inspired by the principle – which is quite true in itself – that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation.”
from “Mein Kampf”, by one of the world’s more infamous propaganda experts.
The last sentence is so descriptive of how we continue to disregard any evidence, not matter how weighty, as to the veracity of the Big Lie.
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So true. It’s the BIG LIE that confuses the broad masses.
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The Medical Industry is between a rock and hard place. There is a cohort of people now who have immediate and life threatening side effects from the covid vaccines.
In Canada, nursing homes deaths matter and the system will not kill or harm/torture patients. Logically/scientifically the solution for nursing homes is Ivermectin, rather than vaccine until there is an investigation. This is evil madness.
The Canadian province of Quebec has stopped giving the third covid boosters to nursing home patients, as the cohort of nursing home patients
1) Who had covid in the past or 2) who had had two vaccines … had immediate, severe and life threatening side effects when given the covid booster.
Severely Vit D people generate dangerous immune system response. This is why severely Vit D people are twice as ‘likely’ to get MS as people who people who have optimum Vit D levels. Covid kills and hurts us by generating a dangerous immune system response. The nursing home people are severely Vit D deficient.
https://www.ledevoir.com/societe/sante/651882/pas-de-3-sup-e-sup-dose-pour-les-aines-ayant-eu-la-covid-19
“Dr Zhang and doctors practicing in nursing homes it manages observed “many many many side effects” among seniors who had the Covid-19 and had already received two doses, unlike those who had not contracted the disease.
The vaccine operation began on October 18. Residents were given a third injection of Moderna vaccine.
Soon after, many seniors suffered from high fever and saw their general condition deteriorate (loss of appetite, weakness, fatigue and lethargy), says Dr. Zhang. “In some more severe cases, the person had difficulty breathing and the oxygen level dropped,” she adds. Seniors have also found themselves in delirium, according to the doctor.
Shaken by the situation, the CIUSSS du Center-Sud-de-l’Île-de-Montréal team stopped the third dose 48 hours later in seniors who had already had COVID.”
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There would surely be many unjabbed who are not willing (or unable) to see medical professionals for non Covid problems when there is a big scare in the media warning about Covid, so those non Covid problems could also be life threatening.
I tried to get an appointment with my GP early 2021, and was told it would be a two and a half week wait.
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Remember Prof Stephan Lewandowsky?
This guy:
Lewandowsky et al, “NASA faked the moon landing, Therefore (Climate) Science is a Hoax: An Anatomy of the Motivated Rejection of Science”
https://climateaudit.org/2012/09/08/lewandowsky-scam/
He’s back and apparently an “expert” on vax/no-vax psychology:
I have other reasons – just as I do with climate science, and nothing remotely like Lewandowsky says.
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Chris Menahan, Information Liberation, on Lewandowsky/Andrew Neil (see photos):
http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=62734
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The nutty professor is as dumb as a chair – oh right, he IS a chair.
Sushi Wiles and Shorn Hendy will be putting out psyche papers soon… oops, too late. ‘Experts’ my @&$€!
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>”Sushi Wiles”
I have a credibility problem with Dr Siouxsie Wiles.
Maybe it’s the hair, maybe it’s just me. IDK.
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What does IDK mean?
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>What does IDK mean?
I Don’t Know.
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I do not know
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Do you know anybody that does know what it means?
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Yes. Me.
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Actually I do not know that it means I don’t know; I’m just guessing.
🙃
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It does mean “I don’t know” but I like to keep the conservation going for a while. 😉
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Yep , gotta love conservationism.
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Jo
Thanks for your acknowledgement here.
Prof Fenton has shown that the supposed death reduction is a mirage.
So now with people transmitting at higher levels if vaxxed and no stopping of infection, and now no attenuation of deaths, these concoctions need to be ceased being used immediately. The deaths and adverse reactions are the only “benefit” (other than the financial benefit to the Pharma companies peddling these) that comes with the vaxxes, and nobody in their right mind would want those.
Its past time to cease the covid vaxxing programs and begin an enquiry into this whole sordid mess of lies, misinformation, coercion, maiming and killing.
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Correction: the paper is
Neil et al Latest statistics on England mortality data suggest systematic mis-categorisation of vaccine status and uncertain effectiveness of Covid-19 vaccination
Fenton is second author.
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Another- the orange line (which looks yellow to me) is actually 1 or 2 doses as explained in the text.
not sure why the figure text just says 1.
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Ah, thanks for that. I missed it in my quick read.
In Figures 12, 13 and 14 we compare the non-Covid mortality rate of those who are unvaccinated with those who are vaccinated (all vaccination categories combined) along with the timing of the first and second dose rollout.
I wondered why there was no ‘Double Dose’ mortality category. And I misinterpreted the charts accordingly (above).
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It seems that once again the truth is leaking out of the media dyke . At some point the leak will gain enough momentum to overwhelm the dyke and the MSM will go into damage control . We are already seeing alternate views being published and the protests are getting noticed by the MSM which was in complete lockstep before . At least in here we have the search for truth and I applaud you all (and of course Jo) for it .
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Covid-19 and the global predators – we are the prey
Free pdf download:
https://www.pearl-hifi.com/11_Spirited_Growth/10_Health_Neg/04_Pandemics/05_COVID_19/Books/COVID-19_and_The_Global_Predators_We_are_the_Prey.pdf
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My take. This study is storm in a tea-cup and likely over-reaching balderdash given the number of caveats and unknowns in the data.
My other take, that makes all of this irrelevant, is that the vaccinations of the last year are all but irrelevant since protection against omicron, and whatever comes after it, is minimal.
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Vaccine from last year are very relevant.
Yes, any protection, even against the initial strains has disappeared, making their protective value zero….
But the damage done inside the human body will be there for a long time.
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Omicron is certainly a storm in a tea-cup but the study is not.
How many people are now permanently debilitated and/or has disrupted immune systems because of the barely tested gene therapy spike protein vaccines being rolled out across virtually the whole population in many countries?
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I don’t know. You tell me.
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Correct – you don’t know so the study deserves followup and in the meantime, vaccinations and boosting need to stop since you admit that they are ineffectual with the Omicron variant.
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To your last point. That is quite possibly what we will need to do.
Your fist point is absurd.
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By the way, I don’t think me “admitting” that vaccine don’t work will bring them to an end.
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Clicks fingers in front of GA!
Click !!!!
See comment #39 below.
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err… okay
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By the 28th Feb, 2021, there had been 150,000 adverse events in 40000+ cases and 1200 deaths.
How many of each by now?
We know 10,000 compensation claims have been made in Australia alone.
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I agree with you GA. We have appalling data considering it has been collected for near 2 years.
In the absence of good data, why not go with evidence based medicine recommended by FLCCC.
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But the possibility of vaccine injury and death is not a “storm in a teacup” and this is what the study is presenting. At the very least, investigation is warranted
Her introduction of Omicron is obfuscation which is her intention with that comment.
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Jo >”…doesn’t make sense when looking at other deaths”
Dr Robert Malone on all-cause deaths in recent interview between Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Maike Hickson:
POOR CONTROLS FOR ACCURATELY DETERMINING ALL – CAUSE MORTALITY
“And the problem with that is that it’s all subject to various forms of biases, having to do with the reporting and the classification of the information is very subjective. It is subjective. That’s the best way to put it. That type of data analysis results in data that is contaminated with all kinds of confounding variables and subjectivity. So what can you do? Well, you have to start looking at all-cause mortality. When somebody dies, that’s a very clear signal. We kept good records on how often people die, and we can argue about whether or not this heart attack death was associated with [the] vaccine or not associated with [the] vaccine. But when we see all-cause mortality going up..
Excess death…
Then that’s something to worry about. The problem is, how do you disambiguate all-cause mortality due increase due to vaccine, versus increase due to circulating virus? And that gets really hard. That’s the basis for the argument that many people make when they say, I’m part of the control group. That used to confuse me when people would say ‘I’m part of the control group,’ I’d say ‘what clinical trial?’ What they’re talking about is the idea that unless there’s some cohort that has not accepted the vaccine, then we can never disambiguate what is due to the vaccine, and what’s due to the virus.
So without some really sophisticated and expensive immunology testing to figure out – because we can test and see whether or not you’ve just had the jab or whether you’ve been infected – it may be possible to see whether you’ve got both going on right now because of some immunologic characteristics.
So they argue that they’re part of the control group, because if we lose that, if everybody is universally jabbed, then we can never do any comparison and sort out what’s due to the jab and what’s due to the infection. This is one of the arguments that’s made about why this insane push to universal vaccination is a way of covering your tracks if you happen to be a global biopharmaceutical company.
But I’m worried, as I know you are, about this push that seems irrational”.
Full Text: Global totalitarianism is a bigger threat than the coronavirus itself: mRNA inventor Malone
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-14-global-totalitarianism-bigger-threat-than-coronavirus.html
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Recent interview between Dr. Robert Malone and Dr. Maike Hickson as previous comment.
‘MASS FORMATIONS PSYCHOSIS’ ARGUMENT OF MATTIAS DESMET GHENT
[Malone] I personally really like the argument of Mattias Desmet, which is this mass formation psychosis argument [linked], that fundamentally a significant fraction of the population [has] been hypnotized. It’s not [something] that they are conscious of. So the ‘they’re so dug in that they can’t back out argument,’ is founded on the belief that they’re actually aware, that they’re not experiencing cognitive dissonance because they’re aware that they’ve made a mistake.
[Hickson] But many wouldn’t.
[Malone] Right? The mass formations psychosis argument of Mattias Desmet of Ghent argues that they are truly hypnotized, that a large fraction of the population has become hypnotized, much as happened to the German people during the 1930s and 1920s. And it has similar psychological roots in a lot of us, including myself. I’m just one of many who find the arguments of Dr Desmet very compelling. They seem to explain a lot of behaviors that are otherwise inexplicable, like this extreme level of aggression and venom that is vented against anyone who’s expressing anything such as you do at LifeSiteNews. Anything that is contrary to the dominant narrative they attack this in the most personal terms. It is their venomous, aggressive attacks that are not based on any data or information.
Full Text: Global totalitarianism is a bigger threat than the coronavirus itself: mRNA inventor Malone
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-14-global-totalitarianism-bigger-threat-than-coronavirus.html
# # #
So many parallels with the climate “debate” here.
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I read that Malone interview yesterday, and though it seems possible, I’m leaning more to the “venomous aggressive attacks” being caused by micro blood-clotting (major, seemingly-inevitable side effect of the injections) in the brain.
Vascular Dementia is the second most common form of dementia. It is caused by precisely that type of clotting and slowing of the blood in the brain. It is also characterised by violent and venomous behaviour IN BURSTS.
“Demented”
suffering from dementia.
INFORMAL•BRITISH
behaving irrationally due to anger, distress, or excitement.
“she was demented with worry”
Think Michael Gunner’s enraged outbursts in the NT. Musta got a real vial of vax by mistake!
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Venomous aggressive attacks…
Is rabies listed as a possible side-effect of this ‘junk’? Some folk here are displaying ‘rabid’ symptoms towards we non-conformists: guess frothing at the mouth will be a sure sign to walk away promptly.
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It’s probably not rabies but yeah I’ve noticed that some people get enraged by having their trust in mRNA vaccines, challenged.
Most people aren’t aware of why they differ from every other vaccine they’ve ever had.
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The Weir man blasts away the frantic “lefty ” rabid dogs with equanimity . . . and a modicum of compassion (O.K. a very tiny modicum).
LOL
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” – because we can test and see whether or not you’ve just had the jab or whether you’ve been infected –”
That’s the nub right there. A NZ outfit is trying to get that test out to the public ; not sure that they are attracting a lot of funding.
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I will find it very difficult to trust any sort of vaccine in the future in case it has been polluted with Graphine Oxide or mRNA technology. Having said that, I am registered for the Vaxine trial as it comes from a trusted source.
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Chris Martenson examines the reports of Omicron variant infections. Unsurpisingly, his conclusions are exactly the same as mine.
https://www.peakprosperity.com/omicron-fears-mount/
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Within Chris Martenson’s video, he shows a video of an interview from a couple of days ago where Dr Angelique Coetzee, head of the South African Medical Association, stresses how mild the Omicron infections are. She states how the world leaders and health authorities are massively over-reacting since they now have a month of experience treating infected patients and their observations can be trusted.
Here is the video (only 3.5 minutes long) if you don’t feel like viewing all of Chris’s analysis.
https://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/tom-swarbrick/south-africa-top-doc-angelique-coetzee-stresses-omicron-mild/
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If I were a little younger I would go to an omigod party.
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The party will come to you ; don’t sweat it. Count your blessings.
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>Jo “Covid vaccines may not improve your chances of staying alive at all…”
And actually increase your chances of dying if you are a US pilot forced to take the vaccine:
‘US pilot deaths increase by 1,750% after covid vaccine rollout’
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-12-13-us-pilot-deaths-increase-after-covid-vaccine-rollout.html
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So, instead of sacking pure-blood pilots airlines should roster them up front to fly with the vaxxed. Similar risk reduction to not having both pilots eat the same food.
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If this report is correct, and I am not saying it isn’t, then the pilots haven’t noticed. Like birds on a wire they just shuffle to fill the empty spot.
I just looked at PPRUNE and there is a forum for health but either no one has commented or the m0derat0rs have not allowed it.
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Expose yourself red-thumber.
Juan Browne of the blancolerio channel, a Boeing pilot, was grounded most of the year for prostate cancer. Most men die with PC not of it and it never strikes a man down suddenly while “driving”.
Pilots’ income is totally dependant on their most recent health check. I can understand if they are not making a noise refusing the vaxx. Airlines can be vindictive employers and sponsors.
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Red thumbs, like flack, indicate you are over target.
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“Can vaccines make people who didn’t take them, older?”
The clause “who didn’t take them” is a defining relative clause and so should not be followed by a comma.
They used to teach this in primary schools in 1950s South Australia.
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RoHa, You’ll be shocked to know I thought grammar was a waste of time in school, and remember virtually none of the rules. In my old age I wish that were not so. Thanks for the proof reading.
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I before e . . .
Except when your foreign
neighbor Keith receives eight
counterfeit beige sleighs from
feisty caffeinated weightlifters.
Weird.
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Except when your scientist foreign
neighbor Keith receives eight
counterfeit beige sleighs from
feisty caffeinated weightlifters.
Weird.
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Wishing the blog had an edit button about now.
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Verifiable pedagogy?
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Gee, it look as though if you survive the disease & survive the Vaccination you will be struggling to survive the price:-
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9oH3MYSWgCPO/
Gives you some idea why our government is behaving the way they are.
[ direct bribes notwithstanding]
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There is a similar study published in October:
Pantazatos, Spiro & Seligmann, Herve. (2021). COVID vaccination and age-stratified all-cause mortality risk.
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“During a SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant outbreak among incarcerated persons with high vaccination rates in a federal prison, we assessed markers of viral shedding in vaccinated and unvaccinated persons.”
“Conclusions As this field continues to develop, clinicians and public health practitioners should consider vaccinated persons who become infected with SARS-CoV-2 to be no less infectious than unvaccinated persons”
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.11.12.21265796v1
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I wonder what is clogging up the Public health systems? Are these defined as un-vaccinated in a similar process to those reported in the UK?
Here is a report that may help from NSW Health
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Documents/covid-19-surveillance-report-20211127.pdf
H/T to Senator Rennick
Appears 408 of the 570 death diagnosed ‘with Covid’ may not have had effective vaccinations as defined below.
NSW Health helps define vaccination status!
No effective dose
What is known exposure?
Person first starts to feel unwell
I wonder what happened to the Flu?
The PCR test is not testing some respiratory viruses
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Since Influenza has a lower Ro than Covid it is textbook microbiology that Covid restrictions (to slow a higher Ro disease) would wipe out influenza. It will come back with open borders.
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Jo
Any comment that the deaths are mostly represented as un-vaccinated by the no effective dose definition? Much the same as your post?
My thoughts as to influenza are that the travel restrictions have probably restricted the spread of all sorts of illness.
Will this allow for a build up of ‘susceptibles’? To be knocked off their perch next time the Showies come to town?
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Not sure what you mean with “no effective dose definition?”
Yes, viral counts show reduced movement and social distancing has reduced the spread of many respiratory diseases. This may have some effect on immunity, but as long as we catch a cold or two we can probably minimize the effect or recover quickly. CErtainly RSV seemed to have become more of a problem. Bear in mind we only got influenza once every five years or so anyhow, so a two year gap isn’t that big a deal…
But some will have lived longer because of a lack of flu, and they — the most frail — are on borrowed time.
Probably in our evolutionary past we had a lot more exposure to bacteria than we do now, but a lot less exposure to viruses.
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” a lot more exposure to bacteria than we do now, but a lot less exposure to viruses.”
Dunno about that. When I consider the cloud of virus , bacteria , fungi , and god knows what else, that your average cocky inhabits , quite apart from the normal human biome , I ‘m thinking that not much has changed for the peasants.
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Jo, you need to look at pages 7 & 8 of the report. The deaths have only occurred in the less than 49 year age group since June 2021 and the definition of Covid infection and ‘no effective dose’ are broad enough to drive a London Bus through. This data should be broken down the same way your post was. When were these age groups eligible for vaccination and what was the all cause death rate.
The figures are there hidden in plain sight. The Adriana Midori Takara death as reported in the Spectator is probably one of them. Remember these people appear to be after the future generations and all the deaths had been in the elderly before June 2021.
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The information presented in the cited paper at the start of this blog must raise the question re Pfizer wanting protection until 2076 before it had to release all its information known from the development of its vaccine. It must be pretty damning because the US FDA wants it kept closed until 2096!
If a case was made to the US Supreme Court to force immediate release of this data based on the topics discussed in this paper, and no doubt other papers supporting the contention that these vaccines are intrinsicly harmful themselves, I wonder if the Court would support such exposure. After all, all western ‘Democratic’ governments appear to be on their own same page when it comes to COVID and vaccinations, with total exclusion of all other agents – until the Pfizer agent which is being lauded again today.
The next step would be to go through the same Court process as to why these governments forced exclusion of therapies that were known to be efficacious in handling COVID-19 in other countries. There has always been a bad smell around the official government positions that excluded those therapies without a science based explanation.
There is now the third matter of the Australian government rejection of the Australian developed vaccine which is said to have proven very effective overseas and without the side effects of the enforced use of the current vaccines. The Australian government even refuses to recognise the use of the Australian vaccine as being a competent booster agent. The reasons for all these decisions have to be exposed, for better or worse, and the Minister for Health and the PM and the bureaucrats have to be called on to explain their positions.
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Please be careful if you are taking tablets to increase your Vitamin D3.
Some off-the-shelf have calcium as well.
Too much Ca, hypercalcemia, can be very nasty. Even fatal.
Upsets electrolyte balance.
I have just seen delerium lasting several days until Ca came down from 40% above top of normal range: frightening, with tiredness, no appetite, muscle loss, dizziness, falls. Geoff S
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D with Ca was recommended for osteoporosis. I only ever hear warnings about it now.
Surely only vegans are critically short of Ca? Thinks: A cow gets all the Ca in her milk from grass. Wonders!
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Geoff,
Your comment is absolutely incorrect at a concept level. The general population’s calcium regulation problems are caused by a deficiency of Vit D (patient is Vit D deficient) and a deficiency of magnesium
The human body needs to and can safely absorb calcium if Vit D blood stream levels are high enough. Magnesium is required by the calcium systems that transport the calcium and regulate calcium.
When Vit D blood serum levels are above 40 ng/ml (100 nmol/ml) the body regulates calcium in the blood stream as follows. The calcium control system in the body reduces blood stream calcium levels in the daytime to an optimum base level independent of the calcium input. This is required to enable the calcium to be absorb and to ensure there is not too much calcium in the blood.
The above has discovered by Vit D researchers and purposely hidden by NIH. In a study that tested the effect of calcium supplements on the incidence of breast cancer with one group taking Vit D supplements and the second group taking only Calcium supplements.
This study was unusual as the Vit D researchers took blood samples to confirm the level of a calcium in the blood stream and to determine the Vit D level in the blood. It was found that the patients that took Vit D supplements (6000 IU/day to 10,000 IU/day to reach a target Vit D level of 60 ng/ml or greater) all had the same day time level of calcium in their blood stream regardless of the amount of calcium supplements they took.
It was found that those subjects that did not take Vit D supplements had high levels of calcium in their blood except for the few subjects who had a Vit D blood serum level above 40 ng/ml had high levels of calcium in their blood in the daytime.
This study problem has brought the attention of the US National Institute of Health. The NIH unusually allowed the study parameters to be changed with no official record of the change. Osteoporosis is an epidemic because of the Vit D deficiency. This explains why calcium supplements do not for most people stop osteoporosis.
The study participants who were not on supplements, were given sufficient Vit D to bring their blood serum levels about 40 ng/ml which took about 4 weeks (at 5000 IU/day) for the severely Vit D deficient people. Vit D is absorbed by all of the fat in the body which explains why it takes 4 weeks to correct severe Vit D deficient with small day dosages.
When the Vit D blood serum level has above 40 ng/ml (as determined by blood samples) the day time blood level of calcium in the blood was the same for all subjects, regardless of the amount of calcium supplements they took (600 gm or 900 gm).
The magnesium in our diet at the turn of the century was about 500 mg/day. The magnesium in our diet is now 175 mg/day to 225 mg/day. The amount of magnesium (and all other minerals) in all agricultural products has reduced year by year because the magnesium that is absorb by the plants which we eat is not replaced in the soil. Overtime this causes mineral deficiency.
https://www.mdpi.com/2072-6643/7/9/5388
Magnesium in Prevention and Therapy
“Epidemiological studies in Europe and North America have shown that people consuming Western-type diets are low in magnesium content, i.e. <30%–50% of the RDA for magnesium.
It is suggested that the dietary intakes of magnesium in the United States Nutrients 2015, have been declining over the last 100 years from about 500 mg/day to 175–225 mg/day. This is likely a result of the increasing use of fertilizers and processed foods [5,9,22–24]."
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A couple of things – smart farmers use dolomite for pH regulation in soils . Dairy cows are routinely medicated with magnesium pre-calving to prevent hypercalcaemia.
Persistent chronic milk fever (currently treating one ) is resolved with Vit D injections.
Vit D is cholecalciferol.
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“hypocalcaemia”
Rats , I knew I should have checked that one.
And I should have mentioned the role of boron in calcium metabolism.
Invariably calcium borogluconate is used for intravenous treatment.
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William >”The amount of magnesium (and all other minerals) in all agricultural products has reduced year by year”
Sobering, and the effects of magnesium deficiency are a real eye opener. I’ve replied to your comment downthread at #50.1 re magnesium deficiency – testosterone – sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG):
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/12/blockbuster-paper-covid-vaccines-may-not-improve-your-chances-of-staying-alive-at-all-even-in-a-pandemic/#comment-2500969
I can attest from personal experience to the scientific findings re magnesium stress as referred to in that comment.
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Vit D seems to be included in magnesium formulations routinely , perhaps for that very reason.
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On a related note concerning undesired interactions, zinc is often taken along with vit D for protection against covid but excessive zinc can lead to a copper deficiency. A copper deficiency has been associated with osteoporosis.
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David,
Copper and Zinc are absorbed together… So the body reduces the amount absorb if one of the two elements is too high. The problem is roughly half of all minerals have been lost from the agriculture soil which has created deficiency in zinc, magnesium, and copper.
The solution is take a multi-vitamin that has both zinc and copper. The Bayer multi-vitamin (for men) has 15 mg of zinc (which is sufficient overtime to correct the population’s zinc deficiency) and 2 mg of copper.
The osteoporosis paradox is those people who take calcium supplements get osteoporosis and have health issues. Why is there a general population osteoporosis issue, even for those people who are taking calcium supplements? Why do 1 in 10 people get cancer?
The explanation for the osteoporosis paradox is that a blood serum Vit D level of 40 ng/ml or higher is required to enable the body’s calcium control system to absorb calcium and transport calcium and ensures there are not high levels of calcium in the blood (see my comment above to Geoff for more details.) i.e. High levels of calcium in the blood are caused by Vit D deficiency. Taking Vit D does not increase the amount of calcium in the blood. Note however that magnesium supplements are required to enable the calcium control and transport mechanism to operate optimally.
An observation to support the assertion that the osteoporosis paradox is the Multi Vitamin paradox. Bayer did a study of people who took the Bayer multi-vitamin …. With the idea that people logically who were taking the Bayer multi-vitamin should have less heart attacks, less cancers, and so on.
What that study found was there was a statistically significant increase in heart attacks of those people who were taking Bayer multi-vitamins. The problem is the Bayer Multi-vitamin contains 200 mg of calcium and people are so Vit D deficient this tiny amount of calcium causes excess blood calcium. The medical reason why the body’s calcium control system does not work finding is that general population’s average Vit D blood level is 27 ng/ml much less than the minimum level for optimum calcium control, of 40 ng/ml.
There are people in the general population who have a Vit D blood serum level that is less than 20 ng/ml. That is so low the body does not have sufficient Vit D to run/operate the calcium control system that reduces the level of calcium in the blood to an optimum level regardless of calcium input. From an evolutionary standpoint it is not expected that 1 in 10 people get cancers and that there would be an epidemic of dementia/osteoporosis.
i.e. Our bodies absorb calcium naturally, protect against getting cancers, protect against getting type 2 diabetes, protect against getting dementia and so on, if the Vit D levels are sufficient and we are not deficient in minerals or vitamins.
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William, excellent comment.
>”The problem is roughly half of all minerals have been lost from the agriculture soil which has created deficiency in zinc, magnesium, and copper”
Compounded by an inability to absorb if inflammatory bowel disease present (as with me for several years until I got on top of it – long story).
>”Note however that magnesium supplements are required to enable the calcium control and transport mechanism to operate optimally”
Being mid sixties now and a fitness/health freak for years I’ve only just recently discovered, thanks to the website linked below and numerous other articles and scientific literature, the very important role among other processes of magnesium re testosterone and sex hormone binding globulin (SHBG).
What an eye opener – it is counter intuitive. Any steps taken to raise free testosterone e.g. weight and sprint reps, olive oil (1 1/2 tablespoons a day – look it up), sleep, etc are counterproductive if magnesium deficient.
SHBG levels rise with strenuous exercise in that state. More free testosterone (similarly estradiol in females I think) is bound meaning less free testosterone – not more.
I was doing strenuous physical work seasonally resulting in weight loss (another factor – see following comment) and working out to build up in the off season. Ok, back in what I thought was good physical condition but all to no avail in respect to testosterone.
The website referred to is this:
Mgpedia
Magnesium: The nutrient your body uses for more vital functions than any other substance besides water and oxygen.
https://www.mgpedia.org
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>”I was doing strenuous physical work seasonally resulting in weight loss (another factor – see following comment)”
Gone off topic – continued in Thursday Open Thread here:
https://joannenova.com.au/2021/12/thursday-open-thread-80/#comment-2501065
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Read comments on JFK Jr just released book” the real fauci”
There overwhelmed with shock and outrage.
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RFK Junior?
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JFK jnr died in a plane crash.
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Self inflicted.
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I understand that his mother asked not to fly due the curse on the Kennedy family.
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https://www.facebook.com/discernable/videos/the-inventor-of-mrna-vaccine-technology-dr-robert-malone/537602753938128/
The Inventor of mRNA Vaccine Technology: Dr Robert Malone
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The conclusion for all this discussion is staring in our faces. The who die of the COVID-10 virus are widely reported. Those who die of the COVID-19 vaccines are swept under the carpet even though they are officially reported by respective governments. For example, our own federal government’s Database of Adverse Event Notifications reports that some 690 people died this year from COVID-19 vaccines. One key point is these are just the reported cases. How many are not reported? Very likely a lot more for a variety of reasons. They say the adverse event report does not mean that the vaccine is the cause of the adverse event, only that that death is the reported outcome. Sounds confusing but what they mean is the reported deaths are not conclusive. But the exact same thing can be said about the reported deaths due the the virus. There is no proof that all the deaths who have been reported they died of the virus actually did die of the virus, only that they are reported as such. They could have died from other causes instead, and we already suspect that’s the case. The conclusion is it’s what some have already said. We are being fed misinformation using one of the oldest tricks in the book; bent statistics. As a result fake news by the MSM and governments have become the norm not the exception. So, where do we look for the truth? Hard to say really as we can’t trust anyone any more. In fact all news no matter what source ought to be considered as fake news on face value. Anecdotal evidence is now only our true source of the real news but we would have to trust the source of the evidence is true. How does one do that? Well, one way is to study the people who report first hand the side effects of the vaccines who are still alive. Most if not all appear to be sincere. That in itself is better than what we can say about our governments, MSM and many scientists who anyone with a grain of intelligence will know they tell lies.
There you have it. We are being led astray big time on two major fronts; climate change and COVID-19 vaccinations. What next I wonder? Time will tell.
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More evidence exposing the truth that those who push the vaccination agenda are heartless and very likely evil.
The Make-A-Wish Foundation has refused a 4-year-old child his dying wish because he is not vaccinated. Rocco, a terminally ill boy from Staten Island, New York, wanted to meet Mickey Mouse in Disney World, as many kids do. He will have a chance to meet Mickey and friends thanks to Wigs and Wishes, a more ethical non-profit organization, who will pay for him and his family to visit Disney World in Orlando, Florida.
This is all not about the doing good. It’s all about doing evil things against both the vaccinated and unvaccinated.
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Not what you’d hear on the ABC
“Where I Live, No One Cares About COVID”
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/12/where-i-live-no-one-cares-about-covid.html
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The left’s resistance to Ivermectin is shameful
Ivermectin is a drug so beneficial to humankind that its inventor won the Nobel Prize. It’s so safe that the CDC recommends that most refugees entering the U.S. from countries with common parasitical infections be given it prophylactically. Medical trials and empirical experiments strongly indicate that, when it’s given early after a COVID diagnosis, people quickly recover. However, Democrats, in healthcare, the media, and government, are determined to ensure that no Americans have access to it.
One of the main barriers to Ivermectin is that hospitals refuse to give it to patients, preferring to see them die rather than take a commonly used, safe, Nobel-prize winning drug that could save their lives. In November, in Florida, a woman died after her husband tried, but failed, to get her doctors to treat her with the drug.
Just the other day, in Pennsylvania, a woman finally got a court order that her husband be treated with the drug but, by then, he’d been in the hospital for three weeks in a medically-induced coma, and it was too late. (I did mention, didn’t I, that the drug is best given as soon as possible after infection?)
There was a different outcome in Illinois. A man desperately ill with COVID had a miraculous recovery after a court ordered the hospital he was in to give him Ivermectin.
Given those facts, one suspects that the reason hospitals fight Ivermectin tooth and nail is that they don’t want a cure. COVID patients are profit centers in an economically unstable world. It’s obviously better to have them in the ICU for three weeks, even if they subsequently die, than to send them home in good health after a short stay. Pardon my cynicism, but logic drives me in this direction.
If you can’t read the small print, the justification for seizing the Ivermectin is that “the article has been determined to lack adequate directions for use.” Uh-huh. And how did the FDA and the Post Office know what directions were in a sealed package?
Our government is doing nothing to stop a veritable flood of deadly, illegal drugs from flowing across our illegally open southern border, but the FDA and the USPS have the investigative and police skills to stop people from getting a Nobel-prize winning, safe, effective, miracle drug.
This whole thing is just wrong.
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Life is cheap and this research explains how cheap it is. The attacks against ivermectin might have led the deaths of at least half million people. Cost: $40m.
Researcher Andrew Hill’s conflict: A $40 million Gates Foundation grant vs a half million human lives
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Top Cardiologist Tells Joe Rogan Of “Intentional Plot” To Suppress Early COVID Treatments
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxbPJFE0nOU
Controversial Dr. Peter McCullough Tells Joe Rogan That Lack Of Covid Treatments DELIBERATE
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Does anyone have a link to the journal where this paper has been published?
TIA
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For Redge:
http://www.eecs.qmul.ac.uk/~norman/papers/inconsistencies_vaccine.pdf
Corrected version of the paper as per Norman Fenton’s blog.
Good 26min video lecture clearly explaining the paper and the issues it explores:
https://youtu.be/6umArFc-fdc
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Thanks, Checking.
Does anyone know if this paper has been published in a journal?
I ask because when I look at the figures, they don’t seem to relate to any of the official figures. The numbers used seem to come out of thin air, so I’m trying to figure out where the figures come from rather than accepting the graphs at face value.
Full disclosure: I think the way the COVID thing has been handled is a complete farce of epidemic (pun intended) proportions – far better to have the virus run through the population and let herd immunity work its magic. I do, however, have no problem wearing a mask and getting what is essentially a flu jab.
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For England and Wales after week 9, excess deaths were significantly below normal until about week 29 when they went above normal and have stayed there. So the vaccines weren’t causing a lot of additonal deaths.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-all-cause-mortality-surveillance-2021-to-2022
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