Another Project Veritas operation exposes what’s going on behind the lines at Twitter and the most astonishing thing is not the political censorship but how Twitter is run like a Day Care centre for student activists. It’s not a profit making business, so much as a university club with salaries for people who may only work 4 hours a week and brag about being “left left left” and as “commie as f**k”. If they need days off, they just don’t turn up to work. Sometimes they take months off. “Mental health is everything”.
No wonder Twitter employees hate Musk and are stress eating — They have jobs where they get paid to take a month off, and no one cares how efficient they are, or what their sales figures or expenses were. Nice work if you can get it.
Which begs the pointed question of who is paying for all this?
If Twitter isn’t there to make money, who is pouring the dollars in, and is the political censorship the whole point? And if that’s the case, and it sure looks like it is, TWTR is a listed trading stock and the words fraud and fiduciary duty seem apropos. If Twitter really is a communist megaphone, not a business, Elon Musk is exposing it, even if he doesn’t buy it. He’s pulling the capitalist-legal strings and if it’s an investment facade, it will unravel.
Project Veritas has a video of Twitter Senior Engineer, Siru Murugesan, explaining the work culture unwittingly to a hidden camera.
Wonder how the Twitter shareholders feel about this:
Twitter Sr. Engineer, Siru Murugesan
“Everyone gets to do what they want, no one really cares about OPEX (operating expenses), like capitalists [do], …they care about our health, In Twitter, mental health is everything. … Like if you are not feeling it, you can take a few days off. People have taken months off, — they will come back. But you always like, do your best at any time.”
Twitter culture (and free-paychecks) turn employees into communists:
“Like I started working for Twitter and became left. I think it’s just like the environment, like you, you’re there and you become like this commie — they call it Commiefornia for some reason.
But Elon is already getting to Siru and he surprisingly even admits it:
Elon makes some good points sometimes. I am slowly starting to buy his side a little bit.
Amazing the power of free speech.
That Twitter Culture:
The sad thing is that if Murugesan and other Twitter employees were educated in the West, they were never taught much about free speech, and were easy pickings for the weak excuses offered up in Twitter-world.
Suri openly says that “Twitter does not believe in free speech”. But he thinks that free speech is just whether you want to “bully and harrass people”.
“For example, like if you bully a transgender, the right thinks it’s okay. The left does not.”
Essentially the right tolerate bullying, he says, but the left “need it to be censored” or they will leave the platform, (making them sooky snowflakes in need of protection.) In snowflake world, it’s not that free speech is a quest for truth that may save lives and stop injustice, but that the worst thing in the world is to be bullied. All the gulags, slavery, death and disease is simply invisible.
The grand success of capitalism and free speech is to create people so protected from actual harm, hard work and pain that being bullied might be the worst thing that ever happened to them.
He thinks the Right are coming back to Twitter because Elon is the new Trump, and “he will protect people and give them safety.” He doesn’t seem to realize people on the right want competition, not protection, and if they’re coming back, it’s only because they think they might not be cancelled just for saying what they think. It’s the socialist Twitter employees who are looking for safe spaces, not the Right.
Twitter employees know they are a political machine:
He admits they hate Musk, the workers are stress eating, and they’re worried about their jobs because Musk is a capitalist, and they are socialists.
I don’t know if two parties [Left and Right] can exist on one platform…
“Ideologically it does not make sense like, because we’re actually censoring the right and not the left”.
Shame it’s so soul destroying.
[People who want to discuss Twitter – Just skip #1 and read from #2 . People who want to talk religion and take their comments to the bottom of the thread please.- Jo]
“free speech” doesn’t give you the right to say anything you want, anywhere you want without any consequences.”
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.
Liberty must be understood within moral limits or it becomes as oppressive and destructive as any centralized tyranny.
All of our actions are governed by moral constraints. The only real question is “What moral code dictates those restraints?” But morality is necessarily a religious concern because it deals with the concept of right and wrong in terms of one’s understanding of a truth that transcends the individual and his actions.
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I am responsible for what I say – not for how others feel about it.
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C. S. Lewis
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I doubt Heaven would be up to their standards. God may have let some reformed sinners in or maybe demonstrated true love which the busybodies do not understand.
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“Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.”
Then we have a freedom of murder.
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I agree Rick.
If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear. George Orwell
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Exactly-this nonsense that “you cant yell fire in a crowded theatre”-is just that, nonsense. Au contraire-it is your duty to yell fire if the theatre is indeed on fire. The theatre of freedom of speech is on fire, and it is our duty to scream that out.
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This seems to be the “new” understanding of the meaning of “free speech” by Leftists because all of a sudden they realise they are being caught out with revelations about their censorious ways. Censorship is indefensible.
However, advocates of free speech (it’s sad that it now needs advocates), almost always those on the right such as conservatives and Libertarians and almost never Leftists always understood that free speech must come with responsibility.
For example, to use the classic example, no advocate of free speech has ever said you can call “fire” in a picture theatre. That would clearly result in a stampede and injuries and loss of enjoyment people have paid for. But that’s not what censorship is about.
Nor do advocates of free speech support telling lies (libel and slander of people) or portrayal of things which are actual crimes such as child abuse.
Censorship by the Left is about censoring information that they personally don’t like and doesn’t fit their agenda and that’s it.
Leftists censor such things as evidence-based information about climate, covid, US presidential elections, failure of Leftist policies whatever they may be, anything they don’t support about LGBT in all its aspects, including criticism of the transgender movement, US elections such such as suppression of the Hunter Biden laptop affair which itself probably swung the US election apart from US election fraud etc..
Note also that Leftists are free to post here on this conservative blog but just about all conservatives here have experienced being banned from any Leftist blogs.
Leftists are extremely intolerant, indeed, terrified of alternative opinions. And because they are intellectually and morally unable to justify their positions, they defer to the heavy hand of censorship.
Censorship is a destructive influence on our civilisation and a reversion to pre-Enlightenment values and must stop.
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Its all about “exposure”
The left cannot allow their fellow leftists to be exposed to rational science-based and morality-based thought processes that back conservative ideas.
The conservatives let the leftists post, so the leftists can expose their leftist ignorance and immorality for all to see.
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They have a very poor view about what humans are about.
Infinitely mouldable to get the latest version of the “new Soviet man”, thus information must be tightly controlled, lest humans diverge into undesirable versions.
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I have a left wing bent and have been banned from left wing blogs because of my view of climate change.
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Yes el+gordo, they even hate their own if you are not fully compliant with the doctrine.
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Mr. gordo: Your left wing bent pops up now and again, but your comments are worth reading IMHO. Consider this- commenters here are apt to say any damn thing (pleading guilty before charged here) but they never get banned for that. Only bans I’ve seen are to address openly deceptive mendacious commenters. Notice how some folks who post videos of the more expressive leftists are being shut down by the left for exposing that lefties can be mad. I can’t see any example of that on the right.
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I had a left wing bent after I crashed into a tree while landing my hang glider 🙂 I replaced the bent tube and now I have a left wing straight again!
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Truths can transcend the individual without being religious. In fact “believe the truth” is the highest moral principle. On the other hand I do not know what “transcend the individual” means. Should I duck it?
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There should always be a search for truth.
Leftism cannot handle the truth because it exposes their ideology for being based on a pack of lies.
They absolutely must do everything they can to only allow their twisted, perverted version of the truth.
You cannot get to the real truth without open freedom of speech and discussion.
So anything that doesn’t match, or even remotely questions their fake truth, must be silenced.
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Please do not ‘duck’.
Individuals soar.
Consider ethical v moral; moral persons depend on a group for rules and approval. Ethical folk can stand as individuals: they reject group-think.
Rats, lemmings, and the Left: frequent Examples. Jo offers a Model: Take Courage, mates – blessings continue.
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Ooops:
A reply to DW, at 1.3!
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Max, morality is not just a religious thing. The great lesson of the Enlightenment was to dare to think these things out for yourself, accepting and balancing responsibility for the consequences for yourself and others. You don’t need government, religion, cultural fashions, or least of all social media, to tell you what to do to be ethical.
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“All of our actions are governed by moral constraints”
Conservative actions.. yes.
Leftist actions.. they have no constrain based on morality…. except the bottom of the sewer, when they can’t sink any further.
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The left isn’t censoring because of moral concerns, but is censoring subjective political speech. Political speech, especially that which challenges a position of any party, must never be censored. Censorship is used by the left so that they don’t have to answer tough questions whose answers undermine their positions.
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>”The left isn’t censoring because of moral concerns, but is censoring subjective political speech”
Hence:
Who’s a Threat to ‘Our Democracy’?
When progressives single out threats to ‘our democracy,’ what they mean is their democracy.
By Daniel Henninger
https://www.wsj.com/articles/whos-a-threat-to-our-democracy-11612998812
The real threat is Davos Man, and before that this world view:
“The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.”
― David Rockefeller
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As far as I can see twitter have revenues of a few billion a year. It barely makes a profit, not surprising if no one bothers to work.
The offer price by Musk seems way beyond what the firm is worth
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>”…twitter have revenues of a few billion a year. It barely makes a profit”
Sundance at Conservative Treehouse looked into that:
Elon Musk Makes a Massive Proposal, Offers to Purchase Twitter for $41 Billion With Plan to Take Company Private
April 14, 2022 | sundance
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/14/elon-musk-make-a-massive-proposal-offers-to-purchase-twitter-for-41-billion-with-plan-to-take-company-private/
And,
$5.1b pa revenue is only $425m pm – an operating shortfall of over half a billion per month.
Curiouser and curiouser.
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It doesn’t look like Sundance has a lot of knowledge of IT Operations.
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>”It doesn’t look like Sundance has a lot of knowledge of IT Operations”
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Apologies for this one, Jo – it was a typo which totally ruined the intent.
Sundance’s costing is as likely as me being the King of Siam or Queen of Sheba. Those numbers were at least an order of magnitude off, and probably two.
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>”…twitter have revenues of a few billion a year. It barely makes a profit”
Twitter Lead Client Partner Alex Martinez:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/project-veritas-twitter-lead-client-partner-mocks-elon-musk-says-woke-ideology-responsible-companys-inability-profit-video/
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>”…twitter have revenues of a few billion a year. It barely makes a profit”
TWITTER FACES FINANCIAL NIGHTMARE – Must Prove It Didn’t Lie in SEC Filings About Only 5% Bots – Elon Musk Is Waiting – Newsweek Reports Biden Account May Be 50% Bots
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/twitter-facing-financial-nightmare-must-prove-didnt-lie-sec-filings-bots-5-elon-musk-waiting-newsweek-reports-biden-account-made-50-bots/
Parag Agrawal (US$30.4m pa) has some explaining to do.
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How can Elon stop these commies destroying the operation before he has replaced the Leftist “employees” (more correctly recipients of pay cheques)? That is a concern. They might delete all the program code or lock it out with passwords no one knows or other forms of sabotage. The hatred of the Left has no limits. There is nothing, no matter how immoral or how illegal they won’t do.
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All in a name, isn’t it.
Socialist/Marxist totalitarians, then !
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The utopian socialists have nothing to do with Marxism.
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Or reality.
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Apart from the text book next to their beds.
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Or Greens.
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TdeF may like to insert his anecdote about the green leader saying their platform is a ploy to obtain power and then go totalitarian in the style of that Kampuchean chap.
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TDef is another MIA.
WX Cycles
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No? Did they not boast about being ‘commie as f**k?
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Do you think they understood the term that they were using? most Americans don’t.
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Seriously Gee, are you really going against what a person says themselves to be?
What they “identify as” !
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I wish I was new what most Americans understood, it must be great to be so omniscient
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The ones who make comments here and on twitter about communists misuse the term. Just like DM.
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ie… Gee wants to redefine the term, to fit its agenda.
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Typical communist. There are no commies.
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Gee looks in the mirror, and say to itself.. “I am not a commie”… and actually believes itself. !
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Pommie Commies have been prominent in Australian politics for as long as I can remember.
Call them what you like, they are identifiable by their policy of abolishing private management of industry.
No more private property! Starting next week.
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Even Welsh ones; Juliar for instance.
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Most intelligent post from Gee so far today !
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Gee Aye >”Guess what. There are no commies.”
CPUSA beg to disagree. And Cultural Marxism is de rigueur these days:
Antonio Gramsci: the Godfather of Cultural Marxism
Gramsci viewed churches, charities, the media, and schools as organizations that needed to be invaded by socialist thinkers.
https://fee.org/articles/antonio-gramsci-the-godfather-of-cultural-marxism/
Although Davos Man holds the purse strings:
“You’ll own nothing” — And “you’ll be happy about it.” – Klaus Schwab, World Economic Forum
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I don’t take direction from you so just assume the dictionary definition of communism as a start – which the guy on the tape clearly was misusing. It is just a throw away word here and has become meaningless in any context.
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Who else operates like this?
All the new money perhaps?
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How deep is the rot in the USA?
Disturbingly deep. This case is just one aspect in a multitude.
We’ll see it go from bad to worse before November.
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Under the Biden (with the hidden hand of Obama) regime, very.
We are talking about rot at a level which threatens the very existence of the United States as the free and democratic country it was conceived as to be turned into a neo-Marxist dictatorship.
Thankfully, the Americans have the Second Amendment, the very wise inbuilt reset button for the Constitution, the purpose it was put in place for. Let’s hope they don’t have to use it and the next election will be free and fair and free of fraud.
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The rot is deep because true liberals and historic conservatives (those that want to conserve liberty for all in a society of mutual respect and shared values) ignored the left in the 60s, molly coddled it in the 70’s, applauded it in the 80’s, became defenceless in the 90’s and…now they have won.
None of the smarties noticed.
Now the hard work of assertive behaviour, infiltration into their ‘institutions’ and fighting back at every point has to start.
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Without the ability to import skilled workers because of Covid, the lack of trained workers because education costs are so high, and the increasing demand for those workers, the pendulum has swung back in favour of the individual.
My daughter, and her partner who work in the US attest that twitter is not unique.
There is another side not mentioned in the post, which is this – most of the work is project based, and the timeframes are enforced, which does mean 70-80 hour weeks to maintain the project schedule. Also remember that annual leave is not in the US work culture, and overtime pay is restricted to certain job classifications, and the work culture encourages long hours.
[This is an irrelevant diversion. Not equivalent to Twitter employees taking a month off “for mental health” and with publicly listed companies that don’t care about OPEX. – Jo]
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PF, that sounds like the beginnings of a confession.
How much do you get paid to spread your muck here?
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Many a true word said in jest.
[junk – jo]
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Here PF is an opinion from a person suppressed on twitter.
[snip – LVA]
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A lot of issues there Peter.
Education is optional. People pay for it with the expectation of a certain return, just like any other investment.
Many people in high pressure, high paid jobs everywhere do the same thing. If you don’t want to do the hours, get a job with flexible hours flipping burgers at McDonald’s.
That doesn’t make Australia’s low work hours right, or the excessive overtime costs which cause so many problems and restrict service delivery in many Australian industries. Some people actually prefer working at night or on weekends but can’t due to excessive wages they’d have to be paid.
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Its not the hours, which are a pretty terrible metric about how hard people work. Over my career I have seen just how people get around long hours, in three separate countries.
Long hours can be a really bad culture to allow to spread within companies. One mine had people starting at 6am and then staying until the manager left (often around 6pm as he would not start until 7:30am or so) so that you were seen to be hard working. Most people spent a lot of time being pretty idle when they could to compensate.
“Some people actually prefer working at night or on weekends but can’t due to excessive wages they’d have to be paid.”
By your logic why don’t they get a job flipping burgers when they can manage those hours at non traditional times, Australia has mountains of 24/7 industries.
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Agreed – but attendance at propaganda institutes, to at least the age 15, is mandatory. I know that UK and Sweden fine parents if students miss their government run propaganda classes.
However education remains optional and many have very little understanding about the world around them. Probably the majority of people in the developed nations believe, through endless propaganda, that CO2 can alter the energy balance on Earth. Only a very small number aunderstand that open ocean surfaces cannot sustain a temperature above 30C.
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PF, let me clear up a couple of your misconceptions. Annual leave is most certainly a part of the US work culture. Most commonly as a 2 week paid vacation per year at businesses with hourly wages. For salaried workers annual paid vacation can be as long as 6 weeks. As far as your overtime claims, those too are somewhat incorrect. Hourly workers are more apt to earn overtime pay whereas salaried workers are now able to claim time in lieu……overtime (over 40 hours in a week).
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While your experience may be true
‘ “The United States is the only advanced economy in the world that does not guarantee its workers paid vacation days and paid holidays,” says John Schmitt, Vice President of the Economic Policy Institute, in a report for the Center for Economic and Policy Research.’
That is what I meant – paid holidays are a perk, not a right
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Again we see the PF lack of comprehension..
Paid holidays are part of the employment contract… not perks.
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Yes PF,
and on top of the stupidity of being forced to pay a poor performing employee for not working is the stupidity of a legislated mandate to pay 17.5% loading (yet to be tested), superannuation and for the holiday hours to be accruing more holidays, long service, sick leave, compassionate at the same time. That is why you buy your designer clothes, electrical goods, etc from Asia.
The perk is excessive and beyond the capacity of Australians who want to produce a widget here.
The sooner the beady-eyed lawyers are shown the door in our representative institutions and their habit of destroying productive people and then feeding on the carcass loses judicial and legislative support the better. Collective bargaining should be protected and practiced at the coal face, not projected from Student Union, Arts/Law drug induced idealism.
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The two weeks is also usually taken mostly as one block of holidays as well. My experience was that most salaried people also only got 2 weeks AL.
Salaried people also had a “reasonable overtime is already included” clause in their employment contracts, getting time in lieu was generally pretty difficult to pull off unless it was a special circumstance and always had to be approved beforehand.
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Wendy, on a major project my team all worked very long hours, usually to midnight, expecting time off in lieu when the project was finished. Unfortunately, the company didn’t see their effort in the same light and ignored their requests for leave. Think they learnt a valuable lesson. Needless to say, they left the company soon after.
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Yep, I went through that loop in the consulting business. Couple of the guys joined the customer and I was gone in 6 months.
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Some companies in the US also give their employees 1 day off every 2 weeks. From what I have experienced, it’s every 2nd Friday, but no doubt it could be any day of the week.
This is an attempt to compensate for longer hours worked on the other days. If it’s managed well, then roughly half of the office is off every Friday, and the other half is off the next Friday.
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As one who regularly worked around 60 hours a week, then went home and put in a couple more hours, it’s a way for companies to reduce the actual hourly rate of their employees – pay them based on a 40-hour week, then ask them to regularly work far more hours. Unfortunately, tech companies do this often. Had a software programmer in my team who finally realised that he would be better off being an accountant, earning more and putting in less hours. Smart lad.
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My daughter, and her partner who work in the US attest that twitter is not unique.
Did you not read that sentence, it relates directly to what goes on at twitter
Twist and lie, this is what you have been reduced too
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So name the companies where employees talk about working 4 hours a week for a quarter? Where everyone is a commie, afraid of capitalism?
And if there are any like that, which ones are listed on the NYSE?
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A list would be good PF and we can short their shares too.
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I’d say that anywhere your kin would be able to get work, would have to be like that.
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QUOTES
When you tear out a man’s tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you’re only telling the world that you fear what he might say.
George R.R. Martin, A Clash of Kings (A Song of Ice and Fire, #2)
There is more than one way to burn a book. And the world is full of people running about with lit matches.
Ray Bradbury
When truth is replaced by silence,the silence is a lie.
Yevgeny Yevtushenko
What is freedom of expression? Without the freedom to offend, it ceases to exist.
Salman Rushdie
It’s now very common to hear people say, ‘I’m rather offended by that.’ As if that gives them certain rights. It’s actually nothing more… than a whine. ‘I find that offensive.’ It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. ‘I am offended by that.’ Well, so f***ing what.”
[I saw hate in a graveyard — Stephen Fry, The Guardian, 5 June 2005]
Don’t join the book burners. Don’t think you’re going to conceal faults by concealing evidence that they ever existed. Don’t be afraid to go in your library and read every book…
Dwight D. Eisenhower
The burning of a book is a sad, sad sight, for even though a book is nothing but ink and paper, it feels as if the ideas contained in the book are disappearing as the pages turn to ashes and the cover and binding–which is the term for the stitching and glue that holds the pages together–blacken and curl as the flames do their wicked work. When someone is burning a book, they are showing utter contempt for all of the thinking that produced its ideas, all of the labor that went into its words and sentences, and all of the trouble that befell the author . . .
Lemony Snicket, The Penultimate Peril (A Series of Unfortunate Events, #12)
Once a government is committed to the principle of silencing the voice of opposition, it has only one way to go, and that is down the path of increasingly repressive measures, until it becomes a source of terror to all its citizens and creates a country where everyone lives in fear.”
[Special Message to the Congress on the Internal Security of the United States, August 8, 1950] Harry S. Truman
Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.
Heinrich Heine
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It’s now very common to hear people say, ‘I’m rather offended by that.’ As if that gives them certain rights. It’s actually nothing more… than a whine. ‘I find that offensive.’ It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. ‘I am offended by that.’ Well, so f***ing what.”
[I saw hate in a graveyard — Stephen Fry, The Guardian, 5 June 2005]
Anyone who isn’t offended daily has no moral compass. It’s how you handle that makes the difference.
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Alex Berenson’s email feed says the deal is off.
At least until Twitter can assure Must about the number of actual accounts:
https://tinyurl.com/ujtmtw3y
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Sundance has an astonishing insight into the Twitter operation: it has no economy of scale: “If you understand the cost increases in the data demand for simultaneous users, you can see the business model for Twitter is non-existent.
Bottom line, more users means it costs Twitter more money to operate. The business model is backwards from traditional business. More customers = higher costs, because each customer brings more simultaneous users….. which means exponentially more data performance is needed.”
“Within the systems of technology for public (user engagement) commenting, there is no economy of scale. Each added user represents an increased cost to the operation of the platform, because each user engagement demands database performance to respond to the simultaneous users on the platform. The term “simultaneous users” is critical to understand because that drives the cost.
According to the Wall Street Journal, Twitter has approximately 217 million registered daily users, and their goal is to expand to 315 million users by the end of 2023. Let me explain why things are not what they seem.
When people, users, operate on a tech platform using the engagement features, writing comments, hitting likes, posting images, links etc, the user is sending a data request to the platforms servers. The servers must then respond allowing all simultaneous users to see the change triggered by the single user.
Example: when you hit the “like” button feature on an engagement system, the response (like increasing by one) must not only be visible to you, but must also be visible to those simultaneously looking at the action you took. If 100,000 simultaneous users are looking at the same thing, the database must deliver the response to 100,000 people. As a result, the number of simultaneous users on a user engagement platform drives massive performance costs. In the example above, a single action by one person requires the server to respond to 100,000 simultaneous users with the updated data.”
In short: “There is no business model where Twitter is financially viable to operate…. UNLESS the tech architecture under the platform was subsidized.”
His deep-dive essay is eye-opening:https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/04/14/elon-musk-make-a-massive-proposal-offers-to-purchase-twitter-for-41-billion-with-plan-to-take-company-private/#more-231743
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Elon Musk Describes Current Status of Twitter Offer in His Own Words
May 17, 2022 – Sundance
The Elon Musk appearance on the All-In podcast has generated a lot of news. Below is the entire interview.
The first 20 minutes is worth watching if you do not have the time for the entire broadcast. WATCH:
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/elon-musk-responds-project-veritas-undercover-video-twitter-engineer-admitting-commie-fck/
Elon Musk saw Project Veritas’ undercover video of the Twitter engineer bragging about censoring conservatives and discussing the internal revolt against Musk.
“Is this legit?” Musk said in a tweet responding to the undercover video.
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Elon Musk Announces He’s Switching To Vote Republican
“This election I will.”
Elon Musk, admitting he had voted “overwhelmingly” for Democrats in the past, has changed his mind.
Musk is registered as an independent voter; he announced the switch over video link at a tech summit in Miami, Florida, hosted by the All-In podcast.
“I have voted overwhelmingly for Democrats, historically,” Musk acknowledged. “Like I’m not sure, I might never have voted for a Republican, just to be clear. Now this election I will,” Newsweek reported.
Musk’s metamorphosis from voting Democrat to voting Republican could have been documented by actions over the last two years.
In July 2020, Musk issued two tweets tweaking the Left. The first likely confounded members of the Left confident that their support for attacks on America, whether physical (riots, looting) or philosophical (the 1619 project) was shared by everyone in the so-called center of the political spectrum. Musk tweeted, “The left is losing the middle.”
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Elon Musk Mocks Biden, Teases Who the ‘Real President’ Is
Musk seems to have started the trend of questioning the narrative with his effort to buy Twitter and save free speech. He’s said he’s “overwhelmingly” voted for Democrats in the past but now seems to have been red-pilled or at least moved to the right by Joe Biden and the Democrats’ radical move to the far left.
Musk did a podcast on Monday and he mocked Biden’s reliance on the teleprompter and his failed approach to inflation.
.@ElonMusk:
“It’s hard to tell what Biden’s doing, to be frank. The real president is whoever controls the teleprompter … The path to power is the path to the teleprompter … If someone were to accidentally lean on the teleprompter, it would be like ‘Anchorman,’ ‘UUASDF123′”
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Elon Musk has done a very great thing in services toward free speech.
Even if he has to sacrifice Twitter as a non-viable operation and he loses his entire investment, he will still be the richest man in the world.
But in any case, it won’t have been for nothing, because he has helped expose the evil of the Left (that IS the right word) and may end up shutting down (or hopefully reforming) this enormously destructive propaganda operation that among many acts of evil, helped remove a President of the United States with their lies, media manipulation, suppression of truth about Hunter and the election fraud, etc. even shutting down his account.
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I haven’t been paying attention to the detail, but surely he would not be bound to pay in full for impropriety.
I would also find it hard to believe that this stuff is news for him.
Perhaps it was knowledge of a hidden opportunity that prompted him to engage in this project.
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” If 100,000 simultaneous users are looking at the same thing, the database must deliver the response to 100,000 people”
Does it? the database may just update the view that 100,000 people are looking at. That’s a very different transaction. It really depends on architecture.
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They must be doing the tech wrong
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All of this is hardly a surprise and I wonder if Musk will still want to purchase this far left mess now and whether he’ll be able to make a profit soon enough to make it all worthwhile?
Perhaps it would be better to start some new online forum that better suits a genuine, representative town square mix of both left and right?
Who knows, but this is easy to say, but not not easily done. And can you make a profit from a new online representative mix?
Elon Musk is a lot younger and brighter bloke than I am, but if he pays the full price for this unrepresentative mess he’ll need to hire a very bright group to untangle it all before they even start to try and fix it.
It still seems an incredible price to pay for this ( so far) poison chalice.
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Sorry above should read poisoned chalice, not poison.
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Elon Musk’s Twitter Detractors Were Subsidized With $10.5 Million In Taxpayer Funds
Mr. Musk asked “who funds them?” We answered… and, in part, it’s you.
Topline
Elon Musk’s deal to buy Twitter for $44 billion has 26 activist and progressive policy organizations urging the platform’s advertisers to demand that Musk do as they say or face an advertising boycott.
But some of these groups have benefited from our tax dollars while critics say they try to limit free speech and control the flow of information on Twitter.
Big number
Those 26 organizations penned a letter at the beginning of May when they heard the Tesla Motors CEO was buying the social media company that banned then-President Donald Trump.
They urged Twitter’s advertisers to push back against Musk’s plans to reverse Trump’s ban, among other things.
In recent years, those activist organizations collectively received about $10.5 million in federal funds – mostly pandemic aid in FY2020.
They’ll happily take public dollars while they work to weaken the public square, critics say.
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I’m not sure that DT even needs Twitter. I think he’s doing very well without it. His rallies are being broadcast on a range of different platforms that offer easy access for people. When he was on Twitter he supposedly had 80 m followers. But probably half of them were his opponents who just wanted to know what he was up to , or abuse him.
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This might have been Musk’s plan all along. Under cover of a supposed buy, he was made privy to all of Twitter’s secrets through the due diligence process. This has flushed out the sewer for all to see, not just the political bias that most conservatives already knew was being applied, but also the company’s perilous financial and operational condition. More importantly still, we now have proof that the bias and lousy finances are both a result of leftist mismanagement, rendering the company pretty much worthless.
So clever old Musk has pulled off a genius move whereby he can now choose to walk away leaving Twitter in a smouldering, rotten heap, or drive its value down to the point where he can buy it so cheap it’s nevertheless worth a punt.
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Yes, a genius move.
Not even the world’s richest man is going to throw away US$44 billion and be the laughing stock of Leftists. He will make THEM the laughing stock, if necessary.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/elon-musk-condition-twitter-purchase
Published May 17, 2022
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This may be the best, most productive thing Musk has ever done, unveiling what lies behind twitter, he may ditch the deal once he finds how fake it is.
Is Soros the financial backer behind twitter.
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The responses to the first couple of comments leaves me puzzled. Lots of reds and greens that seem to be overreacting both ways.
Have we gotten to the point in the discussion where we are interpreting an interpretation of an interpretation and have forgotten the starting point?
Was that pile of reds at #1 because the author was “known” and measured because of previous posts?
KK
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Pile of reds at #1?
I can only speak for myself but when the subject is the sheer evil being done by twitter and big tech, a plea for understanding and tolerance of the evil being done grates and becomes part of the evil.
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Thanks for the response.
Maybe I haven’t read enough about this and failed to see the comment in the same context as a lot of others.
I understand the evil of Twitter but didn’t see Max as endorsing it.
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KK.
I think I actually did the first red thumb on the comment.
Because of this sentence …
“Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom from the consequences of your speech.”
I’m American, so have heard a lots of discussion about the limits of the 1st Amendment over the years.
This is a new take that I perceive to have come from anti free speech political elements.
It also exactly wrong in my HO.
Free speech does protect one from being arrested by the government for saying something the government doesn’t like.
This statement is one of those weird logic pretzels the Left professionally produces nowadays.
It is both true and false because it is intentionally vacuous and devoid of nuance, which is the essential crux of law (and science).
It’s very similar to another agitprop lead break flung at the heads of an unsuspecting public … ‘Climate Change’.
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Thanks Honk R, it’s a tricky one and I can see your point and it does need to be put in context.
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Leftists constantly whinge and complain that they are “victims”. In fact there are very few genuine examples of Leftists being victims due to gender, race or relationship preferences.
But conservatives are genuine victims of the Left. Everything we believe in is under constant, relentless, daily attack by the Left.
For example (to name a very few):
-Heterosexuality.
-Heterosexual marriage and relationships.
-Traditional family values.
-Free speech.
-Freedom to do as you please as long as you harm no others.
-Reasonable taxes and regulations (not excessive).
-Freedom of thought.
-Patriotism.
-Security of banking and property (not subject to seizure of personal property or money by the state without due process and for fair reasons.)
-Inexpensive, reliable power grids and fuel sources.
-Freedom of companies to do mining and oil and gas exploration outside genuine areas worthy of protection.
– No state decrees on size of housing, cars or other consumption by disproportionate taxes or regulation.
-Freedom to openly discuss and debate issues such as covid and supposed anthropogenic global warming.
-Freedom of medical treatment e.g. state not to ban covid treatment with e.g. HCQ, IVM.
-The ability for free and open debate.
-Fair and free elections.
-Free to use plastic bags (not to overseas readers, free plastic bags from shops were banned in Australia, causing huge inconvenience to all conservatives I know who loved these multi-use wonders).
-Freedom from Nanny Statism, we know what is right for us, not the Government.
-Freedom of abuse by Leftists just as we don’t abuse them.
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Covers everything.
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How can you have freedom of speech and freedom from abuse at the same time?
Just get a heap of the fruit plastic bags if you need them, they are my dog poop bags for a constitutional with the hound, or rubbish bin liners.
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{quote}Freedom to do as you please as long as you harm no others.{}
The number of people needing “safe spaces” asks the question of – Who determines what is “harm”?
Finding out the neighbors “white house” is painted green on the “other side” means someone did not have “all the information” on which to describe the situation.
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I think EM is going to “do” Twitter slowly. Twitter is overpriced, which is why EM has asked for accurate data on the number of spam bots etc. What he has also done is shine a light into the organisation and its complete bias towards one side of politics. But most of us knew that inherent bias anyway. Unfortunately, this social media platform has influence amongst our politicians and policy makers. They use Twitter to gauge peoples reactions to all sorts of happenings. It’s a sewer, but an influential sewer amongst MSM and government. Anyone who witnessed the #istandwithdan movement last year would understand how also it can be manipulated for political gain. I’m still not fully convinced about old Elon. By nature and his history I think his politics is slightly left of centre. Hence, if in fact he takes control of Twitter, that bias might still be present. But that would be OK, if then those right of centre were allowed free speech on the platform.
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I haven’t read much about him, but didn’t he make heaps of money out of the Electric Vehicle thing: if so, he’s walking both sides of the street.
Ultimately EVs are a failure currently held up by advertising and political machinations and subsidies so he comes across as an opportunist with enormous skill in that area.
Tread carefully around Elon.
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I haven’t read much about him, but didn’t he make heaps of money out of the
Electric Vehiclehorseless carriage thing: if so, he’s walking both sides of the street.Ultimately
EVshorseless carriages are a failure currently held up by advertising and political machinations and subsidies so he comes across as an opportunist with enormous skill in that area.Tread carefully around
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Did Daimler “happen” purely because of government edicts and subsidies?
Or did he produce something people actually wanted.
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Not everything new is inevitable. It will only last if it is the best. A motorised buggy was inevitable, the Stanley Steamer also looked to be, but wasn’t.
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Did I miss the sarchasm in this?
I don’t know anything about herr Daimler.
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“The Daimler Company Limited, prior to 1910 The Daimler Motor Company Limited, was an independent British motor vehicle manufacturer founded in London by H. J. Lawson in 1896, which set up its manufacturing base in Coventry.” (wikipedia)
Maybe Joe has a special interest in the name there being no kraut herr immediately apparent but a search on musk daimler bears fruit.
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yes plunge straight from EVs to horseless carriages, it makes so much sense
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Musk certainly has shown great skill in milking the public purse.
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🙂
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At one stage Tesla nearly went broke. It was only a Herculean effort by Elon himself that solved his production problems. Or, so he says. At the moment he’s riding a big wave of media acclaim, particularly with his space program. But, all that could disappear very quickly as well. To me, he seems like he is actually try to do too many things. Spreading himself too thinly. For instance, if the Chinese started to build a cheaper, knock off Tesla type vehicle with charger support he might be in trouble.
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It’s no wonder Twitter dumps on Free Speech.
Think of who’s working there: they’re not the sons and daughters of the American Revolution.
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OT.. so much for the Indian record temps!
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2022/05/17/record-temperatures-in-delhi/#more-56576
Article goes on to describe the expanding concrete, semi-industrial nature of these two new sites.
And points out that at older sites, one with actual historic readings for comparison, the temperatures were no warmer than in the 1940s
ie.. just more FAKE alarmist news.
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Well, not really off topic. Because you can bet those reported high temps in India went viral on Twitter and other social media. Bot armies were probably employed by a host of green blob organisations to push those reported news items. A couple of years ago the rest of the world thought “Australia was on fire”, because it trended big time. What do we know now? Sure, there were big fires ( no big deal for Australia) where the burn area % was less than the long term average. That’s how Twitter gets manipulated. Trouble is, I don’t think Elon could fix that. Most of the retweets, comments from such an event are probably from legitimate accounts.
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Makes you wonder if Oz’s BOM helped design where the new sites would be positioned.
It probably wouldn’t have mattered anyway, they could always rely on homogenisation.
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And the warmists seem to have missed the fact that India is a mostly tropical country. It’s very hot and humid most of the time. They used to teach that in geography lessons in schools, back on the day.
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Can you believe this nonsense from the Leftist propagandists? It seems people in that area have survived hot and cold weather perfectly well for millennia. Yes, I see the hand of fake or inappropriately recorded temperatures here.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/02/asia/india-pakistan-heatwave-climate-intl-hnk/index.html
India and Pakistan heatwave is ‘testing the limits of human survivability,’ expert says
By Rhea Mogul, Esha Mitra, Manveena Suri and Sophia Saifi, CNN
Updated 9:01 PM EDT, Mon May 02, 2022
SEE LINK FOR REST
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India and Pakistan, hot ? always was, always will be.
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This hot in May? Really?
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Yes, regularly
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In fact, May is generally their hottest month.
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” … the hottest March in India since 1901.”
So “global warming” was apparent 120 years ago – then how come it got cool again?
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Heh, at least they have their weather record.
In Australia the BoM expunged all records prior to 1910.
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Is that a crime?
Destruction of government property? Vandalism of public heritage? Dereliction of public responsibility? And the rest…
If not it damn well ought to be.
It’s an indispensable and irreplaceable historical document. A priceless reference for future generations. A treasure-trove of carefully collected and collated information that belongs to the Australian People.
What would happen if someone decided expunge all of Hansard prior to 1910?
Why is this not a public scandal?
Where is the outrage from politicians, the public, scientists, and the media?
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The BOM didn’t destroy the old data, it publishes quite a lot of it on their website, if you know where to look. It doesn’t include that data in long term climate trends arguing that it was not recorded on standard equipment. So they do hide history every time they announce a “record since records began”, when they ignore most of the 1800s.
But even in stardardized modern records they have ways to ignore the data. They even deleted the hottest day in Bourke (50c+) in 1909 because it was recorded on Sunday when observers were not required to work. That was recorded in a stevenson screen but who cares eh?. Like many measurements in the 1910s 1920s and 1920s which were recorded on BOM standardized equipment but which have been “corrected” by a mysterious black box analysis method that no one outside the BOM is permitted to know all the details of.
To learn more google joannenova and BOM and Bourke 1909 and — joannenova bom admits methods are secret — also joannenova BOM homogenization.
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The 2022 heat wave in India and Pakistan has led to the hottest March in India since 1901. It arrived unusually early in the year and extended into April, affecting a large part of the country’s northwest. Rainfall has been only a quarter to a third of normal. Several cities across India had high temperatures over 42.8 °C (109.0 °F), with Wardha rising to 45 °C (113 °F).[3] At least 90 have people died; 25 in India, and 65 more in Pakistan, with the final toll expected to be much higher. The heat wave is remarkable for occurring during a La Niña event.[6]
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WEATHER.. do try to tell the difference..
Cities in India regularly have temperature that warm.
There is no evidence of any human causation except massive urban heating effects.
Not to mention all those air conditioners pumping warm air from inside to outside.
Also, as you can see, it is local to NW India, and offset by a cooler area further to the NW over Turkey
There is absolutely nothing “Global” about it.
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La Nina is behind the heatwaves.
https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/climate-change/warm-arctic-waves-la-ni-a-to-blame-for-early-heat-waves-depressions-experts-82132
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Wasn’t there a British comedy set in India called ” It Ain’t Half Hot Mum.”
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Wasn’t there a British comedy set in India called ” It Ain’t Half Hot Mum.”
Indeed there was. Britain at it’s best.
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There are episodes on youtube. Just watched one, brilliant.
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LOL. So how come people have survived hot weather since the last Ice Age? Air Conditioning? The Babylonians had buildings that used building engineering and the airflows to keep cool. They survived……………………
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My bad, sorry. I turned my central heating on in Victoria about a month ago. I’m sure that I was responsible for the above average temps in Pakistan and India. You know, the butterfly effect.
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https://www.naturalworldsafaris.com/asia/india/when-to-go/may
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India in May….. sell up and go away.
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Tony Heller has linked old newspaper articles about heat waves in India here:
Somebody hasn’t checked the records.
https://www.climatedepot.com/2022/05/09/cnn-claims-normal-weather-is-a-climate-crisis/
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Somebody hasn’t read Kipling either
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For a start
“The temper of chums, the love of your wife, and a new piano’s tune —
Which of the three will you trust at the end of an Indian June?”
Certain Maxims of Hafiz
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Free speech is pretty simple.
You are responsible for what you say.
You are responsible for allowing people say what they want, the most you can do is vocalise your different opinion.
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But, if your statements are within the law, you should NOT be held responsible for how others CHOOSE to react to them.
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In terms of censoring free speech, search engines probably play a more significant, yet subtle, role than the social media platforms.
Unfiddled, the searches from various engines will more reflect the belief of their users than provably factual results. So it is already biased by the people using it. I searched on the words “Donald trump American hero” on three search engines. The results are quite different.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=donald+trump+american+hero&t=osx&ia=web
https://www.google.com.au/search?q=donald+trump+american+hero&client=safari&ei=jUuEYuudB6PPseMPkcK0-A8&ved=0ahUKEwirmMjO8uf3AhWjZ2wGHREhDf8Q4dUDCA0&uact=5&oq=donald+trump+american+hero&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAM6BAguEEM6BAgAEEM6CwgAEIAEELEDEIMBOhEILhCABBCxAxCDARDHARCjAjoKCAAQsQMQgwEQQzoKCC4QsQMQgwEQQzoFCC4QgAQ6CAgAELEDEIMBOgcIABCxAxBDOgsILhCABBCxAxCDAToHCC4Q1AIQQzoKCAAQgAQQRhD7AToFCAAQgAQ6CAgAEIAEEMcDSgQIQRgASgQIRhgAUIoGWPZFYLlQaAFwAXgAgAGcAYgB3xySAQQwLjI2mAEAoAEBwAEB&sclient=gws-wiz
https://www.bing.com/search?q=Donald+trump+american+hero&search=&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=donald+trump+american+hero&sc=2-26&qs=n&sk=&cvid=E1329C578F704A75B322F7ABF0BE6D54
All the lead hits on GOOGLE are damning of Trump. Both Bing and DDG have more balance in their lead hits. I doubt GOOGLE is actively “censoring” the search information. The results are more likely to reflect the searches of its users.
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You have to also consider the push/pull factor. On social media (depending on who you follow etc) the information is PUSHED towards you. Whereas, if you are seeking the information you have to PULL that info via web search etc. So social media is a lazy way for people to get their news and views on all current topics. A lot of people wake up in the morning and go straight to Twitter, Instagram, Facebook to get their update. It’s literally served up to them with bias built in. So in some ways social media is actually more powerful in forming peoples views. Is it balanced? Nope.
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Elon says it all:
https://i0.wp.com/clownuniverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/97186E71-576B-42D9-8035-A3B27BE73516.jpeg
I wouldn’t even both with Twitter.
These platforms are all destined to crash and burn anyway.
$40B would buy a few small countries.
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To an old fart like me, Twitter, Facebook and many others are just gossip calypso. Much more interesting to talk face to face.
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and a blog is ….?
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If only Elon Musk could make a similar ‘too good to refuse’ offer for our (‘their’) ABC of Australia – then make a negotiation drill down in actual viewers numbers, lack of opportunity to comment to articles, political bias in content and presenters/staff, activism versus real reporting of issues, lack of value to the owners (Australian taxpayer), multiple channels broadcasting the same program, salaries and benefits of overpaid staff compared to private broadcasters, security of employment . . . .
SBS could benefit with the same analysis.
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I always had hopes for Gina R to do something like that.
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I must admit that I occasionally watch SBS (or more accurally record a program of possible interest) whereas there is NEVER (What NEVER, well (very) occasionally EVER!) something on the ABC worth doing so. Even then they turn out to be either BBC propaganda or ghastly ABC imitations.
I cannot see any reason for a sane person to want to own the ABC. John O’Grady (Nino Culotta of They’re a Weird Mob) in the 1960’s wrote of ABC types and since then it has steadily gone downhill (I was surprised the other day to a reference to Robin Williams(?) still doing the Science Show – no need to confirm, I stopped listening to it back in the late seventies as it degenerated into nonsense). It has become a self sustaining circus, and the only ways to rescue it are
1. Close the whole lot down – which will cause wails of anguish from mothers of small children**.
2. Make it a SUBSCRIPTION choice or choices. Split it into sections, Country & Emergency Info, Childrens Play Time, old BBC repeats, and Current Affairs (or Play Time for older children). No need to fund any new programs (as these seem to have been dropped) nor the expensive (and quite useless) management. I suggest that a fee of 8 cents a day (rounded to $30 a year or pro rata) would bring home to the denizens their actual value).
**As everytime there is a suggestion that savings could be made the “Friends of the ABC” claim that Peppa Pig would go, indicating the major (and mental age) of average ABC viewers.
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Twitter reported that its revenue was $1.2 billion for the first three months of the year, up 16 percent from a year earlier but lower than a 20 percent growth rate the company had predicted for the year. Profit was $513 million, or about 61 cents per share.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/04/28/technology/twitter-first-quarter-earnings-elon-musk.html#:~:text=Twitter%20reported%20that%20its%20revenue,about%2061%20cents%20per%20share.
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It’s common for teens to think free speech means bullying of minorities. This is the message that gets through. It doesn’t have to be directly taught, it’s what kids gather from the information given.
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Problem. Musk is a Schwab neophyte.
Ergo, utterly untrustworthy.
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/twitter-elon-musk-spam-bots-big-tech/2022/05/17/id/1070253/
Audit Shows Nearly Half of Biden’s Twitter Followers Are Bots
A tool created by the software company SparkToro that distinguishes real accounts from fake accounts known as “spambots,” or “bots,” found that almost half of President Joe Biden’s 22.2 million Twitter followers were not real, Newsweek reported on Tuesday.
The audit conducted by SparkToro’s tool found that 49.3% of those following the official @POTUS Twitter account are bots based on an analysis of location issues, default profile images, date of creation, and more.
The company’s tool also found that Biden’s account has more fake followers than most.
SEE LINK FOR REST
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“Audit Shows Nearly Half of Biden’s Twitter Followers Are Bots”
And the other half have even less self-awareness and intelligence.
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The ignorant arrogance of these people is offensive.
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I am pretty sure you are describing the our Political parties, Industry Super Boards and the top level of just about every government department or committee.
My challenge is to name the Departments, Parties or Boards not populated by one time student activists or their relatives? I have done this to limit the possible instances where a leadership group is run by those who have come up through the ranks and have skill or experience in the area they administer.
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You can lay blame on the MBA idea that all you need is to know how to manage – you don’t need to know anything about what you are managing.
IIRC about the mid 1970’s Beech Aircraft was a shining MBA course example of how not to run a company
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May only work 4 hours a week? I knew a girl who did THREE full time jobs in a Government Department and by 11a.m. would switch to reading paperbacks, to the distress of her manager. He wanted her to photocopy the novels so it looked like she was reading a report. When she left, for maternity reasons, she was replaced by 2 people and a third was wanted because she had been doing 3 Gazetted positions.
Another case (State Govt.) a bloke was transferred internally to another section but was told he wasn’t wanted yet. Knowing that the Section Manager was at Odds with his previous Section Manager he got employed at a nearby firm. All was well until he failed to collect his pay one week and the Pay Office sent a reminder to his supposed Section. The Manager there sent it back to his previous Section with a note ‘suggesting’ that the employees there should ‘at least wake up to collect their pay’. The previous Manager responded with remarks in writing suggesting that at least ‘they knew which Section they were in etc”. The ‘entrepreneur’ picked up his pay package 2 days later oblivious to any commotion. Relations between Sections degenerated from there, until (as a friend in the Department said “it looked like barbed wire and machinegun nests would be installed in the corridor”. After 6-7 months things had got so bad that the Deputy of the Department had to come to the Office and try to sort things out. After Charge and counterCharge he asked “which Section does he belong to?” Then, when both section bosses pointed at the other he asked “what has he been doing?”
It turned out that he came in the morning and signed his name in the book at the foot of the stairs and then went out the backdoor to his new job just down the alleyway. He got an hour for lunch so use to come back to the (subsidised) canteen and be conspicuous, so no-one noticed he was missing. He was ‘apprehended’ and given a choice of paying back 10 months pay and keeping his job or being dismissed. He chose to keep the backpay and keep his new job.
There was a directive that “steps be taken to prevent this happening again”. These took the action that all employees had to not only sign the Attendance book in the morning (and at night) but also when going to lunch and returning. He came back 3 days later at lunchtime (the Canteen was subsidised remember) as bold as brass walking by the book to get upstairs.
It was about that time my friend decided that his future lay elsewhere where people were conscious during the day.
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IIRC this is in R.V. Jones “Most secret war”.
A higher ranking military officer came in like that, changed out of uniform before exiting the back door to spend the day on a beer delivery wagon. And felt he made a more useful contribution to the war effort.
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Mark Dice talks about Elon backing out of the purchase due to the huge number of fake Twitter accounts, much more than the under 5% Twitter claimed.
https://youtu.be/paJOuc4wU8U
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Politicians. Sigh!
You can though help get John Ruddick into the senate if voting in NSW. This country desperately needs sensible and politically savvy people like Ruddick in parliament.
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