An electric bus in Paris self immolated last Friday.
There were no injuries, apart from the bus itself, presumably because there were no passengers.
Note how little time all the passengers on a packed bus would have had to get out.
Just four weeks ago another Bolloré brand electric bus caught fire in Paris. A passer-by saw smoke and told the driver, and everyone on board got safely off before the situation got out of control. In response to this second explosion all 149 similar Bolloré brand Bluebuses have been withdrawn from circulation. The RAPT points out that “it has been operating electric buses since 2016 without any major incident”. But I think everyone can see what might have happened.
Buses are killing other busses though:
In late September 2021 a large fire event in Stuttgarter Straßenbahnen (SBB)’s depot, in Gaisberg, destroyed 25 buses. A first assessment by the police, reported on many German media, said that the fire could have been caused by an electric bus during charging procedure.
h/t b.nice
“We have no liability because no one _made you_ get on the bus.”
– from the Minister for Transport (as advised by the Minister for Health).
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Merde
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Shouldn’t you say “Pardon my French” if you’re going to use language like that?
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I was just thinking that was one of GeeAye’s more intelligent contributions to the forum.
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Merde noire.
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I like how the bus behind it decided that it was a good time to go past.
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PS- “RATP” not RAPT. An otherwise excellent transport system.
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Hope all the kiddies are wearing their masks!!
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The fact they’ve been operating them since 2016 without major incident makes it even worse for me. It means they thought it was all worked out, but turns out it wasn’t at all. The great delusion, the most dangerous thing in the world.
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Time will tell I guess. It could be a totally isolated incident , like losing the occasional aircraft. Or, it could the first indication of a systemic failure or poor design like the 737 rudder fiasco.
One thing for sure they wont get much information out of the wreckage.
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Those French electric busses are made by Ballor who use a unique battery technology (LMP) , which is claimed to be safe and “resistant to thermal runaway” !
https://www.bollore-transport-logistics.com/fileadmin/user_upload/0605_BSTOR_1805047_Flyer_3_volets_100x210mm_GB_v4.pdf
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[…] Would you let your children catch this bus? […]
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A new NSW Australia production line is opening soon for Electric Buses and Cars, Brand: BYD designed in China.
NSW Transport has ordered a number of BYD Electric Buses for inner city suburban routes.
Lithium ion batteries are being manufactured in Newcastle NSW, the Prime Minister recently visited the factory during his campaigning.
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I bet Albo will be paying a visit too. Green jobs green jobs!!
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For almost a quarter of a century I was employed by the same manufacturing, sales and distribution company owned by a publicly listed company, the last thirteen years as managing director, and earlier in my career I worked in manufacturing industry mostly.
Of course Australia has lost many manufacturers that have shut down completely or moved offshore to a more competitive country, the UN Lima Protocol signed by Whitlam Labor during 1975 was the beginning of the exodus to UN designated developing nations, such as China. Other UN treaties and agreements have added to reasons why Australia is not competitive for manufacturing with some exceptions, many now marginal in terms of profitability still manufacturing today.
However their is a general misconception that Australia has very few manufacturers and that is incorrect, the Morrison Coalition Government has been talking about national security and manufacturing revival, and they have been helping the private sector to achieve the goal. Among the most recent the remaining oil refineries being encouraged to increase production capacity, but of course State government’s cooperation is essential for planning approval, environmental protection issues, etc.
The BYD Electric Bus and Car manufacturing is an example, and Lithium ion battery production facilities. Armoured self-propelled artillery will soon be manufactured here by a South Korean company, long range missiles under licence to the US, Boeing Australia and the RAAF have a joint venture pilotless jet fighter “Loyal Wingman” now called Ghost Bat flying, RAAF have six for development with Boeing and with export markets also in the plan. Ghost Bat can fly alongside piloted RAAF aircraft or be ground controlled to fly on missions without piloted aircraft escorts. Thales manufacture the Bushman armoured personnel carrier for the ADF and export markets and other military vehicles and equipment.
There are two steel mills here, aluminium smelters, cement plants, food canneries, brewers and bottle manufacturers, medical equipment including ICU ventilators and beds.
The list of manufacturers in Australia exceeds 200 companies.
Albo is as usual playing a “me too” political game, a small target strategy, vote for Labor and they will be safe, but so what, we have safe already and nothing new on offer?
“Plenty of ideas but no grand plan in low-key launch
Anthony Albanese has vowed to change Australia by doing very little different. This is the fundamental contradiction in Labor’s case for change.”
The Australian 2 May, 2022
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Why is #8.1.1. still not published?
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Don’t let the facts stop you from spruiking.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-02-11/australia-loses-another-oil-refinery-risking-fuel-supply/13139648
In the space of four months, Australia has lost half of its remaining oil refineries.
In October, BP announced it was closing its Kwinana oil refinery in Perth and converting it into a fuel import terminal.
The oil major said the refinery — Australia’s largest — was no longer economically viable.
It blamed the regional over-supply of fuel and the growth of mega-refineries in Asia and the Middle East that had structurally changed the regional fuel market, saying Kwinana couldn’t compete with those overseas refineries anymore.
Its decision meant the number of oil refineries in Australia would decline from four to three.
Now, a few months later, ExxonMobil has announced the closure of its Altona oil refinery in Melbourne, saying it was no longer economically viable.
It, too, will be turned into a fuel-import terminal.
In April last year, the Government took advantage of historically low fuel prices to build a “strategic fuel reserve,” paying $94 million to bolster the national stockpile of crude oil (an equivalent of an extra four or five days of fuel use), with the oil to be held in storage space leased from the US Government on American soil, to help Australia get closer to its 90-day emergency threshold.
In the USA prior to 2016 they were also reliant on fuel imports, they foolishly elected someone with a head of hair, all be it Orange, and a set of balls who had a brain fart and thought, “seems we are sitting on hundreds of years of oil, maybe we should extract our own” and just like that, problem solved.
Sadly our current Traitor has neither a head of hair, a set of balls or an ounce of common sense. Yet we also sit on hundreds of billions of barrels of oil.
So your wetting your panties over our new manufacturing, building weapons for war. Where do I go to buy an Aussie made vehicle, fridge, washing machine or is Smirko’s 2050 goal involve me beating my cloths on a rock in the creek with a can of tinned peaches.
Breweries wow, we can all sit on the beach, get on the piss while launching missiles, are you planning on bringing back fireworks night. Does your 201 include the 199 micro breweries.
Exceeds 200, so shill maths means 201, seriously Dennis that’s a big number to you, one manufacturing facility for every 130,000 Australians!
The Irony of your drivel on buses and batteries is your on a post about the negative issues of both.
Your not exactly drowning in logic are you.
What are you going to do when Smirko is turfed, polish Overeasy’s shoes?
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BYD is 10 per cent owned by Warren Buffett?
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Really? China actually designed something themselves rather that stealing somebody else’s intellectual property?
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“……Electric Buses for inner city suburban routes” about the only place they would be of use, plus maybe defined campus loop buses.
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Err ?…not yet !
That “Renaissance One” manufacturing plant is still in the planning stage .
They are currently constructing a pilot facility..
“ER will design, commission and operate a pilot lithium-ion battery manufacturing plant (Project ‘Apollo’) to develop, test and document the technology, systems and processes required to operate a full-scale manufacturing facility (‘Renaissance One’) at Tomago, NSW.”
Note.. they have been spruking this since 2015 !
https://www.amgc.org.au/project/pilot-lithium-ion-battery-manufacturing-plant/
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And if you look at the building construction on that link,…. you might think you have seen bigger garden sheds ! ??
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Is that bus still carbon neutral ? Quite a lot of persistent toxic smoke there.
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Don’t worry, it’s renewable smoke.
/sarc.
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Buses are nothing, these things have brought at least one aeroplane down. It was a cargo flight (UPS6) and the two crew died:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UPS_Airlines_Flight_6
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It is just possible that lithium battery explosions will penetrate the consciousness of decision makers. Not until the truth has been shredded, burned and buried of course, but big bada booms can’t all be passed off as mostly peaceful harmless fireworks displays.
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Sure they can. I mean diesel buses are bursting into flames while parked all the time, just ask the EV fanboys. This is a mere anomaly , easily dismissed. Nothing will happen unless the public refuses to embark.
I recall some visiting Japanese businessmen in the 90s horrified by the fact that all the cabs back them in Melbourne were LPG powered. It only took a couple of firey incidents and public rejection in Japan to kill the fuel for taxis, no matter how much they improved standards.
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Anybody else reminded of Steve Coogan: No-one died”?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUoT5AxFpRs
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O/T but it is late
Well now!
https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiaDenjdtY-6TW_rqhCcKW0txvzIcckCwsMCLBzLIFOyUOCOtK5ejEYQKB8LNamcWN7lFG13INEXVVsvVVEMvWJfvAR3fKd1qK6T-ASr9xpII3ZKPzFSZNXpy_ejIeSmXj2ERL8n907Smy3vZyMAHhF8u0sgS7eI0inu7m1YXdi8w3DKp7ATELoZLBJ/w400-h266/Meme%20-%20Twitter%20paid%20for%20by%20Tesla.png
More here
https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/05/memes-that-made-me-laugh-107.html
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I am no believer in the electric vehicle revolution since it is effectively as harmful, if not more so, as the ICE driven equivalent.
Decades of improvement made ICE’s safer especially with anti-spill and anti-exploding fuel tanks. The advent of computer controls on some ICE vehicles lead to harmful events and manufacturer recalls and that can still be the case with new designs which are not thoroughly tested. Of course designers cannot mitigate every accident that can happen but at least they can achieve as much protection as can be envisaged to be essential. But what do you do with a battery that may have a mind of its own, esepcially a battery located above the passenger area? This is another example of a technology being pushed to its limits because it is not about improving transport for us all, it is about dictating an over rapid and inappropriate reaction to a climate agenda based around an as yet unproven theory.
Imagine what terrible carnage there would have been had those pavements and the street been crowded with people and vehicles.
Have we really become such a pathetic race that we cannot see what risks are being taken by politicians just to appease those who believe this new replacement for religion? If the planet is going to overheat it is going to overheat and we will not have had the remotest chance of preventing it. The sensible money is on the fact there is another much colder spell of a few decades ahead of us and some people seem to believe we can generate enough energy to keep us warm via intermittents, renewables and batteries in a working grid network within the next twenty eight years – they must be certifiably insane.
They should be observing what is happening in Asia and thinking – do they know something we should know too?
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Brilliant; covers everything.
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Swap ICE for horse and cart and EV for ICE and voila, 1910.
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What do you get when you cram more and more energy, into a smaller and smaller space?
Hint starts with B
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Bang!
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Apparently not the only RATP bus to catch fire this week.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/france/article/2022/04/29/paris-suspends-electric-bus-fleet-after-two-fires_5981956_7.html
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Three EV bus fires in one month in France.
https://goadnews.com/in-one-month-three-electric-buses-caught-fire-in-paris-and-carcassonne/
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“Note how little time all the passengers on a packed bus would have had to get out.”
Actually, if there were passengers on that bus, they wouldn’t have gotten out. As soon as the battery self detonates, electrical power to the vehicle is curtailed and there would be no way to open the doors.
The passengers would be incinerated. Very quickly.
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But but, if it saves one life it will be worth it.
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“A small country community is set to become the first town in regional Victoria to boast an entirely electric bus fleet.
Seymour, a town of about 6,000 in Victoria’s north, will trial three electric buses as part of Victoria’s zero-emissions bus trial.
Transport Minister Ben Carroll announced, “From 2025, every government purchase and order of a new bus will be zero emissions”.
“Slowly but surely, we’re catching up with the rest of the world.”
https://ab.co/38KxNKM
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“More pointless waffle from Ian.”
I’ll take that as a yes then shall I?
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ian, is it coincidence that over twenty food processing plants in the US have suffered destructive events in the last 2 to 3 months, two hit by crashing airplanes. Or that delivers of fertilizer has been halted just at planting time? Or that thousands of hours of Jan 6 video are being withheld from defense teams? Or is coincidence a one-way street for you?
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Labor wants electric bus manufacturing in Perth.
Someone please tell them to consider LiFePO4 batteries. Apparently they don’t self immolate as easily as the ones in the current lines of EVs do.
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I think you will find that most of the bus batteries are LifePo4.
Certainly the BYD vehicles.
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Oops !…
Looks like those Volgren (Volvo) electric busses for perth are using NCA batteries, not LiFePo4 !
..batteries on the roof,…much like the original video !!
https://www.volvobuses.com/au/city-and-intercity/chassis/volvo-bzl-electric/specifications.html
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With the agreements & treaties for 2030 & 2050, I believe there is a growing push to have all underground mines go electric.
There have even been a couple of UG Boggers [ loaders] brought in to my locallity.
I can’t imagine it would be easy to replicate the energy output equivalent to a Cat 3806 in a truck hauling 50t plus itself up a decline.
The current draw on batteries would be outstanding.
Now looking at this picture & the vid of the Spanish Bus recently:-
https://www.bitchute.com/video/vCiNDYNDTV3O/
it is hard to imagine controlling such a conflagration in an underground situation.
Further, mine ventilation & emergency egress parameters would have to be re-assessed.
Lastly I have been lead to understand that the Temperature of these un quenchable fires is sufficient to melt steel.
If this is indeed the case; what would be the increase risk of igniting Sulfide Fires, particularly in deeper mines,
which have a much greater air column & more/denser O2 available to burn metallic sulfides?
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The important issue for firefighters dealing with these and other electric vehicles is to not get caught laughing on camera while they burn to the ground. That is of course assuming all the passengers are safely off.
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Electric passenger ferries on the way
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/465934/electric-ferries-coming-to-auckland-harbour
And this
https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/395942/world-first-ports-of-auckland-to-add-electric-tugboat-to-its-fleet
Then electric passenger aircraft ?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/126364924/air-nz-plans-to-be-flying-electric-aircraft-by-2030-chief-pilot-says
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This twenty-first century is hosting a general failure to observe safeguards; it’s only a matter of how quickly total destruction arrives it being clear that the point of no return is well in the past.
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