Governments pushing meat-free diets for weather control might want to follow the other science…
A 20 year study of 26,000 women showed that people who ate vegetarian diets were 33% more likely to break their hips. This is no small point because hip fractures are a surprisingly bad thing. Short term mortality risk increases by 2 to 8 fold. (Not just a 20% increase but a 200% increase or worse). Hip fracture victims are more likely to go back to hospital, and not for their hips but mostly for other things like infections and heart conditions. Sadly as much as 17% of their remaining post fracture life may be spent in a nursing facility. (see Lo et al 2022)
Vegetarian women are at a higher risk of hip fracture
Webster et al, University of Leeds
Among 26,318 women, 822 hip fracture cases were observed over roughly 20 years—that represented just over 3% of the sample population. After adjustment for factors such as smoking and age, vegetarians were the only diet group with an elevated risk of hip fracture.
Researchers can only guess why and suggest vaguely that it might be a lack of protein, calcium, and other micronutrients.
I suspect vegetarians are missing out on Vitamin K2 which is important for getting calcium into bones and comes from things like liver, eggs, meat, hard cheese, brie, and butter. It also comes from Natto (fermented soy) but not many people eat that outside Japan. But it could be many things, like deficiencies in zinc, iodine, choline, and B12, or just an imbalance of amino acids that make up bones (like glycine). The fracture itself might not raise mortality, but the same deficiencies that weaken bones or reduce balance might also weaken hearts.
It’s worth knowing that despite the press hype, vegetarians have about the same mortality rate as meat eaters, they just die of slightly different things.
Despite vegetarian diets “gaining popularity” lately, they are still only 5 to 7% of the population:
Vegetarian diets have gained popularity in recent years, with a 2021 YouGov survey putting the size of the UK vegetarian population at roughly 5-7%. It is often perceived as a healthier dietary option, with previous evidence that shows a vegetarian diet can reduce the risks of several chronic diseases, including diabetes, heart disease, and cancer compared to omnivorous diets.
Get ready for the advertising:
There is also a worldwide call for reducing the consumption of animal products in an effort to tackle climate change.
So nine out of ten people say they “believe in climate change” but only half of one of them will give up meat?
Dietary information was collected using a food frequency questionnaire and was validated using a 4-day food diary in a subsample of women.
At the time they were recruited into the cohort study, the women ranged in age from 35 to 69 years.
Given the severity of hip fractures, bureaucrats might want to think twice about national policies which are essentially waving steaks at storms.
REFERENCES
Webster et al (2022) Risk of hip fracture in meat-eaters, pescatarians, and vegetarians: results from the UK Women’s Cohort Study, BMC Medicine (2022). DOI: 10.1186/s12916-022-02468-0
Lo et al (2022) Trends in Mortality Following Hip Fracture in Older Women, The American Journal of Managed Care, March 2015, Volume 21, Issue 3
Photo: Hellerhof
The cattle guys near me (in an area of the US in which many cattle are raised) are shrinking their herds, selling off far more of their stock than they normally would, in anticipation of much higher feed costs.
So, you may not follow veganism, but it’s following you. Watch beef prices over the next 12 months. They’re going to be painful.
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There is always “game” meat.
Killing and butchering your own food is a good way to get REALLY up-close and personal with nature. Trimming and bagging your quarry provides plenty of time for contemplating life and death.
Look up stuff about the “Men (and women) who just want to be left alone”.
Beheading the chicken preparatory to dressing (undressing??) and roasting is a rite of passage as much as clearing the mouse and rat traps.
Do carrots really scream when hauled out of the ground?
And Vegans “smell funny” as well.
Admittedly a diet heavily skewed towards meat can have “issues”, but iron deficiency is not one of them. Check out traditional Inuit diets, for starters. ALL of this Veggie push is part of a greater “political science” programme; the loonies are quite open about it.
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It is rare to see a healthy looking vegan.
Here is a comparison photo of meat-eating celebrity TV cook and food writer Nigella Lawson vs a famous vegan health guru.
https://www.pinterest.com.au/pin/831406781182957921/
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Og2HP56MRbI
Is Vegan Neck dangerous
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And what about the statistics for Vegetarian Men. Have any studies been done?
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Are there any?
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Women are more prone to osteoporosis which makes a low calcium diet a pretty stupid idea. Having a fall and breaking your hip was nearly always fatal in the UK during Covid as the hospital would infect you and kill you.
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And old people were at high risk of fatality from catching Midazolam in care homes.
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Video:
“Eating less Meat won’t save the Planet. Here’s Why”
https://youtu.be/sGG-A80Tl5g
It makes some climate-related comments that you will likely disagree with, as did I, but overall it demonstrates that meat eating is not destroying the planet.
https://youtu.be/sGG-A80Tl5g
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More on that at
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/08/11/why-red-meat-negative-health-claims-are-false/
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In comments there
“A Gates scientist says that Fruit Loops are healthier than steak and eggs.
It could be a case of you are what you eat.”
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One of the worst public health recommendations ever was the revised dietary guidelines released by the USDA in the US in 1980 and adopted throughout the West which de-emphasised the consumption of meat and animal fats and promoted the consumption of carbohydrates and processed unsaturated seed oils high in omega-6 fats. It was neutral on the question of sugar.
This has seen a massive increase in obesity, diabetes and other poor health outcomes.
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Keeping it in the family
“How Ancel Keys Brainwashed the Masses Into Fearing Meat (He’s Wrong)”
https://carnivoreaurelius.com/ancel-keys/
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Our dentition is nothing like that of the herbivores.
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There must be enough nutrition in grass because the herbivores are healthy but our gut is too small to extract it all. We would need the gut of a gorilla to do so. 🙂
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Hanrahan… it’s not just that our guts are too small, they are not even the right type.
We have neither the fore-gut (and four stomachs) of ruminant herbivores, or the massive caecum of hind-gut fermenters. Herbivores do not digest plant-matter directly, they ferment it and then absorb the fatty acids produced by their gut flora. Our digestive systems are very different. Our stomachs are amongst the most acid of all mammals, typical of meat and carrion eaters, and our gut ratios are typical of obligate carnivores.
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In the US, the health industry generates more greenhouse gases than the agricultural industry.
Recommending a diet that leads to poor health is one of the worst things that we can do, if we believe the global warming hype.
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The Left have nearly completed their war against access to energy for non-Elites.
Many of our freedoms and rights to bodily integrity were stripped away by covid laws which were never rescinded.
Now the Left are opening up the next front in the war, and that’s against the food supply of non-Elites.
Take away the access to energy, the right to protest and the access to food and you have total control of the population, just as envisaged by the National Socialists and International Socialists.
Here is an essay on food under a totalitarian regime as portrayed in Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty Four and also in places like Cuba and the USSR.
This is what is planned for us.
https://www.myrecipes.com/extracrispy/what-1984-tells-us-about-eating-under-a-totalitarian-regime
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Tragically, many people are being forced into vegetarianism and veganism by the high price of meat, much of that high price being bought about by recent short term weather issues in Australia, the covid lockups and no doubt excessive government regulation of the meat industry (e.g. unreasonable land and water use restrictions).
Also, some ignorant people turn to vegetarianism or veganism because they believe Leftist anti-meat propaganda and think they are “saving the planet” or their health.
I only know of one conservative who is a vegetarian. It seems very much a phenomenon of the green Left or those who can’t afford meat.
Also, there is a huge demand for Australian meat overseas. Meat will become like Australian coal and gas. Too regulated and too expensive to use at home but freely and cheaply available to people who use it overseas like the Chicomms.
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David, much of what you have written, once you strip away the snideness and righty jargon is correct, but only correct for the west. There are huge numbers – probably the global majority, of vegetarians by choice who are not in the west. i wonder how their hips are? I suspect perfectly fine because a) they eat better and b) they exercise more. Having not read the study, I wonder how this was accounted for? A bad diet and no exercise would apply to vegans and meat eaters alike and my suspicion is that the vegans are not very good at being vegans.
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You’d be wrong, but that is what happens when you don’t read independent studies which don’t conform to vegan ideologies.
By far the majority of vegetarians, worldwide, are not so by free choice. They are either constrained by lack of access to animal foods, or by religion. There exist studies in which randomly-selected village children in Africa were given protein and fat supplements in the form of just one egg per day, and the supplemented cohort grew faster, were more healthy and performed better at school.
Then there is the well-researched issue of vegan brain-shrinkage…
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In 2010 the Times of India reported that hip fractures have increased 3-fold in the last 30 years, I would suggest because of better reporting. They anticipate that half the world’s hip fractures will occur in India by 2050.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Fracture-alert-India-faces-bone-ultimatum/articleshow/6018314.cms
I grew up in India on a largely vegetarian diet, but we had 3l milk/day for a family of 8 and eggs once or twice a week. Because yu need a balanced protein, you need 1:3 pulse:grain. It is by definition a high carbohydrate diet and diabetes is very high in India, even in those with normal weight.
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Does anyone seriously think that those behind the war against meat will stop eating Beluga caviar or eyefillet steaks on their private jets flying to and from climate conferences and beyond?
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In figure 2 of the linked article (below) you can see the increase in obesity and its correlation with the low animal fat, less protein guidelines from 1980 and increased wheat and sugar consumption since that time.
Incidentally, in accord with the law of unintended consequences, sugar consumption went up after 1980 because it was needed as a substitute for animal fats in food to give it a decent taste since animal fat was now restricted.
https://www.crossfit.com/essentials/diabetes-part-3-insulin-the-obesogenic-hormone
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I think some vegans and vegetarians are misled by the appalling practice of calling suspensions of substances like rice and almond powder “milk”.
I know of some extreme vegans whose baby died from malnutrition because they fed it rice milk rather than human or animal milk. Yes, this happened in Australia.
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Bear in mind that while there is the argument that we should reduce meat consumption over climate change concerns, veganism is nothing to do with that. Ethical veganism is a simple enough idea – it’s the idea that when we can we extend everyday moral concern to other species. That’s it. Diet flows from that which is why “vegans” don’t eat foods derived from animals. Whether that diet is related to this apparent increased fracture risk we don’t know according to Jo’s article. Even if it were, it wouldn’t lead to rejecting veganism as an idea.
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Graeme M,
veganism is simply another part of the World Economic Forum’s ambition to rule the World. Climate change by reducing CO2 and N2 is an attack on the economic prosperity bought about by having a reliable, cheap means of power. Veganism is part of controlling the supply of food to those who obey the WEF rules – eat insects and be happy. Covid 19 and the jab are part of the WEF aim for an ideal population of 1 billion people only with the added benefit from the jab of changing the human DNA to make us less fertile and more amenable to control by their authoritarian rules, already in place in Victoria.
The WEF working together with the UN and the Chinese Communist Party are the greatest threat that humanity has ever faced.
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Graeme…
The problem with that ideology is that it is based on a falsehood.
Firstly, farm animals are – on average – in better condition, live longer and suffer less than wild animals. It is not Disneyland out there. Meanwhile, healthy, well-fed, low-stressed animals grow faster, produce more and taste better. Farmers have every incentive to reduce suffering.
Secondly, the biodiversity in grazed country is far greater than that under industrial monoculture systems.
Thirdly, everything that a vegan eats, is also eaten by animals. In order to avoid this, and to provide you with the fheap, reliable food that you take for granted, it is necessary to destroy the natural environment and kill or exclude animals. Habitat destruction is one of the greatest drivers of extinction, and you are paying others to do your dirty work.
Out of sight = out of mind, eh?
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How many animals are killed by harvesting wheat? Vegans are blind to what it actually cost in animals and birds lives that are killed in production of their food.
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Vegetarianism gets converts because when they finally eat their veggies, they feel better.
It wasn’t getting off the meat that did it.
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Almost everyone feels better when they stop eating the hyper-processed franken-foods that dominate the shelves in most supermarkets…. but over 80% of those who try vegetarianism voluntarily, find that they cannot maintain it. (… and a surprising number of high-profile vegetarians have been caught or confess to eating animal products.)
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All of these delusional ideas are supposed to be about saving the climate or planet, but none of them add up to a row of beans.
Fracturing your hip is a terrible outcome for women or men, but we now also know that the USA wasting 400 billion $ will make no measurable difference to temp by 2100 at all.
Thanks to the WSJ and Lomborg for the data calculations but the barking mad true CULT BELIEVERS will never WAKE UP. I mean who cares about DATA and EVIDENCE anyway? sarc.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/08/11/wsj-and-lomborg-show-just-how-useless-the-inflation-reduction-act-is-at-tackling-climate/
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I know a number of people who are vegetarien and they all seem to suffer from some ill health or some chronic condition or other. Not sure which came first the vegetarianism or the illness . .
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I know a number of people who are vegetarien and they all seem to suffer from ill health or some chronic conditions or other. Not sure what came first, the vegetarianism or the ill health . .
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I have been an involuntary vegetarian at times when I was in the Himalayas because either meat was unavailable, or I didn’t trust the cooking or the identity of the meat or its origin.
On a vegetarian diet you need a lot of food because, just like wind and solar energy, it lacks energy density. And I found it didn’t provide a lot of energy.
You only need a small amount of meat to be equivalent to a large amount of vegetable matter. And a vegetarian diet is not satiating. You are still hungry after or soon after a meal.
And in the Himalayas, they do know how to make vegetarian meals because most people are Hindu and vegetarian.
I did have some yak burgers at a place I trusted. They were nice.
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From experience it is hard to drive a manual soil auger after you’ve been fed a lunch of lettuce
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Very interesting article Jo.
The writers state that their study confirmed lower dietary intake of Vit D, B12 and protein in the vegetarian group.
They also postulate the role of insulin-like growth factor 1, with a link to data supporting this.
I am always cautious in research involving diet diaries as accuracy is frequently low, though the effect size is large in this study, and methodology appears sound.
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Does the paper distinguish between vegan and vegetarian diets? Vegan diets *usually* promote supplementation of things like B12 and also talk to the best sources for micro-nutrients, whereas I am not sure the same degree of interest is expressed in regard to vegetarian diets. Unfortunately today many people are being encouraged to adopt a plant-based diet on the grounds of supposed health and environmental benefits and those people may not be aware of the need to ensure adequate nutrition. As to the possible causes of increased hip fracture rates in vegetarians, did they observe low calcium intake or is it primarily Vit D, B12 and protein? A few years ago some researchers in the US proposed possible co-evolution of a relaxed calcium homeostasis mechanism in lactase persistent populations as a potential factor in a greater risk of osteoporosis and bone fractures in those groups. Their hypothesis made sense, but I’m hardly able to evaluate such things. Interesting though.
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There were very small numbers of vegans, as opposed to vegetarians, so no statistically significant findings between the 2 groups.
Also, they report no difference in Ca between the vegetarians and meat eaters, as opposed to the other vitamins/ protein.
They also were unable to control for alcohol intake or medications that may affect fracture risk.
They found no difference between meat eaters and pescatarians in hip fracture risk.
In summary, the study skimmed the surface in terms of all risk factors known to increase fracture risk, though did present very impressive raw data.
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Thanks for taking the time to look at the study and confounders.
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And thanks for highlighting the study Jo.
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Doc T.
Did the study include age-related muscle-wasting as a factor?
I would expect that to both reduce bone density through reduced skeletal stress, and lead to an increased probability of falls.
Speculation on my part, but it seems reasonable.
Meat and fish have a lot more in common, nutritionally, than either has with veganism. The vegetarian issue being complicated by the number of vegetarians eating eggs and dairy.
Cheers…
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This study didn’t look at age-related muscle wasting (sarcopenia) as a cause but previous studies have suggested this is significant, possibly by reduction in pelvic stability and coordination.
Additionally higher body fat has been suggested as protective, possibly due to increased bone loading.
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I was interested in how high that elevated risk was for vegetarians – the summary of the paper indicates its a 33% higher chance, which should indicate significance. It was adjusted for some factors, but all these studies can have conflicting influences. Was it possible the vegetarian group were more active and then more likely to have injuries? The figure for % vegetarians seems about right, It’s been about the same for decades, with vegans even less.
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Rosco, and it’s quite possible that most vegetarians are at no increased risk. It could be one subset of vegetarians that — for whatever reason — are not getting their nutrient intake right, and they are at risk of a whole lot of bad outcomes. Some genetic combinations more vulnerable.
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For me, nutrition is probably the least credible ‘science’ we are exposed to. In my 66 years on this planet, I have been variously advised by ‘experts’ to eat meat, stop eating meat, avoid eggs, eat more eggs, reduce my fat intake, increase my fat intake, take saturated fats off the menu, put them back on again, avoid carbs, avoid salt, avoid salmon and tuna … etc.
Usually, this week’s advice is based, not on new knowledge or research, but the looming publication of some health guru’s new book or diet.
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2 good reasons for this:
1/ Diet history for research purposes is open to a plethora of biases and is notoriously unreliable. It tends to rely on food diaries, and individuals are generally pretty poor at keeping them accurately.
2/ The role of food production companies in biasing research (on par with Big Pharma and drug research) has for decades been a major factor in what we are told. The co-opting of researchers in censoring dissidents is legendary.
Medical groups such as the AMA and medical colleges have always blindly followed the zeitgeist.
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The plan for removing meat and dairy from our diets is very unclear -IMO. Around 30% of all cows are in India, more and although Hindus don’t eat meat because cows are a sacred animal, they drink milk. Non-Hindus in India do eat meat as well as consume dairy. If the green movement wants to remove meat and dairy from our diets then India would need to be their major global focus, being by far the biggest producer. However, I’ve never heard anyone in the green movement discuss the religious, cultural or dietary impacts of imposing this policy on the people of India. If India is not included in the plan then there would be no point in imposing the plan on smaller producers such as ourselves.
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Thanks for that which I haven’t heard before. Will spread it.
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Are you sure your statistic is valid? It might be that 30% of cows are in India, but what proportion of total cattle and sheep exist in other nations? The problems with animal farming stem from scale and negative impacts from that. For example, monogastrics are fed protein crop feed, requiring as much as 550 million hectares of monoculture crops grown worldwide. A major focus is South America where demand for soy for animal feed drives expansion of clearing for cattle grazing, though I think the Soy Moratorium has helped with this. The point though is that it is animal farming driving a large part of forest clearing in South America. Also, the majority of grains grown in the US are producing animal feed, so again we have the problem of animal farming driving monoculture cropping.
At the end of the day, the green movement can only encourage people to change their diets and where cultural factors dominate such encouragement may be less effective.
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“India’s cattle inventory amounted to over 305 million in 2021. While the global cattle population stood at over 996 million, India had the highest cattle population followed by Brazil, China and the United States that year.”
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1181408/india-cattle-population/
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Graeme…
More vegan mythology?
Soy is the largest oilseed from in the world. That is what the vast majority of soy is grown for, and the oil is the most valuable fraction. The byproduct of soy, canola and cottonseed after the extraction of the oil is high in crude protein, which is why it is fed to animals, but it is not the primary reason why soy, canola and cotton are grown.
As a farmer, let me explain something to you. I get more money for human-quality crops, than stock-feed crops. A grow feed crops at times because rotations are essential and a high level of wastage is unavoidable if we do not feed lower-quality produce and by-products to livestock.
If I sound a little terse, at times, it’s because I get tired of people telling me that I don’t know my own business, my own industry and what pays my bills.
The blunt fact of the matter is that not only are the majority of livestock kept in developing countries, but that the production per-animal is significantly lower. Whether we are talking greenhouse, production per ha or production per unit of inputs, the industry in modern agricultural nations is more efficient and less detrimental to the environment.
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Looks like that Indian total might be all bovines
“Total Bovine population (Cattle, Buffalo, Mithun and Yak) is 302.79 Million in 2019 which shows an increase of 1.0% over the previous census”
“https://vikaspedia.in/agriculture/agri-directory/reports-and-policy-briefs/20th-livestock-census
And IIRC cattle on rough tucker have a higher methane output
e.g. https://beef.unl.edu/reduce-methane-production-cattle
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One factor is that most cows and bullocks live out their natural lifespan. When I was growing up, cattle that got too decrepit were transported across the river to the jungle where they became easy food for tigers – or they just ambled around until the water holes dried up in summer. A dairy cow was well beyond the stage where she would be dog food here.
So, the number of cattle = number born times how long they live. Never seen Indian stats accounting for that.
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I thought we were supposed to eat bugs to supplement the veggies.
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Appropriate use is for the veggies to supplement the bugs –
Millions of locusts can’t be wrong
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Diet, Calcium, vitamins, bone mineral density, body mass, weight training etc do not explain more than around 20% of the degradation and the reality is that no-one knows the big picture as there simply isn’t the research.
However the brain may hold the key.
Scientists have genetically engineered female mice to develop super strong, dense bones by altering neurons in the rodents’ brains. The development could be the first step towards a new treatment for the brittle bone disease osteoporosis in women.
Osteoporosis is a disease that causes bones to lose mass and become structurally weaker, making it more likely that they will fracture. The disease affects over 200 million people worldwide, and is particularly common in women who are past the age of menopause.
A team of scientists working with laboratory mice may have identified a link between bone density and a small number of neurons located in the rodent’s brains.
The initial discovery took place when Dr. Stephanie Correa – co-author of the paper detailing the development, and assistant professor of integrative biology and phycology at the University of California at Los Angeles (UCLA) – genetically deleted estrogen receptor proteins in neurons located in the hypothalamus region of the brains of mice. Following the manipulation, the test subjects went on to gain a small but significant amount of weight.
Subsequent observations revealed that the weight gained by the mice was not the result of excess muscle or fat, but instead a massive increase in the rodents’ bone density and size. Some of the mice put on up to 800 percent of the bone mass of a non-engineered rodent.
“I was immediately struck by the size of the effect,” Dr. Correa said. “We knew right away it was a game-changer and presented a new, exciting direction with potential applications for improving women’s health.”
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-018-08046-4
A restricted diet such as vegetarian may well impact on microbiome spectrums.
Older people don’t cook as much as they should or eat as much as they should.
Maybe, as per previous posts, gut and brain microbiomes are the key to health in older age…
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The number 1 predictor of institutionalization of the elderly is weight loss. Many years ago a nutritionist friend did a pilot study of nutritional supplementation and tried to get funding for a full study. No dice. She switched to working in native populations and got lots of funding.
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If the war against meat was genuinely to save the climate/planet, surely the climate cabal would be happy for us to harvest many of the pest species running amok globally and doing enormous damage to biodiversity.
In the UK we have a massively out of control deer population – with the associated tic problem, wild bore in some areas, in Australia you have pigs, roo, camels. That doesn’t even scratch the surface. There must surely be a near inexhaustible (sustainable – ughhh) supply?
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Not to mention that veggies and vegans are more likely to suffer from anxiety and depression.
https://joannenova.com.au/2022/08/climate-control-speed-bump-vegetarian-women-were-33-more-likely-to-suffer-hip-fractures/
We’re both Carnivores. Apart from stopping my wife’s bone cancer – given 6 to 9 months to live last December, we both feel great on this diet. Animal produce only, cooked only in animal fats.
I’m 6’6″ and had been 14 stones for decades. Pretty good shape for a 70 year old. Within 6 weeks of going carnivore, I shed 20 lbs, all visceral fat (think “fatty” liver). Leg muscles now like a cyclist or cross-country runner. This “diet” (i.e what we all ate some 1000s years ago, until agriculture) also allows us to buy almost all local food, with minimal air miles. Happily we have many farms with grass-fed livestock, so get the best meat in the world. The only food I regularly buy at the supermarket is butter (have a thing for French President butter), coffee, tea and goat milk.
Breakfast most days – 2 slices of fresh blood made Black Pudding, with huge chunks of pig fat in from a local farm – we know the farmer well – and 5 local eggs scrambled, cooked in and then covered in slabs of butter.
Feel like 50 year old 🙂
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Link should have been
https://www.startpage.com/do/search?q=VEGETARIANS+VEGANS+ANXIETY+DEPRESSION&segment=startpage.brave
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MrGrimNasty
August 12, 2022 at 5:52 pm · Reply
If the war against meat was genuinely to save the climate/planet, surely the climate cabal would be happy for us to harvest many of the pest species running amok globally and doing enormous damage to biodiversity.
In the UK we have a massively out of control deer population – with the associated tic problem, wild bore in some areas, in Australia you have pigs, roo, camels. That doesn’t even scratch the surface. There must surely be a near inexhaustible (sustainable – ughhh) supply?
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Yeah – we get wild deer from the farm I mention above. Somerset overrun with deer. We used to have a licensed culler live down the road from us, from whom we bought freshly butchered venison at ridiculous prices. Sadly, he moved, but our friends here always have venison
Venison Loin Fillet is to die for – especially cooked very rare…
https://www.kimbersfarmshop.co.uk/game/
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Aren’t governments pushing the food-free diet for the masses?
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Like the story of the tight Scotsman’s horse breeding program?
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Vitamin K2 supplements (2000 mcg/day = 2 mg/day), Copper 2 mg/day, Magnesium 300 mg/day, and Vitamin D (6000 IU/day); cured pencil neck, cured bunions/bunionetts, cured ugly varicose veins in legs, and cured stiff/cracking joints in about 3 months. The US Vit K2 RDA for adult males is 130 mcg/day which is ridiculously too low. Based on studies, Vit K2 supplements of 130 mcg/day required more than three years before there was any measurable change in the body.
Pencil neck is cause by calcium build-up in the body. The calcium build-up in the small blood vessels and in the tendons causes a failure of the always on (when we are awake) muscles and tendons. This causes a permanent complex cramp like condition in different parts of the body which cause pain, sensitivity to cold, loss of body flexibility and balance. The lipoprotein molecules that our cells produce to move calcium to cells that need calcium and to remove calcium from blood vessels, requires Vitamin K2 to connect to the calcium. We are all severely Vit K2 deficient.
Vitamin K2 is produced by certain bacteria and is hence not found in plants. Vitamin K2 is produced by some grass-fed animals. In the US, cows are fattened with corn and grains, before slaughter, not grass. Vitamin K2 is concentrated in the lungs and liver of the animal which will no longer eat.
Experiments with Rats using Vitamin K2 MK-4 which has a half-life of eight hours determined Vit K2 saturation for humans would require roughly 5 mg/day of Vit K2, if the supplement source was MK-4. Most Vit K2 supplements are MK-7 however, from Natto bean fermentation. MK-7 has a half-life of 24 hours so a daily dosage of 2 mg MK-7 produces an in blood Vit K2 level that is adequate to reach saturation. There is no known toxicity of Vit K2.
https://kansasfootcenter.com/bunions-arthritis-related/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26770129/
Proper Calcium Use: Vitamin K2 as a Promoter of Bone and Cardiovascular Health
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1078588402918435
Pathogenesis of varicose veins
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William, as you say, K2 is made from Natto and Natto is made from soy beans, thus K2 does have vegetable origin.
Thanks for the good material on vitamin K2 which is receiving much attention on the net.
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