“It’s difficult to imagine it could be accidental”
The leaks are massive
Indeed “leak” does not seem like the right word.
The explosions are marked with stars.
The sites are 75 kilometers apart just outside official Danish territory.
Euronews –– Swedish national broadcaster SVT reported that national seismologists had registered “two clear explosions” around the area, first at 2:03 AM and then at 7:04 PM (CET) on Monday.
Hours after the explosions, coincidentally, Gazprom also warned that one of the two remaining major pipelines to Europe was at risk due to a legal dispute over fees. Gazprom was refusing to pay a transit fee that the Ukrainian energy firm said it was supposed to pay.
At this stage everyone is saying the leaks are sabotage, but no one is claiming to know anything for sure. The US government has said it is ‘ready to provide support’ to Europe.
So, below, this is quite an awkward flashback, to say the least. It’s from February when Joe Biden was trying to talk Russia out of invading Ukraine:
Biden: “If Russia invades…then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2. We will bring an end to it.”
Reporter:— “But how will you do that, exactly, since… The project is in Germany’s control?”
Biden: — “I promise you, we will be able to do that.” “
Russia meanwhile announced a week ago that it is building a gas pipe to China instead to deliver 50 billion m3.
Energy security = national security.
Notably, no one is sabotaging any wind farms.
Nord stream 2 just needed a few bits of testing and documentation taking a few days and then would have been turned on making Europe even more reliant on Russian gas. That Russia was so eager to invade that it couldn’t wait a little while longer seems a strategic mistake by Putin as he would have had his foot very tightly on the European throat. Instead Europe has mostly managed to get 3 months of gas storage ready in time for winter although the price has been high.
So, why didn’t Putin wait just a bit longer before invading?
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Because the testing and documentation was just an excuse. USA didnt want Germany to start NS2 so Germany did what they were told and stalled.
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This report believes there could be widespread chaos in Europe as blackouts are inevitable. Worryingly, the article predates the sabotage on the pipeline.
https://notrickszone.com/2022/09/27/grid-experts-dire-warning-power-supply-of-all-europe-at-risk-30-of-computers-could-be-destroyed/
It seems electric fires have been bought in the millions although what the Germans think will power the fires if electricty is cut is anyones guess.
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Winter was coming so timing (sufficient time) was important to get the job done. Unfortunately the Ukies (with a little help) have fought back and ruined the Putin strategy.
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If there’s no pipelines (NS1 and NS2) there’s no reason for the Germans to pull the plug on Ukraine. Somebody has just made sure the Germans don’t get weak-knees and push the other vacillating Europeans to sell Ukraine down the chute.
You can never trust the Germans to act in the interest of freedom and democracy. Green socialists all the way down.
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I’ll bet the price of our North American gas just went up.
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TTF Dutch Gas just jumped 10% after 3pm.
https://www.theice.com/products/27996665/Dutch-TTF-Gas-Futures/data?marketId=5429405
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The Dutch have decided to cut production from the Groningen gas field:
Production at Groningen, once one of Europe’s major suppliers of natural gas, will be capped at 2.8 billion cubic metres (bcm) in the year starting Oct. 1, the government said, down from 4.5 bcm in the current year.
https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/dutch-limit-groningen-gas-production-28-bcm-20222023-2022-09-26/
At the same time the Netherlands’ ONE-Dyas and partners have made a final investment decision for the development of the North Sea gas field N05-A. Might need to get a wriggle on though.
https://onedyas.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/20220927-Press-release-Investment-Decision-gas-field-N05-A.pdf
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I think this is the best site for oil & gas prices …. articles are often really bad though.
https://oilprice.com/
US gas down 20 cents
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I believe there is a new pipeline from Norway to Poland about ready to start supplying.
If so, That will ease the pressure on the situation.
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https://www.euronews.com/2022/09/27/baltic-pipe-norway-poland-gas-pipeline-opens-in-key-move-to-cut-dependency-on-russia
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A case perhaps of Poland or others “burning bridges” between Germany and Russia to strengthen Germany’s resolve to maintain sanctions against Russia?
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Most likely the “others”.
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Chad, the Baltic pipeline is not a new pipeline per-se, it is a branch from the existing Europipe 2 running from Kårsto in Norway to Dornholm in Germany, so it doesn’t ease anything (for Germany), it simply diverts some of the Norwegian gas from Germany to Poland instead. Even with additional pipeline capacity, Norwegian gas production isn’t up to the task of replacing Russian gas supply, not by a country mile. Nor for that matter is LNG from North America or elsewhere.
The US has in this instance, not only prevented Germany from reassessing its part in the UKrainian proxy war in its own best interests, that would be to cease aiding and abetting the clowns in Kiev and renegotiating long term Russian gas deliveries via Nordsteam 2 – which bypasses political interference from Kiev and Warsaw, but the US has also just ensured that the deindustrialisation of Germany is now beyond doubt.
The Greentards in power in Germany will be well pleased. For a little while.
The ‘shitting in your own nest’ aspect of this move on the part of DC’s most dangerous administration ever, is that unemployed Germans won’t be in a position to import anything that will soon be ‘made in the USA’ instead of being made in Germany and since right now Germany pays most of the bills and subsidies in the EUssr, it won’t take very long before most of the rest of the peninsula are sitting shivering in the same boat. Cue the great reset, for what ever it’s worth to the Davos ski club to ‘rule’ the ruins of the Peninsula and it’s denizens.
I don’t see there being much clamour from Asia or Africa (which are the two places where any serious growth could be expected in the near to medium term) to welcome those ‘made in the USA’ goods anytime soon either.
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Oh dear, oh dear, are these the culprits?
https://seapowermagazine.org/baltops-22-a-perfect-opportunity-for-research-and-resting-new-technology/
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I posted this on The Australian and it was rejected.
There are 3 possible causes. The first is accident but 3 “accidents” simultaneously seems unlikely.
The second is sabotage by the Russians, but why would they destroy the pipelines they expect to have in use shortly?
The third is that someone was determined to force Europe to keep the war going in the Ukraine and more importantly keep getting (Russian) gas through the old pipelines there that Russia was talking of shutting down after Nordstream 2 started going. The Ukraine gets lots of money from Russia for ‘transit fees’.
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” “This year we have seen the near- and long-term future in mine hunting UUV technology and we are excited to see how quickly the technology and capabilities are improving.” ”
…because we need them urgently to look for nuclear mines just off the coast of the USA…
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As soon as a gas pipeline leak is detected it is normal procedure to cut off the flow of gas.
Why is the gas still flowing?
And why aren’t the Leftoids complaining about this massive leak of methane, a supposed greenhouse gas? (In fairness, they probably don’t know the composition of natural gas and no one has told then what to think yet.)
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There is likely a considerable volume of gas at high pressure between the two nearest shutoff valve stations. Depending on whether pocketing occurs, sea water can fill a pipeline, expelling its contents.
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NS2 was pressurised as part of the tasting prior to commissioning. NS1 was closed due to a technical issue in a turbine. You keep the lines pressurised because if you don’t they will develop leaks at a later date
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So now that both lines are presumably depressurised, at least between shut off valves, does that mean they may develop leaks if they are ever reopened?
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The last pipeline I designed was submerged under just a few metres of wet soil, sufficient to induce a hydrostatic pressure on the outside of half a bar. Being under water, the hydrostatic pressure from the water depth can be a real concern to a pipeline. BUT only IF the pipeline is at atmospheric pressure AND full of a compressible gas when it is sunk, (or later at depth). Think of a submarine approaching critical depth, not a good outcome. Pipelines are very good with internal pressure since it causes tension stresses in the thin walls of the pipe, external pressures cause compressive stresses in the wall of the pipe, compressive stresses lead to buckling, (can you remember standing on an empty aluminium can, and having someone lightly buckle the side wall).
HOWEVER… the pipeline is NOT at risk from external forces if the pressure on the inside matches the outside due to it being full of water, or lower pressure gas. In this instance, the pipeline would have been at 300 Bar internal pressure in an environment of maybe 20 Bar external, (200m depth). When the gas leaks out, the pressure internally falls to 20 Bar to match the water, even if all or only some of the gas escapes. If it were to try and fall lower, the water would rush in maintain the pressure.
So what is the risk of leaks. The obvious one is cycling of the pressure from 300 Bar down to 20 and eventually, post repair back up to 300 Bar. Not a big issue but you only get a limited number of stress cycles before you need to start looking for stress fatigue, especially at welds. And secondly, the inside of the pipe is now full of salt water, potentially causing corrosion. This is a bigger issue and will need to be for a limited time and well cleaned afterwards. And that is why the gas may be still coming out, it is better to try and maintain a pressure greater than the water pressure to keep forcing the gas out, instead of letting the water in.
One thing for sure, it will be expensive to fix and likely to take some time. If I relied on the gas supply I would be getting very nervous right about now.
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I assume that you would try to maintain the pressure with air rather than natural gas?
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Did you know that the slave operated valves in a gas plant are not operated with compressed air but are actually operated with fuel gas? Why, because it is there and because it does not require another electrical motor, (think ignition source), in the vicinity.
For the same reasons, guess what is readily available to inflate the pipe and guess what doesn’t need any pumping or compressing. Besides, locally compressed air, say to 10 bar, is going to get mighty warm. Even a diesel engine will ignite at those temperatures.
And who in their right mind would pump hot air at several hundred degrees into a fuel filled pipe.
Does that answer your question?
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Not simultaneously. There must be a procedure and gate valves to handle a rupture. It cannot be just to pump more gas down the line.
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TdeF,
If you want to use air, then first you must pump the pipeline full of an inert gas to remove all flammable material. If it was PURE gas, then one rinse through with nitrogen would work, unfortunately, any natural gas supply also comes with its share of liquid content, such as cold butane and higher order condensates. I would not place air into the pipe unless the system was full of water from front to back beforehand.
Think of the hazards of cutting into an old LPG tank. Would you be happy if the gas was just let out, or would you want it filled with nitrogen, or would you want it purged with water, then drained under gravity and left to dry with as many openings free to exchange gases as possible.
With a busted gas main, the options are really limited. It’s usually gas or nitrogen.
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A ratio of 15:1 works excitingly well I recall…
(sarc)
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That would be correct IF you are working with both gases at the same temperature and pressure….. Care to work out the ratio for cold gas and hot air?
By the way, if they pump hot air into the pipe, can I watch?
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My strange sense of humor wonders why there would be demand since hot air is already easy to come by when you get near a bigger city like say Washington DC
although the notion is exciting! and I suggest observing from a safe distance.
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Based on Eng-Ian’s description, the safest procedure would be to remove all gas and air, so I suggest not to inject hot air, instead put Kamala Harris in there and let her speak. It’ll be utterly empty in a couple sentences.
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No, they are kept pressurised to keep air out and gas in.
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‘Why is the gas still flowing?’
It will take a week for the gas in that section to drain out.
‘Operator Nord Stream said the damage was “unprecedented”. (ABC)
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Here you go DM your leftoids aren’t conforming to your view that they have suddenly become sophisticated and for some reason want to sabotage a gas pipeline or maybe they did it and are also complaining about GHGs…
https://www.reuters.com/business/environment/nord-stream-gas-leaks-raise-climate-fears-impact-hard-quantify-2022-09-27/
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“That amount of methane … over a 100-year timeframe… roughly on par with the amount of CO2 emitted in an entire year by mid-sized cities such as Havana, or Helsinki or Dayton,Ohio.”
OK, Dayton has 135000 population, we add that to the Earth in less than a day, so its just not worth talking about!
Who did it however, is far more important and interesting.
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The threat Russia poses to communication, power interconnector, and windfarm to shore cables is no secret – they have been carrying out the reconnaissance and practice runs for years. Cheap and easy to cause massive disruption with little chance of being caught.
So whilst they are not currently sabotaging windmills – why give us a reason to divert from a ruinous energy policy until it is too late – it’s only a matter of time.
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Windmills already have built in grid stability sabotage functions. You do more damage by leaving them alone to do their work
Like how none of Americas enemies would think of assassinating Biden.
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I agree yarpos.
An enemy doesn’t have to sabotage windmills.
The windmills themselves are the sabotage.
The sabotage job is already done by the enemies of the West, both internal and external.
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Yes, obviously, for the present, as I intimated.
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Victoria Nuland delivering the same message:
https://rumble.com/v1lqg6v-victoria-nuland-on-1.27.22-nord-stream-2-will-not-move-forward.html
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I hope that a Western nation did not carry out an attack to do this.
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Conspiracy-theories aside, it is rather doubtful.
There is a LOT of history behind the argument that government security isn’t very secure, and most Western countries are very well aware that even moderately-plausible suspicion would drive Europe towards alliance with Russia instead of away from it.
It is more probable – but still only speculative – that Russia believed that they could benefit by cutting supply AND benefit from acting innocent while sowing distrust between the western allies.
…… and some here are falling for it.
Particularly those Americans who are so parochial that they imagine that all evil comes out of WashingtonDC.
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“It is more probable – but still only speculative – that Russia believed that they could benefit by cutting supply AND benefit from acting innocent while sowing distrust between the western allies.”
Lol- Not a chance.. They don’t need to do that, they just turn the tap off. No, someone wanted the pipes to never be used again, just in case Germany has such social disrupting this winter they cave in and buy Russian gas.
This only benefits America, only they have the incentive.
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Nuland was not as outrageously specific as Biden was. She just said it would not move forward. Effectively, it would not be approved.
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On one side you have reasonable speculation as to Russia’s ability to drive a wedge between the US and Europe, despite the economic harm it would cause them.
On the other side, you have a US President who literally said he’d “bring an end” to the pipeline if Russia did what they have done, and also vowed he would “end fossil fuels”.
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Conspiracy theories aside? What sort of analysis failure is that? Are we talking act of God Peter? Pull yourself together fella. Its a conspiracy until the Americans confess. They have just violated the Nato charter. One Nato member attacking another.
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Given the proximity of the breaks to wind farms, and and the well documented (on this site) reasoning that the renewables are the energy dragon, surely they would be in the frame for this incident
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I don’t understand your point Peter.
If the unreliables worked, there wouldn’t be much need for gas would there, and Europeans wouldn’t be about to freeze in the dark with many dying and others suffering possible food shortages or starvation.
What cruel people the promoters of unreliables are.
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Since there isn’t a wind farm near the breaks I think your well documented reasoning (on this site) may be faulty, unless you are postulating that the wind turbines walked there.
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Wind farms are not in the picture, seals are a better fit.
Keep in mind that Moscow wanted Nord Stream 2 to come into operation and Washington didn’t.
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Who in Washington specifically? It is a big enough place when in session. Naming names may be helpful.
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You missed that/
Joe Biden saying that the U.S. can prevent NS2 from ever operating?
Look around.
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LOL.. nobody is going to mistake a gas line for a wind turbine !
What nonsense.
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Two very short videos. Well worth watching one after the other.
1) President Trump warns Germans about dependence on Russian gas and they laugh at him.
https://youtu.be/FfJv9QYrlwg (28 sec)
2) Germans have no clue what the President meant in the above exchange.
https://youtu.be/0CvQmWoog18 (1 min)
The cluelessness of German leaders is simply staggering.
Or maybe they’re not clueless but this is all part of the plan?
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Germans are being told to turn off their Christmas lights to save energy and for climate protection
https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/09/bah-humbug/
So freezing to death in your unlit hmes will at least be good for the planet so well worth the sacrifice I am sure we will all agree
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To give you an idea of the size magnititude of these pipelines, from Wikipedia.
I wonder how hard it is to repair the underwater portion of these pipelines, assuming they will ever be reopened?
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Some reports seem to indicate repair would be quite rapid, perhaps a week.
I should imagine repairing or replacing a damaged section is well anticipated.
Perhaps the speed of the repair may indicate the blame, fast – not Russia, more procrastination – Russia.
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For context your common garage air compressor runs at 100 psi or 7.5 bar and you car tyre runs about 30-35 psi.
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And the gas pressure at your cooktop is 1-2 psi ..if that !
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I doubt the inside has any corrosion protection. If not sealed before the pressure is below the water pressure, then there will be water ingress and corrosion will begin.
It may be lower cost just to replace the entire underwater section than trying to repair the line once it is filled with water.
The pipes are continuous with welding of sections done on an advancing vessel and the pipe lowered from a trailing boom. The buoyancy in the pipe assists that process. I suspect it will be very difficult to raise the pipe for new section without it being evacuated and that will be no easy task.
https://allseas.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/DJI_0481-1600×900.jpg
There are probably underwater repair techniques but not an easy task. And if extensive explosion damage then even more difficult.
Who will want to repair the pipeline? Who will pay for the repair. You can bet there are American based underwriters involved and they would be forbidden to provide funds for the repair.
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……… aaaaaaand the tribalists and conspiracy theorists are blaming anyone and everyone that they don’t like.
Better to wait and see what evidence emerges.
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I think it would be great if Putin is able to prove the Biden and his fellow idiots did it. They are the only ones who think they can gain from it. The EU/NATO would be stupid to do it. Putin would not do it, nothing to gain.
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Indeed, he does not need to sabotage the pipe, he controls the tap.
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Putin has plenty to gain , politically, by posing as the innocent, while sowing suspicion and discord amongst the Western allies.
He’s already turned off the gas, so further “problems” with supply don’t hurt him. The cost of repairing the pipeline is likely to be far less than that of sanctions.
It would probably not be his first false-flag operation.
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A Russian false-flag remains a possibility, but in my view, one of the least likely scenarios.
Time might tell, but probably not anytime soon.
“History” will depend on the winner, at least until it is re-written for a greater convenience.
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Uh-huh.. Like the Russians shelling the nuclear power plant at Zaporizhzhia that they have already taken control over? “Russian false flag” was also put forward for that by the Yanks, until the nuclear inspectors arrived.
We all know what will happen, America will blame someone incredibly unlikely, like Russia or Iran, and the great Western media will run with that story only and ignore everything else. I suppose the option B is that American experts will discover it was poor maintenance and shoddy Russian building that caused it, there was no sabotage. “We know but we can’t show you because security..”
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Exactly!
Though the bubbles are fun to watch and imagine what it would look like after dark after a shot across the “bow”?
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By “shot” I mean incendiary flare gun .
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I predict mass casualties across the EU & Britain this winter.
& that no politician will pay for these avoidable deaths.
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The blonde bimbo as PM there now is wrecking the economy with no idea what she is doing.
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One positive of the Blonde is she doesn’t like Biden. Got to look for the small positives……. ( eg restarting fracking etc)
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How is she doing that ?
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https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/22/truss-could-break-fracking-election-pledge-to-bypass-local-opposition
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‘I predict mass casualties across the EU & Britain this winter.’
There is no certainty of that, the NAO has to stay negative for a freezing winter.
https://weather.plus/nao-index.php
Last winter the NAO was mostly positive and mild conditions prevailed.
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Europeans are accustomed to cold winters. They are not accustomed to wearing outdoor clothes, indoors, but they usually have cold-weather clothing.
If eskimos can live in igloos made of compacted snow, heated only by an oil lamp or two….
Increased death rates are probably going to have more do do with people huddling in small, poorly-ventilated spaces and giving each other the flu, than “freezing to death”.
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Australia is in dire need of workers, we’ll happily take German guest workers and tourists.
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Tourists, refugees, guest workers: the USA welcomes all.
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Biden claimed, ‘ we can do it, trust me, we can shut it down’.
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Please, please, please let it be Biden.
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Biden has his fingerprints all over it, even before the Ukraine invasion the doddering idjit was plotting against his old foe.
‘The Nord Stream 2 pipeline between Russia and Germany will not move forward if Russia invades Ukraine, the US state department has said, in a significant strengthening of the west’s previous position on the strategically vital gas supply.’ (Guardian/ Jan 22)
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Can’t prove you are wong. Except you meant Hunter right?
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I just love the people who are so bound up in their own tribal politics that they would rather see their own government be found evil, than accepting that maybe they aren’t quite as bad as you thought.
You know, like only 98% eeeeevil.
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These three simultaneous leaks as 2x Nordstream and 1x Nordstream2. Now what’s the chance of that?
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Question is, who would have the ability to carry out such sabotage ? And why ?
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Perhaps a Putin warning on how vulnerable the Norway-Poland gas pipeline would be if one was unhappy with certain outcomes.
From what I understand, the Nordstreams were not operating – just pressurised.
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The “Baltic Pipeline” stages through Bernholm – very close to the “mysterious” Nordstream ruptures.
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From my reading there was gas in the pipe ready to go.
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Anyone with a submarine, or industrial underwater capacity…. which means anyone with an offshore oil industry or pipeline.
Quite a large field, actually.
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“These three simultaneous leaks as 2x Nordstream and 1x Nordstream2. Now what’s the chance of that?”
About the same as biden winning 81 million legit votes.
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No need. A feature of their design is that they self-destruct.
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I got a chuckle out of that line as well Rick.
Nice bit of well deserved sarcasm there from Jo.
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High-level currency, stock and price manipulation. War of the oligarchs! Who will be our new masters? Stay tuned!
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Greens and their handlers, and the Left in general, are becoming increasingly violent and sophisticated.
It is not beyond the realms of possibility they did this.
It would be of great benefit to the owners of unreliables as the price of random electricity, as useless as it is, would skyrocket.
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This is a military operation, Greens don’t have the ability.
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^^^…or the brains to think of doing it !
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Why would the “military” as El-commo would suggest, think better than the Greens?
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The Russians did it and will blame the Americans because they have motive, but where is the critical evidence.
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No the Russians didn’t do it. Thats completely insane. That would cut into both their revenue and negotiating position. If you can’t get something as simple as this right you will be another 21 years clueless about the effect of aluminium planes on reinforced steel buildings. The US navy was known to be up in the Baltic messing around as recently as June.
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Well, well, well. Whatever next in this ongoing mess?
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Jo Something to add to your Thread
Nordstream gas pipeline apparently sabotaged with “explosions” and three huge leaks
“It’s difficult to imagine it could be accidental”
BNN Newsroom
@BNNBreaking
BREAKING: A US Navy detachment led by the universal amphibious assault ship USS Kearsarge was located 30 kilometers from the alleged sabotage site on the Nord Stream-1 pipeline and 50 kilometers from the Nord Stream-2 pipeline wires.
BNN – Baltic News Network
Plus
RobB
September 28, 2022 at 5:40 am · Reply
Victoria Nuland delivering the same message:
https://rumble.com/v1lqg6v-victoria-nuland-on-1.27.22-nord-stream-2-will-not-move-forward.html
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This could be the end of the NATO Alliance. Biden and Putin are both mad.
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Yes the cracks are showing.
Biden demented and not in charge. His handlers may be mad (or Bad).
Putin not mad. He is playing chess. NATO seems to have wrong footed at every step.
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Lets not have some false equivalence here.
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nordstream of consciousness
one gato’s thoughts on recent pipeline events
the question of who would do this and why seems poignant and so i’d like to put my (admittedly speculative) 2c in on this:
it was the US.
what makes me think so? simple crime solving: motive, means, and opportunity.
the US had clear means and opportunity. our special ops and or simple submarine capability is more than up to this task and blowing up a pipeline in 60-70m of water while creating a reconstruction nightmare, would be a “day at the office” style task for them.
hell, we’ve even practiced just this thing with just this equipment in just the neighborhood where this happened.
so, we’re already into quite a lot of circumstantial suspicion.
but what about motive? clearly, this is a power move that dramatically realigns the chessboard going so far as to sweep a number of pieces onto the floor. but whom does it benefit?
not russia, that’s for sure. russia is suddenly on the back foot in ukraine and losing territory and face at a rapid rate. lines broke, casualties are high, and this new call up of barely trained conscripts is going to be catastrophic. they are neither prepared nor equipped for this. the newly enlisted are getting walked into a wood chipper and further losses are just going to weaken the russian position. they want to get this thing to the negotiating table and get a ceasefire/standstill/peace in place.
germany similarly seems ill served by this. it takes alternatives off the table and leaves them at real risk if the energy situation gets bad this winter. you’re kind of kicking yourself in the groin and with an economy stumbling, big plants reliant on cheap energy closing, and a producer price index that is starting to look, no exaggeration, like something from weimar (+46% year on year at last read) one can see why having the option might be appealing.
one can also see why others might be questioning the resolve of germany to remain steadfast in sanctions that are burying the bundesrepublik but affecting russia little might come into question.
Long and Fascinating Analysis
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eugyppius: a plague chronicle
Apparent Sabotage Disables Nord Stream 1 and 2, Cutting Off All Direct Gas Supply to Germany from Russia
Anonymous German officials appear to acknowledge the strong possibility of American or NATO involvement
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US also has clear motives to NOT do it.
Like not disrupting every alliance that they have in Europe.
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The Post Millennial
@TPostMillennial
Tucker Carlson questions what happened to the Nord Stream pipeline:
“Did the Biden administration really do this?”
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BOOM! Tucker Goes There – Suggests Joe Biden and US Behind Sabotage of Nord Stream Pipelines (Video)
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Pat Smith
@smithpatrick08
“Joe Biden has announced that he has ordered a search for the real culprits behind the Nord Stream 2 pipeline attack. He has named his special envoy for the project: O.J. Simpson.”
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And in the next few days they will try and blame Trump
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Gleiwitz incident
The Gleiwitz incident (German: Überfall auf den Sender Gleiwitz; Polish: Prowokacja gliwicka) was a false flag attack on the radio station Sender Gleiwitz in Gleiwitz (then Germany and now Gliwice, Poland) staged by N@zi Germany on the night of 31 August 1939. Along with some two dozen similar incidents, the attack was manufactured by Germany as a casus belli to justify the invasion of Poland
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Really? Map of Ukraine has not changed, despite MSM claims. A partial mobilisation does not involve conscripts nor partially trained troops.
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Stephen McIntyre
@ClimateAudit
Thread
@FWarweg
points out an important sequence of US, UK and Ukrainian operations that appear to have prepared the sabotage of Nordstream 2. I’ve checked the underlying events and will amplify slightly.
four weeks ago, in August 2022, the UK trained Ukrainian specialists in the use of underwater drones
https://archive.ph/GGTZT https://royalnavy.mod.uk/news-and-latest-activity/news/2022/august/26/20220826-royal-navy-divers-train-ukrainians-to-hunt-for-mines-with-underwater-drones
training of Ukrainians in use of advanced underwater drones is shown in video here
https://youtube.com/watch?v=WwBSjsPZIA8
The UK trainer observes that drones “know where it is in relation to the surface”. I.e. it’s capable of exactly locating the Nordstream pipelines that US drones had mapped.
the video showing the training of Ukrainian specialists in underwater drones during August 2022 that was posted up on Youtube by US Military Central was watermarked “US Military Central”
So the US was in possession of precision location data of Nordstream pipelines; Ukraine specialists had been trained by UK and US in the use of underwater drones which could be precisely controlled remotely; UK gave six advanced drones to Ukraine. Means, motive, opportunity
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This article suggests that Putin may have done it.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/09/27/putins-nord-stream-2-sabotage-sends-warning-will-blow-pipes/
SEE LINK FOR REST
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So if the pipelines aren’t working the populace can’t blame their government(s) for the lack of gas which they were about to do when their stupid governments decided to support the US hegemony in sanctions and Russia reacted. “It’s not us it’s a pipe failure, we can’t do anything about that, burble, burble.” Won’t change the fact that more people will die from freezing weather than the hoax of Covid.
Anyone know a country that respects it’s people?
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Yes – US may have had concerns that riots in Europe would put pressure on EU siding with Russia. There will be no gas through those pipelines before 2023; if ever.
As always simple fix – turn up the wind turbines to max output and supply all those thousands of houses each turbine is able to supply.
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Sad, possible and maybe true.
I hope it is transient but I am starting to think we have already lived in the best of times and less than that is easily available.
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Unfortunately, as Tony points out often,
You can’t turn wind turbine output up to 11
It only goes to about 3 and a bit.
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Someone just upped the ante for this game of disaster currently in play . With Russia about to recognise the breakaway republics in Ukraine and what that will bring , this would be a strategy to stiffen the resistance of the nations who are on the end of the Nord Stream . If they were going to change sides to get gas supply they can’t do that now . It also is something that cannot be clearly be blamed on either side . Whoever did this does not care about mass casualties as winter is just beginning in NH . Climate change won’t save them…..
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US Accused Of SABOTAGE After NordStream Pipelines RUPTURE
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See below
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OMG! Your news feed is youtube! Your Biden News feed is Youtube?
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I wonder if these could be intentional releases, designed to look like leaks ?
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The pipes would be steel encased in concrete and there would have to be valves at these locations, which would be shown on a map.
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Right
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This was the plot behind the James Bond thriller “The world is not enough”. Ultra rich Elektra King blew up her own pipeline under construction because she would profit even more from forcing all the gas through a more Southerly pipeline. It was Russian, Turks and various career bad guys and it was critical to blame the Americans. In fact they were going to blow up Istanbul to really confuse everyone and exact vengeance on British ‘M’.
So who blew up the two pipelines, mere km each into international water? Contractors. No end of choice.
Why? See where the money flows in those Southern pipelines through Ukraine and Turkey. Simple plot, obvious in 1998.
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There are several Russian gas pipelines into Europe, one through the Ukraine and one through Belarus, Poland to Germany. There is one through Belarus then western Ukraine to Hungary, Austria.
http://www.marketoracle.co.uk/images/2010/Mar/pipeline-wars-22-2.jpg
This is clearer.
https://w3ask.com/img/main-pipelines-europe.gif
And this includes oil pipelines as well.
http://crudeoilpeak.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Russia_oil_and_gas_pipelines.png
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Maybe a case of Sudden Pipeline Death Syndrome………………………..
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Apparently the pipeline had information that would have resulted in the arrest of Hillary Clinton. 😁
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No a “vascular” problem because of maybe:????
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This is one of those WTF moments.
It looks like a deliberate act most likely done by the Biden admin. Whilst we know that Russia had turned of NS1, the fact that NS2 was ready to provide twice the rate of supply is very telling in terms of Russia’s plan to use the coming winter freeze to encourage eastern states such as Poland, Hungary and others, to sign up to a new Soviet style deal with cheap gas and leave the EU. The sabotage of these pipes makes that impossible, but it also create a death scenario for millions of people. A big flow of Russian gas back into the system would also reduce energy prices and drive down profits from green rent seeking business, so the economic drivers for this sabotage are obvious.
Who is the real enemy here ????
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Poland and Hungary have VERY good memories of what it was like to live under Russian domination.
You really think that they are likely to be bought off by a bit of cheap gas?
You are making the mistake of thinking like a pampered westerner who has never had to face either a cold winter or that level of oppression.
Nor does NS2 run through Poland and Hungary.
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If Biden was responsible, we can expect Russian retaliation by blowing up the Baltic pipeline. This is not good 🙁
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Everyone will agree it was a commercial sabotage by persons unknown and political peace should be restored.
Its most likely a Putin stunt to get his country on a war footing.
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“Its most likely a Putin stunt to get his country on a war footing.”
I can’t see how it affects Russia at all. The pipelines weren’t earning them any money, the Germans had stolen all the hardware at their end, and the gas is flowing to China and India.
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KP…
It benefits Czar Putin politically, by allowing him to pose as the “good guy” who would supply gas to freezing people, if only the “terrorists” hadn’t blown up his pipeline…… while still supplying no gas.
“Maskirovka”, which translates to deception, is part of the official Russian doctrine for shaping military and political situations.
Putin only cares about money, when it gets him what he wants. He is betting that the Russians will put up with a declining economy longer than the Europeans, and fracturing the NATO alliance is more important to him than the comfort of his people. Don’t kid yourself that he will share their suffering. It’s about politics and power, not money.
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“It’s about politics and power, not money” Yes, it always is..
“He is betting that the Russians will put up with a declining economy longer than the Europeans, and fracturing the NATO alliance is more important to him than the comfort of his people.’
He’s right on both of those.. The Russians are still a tough straight-forward people, they will put up with discomfort more and stopping NATO from dismembering Russia is his number one concern.
Russia has a far better performing economy now than anywhere in Europe, and as South Africa showed, sanctions make a country pull together and sacrifice when needed. They may not be able to buy iphones, but their current account surplus is booming from oil & gas sales.
I wouldn’t want to be a working class man in Europe this winter…
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The lives of all those who suffer and will die this winter in Europe are on the hands of all those Greens/Leftists who promoted Energy Starvation and more recently are promoting Food Starvation through a pathetic war against “nitrogen” (sic)..
They are 100% guilty, it is inexcusable to think you can run an industrial civilisation on wind, solar and Big Batteries.
All the information was available demonstrating this was not and is not possible.
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Coming to AUS very soon!
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Funny how naive people are.
Quite convinced that it is “obvious” that the US would have done this, but equally convinced that no-one in the US Government would have thought of that, or how damaging such an act would be on US-European relations and US foreign policy around the world.
Biden and Co. may be evil and ruthless, but thinking that they are too stupid to calculate their own self-interest is underestimating them. They didn’t get to where they are, by being that stupid.
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That’s some knot you’ve tied yourself in.
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GA…
Prove it.
There are plenty of evil and devious people in the world.
Biden Inc may be on that list, but there are obvious reasons why keeping such an operation as this secret would be more difficult for the US, and equally obvious reasons why being outed as having done it would be disastrous.
This is not a movie where the PM calls M who tells Bond to get it done, and only 3 people actually know about it. Send the US Navy and you have hundreds of crew, communications, tracking and logistics personnel who know what is where at what time….. and will be asking themselves “Is this order legal”. Good luck guaranteeing that there is no Bradly Manning or Edward Snowden amongst that crew, or no irate officer who has the phone number of his Republican Congressman who would just LOVE to have Biden impeached for giving an illegal order.
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I am evil and devious. But if I try and act on my evil and devious nature I GET CAUGHT. The only people who can be evil and devious and not be caught are in a congruent relationship with the Western Media.
Now do we call them AMERICANS? Or do we heap alternative prerogatives on them? There is no long list of suspects here. We know who did it already. Don’t be stupid. Whether it was American, British, or Israeli submarines makes little difference, its the same network.
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“Biden and Co. may be evil and ruthless, but thinking that they are too stupid to calculate their own self-interest is underestimating them. They didn’t get to where they are, by being that stupid.”
Well for starters he’s not Biden. Biden was a “hale fellow well met” a blue-eyed gentleman. This fellow is not Biden. No use pretending he’s Biden because he’s not Biden. So the same network that bombed the pipelines can put this idiot in front of you and you will buy into him, and so you have to assume the same people who can make a fool of you so easily about the one thing, can make a fool out of you about another.
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Well it’s certainly distracted everyone from the 2 major events in Italy. 😉
Everyones playing red ants/black ants but I’ll wait for some video or photos of the pipeline damage. Should be revealing…
Denmark waters…sea floor…multiple explosions at 2am and 7pm…hmmm…lessee now…
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Latest info that’s come my way points a big fat finger at the USA, and I agree with the logic and evidence.
If proven true that’s as bad as it gets.
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Tucker Carlson on this
https://youtu.be/-Zeadc4pQAw
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Guess Who Threatened to Take the Russian Nord Stream Pipelines Offline Before They Were Sabotaged This Week?
From the Comments
– 100% trying to start a major war prior to November.
– Exactly. Have Russia attack the United States before November to throw off the mid-term elections as a way to cheat and win.
– “Shelter in place” to vote scheme just went nuclear!
– Joey wouldn’t even blink to let the United States get hit with a nuclear bomb if it would help him win.
– Democrats would be happy to rule over the ashes.
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Nice discussion in Moon of Alabama.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/09/the-war-on-germany-just-entered-its-hot-phase.html#more
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This is one of those stories where Social media and the 24 hr news cycle just gets in the way. By the time you’ve sifted through the multiple conspiracy theories that pop up every minute (almost) you’ll never hear the real truth. Plus, because of that informationh overload, those who want to hide the real truth, just fire up the bots and drown the media in red herring stories. I reckon the dingo did it.
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CONSPIRACY THEORY?
Holy [snip] man. Until the Americans confess, then obviously it is a conspiracy. Was it volcanos? You should grow up and stop using that phrase as much as you do. Its not a theory. Its an observation.
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What is genuinely “obvious” to those with a solid knowledge of the USA’s history of fraud, corruption, false flags, orchestrated foreign wars, war crimes, illegal experiments, child abuse & trafficking, drugs and gun running etc etc is that they genuinely don’t care if they started ww3 and indeed they welcome it.
You’re confusing stupidity with irrational mesianic sociopathy, and the latter sums them up best, which is why the average person can’t make sense of their actions…
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That was supposed to be for #29.
The blog is behaving a bit funny today.🤔
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It’s ok, I’ll answer it here.
There are far more people outside the US with the same history of foul play, and who are far better at hiding it.
It’s not particularly smart to only look at what you imagine might be Biden Inc’s motivation, without looking at the downsides for them.
Very difficult to keep secret,,, especially when every internet-detective thinks you are the prime suspect.
Totally destroys your credibility, alliances and everything else you need to run your foreign policy.
Destroys any desire on the part of your former allies to fight alongside you if “WW3” (which Putin can’t afford anyway) did kick off.
Go look up “Maskirovka”. It is a formal part of Russian military and political doctrine.
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Ideas above show misunderstanding of alliances.
Yes they are agreements but not with equal benefits and costs. An alliance with the US today is a benefit to the US and a threat to the other parties. (Unless you do such.. ..). Sometimes, threats are carried out. This strengthens the ability of the US in current negotiations.
For the sake of form, weak attempts may be made at secrecy. Negotiating power is stronger if all know who did it, and will do it again.
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Can’t make this up… Iraq War neocon Anne Applebaum’s Polish husband thanks US for blowing up Nord Stream…
https://www.revolver.news/2022/09/neocon-anne-applebaum-polish-husband-thanks-usa-for-blowing-up-nord-stream/
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I remember Sikorsky from just after the cold war ended. Seemed like a good fellow to me. His crowd were going around Poland trying to name streets after Reagan, because they thought that Reagan and that Pope of the time were simply outstanding. So I thought he was a great guy back then.
But you know. If you get married to the mob, that might affect your attitude over the longest period of time.
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It’s the Americans of course . .
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So who did it? The Ruskies or the US? To whose interest does it fall?
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You know the answer. Now we have to stop this feeling of shame. Its NOT Reagan’s America any more. Carter was a good fellow too you know.
Back in the day Ronald Reagan and Tip ONeal would fight it out in public and have a few beers in private and since they were both good and humane Irishmen you wouldn’t get this hate an evil coming from the top. Of course the deep state was there doing evil whenever the old man took an afternoon nap. But by and large we had a worthy ally.
We just have to forget this all now and remember what decade we are living in.
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This whole thing is not a mystery. Alleged President Biden promised that he would bring these Nord Stream tunnels down. So the motive is to destroy Europeans. Destroying Europeans is the motive behind “Ukrainian” military strategy.
What must be understood is that the Ford-Carter-Reagan period of United States administration is over. While probably in the background our American friends and partners never stopped being criminals, you and I grew up and were influenced by this period of authentic goodwill from the people who were at the highest office. Those days are long-gone. The criminals took over not long after the great hero Reagan retired to chop wood and ride horses. and dance with Nancy. And the true terrorist nature of our allies leadership has been getting more and more obvious.
If we can’t thin out our public service, get all out boys AT LEAST TRAINING to be soldiers. And fully arm the continent, then we are taking the side of an America that is a total terrorist criminal.
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Here is a video of the pipe repair procedure, actually quite easy – as I said before it is anticipated repairs will be required, you can see why it might only take a week.
https://youtu.be/mAmsrNECPSE
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No its not going to take a week bro. And whose going to do it? The Germans? They still have the boycott in place? The Russians? They have a war to fight.
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If you wanted to be taken seriously, at least change your name, dude.
It could be repaired in a week if the will was there. It’s an anticipated and well planned procedure – pipelines are always at risk of damage even in normal times.
As for too busy fighting a war, it’s only a special operation, lol.
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Sabotage ? Looks more like someone opened remote controlled blow-down valves.
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No it doesn’t look like someone opened anything remote controlled. Its a response by the terrorist side to losing the war. Russia was smashing the terrorist camp. But Russia were running down their guys because many of them were past their contracts in August, that often only went for six months.
As a result Russia could still smash all comers. But they had no people to hold territory already captured. So they abandoned some areas, this was turned into a great victory by the terrorists and the media, and the Russian public were so horrified that they were almost demanding that something be done.
So Putin decided to support a proposal for a partial mobilisation. He’s calling up 300 000 guys, and this is after they already have beaten Ukraine.
Now the Nato countries have no answer for that in terms of the internal reform to become a strong adversary to Russia. So how were they going to respond? We just saw how.
Instead of sacking public servants to get fiscal topside. Instead of engaging in banker reform to enable re-industrialisation ……… No thats all a little bit too hard. So they come up with this latest hair-brained scheme instead.
It strikes me that many wars are a substitute for internal reform. Internal reform being just a little bit too rugged for the empty suits running things.
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This is complete nonsense. Russia is bogged down in Ukraine and needs a way out of this war. There is none with Putin in charge.
Before you suggest that I am anti-Russian, I am a Brit who sees this war as a war outside NATO and among Slavs; in other words, a war that isn’t NATO’s business. NATO should not have dangled membership in front of Ukraine in 2008.
I see no reason why Putin would blow up a gas pipeline that is capable of bringing him revenue when he can simply turn the gas tap off (or keep it turned off). Nor would Ukraine do this, as it cannot be kept secret for long and Kiev would then lose all Western sympathy.
Who did it? Can you think of a superpower that wouldn’t be harmed by doing it but which gains leverage over both sides as a result?
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