Wednesday Open Thread

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    tonyb

    Police arrest just stop oil protestors in London.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11283477/Police-arrest-28-eco-zealots-mob-blocked-road-Westminster-gluing-tarmac.html

    This crackdown is welcome as until recently the police seemed to have smiled benignly at such protestors. Definitely a change of emphasis with Truss, who wants growth, fracking and more oil exploration. Which could be why so many of the green eco zealots masquerading as Tory MP’s are so against her.

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      Graham Richards

      We have the same situation in Canberra & the states. Big numbers of WEF / UN luvvies with Labor ideals & policies are infesting our administrations.

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      b.nice

      LOL..

      Signs.. made from oil.
      Shoes.. made from oil.
      HiVis.. made from oil.
      Backpacks.. made from oil.
      Waterproofs.. made from oil.
      Glue... made from oil.

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      cadger

      Which could be why so many of the green eco zealots masquerading as Tory MPโ€™s are so against her.

      And that’s why she’s going to fail. Just like Thatcher she’ll be stabbed in the back.

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    tonyb

    The ozone hole seems to have peaked in Antarctica as the winter ends

    https://ozonewatch.gsfc.nasa.gov/

    As can be seen by the graphics along the side, this years numbers are amongst the highest in the record. There was a great deal of fuss when the ozone hole seemed to ‘recover’ a couple of years ago but we will hear very little of this years depletion just as we heard little of last years figures. I have asked the question several times of those bodies measuring the ‘hole’ as to whether it might always have been there, fluctuating according to temperature, but that it is only recently we have been able to measure it. The response “perhaps, but our models show otherwise.”

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      Ted1.

      The models show otherwise. Note there again the plural, models. So which model might be right?

      The next time you communicate with “them”, ask who discovered it, how and when? I suspect that the current generation at NASA have never heard of the bloke I think discovered it. I only heard it once, but it made sense. I don’t know if he was there at the time, but he didn’t have to be. Others were there.

      I take it that this “hole” does exist, though I have seen that pluralised by wafflers, too.

      Until somebody gives me a satisfactory explanation for why this ‘hole” is at the south pole when 90% of the people supposedly causing it reside in the North I will continue to call this story out as a criminal scam. And that applies also to the AGW scam and the COVID19 scam. This was the pilot run.

      All three founded in public ignorance of science.

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        Ted

        One was the max plank institute the other was Cambridge University. As my son was just about to go to here to study physics I thought it prudent not to query the professor who would be teaching him!

        I also communicated with NASA but once the 2022 figures are definitive I might well contact one of the three again.

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          Ted1.

          I think Gordon Dobson discovered it in 1957.

          I can’t remember where I saw it, but it is much more plausible than other stories they tell us.

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            John+PAK

            In my reading they knew about Ozone in the polar atmospheres long ago. During the early ’60s, Gordon Dobson wrote “Exploring the Atmosphere”. He talks about the region of ozone density fluctuating seasonally but being caused by summer-time exposure to 24/7 ionising radiation. He proposed tracking ozone rich parcels of air from the high polar atmosphere as a means of studying how air moves across the planet. That was one of the objectives of “Geophysical Research Year” 1958.
            I found an original copy in a Sydney Uni campus library once but it’s been reprinted as a science-culture landmark piece since then.
            My impression is that the “ozone hole” was a clever scam to ban CFCs. The British Antarctic Survey found TONNES of hot chlorine gas rising out of Mt Erebus and whistling straight up into the stratosphere. O3 readily breaks down in the presence of Cl.

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        another ian

        Ted

        Would the (sarcastic) plural for those be “modeli”?

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        John+PAK

        Yes, both polar atmospheres have regions of low ozone density at certain times of the year. Winter darkness means that ozone is not replaced and because it readily degrades back to normal oxygen, there comes a time at the end of spring when there is almost zero O3 left. It seems reasonable to think that pollution, water vapour and solar variance would also modulate O3 formation and degradation.

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      Interestingly, NASA also indicate that increased stratospheric water vapor can mess with ozone at this link, dealing with water vapor injected by the Tongan eruption.

      More importantly, lingering stratospheric aerosols and water vapor can affect Earth’s climate. Not only can increased water vapor lead to the destruction of Earthโ€™s sunscreen, stratospheric ozone, but because it is a greenhouse gas it warms the atmosphere. This offsets the cooling that occurs when stratospheric aerosol particles block sunlight by absorbing or scattering it.

      (My bold).

      A recent paper on the Martian atmosphere may offer a clue:

      They find that water vapor abundance is controlled by atmospheric temperature, and that, as expected, O3 and H2O are anti-correlated. Water vapor condenses when the atmosphere cools, allowing O3 to build up as the production of ozone-destroying radicals is reduced. Conversely, warmer temperatures lead to H2O enhancements and ozone loss.

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      RickWill

      The area of the ozone hole follows cosmic rays by up to a year and cosmic rays follow solar activity by half a year or so.

      Earth has just started upswing on solar activity and that will soon reflecting cosmic rays:
      https://cosmicrays.oulu.fi

      So the peak annual hole area will shrink again over the next six years before getting bigger again a couple of years after the solar intensity peaks.

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    tonyb

    Inflation in Germany much higher than admitted.

    https://gatesofvienna.net/2022/10/the-melting-euro/

    Germany is the power house of the EU and the Euro and Merkel’s connivance with Russia to import gas whilst closing down nuclear and coal seems to have backfired. Inflation in the Netherlands has reached over 17%. Britain seems to have narrowly escaped recession so far, to the dismay of the remainers who still plot to get us back in the EU. The ECB will need to raise interest rates sharply, as, like Britain, the currency is at a low rate against the dollar, as is the Yen.

    As a saver I think interest rates have been far too low for far too long (0.10% in the Uk until recently and a low rate since 2008) Higher interest rates have a big impact of course for those buying a wildly overpriced house.

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      Petros

      The Germans seem to be getting played by the Yanks to destroy their Euro. Perhaps just bribery at the highest levels. Why else would they keep damaging their own businesses and economy? The Yanks really don’t want an alternative to the petrodollar.

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        Hanrahan

        For how long have Germans been spineless forelock tuggers grovelling at the feet of the US?

        Germany has always wanted to dominate Europe, when did that change?

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          KP

          “For how long have Germans been spineless forelock tuggers grovelling at the feet of the US?”

          Since 1944 when they were occupied and the occupiers never left. Germany can say nothing against the USA, the 40,000 American troops in their country make sure of that. I imagine it is like Japan, anyone who wants to hold a powerful position must get permission from the occupiers first. Don’t bother applying in German either…

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    tonyb

    The pound sterling sagged badly when it was learnt that the Truss govt intended to borrow money to help pay for expensive energy and tax cuts. It appears however that Germany intends to borrow far more but it seems to have escaped notice

    https://rmx.news/economy/our-great-grandchildren-will-pay-for-this-germanys-plan-to-borrow-e200-billion-in-shadow-debt-to-pay-for-gas-price-cap-criticized-by-federal-audit-office/

    The EU allows all sorts of dubious financial tricks from its three leading economies but bears down hard on other countries, such as Poland and Hungary that also don’t follow the rules. I voted ‘leave’ but don’t want to see either the EU or the Euro destroyed, but it would be good to see the ambitions of the EU severely curtailed. I can’t see how the Euro would be allowed to fail as that would destroy the wealth of hundreds of billions in the EU with its far reaching global implications. A little humility from EU leaders would be good though

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      KP

      Love it!! Govt printing presses going flat-out. Germany’s annual budget is about E500billion, and they are ‘borrowing’ E360billion just for three ‘special funds’… of which they have 26! None of these are in the budget, they are ‘off-budget’ items on top of the usual expenses and debt.

      It will end up just like the last time the Weimar Republic tried this…

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    tonyb

    AS I’ve had a bit of a German theme today, I will add this one.

    https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-world-war-reparation-poland-closed/

    The UK reckons the First and Second world war each cost us around ยฃ12 trillion dollars in todays terms but we never saw any of it returned to us.

    Oz must be owed a fair bit as well.

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    Hello Mr. Flannery. Anymore developments on that no rainfall prediction of yours many years ago. Sydney has already had 2 metres of rainfall this year and the BOM Offices have been flooded several times. Flooded with irate emails about the weather.

    Raining again today and the weekend looks wet.

    Hope that you are safe and sound on the banks of the Hawkesbury.

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      John+PAK

      I live in the Hawkesbury (but at 2700ft). My property is approaching the 7ft mark for 2022 with more falling as I sit inside in the warmth. Flanno gives me a chance to smile when I hear his name. Poor chap probably rues the day he made those remarks.

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    Hello Mr. Flannery. Anymore developments on that no rainfall prediction of yours many years ago. Sydney has already had 2 metres of rainfall this year and the BOM Offices have been flooded several times. Flooded with irate emails about the weather.

    Raining again today and the weekend looks wet.

    Hope that you are safe and sound on the banks of the Hawkesbury.

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    b.nice

    Great post on WUWT about the efficacy of “renewables”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/10/05/a-few-graphs-say-it-all-for-weather-dependent-renewables-2/

    Average output in 2021 was 18% of installed capacity

    Conventional power generation, Gas-firing, Coal or Nuclear technologies:

    โ— produce much more energy for use by civilisation than the energy they require to build and run.
    โ— They have a high Energy Return on Energy Invested.
    โ— run 24/7
    โ— can be turned on when needed to match demand
    โ— use small land areas
    โ— can be located close to centres of demand
    โ— their installations use limited materials
    โ— they can have substantial energy storage on site at low cost
    โ— are shown to be substantially cheaper for the power they produce, even at current elevated European Gas prices.

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      Chad

      All true and accurate pointsโ€ฆBUT..
      They are useless โ€œhardโ€ ammunition in a fight against an invisible belief that โ€œCO2 is going to destroy us allโ€ !
      We need an equivalent response like .. โ€œRE will destroy society and cause millions to die unnecessarilyโ€
      โ€ฆand in order to support that , we need an example .!
      Lests see if Europe will give us that .?

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    Trumps Sues CNN

    From Armstrong Economics –

    “Former President Trump has filed a defamation lawsuit against CNN. It is of no surprise that the network repeatedly bashed the president before, during, and after his presidency. Trumpโ€™s attorney claims the network โ€œhas sought to use its massive influence โ€” purportedly as a โ€˜trustedโ€™ news source โ€” to defame the Plaintiff in the minds of its viewers and readers for the purpose of defeating him politically, culminating in CNN claiming credit for โ€˜[getting] Trump outโ€™ in the 2020 presidential election.โ€ Trump is seeking $475 million in damages.

    Some believe this may be a publicity stunt as defamation suits are notoriously difficult to win. However, we cannot deny that CNN was running a smear campaign against Donald Trump. They reported on the Steele Dossier, Russian collusion, and other completely fake stories as if they were factual. It seemed as if CNN was running a 24/7 channel designed for the purpose of bashing Trump.

    Trumpโ€™s lawyer also claimed that CNN told their viewers he was a cult leader, associating his likelihood with that of Adolf Hitler. Under this umbrella, the current White House and every other media outlet should be punished for defamation. Joe Biden himself declared MAGA Republicans the biggest threat to democracy, and violence against conservatives has ensued. Let us also not forget how CNN treated Trump during his debates.

    This would be a huge step in the right direction for journalism at large if CNN lost. It is unlikely that CNN will completely lose, but they are in the wrong. Journalism has become nothing more than a tool of propaganda that cannot be trusted.”

    https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/trump-sues-cnn/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=RSS

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    Ted1.

    I thought Trump might have given as good as he got. Maybe he missed CNN.

    And he did have other things needed doing.

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    ICAN has now obtained CDC data for the approximate 10 million v-safe users.

    As explained in our prior update, v-safe is a new smartphone-based CDC program that allows users to register after getting a Covid-19 vaccine and provide health check-ins.

    ICAN wanted to obtain this data. So, it deployed its legal team, headed by Aaron Siri, to obtain the v-safe data.

    After suing the CDC twice, and following months of legal wrangling, the CDC finally capitulated, resulting in a court order that required it to produce this data. The first batch of data, containing 144 million rows of health entries by v-safe users, has now been obtained by ICAN and you can search it using a user-friendly interface that ICAN worked around the clock to create.

    https://www.icandecide.org/ican_press/breaking-news-ican-obtains-cdc-v-safe-data/

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      Hanrahan

      Was it on an earlier thread where they said 7.7% of 1m people on the app sought medical attention after the jab?

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    el+gordo

    The price we are paying for folly is disproportionate.

    ‘As for the old per capita trick, one relevant fact they might have included: Australiaโ€™s share of global greenhouse gas emissions is 1.18%, one of the lowest in the world. The Decision was also silent on what rights the countryโ€™s population of 25 million people may have to future prosperity.’ (wuwt)

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    el+gordo

    Snowy Hydro a monumental waste of money.

    ‘Woodley said the full tab for the project, including the HumeLink transmission and hundreds of kilometres of new overhead lines, could top $12bn, or six times the amount cited when then prime minister Malcolm Turnbull launched the plan in 2017.’ (Guardian)

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    John Connor II

    Thursday post in Wednesday o/t.๐Ÿ˜‡

    Well now…the Nordstream pipelines sabotage just took an interesting turn.

    Oopsey! ๐Ÿ˜†๐Ÿ˜†

    More after I stop laughing.

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    John Connor II

    Chase UK’s app-only bank hit with 24-hour ongoing outage

    A mysterious outage impacting Chase Bank’s virtual current accounts has left UK users struggling to access their account balances or sign up for a new one.

    For UK customers, Chase’s “Current Account” is a mobile app-only offering without physical branches or online banking involved. This leaves the mobile app as the primary means for customers to access or transact with their funds or to communicate with the bank.

    https://chaseuk.statuspage.io/incidents/srmgdyb6rrg5

    City of Tucson discloses data breach affecting over 125,000 people

    As revealed in a notice of data breach sent to affected people, an attacker breached the city’s network and exfiltrated an undisclosed number of files containing sensitive information.

    The threat actors had access to the network between May 17 and May 31 and might have accessed or stolen documents containing the information of 123,513 individuals.

    “On May 29, 2022, the City learned of suspicious activity involving a user’s network account credential,” the data breach notification reads.

    “On August 4, 2022, the City learned that certain files may have been copied and taken from the City’s network.”

    The City began notifying potentially impacted individuals on September 23 that, among the sensitive personal information exposed during the incident, the attacker could have accessed the affected individuals’ names and Social Security numbers.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23119174-city-of-tucson-bc-data-breach-notice

    FBI: Cyberattacks targeting election systems unlikely to affect results

    The Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) in a public service announcement says that cyber activity attempting to compromise election infrastructure is unlikely to cause a massive disruption or prevent voting.

    The FBI and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) assessed the associated risks over time, and neither agency has seen evidence of malicious interference having any measurable impact.

    https://www.ic3.gov/Media/PDF/Y2022/PSA221004.pdf

    Hacking interfere with a rigged election? LOL…

    Add all these to the cyberattack list I posted in Tuesday’s o/t.

    Keep security up to date.
    Have cash etc on hand. ๐Ÿ˜‰

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      el+gordo

      Talking of hackers ….

      ‘Sydney teen arrested for alleged scam on Optus victims.

      ‘The AFP have arrested a 19-year-old for allegedly sending scam texts to blackmail people whose data had been separately published online.’

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    Theranos

    There is this new covid variant that kills you, and you donโ€™t even know you are dead.

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      Saighdear

      I think it’s been on the go for some quite considerable time: a precursor to what we have now. Was thoughtto have spread from some suspected member at a meeting of the great n good, possibly in a neutral country. One sees the effect re-occurring regularly as in the utterances regarding Crises of one sort or another. Has become almost endemic within the ruling classes now: good luck to them!

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    John Connor II

    Another late o/t ?
    I suspect Jo has a hot date.
    Too much time in the sauna. ๐Ÿ˜†

    Warning time? ๐Ÿ˜

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