This is a public service announcement for Victorian voters in their election today. Rebel News has footage of preferences-dealer Glenn Druery admitting he set the “Sack Dan Andrews” party up deliberately to harvest votes which will eventually return to Labor in preferences. Druery wants Labor to stay in power. This seems like the sort of thing Victorians might want to know before they vote.
See Rebel News and spread the word. Where was “the ABC”? — Good luck to Victorians.
Reader Yarpos suggests Turning Point Australia to see how your preferences flow before voting.
One would think that this party is fraudulently misrepresenting itself and that it would be prohibited from calling itself that.
On the other hand, a court might rule that politicians and political parties are known to lie by their very nature.
In any case, almost the entire judiciary and senior public serpents (as well as the keadership in other departments such as police) have now been replaced by people personally loyal to Dictator Dan and his cult of personality and the chance of getting any fair treatment in relation to this case are about zero.
Yes, it’s just like any other dictatorship but in this case it has the superficial appearance of being a democracy.
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DM,everybody should vote Dan back in, let him complete the job of turning the place into a complete replica of North Korea, not the half arsed copy it is at the moment. Maybe then when the trendy, woke Labour supporters have the boot crushing their face into the dirt and they are living a peasant’s hand to mouth existence they might wake up.
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Another misrepresentation going on the Vicdanistan election is The Teal “party” who claim to be independent but have all the look and functionality of a highly organised and EXTREMELY well funded political party.
Whilst all candidates are theoretically subject to election funding restrictions, if the Teals don’t maintain membership lists, because they are not officially a party, how would it even be possible to audit their funding?
The Teals are particularly focused on removing sitting Liberals, including the Deputy Opposition leader who has a margin from last election of only 240 votes.
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I read in an article on at least one MSM channel they now openly mention “The Teal independents, largely sponsored by clean energy investor and son of Australias first billionaire, Simon….”.
Now one would wonder what said “investor” stand to gain from bankrolling this bunch…surely must be for our wellbeing and nothing else…and those 30-something wominses with degrees all vote for them and we need to take their views seriously I’m told…
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Dictator Dan introduced election funding restrictions for political parties of $4000 per four years per member or entity but “strangely”, this didn’t affect trade union contributions to his party which is the political arm of the trade union movement, the Labor Party.
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/andrews-to-tighten-political-donation-rules-stop-parties-taking-foreign-money-20170918-gyjgjs.html
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Put Dan the CFMEU man dead LAST when you go to vote today.Good luck Victoria,cause if the CFMEU man gets in you are well and truly STUFFED.
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Lots of stubborn right wing voters will put smaller parties at no.1. Which guarantees they’ll never win. However, stubbornness can be mitigated by a hint of street smarts, which means, basically, putting Labor last or second last.
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Yes. That’s how Australia’s preference system works in practice. Except if you live in an electorate with enough numpties to actually elect a green or a teal.
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Why do you believe that putting a small party at number 1 position somehow means conservatives can’t win?
You might have noticed how well the Greens have done as a minor party, which can only have happened if gradually Labor voters started putting Greens first. At no stage during that process did strongly leftwing electorates somehow elect conservatives by accidentally splitting their voter base … because that doesn’t happen in Australia.
Perhaps spend a bit of time studying how the Instant Runoff voting system works, and then understand that what happens in Australia is quite unrelated to systems like the UK and USA.
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I’m with Tel. Put the majors last. Our main decision in preferential voting is how to order our last three choices plus a minor choice about who gets your first vote (and possibly an election dollar, but only if they get more than 4%.)
Preferential voting ought to help us break the majors and so much more easily than the UK first past the post system. But the media ignore all the minor alternative parties apart from the Green-Teals.
That’s why this scam party “Sack Dan Andrews” preys upon our system. For a minor party the name they put on the ballot is often their only form of advertising.
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As long as you control your preferences then by voting below the line. And please put the Coalition (spit-spit) BEFORE Labor, Greens and all the more extreme ones towards the bottom…as an insurance policy.
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The turning point group in VIC provides online how to vote cards for each electorate to ensure preferences dont flow to the ALP via the Machiavellian system still operating in VIC.
https://www.tpaust.com.au/
Contrary to simplistic advice the answer is not to simply vote Liberal, or to vote above the line.
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Thanks Jo for interesting me enough to actually look up who is standing in my electorate.
In the lower house there are no Sack Dan Andrews party and no Teal but the candidates. The absence of a Teal is curious because the sitting Liberal member won with only 50.6% at the last election and the sitting Federal member lost to a Teal at the last election.
In the upper house there ARE two Sack Dan Andrews candidates and no Teal.
And having taken a look at my electorate I cannot honestly say I want to vote for any of them. Still I live in the same street as my local primary school polling booth and the loudspeakers are blaring like a muslim call to prayer. I guess I’ll get my name ticked off and see how the mood takes me after that.
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That is quite a ploy. Plenty of people who don’t like Andrews due to the lockdowns would vote for that headline name. I spend a bit of time watching youtube channels such as Aussie Cossack et al, and not to be demeaning but the loyal followers aren’t the brightest, they loath Andrews and also the Liberal Party so may see that name and put a vote for it. Hopefully they also watch Avi’s channel and are informed of the trick.
But surely this is misleading and questionably legal?
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Reminiscent of Uncle Remus’s Brer Rabbit and the briar patch ploy, but applied to voters: how to get useful idiots to do what you want.
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🙂
That got me hunting:
https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/brer-rabbit
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I shall stick with my early prediction that Andrews will win.
I’ve never failed in predicting elections I follow. My trick is I don’t listen to right wing echo chamber opinion like Paul Marray for example, but look around at all comments, including left wing commentators to gauge their current derangement level, and opinion polls which are sometimes wrong but more often close to the money, and good old talk back radio. The golden rule is do not listen to intelligent people. You must remove your emotions and gauge the wind, something many cannot do. And in Australia, preferences.
I find while many detest Andrews there are also plenty who think he’s just great. I watched that FriendlyJordies character – very popular amongst the young for some reason – and he mocks people who call Andrews DictatorDan. These are good indicators. The fact Andrews is a pretty wild character with a recent turbulent time yet still leading polls is telling. Polls have pulled in but the preferences of Greens are large so I just can’t see him losing. Most vote with the wind, and the general wind direction of society right now is left, woke is all the rage and enough people lean to climate change being real with weather event propaganda playing a significant role. This will get him there despite the turbulence.
Hope I’m wrong.
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I know a few people who simply left Victoria because of Andrews, and based on comments and other statistics I think there are quite a lot of those people.
The consequence tends to be that his supporters stay, and the people leaving probably would never have voted for him, therefore a sufficiently bad leader can actually increase his majority over time.
I expect that Andrews will ride Victoria all the way down … and it has not hit rock bottom yet. Let’s hope he can shut down industry in Victoria faster than the parallel shutdown happens in NSW and QLD … it’s not too late for Victoria to serve as a warning to others.
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Phillip…:sadly I’m totally in agreement with you. Andrews has well prepared (stacked) the electoral system in preparation for today. Well done to Ian Clarke running directly against Andrews in his electorate. In any normal democratic election Ian may have had a strong case to win. Good luck Victorians…. Your gonna need some!
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Parties do not give preferences in Australia.
The voter writes the preference onto the ballot … you write any preference you want to write, and if you follow the “How to Vote” card that’s only because you choose to do so, not because anyone made you. Journalists are dishonestly saying the preferences are controlled by parties … the parties can recommend preferences and absolutely nothing more than that.
In the upper house of Victoria, if you vote 1 above the line, you are voluntarily choosing the Group Voting Ticket which is published here … nothing secretive about it. If you don’t want that then vote below the line. It’s confusing because other states have changed this process.
https://www.vec.vic.gov.au/candidates-and-parties/become-a-state-election-candidate/groups-and-voting-tickets
Anyone who simply chooses a Group Voting Ticket, without checking, is being lazy and making their own decision to trust some party or other. This has no effect on the lower house, and it does not change who comes out as Premier. Take note that this political party actually uses a “Viclabor” domain name, and they evolved out of Labor, presumably people who think the party could get a better leader.
https://viclabor.org/
If you go to the “Shop” they are trying to make a decent chunk of cash selling that domain name … looks a tiny bit like a shakedown attempt.
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Absolutely – It needs to be emphasised that parties do not distribute preferences in any Australian State or Territory. Only voters can do that, even if they choose to support a group voting ticket above the line.
Has anyone been able to explain the phenomenon of above-the-line voting by so many? Yes, it can fairly be called laziness. Or inablility to count to five. But just what is going on in their minds?
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I never use the how to vote cards handed out at the door of the pooling stations. I always look at the candidates on the list and mark them according to MY PREFERENCES not that of the parties. I’m also one of those who fill out the bottom section of the upper house voting slip.
Know what? This year for my electorate, I did not prefer any of the candidates, (Greens, National,Labor and some other minor unknowns)
This is the fine choice we had for the Murray Plains:
MacPHERSON, Cameron Family First Victoria
BISH, Katia Freedom Party of Victoria
HURRELL, Damien Australian Labor Party – Victorian Branch
LEUNG, Glenys Animal Justice Party
WALSH, Peter The Nationals
OTTO, Andrea
BROWNSTEIN, John Australian Greens
So I went to the booth, looked at the list of candidates, thought to myself that’s it?, folded up the ballot without filling it in and placed it incomplete in the voting slip box. The upper house candidates/parties were no better! The law says we have to vote, prove that I did not vote? I got my name crossed off the list and that’s all the proof they have and need.
Yeah an informal vote, but if there was no one on the list that I wanted to support/vote for, why did I need to fill in the ballot?
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Blanks are dangerous because a quick pencil later in the process might have filled your vote in for someone else.
Better to clearly write “None of the above” in black pen on your paper, to ensure no “mistake” happens during the process.
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Incomplete voting slip box? I didn’t see one of those. I did notice however that some origami skills were useful in putting the upper house ballot in the ballot box.
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Goodbye Victoria
Many people can’t believe it, including the Aussie Cossack
Watch 2 minutes of this
https://youtu.be/pwokNjTAqVY
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