A turning point maybe?
One of the top doctors in Australia Dr Kerryn Phelps — a familiar face on the news here, has come out saying that she has suffered “devastating” side effects from the Covid vaccines herself. She also says that her doctors are seeing ” ‘a lot’ of patients in a similar situation, but they are afraid to talk about it for fear of being de-registered and losing their career.
Phelps is also a bit of a darling of the left, a successful woman, married to another woman, who ran for Parliament and briefly served with a pro-climate-change agenda in a wealthy seat. It’s possible her words will give a voice to those on the other half of the political spectrum who may have said nothing or not even realized the symptoms they suffer are an adverse reaction to the vaccine. Lights may be switching on. Will it spark a wave of discussion among the left leaning? There has always been a core group of people suspicious of vaccination on the left. What if the left and right ends of the spectrum met in the middle, and realized that the real battle is The People versus Corrupt Government Agencies?
If that happens, it would strike fear into the hearts of those who signed away our rights and told us the vaccines were “safe and effective”. The idea of the left and right uniting in one joint protest is a nuclear event in politics.
Naturally, the legacy press is working hard to stop that — see the Sydney Morning Herald’s headline: “Not anti-vaxxers: Dr Kerryn Phelps says she suffered COVID vaccine injury, calls for more research.” So left leaning people who waited 18 months to talk about vaccine reactions are “people”, but those who bravely said the same things months ago are just “anti-vaxxers”.
As it happens, sadly, her wife Jackie Stricker-Phelps also suffered a bad vaccine reaction and it’s another scandal altogether that we have no idea of how many other people suffered side effects too. Any Minister of Health or Head of the TGA who cared about the health of Australians would have set up active surveillance programs and encouraged doctors to speak freely.
It’s good that she is risking her reputation to speak out now, but where was she a year ago? Lives have been lost because influential people said nothing.
Dr Kerryn Phelps reveals ‘devastating’ Covid vaccine injury, says doctors have been ‘censored’
Frank Chung, News.com
Former federal MP Dr Kerryn Phelps has revealed she and her wife both suffered serious and ongoing injures from Covid vaccines, while suggesting the true rate of adverse events is far higher than acknowledged due to underreporting and “threats” from medical regulators.
In an explosive submission to Parliament’s Long Covid inquiry, the former Australian Medical Association (AMA) president has broken her silence about the “devastating” experience — emerging as the most prominent public health figure in the country to speak up about the taboo subject.
“I continue to observe the devastating effects a year-and-a-half later with the addition of fatigue and additional neurological symptoms including nerve pains, altered sense of smell, visual disturbance and musculoskeletal inflammation. The diagnosis and causation has been confirmed by several specialists who have told me that they have seen ‘a lot’ of patients in a similar situation.”
“In my case the injury resulted in dysautonomia with intermittent fevers and cardiovascular implications including breathlessness, inappropriate sinus tachycardia and blood pressure fluctuations.”
Why do we have a TGA?
Dr Phelps said both reactions were reported to the Therapeutic Goods Administration (TGA) “but never followed up”. She revealed she had spoken with other doctors “who have themselves experienced a serious and persistent adverse event” but that “vaccine injury is a subject that few in the medical profession have wanted to talk about”.
Is the TGA protecting Australians or the Pharmaceutical industry?
Phelps speculates that 1 in 3000 adult Australians may have had a serious reaction to each Covid vaccine, so after 3 doses, that’s 1 in 1000 and rising with every booster.
Earlier this year, Dr Rado Faletic — who previously spoke out about his battle with the TGA — launched Australian advocacy group Coverse to provide support and collect testimony from those suffering vaccine injuries.
Well, they would say that:
AHPRA said in a statement that the regulator had “been clear in all of our guidance about Covid-19 vaccinations that we expect medical practitioners to use their professional judgement and the best available evidence in their practice”.
Which is patently ridiculous. I personally know at least one doctor that was forced out of a long career due to AHPRA. Then there are stories like Dr Mark Hobart and Dr Paul Osterhuis. It only takes a few deregistrations to silence 99.9% of doctors.
As Flat White at The Spectator says, it’s all there in writing: Doctors are gagged
The medical system in Australia has been fundamentally broken by the introduction of changes to the Health Practitioner National Law – first by the Queensland Labor Party and soon to be copied everywhere – to effectively gag doctors and medical professionals, threatening them with deregistration if they question the official government health advice. In addition, the Australian Health Practitioner Regulation Agency also warned that doctors caught ‘undermining’ Covid vaccines or the government rollout at the beginning of the pandemic would ‘face consequences’.
This is not an exaggeration. AHPRA’s statement to the profession in March of 2021 – which still stands – reads:
‘There is no place for anti-vaccination messages in professional health practice and any promotion of anti-vaccination claims including on social media, and advertising may be subject to regulatory action.
‘Any promotion of anti-vaccination statements or health advice which contradicts the best available scientific evidence or seeks to actively undermine the national immunisation campaign (including via social media) is not supported by National Boards and may be in breach of the codes of conduct. This includes the Medical Board’s code of conduct, Good Medical Practice, which advises doctors to consider the effect of their public comments and actions outside of work, including online, related to medical and clinical issues.
‘The position statement warns health practitioners who breach this provision may be subject to investigation and possible regulatory action and advises that health practitioners must also make sure that their social media activity is consistent with the regulatory framework for their profession and does not contradict or counter public health campaigns or messaging, such as the Australian COVID-19 Vaccination Policy.
‘The position statement reminds doctors and other health practitioners that it is an offence under the National Law to advertise a regulated health service (including via social media) in a way that is false, misleading or deceptive. Advertising that includes false, misleading or deceptive claims about COVID-19, including anti-vaccination material, may result in prosecution by Ahpra. Indeed, Ahpra suspended a doctor last year for anti-vaccination claims made on his social media.’
How false, misleading or deceptive were the claims that this medical treatment was “safe and effective” and rigorously tested?
Phelps said she “did her homework” but seemed to believe what she was told in early 2021:
‘We did a lot of homework before having the vaccine, particularly about choice of vaccine at the time. In asking about adverse side effects, we were told that “the worst thing that could happen would be anaphylaxis” and that severe reactions such as myocarditis and pericarditis were “rare”.’
Of course, those who refused the vaccine because ‘they did their own research’ were relentlessly mocked and ridiculed by government officials, health authorities, and the press.
A month after Kerryn Phelps suffered a bad reaction to her second dose she was still pushing for children to get vaccinated on Twitter. Did she think her and her wife’s reactions were freakishly unusual at this point? Is that why she said nothing, or was it fear?
‘How could we possibly reach 80% of population vaccinated or approach herd immunity until children can be vaccinated? — Kerryn Phelps on Twitter.
–– read it all at The Spectator
If Kerryn Phelps had started a conversation in August or September 2021, perhaps other doctors would have spoken up then too. Fear kept many people silent. Censorship is a life and death thing.
h/t Matthew L
I have no sympathy for them. Phelps continued to promote the vaccines for at least six months after suffering the adverse reaction. Think of all the people who have suffered in that time due to her silence. Perhaps the vaccines would have not been authorised for young kids if she had spoken up earlier. I knew the mRNA jabs were no good over two years ago and only had the Novavax jab when it became available.
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Some of us are slow learners. In spite of the adverse reaction, I suspect that Kerryn Phelps could not believe for a while that her experience was anything but a very rare exception. OK, so she’s not perfect, and she’s rather late, but Kudos to her for going public. It isn’t easy. As she says, doctors are afraid of being de-registered and losing their career. That’s why she’s the first person at her level to go public. Realistically, the collapse had to start with someone like her, and hopefully the collapse is now under way.
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Bring on the Royal Commission!!!
There has to be a Royal Commission. And it must not be allowed to sweep anything under the carpet.
This whole affair highlights the issue that “absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
In the name of emergency people were given absolute power, and they abused it. This must never be allowed to happen again.
I grew up in a world which was just beginning to get on top of polio and tetanus. I have no recollection of anybody in Australia suffering in my time from diptheria. But this CV19 is a very different matter. On the basis of evidence that I see, including, sadly, people in authority lying to us, I stand opposed to the CV19 vaccination program. And it might not be hard to convince me to oppose any compulsory vaccination program.
Dr Paul Oosterhuis was suspended by the NSW Medical Council for promoting Ivermectin. That action did indeed gag all doctors, preventing them from making any contribution to the science of the matter.
It is beyond comprehension that the primary response of authority to this pandemic could be to prohibit early treatment. THere is only one logical explanation, and that is that those authorities were “protecting” the business of the suppliers of applied resources.
Conscious of this or not, that is what they have been doing. And it is not acceptable.
Dr Russell Blaylock called it mass murder of 80% of the 800,000 people who had died in the US at the time he made the comment. There is evidence to support that call. Three different drugs had been demonstrated to reduce hospital admissions by 80%, but further trials were prohibited.
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It is better that she has spoken out than if she had not, but if you accept a great public position in our society then something might, just might, happen on your watch which morally requires you to tell the truth in real time. She didn’t.
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And also it is important to remember there are likely children (metaphorically perhaps) in the audience and thus it is important to be seen as acting in an adult manner or they will be frightened away, perhaps into the familiar purview of the perpetrators as is so often the case..
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Agreed. If it were not for the fact that Phelps and wife were injured themselves, they would still be ranting and raving about “anti-vaxxers” and “conspiracy theorists” and still supporting the deregistration of doctors who went against the narrative.
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Exactly David. The Karma Bus scored a direct hit.
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Agreed David.
Her change of heart is due mainly to the NIMBY syndrome…not in my backyard.
This syndrome also applies equally to those who are all for wind farms, solar farms, etc.etc. just as long as it doesn’t affect them.
AHPRA, AMA, TGA, politicians and the media all have a lot to answer for.
However that will be unlikely to happen.
We have been lied to, fed misinformation and dissent or opposing views have been shutdown.
I will not forget and I doubt that I will ever forgive.
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JUST like they lie about climate change and the effects of their policies… I wonder if the penny will drop for Kerryn in that direction also?
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She has only come out because she had to- open secret.
Another glaring self-centred polly who could not care about anybody else.
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The answer as to why everyone must be jabbed can be given in very few words: vaccine passports/digital ID. I think all our ‘leaders’ have signed up to this now. Digital ID plus a cashless society and we’ll be stuffed!
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I was waiting for someone to correct the nonsense that this was primarily about Big Pharma making money, though that was also true. It was about not stopping something they wanted to keep going and have complete control over – “solutions” included” and hand the costs to the public. From here they could extend the gained territory and methodology into the domains to which you refer.
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$100b in profits is $100b. Money IS power. Sure, there are other motivations, but Pfizer didn’t give these shots away and if it was “only about politics” they would have.
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I didn’t say it was only about politics but that it was PRIMARILY about pushing the borders of social control so as to assess the boundaries of public toleration and create critical control settings so as to implement the next agendas – those listed by Margaret Smith. This is substantiated by the fact that in the wake of the Covid maneuver, the WEF unleashed its plans and the drive toward digital currency became apparent. All of this has somewhat been interrupted but also brought forward by the Ukraine war.
ALL of their agendas are big money spinners for the banks and their appendages and impoverishment for nations and the majority of people. Central to all of them is politics and revolutionary social engineering.
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And the people who called out this charade early on, due to being injured by the ‘treatment’, were NOT ‘anti-vaxxers’ as they had self-evidently lined up to do their duty and ‘protect Granny.’
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Personally David i can see why it would have taken so long for Kerryn and her partner to go public.
Truly, in my opinion, the incredible power of human suggestibility and propaganda. The force is as, if not more powerful than that of an astronomical ‘black hole’ where nothing can escape and is crushed and disappears forever…’they say’.
Giving those who managed to escape the incredible gravitational pull a safe place is paramount at this time ….
Merely polarizing behavior will not do
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Phelps is still advocating for further Covid vaccinations via her membership of a self appointed group called OzSAGE.
https://ozsage.org/
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So, she and her wife are injured themselves but are still promoting the juice to others.
Isn’t one of the basic principles of medicine “primum non nocere” or “first, do no harm”? At least it used to be, back in the day.
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Soo.When do the”Nuremberg 2.0″trials begin?????????
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Unfortunately, as every country is engaging in the same Covid narrative, Nuremberg 2 won’t happen.
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I feel the same.
The fact that she continued to push the jabs, even on young children, after experiencing side effects, I find abhorrent.
All of us in the profession continue to risk deregistration, but must return to the Hippocratic Oath every time.
She has the benefit of incredible financial wealth and a strong public profile should she be deregistered.
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Doctor T, thank you for following the core ethical principles of medicine, even at risk to your livelihood. Few do, these days.
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Ask yourself this.WHY was HCQ and Invermectin taken off the market and WHY were doctors threatened with disbarment if they used either remedy???????
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WHY was HCQ and Invermectin taken off the market – seems we wont have to ask those kind of questions going forward now that Phelpsy and her assembled expert associates are on the scene.
According to their aims they are going to formulate independent advice …. with diverse and multidisciplinary perspectives. So can we assume that had ozsage already been in existence with its snot in the trough before covid they would have been one organisation diverse enough to argue the case for HCQ and Ivermectin. How brave, no money in that.
To reinforce their “diverse” credentials they also state an aim to “be an additional resource for federal and state governments, opposition, business, community”. What cock up outcomes can we expect from a group that has one foot in federal and one foot in state governments (including opposition) busily and “expertly” providing advice that supports and helps sell the policies of each respective political party view?. But then given other factors “cock ups” may be the wrong term though certainly the general outlook for voters will be eye popping.
With the Medibank train currently slowly derailing itself this all sounds like a cut and paste blueprint to build a new super express to be driven full speed into the next mountain of dollars in need of an “expert” built tunnel.
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“WHY was HCQ and Invermectin taken off the market”?
I did see that question answered sheepishly by someone in the “authority”:
“Because people might not get the vaccine”.
Not good!
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One reason is the money, the officials orderd millions of doses without chance to give back any if not used, no chance to cancel orders, what’s orderd will be deliverd ad is to pay. They are now interested to to vaxx everybody or as many as possible.
The other reason, in my opinion is, as they heard about “vaccination” they believed correctly, s.th. like normal, usual vaccines, that was, as later seen, a wrong assumption.
Hard or not possible in higher positions to admit having been totaly wrong.
That’s also certainely the reason, vaxxed people still “hate” non vaxxed.
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Sorry for some typos…
I often type to fast 😀
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Because they want to kill as many people as possible?
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I want to give you a thumbs down hoping you are wrong. But then I want to give you a thumbs up because you might be or are probably right.
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My gut feeling was the only research that I needed. As well as knowing that the jabs were an experimental (mental) gene therapy emergency approved drug that was developed at ‘warp speed’. That was enough for me and I never got the jab(s).
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Trouble is, SARS-CoV-2 was an experimental product too, that the human race had not evolved against. The idea of vaccines was good. The specific implementation was appalling.
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Emergency approval only possible because ivm and hcq were banned – another red flag. Many doctors were having great success with those established and very safe drugs. Banning them was criminal.
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Novoavax was told to have other possible problems adjuvans.
I read here in German news, some, maybe 3 month earlier, that they may have problems with myocarditis.
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/eu-regulator-says-novavax-covid-vaccine-should-carry-side-effect-warning-2022-08-03/
https://www.medsafe.govt.nz/safety/Alerts/nuvaxovid-myocarditis.asp
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>”German news”
Narrative shattering news coming out of Germany:
Dr. Malone Says the ‘Most Important Dataset of the Pandemic was Just Released’ Following Data from [German] Health Insurance Shows 4 Times Increase in Sudden Deaths Following COVID Vaccine Rollouts
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/shocking-study-reveals-massive-spike-deaths-following-forced-covid-vaccines-germany/
I suggest that the second most important has just come out of Cleveland USA:
“Unexpected”: MRNA Vaccines Increase Risk of Contracting COVID-19; Each Booster Shot Raises Risk Even More in Study of 51,000 Cleveland Clinic Workers
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/unexpected-mrna-vaccines-increase-risk-contracting-covid-19-booster-shot-raises-risk-even-study-51000-cleveland-clinic-workers/
Ambiguous meaning. I learnt early on that the best protection from the covid vax is not to have it.
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>”…risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses”
Also seems to be a risk of covid death too:
Details of COVID-19 deaths [NZ]
Age and vaccination status of deaths within 28 days of being reported as a case
Not fully vaccinated 444
Fully vaccinated 516
Received booster 2475
https://www.health.govt.nz/covid-19-novel-coronavirus/covid-19-data-and-statistics/covid-19-case-demographics#deaths
And just as the “scandal” in OZ as Jo says, there’s no data available on people like Dr Phelps and Stricker-Phelps.
In my suburb last I looked 95% were double vaxxed and 66% triple vaxxed. Many are elderly retirees. If vax injuries were to show up anywhere in NZ it would be here but there’s no data whatsoever.
Then there’s the spectre of accelerated cancers down the track which doesn’t bare thinking about. Bad enough the time, cost and effort of caregivers to normal victims like stroke without another work load to deal with and the debilitation occurring to victims.
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>”…the spectre of accelerated cancers down the track”
Steve of Cornubia at #10.1.1 reports that has already happened in his family with death occurring.
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One place for data for previously functioning elderly people is to look at the membership of bridge clubs.
Here in Australia the average age actually playing bridge is about 70 years old. They are more intelligent on average and visually used to be about 10-20 kg lighter than the average older person. I make these judgements as a long-time health researcher used to collecting data.
Before covid, club 1 (named that for privacy reasons) told me they had 600 members, now at the end of 2022 they have only 200. The general consensus was that so many elderly were now “past it”, unable to deal with the memory requirements and the complexity of the game.
Club 2, we used to attend reported that membership hadn’t changed so much as club attendances. They used to regularly get 10-16 tables of 4 people. Now they are getting 4-7 tables, over a 60% decrease. Visually the attendees looked as if they had aged 10 years in just two.
Club 3 had all sorts of reasons to justify the loss of 60-70% of playing members, none of which related to covid.
All clubs mandated at least two jabs and demanded masks be worn at all times. Before we were banned, firstly because I had a mask exemption that was not allowed, and then because we would not be jabbed, some of the elderly bridge members each week would almost faint with the masks on, reported terrible headaches wearing them, and usually one or more of them would be breathing like uncontrolled asthmatics. It was heartbreaking to watch them attempt to manage their masks. This was prior to or at the beginning of the jab mandate, so largely on the use of the mask alone.
I suspect the jabs accelerated ageing and the development of dementia, cancers, heart conditions.
Now we are allowed back at a small club with 16-20 players, 1-3 are absent each week because of medical symptoms, covid or medical appointments. Skin cancers are removed from one or two of them each month, two players are covered in new bandages every 6-8 weeks. They are having accidents, heart problems, infections and slow recoveries. Clearly this often happens in the elderly, however it didn’t happen in these numbers prior to the mandated jabs in this population.
I doubt these anecdotes would be accepted, but as a researcher I consider this group of elderly to be a key indicator group.
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These German data are heavily discussed here in Germany, main reason, the right wing party AfD published the analysis of the data done by an extern analyst.
As the data have been requested by the AfD, that’s the first reason to suspect the analysis. But the insurance data in the meantime are declared as maybe partly wrong by the insurance head organisation KBV. But some other analyst are doubtfull of that excuse.
That’s not finished yet.
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I haven’t given the matter any real study, but consider this.
It seemed to me in the early days that deaths from all causes fell noticeably. This would have to be attributed to measures that were taken in response to the pandemic.
But it couldn’t last. At some future time that would have to be offset by an increase in deaths from all causes. This needs to be kept in mind.
I also wondered as I saw figures here indicating benefits from Ivermectin could those figures have been arrived at by stopping the counting. And there did seem to be a lot more counting going on than we really needed, sufficient to promote confusion.
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The so called “right wing” party AfD alone has realistic views on CC, energy questions and vaxxes. All other parties are in line.
But in fact, not to loose out of sight, the AfD has some real right wing hardliners as members and leaders in the eastern part of Germany.
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Yes, ntgeo, my thoughts as well.
Additionally, now that she’s suffering from “devastating vaccine effects,” and probably can’t work, she no longer has to be worried about being fired, so she has nothing to lose by exposing what she should have been opposed to all along. And if she can sue them to replace her lost wages from being unable to work, all the better.
Still, while I think we should welcome her response, because it will draw attention to the plights of so many others, we need to keep in mind that it isn’t the result of any personal courage on her part. It’s all about what’s best for her, not for her patients. She’s no heroine.
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ntgeo. Forgiveness and good will is essential. Without it there is no progress.
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‘Any promotion of anti-vaccination statements or health advice which contradicts the best available scientific evidence.” The best available scientific evidence is a bit problematic since we now know that what was coming from Fauci and the CDC was advice approved by big pharma. From the beginning there were doctors and scientists who were alert to studies showing adverse effects and efficacy issues who were being muzzled by big tech and ridiculed by radio commentators. Even this morning Joe Hildebrand on 2GB was castigating Dr. Phelps for speaking out. He was referring to the large numbers of cases of Covid at the moment, including in aged care facilities, and the need to be boosted. The facility where my wife resides, unfortunately, had 10 cases in the past fortnight but no serious illnesses. Life went on pretty much as normal, masks, RA tests and staying out if not well, the common sense action for any bug including the seasonal flu which seems to be absent this year although we are in the country.
The advice that everyone should do their own research and decide for themselves whether to take the shot is also disingenuous since peoples livelihoods were on the line if they refused. What doctor was going to do what was right by their patient by telling us that the vaccines were dangerous and ineffective when they were being threatened with deregistration if they did so? Governments and bureaucrats have a lot to answer for and should be held accountable for their disinformation and coercion.
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There are no bad vaccines. If it is called a vaccine, it must be good. 🙂 Even if the U.S. President gets a COVID after two doses of vaccine and two boosters. He will get boosted again in six weeks.
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Let’s hope so…
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That phrase:
also lit up for me. The people who held the strongest evidence were very selective in which evidence they made available.
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Yes, Lawrie, “…the best available scientific evidence…” needs to be corrected. Because there was no “scientific evidence” “available,” there could be no “best” of it, and the “best” of nothing is (at best 😁) still nothing. So that suggests a rewrite to “…the propaganda on offer…”.
Lesson? If they have to not only lie to us, but threaten us with punishments as bad or worse than what they are forcing on us, or what they claim to be protecting us from, then our best interests aren’t at all a priority for them, not even remotely. They have abrogated their mandate to lead us.
The question then becomes, with whom do we replace them, and how?
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Nothing trivial I hope.
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The research was there for anyone who cared to look. SARS is similar enough to Covid (SARS-CoV-2) that the same problems likely apply to vaccines for both. And SARS vaccines had a lot of problems.
For example Immunization with SARS coronavirus vaccines leads to pulmonary immunopathology on challenge with the SARS virus was written in 2012.
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Not many of us know where to look, how to look, how to understand research papers. To think the world of full of clones of JoNova or WUWT readers is fantastical.
Many people are so busy trying to pay the bills, support the kids at school and sports, patch up teenagers emotional crises, and maintain adult relationships that trusting the 6 o’clock news and government pronouncements is a viable way of accessing information that’s needed.
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I found this study in early 2021. I used the search term “SARS vaccine pathology”.
Doctors should have looked.
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With Warren and Mitchell, all the others had to do was look. It would have been that easy. But they refused to look. 20 years later, W&M got the Nobel Prize. Be grateful that Kerryn Phelps is exposing the ‘vaccine’ scam in a lot less than 20 years.
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– Warren and Marshall.
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You are correct Gerry. Busy people lead busy lives so the news they do get should be beyond reproach and accurate. Unfortunately we have learned that the MSM is in the pocket of big business and big government and will disseminate whatever they are told. Before I retired and had the time to look at sites like Jo’s and WUWT I was persuaded by the CO2 is heating the planet “news”. That is why the lies told by government bodies such as the BoM and CSIRO are so damaging to science and our lives. Think of the billions wasted on unreliables, the increase in power prices and the loss of manufacturing because of crap science and even crappier scientists. The same applies to the Covid fiasco. The MSM is to blame for all our problems and should, rightly, be sidelined as they increasingly are. The recent Munk debate in Toronto (reported in the Quadrant) ended with 2/3 rds of the audience agreeing that one should not trust the media. That is also reflected in falling sales of magazines and papers and poor viewer numbers for TV. Channel 10 recorded a record 44 viewers for a much hyped programme, 44 in a Nation of 25 million. Meanwhile an online outlet “The Gateway Pundit” is nearing 3 trillion views averaging a million page views a day. Indeed if one wants to read all the news there are not enough hours in the day.
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Yes… the MSM has let down the population massively. The vast majority of journalists seem lazy, ignorant and uninterested in the the world and the humans populating it.
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@Gerry: You missed “malicious”.
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Yes, most don’t know, but it’s important to know where to find sources, like here f.e.
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G’day Gerry,
Overall I agree with you, except for the verb “is” in your final sentence. I suggest more accurate usage would the past tense “used to be”, giving “… used to be a viable…”.
Cheers
Dave B
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I stand corrected ….of course ….”is” is not right, “are” is.
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OK, since we’re picking nits, I think “…needs to be…” is the best replacement.
That said, I think the 3 of us are on the same page on that.
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Commonsense should have come into play, no one was dropping in the streets, no one other then people with co morbidity were dying, until, the still in trial vaccines were introduced, the rest is history.
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Let’s not forget the recent Queensland legislation that makes it illegal for doctors to contradict the CHO. The public don’t know or care about this.
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Has the centrally coordinated character assassination campaign started yet?
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I get the feeling that Central Coordination is scared and contemplating escape routes.
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My doctor speaks very carefully. I get the message, but their job stays safe. It shouldn’t be like this, of course, but it’s a bit much to expect others to lose their jobs when it won’t help anyone. It takes someone of the stature of Kerryn Phelps – ie, someone very difficult to tear down – to speak out in order for there to be any progress.
Honk R Smith asks “Has the centrally coordinated character assassination campaign started yet?”. There may well be one, but I think that Kerryn Phelps is someone on whom such a campaign will backfire. I hope so.
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I had quite the opposite experience with my EX doctor, who my wife used to see, too. He is quite an affable chap, happy to talk, but he expressed exasperation with those of us holding out against the vaccine and said (I kid you not), “They should just put the vaccine in the water supply and get it over with.”
We have a new doctor.
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Fortunately when I asked my doctor if he had the jab he told me he & his mother had, & volunteered that his wife, also a doctor, & adult kids had not. Enough for my family to say no thanks.
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She’s a prodigal daughter driven by the same fear most Australian doctors were driven by but probably was uncancellable given her standing in the woke community and her intersectionality. Perhaps from her vantage point she was as vulnerable as every other doctor?
My wife believed the propaganda of the health industry, media and governments and vaccinated people. She vaccinated people. She believed that people wouldn’t give out bad untested products for public consumption. She will be heartbroken when she realises the impact of the vaccines.
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I know of a NZ pharmacist working on a visa here in Australia whom refused to vaccinate and take the Covid vaccine. One of her young staff members in the end suffered myo and peri carditis, along with loss of her unborn child.
The pharmacist had her visa cancelled and was deported back to NZ, the NZ gov revoked her qualifications and licence and she spent some time in detention in NZ. The pharmacy in question in Australia closed for a period.
What an absolute disgrace our government, the TGA and APRHA have become. It will be years before the medical system here recovers its reputation if ever!
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The second part of the story is how the young pharmacy assistant’s doctor and specialist were treated when they recommended that the Covid vaccines removal from use. The health bureaucracy (not qualified doctors) threatened them all to silence them!
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We live in ugly times.
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Undeniable.
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” It will be years before the medical system here recovers its reputation if ever!”
Hopefully never! The medics had an undeserved reputation as knights in shining armour, something that was faked from the day pharmaceutical companies came knocking. They are nothing more than middle-men selling pills and could easily be replaced by pharmacists using Google!
Even with Govt subsidies they are an expensive trade, you have to see two of them to get a diagnosis, you can’t trust the first one!
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Unintended (?) Consequences.
Not sure what a “medic” is there, but in the US we have “nurse practitioners.” I’ve had a couple who were, in my experience, better than the doctors they worked for. Also had pharmacists who caught Rx errors, one potentially life threatening. Those are just two of the essential links in the health care chain that cannot afford to be broken.
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‘ We did a lot of homework before having the vaccine’
What morons. The inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone had been warning about these ‘vaccines’ right from the very beginning. It actually proves the ignorance of the former head of the Australian Medical Association. I am disgusted. Was she just appointed because she had the right gender/sexual orientation?
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I seem to recall she came out after she came to prominence as the AMA President.
As for her research, well what was there to research? The only salient information was that all of the three “vaccines” underwent development in a compressed time frame. That fact alone should have set the alarm bells ringing loudly and been an argument for caution.
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RobB,
The leader of the Storemen and Packers Union was not typically a great storeman or packer; the leader of the AMWSU wasn’t usually a great metalworker or ship builder, so there’s little reason to think the leader of the Doctors Union should be a top-flight doctor.
One thing that has become clear during the COVID capers is that the AMA serves doctors just as badly as other unions have served their members. Rather than push back against the outrageous overreach of the AHPRA, they’ve backed it up.
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There isn’t one institution that hasn’t been co-opted to the agendas of the New World Order. That includes what’s left of the unions. This is quite amazing.
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Anyone who understood the functions of mRNA in the body should also have been suspicious of these particular jabs. How could they not set up an autoimmune reaction was my first thought. .. how is teaching the body to make spike protein by its own cells going to produce an antibody response to itself?
Graham Hood spoke to three drs last night , Phillip Altman, pharmacologist, Ted Steele, immunologist and Chris Neill, cardiologist on Dr Phelps revelations. Some interesting details came out including the pointlessness of vaccination for a respiratory disease.
https://rumble.com/v21p3hy-doctors-with-voices-211222-dr-phelps-unpacked..html
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Great link, Brenda Spence. A discussion showing the problem of Government censoring of citizens.
When we put governments and their bureaucracies in a position to make decisions on our behalf, based on their own abstract policies,
we need an independent media prepared to ask probing questions and seeking accountability of that govt/bureaucracy regardless of their
own political preferences.
Here’s a debate on the proposition “We cannot trust the Mainstream Media”. Supporting this position, Matt Tabbi and Douglas Murray.
Debate starts about 4.20 on. https://vimeo.com/munkdebates/review/775853977/85003a644c?#
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Wow! I just got around to watching your link. That’s amazing! Thank you.
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@RobB
“ The inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone had been warning about these ‘vaccines’ right from the very beginning.”
No. Not “from the very beginning.” FYI, Robert Malone himself had the shot. As he admitted, he had to travel and couldn’t unless he was inoculated.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DebateVaccines/comments/rtpv2o/why_did_dr_malone_get_vaccinated/
I, and probably many others, unfortunately used that as a reason to not avoid the first two shots. I mean, if the inventor isn’t spooked enough to avoid them, why should I be? (Poor choice, but there it is)
His rhetoric has evolved over time, like that of other “experts.” By the time more info became available, it was too late to dodge that bullet. Fortunately by the time they were pushing boosters I realized the danger, and have gotten no more. Bottom line, when the shots were first rolled out I still didn’t know enough to say “NO!”, but now I do.
I’m retired, have time to investigate, know a bit how to, was and still am; so I can’t fault those who have family and work demands that prevent them. The reasons to reject it just weren’t widely enough available at the time. They are NOT morons! It’s not their fault! The blame lies squarely with those tasked with keeping us informed – Drs, journalists, politicians, … who should have warned us but didn’t. They were, and remain, the ones to blame.
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OK, but this video dates from June 2021. It was actually deleted by Youtube:
https://rumble.com/vijpp5-how-to-save-the-world-in-3-easy-steps…covid-19-perspectives-from-an-exper.html
Brett Weinstein interviews Robert Malone and Steve Kirsch. They review the science at that time.
Faced with the worst pandemic since the Spanish flu, Phelps should have been on top of this stuff.
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“ Phelps should have been on top of this stuff.”
Oh, Yes. That’s her job. She certainly should have known by then, a year and a half into the “pandemic,” at least that something wasn’t right. And if she were good at her job, then definitely she should have been on top of this well before June of 2021.
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PS – Thanks for that video.
Fellow on the right observes that it’s taken her 19 months for all the pennies to drop. The fellow on the right then talks about living in a bubble.
No surprise they aren’t on YouTube.
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Oops, second one is on left screen, not right. Sorry.
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Regardless of the scientific debate regarding the so-called vaccines, the stark reality is that we have always known that the vaccines were not tested in accordance with the normal US regulations for vaccines. We all knew that these were experimental and therefore we all knew that this was a huge risk that very easily could turn bad. You don’t need to be able to read scientific papers to know that the risk was high, you just had to dig and find out how many potential medicines have been rejected/discarded in the past due to unacceptable side effects. The chances of the covid vaccines being safe was very slim. There was no excuse for anybody other than the most mentally feeble, to take these vaccines with an assessment of them posing a low risk of side effects.
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I never had any sympathy for “ex”-Nazis or “ex” Communists etc. who repented after the damage was done.
This is no different.
The fact that it took supposed personal “tragedy” for her to wake up makes it even more woeful.
I am sure that those who lost family thanks to that which she pushed will have little compassion for her as well.
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Just put this article on face book. Will be interesting to see how long it stays up. Perhaps everyone here should do the same. The person involved should make it hard to deny.
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” saying that she has suffered “devastating” side effects ”
Many Covid-issue stories leave me wondering. In this case what does “devastating” mean, and …
” her doctors are seeing ” ‘a lot’ of patients in a similar situation,”
“Doctors” plural — are these doctors treating the side effects or what? How many folks have multiple doctors? Not me.
Next, there are “a lot” of patients with similar situation. Does this mean there is a cluster in a geographic area or are the patients coming from all over OZ or because “her doctors” are specialists in great demand?
Are there similarities among the “lot of patients” or might they be somewhat of a random sample?
Too many unanswered questions! From the beginning of this Covid Panic the “good doctors fauchi” have not been forthright with us.
I don’t think they are yet! 😒
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As in the case of the Phelps household, my own household had two people vaccinated who each suffered supposedly “rare” serious side effects- effects which have persisted.
Also, as in the case of the Phelps case, my own cardiologist reported to me that he had a number of patients who developed similar conditions shortly after CoV-2 vaccination.
There does not appear to be any coordinated investigation of these “patients”, so the question may never be definitively answered.
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In my own small family we have had two suffer serious side effects plus one dies from a cancer which appeared suddenly and almost exploded within her body, it grew so fast. Also, one of the two with serious reactions was diagnosed with a pre-cancerous brain tumour.
Meanwhile, almost all who were vaccinated have gone on to catch Covid multiple times.
I am currently concerned for the health of my 40yo son, who had two jabs. He was admitted to hospital a couple of days ago with a collapsed lung. So far, the doctors have offered no explanation for this, there being no obvious cause. That said, ‘spontaneous’ lung collapse is apparently a thing. Nevertheless, I worry every time any of my vaccinated relatives take ill.
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Aspiration of injections is a possible contributory factor, has this been mentioned in Australia? It used to be standard, to reduce the risk of injecting into a vein, but that is no longer the case.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8783631/
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Dr John Campbell is a big advocate of aspiration of injections, especially for potentially deadly ones like the covid “vaccines” if they are accidentally injected into veins or arteries.
It used to be standard procedure, but perhaps the medical community got complacent before the covid vaccines and it was assumed that all vaccines were properly tested and even accidental injection into the circulatory system would have no harmful consequences.
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As the vaxxes contain the mRNA in nanoparticles, “knowing” no frontiers, and and muscles are full with veins or arteries, even smallest, because of the work they have to do. You can’t avoid bless the one or the other.
I remember, as I was young, they used the upper part of the bottom for injections, it’s less blood flowed.
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“they used the upper part of the bottom for injections”
Ahh, those terrible words for a child.. ‘just roll over onto your tummy…’ My bum still tweaks when I think of it!
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Dr. Eli David
@DrEliDavid
New study from Cleveland Clinic: The more doses of Covid vaccine, the more incidence of Covid. Perfect dose-dependent response 👇
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“Unexpected”: MRNA Vaccines Increase Risk of Contracting COVID-19; Each Booster Shot Raises Risk Even More in Study of 51,000 Cleveland Clinic Workers
A stunning pre-print study by the Cleveland Clinic published Monday at medRxiv shows that MRNA vaccines raise the risk of contracting COVID-19 and that each MRNA vaccine booster increases the risk of contracting COVID-19, while those who have not received any MRNA vaccine have the lowest risk of contracting COVID-19. While the increased risk was relatively minimal, the result is the opposite of how the vaccines have been sold and mandated by government authorities. The highest risk was for those who received more than three vaccines.
The study was reported by the Cleveland Clinic’s Nabin K. Shrestha, Patrick C. Burke, Amy S. Nowacki, James F. Simon and Amanda Hagen, Steven M. Gordon.
Quote from the study: “The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses in our study, was unexpected.”
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Who will know, knows – why “unexpected” ???
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That is certainly happening in my family, most of whom live back in the UK.
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From the beginnings of mRNA research (decades ago) the concept of Antibody Dependent Enhancement (ADE) was observed in mice trials. Vaccinated mice exposed to the “Wild” virus were then way more susceptible to infection/symptoms/death than the comparative control group. ADE is also called pathogenic priming. It’s one of the reasons that mRNA tech hadn’t become commercial until COVID. There were a lot of people in vaccine technology who knew this.
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This is interesting.
If you do a Goolag search for “kerryn Phelps vaccine” without quote marks you actually get this story.
In other words, Goolag isn’t (yet) down-ranking or making invisible the story in the search results like it would if it was about a non-Leftist.
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https://dailysceptic.org/2022/12/21/covid-infection-risk-increases-with-number-of-vaccine-doses-by-up-to-300-study-finds/
“A secondary aim was to look at the effectiveness of earlier doses, and the results were, the researchers say, “unexpected”.
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(MY EMPHASIS)
https://spectator.com.au/2022/12/kerryn-phelps-vaccine-injuries-the-silence-is-deafening/
SEE LINK FOR REST
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COVID Accountability, Not Amnesty: The Shocking Vaccine Numbers Public Health Leaders Are Ignoring
Over a dozen expert witnesses testified during Sen. Ron Johnson’s (R-Wis.) recent roundtable discussion on the COVID-19 vaccines. These men and women are physicians and researchers who were held in high esteem before the pandemic. However, their opinions are suppressed, mocked, and ignored because of their unwillingness to ignore the glaring trends they observed in the data and the patients for whom they cared.
The penalties for speaking out against the preferred narrative were swift and severe. They ranged from social media censorship to threats against a doctor’s medical license. Now, the only high-profile public officials who will convene groups of experts who have the courage to dissent from the preferred public health narrative are Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and Johnson.
When Johnson held his most recent event, several experts brought data sets to share with the group. From stillbirths to vaccine injuries, it is data the mainstream media won’t cover and our public health establishment ignores. Yet, taxpayer dollars are still funding the Department of Health and Human Services to function as the PR firm for Big Pharma’s COVID vaccine. Look at the agency’s Twitter profile or watch any streaming service, and you will see the ads.
However, the testimony in Johnson’s roundtable tells a very different story about how the mass vaccination program has affected people. Josh Stirling is a highly respected insurance industry research analyst working with a group of senior insurance industry executives called the Insurance Collaboration to Save Lives. They convened because of concern about rising rates of death and illness across the population.
“Ultimately, and of course what you imagine we’ve seen, is things like rising morbidity from lots of different types of harm. From like blood clotting, female fertility issues, obviously lots of nervous system and cardiac and multi-system problems,” Stirling said. “Lots of different signals. And to Ed’s [Dowd] point, clearly continuing excess mortality.” Stirling cited CDC numbers, which still show 10-15% excess mortality every week.
Then he shared data from the UK that the health agencies stopped collecting over the summer. It demonstrated that the all-cause mortality rate for the vaccinated is 26% higher than for their non-vaccinated fellow citizens. Under the age of 50, that differential explodes to 49%. The partially vaccinated showed up to a 145% higher mortality rate.
Stirling acknowledges this is counterintuitive until you realize that people took the first dose and stopped taking any further doses. Disproportionately, according to Stirling, these people suffered serious harm from the vaccine. According to the CDC, about 12% of Americans stopped after one dose. If the findings in the UK were applied to the United States, Stirling predicts further study would find an excess of approximately 600,000 deaths per year related to the COVID vaccine.
The next speaker, flight surgeon LTC Teresa Long, shared her observations after the vaccine mandate in the Department of Defense. She made her comments under whistleblower protection. Long testified previously about startling rises in illness and disability in the DOD health systems. She updated the data on reportable events at the roundtable. A reportable event is defined as an inherent significant threat to public health and military operations. It represents severe, life-threatening clinical manifestations that disrupt military training and deployment.
These events increased by 37% between 2020 and 2021 and an additional 34% in 2022. The four-year average of reportable health events through 2019 is just under 41,000. In 2022, there were nearly 206,000. The vaccine was introduced to the military in January 2021.
Long says these numbers align with the statistically significant rise in vaccine adverse events among military members reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). The CDC provided her with data for 34,000 injury reports and 119 deaths following the COVID vaccine. The total number of deaths from COVID-19 infection reported by the military was 93. “Clearly, the risk of the vaccine has already outweighed the benefit,” Long concluded.
In another segment, Dr. Kirk Milhoan, a double board-certified pediatric cardiologist, discussed the acknowledged risk of myocarditis following COVID vaccines. He outlined research that definitively links the spike protein on the SARS-CoV-2 virus to the inflammation of the heart muscle. “Let that sink in: The current public health plan is to ask our body to make a cardiotoxin,” Milhoan asserted.
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And here is the backlash from the Left….
I’m surprised this nonsense appeared in the Daily Mail, a normally rational publication.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11560629/Coivd-anti-vaxxers-hijack-Kerryn-Phelps-Pfizer-jab-injury-story.html
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Kerryn is a little late to the party. As a country G.P., none of the Coof nonsense made sense. A bioengineered variety of the common cold was to treated like an Ebola outbreak. Then came “Flatten curve” anti social distancing, obsessive surface cleaning and hand cleansing, masking etc. What got me is the PCR testing- during this time I as a G.P. could not order a PCR test for other infections! The early testing was 1/200 positive. I thought it was a colossal waste of time and money. AHPRA are one of the corrupt agencies that are completely and utterly “Woke”. TGA is practically funded by Pfizer et al. The conflicts of interest of those in power are overt yet ignored. Hearing the public servants grilled in Senate reveals more Woke ness. I am happy to call Coof /mRNA jabs a two part bioweapon, of which the long range consequences to breaking down society to a new “Dark Age”.
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And, just to make it all more interesting, the whole PCR thing is dodgy.
Polymerase Chain Reaction is a STATISTICAL analyses procedure that involve a lot of “oversampling.
It is not some “maagic” pathology-lab breakthrough.
The bloke who actually INVENTED it has demised, but his warnings about abuse of the process were on the inter-tubes, last time I looked.
“Unintended Consequences”? Now, there is an interesting bed-time book.
The “bad-bits” of this caper are ANYTHING but “unintended”.
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Note to rational thinkers.
Hooked into Phelps’ claims are the groundwork of preparation of ideas that past promoters of the covid vaccine and its supposed safety and the denigration of sceptics that Phelps et al engaged in, is the idea that they were following “the best available science”.
That was never the case.
There was clear evidence of the dangers and the lack of testing from the very beginning plus the silencing and deplatforming and even sacking/firing of eminent experts.
And there was plenty of evidence for the safety and efficacy of alternative anti-virals such as HCQ and IVM taken according to published protocols.
Don’t fall for Leftist propaganda and grant people like Phelps a “pandemic amnesty”, see link.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
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This is correct. One did not need to be a scientist or doctor to credibly criticise the vaccine. Rather, the strong hand tactics of regulators should have been enough for any open-minded person to at least delay getting the vaccine. That Phelps only objects to the silencing of doctors once she has personal experience of the potential damaging effects of the vaccine is to prove she is no hero in coming out with her story now.
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Sadly I have completely lost all respect for our medical community in Canada. They all surrendered like sheep to the federal government telling them what the “science” was. I understand how difficult it would be to stand up in the face of persecution and threat of losing your license, but they swore an oath that they abandoned with absolutely no pushback. I used to wonder why good people didn’t push back against the Hitler regime. Well, we have now seen how it played out against the medical nazis.
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For past promoters of the covid vaccine and false claims of its safety when the real and widely accessible science showed evidence of its dangers, don’t forgive, don’t forget.
And don’t let them rewrite the history of what really happened.
It’s all documented here in Jo’s blog.
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This is one of the more remarkable and disturbing anti vaxxer sites I have seen. I expect it will be taken down one day, maybe one day fairly soon as public opinion gradually changes.
https://www.sorryantivaxxer.com/
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ps,
for entertainment read the Fan Mail!
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“It’s all documented here in Jo’s blog.” ..which vanished three weeks later in some unexplained Govt censorship..
It does worry me, there is so much vital information spread through these pages.
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I’ve never had any time for Dr Phelps but at least she’s prepared to honestly record her own personal history this time.
But because this is very personal for her and her partner we know this is the main reason for her protest.
Of course these same left wing loonies are now telling us we must use the Covid example to further stampede the electorate towards more ruinous action on their so called Climate change.
And this at a time of very benign climate and rapidly increasing HEALTH and WEALTH over the last 50 years. Just look up the DATA.
But very few people check the data for themselves and so many readily parrot whatever the MSM, pollies, so called scientists etc tell them to BELIEVE.
When will people WAKE UP that their so called Climate change agenda is the most RUINOUS FRAUD and CON TRICK in Human history?
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Phelps certainly does not understand statistics.
What is the probability that both her and her wife have an adverse reaction if the chance is 1/1000?
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The probability of two independent events happening twice in a row would be one in a million in this case, assuming 1/1000 adverse events but the true figure for adverse events would be much more common than 1 in 1000.
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You are a Gentleman and a Scholar David!
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The chance that once one person in a household has an adverse reaction, the other person subsequently suffers a similar reaction if the event has a probability of 1 in a thousand?
Answer: one in five hundred.
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For two independent events A and B to simultaneously occur:
P(A and B) = P(A)⋅P(B)
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Thanks David,
Correct.
As you point out in #23.1 the issue is independent events.
However we see that Dr Phelps and her wife share certain characteristics.
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Obviously [snip]
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Hi David, reminds me of the Irish 747 captain, who read that the chance of a bomb on his aircraft was 1:10,000, and that the chance of 2 bombs was !:100,000,000.
Thereafter, he always carried his own bomb.
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AHPRA, seems to be equating any normal reports of reactions as an antivaccination action if publicised. That is wrong. It appears to be using any form of words exposing the problems with the so called vaccines as an antivax movement and takes that as a legal basis to rub doctors out.
The most obvious fact based on medicolegal arguments in the past, is that the TGA appears to have cleared the drugs for use as vaccines BUT it has not provided the information on the damaging side effects that can come with administering those drugs. As I understand it, for some reason the complete known facts re these drugs (as known to the Pharmaceutical companies at the outset), will not be revealed for 70+years. That’s like the death of JFK!
Under government orders over not revealing these side effects, nobody administering these drugs has full knowledge of the medications they are injecting. It follows therefore that nobody has been capable of giving full knowledge to the patient to enable full consent. Did any of them seek full disclosure before injecting. This likely negative itself is bad enough, breaking a fundamental principle of medical treatment which is for both the patient and the doctor to have full knowledge before the administration of, or performance of any medical procedure. Unless the government has provided legal coverage for everyone that has been involved in the administration of these drugs, it would seem every one of them and the medical departments involved stand liable for medical malpractice where injury has occured or even in the performance of the process in the first place.
I’m no lawyer, but these were the conditions under which we had to practice medicine. It is one thing for AHPRA to threaten doctors with deregistration, but in fact it’s beyond time that doctors and patients counter-threatened these government bodies, and if necessary those administering these medications, if that’s what it takes to get the resumption of medicine performed under the principles of safe practice. What is currently happening is government forcing people to have themselves injected with substances where the government is the only one that has full knowledge of the side effects. Some of those side effects are deadly but governments don’t inform anyone of the possibilities.
Phelps and partner are unfortunate to have possibly been harmed by the current practice, and I wish them well. However, Dr Phelps has a well known political history and seems loved by many in the press. She has the power to be heard and the brain to spell all this stuff out to governments. Governments are controlled by politicians. Politicians loathe complaints coming from too many people due to their political decisions. Dr Phelps has the power to blow this nightmare right open, and she would easily get the legal backing of lawyers to begin a class action if necessary. It seems too many people have had problems but been individually fobbed off by the powers that be. Therefore, it has reached the stage of injured people coming together and speaking en mass to the government via the law and the press as loudly as possible. That’s the only way to crack the governments.
This is not antivaccine, and never has been. It is anti bad medicine aimed at saving people from severe and sometimes fatal injury. AHPRA and the TGA cannot hide behind it being antivax any longer, taking away the livelihoods of doctors doing their duty, just as they also caused many people to lose their jobs, and businesses for refusing to partake of the drugs under government edict.
All drugs can claim to be wonderful for what they do, and many are, but what the government has done is sell the benefits and refuse to complete the legal requirement detailing the side effects. Those side effects seem more prevalent and severe with these drugs than most new drugs.
The problems are still being defined. Were they known before release? That’s government failure and abuse of power enforced by rough policing against those speaking up. People are rightfully speaking up because they were never given full knowledge before injection. That’s bad medicine and bad politics and governments are hopefully going to regret the stance they have taken. Enough PATIENTS have to speak in public forums to embarrass these formal government bodies to open up.
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The probability of two independent events happening twice in a row would be one in a million in this case, assuming 1/1000 adverse events but the true figure for adverse events would be much more common than 1 in 1000.
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That was meant to be a reply to Simon Thompson.
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“We did a lot of homework before having the vaccine, particularly about choice of vaccine at the time. In asking about adverse side effects, we were told that “the worst thing that could happen would be anaphylaxis” and that severe reactions such as myocarditis and pericarditis were rare.”
How very thorough and professional. Did she do all that every time she prescribed a new medication to her patients? Let me guess …
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Regards your article:
Quote: … “the introduction of changes to the Health Practitioner National Law …”
If you needed any proof regards who the Govt really listens to:
The Health Practitioner Regulation National Law and Other Legislation Amendment Act 2022 (Qld) was passed with flying colours.
See link: https://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/view/whole/html/asmade/act-2022-022
3rd Reading: 13 October 2022
Assented: 21 October 2022
This was after the mandatory advice given by the Qld – Health and Environment Committee
See Report No. 21, 57th Parliament – Health Practitioner Regulation National Law and Other Legislation Amendment Bill 2022
https://www.parliament.qld.gov.au/Work-of-Committees/Committees/Committee-Details?cid=0&id=4162
[page 3] 1.5 Should the Bill be passed?
Standing Order 132(1) requires the committee to determine whether or not to recommend that the Bill be passed.
After examining the Bill, including its policy objectives, and the evidence and information provided by Queensland Health, submitters and witnesses, the committee recommends that the Bill be passed.
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Politicians telling doctors how to practice medicine is just practicing medicine w/o a license. It will end up about as disastrously as one would expect.
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Based on the use of the search function on the ABC news site, it seems the crack journalists over there haven’t heard about Phelp’s statements.
Surprise!
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You can see the same corruption of science by the Left with the covid vaccine disaster as with the anthropogenic global warming fraud.
The main falsehoods they promote are:
1) Scientific fact is decided by “consensus”.
2) There is such a thing as “settled science”.
3) Dissenting opinions must be repressed.
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Dogs bark. Bees sting. The Left corrupts everything. It’s just who they are.
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I have now become the Weirdo conspiracy theorist, I had hoped I would not turn into. I now follow the money as my first rule. Whether its big pharma profits from patented new vaccines (vs off patent, cheap, repurposed drugs) or GP’s being paid extra to COVID vaccinate their patients, same rule applies. In early 2021 my GP couldn’t wait to ask if I wanted the jab when I went for an annual health check up. He was very disappointed when I said no. Doctoring and medicine are businesses after all.
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I am a doctor
I had 2 astra zeneca vaccines when first came out, then the booster was pfizer December 2021.
I then had 4 months of severe lethargy/lack of energy starting the day after the pfizer vaccine. My wife who is a nurse had the same combination of vaccines also developed the 4 months of severe lethargy after the vaccine.
I am an ultramarathon trail runner, running 100km events several times per year and running at Parkrun each weekend and doing minimum 70km training per week.
I did no events more than 15km at the start of the year as I was too unwell and my times at Parkrun dropped by 2 minutes for 5km. It is only in the last 6 weeks that I have gotten back to my pre-vaccination speed at Parkrun.
My practice stopped administering the vaccine to anyone soon after myself and several other staff became unwell after the third vaccine (all pfizer) done and I have sworn I will never, ever get that style of vaccine again.
Our children are also un-vaccinated.
My wife got covid – moderate respiratory infection 36 hours and lingering mild cough for a few weeks.
My kids – no infections.
Me – no infection despite well over 50 close contacts both indoors and outdoors.
Have we had asymptomatic infections or just really hard to catch for us? Who knows?
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I had two astrazeneca. After the first I developed atrial fibrillation (had it previously years ago and had the ablation treatment and was Af free until just after the first shot) and had a cardioversion and a change of medication which has kept me free again.
After the second shot I had a sudden big rise in previously well controlled hypertension (110-120/70). Was told I was already on the maximum doses of antihypertensives and told nothing else could be done. Many months later the blood pressure has drifted down to upper limits of acceptance but never back to the lowish figures I had pre injection 2. I had a third dose, pfizer, with no reaction. I won’t try another unless COVID becomes much more threatening and the ‘vaccines’ are fully disclosed. The antivirals would seem the preferred way to go until full disclosure is available on vaccines. If that’s anti vaccination then I’ll go jump. It’s called self preservation based on the science that escapes the government’s ban on disclosure.
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Interesting post, George.
Iw as initially jabbed twice with Astrazenica; them Pfizer was the “only thing on offer”
When I questioned the young jabberette about such a cocktail, I was basically patted on my old grey head and told it was all OK.
Just for giggles, I checked the pharma equivalent of the MSDS for a couple of these concoctions.
The general drift was DO NOT mix the brews / “cross the streams”. The on-line versions of these documents currently available may NOT be the same ones I saw a year go; just sayin’.
What chance that there was ZERO field testing of the consequences of “cocktailing” these brews.
Given the timeline from first panic to mass jabbing, I would posit that there was ZERO research into this and the MSDS warning was part of the standard CYA “copy and paste” / “document template” library. I saw a LOT of copy and paste “engineering” documents in my time reading construction specifications for major subcontracting tenders. A couple of “consultants” were notorious for their sloppy wording and “recycling” of older specifications, without proofreading by anyone vaguely competent.
Any bets that the pharma racket is just as cavalier and arrogant? Then there are the zillion-dollar babies in the “government watchhdog” packs.
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I am a doctor and held by the code of conduct so cannot discuss my experience with the vaccine (pfizer)
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AHPRA already suspended my REGO as a G.P., so I have no such qualms. Please enlighten me George, where does the copious woke policy of AHPRA arise from? I don’t recall doctors being asked before being “regulated” to the n’th degree. Fascism is alive and well with AHPRA (and TGA).
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AHPRA and just about all government organisations (and many others) are now run by and for bureaucrats and are not run for the benefit of the geneeral public or their customers.
See Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy, and you will understand:
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A good friend resigned from medicine over a number of issues. One that stuck out was his glib comment “AHPRA has been corrupted”. He and his colleagues know that they could easily treat COVID if left alone to practice medicine.
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Don’t anyone expect the TGA to investigate vaccine adverse effects. That’s not their job, they only evaluate and approve new drugs/ vaccines etc based on what data packages they are given. It would need a totally independent national ( or perhaps state) body to properly investigate. The Australian TGA are just rubber stampers and take their lead from the FDA. The FDA is hopelessly compromised by the influence of the pharmaceutical companies, which means the TGA is the same. Any major investigations into adverse effects from major drugs ( eg Vioxx)in the past were initiated by independent groups or individuals. The TGA didn’t even have sufficient staff to evaluate the COVID vaccine applications. They actually borrowed staff from other government departments, no-one of which were versed in vaccine technology.
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In Germany, the PEI (Paul Ehrlich Institut) is obliged to analyse vaxx side effects resp. health problems probably associated with vaxxes reported by the head organisation of health insurances.
You know what they did ?
Nothing, as they admitted 😀
The German Secretary of State for Health, Lauterbach, is passive too, no action announced against the PEI.
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Krish, we have effectively 2 major political parties in Australia. During COVID ( 2020/21) its was the Liberal National Party who oversee all the COVID policies. They are now in opposition – so they are not going to push for any inquiry type process and implicate themselves. The Labor party are in power now and they used COVID for political purposes and couldn’t wait to criticise the LNP over slow vaccine rollouts etc. They criticised anyone who was a vaccine “realist” and generally just fell in line with any proclamations from our federal health bureaucrats. So, the present incumbent party (Labor) are probably not going to initiate any investigations. Nearly all our politicians employed the COVID zero, vaccine only solution. We even had a state opposition party (LNP) who refused to criticise police when they fired rubber bullets at freedom protesters (Melbourne, Victoria). More recently, the Federal and state governments are co- sponsoring a Moderna production facility. So sounds like Germany is not unlike Australia.
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The so called “right wing” party AfD alone has realistic views on CC, energy questions and vaxxes. All other parties are in line.
But in fact, not to loose out of sight, the AfD has some real right wing hardliners as members and leaders in the eastern part of Germany.
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One should have sympathy for those “hardliners” from East Germany – they after all lived the worst of communism, similar to the folks from Poland, Hungary etc. They are the ones who don’t forget.
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I don’t believe it has ever been satisfactorily explained why the spike protein was chosen as an immunological target when there were much safer, more benign targets.
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Somebody has a patent on it DM, I can’t remember who as I read about it a couple of years back. They were in a position to make sure a lot of money was to be made. The moment they genetically engineered it they could ‘own’ it.
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Maybe not “satisfactorily explained” to us, but for them this is not about us, except to the extent that our arms are the hazardous waste dumps for their poison. So there’s nothing to “explain.” “Just shut up and take your shot!”
But just because we don’t know, doesn’t mean they don’t.
https://odysee.com/@timetowakeupnews:7/Dr-David-Martin—Spike-Protein-Depopulation-Patents-Since-2002!-9f86eb5e9edbe4d5d0b89a931e16205677b89d4c:3
Seems like they are all in on it.
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The bivalent booster has negative effectiveness against Omicron and other viruses. The RNA covid vaccines including the new bivalent boosters produce the Wuhan-1 spike. The Wuhan-1 covid spike was designed in a lab. The Wuhan-1 spike, weakens the immune system, cause blood clots, heart damage, brain damage, and so on.
The circulating version of covid, Omicron, has more than 50 mutations on its spike. It is 30 times less dangerous than the Wuhan-1 first release covid.
Repeat exposure to the Wuhan-1 spike causes and accelerates cancers. The Wuhan-1 spike causes Turbo cancer. Multiple tumors, large tumors, and tumors in more than one organ. The Wuhan-1 spike causes DNA damage and interferes with the body’s cancer defenses. In every country, it is illegal to expose the general population to carcinogenic substances, like the Wuhan-1 spike.
The RNA covid vaccines should be illegal to produce and to use. The RNA bivalent boosters are a type of bioweapon; Not a drug to protect us against sever Omicron symptoms.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605161276409257985
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Classic pharmaceutical marketing ploy to sell older , less relevant products. Give it a fancy name, “bivalent”, pay leading (KIP) doctors to promote it and then just sell it to the governments of countries. It’s a win-win for these companies. Less invoices to be issued and then the individual countries do all the marketing and vaccinations for you – for free!!. It’s the best marketing model of all time. Just sit back and watch all the dollars flow in.
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The best part of being a “conspiracy theorist” is not getting myocarditis, clots, musculoskeletal issues, neurological issues or sudden death.
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I thought the best part was the smugness when the conspiracies turned out be true, time and time again.😎
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The ‘Conspiracy Theory’ accusation has become the greatest defence mechanism politicians ever devised. The under educated or disinterested public understand its significance down to the ground. It sticks on anybody trying to be Gunga Dinn blowing the trumpet to save the camp. It’s a blocking statement enforced by derision of the ‘hero’. No arguments are necessary nor tolerated by the FBI influenced social media platforms as exposed by Twitter file releases.
Cancellation is such a strong weapon against any sense of democracy we previously assumed to exist. Traditional ‘professional’ (?) media appear to be either totally politically one sided outlets, or they suffer under an enforcement, the source of which is never identified. I have always wondered how so many ‘independent’ outlets seem to speak with a common voice using the same words on the same day and supportive of the left extreme of politics. Even the Australian now seems to drift the same way. Trump is becoming an agent to attack almost daily, and defence of his time in office which had the world quiescent and generally thriving is totally absent.
Both main political Parties are inseparable on most things. Both have common goals on COVID suppression of information and total suppression of true scientific debate on Climate Warming, especially in media circles. Who and where is the power driving this stuff world wide. Is the current US Government using a quid quo pro with all that defence assistance? Chris Mitchell is Horatio currently, but in popular media he seems to be a lone hero. Canavan in the Parliament is another. but unable to get support or at least critical discussion in the popular media that would open the minds of the public, especially the under 40’s.
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Tuff-titties Kerryn.
Typical virtue-signalling lefty moron that only wakes up (slightly) when the stupidity of covid rules and coerced experimental injections actually impacts her or her “wife” directly. Incidently, are they both wives or is she the husband?
The way she has carried on about masks, social distancing and the need for more lockdowns, she should be a KAREN (but I suppose Kerryn is close enough).
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And what do all of our ‘conservative’ politicians have to say about all of this?
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We only have a few true conservatives and they are the only ones speaking out – usually to an empty senate.
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Dr Kerry Chant (NSW Chief Health Officer) is still pushing the Vaccines.
https://www.health.nsw.gov.au/Infectious/covid-19/Pages/weekly-reports.aspx
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The Kerry Chant whose Husband is funded by Pfizer?
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Kerry can be a male or female name.
In Kerry Chant’s case, I’m still unsure.
Picture of Kerry
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I believe that all you need to know to stay “Covid Safe”is freely available on the FLCC site.How you regard it is entirely up to you!
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As I’ve said, when it affects them personally is when they’ll wake up, and that’s what we’re seeing now.
Full 180 degrees changes in opinion on the planvaxx.
How much longer can people ignore the reality?
“It’s a Crisis” – Massive Increase in the Number of Dead Forces Funeral Homes in Norway to Store the Dead in Garage
Funeral homes in Norway sound the alarm as they struggle to store all the dead people as a result of Norway’s skyrocketing excess mortality rate.
The number of people needing funeral services in Trondheim City, Central Norway, has risen dramatically, according to the local newspaper Dagbladet Trondheim.
Lars Svanholm, the fourth-generation general manager of Trondheim’s largest funeral home, Svanholm & Vigdal Gravferd, has said that the funeral home’s century-long history has never seen anything like the current number of deaths.
“It is a marked increase, and we have not experienced anything like it in four generations,” Lars Svanholm told Dagbladet.
Dagbladet Trondheim
Svanholm believes that the funeral home has seen a 30 percent increase in deaths this year compared to last year.
“We have not had such an increase since the company started in 1922,” said Svanholm to local tv.
In order to deal with the increasing number of dead, they have opened a cool emergency room in a garage.
Capacity constraints forced families to wait more than two weeks to bury their loved ones.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/12/crisis-massive-increase-number-dead-forces-funeral-homes-norway-store-dead-garages/
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Fortunately, with the current low temperatures in Norway they can just open the door of the garage or other space and the excess dead can be stored without needing extra refrigeration. Just keep the carnivores away.
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The telltale stain of lies, coercion, corruption and cover-up suppurating from the whole covid debacle has now spread to the extent that it can’t be be ignored. This ever spreading stain indicates a crime scene of the worst magnitude. Thanks to the former head of the AMA, Kerryn Phelps for having the intestinal fortitude to bravely speak out about the disaster of covid vaxxine injury. What she’s done will give weight to the concerns many others have been voicing to a selectively deaf, dumb and blind government and medical bureaucracy. The turning point is now a matter of time. Watch for government and medical bureacrcats implementing damage control measures in order to save face.
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So, we have the glaring evidence of utter incompetence from our Health Bureaucrats. There was no scientific basis whatsover for nearly all of the covid policy that was put out.
Yet Yvett D’ath, Anna and all those ALP members in QLD have voted to greatly increase the power of bureaucrats to attack and deregister doctors because they do not follow dangerous dictates of said bureaucrats, bureaucrats who will have zero idea of the personal and health situations of these doctors patients.
Its utterly clear to me (and also my State member who I corresponded with prior to this awful legislation going through) that we have a dangerous tyrannical and evil govt here in QLD. Its beyond comprehension that others here don’t see the huge issues from reckless decisions by this govt.
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…and they’re using the mRNA platform for just about all “flu vaccines” as well going forward…
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fatigue and additional neurological, visual disturbance, musculoskeletal inflammation, sinus tachycardia and blood pressure fluctuations.
I suffered these issues from catching Covid, my eyesight took 18 moths to return to normal, I still suffer from arrhythmia and my blood pressure has never gone back to what it was after more than two years. Thankfully it actually dropped not increased.
Who’s to say that Dr Phelps would not be in the same situation if she not been vaccinated and court Covid instead.
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Maybe there’s an opening in the market for fixing poor eyesight with 18 moths?
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Perhaps a butterfly Kiss is all that is needed after all!
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neil,
Sorry to hear it. You suffered an unfortunate coincidence: you were prone to bad COVID side-effects AND you had the bad luck to catch COVID. Maybe I’m prone to those same side-effects, but I haven’t caught it yet.
Thing is, some proportion of people are prone to bad side-effects from the vaccines, and if we force the vaccines on 100% of people then every last one of them will suffer the bad effects.
Experimenting on the well is a complete betrayal of the first do no harm principle of medicine.
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Dear Neil,
Let us start this consultation at the beginning.
How old are you?
Are you taking any other medication?
Do you normally wear glasses?
Were there any other unusual life style changes or events in or around December 2020 when you believe these symptoms commenced?
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The problem with all the censorship was that an objective understanding was difficult. As a result people had to rely on the grapevine. Over the last 3 years I went from trusting the government and medical authorities to very much not trusting them at all. If the situation was to be repeated I would very likely not have the jab.
I had a strong reaction to the first jab. Do not want to go there again. Certainly don’t want alien DNA being shoved up my veins. Had most of the common reactions plus a few not so often talked about. Not a nice place. The jab may have helped with the recent outbreaks but with the poor procedures, the rushed science and poor communication by the government and health authorities that’s not certain.
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Obviously did not get the memo about pretending to get the jabs.
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December 21, 2022
Pfizer CEO ‘surprised’ that ‘they’ suggested mRNA technology in the Covid shot
In light of current headlines like “died suddenly” a video from March of 2022 is suddenly making the rounds on social media, starring Albert Bourla, the current CEO of Pfizer.
DiedSuddenly
@DiedSuddenly_
Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla admitted that the mRNA technology had never been successful, and he was surprised that mRNA was the method used for a global vaccination rollout.
Why would they use a technology that they knew was unsuccessful, and potentially deadly?
Now, don’t forget, Bourla also admitted early on that he hadn’t received the vaccine, but that was only because he didn’t want to exploit his position and take it from someone who really needed it. Even the “fact-checker” outlets conceded to this, reporting that:
Mr. Bourla… [was] asked when he plans to have his Covid-19 vaccination, to which he replies: ‘The sooner I can I will. The only sensitivity here…is that I don’t want to have an example that I am cutting the line.
‘I am 59-years-old, I am in good health, I’m not working in the frontline so my type is not recommended to get vaccination [sic].’
But don’t worry, he’s since been “vaccinated” because he told us he has, — I mean, no one would ever lie about that, right?
In an Epoch Times piece from December 12:
According to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), as of Dec. 2, 2022, a total of 906,544 adverse events had been reported regarding all approved COVID-19 vaccines in the United States, including 15,584 deaths.
These COVID-19 vaccines have led to more adverse event reports in the VAERS system than all reports made in the past three decades. Specifically, the number of COVID-19 vaccine-related deaths has exceeded 55 percent of all VAERS vaccine death reports.
See a recent tweet below from Elon Musk:
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My elderly parents both tested positive to Covid recently and both recovered in about three days. In my mum’s case she is missing half of one lung due to the removal of a malignant cancer discovered by chance after an echo test which revealed a faulty aortic valve.
But the killer point is not that my mum had a serious pre existing condition and survived with no worse than bad cold symptoms. It is that my mum (and dad) refused any vaccine. I am vaccinated and suffered no ill side effects other than a sore shoulder but I do wonder what is the truth about Covid and the vaccines.
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Unfortunately my wife’s mum was all in for the jabs. At 82 she was reasonably healthy … until after the fourth jab she suddenly had heart problems and was dead inside a week.
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Harves, I’m so sorry to hear that. My sincere condolences. Dreadful. 🙁
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Thanks Jo. Yes, almost identical symptoms to that recent study that you highlighted. Heart just started racing, but not pumping efficiently. She’d never had any heart problems.
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Married and divorced twice.
Offspring to both.
My first wife had cancer and took the jab upon her doctor recommendation. She did not want it.
Couple of weeks later or less, she had a stroke, then diagnosed with myocarditis, then her cancer flared up extremely aggressively and died within a month.
I paid for the funeral to help my daughter.
Hospital would not release her medical records and the death certificate was withheld.
One year ago a couple of weeks ago.
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These are terrible stories of pain and suffering. My sympathies also, Environment Sceptic.
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tetanus vaccine really been an abortion vaccine since 1972 – dr carrie madej
https://www.bitchute.com/video/AxmIo8TmEYOq/
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No. I listen to John Laws and he says it is impossible for doctors to be silenced and abuses callers who say they can be.
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He’s a very wise and knowledgeable man.
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Sar Chasm
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Excellent panel discussion.
“Drs With Voices!! Our expert panel unpacks the testimony of VACCINE INJURED Dr Kerryn Phelps
“Doctors With Voices 22/12/22. Our expert panel unpacks the testimony of Dr Kerryn Phelps and so much more.”
https://www.bitchute.com/video/NbKTFGtjuEoJ/
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ABC News Journalist Breaks Her Silence, Reveals She Developed Heart Condition Due to Covid Vaccine
A reporter for ABC News Australia has broken her silence after suffering a heart condition following receiving the COVID vaccination.
Eleni Roussos, a journalist in the Darwin ABC newsroom and also the presenter of ABC’s flagship 7 PM News in the Northern Territory, revealed that she developed pericarditis after receiving her first dose of Pfizer Covid vaccine, describing it as “a living hell.”
Koulla Roussos, Eleni’s sister, posted on Facebook last year to explain that Eleni had been hospitalized and diagnosed with pericarditis (inflammation of the outer lining of the heart) and hence was unable to attend the NT Media awards ceremony.
Eleni Roussos said that former AMA President Kerryn Phelps’ decision to go public with her own personal suffering had encouraged her to do the same.
“Inspired by [Dr. Kerryn Phelps] today I want to say I too have been in a living hell with pericarditis because of the Covid vaccine,” Roussos wrote on her Twitter account.
“Vaccine injuries are real and serious and I sincerely hope more people will speak up,” she continued.
Dr. Phelps responded to Roussos’ tweet, “I hoped my submission to the parliamentary inquiry would spark the conversations we need to have about long covid and vaccine injury. I hope we can find answers leading to recovery for you and others.”
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The beginning of a new “me too” movement will hopefully start now !
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I wonder if Elena Roussos will be apologising for this article she wrote about people spreading misinformation about the ‘vaccine’.?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-10-28/nt-remote-communities-covid-vaccination-santa-teresa-ali-curung/100572230
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How can any sane, decent human continue to push a vaccine on children in early 2022 after both her and her partner were injured at least 6 months earlier? It beggars belief. Sure, I can see someone who was injured and believed that vaccine injuries were rare chalking it up to bad luck, but when your wife suffers as well?!
From the horses mouth:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_djSCiFYgw
No, this is someone who knew better but decided to stay schtum and keep her position in society at the expense of others. Imho, this is a case of the wicked trying to get ahead of a wave of retribution, like a concentration camp guard handing some sweeties to the children when they know the Allies will be there in a couple of days. There seems to be a lot of this going on at the moment.
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The argument starting to circulate is that normal, sensible people only kept quiet because of the antics of anti-vax, right-wing nut jobs.
Apparently, (as is the case with Trump) taking the opposite position to these people is always the correct position to take … even if people die as a result.
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Most people have zero intestinal fortitude, this whole thing could have been shutdown very quickly if those that still had common sense had simply said NO. That never happened so the Morrison dictatorship was allowed to inject toxic drugs into a majority of people. It’s way too late now for people like Phelps to speak up, their time has well and truly passed.
The damage has been done and cannot be undone.
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…and Phelps was part of the Turnbull/Morrison plan to neutralize the Dutton side of politics when he challenged Turnbull for the leadership of the Liberals. Agree with you, not much sympathy – it’s easy now to cry…
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The more jabs you get the more your immune system is destroyed and the more you catch covid, I hope Phelps is not looking for sympathy though I expect she is
https://100percentfedup.com/covid-19-vaccine-study-yields-unexpected-results-for-cleveland-clinic-researchers/
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Bret Weinstein: Norman Fenton: Why are the unvaxxed dying at higher rates after vaccine rollout?
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