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Most people would be aware of the revelations in the UK of Matt Hancock’s WHATSAPP messages re the wuflu scamdemic.
I wonder what percentage Of the population who were willing to forgive politicians, bureaucrats and the MSM for their lies and manipulation during Covid have now changed their mind?
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No forgiveness whatsoever.
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But were they doctored?
“These stolen messages have been doctored to create a false story that Matt rejected clinical advice on care home testing,”….
Either they were, or they weren’t.
Trust “The Daily Telegraph” to not muck about with the texts? First question that needs answering is: do you trust the MSM?
Oakeshott, the “journalist” who released the texts and who had previously described lockdowns as an “unmitigated disaster”, said she was releasing the messages because it would take “many years” before the end of the official Covid inquiry, which she claimed could be a “colossal whitewash”.
A “colossal whitewash”? There’s an objective journalist in action for you.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/01/matt-hancock-what-do-leaked-whatsapp-messages-reveal-covid
Now, why would the lefty, Labour Party loving Guardian be running with this I wonder?
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Would you not run with it? just something else not to notice?
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Because the Tory loving Telegraph is running them and 1) it was a Tory Government they can stick it to and 2) they want to try and influence the conversation.
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After the usual doctored/out of context line, Hancock has not denied anything, he’s given up defending anything, he’s fallen back on the ‘let the inquiry do its job’ knowing full well the UK Covid inquiry will not examine the sorts of questions these messages expose and will be a whitewash of the whole rotten covid handling business regardless.
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This right-wing vs left-wing blind patriotism is a really is the most incredible phenomenom.
One side or the other does something obscenely moronic or amoral, and the clamouring masses immediately divide up on a team supporter basis and support their team and denigrate their ‘opponents’, crying “Fake news!”, and “… that’s taken out of context!” and “… what about that time you did xxx”.
Winston Churchill hit the nail on the head when he said, ” The strongest argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter”.
This surely simply a much needed exposure of the priviledged classes exalting in prescribing known pointless rules for the sake of exercising their power.
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“Most people would be aware…”
Sadly I doubt it. Most people here certainly would, and I earnestly wish most people in general would be aware, but it seems most people just aren’t paying attention. They’re NPC’s, happy to remain sleepwalkers and be told what to do.
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Is it really a big story?
Matt Hancock did not implement the Chief Health Officer’s ( Dr Whitty) advice about testing people entering nursing homes in full because he was advised that there was insufficient capacity to do that at the time! What else was he supposed to do? Lock out patients from nursing home care?
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I think the big story is that these WhatsApps show the attitude of Hancock and Co to the general public. It is utterly disgraceful. They choose to forget that they are public ‘servants’ paid by us and they are not supposed to be dangerous dictators.
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Don’t forgive.
Don’t forget.
As the Left typically do, following Nineteen Eighty Four as their instruction manual, they will, if they are not already, rewrite history to change what really happened and who was responsible for specific events.
It is already on the Leftist agenda to beg for an amnesty.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2022/10/covid-response-forgiveness/671879/
Don’t forgive.
Don’t forget.
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It should be:
Don’t forgive.
Don’t forget.
Prosecute.
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A pack of lies from the beginning and woe to those who invoked the natural immunity line. I had many arguments with family members who gleaned information from MSM and thought nothing of alternatives or apply nous to the subject. Accused of compromising my elderly mother’s life if I didn’t have the vaccine. I feel somewhat justified taking the position I did in hindsight. Mum agrees and that matters.
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Do I risk watching Parliamentary Question Time on the ABC this afternoon or do I just have an afternoon nap with hopefully nice dreams? OK, a nap it is then………….lol.
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Or clean the toilet.
Either way you would have a much more enjoyable time.
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The News Poll in today’s Australian showing 64% of voters agree with the proposed increase in tax on superannuation balances in excess of $3 million, suggests the conservatives are out of touch with the majority of Australians
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/politics/newspoll-a-relief-for-anthony-albanese-but-political-capital-is-eroding/news-story/5b15b6816eac44f1f7122c6a68f0febd
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More like just the usual Aussie (and most others too) habit of happily slashing tall poppies. Bit of a stretch to say it is a significant poll. On the other hand, the Lib Nats do seem to be out of touch with commonsense these days, so yeah, One Nation is probably more the ticket.
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Of course, it only starts at $3 million. That’s the introductory sweetener. When they’ve got away with that, then it’s reduced to amounts typical people have.
They won’t be laughing then.
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The fact that the tax increase isn’t indexed and that in 15/20years time the average Aussie Joe will have three million in super and be uber rich according to the Labor hacks is probably beyond the comprehension of the 64%.I now hear a Labor pardy back saying to hit negative gearing and capital gains tax on the family home….because the mob bought the old tax the rich ploy!
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Right, whats $3M? Its almost the price of a suburban house these days.
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First they came for the wealthy, then……….
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Turnbull, and many other ex-politicians… will not be happy !
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Taking up KKs suggestion from yesterday about the science of the atmospheric Green House Gas hypothesis.
One issue that was never fully resolved to my satisfaction was the difference between radiative gases and surfaces.
A radiative surface is often used as an analogy to explain the GHGE. For instance; the observable fact that cloud cover at night reduces the surface temperature loss is given as an example which apparently proves the GHGE theory.
However a cloud is not gas. A rain drop has a surface, hence it radiates at all wavelengths compared with a gas molecule which has only a few radiative freqencies. How is it that a distant cloud can be photographed in the infra red if all the photons get absorbed on the way to the camera?
Then there is the issue of an absorbed photon being thermalised (ie heating surrounding gas) rather than re-radiating. How prevalent is this?
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The CO2 hothouse conjecture fails on many fronts. One which is never mentioned is that it fails over oceans and ice which cover 75% of the planet.
Another is that a CO2 blanket on a clear sky with no humidity say on a desert region would have a dramatic effect on very low night temperatures. No one has reporting this dramatic and obvious effect.
No they all talk about is increasing very high temperatures where the small effect would be hardly noticeable.
On a mostly cool water and ice planetary surface with little IR back radiation this effect would be minimal. If it is even observable. Which should have been obvious in the right location.
I can only conclude that the people who proposed this do not believe it themselves. We are debunking something which was never proven.
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And Ian Plimer’s point is that a 50% increase in the thickness of a black blind does nothing.
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So even if the effect was real it is not changed by an increase in CO2. These are killer arguments but no one believes it anyway. Just as no one believes a man is a woman because he says so. Or that a country which twice elected a minority black President is fundamentally racist.
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Thanks TdeF,
That settles it unless someone can come up with a convincing counter argument!
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The vast majority of OLR is emitted by ice. Ice is a broad spectrum radiator with emissivity in the low to mid 90s.
Right now 21e12m^2 of the NH land is covered in snow/ice.
https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_seasonal.php?ui_set=nhland&ui_season=4
So even with clear sky and zero humidity the radiating surface is ice. All of Antarctica, all of Greenland and numerous permanent snow caps like the Himalayas are radiating from an ice surface all year round. The Southern Ocean and Arctic Ocean often radiate from ice under clear sky conditions.
Anywhere that has more than 1kg/m^2 of atmospheric water will absorb all the OLR before it eventually exits. Even very cold places have more than 1kg/m^2 of atmospheric water:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=total_precipitable_water/orthographic=-113.81,-79.44,312/loc=-174.804,-79.110
More than 1kg/m^2 of cloud water (ice) means the OLR is only exiting at the very top of the cloud.
Other than supporting the ice, the atmospheric gasses play no role in the energy balance.
The formation of ice controls the energy balance whether the ice is on land, on water or high in the atmosphere. The very fact that ice forms at a well defined temperature is the reason Earth’s climate is so stable.
Nearly all the land north of 40N is presently covered in snow. Where is the “greenhouse effect” with land covered in snow. It is very difficult to get that land warmer than 0C while the snow remains.
https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2023&ui_day=64&ui_set=3
When the ocean surface reaches 30C, the cloud becomes so persistent that it can never sustain more than 30C. One little patch in the Pacific currently at 30C:
https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2023&ui_day=64&ui_set=3
Look at how the convective potential in the region has developed in response:
https://earth.nullschool.net/#current/wind/surface/level/overlay=cape/orthographic=-147.15,-11.61,341/loc=-153.879,-20.133
It is not physically possible for open ocean to sustain a temperature above 30C. The persistence of atmospheric ice prevents it. Absolutely nothing to do with “greenhouse gasses”. They only exist as a religious belief – similar to the all powerful God.
The EMR energy is actually travelling from the camera to the cloud. The camera is a record of the interaction it has with whatever it is pointed at. It is recording an interference pattern.
Much of the remote sensing on satellites does not work in dense cloud because there is no atmospheric window just the cloud top. The 94GHz radar for cloud observation has low absorption in cloud so penetrates far enough to build a useful image.
It is evident that the satellite TPW data is under reporting because clear skies are rare once the TPW gets above 70kg/m^2. So that is what gets reported but radiosondes show much higher:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/AIRS-PWV-plotted-against-radiosonde-PWV-under-low-in-blue-and-high-in-red-cloud-cover_fig12_331957465
I have experienced tropical downpours of 100mm in three hours. The satellites show the maximum TPW at around 63mm. There is no way that 40mm more can come down in three hours than what has taken weeks to build up. There is convergence going on but three hours is not long to bring in water from somewhere else when the rainfall is over a wide area. Remote sensing has its limitations.
You can see in this MODIS plot of SST that there was a good deal of ocean surface without sufficient clear sky in 8 days to get surface data.
https://neo.gsfc.nasa.gov/view.php?datasetId=MYD28W&date=2023-01-01
Lots of black holes where there should be an ocean temperature.
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Icy-related article in the Daily Sceptic: https://dailysceptic.org/2023/03/05/new-scientific-evidence-suggests-temperatures-have-been-stable-in-greenland-for-60-years-save-for-a-sudden-1c-jump-in-1994/
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“A gas, carbon dioxide, for which humans themselves are only responsible for 4% of annual atmospheric emissions.”
I would agree with that given the half life of CO2 in the atmosphere around 5 years, not the 80 years stated categorically by the IPCC as their absolute standard (without proof). It is the key figure used to justify everything and it is unexplained.
And what it not said is that the massive exchange of CO2 molecules between oceans and air over 72% of the planet is 25x that of human output. Therefore it is in rapid equilibrium.
And the idea that CO2 molecules pile up on one side of an equilibrium is wrong. That’s not how equilibrium works. It works to reestablish and maintain the precise ratio between air and water as set by Henry’s Law. So an increase of 50% of CO2 would quickly be 98% in the ocean and the increase in the air would be 1/98th of 50% or 0.5% per year with a half life of 5 years, roughly the 3% CO2 which you can measure today.
The very idea that very soluble CO2 gas is not in rapid equilibrium is nuts. There is nothing to debate. And elsewhere buried in the IPCC report is the statement that fossil fuel CO2 is locked in the atmosphere for ‘thousands of years’.
There is now a very great schism between what the IPCC reports say and the pronouncements of the head of the UN.
““Humanity has a choice: cooperate or perish. It is either a Climate Solidarity Pact – or a Collective Suicide Pact,” the UN Secretary-General told over 100 world leaders reunited for the first official plenary of the UN Climate Change Conference.”
That is not what the current IPCC report says. Who put the UN in charge of the world weather?
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” Who put the UN in charge of the world weather?”
Self promoted.
Convince me otherwise.
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Some years ago a visitor to this site was an infrared astronomer. A very interesting and extremely relevant occupation.
And he had made many trips to Antarctica. His plain statement was that he never saw this alleged backradiation. Therefore it does not exist.
Again all this story of backradiation by CO2 is a postulation without evidence by people like James Hansen, an upper atmosphere scientist who specialised in the atmosphere of Venus. And made his fame by stating that Earth was the same. Venus has a surface temperature of 900C. But there was clearly not much future in being a specialist in the atmosphere of Venus. As for the amplification of this warming by water vapour, the essential and consequential hot spot has never been found.
In every case we find we have to debunk conjecture without proof. The idea that the 50% increase in CO2 is man made has never been proven. And it has been categorically and unequivocally disproved as far back as 1958 before man made CO2 driven Global Warming was invented without proof.
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Backradiation does not exist. The atmospheric physisicist Michael Mishchenko provided the proof some years ago. Mishchenko’s work on radiative transfer in Earth’;s atmosphere underpins the design of many of the remote sensing instruments used on satellites.
https://www.giss.nasa.gov/staff/mmishchenko/publications/2010_OE_18_19770.pdf
Radiation is most commonly shorthand for ELECTRO-magnetic radiation. It is energy transport in the electric field. And that energy transport can never travel up the p[otential gradient. Temperature is simply a another measure for electric potential at atomic level. No energy travels against the potential. EMR is unidirectional at any point in time and space.
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The ‘proof’ is wrong. Energy travels both ways along the gradient, but the NET flow is always down the gradient.
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So the atmospheric physicists who has been most instrumental in the development of remote sensing instruments in the past 30 years has it wrong!
Can you show specifically where his proof is wrong?
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How does he account for the hundreds of publication that measure DLR for one reason or another?
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GeeAye, he is dealing with reality, not “thousands of public miscomunications”.
Two different tings.
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As noted below, you can do this yourself. Give it a go and see what happens.
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i wouldnt say the paper is wrong, just not applicable. the poynting vector is just a measure of power over a certain area and there is no doubt the the pointing vector for a given area away from a source will present as decreasing away from a source of radiation. eg a RF transmission tower, you can receive that RF at any direction around the source. you take a chunk of atmosphere as an example somewhere away from the source and you can see the poynting vector value defined by long established laws. take that into the quantum field and things change a bit, which is what that paper seems to describe.
the quote from that paper is about the flow away from individual particles being not of the nature of a typical RF transmitter as described above, but of a single path away from that particle. the single path is defined in the surrounding area (they say local, which means what?). anyway, this is the way i have always read emissions from particles, that they emit in a single path, but the addition of the poynting vector is claiming that they only emit in the path of the combination of other photons or the flux. i would think that it would be impossible to know this, but i dont know enough to say otherwise.
i dont think it matters so much to the question of flux, it exists and will always be away from the source, but it does not mean that ALL energy flows only away from the source. the fact that the value changes means that there must be something impeding the flow and thus energy lost in the system. in the case of that gas sensor, the energy is lost mainly through heat and everything around that heat source.
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Mike, the “travelling both ways” concept was, I suspect, originally put out to help people work out the maths.
Many people, for example Zoe who is very enthusiastic, just grab the nearest equation and go for it. The Stefan and Boltzman has been treated unkindly by so many enthusiasts who are only partly informed.
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i dont understand this argument about the flow of em radiation (photons). there is NO hard circuit between the points where the electrons flow to/from as with an electrical circuit, in fact there are no electrons flowing unless there is a bit of ionised air with lightning etc. the photons are emitted and exist external to the source, and the eventual destination. they are a wave to any molecule they may come across in their travels. a wave that has an exact length (inversely proportionate to the frequency). the physical dimensions of a molecule and its components directly determine whether that wave will present a field across its components. it does not require that it is dipole, though it does help, the wave itself generates a positive/negative across the molecule and cause vibration/bending/rotation etc.
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EMR by definition is not confined to a particular medium. On the other hand, all conductors with alternating current emit EMR.
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That’s interesting Mobi.
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“Anywhere that has more than 1kg/m^2 of atmospheric water will absorb all the OLR before it eventually exits.”
I presume that is 1kg/m^2 column of atmospheric water.
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Yes just 1mm in the entire column.
If it is all in the form of ice then it will exit at the altitude of the ice.
Ice in the atmosphere guarantees that the radiating temperature has to be less than 273K.
Fortunatey ice in the atmosphere is also highly reflective such that once the ToA sunlight reaches 420W/m^2 the surface insolation begins to decline. The atmosphere over tropical ocean could be getting 480W/m^2 but never more than 200W/m^2 on average will make it to the surface.
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That got me too.
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it would be so nice if there was no absorption by the atmosphere, it would make communications with satellites so much easier. rain fade is a very real problem, but it is not just rain, it is an ever present problem in any type of atmosphere. if something exists that will absorb at those frequencies being used, you will lose more energy. that energy does not just disappear.
if you want to test it yourself, just get your hands on an optical gas sensor. fig 2 on this page – https://www.intechopen.com/chapters/85155
shows an optical gas sensor which can be used for any gas that you set it up for. you set it up by setting the frequency of the emitter to a band that the gas you are looking for will absorb, then you can compare the detected output with the input. simple. the many satellites do exactly the same thing. you end up with that absorption spectrum that is commonly shown.
the output from the surface is in line with the temperature of the surface. any solid object will emit a broad band according to its temperature. note the emissions shown from eg – https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Blackbody_radiation is not an amplitude, it is the quantity of photons that are produced at the listed frequencies. it is listed as power which is the same thing. consider this- when you look from space with a satellite and see 40% of the known output ,as with the optical gas sensor, you are looking at 40% of the photons that left the surface (source emitter) making it ,one way or another, to you. those lost photons do have energy associated with them, the absorbers may cause a co2 molecule they bump into to bend a little causing vibrational and rotational forces to excite the mulecule a little more than before, but of course the molecule may already be doing that already from another photon, so you see saturation, and the (or a) will bump off it in whatever direction.
co2 does not have much room left after saturation, there are these effects that stretch and bend the molecule when there are more of them in any given area and this causes the edges of that absorption band to extend out a bit due to more absorbers being seen in the photons path. look at co2 laser descriptions to get into the quantum physics of it if you want, but I dont follow it enough to describe it in detail. it is not important other than to say that there is very little room left for more absorption (the log association)
it empirically possible to show each step in the chain in what is being described as the greenhouse gas effect, the equipment and understanding being used is used in many sciences, not just atmospheric science, which I would argue has been more important in other fields for a lot longer, and it is being misused by the current climate change clowns to reinforce their less sciencey things they come up with like contradictory models that are plugged with random numbers pulled out of someones you know what to give the desired result, and because they dont all come out the the same someones you know what, they will never agree with each other. feedbacks 2 degc hell why not 8.. is that the precise science of radiation and spectrum analysis? thats what they expected us to accept.
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What is worse. Deliberate misuse from the climate clowns or deliberate denial of its existence from some from the other side?
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the word deliberate says it all there. a critical thinker will always question a lie and its intent. the continued lies mean that the critical thinker will place all subject matter pertaining to the lie in the bin of mistrust. it is very natural to question every aspect of climate science due to this.
i dont think people even look now, it just goes straight in the bin, and fair enough, we dont all have time enough to go through fiddly little bits of information to construct a better understanding. while the obvious lying continues in the field, more and more people will just start that process of throwing the whole field in the bin.
do you really want to regulate people to believe a lie by calling them deniers and forcing your faith on them?
i dont think climate science can ever get back from its clown status and be trusted again, but if it can be done then the first step needs to be to STOP LYING. sorry, that is not directed at you, but a statement about the current state of affairs in the climate change tm world.
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Our governments penalize us because of our potential advantages in minerals and energy, which could offset our high labour costs, by negating those advantages with decisions, going back decades, that are based on climate models that bear zero relationship to reality. Check out the numbers of coal-fired power stations that China and India are building, or planning to build. And they aren’t the only ones. Where will their quality coal come from? Hint: _ustrali_! But our leaders continually veto our own use of coal! Then, there’s natural gas. We ship huge quantities of it overseas, but deliberately curtail its domestic use. Next comes uranium. France has a long history of safe and successful usage, and many other countries, some dubbed “third-world”, have either commissioned, or are planning, nuclear powerplants. Small Nuclear Reactors (SMRs) are nearing fruition. But our anti-nuclear prejudices are inviolate. So, having ruled out coal, gas and nuclear as our energy sources, on what do our leaders bet our future prosperity? Why, wind, solar, Snowy 2.0 and green hydrogen, of course! And don’t you dare forget the batteries! According to our Climate Change and Energy Minister, their failure to meet our needs is because, despite the lavish subsidies they receive, and their poor performance world-wide, we don’t build them fast enough! Riiigghhtt! Having thus squandered our advantages, how do our leaders plan for us to become competitive internationally? Ah yes! Via higher wages, even though ours are unsurpassed in the entire world! But remember, all this is because we fear, carbon dioxide, a universally-available plant food. Nett zero (productivity-wise) here we come!
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nice solid block of text
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“. Climate Change and Energy Minister. “. Please qualify your statement. It should read “ moron who identifies as “ Climate Change and Energy Minister “.
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I can see no point in humans going to Mars.
Unless it is to be set up as a penal colony.
Why go to live? Robots can do the necessary exploration and resource extraction.
It’s not a very attractive place to live. Maybe visit for an adventure holiday but earth is fine otherwise.
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Maybe an adventure involving beautiful women, spies, an alien civilization? I seem to totally recall such a movie.
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Yeah!
Mine the Lithium and then beam it back to Earth.
Only 13 minutes and 48 seconds.
The masses will easily believe that!
Eddie, I think I’ll take my Pass!
Tony.
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Saved you from devolving back into a fish when you try to leave…escape?…
Nope, try to leave.
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I recall that, a couple of years ago NASA announced that an expedition to Mars had managed to extract oxygen from the CO2 which comprises 96% of the Mars atmosphere.
https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-s-perseverance-mars-rover-extracts-first-oxygen-from-red-planet
In they article it was mentioned that the technology was able to extract one oxygen atom from each CO2 molecule, leaving a waste gas carbon monoxide.
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So many open threads , where’s the science gone ?
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If you can’t find any science in this or any other unthread you’re not looking and possibly not interested in science which makes me wonder why are you here ?
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Are you our old Pat who used to post a marvellous selection of interesting information or a new Pat we are meeting for the first time?
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If you are the original Pat, I’ve missed your posts.
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Mercenaries call for backup.
‘The Russian oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, who controls the mercenary Wagner force that is leading the Russian offensive in Bakhmut, warned late on Saturday that if his men were forced to withdraw, it could lead to the collapse of the entire Russian frontline.’ (Guardian)
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Another proclamation from “The Guardian” I see.
One might also consider that is pretty loose use of the definitive “The” as well
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Its going viral.
‘Russia’s Wagner chief warns of potential frontline collapse.
‘Prigozhin warned that Russia’s position around Bakhmut was in peril unless his troops got ammunition.’ (SMH)
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Garbage news from the same source and syndicated in all publications. You might try to be a bit more circumspect. Russians throwing Ukrainian babies in the air and impaling them on bayonets. Russ!Ian paratroopers dressed as nuns, blah blah.
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Pravda didn’t have the story.
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The UK press had the Russians fighting with shovels because they were “out of ammunition”
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He was complaining a couple of weeks back that ammunition was taking too long to arrive for his men to move forward on Bakhmut. He said his artillery shells were being sent to regular Russian troops up North at Soledar, making the Russian Army look good up there while his men were doing all the fighting at the front.
Like anywhere, private enterprise and Govt bureaucrats don’t work well together. It seems Wagner have been recruiting the American-trained Afgani Army special forces who fled Afganistan to Iraq after America was defeated and the Taliban threatened to kill them. I suppose they were not enamoured with the Americans and their allies after that farce, and the pay is good.
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its not true, its to trick Kiev Ukrainians as they retreat Bakhmut,
Prigozhin also has been slowing down the rate of fire with their artillery to make the Ukrainians think they are running out of ammo so they make silly mistakes and are easier to put through the grinder of that hell on earth
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It maybe that we are already at Net-Zero.
https://gerardrennick.com.au/is-australia-already-at-net-zero/
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Certainly true.
But just as there are two types of electrons, good wind and solar electrons and bad fossil fuel electrons. So there are two types of CO2. Natural good kind and wonderful Green CO2 and evil, black, dirty fossil fuel CO2. It’s post modern Climate Science and currently running at $SU1,500Billion a year.
And as China outputs 56% of all industrial bad CO2, you would think they would be paying us! But they sell carbon credits for their hydro and wind and solar for cash.
You see when people are gullible, why stop at just stealing. Get them to buy a lot of stuff they don’t need and stop them burning their own coal. And then see if you can get the price of coal down.
China banned our exports because we dared ask for an investigation in the the origins of the plague which killed millions and why millions of infected people were put on planes to Italy and the US. Now the US has declared it was a Wuhan flu after all. What a surprise!
So China has agreed to buy our coal again. And even our wine as long as we buy their supposedly excellent wines. Soon we will have Chinese Grange Hermitage. And more Chinese windmills and solar panels. And soon to reach nett zero, our businesses (biggest polluters) will have to buy Chinese Carbon Credits. Once a mug.
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China has a cosy relationship with Iran and it looks like they’ll get the opportunity to process a new lithium discovery.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/03/05/huge-lithium-deposit-discovered-in-iran/
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“but earth is fine otherwise.”… for how long?
Its a stepping stone for human expansion, a test case foe space travel and options in governance.. The real resources will come from the asteroid belt, but that means living in zero G for a lifetime, some thing we not be adapted to.
Earth is best, but our Govt system is crushing us and making it unlivable. Shall we attempt a total makeover of human psychology? A divergence of human political theory?
https://www.bigheadpress.com/eft?page=1
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Hershey’s chocolate taking flack
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/03/magnificent.html
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FYI
https://www.skynews.com.au/opinion/outsiders/unhinged-furious-customers-boycott-blackmores-as-founder-supports-no-vote-to-voice/video/f46f47d0ca094a9b64453eb14ddd8f7e
Via Michael Smith News – “The MSN that Matters”
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Usual tiny minority of activists ” furious customers who are calling for a boycott of the vitamin company.” Why don’t they just boycott it themselves? And let their numbers count?
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An interesting club
https://www.redpowermagazine.com/forums/topic/151608-target-husbands/
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I’m sick of hearing things like EVs being advertised as “zero carbon emissions”. Where do people think the electricity to charge them comes from? In Australia, it’s overwhelmingly from coal. In more mature countries that aren’t terrified of nuclear, it’s mostly coal or nuclear (granted, nuclear doesn’t produce CO2, but except for France, it will probably be coal anyway).
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Not only do the electric cars run on coal, all these metals which are hated, iron, lead, aluminum generate CO2 in removing the oxide plus the CO2 generated for the energy to smelt in electric arc furnaces and electrolytic vats.
So guess how Lithium salts are converted to Lithium metal for the 600kg+ battery in every electric car?
1. Brine purification to remove contaminants or unwanted elements.
2 Chemical treatment to precipitate out desirable products and byproducts using acids.
3 Filtration to remove the precipitated solids.
4 Treatment with soda ash (Na2CO3) to precipitate out lithium carbonate (Li2CO3).
and how do they get the Lithium oxide? Li2CO3 + heat Li2O+CO2. So lots of fossil fuel ‘heat’ and then CO2 output like most smelting.
But we still have an oxide. So to convert to Lithium metal? From the CSIRO “Lithium oxide is reacted with carbon to produce lithium metal, similar to the chemistry used for the production of iron from iron ore.” So of course lots more fossil fuel heat and more CO2 output, even though the CSIRO is being very coy about the CO2.
The fact is that from concrete to lithium, all processes involve using lots of fossil fuel power and generating lots more CO2 in the chemical processes, heat and electrodes.
The whole avoidance of CO2 is a farce if you want metal cars and not the Flintstone express. And the energy to take you on a trip is increased just because the car is much heavier. I expect the CO2 debt with manufactured solar panels to windmills to electric cars is likely at least a decade.
Ultimately electric cars are not economically sane let alone environmentally friendly. The impact on the planet of all this additional mining has barely started. Copper, lithium and more rare earths, now controlled totally by China as the Greens have shut down all the mines outside China. And the price went from $8/kg to $250/kg. Who are they working for again?
So if you bought an electric car because you want the planet to have less CO2, think again. Electric cars will in time be seen as the most polluting invention in human history and not just CO2.
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And when the blackouts come, charging electric cars will be a criminal offence. That’s guaranteed. But you can always go shopping on your bicycle.
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what l am understanding is that “we” wont have electric cars in our fifteen minute cities so there will be no blackouts, we are just being led up the garden path that “we” will own electric cars ect…
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🙂 🙂
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Just one of the many clues (as in giant elephants) the AGW is cultural/political phenomenon.
(Not to mention that there is no attempt whatever update the grid to handle the additional load.)
When will the Global Warming Messiah return?
We only have 5 years until Gaia’s retribution cleanses the sin of carbon and sends the Great Flood of melting ice … which will then boil like the Fires of Hell, which we deserve for our material lust.
How much more New Religion can we get?
I have for years attempted to understand the ‘science’ of AGW.
Only to come to the conclusion that AGW ‘science’ is theater.
The IPCC, as are the WHO and CDC, and the vast array of NGOs, are political organizations with nice names disguising the true purpose.
They use science like a Borgia pope uses the Bible.
At my age, having been imprinted by Apollo and Star Trek, and indoctrinated in the sanctity of ‘science’, it is a shock to see behind the curtain.
I didn’t even get the benefit of the cute little dog.
I do think I have a little courage and a modicum of brain.
So let’s amuse ourselves with high minded debate about radiative physics while the Orc hordes gather at the gate.
Angels on the head of a pin.
We returned from the Moon only to create a new Dark Age.
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Pinkerton: The Circle of Green — Big Money, Big Democrats, and Climate Change
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“An EU ban on the sale of new combustion-engine cars has been postponed due to calls from luxury automakers Ferrari and Porche for synthetic electric fuel to be given an exemption, Bloomberg reported on Saturday.
Porsche invested in an e-fuel plant in Chile, where it now holds a 12.5% stake, and said it has no plans to produce an electric version of its classic 911 model. Ferrari says that while it does plan to produce electric cars, it will also invest in e-fuel to be able to continue making its iconic combustion-engine vehicles, to “preserve our heritage.”
E-fuel is a combustible, liquid fuel made from combining captured carbon dioxide with renewable hydrogen, using electricity. When burned in a combustion engine, it emits carbon dioxide, but proponents of the fuel claim it is climate neutral as it was made from previously captured CO2.
Critics argue that the fuel is too expensive to produce, and should be used in aviation rather than in the automotive industry, as it is much more difficult to decarbonize air transport.”
https://www.rt.com/business/572489-luxury-carmakers-stall-eu-ban/
…Hard to decarbonise those private jets at Davos…
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Yep, the solar panel is back!
“Sydney reaches hottest day in two years as almost 40 fires burn across NSW-
Sydney’s Observatory Hill recorded 37.6 degrees at 4.30pm on Monday, surpassing the 37.1 degrees set on January 26, 2021. In Penrith, 39.9 degrees was recorded at 3.30pm.
Over coming days, Sydney will remain in the 30s as the heatwave continues.”
SMH, so it gotta be true! A heatwave in autumn! 30degrees in Sydney!
…and we actually PAY people in the BOM to write this stuff!
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A new EINSTEIN or? fell over this:https://youtu.be/RzC41jBxflo?t=598 which led to this …https://www.facebook.com/Gerd.Gantefoer for those who may understand it better ?
WINDPOWER and all the rest. Huh, German on-shore wind is greater than our total? At least it seems to be producing ALL our current needs in UK ( from graph at beginning of video ) So all this total waffle form both our MSM and Gubbernint, …. just a load of bUM gUMPING – as usual. Isn’t there a leaked report from a (‘they’). Oakwood, or somebody about the Alternative energy crisis, etc. . UoEA report from 20 yrs ago?
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“Why does equal/equity matter?
Thomas Sowell explains it very well.”
https://youtu.be/8WYi-64MejU
Via Chiefio
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Jo in good company –
“Stuck on Stupid – Biden DHS Denies Visa to Tennis Star Novak Djokovic Due to Vaccination Status
March 6, 2023 | Sundance | 136 Comments”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/06/stuck-on-stupid-biden-dhs-denies-visa-to-tennis-star-novak-djokovic-due-to-vaccination-status/
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Wind power and real estate – Alberta example
“We would have needed a whole lot of those spinny things on Feb. 23”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/03/06/we-would-have-needed-a-whole-lot-of-those-spinny-things-on-feb-23/
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Geography correction – Sask not Alta
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FWIW
“Biologist Richard Dawkins has recently come under fire for his observation that Maori myths are not actually science. Nonetheless, the New Zealand government seems determined to treat them as a useful tool for determining facts of reality on par with the scientific method.”
More at
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/03/06/the-wokest-nation-on-earth/
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FWIW
“Life Among the Ruins”
“American society is facing three existential crises not unlike those that overcame the late Roman, and a millennium later, terminal Byzantine, empires.”\
By Victor Davis Hanson
More at https://amgreatness.com/2023/03/05/life-among-the-ruins/
Via http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/03/06/the-postmodern-abyss/
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Pretty much what I see these days too- An over-ripe society that has no need to struggle to advance, so is sliding backwards on a complete loss of solidarity, freedom and morality. The time of the West is passed, and the new empires will be interesting.
“Over half a million homeless people crowd our big-city downtowns. Most know the result of such Medieval street living is unhealthy, violent, and lethal for all concerned. Yet no one knows—or even seems to worry about—how to stop it. So public defecation, urination, fornication, and injection continue unabated.
Current “science” is now synonymous with ideology, religion, or superstition. Lockdowns, mRNA vaccinations, masking, transgenderism, “climate change,” and green power brook no dissent. They are declared scientifically correct in the manner that the sun used to revolve around the earth, and any dissenting Galileo or Copernicus is cancel-cultured, doxxed, and deplatformed.
Our enemies—illiberal, deadly, and vengeful—have concluded we are more effective critics of ourselves than are they. They enjoy our divided nation, torn apart by racial incivility, dysfunctional cities, and woke madness. A visitor from another world might conclude Mexico has done more damage to America than North Korea, Iran, and Russia combined. It has, by intent, flooded our border with 20 million illegal aliens. It has allowed cartels with Chinese help to conduct multibillion-dollar profiteering by killing 100,000 Americans per year “
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“‘You can’t offset your way out of emissions’ – for once a Teal gets it right.”
“Imminent changes to the pricing rules for carbon offsets are reminders of a serious weakness in policies to encourage the exit from fossil fuels.
Sometimes there may be no substitutes.
That possibility is simply ignored in present climate policy.”
More at
https://www.onlineopinion.com.au/view.asp?article=22379
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The naivety of people.
It’s not about the emissions. It’s about extracting RENT for seeming to reduce emissions.
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