A very rare chance means the extraordinary Steven Mosher will be speaking in Perth tomorrow (Sunday) for the CNI. Tickets are free. (He is presenting on other topics in Sydney and Melbourne.)
Australia on the Frontline
Why China’s Dream is the New Threat to World Order
2.30 – 4.30pm, Sunday 19th March
Royal Perth Yacht Club, Crawley, Perth, Western Australia.
Steven W. Mosher is the President of the Virginia based Population Research Institute (1995 to present) and the author of a number of books on China, including Bully of Asia: Why China’s Dream is the New Threat to World Order, recently published in a new Australian edition by Wilkinson Press. His other books include Hegemon: China’s Plan to Dominate Asia and the World and China Misperceived: American Illusions and Chinese Reality.
He is frequently invited to address the US intelligence community on national security matters and to testify before U.S. Congress. He recently testified before the U.S. House Committee on Foreign Affairs on Beijing’s ongoing crackdown on dissent, before the Commission on Security and Cooperation in Europe (The Helsinki Commission) on the security implications of declining birthrates among our European and Asian allies, and before the U.S. House Committee on the Judiciary on Sex Selection Abortions in China, India, and the United States.
Mosher served as the Director of the Asian Studies Center at the California based Claremont Institute from 1986-95. In 1991 he was appointed to serve as Commissioner of the U.S. Commission on Broadcasting to the PRC (1991-2). He was educated at the University of Washington and Stanford University. Following a period of naval service with the U.S. Pacific Fleet (1973-76), in 1979 he became the first American social scientist permitted to do field research in China since the Communist revolution.“
Bully of Asia: Why China’s Dream is the New Threat to World Order “ will be available for sale.
Tickets are free. Everyone welcome. The CNI are the Council for the National Interest.
I am currently reading “the fire of the Dragon’ by Ian Williams.
If you can’t get to the advertised talk then the Book will give the full details on the threat that China will increasingly pose to the West. Truly scary but we have ignored this bully for far too long and conflict seems inevitable not to mention the direct threat they face to our leaders dreams of going green. We have a shocking dependence on chinas mining and processing of everything we rely on to keep the modern world functioning
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Are you following this story out of Canada?
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/don-martin-trudeau-can-t-ignore-the-dangers-of-chinese-meddling-in-canada-s-elections-1.6282811
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Justin Trudeau can safely ignore Chinese meddling in Canadian elections as long as it keeps him in power.
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‘ … we have ignored this bully for far too long …’
Russia is a bully, China comes in peace. It has a lot to do with Xenophobia and we should wake up to ourselves, the world has moved on.
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Go and hug a Chinese person as the Italians did early at Covid times in Italy as it was shown, it came from China.
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Sure, China comes in peace El Gordo, which is why they spend $300 billion a year on their military force and increased it this year by 7%.
They can’t afford to shut coal plants and “save the world” but the People’s Liberation Army have amassed the largest navy in the world.
All those submarines are there to feed the poor in Xinjiang.
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Just remind me, the US who always come in peace spends how much per annum on their military? Unless it was more fake news, I read north of 850 Bn USD for 2023.
All those super-carriers and strategic bombers are there to house the homeless in San Francisco, right?
While we’re making comparisons, what’s the ratio of Chinese overseas military bases compared to US overseas military bases? and in the last, say, half century, how many countries has China bombed or invaded compared to the US?
Yeah, China’s a real bully, lucky we have the good ole US of A keeping us, erm, them, er everyone under the thumb.
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Ask people in Tibet how they feel about the Chinese overseas military bases. Or the fishermen of the South China Sea.
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Nonsense. China does not come in peace. Will you be going to the talk or getting one of the books?
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Appalling trolling.
Xenophobia? What does that mean? It is not about the Chinese people or race but the behaviour of the Chinese Communist Party and the biggest military in the world. No one is calling India a bully, or Nigeria or Japan or Thailand or Indonesia or Saudi Arabia.
But questioning the stated intention of China to invade Taiwan is xenophobia? How?
And this week we Australians have again been ridiculed and directly threatened by China for attempting to defend ourseles in twenty years, maybe.
And we were punished severely when we even dared to ask for an inquiry into the origins of the Wuhan Flu. Even though everyone knew it was made in the Chinese Army controlled Wuhan laboratory? Built by the French and funded by the US. Everyone knew.
How many millions have died from China’s actions to spread death around the world. All countries were devastated. Boris Johnson nearly died. Many other world leaders were hospitalized. Xenophobia?
This is not a game. No one is particularly Xenophobic. It is a radical left wing defence of the bully and the clear and present dangerous actor, the one behind North Korea. And the xenophobic Chinese prison camps for Uighurs who appear to being used for organ harvesting, an abuse of human rights we have not seen since Hitler. Facial recognition technology to identify Uighurs in the street? Who is racist again?
I can only conclude trolling for fun but it is also an insult to everyone. Or is that the idea?
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‘Or is that the idea?’
Its not my style.
The CCP treats the Uighurs abysmally, but its within their own borders. They could say to us what about the incarceration rate of Australia’s indigenous population?
The Covid outbreak came from the Wuhan Lab, we all agree on that. What were Australians doing there?
Taiwan is a pipe dream of Premier Xi, he won’t be invading.
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Yes, it is. And it’s nice to know a China expert who can read the mind of President Xi.
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“The CCP treats the Uighurs abysmally, but its within their own borders.”
So that makes slave labor camps and forced organ donation OK then? Good to know where you stand.
There is no moral equivalence between an Australian jail and Uighur death camp.
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China lags behind US military spending, around $800 billion each year.
I don’t approve of the way Afghanistan treats women, but that is their political culture.
The Uighur camps are deplorable, but if that is how our biggest trading partner wants to behave ….
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El+gordo
Do please read one of the books mentioned, follow up the references and after accumulating knowledge then by all means return here to defend this despicable regime.
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Should Australian stop trading with China because of their atrocious, uncivilised behaviour?
Back in the day the Portuguese, Dutch and English were beastly, the Chinese are no different.
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Yes.
China wasn’t honest about Covid. It could have told the truth. It could have warned us. It could have allowed an investigation. Instead it destroyed the samples on Jan 1st and blocked an investigation. It could have stopped the flights out of wuhan. Instead the CCP abused strategic supply lines, infected the world, told us it was like the flu and not spread human to human.
And if it had been honest, we would have helped China, and we’d be happy to be strategically reliant on it for trade and goods like antibiotics, but now we’d have to be crazy…
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Covid was a disaster because China is a ruthless dictatorship and when the virus escaped there was panic among the minions. They didn’t know what to do, it was unprecedented, but by then Covid had taken the train to the airport and the rest is history.
There were others in the Wuhan Lab at the time of the outbreak, from the international community, do you know if they were there to examine bat droppings?
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The only Aborigines in jail are those who committed a serious enough crime to warrant incarceration. It is the White man’s fault because soft headed politicians like Goff Whitlam decided to treat them differently and gave them sit down money. [snip]
Currently they are not forced to work … and they are not required to donate their organs forcibly or otherwise. Their religion is so well admired by the left we are forced to observe welcome to country and smoking ceremonies on a daily basis. So no comparison to the CCP’s treatment of their ethnic minorities.
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Beijing is well aware that one in five of Australia’s indigenous population are incarcerated or have been incarcerated.
I see you are wearing your prejudicial shirt, very nice.
The CCP forced the local male population to shave off their beards and they were sent to prison camps. If you believe the propaganda they were taught Mandarin and a trade.
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“within their own borders.” Was Hong Kong within China’s borders? When does China live up to its promises?
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‘Was Hong Kong within China’s borders?’
Yes.
‘When does China live up to its promises?’
In what respect?
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“It is not about the Chinese people or race but the behaviour of the Chinese Communist Party”.
Exactly.
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Hmmm…
You’re wrong.
It is about the Chinese people. It is precisely about the Chinese people. They hold equal responsibility. Equally complicit.
They supply the cannon-fodder for the armed forces.
They comply at every turn.
They sell their integrity for 20 pieces of silver.
They are prepared to cheat, steal, and lie when it comes to doing business with the free world.
They accept that the international rule of law does not apply to them.
Having been invited into the global trading community they choose to ignore the obligations that flow from it.
And that’s just the half of it.
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Sam, we Australians are probably just as guilty as the Chinese populace in failing to “fight back”.
Leaders have a moral obligation to do the honorable thing by the population, but they are universally untrustworthy.
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” the international rule of law does not apply to them.”
Well , they’re not the only ones are they?
So why should they be the fools who play by the “rules based order”?
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Aloha!
It gets tiresome hearing “its not the Chinese people its the ccp”! Its like 1940 hearing its not the German people its the nazi party, but who was willingly in the nazi party and the nazi army? The German people. The German people did next to nothing to stop hitler! Lets not leave out Japan and the emperor. Stalin and Putin and the willing Russian people. Now biden and the willing American people. Now the WEF and willing billionaires who want to own global people! Its your country you fix the ccp! Lie flat and do a Ghandi! The ccp is bankrupting the people anyway!
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That’s a bit simplistic. No one said that. The CCP is not a fringe group but about 100 million people. The NAZIs were not a small group either. But both controlled their countries practically. The real hope of the West is that China fragments and cannot wage war, because at present there is no country which could resist. Just as the NAZIs steamrolled most of Europe. Bankrupting is an interesting concept in a sovereign state where the party controls most businesses, including banks. But the NAZIs needed war booty as they overspent not least on their war machine, so the hope that China implodes economically could turn into a reason to seize Taiwan and many other countries. And Xi’s speeches are about his wall of steel to resist attack, which is the same excuse of pretending there are major external threats to justify the massive spending on defence.
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‘The real hope of the West is that China fragments and cannot wage war …’
The US military industrial complex wages war all the time, on some pretext or another. This adventurism has to stop or there won’t be peace on earth.
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Rose coloured shades el+gordo. Straight out of the commo-sympathizers’ woodchuck manual.
When has there ever been “peace on Earth:?
Peace is more likely to come through the barrel of the gun than through dismemberment of the so-called military industrial complex.
The United Nations is a clear demonstration of how peace will never come through negotiation. Never. Humankinds brain is wired to respect power. Power comes through the barrel of the gun, coupled with the power of money.
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China is a modern capitalist dictatorship, socialism with Chinese characteristics, but in fact they are just fascists.
It has always been the way of men to fight, but with nuclear weapons at the ready it looks dodgy.
Focusing on China, this is clearly exploitation.
https://thediplomat.com/2023/01/nomads-mountains-and-militarization-in-the-tibetan-plateau/
History will say they came in peace with a bucketful of money and the people took fright. They are not going to invade Taiwan or Australia, we are already in their pocket.
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‘ … the hope that China implodes economically could turn into a reason to seize Taiwan …’
All we have to do is stop exporting fossil fuels to China and WW3 will break out. Thinking back to the days when America cut of fuel to Japan because of their brutal behaviour in China, it was a moral stand with unfortunate ramifications.
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Who are ‘we’ that shall stop exporting reliable energy to China? The Power of Siberia pipeline means ‘we’ are becoming irrelevant to China’s energy needs. If ‘we’ should cut off our nose to spite out face and stop exporting coal and LNG to China, ‘we’ go broke.
As far as the outbreak of WW3, I reckon we could wind the second hand back a few strokes from midnight if a few key players in the US deep state were to disappear. Or if ‘Murican attempts to provoke a shit fight over Taiwan can be parried a few more years then they’ll find themselves too broke to keep their large but increasingly obsolescent navy at sea. Or possibly dealing with some form of balkanization of their own.
…Then on current form, we end up very alone in Asia.
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Alone, apart from India — the largest population on Earth and Japan — the third largest economy.
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el+gordo, there is almost no nation on earth more xenophobic and racist than China.
Do you know what they call white people?
鬼佬 Gweilo or white/foreign devil, specifically referring to Westerners and in a pejorative sense.
And unlike the West, it is extremely difficult for a foreigner to obtain Chinese nationality.
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Its also hard for foreigners to become Swiss citizens.
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Yes, the Swiss keep a watch on applicants.
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Gweilo is a cantonese term. It comes from Hong Kong where the British treated the Chinese as second class citizens. The British history of crimes against the Chinese is well known. Is it any surprise that the Cantonese would have a term of non-endearment for such oppressors?
Chinese is a racist country, is that a crime and if so, by who’s standards? Being racist is just fine because terms like Gweilo are no longer considered an insult by the long-term residents of Hong Kong. In fact, Gweilo can be a term of endearment and recognition that white people still get a free pass in China because the Chinese don’t care what white people do as long as they don’t cause trouble. Many Chinese consider Gweilos to be lucky to have such freedom from social expectations and government attention. That is how the racism plays out: whites are given an easier time of it.
Interesting to see the group hate of China, especially when you sense the fear of being helpless without a powerful USA to protect Australia. Australia will simply be a slave to China instead of being a slave to the USA: will this realy change anything much? Sure, China will have a different style, but power never plays nice so maybe Australia should consider befriending China and avoiding becoming China’s Iraq.
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Thanks for dropping in, well said.
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The British also left Hong Kong a working government and great administration which aided that small country to become a centre of trade. The CCP took over Hong Kong because such wealth and happiness on their doorstep made the CCP look bad and would encourage mainlanders to want what the Hong Kong people had. The second reason was to import the Hong Kong know how to make the mainland just as prosperous which was achieved in places like Shanghai.
You like to bad mouth the British but every colony they established and subsequently gave back to the locals has thrived. Exceptions were when local corrupt leaders such as Mugabe denied the law and resorted to power at any cost. There are certainly no socialist colonies flourishing and very few French, Dutch or Spanish colonies doing as well as ex-British ones.
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el+gordo, attitudes such as yours explain why the West is in rapid decline and the Chicomms are laughing all the way to world domination.
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el gordo >”China comes in peace”
Well yes, it does – if that works. That’s part of their Winning Without Fighting strategy:
Winning Without Fighting: The Chinese Psychological Warfare Challenge
Dean Cheng, 2013
https://www.heritage.org/global-politics/report/winning-without-fighting-the-chinese-psychological-warfare-challenge
“At the moment, the PLA is not only planning for operations on the physical battlefield; it is also preparing to conduct “political warfare,” including what is termed the “three warfares”: public opinion warfare, legal warfare, and psychological warfare.”
War in a Time of Peace
“The Information Age provides unparalleled ability to influence both a nation’s leaders and its population. The core of the Chinese concept of psychological warfare is to manipulate those audiences by affecting their thought processes and cognitive frameworks. In doing so, Beijing hopes to be able to win future conflicts without firing a shot—victory realized through a combination of undermining opponents’ wills and inducing maximum confusion.”
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Also,
China’s All-Effects All-Domain Strategy in an All-Encompassing Information Environment
Thomas A. Drohan
https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/chinas-all-effects-all-domain-strategy-all-encompassing-information-environment
“China is wielding strategies that envelop opponents with an all-effects all-domain approach to national power. These effects are neither precise nor pre-ordained because they occur in an uncertain information environment that encompasses behavior by all sensors – living, or artificial. Drawing from a rich tradition of hybrid stratagems and holistic information, China’s leaders use a variety of asymmetric approaches that exploit weaknesses in opponents’ strategies.”
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China’s All-Effects All-Domain Strategy explains technology and intellectual property (IP) theft for example:
The 5 Faces Of Chinese Espionage: The World’s First ‘Digital Authoritarian State’
NICHOLAS EFTIMIADES, 2020
https://breakingdefense.com/2020/10/the-5-faces-of-chinese-espionage-the-worlds-first-digital-authoritarian-state/
“Chinese intelligence operations are the first in modern times to use, as a foundation, the whole of society.”
“Beijing has evolved to become the world’s first ‘digital authoritarian state’. Its creativity and ability to combine all the elements of ‘societal power,’ including espionage, information control, industrial policy, political and economic coercion, foreign policy, threat of military force, and technological strength challenges the world’s rules-based international order.”
How China’s Legal Framework Supports Espionage
“Chinese espionage emphasizes the development of China’s industries and the theft of foreign wealth. To that end, the Chinese state employs government agencies, organizations, commercial entities, individual entrepreneurs, Chinese expatriates, Chinese and foreign researchers to attain its espionage goals.”
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But, for the moment, they come in peace.
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The USA and the EU are very angry and upset over this … because they both wanted to be first!
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Good grief!
Two nuclear armed bully gangs – American Deep State led NATO on the one hand, and Chinese CCP led BRICS on the other, vie for world domination and control over the rest of us minions, and you lot are squabbling over which side will give us the more favourable serfdom.
If that is the case then we’re well and truly copulated.
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The way the West has caved into the Chicomms is unbelievable, they even have secret police stations in Australia and other countries. Even Far Left, pro-Chicomm SBS admits to it. E.g.
https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/china-allegedly-has-two-secret-police-stations-in-australia-what-do-we-know-about-them/dz2lmxb13
China allegedly had two secret police stations in Australia. What do we know about them?
A report says the stations are primarily set up to conduct a series of seemingly administrative tasks to aid Chinese people living overseas, but that “they also serve a far more sinister and wholly illegal purpose”.
The Safeguard Defenders has confirmed that a Chinese ‘police service station’ had been set up in Sydney, and alleges a second centre had also existed in another Australian location.
Source: AAP / Miguel Candela/EPA
KEY POINTS:
A report has found two secret Chinese police stations have been set up in Australia in recent years.
Australia is one of 53 countries listed as having had such a centre established.
Safeguard Defenders say these stations have been involved in persuading nationals to return to China to face criminal proceedings.
https://www.politico.eu/article/uk-police-china-london-glasgow-investigating-unacceptable-chinese-police-stations-in-britain/
Secret Chinese ‘police stations’ to be investigated around Britain
UK government vows to clamp down on ‘transnational repression.’
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63671943
Reports of Chinese police stations in US worry FBI
18 November 2022
The FBI is “concerned” by reports that secret “police stations” linked to China have been set up across the US.
A September report issued by the NGO Safeguard Defenders revealed the presence of these stations around the world, including in New York.
The FBI’s director, Christopher Wray, told senior politicians that the agency was monitoring reports of such centres across the country.
“We are aware of the existence of these stations,” Mr Wray said.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/report-of-china-run-police-station-spurs-govt-to-launch-multi-agency-probe/3V7VA7D4GNH7ROSTYFO6DX6HYI/
Report of China-run police station spurs Govt to launch multi-agency probe
By: Michael Neilson and Aaron Dahmen
6 Dec, 2022
The PM is asked about allegations of a China-run police station operating in NZ. Video / Mark Mitchell
The Government has launched a multi-agency probe into the possible existence of an offshore Chinese police centre in New Zealand.
It comes after a major investigative report from human rights watchdog Safeguard Defenders that claimed Beijing was using a global network of more than a hundred police stations around the world to intimidate and force its targets to return to China.
ETC. ETC. ETC.
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And in Ireland where the clearly labelled Chinese police stations are operating as if they have a legal right to do so wherever they like. And have been known to grab people off the street.
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https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/report-of-china-run-police-station-spurs-govt-to-launch-multi-agency-probe/3V7VA7D4GNH7ROSTYFO6DX6HYI/
What a fascinating video. I played it with the sound off , so that I could form an opinion on body language alone.
See what you think.
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What do you think the Chicomms will do with all this stolen data?
https://www.theverge.com/2014/7/13/5896251/us-charges-chinese-hackers-for-obtaining-military-data-from-boeing
US charges Chinese hackers for obtaining military data from Boeing, Lockheed Martin
By DANTE D’ORAZIO
Source THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Jul 14, 2014
The US government is continuing its efforts to put pressure on Chinese cyber-espionage activities. According to The Wall Street Journal, the US Justice Department filed charges against a Chinese national living in Canada named Su Bin. The business owner is charged with working with two anonymous hackers to illegally obtain information on military aircraft produced by US defense contractors.
The three conspirators allegedly worked from 2009 to 2013 on obtaining the information, and they were apparently successful in stealing some sensitive documents related to the Lockheed Martin-built F-22 and F-35 fighter jets, as well as Boeing’s C-17 military transport aircraft. The complaint additionally alleges that the conspirators provided Bin with a 1,467-page document of potential hacking targets. Bin could then select attractive files that he could then potentially sell to state-owned aerospace companies in China.
SEE LINK FOR REST
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Will the Perth event be live-streamed for non-Perth residents?
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Now that’s random red thumbing. Must be clicking quickly. Who needs to read?
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I’ve asked the organisers. There are no plans to at the moment, but inquiries are being made. I will see what I can arrange, if possible. Won’t be lifestreamed though. Might be available later or as a transcript..
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China and the World Economic Forum (globalists) are the world’s biggest threats.
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Building Back Better …. your will own nothing and be happier.
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Could the Spratly Islands be the major cause of military engagement in the Sth China seas?
The Chinese leader is a thug and a liar and won’t accept the courts’ decision that China has no Sovereignty over the Spratly group.
Unbelievable abuse and ignorance and the other 5 countries must stand up to this totalitarian thug and slave owner and abuser before it’s too late.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZFFSjPhU7Y
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Here’s a talk on China by Dr Steven Mosher about a week ago and he certainly is an intelligent person and understands and speaks Chinese as well.
If I was closer I would make the effort to attend his talk(s) in Australia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf-0z4uBKeo
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All the charges which are laid against China, could, with equal validity, be laid against any of the great powers. As a pacifist, I would prefer that my country stayed strictly neutral.
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Like Tibet did? That worked well…
Your vague handwaving attempt at moral equivalence is meaningless.
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China is running out of time, it has a population crises
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MSV2bh48MA
“The latest batch of Chinese demographic data has set off ALL the alarm bells, and for good reason. With birth rates barely over one and the population peaking last year, the alarm bells should have been sounded years ago.”
It would appear that you do no exist until you go to school in China. Those that run the local education authorities get central government finance dependent on how many pupils they have enrolled. One hundred million ghost children, buy a few flats in central London that.
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To be fair though, this observation applies equally to every country in the collective west, except possibly Hungary, which is why our ‘betters’ are all such big fans of open borders.
So when we’re all done arguing about who owns the rest of the world and are punch drunk, broke and to some extent depopulated, India and then later somewhere in Africa, perhaps Nigeria, will take turns becoming the movers and shakers of the world economy.
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Don’t forget China has a major ageing population problem, one-child policy now causing economic growth issues, also internal security management and control of the vast majority who are not elite party members.
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Many interesting comments on this thread.
One wonders if Mr. Mosher will speak of democratic countries that cracked down on dissent (physically and digitally), the mass destruction of liberties, and placing those who didn’t conform to absurd policy under arrest and in camps?
I hope he does, as we all saw it with our own eyes, and in our back yards, over the last few years.
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His other talks in Syd and Melb are titled coercion, control and informed consent, or something like that.
He knows how important free speech is.
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Melbourne talk is closed already.
However on a second read it is a dinner with a video presentation by Steve Mosher so he is likely not actually present.
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“He was educated at the University of Washington”
No he wasn’t. I was educated at the University of Washington and know the difference.
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🙂
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Steven DoubleYou Mosher is distinct from the Steven Mosher of climategate fame, right?
https://www.amazon.com/Climategate-Crutape-Letters-Steven-Mosher/dp/1450512437
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I thought I had seen the name before.
Seems like they might be different people.
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Whilst I knew that China’s influence within western democracies was pervasive, I was not aware just how extensive it was until I read Clive Hamilton’s “Hidden Hand” a few years ago. They have infiltrated to the highest and lowest levels, and it shows. It is seen not merely in industries beholden to Chinese trade, but within universities and the farming community. Profit affects opinions.
Subsequently, Peter Hartcher published “Red Zone”in 2021 and corroborated much of what Hamilton had discovered, and more. Finally, last year I was able to get the late Jim Molan’s “Danger on our Doorstep” & comprehended, for the first time, the danger that we face in respect to military and political defeat.
I recommend all three works. As with Covid and the vaccines, you need to do even the most basic reading to gain a perspective in this world of subterfuge and self interest.
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I live in the UK. Occasionally, I visit this site to see what “down under’s” view of the world is. So where are you guys with Aukus? You’ll be spending some A$368 billion over the next 30 years buying subs from the US and the UK. You’ll be getting three refurbished Virginia-class submarines from the US by 2030, which they were going to scrap. Then you’ll have to wait for the 2040s to get the “real deal”, that will keep our shipyards and defence industries in business in the US and UK. Wonderful, no problem with that.
When you get these goodies, what will you do with them, is the question.
In 2022, Australian exports to China amounted to some US$102 billion. So, are you going to twist the dragon’s tail by following Uncle Sam’s game plan, thus losing those exports? If you do fall in with Sam’s plan, how will you pay for those subs?
Just wondering.
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Jo this is just another China bashing post. Sure China is building up its navy and why wouldnt they? Just take look at all the US basis in the Pacific and surrounding China in particular.And why do they have them but to dominate the world! And by the way the US has more nuclear submarines than the rest of the world put together. Rational people should be calling for peace and demiltarisation not bulding more. Nuclear submarines are awesome and terrifying weapons of war and they are nothing to be proud of for anyone. The US was the first country to develop nuclear powered submarines complete with nuclear missiles. And where do they deploy them but off the coast of China. China has never threatened the west with war in the way that the US does every day of the week. This shamefull . .
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How do they feel?
I’d guess at Greedy.
Forty five years ago China was repulsed by Vietnam after a vicious bit of push and shove.
Vietnam is probably very anxious over the Spratlys intrusions and Tibet can’t feel anything, they’re just crushed.
Other than what’s going on in the Pacific, South America and Africa, all’s good.
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