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    David Maddison

    Someone posted a meme on Farcebook that said:

    People are so concerned with my kids being weird because they’re home schooled and there’s literally kids walking the halls in school identifying as a cat.

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      Dennis

      Some of their parents must identify as goats.

      lol

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      Memoryvault

      It’s a pity so few of them identify as “students” these days.

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      Broadie

      there’s literally kids walking the halls in school identifying as a cat.

      ‘Furries’ David, though that is probably old hat now.

      These are symptoms. The cause is no hope and no future, the breakdown of the family and indoctrination not education.

      Let us just say thing are running smoothly and as planned.

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        Graham Richards

        My eldest brother told me, 50 + years ago that the left of politics was intent on destroying the fabric of society by destroying the family unit! He was an airline pilot ( SAA ) & had a lot of exposure of the politics of UK, Europe & USA. All those years ago he was able to read the political climate & he was spot on with nearly all of his predictions!

        I watched it happen ever since & when you tell people what’s going they think you’re weird.

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          Ted1.

          I was taught that in Catholic (Marist) schools in the 1950s.

          I didn’t believe it possible, but I was wrong.

          And it happened because people whose responsibility it was to defend the truth just didn’t bother.

          The head of that list was Fraser. He seemed to regard the liars as beneath contempt.

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      What is it about all of this identity rubbish?

      You are either a cat or you are not. Imagine just before the Zebra gets pounced upon by the Lioness, it says, but, I identified you as a rabbit. Munch, munch. Game (and no pun intended) over.

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        b.nice

        Of course, if the zebra had identified itself as a Tyrannosaurus Rex, it would have been perfectly safe. 😉

        … and the lioness would be running for its life. !

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        paul courtney

        Mr. Rotten: It is rubbish, and many are waking up to it now, but Graham Richard’s older brother, above, is not surprised. As I see it, the over-fifty year project still in progress is, simply put, an attack on truth. The Left realized long ago that they can’t handle the truth, and it had to be treated like clay, so they could mold the new “truth”. Science and other institutions had to be taken like termites, and we’ve slept through most of it. Now, the stark, obvious insanity of it all is so loud, can’t sleep through it. In a classic case of projection, they scream at us that we can’t handle their “truth”.
        To demonstrate the insanity, I like to propose that we treat some other mental disorder the same as this. Schizophrenics can be treated as if the person is two or more people, and activists within the medical profession can be bought or bullied to follow along. Plus, to complete the medical “treatment”, all of us must go along with the delusion, and treat the person like there are more than one of him or her. The doctors promoting this “treatment” for trannies should be forced to answer: Which other illness gets this as treatment?

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      el+gordo

      Too early to call, even BoM is treading carefully, my money is still on Modoki.

      What do you make of the marine heatwave around Japan?

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        crakar24

        Modoki means shed loads of rain in SA its another form of La Nina

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          el+gordo

          There are two phases: El Nino Modoki and La Nina Modoki, and they have different impacts on Australia.

          Its a strange animal, one has cold water in the middle, but at the moment that seems a forlorn hope. The other phase has warm water in the middle and cooler at the ends, but I can’t see the Western Pacific Warm Pool becoming cooler.

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      Graeme#4

      That change in ocean current temps around Galapagos will impact all life there.

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      Robert Swan

      I’m mystified by all this El Nino watching. I remember a mostly sensible friend of mine who obsessed about it nearly 30 years ago. He seemed to find it entertaining, but have we got anywhere with it since then? As I understand it, the experts check out the ocean temperatures and crunch the numbers and cogitate over what they mean, and sometimes they let us know that it might be leaning a bit this way or that. But it’s only after everyone’s realised we’re having a dry time here that, to great fanfare, the gurus tell us El Nino has kicked in.

      Taking a Google around to try to find the point of ENSO, there are plenty of weasel words:

      we can often predict its arrival many seasons in advance of its strongest impacts on weather and climate

      El Niño and La Niña can make extreme weather events more likely in certain regions

      In the past La Niña years have been correlated with an increased chance of wetter springs.

      Sounds as wooly as financial advice.

      I didn’t try to stop my friend, and I’m not trying to stop you either, but can someone explain how this is anything more than putting fancy names to wet spell, dry spell and ’bout normal?

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        RickWill

        I’m mystified by all this El Nino watching.

        It is an observable change in one part of the Pacific that impacts a large portion of global weather.

        My wife knows that the dry spell here in Victoria is caused by the El Nino phase and dislikes it with some passion because it means precious plants will struggle unless she gets out there and gives them extra water. We are coming to the end of the best 3 years of growing that I can recall. But cherries have failed the last two years because they have been too wet.

        I am yet to find the definitive answer for the phase shift.

        The El Nino that is forming should not be as intense as 2016 because the Nino34 region is just coming out of the minimum of its 11 year cycle. So the El Nino will arrive near a minimum rather than a peak. The El Nino in late 2020s or early 2030s will arrive nearer the peak and could peak higher than 2016.

        ENSO is a weather phenomena of global significance.

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          Robert Swan

          RickWill,

          ENSO is a weather phenomena of global significance.

          No doubt ocean temperature patterns have a huge effect on the weather all around them.

          Something that *used* to be prominent when people were talking about ENSO was the Southern Oscillation Index (this was what my mate used to work at). That hinged on the idiotic idea that you could reduce a massive and complicated physical body, the Pacific Ocean + atmosphere, to a single number and still have something meaningful. Perhaps the reason we don’t hear so much about the Southern Oscillation Index is that it was too obviously wrong too often. Now predictions are even more vague and unscientific than they used to be.

          ENSO comes from just the same stable as a Global Surface Temperature. All the important information has been lost. After all the data gathering, study, computers, etc., you tell a farmer (or your wife) that we’re in an el nino phase: it tells them no more than looks like being a dry season.

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          Robert Swan

          RickWill,

          I apologise for my reply yesterday evening. Your response was clear and courteous, and I rewarded it with a glib spray that you didn’t deserve. I should have turned the computer off, as I had been about to do, rather than rattle in that quick response.

          That said, I’m still far from convinced.

          Your mention of nino34 got me to this page, which tells me that it doesn’t all come down to a single number anymore (which I think it did in the ’90s). Better, but it all seems to have been cobbled together from statistical analysis, with “physics theories” invented post-hoc. In particular, I love how Trenberth’s 2016 article helpfully explains the well-known process of convection then, in the next paragraph, tells us of continental-scale teleconnections, which seems to be techno-babble fit for Star Trek.

          So, even after a good night’s sleep and having read around it a little, the ENSO stuff still looks more like phrenology than science.

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    RickWill

    Who invented the drug penicillin?

    Answer before and after searching. And which search engine?

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      Graeme#4

      Before searching: An Australian. Think surname starts with “F”.

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        The problem is the liars and scam artists at UN agencies who claim that it is,.

        I’ve told this before here, but some time ago.

        About 1995 or so an old lady rang in on talkback 2CR ABC radio. In the 1880s in England her grandfather contracted blood poisoning by way of an infection in his leg.

        This caused great consternation in the household, because the breadwinner was about to die.

        Her grandmother answered a knock on the door to find there a hawker. Seeing her distress he inquired the problem, went back to his cart and returned with some cobwebs and mouldy bread, and instructions on how to prepare and apply a poultice to the wound. This she did, and it healed miraculously.

        There was then great excitement in the family when penicillin was discovered, because this explained that event.

        THe question I ask is how many generations had that knowledge been handed down to that hawker?

        My mother was nursing when penicillin came into use. She said “all of a sudden our pneumonia patients stopped dying.”

        =====—

        Now I think i xN SEE WHAT’S WRONG. TED1

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        Annie

        Fleming?…didn’t search.

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      Sambar

      Well discovered by a Scottish fellow but develop by an Ozzie bloke Both surnames started with “F”. Used to be taught in schools in the late 40’s and 50’s. It was considered important to know where things came from at one point. I ( along with many here ) are the first generation after this greatest medical discovery ever. My parents used to talk about all the relatives and friends that would have survived even very minor illnesses if only this had been found “a few years earlier”.
      Of course as one of the unintended consequences people got to believing that death didn’t really exist except for the very old and that medical science can cure almost everything

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        BrianTheEngineer

        Florey’s magic bullet, the Aussie.

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        Graeme No.3

        Alexander Fleming first published about the efficiency of penicillin but it took Florey & Chaim to make some available and prove that it could heal sick people. Their work was passed to the USA who went into large scale production.
        Fleming left research and went into private practice in Harley Street, making a good living from discrete treatment of wealthy patients with VD.
        His name was added to the Roll of Honour by the UK Government because he was the only one of the 3 who was born in England, and the government wanted to show that Britain was still a leading nation (similarly Whittle & the jet engine, and the claims of the invention of radar).
        The French installed a radar system on the Normandie (to warn of icebergs) about 2 years before Watson-Watt got any enthusiasm from the RAF. Radar was installed on a German pocket battleship as early as 1936.
        In 1938 Erhard Milch on a trip to England to meet senior RAF officers suddenly asked “how are you going with your radar* development?” He then volunteered that he thought the Germans were ahead.
        * radio location.

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          Sambar

          I recall reading Florey on how he developed penicillin and the subsequent trials on both animals and humans. Somewhere he made the comment that “if penicillin had ONE adverse effect on humans the developmemt would not have continued thereby delaying the use of antibiotics for many decades”
          Clearly far more rigorous testing than on the latest “miracle vaccine”.

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          Leo G

          Alexander Fleming first published about the efficiency of penicillin …

          Ernest Duchesne first described the efficiency of penicillin (P glaucum) in his 1898 thesis. Prior to that, Joseph Lister experimented with the antibacterial action of a Penicillium mould in 1871.

          Alexander Fleming published a paper in the British Journal of Experimental Pathology in 1929 in which he mistakenly implied that penicillin was a bacteriolytic enzyme. Fleming never tested the bactericidal power of penicillin in animals.

          Biochemist Ernst Chain had recalled Fleming’s references to penicillin and suggested to his pathologist colleague Howard Florey that they include penicillin in their joint investigation of antibacterial substances.

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          PeterPetrum

          Although the Scotsman Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin in 1928, it could not have been around in Wales in 1944. That winter I, as an adventurous 4 year old, jumped off a brick wall into a snow drift – and vanished. A long time later my mother discovered me and dug me out, frozen to the marrow. I developed pleurisy in both lungs. My uncle, a GP, treated me with sulphonamides and I recovered, slowly. Would have been quicker with penicillin I think.

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            Leo G

            it could not have been around in Wales in 1944.

            The first human safety trial of penicillin was in January 1941 on volunteer Elva Akers who was dying of inoperable cancer. The trial was not entirely successful.

            The first treatment trial was in February 1941 on policeman Albert Alexander. He was given an IV injection of 200mg of penicillin followed by 100mg doses at three-hourly intervals for six days. The penicillin for the last three days of that regime involved recovering penicillin from his urine.

            The treatment was effective but Alexander’s lung infection returned in early March and there was no further penicillin available to resume treatment and he died of widespread staphylococcal infection on 15 March 1941.

            My own father was treated with penicillin for an ear infection in a Bougainville field hospital in 1945. The treatment worked but he spent 2 weeks recovering from an allergic reaction to the penicillin.

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        The problem is the liars and scam artists at UN agencies who claim that it is,.

        Bells ringing, or did i dream this?

        The son of a lord of the realm became trapped in a Scottish bog, a deadly situation.

        He was rescued by a farmer named Fleming.

        In gratitude the lord offered to see that the son of the farmer got as good an education as his own son, which happened.

        The farmer Fleming’s son was Alexander, the discoverer of penicillin.

        The boy in the bog was Winston Churchill.
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        I forgot to sort the gremlins out. a reboot didn’t ffix it. Ted1.

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      Tarquin+Wombat-Carruthers

      Sir Howard Florey

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    Graeme#4

    Eclipse underway – quite dark in Perth now.

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    Dennis

    Lidia Thorpe’s father has sensationally slammed the Victorian Senator in a piercing barb claiming his daughter is a “very racist person”.
    Roy Illingworth made the shock revelations in an exclusive interview with Sky News Australia host Andrew Bolt which will air on Foxtel from 7pm on Thursday.

    He told The Bolt Report host he was “disappointed” by how his controversial daughter had abandoned her English and Irish roots.

    “The way I see it, the way she is and the way she’s changed over the years, she’s a very racist person,” Mr Illingworth said.

    “She doesn’t acknowledge any of her white side. I’m a bit disappointed in the way she’s been carrying on lately.

    “Because after all, she does have English background as well as Irish, the convict side of the English.”

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      Yarpos

      She appears to be like many on the thralls of a cult. Its the prism she sees the world through. I expact an adjustment before the govt funding finishes though.

      Who knows, her skills and talents may be in demand in any of the 100+ indigenous organizations that litter the landscape.

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    Hanrahan

    Is “healthy morning juice” a contradiction in terms?

    The term “juice” generally means 25% actual fruit juice and if it’s OJ then it could easily be Californian concentrate fortified with ascorbic acid. Whether it has added sugar or natural fructose it is still sweet.

    I have been buying juices marked 100% Australian fruit but thinking about that, it doesn’t mean that the bottle contains 100% fruit juice, just that what is there is Australian produce.

    I don’t want added sugar nor do I want high fructose. Any suggestions?

    I recently tried a grapefruit juice shandied with some orange/mango from Woolies in a 1 litre carton. The mango is strong and takes the edge off the grapefruit.

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      John Connor II

      I know what you mean. Labelling is a joke and despite minor improvements in recent times, a lot more is needed, especially in defining ingredients and country it was grown in.

      eg “100% Australian chicken” sounds good, right?
      Then you realise any part of the chicken qualifies.

      But back to your question – you need to go for organic products so you don’t get the sugar.
      Both Woolies and Coles stock them or you can go to health food bulk buy shops or grow/squeeze your own fruit.

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        Dennis

        Like the Aussie chicken farmer who asked for a bank loan to extend his business premises, he told the bank manager that he had succeeded in breeding three legged chickens and therefore added sales value for the business, and the loan was granted.

        A couple of months later the excited bank manager drove to the chicken farm to see how the venture was proceeding. And there they were, hundreds of three legged chickens running everywhere on the free range farm. Impressed, the bank manager congratulated the farmer and asked how sales were going. The farmer shook his head and frowned, and replied: “breeding them was one thing, try to catch the b*ast*rds.

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      RickWill

      Water is good. If you want a bit of zing, pick a lemon and squeeze it into the water.

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      b.nice

      You want OJ, this is the stuff to get. https://www.nudie.com.au/nudie-orange-juice/

      (nb.. I have no affiliation with Nudies OJ, except the amount I drink 🙂 )

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      Hasbeen

      Why don’t you buy the fruit & juice your own?

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        b.nice

        My citrus trees have been very “unsuccessful” so far. 🙁 Maybe next year.

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          robert rosicka

          All this talk of water and juice – meh , fill a glass to 99% full of vodka then add water or juice to taste it’s the perfect morning pick me up !

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        Hanrahan

        I cook a fiddly breakfast already. Let’s think: Bacon, an egg each cooked differently, onion, capsicum, sauerkraut, corn kernels or maybe beans, tomato, beetroot, avocado if they look OK, [small serves of course] toast, juice and a coffee for myself. I add some vit C to the drinks and collagen to mine [hope it helps the knees] which means I whisk my fruit drink with collagen, my lady’s egg and my coffee, so I’ll pass on squeezing oranges which have too much fructose anyway and like all fruit in the tropics are expensive.

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    John Connor II

    Is NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine) and Bromelain (BromAc) effective in breaking down the mRNA technology (or DNA) based COVID gene injection induced spike protein? Akhter et al.’s research says YES!

    This promising research suggests that recombinant spike and envelope SARS-CoV-2 proteins were disrupted by BromAc. Spike and envelope protein disulfide bonds were reduced by Acetylcysteine.

    These three (3) embedded studies raises very exciting potential for NAC and Bromelain as a means to dissolve spike protein. We have been extolling the virtues of NATTOKINASE (natural blood thinner) in support and dissolving spike protein (in TWC’s Spike Recovery product) yet NAC and Bromelain (combination BromAc is revealing enhanced activity against spike protein) deserves mention.

    https://palexander.substack.com/p/is-nac-n-acetyl-cysteine-and-bromelain

    I think it was DM who was into NAC and Pineapple.
    Looks to be a good way to go as far as the spike protein goes anyway.

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      Broadie

      My understanding is Cliff Hawkins has been an advocate of Bromelain from the beginning of the discussion of the spike protein, man-made or of natural origin.

      I have had good feed back on pineapple’s efficacy from those who were suffering continual re-infection after the shots. I had passed to them the recommendation from a local pathologist who, having been in contact with Hawkins, was advocating the benefits of pineapple. Mind you the Pathologist of 30 years experience was also telling all and sundry that there were at least six things in the shot that could kill you.
      Hawkins is not a hippy with a marquee at Nimbin, he was one of the old school chemistry lecturers. An artifact of the days when facts were required to support a concept. We now know the performance of delivering the narrative in front of a welcoming audience is the victor with what are essentially preachers dominating our destiny.

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    John Connor II

    Duke University professor says US needs to enact $14 TRILLION reparations program which would hand $350,000 to every black American descendant of slaves

    An economics professor at Duke University has called for the United States to issue reparations to every black American descendant of slaves at a cost of $14 trillion.

    William Darity, who co-authored the book ‘From Here to Equality: Reparations for Black Americans in the Twenty-First Century,’ shared his plan on Tuesday’s episode of Dr. Phil.

    Darity suggested the US government issue the funds in much the same way it sent out checks to millions of Americans during the onset of the COVID-19 pandemic.

    ‘It would be paid by the federal government in the same way in which the federal government has met the expenses that were paid out for the purposes of trying to deal with the great recession and also, most recently, with the economic downturn associated with the great pandemic,’ he said.

    Darity said if the $14 trillion was distributed evenly across 40 million people whose ancestors were in the chattel slavery system it would equal about $350K per person.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11991447/Duke-University-professor-says-needs-enact-14-TRILLION-reparations-program.html

    How do these morons get to be professors?
    Send in $5 along with 3 cereal box tops?
    (Or was that health experts? 😄)
    Go study the history of slavery on the planet for dawg’s sake!
    It’s all a bad dream, it’ll end soon…

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    John Connor II

    Thursday ejukayshun: a mosquito’s foot

    https://64.media.tumblr.com/cb6aa9edde9db45c6e6002fd04fdd4eb/dfb2c3e9e3d74b0e-b7/s1280x1920/144362d4ce9a96601ded4e2287d271fa0e0b3073.jpg

    Ok evolution – explain that (and a few billion other such things)

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      Jay Jade

      “Evolutionists … have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.“ Richard Lewontin

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        If Lewontin has any evidence or reasoning it would be better to include it.

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          Jay Jade

          Hi Jo.
          Richard Charles Lewontin, who died in 2021, was an American evolutionary biologist. And he was a staunch evolutionist. His quote above simply indicates that he was also an honest man. I consider Lewontin’s quote was a fair response to JCII’s challenge.

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        Google Archipelago

        It was aether denial that made pure materialism appear mandatory. We have to stamp out that junk science before we can get a more balanced approach to evolution.

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        Google Archipelago

        I am on the evolution side in principle but I find myself backing arguments made by some of the better intelligent design crowd. Just on a technicality. On that they are technically better than the opposing ideologues. Like for example with abiogenesis. Its established to the nth degree that this is chemically impossible on the surface of planets. So instead of changing the venue, decade after decade they just whistle past the graveyard. Right away they ought to have transferred the venue to somewhere where the chemistry is radically different to what is possible on planet surfaces. So thanks to this bloodymindedness they have made very little progress since the 1950’s. If it was still the 1950’s I would have thought the debate was over. But their lack of real progress suggests something is terribly wrong.

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    Penguinite

    WEF “Self-appointed earth saviours seek to manage every aspect of our lives”.
    The climate religion cannot handle a decentralized world. They need to control the means of production, the distribution of food, and control of the movement of people. “Morano: This is our future if we allow it. First, they came for your energy, then your transportation, then your meat and high-yield agriculture, and now they’re coming after rice production”.
    Sounds a lot like Communism to me! Fewer people are easier to control. They have already convinced us that birth control and abortion can operate in tandem and traditional families and females are of no consequence.

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    John Connor II

    Joe Biden – we have a thousand billionaires in America. Y’know how much tax they pay?

    https://twitter.com/DontWalkRUN/status/1648773308756664320/

    Running again in 2024? He couldn’t run for the toilet.

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      b.nice

      “Joe Biden – we have a thousand billionaires in America”

      Attacking the people who fund him… Not very bright !

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    Gerry

    Anyone else having problems accessing NoTrickZone ? Any solutions?

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    John Connor II

    The Novelty of mRNA Viral Vaccines and Potential Harms: A Scoping Review.

    Pharmacovigilance databases are showing evidence of injury in the context of the modified COVID-19 mRNA products. According to recent publications, adverse event reports linked to the mRNA COVID-19 injections largely point to the spike protein as an aetiological agent of adverse events, but we propose that the platform itself may be culpable. To assess the safety of current and future mRNA vaccines, further analysis is needed on the risks due to the platform itself, and not specifically the expressed antigen. If harm can be exclusively and conclusively attributed to the spike protein, then it is possible that future mRNA vaccines expressing other antigens will be safe. If harms are attributable to the platform itself, then regardless of the toxicity, or lack thereof, of the antigen to be expressed, the platform may be inherently unsafe, pending modification.

    https://www.mdpi.com/2571-8800/6/2/17

    All starting to be exposed and falling apart, but once the damage is done to the population, what good is the study afterwards?

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      Memoryvault

      once the damage is done to the population, what good is the study afterwards?

      Which was the whole idea right from the start. What does it really matter what studies establish now? The damage is done and we haven’t even begun to see the adverse results.

      We have just witnessed the greatest mass genocide in the history of humanity. All that is left is for the dying to begin in earnest. Why do you think governments around the world, especially western govts including ours, are working towards mass, rigid population control?

      Did you really think it was all just to make a few billionaires richer, or to implement Klaus Schwab’s crazy technocratic society wet dreams?

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        Adellad

        Have you any evidence, or even just a feeling re when this is going to become so manifestly obvious that even Australian mainstream media shall have to report on it? Or would that be the 12th of Never no matter what?

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          Memoryvault

          The dying has already started and I gave a step by step and month by month timetable for implementation of the control system the other day.

          That kicked off with Safe Search going live last Thursday at 4.00 pm AEST.

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            Hanrahan

            The dying has already started…….

            But no one is counting.

            My sons are yet to concede that I was right to refuse the jab. Never will.

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          Google Archipelago

          What makes you think that the media is forced to reveal obvious things in the first place? Are you going to force them? Can I? Quite the contrary they are forced to hide obvious things. By people who can blackmail or finance those who make day to day decisions.

          When the vaccine rollout started so did the ambulance sirens. Every hour. That is an obvious thing that many people experienced but why would you imagine that this would lead to press reportage? Obviously the whole Covid campaign couldn’t go ahead if the media was not on board or otherwise in control before the start of it. Of course Memoryvault has evidence. There isn’t evidence to be found for the contrary point of view. If you want to find the obvious evidence the first thing you do is go to media that isn’t censored or controlled. So for example my library bans bitchute. This is Australia we are talking about but we are so under control that you can’t get bitchute in a public library.

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        Hanrahan

        No thinking government wants to control population. Parents with a couple of kids have to work their buts off so they can spend far more than I do. It is THEY that increase GDP, not me.

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      Steve of Cornubia

      What we’re seeing is a slow leak of truth around the vaccines, done in such a way as to cause as few ripples as possible, such that the media can act a little like controlled opposition. They can just allow another paper to be published, perhaps claiming to show a link between excess deaths and vaccination uptake, metaphorically raise their eyebrows a tad … then move on to some other story.

      Give it a year or two and it will all be out there – but classified as ‘old news’, nothing to get worked up about. I mean, we ALL knew the risks, time was of the essence, billions of lives were saved, etc, etc.

      Now, where were we? Oh yes, back to Putin.

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    Stanley

    According to reports from Exmouth, the temperature suddenly dropped 5 degrees during today’s total eclipse. What does this tell us about incoming solar radiation, the ability of ground and atmosphere to retain heat, and the role of CO2 to trap heat? Please discuss.

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      Memoryvault

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      Got dark = cows asleep = stop farting = no methane = temperature drop!

      Simples!
      Can I have my PhD in Climate Science now?

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      Simon

      I’ve experienced a full solar eclipse on a cloud-free low humidity day in Johannesburg and can confirm that it feels cooler (and the birds stop singing). I’ve also experience partial solar eclipses on cloudy days with no apparent temperature change. Temperatures will cool if outgoing radiation > incoming, clouds can partially block incoming solar radiation, and water vapour can trap heat.

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        b.nice

        ” and water vapour can trap heat.”

        You left out an important word…

        and ONLY water vapour can trap heat.

        Except it transports another sort of energy instead.

        The lapse rate calculations take that into account….

        .. which is why the dry lapse rate is about 9.8ºC/km…

        .. and the wet lapse rate can be significantly lower.

        Note: There is no such thing as a CO2 based lapse rate.

        CO2 does not figure into atmospheric energy transfer calculations.

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          If water vapor can trap heat, why can’t other GHGs?

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            Hanrahan

            I can’t discuss the science, I don’t know much, but it gets cooler on a clear starry night than an overcast one. Exaggerated in the dry air over the desert.

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            b.nice

            Latent heat.

            It actually transports pretty much the same amount of energy..

            … that is why lapse rate calculations used for wet lapse rate calculations take the varied specific energy into account.

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              b.nice

              CO2 has basically zero effect on the specific energy, hence lapse rate.

              (increased CO2 gives a very tiny decrease in SE, hence it actually increases the lapse rate, but by an immeasurable amount)

              H2O can change the lapse rate from around 9.8C/km to around 6.5C/km or even lower, slowing the apparent lower atmospheric cooling rate significantly.

              Not only that, but the release of its latent energy at cloud level, creates significant measurable radiation at frequencies that can penetrate the atmosphere below.

              https://ibb.co/mBrzRMH

              Note what is doing all the re-emitting below the nominal tropopause.

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                Water vapor is obviously the most important greenhouse gas, it runs at 10,000 to 40,000 ppm with many absorption bands where CO2 is only 400ppm. Water also changes the albedo of Earth in it’s different states, clouds, snow, ice, ocean etc. But CO2 is not nothing. In a long term drip drip sense it is theoretically possible it would have an effect.

                The absorption of CO2 at 15μm is near the peak of the blackbody outgoing curve, so it’s at the right wavelength to interfere with the maximal outgoing energy flow. The climate modelers have that basic physics correct. What they don’t have is the feedbacks — they can’t predict what clouds and rain will do or even humidity, as we know from the hot spot debate.

                If we are going to take the high moral ground in science we need to be correct. That’s why I’m careful to say that CO2 likely does some warming, but its 1/6th or 1/10th of what they say, it’s so small we can’t measure it definitively against the noise, and it’s beneficial. Life likes warmth.

                And all the flora and fauna and microbes and oceans on Earth are sinks and sources of CO2, so it’s a fair question to ask whether our tiny contribution is even changing global atmospheric levels very much. The big controller is The Pacific Ocean. Even phytoplankton have more effect than we do.

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                b.nice

                CO2 acts as a conduit. That’s all.

                It translates a weak, narrow band of radiation into convective uplift as part of the normal processes in the atmosphere.

                This is proven by actual measurements showing that the increase in that very narrow weak band being translated to an increase in outgoing radiation through the main atmospheric window. https://i.ibb.co/WBzWpZz/radiative-change-2.jpg

                The Connelly father/son combo, used millions of sets of balloon data, and showed that the only perturdation of the linear energy gradient was from H2O in the lower atmosphere.

                There is no case to be made for warming by increased CO2.. never measured, never observed.

                Yes.. we do need to get the science correct.

                The gravity thermal gradient overcomes any possibility of CO2 causing warming.

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                b.nice, you may have a model in your mind of how the “gravity thermal gradient” overcomes all the radiative changes instantly, but moving kilotons of molecules in the atmosphere is much slower than the speed of photons. Wind, storms and rain work on timescales of hours and days. It’s never at equilibrium anyhow.

                The area under the curve in those lines of radiance change can’t be calculated accurately enough. The water vapor bands are narrow (but there are lots of them). The errors in the changes in the “wings” of the absorption bands in such a complex pattern overwhelm any attempt to measure it accurately.

                See Water Vapor absorption.

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            Kalm Keith

            Other GHGs don’t have the phase transitions at 0°C and 100°C.

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            Google Archipelago

            Well for one thing the water vapor would tend to pre-empt the others in most areas.

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    John Connor II

    Australian farmers ‘crippled’ by satellite failure as GPS-guided tractors grind to a halt

    Tractors have ground to a halt in paddocks across Australia and New Zealand because of a signal failure in the satellite farmers use to guide their GPS-enabled machinery, stopping them from planting their winter crop.

    The satellite failure on Monday was a bolt from the blue for farmers in NSW and Victoria, who were busy taking advantage of optimal planting conditions for crops including wheat, canola, oats, barley and legumes.

    “You couldn’t have picked a worse time for it,” said Justin Everitt, a grain grower in the Riverina who heads NSW Farmers’ grains committee.

    “Over the past few years, all these challenges have been thrown at us, but this is just one we never thought would come up.”

    Tractors that pull seed-planting machinery, as well as the massive combine harvesters that reap Australia’s vast grain crops, are high-tech beasts that can cost hundreds of thousands of dollars.

    https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/farmers-crippled-by-satellite-failure-as-gps-guided-tractors-grind-to-a-halt-20230418-p5d1de.html

    Skynet knows best. 😁

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      James Murphy

      There are now multiple satellite navigation constellations, GLONASS, GALILEO, BeiDou, etc. Maybe the manufacturers need to diversify a bit.
      I’m not actually sure if these systems use the same geoids or ellipsoids, but even if they do not, it is not rocket science to transform coordinates between systems.

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      KP

      I quite recently saw articles talking about Russia’s ability to jam or disable enemy satellites.. strange this should come up now.

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    Andrew McRae

    Regarding Garrison’s latest cartoon. https://grrrgraphics.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Inside-china_joe-head_xi-768×605.jpg

    You see, what I told you was true, from a certain point of view.
    When Joe’s greed became dependent on earnings from Chinese state joint ventures, he became Derr Fader and stopped being the person you knew as Joe Biden.
    He’s more muh-Xi-ing now than c’mon man.

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    el+gordo

    Ross McKitrick has a few words to say on troposphere warming.

    ‘In sum, based on a preliminary analysis the new NOAA data do not support a claim that warming in the troposphere has undergone a statistically-significant change in trend. The Global and Tropical TTT series show no support for the claim. The Global MT series appears to show support but only if the break data is placed in a specific interval in the early part of the last decade, and more recently the tests do not support acceleration.’ (Climate Etc)

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    Memoryvault

    Just a heads up for those interested.

    Spacex are scheduled to make their second attempt at test launching Starship at 10.45 pm AEST.

    https://www.spacex.com/launches/mission/?missionId=starship-flight-test

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      James Murphy

      I hope it launches this time.

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      Andrew McRae

      Holding the countdown AGAIN.
      Thirty minutes of hype and then this.
      Booster pressurisation problem.
      They reckon they will still go ahead.

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        Andrew McRae

        It cleared the tower and passed max-Q then…
        more of an explodey flight than a landing flight.
        But it looked great up until then! 😀

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      KP

      Damm! Booster got it up to 38km OK, but it didn’t separate. ..well, not in the way it was meant to!

      Maybe next time…

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        James Murphy

        It’s still forward progress. It did look interesting as it was spinning around a few times before they made it go bang.

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      James Murphy

      One livestream had a short interview with Elon Musks mother, very amusing…

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      Mike Jonas

      The report says “The result is “counterintuitive,” says climate scientist Robert Allen of the University of California, Riverside. It happens because of the way that methane’s shortwave absorbance affects clouds in different layers of the atmosphere“.

      Counterintuitive? I think not. The misnamed ‘Greenhouse effect’ is from greenhouse gases (including methane) intercepting outgoing longwave radiation and re-radiating half of it back towards Earth. So, if methane intercepts incoming short wave radiation (that’s sunshine), it must re-radiate half of it away from Earth, ie. into space, and therefore it must cool. If it makes more cloud too, then that’s additional cooling.

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    David Maddison

    Does anyone know if the Ryobi One+ range is designed for handyman or professional use?

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      Hanrahan

      Isn’t Ryobi a Bunnings house brand?

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      robert rosicka

      Have a few Ryobi products and I can honestly say the drill is better than the horrendously more expensive Milwaukie brand .

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        KP

        I use a range of engineering Milwaukies in a workshop building racing cars, and a range of Ryobis in commercial gardening on days in between.

        Milwaukies are probably better, although we’ve burned out drills and grinders, but Ryobis are treated as throw-away items by my other boss. We’ve burned out a hedge trimmer but the rest are surviving OK.

        Both over 4years or so.

        I finally bought my first 18V tool recently- a Ryobi drill.

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        James Murphy

        Ryobi and Milwaukee Tools are both owned by the same parent company, as it happens!

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      Yarpos

      They are Handyman tools, quite durable ones in our experience.

      We have garden, workshop and home items gathered over a decade or so.

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      James Murphy

      I think once you get more than one tool sharing a common battery pack, then it’s a bit like Apple vs Android, you get somewhat committed to the “ecosystem” just because it’s a real effort to change to something else.
      Pretty sure that’s why they like selling the tools in packs, so you’re committed from the get-go.

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    James Murphy

    It seems there is some evidence for a few more glaciation events in the Cretaceous (145.5 to 65.5 Mya)
    https://mailchi.mp/sa.gov.au/bulletin-57
    There are 2 volumes, each about 400-500 pages long, so, no, I have not read it all…

    volume 1 contains the analysis and results, volume 2 contains the methodologies applied to samples, data, etc.

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    another ian

    Sinking in!

    “Dept of Defense Suddenly Realizes Wind Power Is Bad”

    https://victorygirlsblog.com/dept-of-defense-suddenly-realizes-wind-power-is-bad/

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      KP

      The wind from the turbines messes up the hair on their cross-dressing trannie Generals..

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      James Murphy

      Wind powered submarines…?
      lets go back to canvas and wood airframes for planes too, while we’re at it!

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        another ian

        A crew in NZ is getting ready – they have the moulds to make new Mosquito fuselages and IIRC were working on those for De Haviland Hornets

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    KP

    “A new study from Sweden showed that a previously healthy woman developed symptoms of “microwave syndrome” shortly after a 5G cell tower was installed 60 meters from her apartment. The woman temporarily relocated to another home with low radiation levels and no 5G exposure, at which point almost all of her symptoms disappeared. When she moved back to her apartment, the symptoms returned…. the symptoms seen in the three case reports first appeared when a 3G or 4G tower was replaced by a 5G tower”

    Hardell and co-author Mona Nilsson measured “extremely high” microwave radiation levels — much higher than levels recommended by scientists — outside and inside the woman’s apartment.

    https://www.activistpost.com/2023/04/new-case-study-of-healthy-woman-developing-microwave-syndrome-after-5g-tower-installed-u-s-invests-1-5b-more-for-5g-rollout.html

    Interesting graph of radiation levels over time, up and down as the tower carries calls I suppose.

    So if the Govt experts measure your radiation level, do they average it out over a minute? When its peaking off the scale on the meter, is it the maximum energy absorbed that’s important? I expect there is a lot not taken into account with microwave radiation for phones etc. I know the labs only measured in front of the transmitter, then other people found the edge emissions were more concentrated.

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      Hanrahan

      It’s the frequency that matters more than the power. I worked on a high power 10cm radar. We measured magnetron current not power so I’m relying on an old memory but I think it was about 3MW peak power. We had precautions we had to observe but we were pretty slack. High power but [relatively] low frequency was no biggie.

      5G is up to 300GHz with a 1mm wave length. As the wavelength rises the effect rises exponentially so the comparatively low power does not mitigate the risks.

      For reference my old Motorola brick operated at nearly 1 tenth that frequency. I poo pooed the health risks from that. Not so blasé about 5G.

      SpaceX is about to launch. Bye.

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        Graeme#4

        As one who had to approve the manufacture of a few thousand RF-emitting devices for everyday use, and who had to make sure that they complied with emission standards, I can assure you that it’s a bit more complicated than that. If anybody is truly concerned, then all they have to do is to purchase their own field strength meter, a copy of the international standards, and make their own measurements. Like climate change, we need to move away from beliefs and focus on actual data and correct scientific measurements. Some understanding of the calculations of the surface area of a sphere and how this changes with distance might also help.

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    Hanrahan

    This isn’t the Canberra bomber I once worked on. It is watching the SpaceX launch.

    https://www.flightradar24.com/N926NA/2ff823ad

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      Sambar

      Hey H, the good old Canberra bombers. I was in Darwin about ’68 or ’69 when a military exercise was conducted with Australias brand new Mirage fighters.
      The Canberras were the “enemy” with the Mirages “defending”. The Canberras lumbering in at about 400knots while the supersonic Mirages whipped around well over the speed of sound. From memory ( and this is shakey,so correct me if I’m wrong) all the Canberras made it through to their targets although they were all eliminated before returning to a safe area. The Canberras could be heard for a long time before being sighted, while the Mirages could only be detected by the sunlight reflecting off their delta wings while they were in a state of perpetual hard banking trying to get back onto the slow moving Canberras. The noise came a long time after the Mirages had slipped sideways over the horizon. An interesting clash of technologies.

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        Graeme#4

        I walk past one nearly every day. It sure looks crowded in there for the crew – must have been very claustrophobic.

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        another ian

        More on Mirage flight characteristics –

        At one stage we lost one when the fire went out in flight.

        A descriptive I heard was “Under those conditions they have the glide angle of a brick dunny with the door open”.

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    Memoryvault

    Well, the Starship launch went off with a bang.
    Or, as the Spacex techies apparently say, it culminated in a Rud.

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    David Maddison

    Starship had a successful launch of the integrated platform but failed to do booster stage separation and consequently failed to reach orbit. The test was regarded as a success, however.

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      Honk R Smith

      Starship?
      Has there been a demonstration of the ability to sustain human life outside of the Magnetosphere?
      We currently only operate in ‘space’ that is still under earth influence.
      ‘Outer’ space is the interplanetary part of space NOT still affected by Earth.
      Inter System Space between stars?

      We live in an atmosphere of relentless hype.
      I’m sure AI will solve the problem.
      Right after Global Warming ends snow.
      My Y2K is achy today.
      I did diffuse my Population Bomb.
      But I think I can hold out ’till The Singularity.

      From non existent powered human flight to jet aircraft in less the 50 years.
      50 years soon, since Apollo, and little progress.

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    David Maddison

    Important video about the ominous Central Bank Digital Currencies we will likely soon get.

    Goodbye what few freedoms we have left.

    https://youtu.be/Yt3jFUDDRAQ

    Quote from video:

    CBDCs can be programmed to be activated on a certain date, programmed to expire on a certain date, programmed to be only valid for certain purchases, and ominously, programmed to be only available to citizens who meet certain preconditions.

    If you cant watch all of it, at least watch the first 5 mins.

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      David Maddison

      Most Australian “leaders” are fanatical followers of globalism, the WEF and also supporters of the Chinese Social Credit System which are all related to the CBDC system.

      Most of the Australian people don’t have a clue about any of this (or anything else).

      Any idea how to protect one’s wealth under such a system?

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        RobB

        You need a commodity based currency. e.g. go back to a gold standard. This I believe is what BRICS+ countries are working on to replace the dollar. Because in the present system the USA prints money and buys physical (real) goods for IOU’s. Of course the commodity and industrial product exporters want “real” money for their produce, not some digital money that can be “printed” or extinguished at the flick of a switch.

        So to save your wealth, you might have to move to a BRICS+ country. e.g. Russia, if China isn’t your cup of tea…
        Brazil might be alright, at least its nice and warm!

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    Reader

    Biden Will Hand Over Another $1 Billion To UN ‘Green Climate Fund’
    https://dailycaller.com/2023/04/20/biden-gives-1-billion-green-fund/

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    James Murphy

    Regarding electricity generation in Germany since they now are in that nuclear-free utopia…

    There was a social media post with the following claim – Supposedly, for the day after they officially stopped using all their reactors:

    1- exported 1,437 MWh to France between 9am and 2pm (for 5 hours)
    2- imported 12,764 MWh from France in all other 19 hours.

    they linked to the site below, but right now, the data part is “down for maintenance”, so I cant verify anything, or even see if the data still exists. I also don’t know what the trends were like before.
    https://transparency.entsoe.eu

    I’d never heard of ENTSOE, but their “about us” page says this:

    ENTSO-E, the European Network of Transmission System Operators for Electricity, is the association for the cooperation of the European transmission system operators (TSOs). The 39 member TSOs representing 35 countries are responsible for the secure and coordinated operation of Europe’s electricity system, the largest interconnected electrical grid in the world. In addition to its core, historical role in technical cooperation, ENTSO-E is also the common voice of TSOs.

    ENTSO-E brings together the unique expertise of TSOs for the benefit of European citizens by keeping the lights on, enabling the energy transition, and promoting the completion and optimal functioning of the internal electricity market, including via the fulfilment of the mandates given to ENTSO-E based on EU legislation.

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      Gerry

      If I was in charge of Hungary or Italy I’d make sure the coal fired and nuclear generators are up to speed ….. this ENSOE thing looks a lot like a weapon ….

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    another ian

    Twitter and Fauci next round

    “Let That Sink In”

    “The Fauci Files are finally out.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/04/20/let-that-sink-in-41/

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    KP

    Court warfare to stop the military pilot being extradited to join Assange in the USA continues-

    “Duggan, 54, an Australian citizen, has been in custody since October accused of training Chinese military pilots in South Africa in 2012 without seeking permission from the US Department of Justice – an allegation he denies.

    Duggan’s lawyer Dennis Miralis said …his client was “lured” back to Australia by being given an ASIO clearance, only to be “almost immediately arrested” when he arrived.

    Mrs Duggan said the allegations hinged on “the disputed claim about training ‘military’ pilots without permission”, but “permission wasn’t needed because the trainees were civilians”.”
    https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/spy-watchdog-launches-inquiry-into-former-top-gun-pilot-s-arrest-20230325-p5cv67.html

    I hope someone is looking after the farm while he’s held in max security. So much for being an Australian citizen.

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    KP

    The problem with owning gold..

    “A major heist at Pearson Airport in Toronto has left a major bank out $22 million and a leading airline wondering what went wrong. The theft, first reported by the Toronto Sun, happened on Monday in the early evening hours and saw $22 million worth of gold and banknotes stolen. A confidential memo shared with the Sun stated that the bank in question was TD while the airline was Air Canada.

    In 1952, ten boxes of gold were bound for Montreal but only four boxes showed up. That heist was valued at between $215,000 to $330,000 at the time or more than $3 million today.

    https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https%3A%2F%2Ftorontosun.com%2Fopinion%2Fcolumnists%2Fmajor-gold-heist-at-pearson-movie-plot-turns-reality-in-gta

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    Reader

    Climate goons deflate tires on 43 ‘gas guzzler’ SUVs in Boston, leave snarky notes
    https://nypost.com/2023/04/21/climate-activists-deflate-tires-on-suvs-in-boston/

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    el+gordo

    A cool wet start to Spring in Germany, temperature below average.

    https://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/Kachel-2023_04.png

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    KP

    How long before its here? I’ll bet its not Canberra to be first!

    “New York City will track the carbon footprint of residents’ food consumption as part of a sweeping initiative to decrease the city’s carbon emissions from food by a third this year, Mayor Eric Adams revealed on Monday at an event for the Mayor’s Office of Climate and Environmental Justice. “It is easy to talk about emissions that are coming from vehicles and how it impacts our carbon footprint,” he said. “But now we have to talk about beef.” City officials urged New Yorkers to put down the burgers and pick up vegetables and beans.”
    https://www.rt.com/news/575026-adams-nyc-monitor-food-consumption/

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    el+gordo

    The people believe global warming is happening here and now.

    ‘ … they analysed data from 27 public opinion polls from around the world – including China, the US, UK, Australia and the EU – finding that most people perceive climate change as happening now and nearby. And this was not just in recent polls. Data from as far back as 1997 indicated almost half of US respondents believed climate change was already occurring.’ (The Conversation)

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      KP

      oi! No they don’t, they believe climate change is happening, not global warming.. I am unsurprised, half of US respondents have an IQ below the mean.

      This is an article pointing out Watson was quite correct in saying intelligence is genetic, even if it got him pilloried, cancelled, fired, un-awarded and caste into the pits of hell. Some people have died for their scientific beliefs, but these days you mustn’t even mention them if you might hurt someone’s feelings.

      “We therefore shouldn’t pursue truth, because it might “justify racist ideas” or encourage “negative feelings.” But are these good reasons to impede scientific inquiry? Julia Belluz of Vox seems to think so. In an article entitled “DNA scientist James Watson has a remarkably long history of sexist, racist public comments- Watson isn’t being persecuted for unpopular scientific views; his views just aren’t scientific at all. They’re hurtful and dangerous — and are fuel for bigots and white supremacists to draw on to justify their views. ”

      Sadly for her, later advances in brain scanning have found you can predict IQ from someone’s brain shape, and it does depend on race.

      https://www.unz.com/article/the-vindication-of-james-watson/

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