It is in effect: If there is a train and it’s less than a 2.5 hour trip, in France you can’t fly — unless of course, you own your own private jet, the most “polluting” kind of plane (according to the EcoWorriers). How does that make “carbon sense”? Are we saving the planet, or just stopping the riff-raff from traveling?
It’s one rule for you, another for the Feudal overlords.
Private planes make 5 to 14 times as much CO2, but they are “good to go”?
… numerous studies demonstrate that private jets are much more impactful to the environment than other modes of transportations.
They are about “5 to 14 times more polluting than commercial planes (per passenger),” a report published by the Transport and Environment group in 2021 states.
According to a recent study, “only 1% of the population causes 50% of global aviation emissions.”
Right now there are only three routes in France that will be banned, Paris-Orly to Bordeaux, Nantes and Lyon affecting only 2.5% of all domestic flights. The original plan was to ban five more routes, but the timetables weren’t so friendly for early morning or late in the day flights.
No one says this better than Marc Morano:
Climate Lockdowns Begin: France bans short-haul flights ‘to cut carbon emissions’
Marc Morano –– Climate Depot:
“You were warned! This is what a climate lockdown looks like. This is what the Great Reset looks like. The climate agenda demands you give up airline travel, car travel, cheap reliable energy, and plentiful food. Net Zero goals are now dictating vehicle shortages to force more people into mass transit.
They’re going after your freedom of movement; they’re going after private car ownership, they’re going after everything it means to be a free person and turning it over to the administrative state.”
The Citizens illusion of Debate and Democracy
The BBC and others are mentioning that banning flights was first suggested at France’s Citizens Convention on Climate, as if Macron is just doing what the people wanted — but never forget that the people have been free all along to not-fly and take the train but they didn’t want to. The people of France were voting with their money and time, but now they can’t.
To create the illusion, Macron tasked a group of people to assume the world was going to end because of CO2 and come up with ideas. With enough monkeys on typewriters, how could they miss? Afterwards Macron can just pluck out the suggestions he was going to do anyway, and say “Voila — this is what the citizens suggested”.
France’s Citizens’ Convention on Climate, which was created by President Emmanuel Macron in 2019 and included 150 members of the public, had proposed scrapping plane journeys where train journeys of under four hours existed.
But this was reduced to two-and-a-half hours after objections from some regions, as well as the airline Air France-KLM.
There was no Citizens Convention on whether we can stop the storms with solar panels. No Convention on Holding Back the Sea. No one asks the citizens if it’s worth spending a trillion Euro to cool the world by one hundredth of a degree. It’s not democracy, and it’s not debate. The Bureaucrats only ask the citizens questions that make Big Government bigger.
As I said It’s the Reality TV version of “Democracy” where 150 people pretend they speak for a nation while 65 million people get sidelined. Expect to see them take off everywhere. They are the perfect tool for Big-Government.
Won’t change the weather, will kill people
Now that short flights are banned, how many people won’t take the train and will get in their cars instead?
France’s Ban on Short-Haul Flights Will Kill People
You’re 2,200 times more likely to die when traveling by car as opposed to by airplane.
A recent study out of Harvard University found that, for people traveling within the United States, Europe, and Australia, the chances of being killed while flying are 1 in 11 million, while the chances of being killed while driving are 1 in 5,000. Put differently, you’re 2,200 times more likely to be killed when traveling by car as opposed to by airplane. By diverting some travelers from the air to the roadways, the French government will almost certainly cause more travelers to die.
Political theater, it turns out, can be deadly.
Don’t mention the private jets
The BBC doesn’t want anyone to notice that the Billionaires and corporate heads can keep churning out the CO2 of ten men…
Putting private jets on the graph would blow the scale and shrink the rest to tiny lines.
Worse, it would expose that this law is not about reducing CO2 at all.
Image by dakotaviking from Pixabay
I have a rule when dealing with these people. Never ask “how much more ridiculous will they get?”.
They see it as a challenge.
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I’m finding all this hard to worry about. Just back from France last week. A 2.5 hour train ride is not very far, so a plane replacing it is EXTREMELY RARE. One I know of is Paris-Bordeaux, which takes just over 2 hrs and can be as little as 10 ($A16) euros on the TGV. Why would you fart-arse about on a plane?
My Example: I could’ve gone Nantes to Nice by train in about 8 hrs. Instead I went on EasyJet in 75 minutes for 70 euros($A105) return. In practice this alleged “climate lockdown” will have practically no effect.
Also, everywhere you go (by car of course) there are massive new roads and road bridges being built. Here in Oz the same. So why are they spending multiple billions on infrastructure the nutters claim will be “banned”?
BTW: Next, let’s discuss that other shibboleth Central Bank Digital Currencies, eh?
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So if flying those routes is so unappealing why do people pay more to fly them?
The point is the freedom to choose. The point is that CO2 is not pollution and pagan witchcraft by-computer-simulation is being used to decide for you.
And the point is that CO2 is a facade anyway or they would ban the private jets. Why let them get away with their naked hypocrisy?
Once this is “accepted” as normal, more routes will be added, more countries will join in. At what point do we protest that hypocritical tyrants are controlling us? Do we wait for the four hour routes, or the six hour ones? Or do we just say “No” now, and explain that in a free society they are free to persuade us of their point of view, and to cancel their own damn flights first.
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Well said. They always use “facades” to hide their real goals.
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I fully agree, resist the beginnings. It will end with more guide rails and fences than streets.
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Presumably short trips on aircraft are OK for politicians?
And what about urgent deliveries such as human organs for transplant? I doubt whether a private jet charter would be affordable for such deliveries, unless you were an Elite and the recipient of such an organ.
Another point is that it encourages people to stay close to home. This is priming the masses for what’s coming next, “15 minute cities”.
You’ll soon see that the permitted distance to travel will be progressively reduced and the means will also be restricted. E.g. they first ban flying. Then it will be cars. Then it will be trains. Then everything. (Except for Elites.)
Australian politicians have a nasty habit of taking bad ideas from others, adapting them to make them far worse and then implementing them here. I fully expect to see this in Australia soon. Of course, the distances Australians need to travel are vastly more than in Europe so travel restrictions will be far more devastating here than in Europe.
And when we get The Voice (proposed new Apartheid Australian Parliament), we’ll be told that walking was good enough for Aborigines, it should be good enough for you too.
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At what stage will people say enough is enough and send these politicians to residential care?
They are using the boiling frog approach by going after the easy fruit first. Not all that many people fly compared to the people who drive or take the train so they lose only a few votes this time. It is when they attack car ownership in a big way that should stir even the most apathetic.
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Until we have a rational alternative to alarmist renewable zealous politicians, we can expect more of the same. Dutton’s government shows promise but he needs to commit to coal, nuclear, gas and oil – all of which we have a glut of and should be self sufficient.
Regarding the CO2 increase since the start of the industrial age, I saw – but can’t find – a graph charting the rise in CO2 that correlates very closely with the mass clearing of forests across the world with the CO2 lagging close behind. If accurate it would be interesting to see the effects on CO2 with the clearing of swathes of land for solar and wind farms.
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The Coalition Party Luddites will never agree or allow Dutton to do what he knows MUST be done.
The “ Uniparties are bought & paid for by the UN & WEF.
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The lazy Libs definitely won’t rock the Uniparty Boat that supports their easy going lifestyle their gold plated salaries and lifelong pensions and leave the hard stuff like actually governing Australia in the best interests of ALL Australians to us.
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Canberra – Sydney flights banned? Replaced with chauffeured Commonwealth Teslas for pollies? Or Canberra – Sydney via Brisbane, Perth or Darwin? Decisions… decisions!
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That is something that cannot happen until there is a dispatchable power station at Goulburn. Getting in a Tesla in the north shore in Sydney on a cold morning with the hope of making it to Canberra without recharging would be hopeful at best or just stupid.
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Sydney – Canberra by train is well over 4 hours so it wouldn’t fit the 2.5 hour or even the 4 hour travel time rule.
And the chances of them ever building a VFT from Sydney to Canberra is remote to say the least !
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Video re train from Sydney to Canberra.
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Sydney+-+canberra+by+train+how+long+does+it+take&docid=603506423390353054&mid=16270C809B27399773A416270C809B27399773A4&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Very ordinary compared to other western countries
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The Canberra train is hopeless. Buses Canberra to Sydney CBD are well patronised.
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As mentioned previously, net zero excludes private jets and the military. I’d assume this French BS does the same. It’s hypocrisy and nonsense and only aimed at restricting the little people nothing to do with the planet or CO2.
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Are you sure about that? Have you consulted Bruce Pascoe? I’ve got a feeling there’s a new book coming out…
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They had the wheel and best farming practices here long before Europeans arrived and destroyed everything. Sarc off…
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And they ‘invented’ the jet wing, they just didn’t have a jet to mount it on.
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Even some doubt about that with evidence of similar devices being used in ancient Europe, Egypt and Nth America. It may well have been brought here by one of the colonising groups that arrived . A quick google reveals that the boomerang was unknown to aboriginal people in Tasmania, the Northern Territory, half of South Australia and nothern parts of Queensland and Western Australia.
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Perhaps it’s time for some of The Prisoner.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtL9cFufaLY
For those who don’t know this excellent show, Patrick McGoohan plays a secret agent who resigns. After resigning, he becomes trapped in a bizarre prison known only as The Village. You are “free” or so the authorities say. You live blissfully unaware you aren’t free as long as you don’t want to use your “freedom”. The authorities make provision for your every need except freedom.
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The Prisoner is now a cult series – my brother worked on it as music editor so I was steeped in it growing up. so much of it is still relevant today 50 years later and is the original cancel culture – ie – you know too much so we will lock you away. How long before we all go to re-education camps to mend our ways? By the way – has anyone told the Chinese to stop doing short flights?
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Some of us can see where this leading, new, harsh lockdowns on the pretext of saving the planet. Covid was a test run and sadly highly successful from the elites point of view. They now have the modus operandi, next will be to extend their power and control. Very smooth plan to get to a one world government of unelected megalomaniacs. All we have to do now is wait for King Charles’ “man of wealth and power”to be revealed!
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It’s well known that private jets emit highly beneficial celebrity co2 and the bigger the celebrity then the more of this benign gas is emitted. 97% of scientists agree that co2 created by the air travel of the biggest celebrities actually cool the planet so Harry and Megan and di caprio know the more they get on a private plane the better.
Unfortunately plebs co2 from commercial airlines is very harmful and plebs must therefore be stopped from flying. But I suspect you all knew that.
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There are really not many global celebrities and their impact on CO2 is nothing compared to those anonymous travelling billions who need their celebrities so they can envy someone. At least that’s the official view. And they value their privacy, especially Harry and Megan.
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Is it the case of the elites saying that their excrement does not have an odour?
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As thye saying of old had it – “They eat San Sens (? spelling) and – – -“
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Covid took most jets out of the sky. Co2 kept growing at same rate as pre covid. Govt haven’t learnt much
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Scientists have proven that this was due to extra CO2 generated by the unvaccinated.
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During the covid lockups in Vicdanistan, people were restricted to a travel distance of 10km for permitted activities such as buying food (it started out as 5km).
At an effective suburban car travel speed of perhaps 40kph, taking into account traffic lights etc., what a strange coincidence that 10km corresponds to a travel time of 15mins. We were being primed for “15 min cities”, although we were still allowed to use cars during the lockups. They will be banned too.
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If you use a TGV, 320 km/h, no check-in and -out at the airport, you are as fast as per flight.
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People should not be forced to use it if they don’t want to. Freedom of choice.
And is a TGV available as a direct replacement on all the banned flight routes?
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TGV Map of France
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What a pathetically limited TGV network. There are 467 airports in France, so they can support over 160,000 direct non-stop routes without adding any infrastructure.
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You think that’s limited…
You should see Australia’s Very Fast Train network. 😉
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And all these airports you believe are on the flightlist of, let’s take Paris ? Or Lyon ?
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Compared with Australia or America, Europe is tiny. These days airports are so far out of town you wonder why you fly, especially in Europe. The real advantage of trains though is that they start in the city and end in a city. And Europe is small enough that this works really well so that when you add up the time travelling, it is faster. But high speed trains do not make economic sense in Australia. Victorian governments have been building a high speed train to Geelong for all my life and it is still slower than in 1950 and slower than a car on the single road limited to 100km/hr.
As for carbon dioxide, it is irrelevant to anything but trees and grasses. Unless you believe Al Gore and Tim Flannery. I still cannot believe Al Gore made it all up, with the help of James Hansen. The breakthrough was the World Meteorological Society at the UN who thought it was a great idea. Now we have 340,000 giant windmills and insane regulations. A bizzaro world when innumerate college footballer Al Gore was possibly the most influential science pundit of the 20th century.
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“I still cannot believe Al Gore made it all up …” Behind it all was Maurice Strong, bigwig in the UN for many years. Evil genius personified; no fictional bad character comes anywhere near him. He was the author of Agenda 21, which caught many of us out until we actually read it carefully and realised it was a recipe for hell. Strong knew the original “global warming” hype would not run for long so carefully steered the useful idiots round to using the term “climate change”.
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The United States created the UN, the child of Franklin D. Roosevelt. And they have poured money into it for 80 years and have created a metastasising monster, hungry for even more money and power.
Maurice Strong and Al Gore must have realised in 1988 that they could both profit from the scam. It was a congruence of interests. And who would know? Besides the World Meterological Society in an International peace body since 1951 really needed an international weather scare for relevance and funding and was floating the idea. And so the International Panel on Climate Change was born with a mission in December 1988.
The IPCC mission? Create the crisis. Make it credible and urgent. And here we are 35 years later with over a trillion dollars a year for a ridiculous made up story. What Climate Change? What Global Warming?
Meanwhile a reborn communist China is taking over every committee, which is what communists know how to do, perverting democracy. Windmills, Wuhan flu, the biggest military build up in history, openly threatening to invade Taiwan and the UN says nothing and Tedros Adhomen is now threatening the world with more viruses.
And Al Gore came within a few chads of being the US President. Professor Tim Flannery’s only regret is that he is not as rich as he is famous. Meanwhile the world hates carbon, which is non sensical.
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I find it amusing that the Left, the fact denying post Modernists for whom ‘lived experience’ is paramount ignore the lived experience of a lifetime of global warming/aka climate change/aka drowning cities. There is none. And they have people terrified of an imminent catastrophe, the hall mark of many scams in history. Give us all your votes and money and we will save you. The script is in Chicken Little aka Henny Penny.
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London Paris is 2 hours 16 minutes on Eurostar, city centre to city centre. The flying time is 1 hour 20 minutes. The difference might get you through security at the airport.
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It does take a while to get through security at St Pancras or Paris Nord before boarding the train.
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Yes, that changes so much. I used to commute Melbourne/Brisbane, often every day. At that time I have left home at 6.30am in the city and the plane left at 7.00am from Tullarmarine, 25 minutes in the taxi. I ran. The extraordinary delays at airports today and train stations are almost all security. And overbooking, an American idea to maximize revenues which meant your seat was not secure.
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Sounds like a fair choice for people to make for themselves.
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I foregot to mention, the airports not only in France are outside the cities, TGV stations in the center, so you have no further transfer time.
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That’s fine. And people are free to use them. But they should not be forced to. The fact that people still fly means they want to. It should be up to the individual to decide, not a politician, not a bureaucrat and not a climate activist. Freedom of choice!
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I wonder if the train services could cope if people were to actually switch ? Do they have enough rolling stock ?
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I have only used the Eurostar once and it was fabulous. Of course there was a delay in boarding due to customs and passports going from Paris to London. The problem with flying is as Krishna says; it is getting to and from the airport and security holdups. If we had fast trains here I am sure many people would use them.
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Trains do make more sense in Europe, its a much easier way to get around all CO2 BS aside. Mandating travel options hoever seems more like virtue signalling with one sided accounting yet again.
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Gee, the train companies in Vicdanistan will need to step up. A mate went from Melbourne to Sydney by train (first class) the other day. The Victorian leg was tough, he said. The train was noisy, the line was rocky, there was no one coming by with food or drinks, there was no USB port to charge his phone, no small pillow or blanket for resting, and the staff were rude and lazy.
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Yes exactly – I recently travelled on the Canadien – from Toronto to Jasper in the Rockies – 4 days and 3 nights – so absolutely no competition to flying – but great service and a fantastic experience – as was the Rocky Mountaineer from Banff to Vancouver – another 2 days! People who advocate trains over planes have no conception of how large Australia/Canada/USA really are.
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A year or so ago, I gave my state MP a recording of the horrendous noise that passengers in NSW trains have to endure. Still no change.
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Perhaps the French “elite” need a reminder of what happened last time the lower classes rebelled.!
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And they’ve imported a lot of folks that will be just as unforgiving as those from the 1700’s. It could get very uncomfortable…
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As far as I’m aware, China has no CO2-related travel restrictions, but they are the world’s biggest CO2 emitter and are free to continue emissions without limit, not that it matters from an environmental point of view (it is beneficial).
There may be travel restrictions for other reasons, such as it being a police state, but the environment is not a reason to restrict travel there.
Of course, our anti-energy lobby is silent about these matters.
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We have the fool Bowen and many like him who know nothing but are unaware that they do know nothing. Those that do know are sidelined and kept away from the microphone. Broad was an exception as was the courage of Ben Fordam to have him on his show.
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China is still considered a “Developing Country” by the United Nations and is therefore exempt from the ruinous climate agreements that have been imposed upon and are destroying the Western world. And the CCP fights tooth & nail to keep that designation as they are building hundreds of coal powered electrical generation plants to power their country into the future.
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We cover the same ground here day after day, but most Aussies don’t even begin to understand the very basic data.
And it’s the same throughout the world and how we get people to wake up seems to be an impossible mission.
The MSM forever yap about the importance of net zero and co2 pollution and all of their so called dangers of CC and most people don’t have the ability to understand their lies and half truths.
Even our few resident blog donkeys are either unbelievably stupid or just want to wreck our country and our future.
Dr Rosling tried his best to educate the world and many other scientists have warned against net zero + all the other etcs but 99% of the people still haven’t got a clue.
If the Biden loony is returned for another term I think it will set back the real Climate science for a decade or more.
But thanks again to Jo Nova for trying her best, but I’m afraid we can only hope for miracles to wake up the majority of voters within the OECD world.
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There is one problem with that ban – there are so many exceptions that in effect no flights are banned.
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More on their net zero idiocy from the Manhattan Contrarian.
They look at the USA dishwasher and their so called change over to EVs by 2032.
Just mind _boggling bureaucratic nonsense, yet they still BELIEVE.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/06/01/bureaucrats-completely-incapable-of-making-reasonable-trade-offs/
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Unfortunately, what works(?) in one country will not necessarily work in all other countries and many people do not realise how large/small countries are.
An informative source is http://www.thetruesize.com whereby you can move a country outline onto any part of a Mercator projection of the world to compare its actual size.
Australia covers Europe and more (place Exmouth on London and Tassie is on Iraq). With most of the Oz population on the coast, our travel requirements and difficulties will not be overcome with another country’s ‘it works here’ solution.
Also interesting for those that see Greenland as a huge land mass that is going to swamp us all when the ice melts, it is smaller then NSW and Qld combined. Mercator has a lot to answer for
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Excellent. A lot of fun. Especially at high latitudes like Siberia and Canada and Antarctica.
Now if they had a 180 degree rotation, it would also allow us to compare climates.
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What works everywhere is a free market. People will choose the best solution for their circumstances if they are allowed to.
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Lomborg also tells us that Aussies’ so called net zero policy would decrease bushfires from 6% in 2100 to just 5.99% or 0.01% difference over the next 77 years.
Just more crazy policies that do nothing but would cost us TRILLIONs $ for SFA difference.
See video at about 6 minutes 50 seconds.
https://www.skynews.com.au/australia-news/less-of-australia-burning-despite-activists-claims/video/f74ebc34bcf55f3486d24432d1c98191
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Been to France, must admit that travelling on those fast trains was pretty nice way to travel.
I find it much preferable to a cramped airplane.
And you get to see the scenery. 🙂
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Ditto the ICE in Germany, Freccia Rossa in Italy and the daddy of them all, the Shinkansen in Japan.
ALL run on specially laid tracks that are NEVER to be sullied by heavy freight trains and are often elevated or otherwise routed such that there are NO “level” crossings. There was that “incident” with an ICE train not long back, though…..
Consider also the population densities and “scale” of such systems. Example, Shinkansen services operate on FIFTEEN minute train spacing, at 200Km/H+ speeds. THAT is REAL engineering and systems operation.
ALL are ELECTRIC; thus you need absolute consistency of supply, as oppoesed to the neo-Luddite attitude in this festering penal colony.
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I would be very happy if Australian trains could just run as fast as a car. Trains in Britain ran at 100mph/160km/hr in the 1940s and 200km/hr in the 1970s. Who would fly?
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Brisbane to Charleville by Westlander 17 hrs, by car 7 hrs.
Not even close.
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Where we are in Nth Central Vic we are far from airports and trains and buses are like hens’ teeth. The only bus into town each day is a mile down the road; perfect for an older person lugging home the week’s shopping…not!
We had a couple of sayings in my family when I was a child:
‘Please Mr. Pilot, put me on your ‘plane.
I simply can’t get there in time if I have to go by train.’
‘If you have time to spare, then go by air.’
Somewhat contradictory sayings but valid in different circumstances.
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4, 3, 2, 1… oops I did it again!
Chou Bi Den trips and falls due to so much carbon pollution on the stage. Or maybe Put!n pushed him… or maybe Trump. It’s always somebody else’s fault.
Talking of hypocrisy, NZ Greens co-leader, James Shaw, consistently ranks #1 for clocking up most air miles travelled each parliamentary year. Must be all those conferences he has to attend to save the planet from the great unwashed.
Another filthy ex-banker.
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Helicopter?
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..duplicate
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Macron is worse than Merkel. There needs to be more Meloni’s all over Europe. If that doesn’t happen, then we know that democracy is done there too.
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Hmmm. I couldn’t find a breakdown of what “private jet” numbers and types happen over such distances. I’m going to take a stab that most of them are not for moving people around. Who wants their heart transplant delivered by train?
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Gee, do people in Canberra really have those?
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Me if its the same or better elapsed time and the terminal is in the city near the major hospitals and not subject to flight cancellations or fog. Just a horses for courses choice really.
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It was an example. Freight jets are private jets.
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What? Including Emirates, Singapore and QANTAS cargo?
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yes.
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DHL, QANTAS, Virgin, Toll…
Gee, just do a search… Its nearly all COMMERCIAL, part of larger COMMERCIAL companies.
https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=australian+freight+aircraft+companies&form=HDRSC4&first=1&cw=1573&ch=745
They just book freight instead of passengers.
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let us know when Leonardo di Caprio or John Kerry (United States special presidential envoy for climate) are delivering emergency heart transplants.
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Between Leon and Paris?
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flights for me, but not for thee
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I must say as an Australian, I am intrigued at Americans, whose culture is to fly everywhere, whereas we drive. I would never consider flying the 500km to a capital city, even a 1000km, I drive. But Americans are always on domestic flights, and they all do it, the lower classes fly as well. It’s why we see so many trash passenger videos on Youtube. I never knew what they meant by the derogatory term “cattle class”. I always thought flying was pretty civilised in any class. But not in America.
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So you are saying that the Australian trash people drive instead? Yourself excluded of course.
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Yep one law for us and freedom for them. Of course we will also ban your evil oil driven cars and give you at twice the price this impractical electric car that you can use in our “you beaut” 15 minute cities – but dont try the nullarbor – which of course will be renamed the nulldrive plain! My three diesel 4WD vehicles will see me out along with my diesel generator for when the lights go out. I am currently stockpiling my diesel emergency supplies in Gerrie Cans – great invention that!
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Went to Europe 5 years ago and one leg was Venice to Paris. Fly obviously? Wish I’d taken a train! Close to an hour getting to airport,3hrs to get through preflight in Venice to Rome, another 2 hrs in Rome, got to Paris in the evening, blew a whole day. Would have been a lot more fun watching the Italian and French countryside whizzing by at 300km/hr me thinks.
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Its actually the much talked about 300k speed for only part of the journey , there is a lot of normal train speed stuff on these routes.
In Italy I was happy if the train just kept moving 🙂
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Social Justice doesn’t need to make sense. In fact, the less sense it makes, the more socially just it is.
Yes, that’s a relevant comment, in the larger context of the big picture…
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jLNgLABuTw
I.e., you won’t find meaning in any single destructive act or policy. Only in aggregate does their suicidal behavior make “sense,” as perverted as that “sense” is.
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BTW OWI Data estimates that Aviation is now about 2.5% of global co2 emissions.
And about 80% of the world’s population don’t fly at all. So definitely for the wealthier groups most of the time.
How this applies to their NUTTY ZERO guesstimates is another argument.
https://ourworldindata.org/co2-emissions-from-aviation
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I have a French contact who says this is almost unenforceable. That its all window dressing type policy which the French government are very good at. What you might call “virtue signalling”. I would much prefer” laissez faire” type policies- very minimal government interference.
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A couple of considerations:
1. The high speed train systems need a station at the airports.
2. When flying due to the total distance involved the short connection on the train needs to be transparently integrated into the ticketing process.
3. In Australia, the technology and civil engineering for the building of elevated track sections is still at a relatively primitive stage. The countries implementing passenger rail systems (both local and medium distance) seem to use this methodology to reduce the conflicts with other surface transportation modes and geologically imposed considerations.
4. Australia needs some successful projects to set the goals for longer ones. Just build the Sydney – New Castle higher (not necessarily HIGH speed) speed line.
5. I wonder how the latest Perth METRONET elevated upgrades will be viewed in 10 years.
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connecting flights on those routes remain
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GA – see my item #2
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No train is needed. They fly.
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ozfred
What number are you on 2?
Did yuo use a different name?
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RJ, he means item 2 on post #28.
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“In Australia, the technology and civil engineering for the building of elevated track sections is still at a relatively primitive stage. The countries implementing passenger rail systems (both local and medium distance) seem to use this methodology to reduce the conflicts with other surface transportation modes and geologically imposed considerations.”
Brisbane Airtrain already has this and it’s hardly the leading edge of technology.
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But most other countries do it more quickly and (importantly) less expensively….
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“It’s one rule for you, another for the Feudal overlords.”
There you have it, the thin edge of the wedge.
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‘Utopia’, ch 2 Wednesday 8pm, gives you a look at how bumbling our govt is, an Aussie version of Yes Minister, it must have been written by someone with experience in govt affairs.
Worth a look.
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Just had a look on Flightradar24, 32 mins Sydney to Canberra by turboprop.
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I hear that the 3 flights that will be removed are not popular and will not be a problem for the airlines.
The French have put an excessive amount of money into the TGV network to take it to towns that didn’t need it. The knock on effect is that the remainder of the network has been deprived of investment and that even the original TGV route from Paris to the South of France is showing its age.
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The European Climate Foundation played a very large role in the French (and UK) Climate Assembly.
https://europeanclimate.org/a-tale-of-two-citizens-assemblies/
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https://www.steynonline.com/12856/a-sennight-of-steyn-september-25-october-1
Book: ‘The Deliberate Corruption of Climate Science’
Book: ‘Human Caused Global Warming, the Biggest Deception in History’
https://www.technocracy.news/dr-tim-ball-on-climate-lies-wrapped-in-deception-smothered-with-delusion/
https://www.technocracy.news/tim-ball-the-evidence-proves-that-co2-is-not-a-greenhouse-gas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOEFQDcT_lM
Tim passed away on Sept 24th 2022
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