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New funding sources identified in Vicdanistan!
There’s an even better strategy that Emperor Dan already has considerable experience in running. Simply put all tourists in lockdown until they have spent enough money to allow them to go back home! It’s a highly flexible scheme in which the required spend can be raised or lowered depending on His needs. All tourists immediately go into debt to Dan and will only be permitted to leave their hotel if they have returned a net positive spending test within the last 14 days. We’ll call it…uh… Hotel Tourism. What could go wrong?
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Huh, this nonsense is being bred inthe UK now too: how do you distinguish between tourists ( definition) and travelling workers from Home or abroad ?
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It’s all part of making travel more difficult and undesirable and making people get used to staying at home.
Remember, they won’t be introducing 15 minute cities overnight.
They will be doing it gradually with incremental measures such as this.
In the meantime, I recommend people find somewhere else to visit, preferably in a free country.
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“somewhere else to visit, preferably in a free country”. Cannot for the life of me think of one single country on this planet that isn’t infected by the insanity of its ‘leaders’.
Suggestions please.
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No doubt “affordable housing” is code for accommodation for illegal immigrants.
Sorry, I mean ‘refugees’.
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In the UK the official definition of ‘affordable housing’ is: 20% below the market value.
The problem is that the average salary is around 10% of the average house price, so people on average or less earnings cannot afford housing, whether ‘affordable’ or not.
And, in the UK, the normal rules that apply to Joe Public do not apply to refugees/immigrants – so, problems like health care, housing and benefits don’t apply to the illegals who contribute nothing and take everything …
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mmmm I guess Dan thinks he has made to VIC tourism brand so attractive he can afford to whack on a tax. Just my opinion, but the man is an absolute tool and continues to prove it on a weekly basis.
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Electric Vehicles for Everyone? The Impossible Dream
Executive Summary
A dozen U.S. states, from California to New York, have joined dozens of countries, from Ireland to Spain, with plans to ban the sale of new cars with an internal combustion engine (ICE), many prohibitions taking effect within a decade. Meanwhile, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), in a feat of regulatory legerdemain, has proposed tailpipe emissions rules that would effectively force automakers to shift to producing mainly electric vehicles (EVs) by 2032.
This is all to ensure that so-called zero-emission EVs play a central role in radically cutting carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions. To ensure compliance with ICE prohibitions and soften the economic impacts, policymakers are deploying lavish subsidies for manufacturers and consumers. Enthusiasts claim that EVs already have achieved economic and operational parity, if not superiority, with automobiles and trucks fueled by petroleum, so the bans and subsidies merely accelerate what they believe is an inevitable transition.
It is certainly true that EVs are practical and appealing for many drivers. Even without subsidies or mandates, millions more will be purchased by consumers, if mainly by wealthy ones. But the facts reveal a fatal flaw in the core motives for the prohibitions and mandates. As this report illustrates:
. No one knows how much, if at all, CO2 emissions will decline as EV use rises. Every claim for EVs reducing emissions is a rough estimate or an outright guess based on averages, approximations, or aspirations. The variables and uncertainties in emissions from energy-intensive mining and processing of minerals used to make EV batteries are a big wild card in the emissions calculus. Those emissions substantially offset reductions from avoiding gasoline and, as the demand for battery minerals explodes, the net reductions will shrink, may vanish, and could even lead to a net increase in emissions. Similar emissions uncertainties are associated with producing the power for EV charging stations.
. No one knows when or whether EVs will reach economic parity with the cars that most people drive. An EV’s higher price is dominated by the costs of the critical materials that are needed to build it and is thus dependent on guesses about the future of mining and minerals industries, which are mainly in foreign countries. The facts also show that, for the majority of drivers, there’s no visibility for when, if ever, EVs will reach parity in cost and fueling convenience, regardless of subsidies.
Ultimately, if implemented, bans on conventionally powered vehicles will lead to draconian impediments to affordable and convenient driving and a massive misallocation of capital in the world’s $4 trillion automotive industry.
– Introduction: Reactionary Revolutions
– The Current State and Future of Personal Mobility
– EV Emissions: Elsewhere, Unclear, and Maybe Unknowable
– There’s No Magic for Fixing the Battery’s Carbon Debt
– The Parity Trope: EVs Are Not Yet Equal with ICE Cars, and Won’t Be Anytime Soon
– Conclusion: There’s No Such Thing as a Carbon-Free Lunch
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The EV cars are getting better and designs for 3 and four years out are impressive collections of engineering.
That being said, there are many problems and the 2030+ dates for full adoption cannot be met. So they won’t be.
Insofar as EVs are meant to save the climate, or whatever, that’s a bunch of hooey. With some luck, I might be around to see how this shakes out. But, I’ll be too old to drive.
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Toyota is now claiming a battery breakthrough that will soon be on the market. A 750 to 900 mile solid state battery that can be recharged in 10 minutes. Based on current EV efficiency this would appear to require about a 200kWH battery. To recharge in 10 minutes would require a charge rate of 1200 kW or 1,200,000 watts. That’s 1000 amps at 1200 volts or some other combination of very high voltage and current. Seems like something that might be a bit dangerous to put in the hands of untrained consumers.
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You won’t be charging them in your home.
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Correct. The “charge-at-home” trend will become a footnote to this “green” segment of history.
Note 1: I don’t gas-up my current vehicle at home.
Note 2. Multi-story condos and apartments are poor places to charge vehicles overnight.
Note 3. The self-combustion of batteries has to be fixed. (and will be, I think)
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This sort of technology step is whats needed and the current technology set cannot support stated objectives.
Off course each step comes with its own challenges as pointed out.
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The unstated objective is to get rid of all gasoline vehicles, then of all vehicles, then of roads. The City of Berkeley, California is a recognized leader.
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This is not a “technology step” , its just a marketing department hype statement based on wishful thinking. !
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I haven’t yet studied it, but I can’t see why the cost of manufacturing an electric car should be greatly different from an ICE vehicle, aside from the battery.
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Ted1,
I suggest you read in https://manhattan.institute/article/electric-vehicles-for-everyone-the-impossible-dream the section below in full – extremely detailed
EV Emissions: Elsewhere, Unclear, and Maybe Unknowable
In contrast to cars with internal combustion engines, it’s impossible to measure an EV’s CO2 emissions.
While, self-evidently, there are no emissions while driving an EV, emissions occur elsewhere—before the first mile is ever driven and when the vehicle is parked to refuel.
The CO2 emissions directly associated with EVs begin with all the upstream industrial processes needed to acquire materials and fabricate the battery. The received wisdom that EVs will have a “huge impact” on reducing emissions is, whether the claimants know it or not, anchored in assumptions about the quantities and varieties of materials mined, processed, and refined to make the battery.
The scale of those upstream emissions emerges from the fact that a typical EV battery weighs about 1,000 pounds and replaces a fuel tank holding about 80 pounds of gasoline.[31] That half-ton battery is made from a wide range of minerals, including copper, nickel, aluminum, graphite, cobalt, manganese, and, of course, lithium. Critically, the combined quantity of these specialty and so-called energy minerals is 10-fold greater in building an EV, compared with an ICE car.[32]
As researchers at the U.S. Argonne National Labs have pointed out, the relevant emissions data on such materials “remain meager to nonexistent, forcing researchers to resort to engineering calculations or approximations.”[33] And, per IEA, data on the emissions intensity of specific minerals can “vary considerably across companies and regions.”[34]
That is a consequential understatement.
The fundamental fact to keep in mind:
every claim for EVs reducing emissions is a rough estimate or an outright guess based on averages, approximations, or aspirations. The estimates entail myriad known unknowns about what happens upstream to obtain and process materials to fabricate the giant battery. Those factors not only vary wildly but can be big enough, alone, to wipe out from one-half to all the emissions saved by not burning gasoline.
These features of EV emissions constitute a complete inversion of the locus and, critically, the transparency and certainty compared with combustion vehicles.
For a conventional car, you know the emissions if you know the fuel mileage. The quantity of gasoline burned is directly measurable and forecastable with precision. Those CO2 emissions are the same regardless of when or where a car is refueled, or when it is driven.[35] And while conventional cars also have “hidden” upstream emissions—the energy used to build the vehicle and create gasoline—these constitute only 10%–20% of these vehicles’ total life-cycle emissions.
The critical factor for estimating upstream EV emissions starts with knowing the energy used to access and fabricate battery materials, all of which are more energy-intensive (and more expensive) than the iron and steel that make up 85% of the weight of a conventional vehicle.[36] The energy used to produce a pound of copper, nickel, and aluminum, for example, is two to three times greater than steel.[37] Estimates of the aggregate energy cost to fabricate an EV battery vary threefold but, for context, on average, the energy equivalent of about 300 gallons of oil is used to fabricate a quantity of batteries capable of storing the energy contained in a single gallon of gasoline.[38]
That so much upstream energy is necessarily used is understandable if one knows that hundreds of thousands of pounds of rock and materials are mined, moved, and processed to create the intermediate and final refined minerals to fabricate a single thousand-pound battery (see sidebar, “Sources of ‘Hidden’ Energy to Mine and Process 500,000 Pounds per EV Battery”).
Accurately estimating the actual quantities of specific fuels used is complicated by the labyrinth of global suppliers and the lack of transparency with many of the companies. (There is far greater transparency and accuracy in tracking embodied energy for iron and steel, since at least three-fourths of production is domestic.)[39] Without knowing all that, no one knows the ultimate real-world emissions from making an EV.
Upstream Emissions: Known Unknowns
A technical review of 50 different analyses reveals that the bottom lines for embodied EV emissions vary by a factor of five.[52] It’s meaningless to use an average number for such a wide range. Actual EV life-cycle emissions are dominated by the assumptions made for three key variables:
. The size of the battery pack
. The location of the mines
. The location of the refineries
EV proponents imagine adding clarity to the materials sourcing issues by creating rules and regulations and offering sensors and software that could, in theory, document the relevant data. Such prospects are, at best, remote, given the political, economic, and privacy challenges of such a global pursuit. Transparency in energy minerals—never mind an imposition of “clean” practices—is a far more daunting task than, say, ensuring that imported diamonds are “conflict-free.”
Keep in mind that all these uncertainties are baked in before making guesses about variables in where and when an EV is fueled. Nonetheless, including the range of known supply-chain possibilities yields possible scenarios wherein an EV driven on grids that will exist for the next decade leads to greater lifetime emissions than using an ICE car (Figure 6).
Then there are other variables that, though each individually is a relatively small share of the total picture, are nonetheless collectively important in the calculus of EV emissions. These include:
. Location of the battery and EV assembly factory
. Battery chemistry
. Materials for the rest of the vehicle
Many analyses assume that the body and frame of the EV have the same embodied energy as a conventional car.[61] But the EV’s electric motor and high-power wiring necessarily use several hundred percent more copper than vehicles with iron-and-steel engines and drivetrains. In addition, automakers use more aluminum for the EV frame and body to offset the battery’s weight penalty. Embodied emissions from 300 to 500 extra pounds of aluminum are roughly equal to the emissions from driving 10,000 miles in a conventional car.[62]
. Emissions from EV power electronics
An EV uses about 200% more electronics for power management. Silicon device fabrication is extremely energy-intensive (about 100x more, pound-for-pound, than steel), but, as one analysis put it, energy-use “data for electronics production still needs to become better.”[63] The data available suggest that the uncounted CO2 emissions embodied in each EV’s power electronics roughly equal those from driving an ICE car 3,000 miles.[64]
. Battery life span
. Total miles
. ICE fuel efficiency
When EV emissions are presented as a percentage reduction over an ICE car, one assumes a fuel mileage for the latter. But realistic forecasts would incorporate future trends in combustion engine efficiency.
An analysis of engine technology progress finds 30%–50% fuel efficiency gains will be on offer by 2030 and thus an equal reduction in CO2 emissions per mile. Using the performance of a future ICE for comparison with a future EV further closes any gap in estimated emissions savings
Returning to the upstream materials, the dominant variable affecting EV emissions: everything about the future of EV emissions is anchored in mining, humanity’s oldest industry. Thus, by definition, estimating future EV emissions requires guesses about the future of global mining, where we find yet another array of known unknowns.
Future EV Upstream Emissions Are All About Mining, Not Recycling
Because of the astonishing magnitude of minerals needed to build an all-EV future, estimating emissions will be completely dominated by assumptions about the locations and nature of new mines and refineries. For context: the materials needed to build EVs for the world’s 70 million cars sold per year equals about 500 years of the materials now used to fabricate the 1 billion smartphone batteries now produced annually.
Hundreds of megatons of earth will need to be dug up and processed in the service of EV goals.[67] To meet “transition goals,” the materials demanded will require supplies to rise 400%–4,000%, depending on the mineral. IEA says that will require hundreds of new mines. Benchmark Mineral Intelligence puts the number at 384 new mines just to meet EV needs for the “graphite, lithium, nickel, and cobalt [that] will be required to meet EV demand by 2035.”[68] (Similar expansion will be needed for similar minerals to build solar panels and wind turbines.) EV proponents commonly invoke recycling as the solution to these monumental materials and emissions impacts, especially the holy grail of a “circular economy,” i.e., 100% recycling.
Recycling will be irrelevant for a long time, as far as mitigating upstream minerals demands. Since manufacturers claim that EV batteries will last a decade, that means that there won’t be much of anything available to begin recycling until the early 2030s.[69] The best that IEA could come up with is recycled minerals meeting 1%–2% of battery demand by 2030.[70] As for the following decades, enthusiasts’ unrealistic dream of perfect recycling, even were it feasible, would still leave the need for an astronomical rise in overall minerals supplied.[71]
The central and largely ignored issue for upstream emissions accounting is not just the known fact that minerals demand will rise but the other known fact that for future mines and refineries, emissions are increasing per pound of mineral.[72]
. Meanwhile, Upstream EV Emissions Are Rising
. There’s No Magic for Fixing the Battery’s Carbon Debt
. Kilowatt-Hours and Elsewhere Emissions: More Known Unknowns
Emissions from refueling an EV vary wildly, depending on the where and when, thanks to differences among grids, combined with hourly variations in electricity production. Accounting for those realities, and not a hypothetical average kWh, reveals that CO2 emissions per EV fill-up can range from zero to as high as the same as just burning gasoline to drive the same number of miles.
Current estimates of EV on-road emissions are nearly universally anchored in a simple calculation based on the average emissions from a kWh produced on a local grid, multiplied by a vehicle’s rated kWh mileage. As with upstream emissions numbers, refueling numbers also give an illusion of precision.
Because of grid variabilities, the actual (not average) emissions from producing a kWh varies dramatically, depending on the hour a battery is charged, a feature that will be complicated as more wind and solar are used. No such variability comes from ICE cars; calculating CO2 emissions based on gallons consumed is essentially the same whenever gasoline is purchased, produced, or burned.
Similar uncertainties and disparities are associated with the mileage numbers used to calculate emissions. In the real world, an EV’s kWh/mile varies quite significantly from a vehicle’s claimed rating—again, unlike the minimal variability associated with ICE-car fuel mileage.
The uncertainties start with the EPA “sticker” mileage provided for consumers (and estimators). A recent study found the actual on-road EV mileage averaged 12.5% worse than the certified window-sticker rating. For ICE cars, however, the average, real-world mileage per gallon was 4% better than the EPA sticker.[90]
More significantly, EV mileage is about 30% worse when it’s 20oF outside, versus 80oF, because battery electrochemical reactions are unavoidably slow at lower temperatures.[91] There’s only a 5% drop in fuel efficiency for ICE cars over the same temperature range. On top of that, as road testers and consumers know, using an EV’s heater in winter can lower kWh mileage by as much as 50%.[92] (An ICE car scavenges free waste heat.) Such temperature factors are generally ignored, not only on EV “sticker” ratings but especially so in estimating national emissions impacts from EVs. Those factors matter, since one-third of the U.S. population lives in cold northern latitudes.[93] Odds are that EPA will eventually sort out accurate ways to rate EV mileage. But unlike conventional cars, the EV sticker might need to be accompanied by a map with a rating, say, for each state where it’s driven, based on the share of the year experiencing low temperatures.
The realities of local grids add another set of uncertainties, something that EPA recognizes on its website with an EV emissions calculator that divides the country into 27 electricity supply regions. There, one finds that the grid assumed leads to a threefold variation in CO2 emissions per kWh of fueling.[94]
Even that EPA calculator understates the magnitude of uncertainties because actual emissions-per-kWh used do not depend on the average for a region but on the specific hour of the day that a battery is charged. The hourly factor is critical with fast chargers that provide a fill-up in under an hour rather than overnight, a feature essential for on-road refueling, in order to allow widespread EV adoption. Hourly emissions per kWh produced can vary by another threefold or more.
Taken all together—time of year and day, and grid specifics—the real-world CO2 emissions per kWh actually used to charge an EV can vary about 10-fold. Emissions from a fill-up could be nearly zero during a sunny summer hour (ignoring the solar electricity’s upstream minerals emissions). Or during an hour when it’s cloudy in the winter, just the fill-up emissions, ignoring upstream factors, could be greater than that from burning gasoline to drive the same distance.[95]
The Parity Trope: EVs Are Not Yet Equal with ICE Cars, and Won’t Be Anytime Soon
The EV is widely touted as a transition comparable to the shift away from the horse-and-buggy age. But changing how a car is powered has the equivalent relevance to a mobility “revolution” as changing the nature and source of a horse’s feed.
And to encourage adoption of the newly invented gasoline-powered cars, governments didn’t have to ban horses.
To be sure, EVs offer features that appeal to millions of drivers, mainly wealthier ones and especially the cohort of car enthusiasts who gush over “insane” acceleration.[98] Equality in all features is neither relevant nor needed for EV sales to grow, as there are many different reasons consumers choose any one of hundreds of different kinds of car models. But the premise of the inevitability of an all-EV future is not just about luxury EVs offering “insane” features, or even about reducing emissions.
The premise is that EVs are superior in every way to the old technology and thus “electric cars are going to take over the world,” as the Wall Street Journal’s automotive columnist, Dan Neil, enthused, or as regulators and policymakers now plan to mandate.[99] The EV is framed not only as leaving the horse era, but also doing so at the same kind of technology acceleration witnessed in computing and communications. Thus, as Neil went on: “Remember flip phones, fax machines and dial-up modems? You want an electric vehicle because they are generationally improved products: quieter, quicker, more refined, more efficient, offering superior vehicle dynamics, less maintenance, and lower per-mile operating costs.” Neil is not alone in invoking the tech analogy. For example, an International Monetary Fund report asserted: “Smartphone substitution seemed no more imminent in the early 2000s than large-scale energy substitution seems today.”[100]
The notion that we’re witnessing a tech-like acceleration for EVs is worse than a canard—it’s nonsensical in the energy physics of moving people and cargo versus moving data. If battery chemistry—the pillar of EV inevitability—could follow the arc of computing’s progress, we would soon see a peanut-size battery power a car for its lifetime on a single charge. Only in comic books does energy tech advance at the pace of information tech, such as in Moore’s Law (Figure 11).
The Future Price of EVs Is in the Hands of (Foreign) Mining & Refining Companies
Refueling Infrastructures in an All-EV Future
So far, 90% of EVs in the U.S. have been purchased as a second or third car by wealthy households with a garage.[125] A recent JD Powers survey confirms that for luxury-car buyers, “driving performance” was the primary reason for the purchase.[126] For these owners, an exciting-to-drive EV is convenient and inexpensively refueled overnight. Consistent with this market, the data show that most EVs are used only occasionally and driven half as many miles as the average car.[127] For automakers, that’s still a tantalizingly big market because at least 50 million vehicles in the U.S. are put to occasional use by a multicar household.[128] But that’s not the all-EV world that the prohibitions on ICE vehicles intend to create.
While only one-third of American households have a garage, the fueling infrastructure challenges begin in those neighborhoods for an all-EV world.[129]
If all garage owners use home chargers, it will necessitate massive upgrades to residential electric networks. Otherwise, as one study showed, “more than 95 percent of residential transformers would be overloaded,” meaning that they fail or can blow up.[130] And there’s also an inconvenient feature in the physics of heat.
Even if an EV is fueled at night, when there’s less demand on the grid, the air-cooled transformers (on the local utility poles) can remain overheated after sunrise, when normal residential peak loads begin to heat them up further, thus still increasing the prospects for daytime overload failures, even using off-peak charging.
Driving an EV for Most People: Exciting and Expensive
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1332 words!
How’d the mods cope with that behemoth post!?
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Phew! I haven’t read it yet, but I did say aside from the battery..
That said, there are two great nonsenses in the commentary to date.
1. That EV cars should be built on the same template as ICE vehicles, and
2. That an EV should go from 0 to 100 km/h in ten seconds or less.
Economics dictate that the tare mass be minimised and motor efficiency be maximised.
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Economics and intelligence don’t figure anywhere when it comes to the masses and their vehicles. ICE technology could well be improved to make them more economically and environmentally efficient but people want huge great 4×4, ‘f*ck you’, vehicles that do 10 miles to the gallon.
That ain’t going to change with EVs.
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And, as any actually sentient being with a knowledge of basic electrics will know, “neck-snapping acceleration” chews through a LOT more juice, (electrons or hydrocarbons), than more genteel application of pedal towards metal.
Regular, heavy current drains associated with rapid acceleration is also fairly harsh on the batteries and cabling. Never forget that the “current’ flows in a CIRCUIT. The battery pack is unavoidably IN THAT CIRCUIT. So, if you are pulling a hundred amps through teh motors, you are also doing the same to the cables and BATTERY.
High current is inexorably associated with high heat generation.
Join the dots. Anyone fancy a self-immolating EV in a long road tunnel?
The ONLY “science” involved in this massive fraud is POLITICAL “science”.
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Ah- you mean “Total recall” with Arnie on Mars in the ‘robot-driven’ taxi running around the underground mining town at 5kph.
The 3-wheel flimsy car was obviously made of cardboard,and I can quite see it as the mass transport for the peasants!
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John might I recommend Apple Magic Mouse – Lightning Scrolling
Apologies for length – probably the best Article I Have read on EVs and CO2 – have bookmarked and downloaded
Conclusion: There’s No Such Thing as a Carbon-Free Lunch
Imagining a hypothetical all-EV world requires acknowledging the unavoidable fact of a rats’ nest of assumptions, guesses, and ambiguities regarding emissions. Much of the necessary data may never be collectible in any normal regulatory fashion, given the technical uncertainties and the variety and opacity of geographic factors, as well as the proprietary nature of many of the processes. Those uncertainties could lead to havoc if U.S. and European regulators enshrine “green disclosures” in legally binding ways, and it all will be subject to manipulation, if not fraud.[189]
If ICE prohibitions do take effect, it will happen before EVs are available at a price that most people can afford or have features that most people need or want. One predictable consequence will be far fewer new cars available, leading to a massive increase in the demand for, and the cost of, used ICE cars.
If the policy goal is to reduce automotive petroleum use, there are far easier and more certain ways to achieve that. Combustion engines have already been built and are commercially viable that can cut fuel use by 50%.[190] In fact, an earlier IEA analysis finds that gains in automobile fuel efficiency will displace at least 300% more petroleum than adding 300 million EVs to the world’s roads by 2040.[191]
It would be easier, cheaper, faster—and transparently verifiable—to incentivize consumers to purchase more efficient internal combustion engines or hybrids. Subsidies redirected away from wealthy EV owners would buy far greater, and documentable, emissions reductions per dollar if offered to, for example, lower-income gasoline “superusers”—the 10% of drivers consuming one-third of all gasoline[192]—with a credit tied to trailing odometer mileage. Such a policy would, additionally, be progressive, rather than regressive, in tax terms.
The future will see tens of millions more EVs on the roads, even without government programs that favor or mandate them. But the entire edifice of subsidies, prohibitions, and regulations to move most, if not all, citizens from ICE cars into EVs is based on a profoundly weak—or, in some cases, false—foundation of claims about emissions reductions and economic parity.
Meanwhile, if implemented, ICE bans will lead to a massive misallocation of capital in the world’s $4 trillion personal mobility industry.[193] It will also lead to draconian constraints on freedoms and unprecedented impediments to affordable and convenient driving. And it will have little to no impact on global CO2 emissions. In fact, the bans and EV mandates are more likely to cause a net increase in emissions.
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Old Oz..
Teds original post was about COST of EVs ( other than the battery)
You extensive and excellent post was all about emissions ?
I might suggest to Ted , that EVs cars themselves are not significantly more costly than ICEs, and most of the cost difference IS THE BATTERY.
In reality you can (it has been done many times) , simply take an existing rolling ICE car body, and swap out the petrol engine for a similar cost electric motor and controls …..
…..but then you have to add the battery, with its associated costs.
Electric motor and controls are a mature technology with well refined production costs.
..High energy density (high capacity , low weight) , batteries are not !
The industry (Tesla etc) have long told us that battery cost is US$100/ kWh, but the reality is that retail ( end user) cost has yet to be seen below $300-$400 kWh .?
Obviously the $100/kWh is a manufacturing cost for CELLS only, so by the time they have been assembled into a high capacity pack, with all necessary connections , controls, monitoring, cooling, etc etc….and then expect the usual “margins” and “development recovery” costs etc, then you get an idea of why EVs are so expensive.
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“In contrast to cars with internal combustion engines, it’s impossible to measure an EV’s CO2 emissions.”
This guy prolly walked up the scaffold thinking about measuring stuff.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Lavoisier
Somehow I think we might be looking at 1794 allover again.
Harr … we think we can measure stuff.
Did you know it takes EXACTLY one year for the Earth to orbit the Sun?
Keerist … get a couple of cholesterol tests and see if they match.
For that matter get a couple of carbon dating test.
And OMG the world has warmed one degree!
Last hour was the hottest hour EVER!
Oh … and we calculated the age of the Universe with computers and everything and got it exactly right.
(The number even had a . )
I’m guessing all that matters in life now and for the foreseeable future is measuring ‘carbon’.
Carbon based life forms measuring carbon.
It will become money.
You’ll need sufficient ‘carbon’ credit to buy food.
They’ll even measure your footprint.
If you fail in producing the carbon footprint required of good citizenry, and can’t feed yourself, you will be offered MAID, you know, as a government benefit.
The Age of Reason is over.
It is now recreation time in the Asylum.
But OMG … there is about to be another major breakthrough in battery technology.*
*(So you may dismiss my rant.)
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I know this is a science blog, so I want to be as accurate as my midwittery allows.
In regards to the Age of the Universe, the settled science was only off by half … or is it whole … or a magnitude of … oh well, whatever.
https://phys.org/news/2023-07-age-universe-billion-years-previously.html
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The age of the universe is ‘modelled’ based on the ‘available facts’. Two issues right there. Our current astrophysical knowledge cannot account for 95% of the mass of the universe. So, it’s all a work in progress …
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More like outright lies. But when people get swept away in fantasy land they lose the ability to distinguish reality.
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I forecast huge demand for ICE vehicles in the lead-up to that ban. This will of course result in higher prices and unhappy buyers when the ban is postponed.
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I forecast no demand for ICE or EVs. When everyone is living in 15 minute cities and receiving their daily ration of fresh crickets, they won’t need cars.
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There are a few issues to consider – who will be manufacturing the ICE cars that everyone intends to last time buy? Probably looking at a waiting list since manufacturers will have scale back their production.
Where will you get the spare parts to service the ICE cars from end of line over the expected lifetime of the vehicle? i.e. parts are no longer made or since there re no economies of scale much more expensive.
Where will you get the fuel to keep the ICE running and will it maker economic sense compared to running an EV car? Considering all the levies put on that fuel.
More realistically I expect severe economic dislocation between now and the the early 2030s before the world settles into its new order, whatever that may be. The disruption to supply of cheap energy, sovereign debt default and culmination of war are the defining major issues that will grind populations and politics.
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“The disruption to supply of cheap energy, sovereign debt default and culmination of war are the defining major issues that will grind populations and politics.”
Yes, the ban on ICE vehicles is a sideshow to keep the masses from watching the main event… The collapse of the American Empire, the ‘West’, because of the debt on its Dollar, and the sacrifice of Europe to break Russia, which will be suicide by America at the same time.
They intend to throw in Poland and then NATO next, without realising Russia is in a better situation to come out of a Europe-wide war on top. If the USA push hard enough it will turn nuclear, but already NATO is complaining of running out of arms and ammunition to supply Ukraine.
As the BRICS expand they draw more countries into non-Dollar trade and when demand for USdollars falls the currency will lose its value. A gold standard in the BRICS would hasten the Dollar’s end. More than anything the collapse of the Dollar means the end of America in its delusion of world leader.
OPEC+ see oil demand rising continually through next two decades, and I would believe them over any Western Govt. While we drive ourselves down a dead-end the emerging nations have no intention of giving up ICE vehicles.
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One advantage of the ICE vehicle is that when the first owner wants to move on to a later model or needs to upgrade for whatever reason there is a resale value that can partly offset the cost of a new vehicle. EVs apparently do not have great resale value as it will depend on the remnant life of the very expensive battery. My auto electrician son tells me that EV batteries have a battery condition monitor which tells a prospective buyer how much life is left which in turn tells the buyer when and how much a new battery will cost. An ICE car by comparison is judged by kilometres driven and overall condition; a much simpler task. Modern ICE cars are usually good for 200,000 km or more. Will a battery be good for 200,000 km?
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There are all kinds of outlandish claims. Here is a guy who has done 1,600,000+klms (2 battery replacements and 8 electric motors) so yes on average you could say 500k klms per battery. One anecdote does not represent a whole population of course.
https://insideevs.com/news/592845/tesla-model-s-passes-1-million-miles/
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Over half a mil miles [Yes private cars can do that] ICEs will incur repair costs, timing belts and auto gearbox o/haul etc, but the costs are a grand or two after the first 100,000 miles ongoing, but when each repair comes up the owner will consider the usefulness V replacement costs. If the bill comes in a big lump sum the owner will likely ditch it.
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One of the things that really bugs me about the whole Voice campaign (and there are several) is the insistence of the media and Voice proponents to talk about the ingenious people who were here before the Brits arrived as “First Nations”.
There never was or were a nation or nations here. There was no government, no king, chief or president at a national level, or even a local level.
All that was here were several hundred small tribes or family groups, often antagonistic to each other. We are rewriting history, specifically to give some credence to the activists’ plan to create Aboriginal sovereignty – should the Voice succède.
I have made a comment on this several times in The Australian, and it has been rejected each time.
Someone tell me if I’m wrong!
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I wonder how many similar comments have been rejected by The Australian?
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My comments are rejected on a weekly basis.
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I only recall one lately? None in the trash?
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As are mine.
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All of mine for a start. The Australian does not want it’s readers to know that the Australian Aborigine achieved zip in however many years they claim to have been here. I read a recent article where researchers used DNA to determine that the current crop of Aborigines were strongly related to peoples of India and that the dingo was strongly related to the Indian jackal. they also estimated that that migration was as recent as 4000 years ago. Would it be too hard to ask a concerned government to do proper research into the real history of the Aborigine? I realise they can’t handle climate science so I am asking far too much I know but you would think such investigation to be fundamental especially if we are to have truth telling.
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My favourite is that recent ABC series that tried to make out that the aborigines were genius scientists. One of their achievements was “harnessing a river system”. They basically dammed a creek … equivalent to what the average family of beavers is capable of.
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I assume (with no evidence) that the current family history web sites (Ancestry, etc.) and others will already give an indication of national DNA makeup. So maybe the answers are already out there. Maybe ask Mr Google.
Historically the current story of mankind’s evolution is: pond scum eventually becomes mammals, which become upright tool users in Africa, following a great migration out of africa some turning left to Europe and some turning right to Asia. So, the original Australians would almost certainly have arrived via India. Although, like native Americans maybe they went via Scandanavia, Greenland, Russia, China ;-), Indonesia to Oz.
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PeterPetrum,
You only have to read
The native tribes of Central Australia
by Spencer, Baldwin, Sir, 1860-1929; Gillen, Francis James, 1856-1912
to understand the truth of your statement
There never was or were a nation or nations here. There was no government, no king, chief or president at a national level, or even a local level.
All that was here were several hundred small tribes or family groups, often antagonistic to each other. We are rewriting history, specifically to give some credence to the activists’ plan to create Aboriginal sovereignty – should the Voice succède.
Aborigines Department – Report for Financial Year ending 30th June 1901 – https://aiatsis.gov.au/sites/default/files/docs/digitised_collections/remove/73082.pdf
Aborigines possibly the tenth race to have inhabited Australia
plus
GEOGRAPHICAL MEMOIRS ON NEW SOUTH WALES; – https://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks13/1304421h.html
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Some more references
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/12/infanticide-in-traditional-aboriginal-society/
https://quadrant.org.au/magazine/2021/09/the-incidence-of-cannibalism-in-aboriginal-society/
https://quadrant.org.au/?s=aboriginal
and from the above reference list aboriginal on quadrant
Paul Prociv – https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/aborigines/2023/05/glimpses-of-daily-life-in-a-remote-aboriginal-community/
worth a read
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Aboriginal industry always has been about power and money.
Wielded by the Canberra, Sydney, Melbourne triangle of evil.
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The early anthropologists who personally witnessed and documented Aboriginal life and customs have been discredited and “cancelled” by contemporary “scholars.” It is outrageous that first hand knowledge is now not “believable” simply because it is not politically convenient. Thankfully, the evidence is still in libraries and in various other sources. But for how long?
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The romanticism being applied to the Aboriginal age surely has, in the form of the National Indigenous Television (NITV) series “The First Inventors”, reached its zenith.
It seems that every statement made to validate the special status of the culture and every statement made to invalidate the rights of other cultures is based on the claim of some 65,000 years of “ownership” by the 300-400 nations/tribes/clans/mobs that “ruled” this continent, unlocked, and safeguarded its secrets while living in an idyllic peaceful and bountiful utopia free from the ravages of war and disease.
However, for me the fly in the ointment that is this narrative is why doesn’t the population evidence (living and deceased) support the timeline? Using Pure Calculators’ population growth calculator and starting with an initial population of 10, with a .5% growth rate spread over just 3000 years the final population, as in turnover, is given as 31,490,914. If we increase (only) the time span figure to just 5000 years, the final population figure becomes 676,563,840,009. That is a hell of a lot of bones buried within the 7,656,127sq km of mainland Australia.
Yes, bones degenerate to dust over time. However, Australia is claimed to have been inhabited 23,000 years before the Mungo Man and the Mungo Lady died with their remains dated to 42,000 years ago.
But then, maybe it doesn’t bear much thinking about given that the oldest human remains ever discovered are over 300,000 years old.
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You are a treasure Old Ozzie! I have tried to access Baldwin’s work before – and not been successful. Thank you!!!!
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Cape York, The Savage Frontier.
A book worth reading.
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Also, if you can get hold of a book written in the 1960s: “I, the Aboriginal” by Douglas Lockwood. Lockwood (who I met in the 1960s) wrote a biography of an Alawa man from the Roper River region of NT who had been educated by a local mission, but was an initiated man in his clan. He later managed to live between two worlds after he was employed as a medical orderly by a visiting GP. The book is a treasure trove of descriptions of tribal life that was still intact in the region in the 1940s/1950s.
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So interesting to read the records of the travelling inspectors who reported back to the Aborigines Dept. Concern was always for how they were treated on the stations. While we should never be naive about this, it is noteworthy that conditions were specifically investigated. This is so contrary to what is often depicted by contemporary commentators.
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Thanks, Old Aussie!
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I’m waiting for the King Island land rights claim. (There were no aboriginals there, but I’m amazed they haven’t claimed it).
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Likewise with Flinders Island. It was used to settle Aborigines from Tasmania but there were no Aborigines there prior to that.
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I recommend a book called The Lizard Eaters by Douglas Lockwood who in 1957 sought out to find and did find the last remaining Aborigines in the desert who had never had contact with modernity. The book was published in 1964 and believe it or not, is still in print today.
He documented the appalling state of these people and their incredibly primitive lifestyle, probably the world’s most primitive by far. E.g. no clothes, no shelter, they slept in the dirt, their children were so permanently miserable they didn’t bother to cry, if food was short children would be abandoned etc..
The myth of the Noble Savage is just that. Their lives were miserable and horrific and they are fortunate that Europeans saved them from their misery.
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The existence of the Pintubi people belies Darwinian theory, but simultaneously supports the theory that chronic undernourishment stunts the brain as well as the body.
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As the sun sinks slowly in the west, so the yes campaign sinks slowly in the east.
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I hope so. Then again I wouldn’t have thought Andrews would get back in or Albanese would form a Government.
What the occupants of opinion bubbles think and what the people think isn’t often aligned.
If the YES vote fails, the lashing out and name calling will be epic
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There was no Sovereign Nation. Therefore, Australia as the only Sovereign Nation on this Continent cannot make a Treaty with so called “First Nations” (A phrase stolen from the Canadian natives BTW). QED.
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The whole kitbag of stolen generation/sovereignty and soon-to-be treaty and reparations has been modelled from the contemporary OS indigenous campaigns.
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I really dont like the term “First Nations” because it’s misleading, and also feel like the term has been copy/pasted from the USA with no recognition or understanding of the cultural differences. (not that I think it’s a suitable term for the USA either, but that’s their problem).
It seems like the usual suspects (the authoritarian sanctimonious ignorant racists) assume that all indigenous non-white cultures are the same.
While I think it’s shameful that any Australians (whatever their race, etc…) live in poverty and squalor, with few prospects in life,I still maintain that. a “yes” vote is a sure sign of racism, and I am very much hoping that the tidal wave of shameless pro-aboriginal propaganda will turn people towards “no”.
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Equally I object to the term “indigenous” being used instead of Aboriginal. It is another way the socialists have bastardised our language to deny those of us who were born here our descriptor for we are also indigenous. Albo and his mates are apparently not indigenous.
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I’ve spoken to quite a few people lately who have told me they feel depressed because of the poor state of Australia and Vicdanistan in particular.
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On the other hand we met up with some people today who were friends when we lived in Europe 20 years ago (an Irish/American couple) they think Australia is one of the few countries they would move to. Not sure if that is a comment on Australia or the sad state of much of the world these days.
The American doesnt want to live in the US and the Irish thinks what was once Ireland is rapidly disappearing under waves of immigration.
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I would feel depressed too if I had to stay here for another 20 yrs. I might feel depressed for my grandkids, if I had any.
But the boomers will have the last laugh, they have largely passed the batten on, ’tis the next generation stuffing it all up. They would deny it be we passed on a world that was pretty decent.
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Service could be titled:
“The Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice To Anybody…Anybody At All, Hello, Is This Thing On?”
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Why can’t they revert to smoke signals or message sticks, used to work before the evil whities came along and spoiled their 60,000 year reverie.
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Not applicable if you’re not aboriginal, yet also live in a communications dead-spot, I guess….?
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Oh by the way…
No touching the Kings frog, it’ll get ya arrested.
At the Open Golf Tournament, only one person in this whole world is legally qualified to touch a frog.
Get ya arrested if you do.
Oh lord, my child took it to school and now it’s lockdown with mass arrests…
How about, if you ate it, you’re liable to life imprisonment…
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King Island is at 90% diesel. It generally is when I look.
Here is an article claiming 100% renewables achieved in 2013. But it rarely is. The place runs on diesel still. Hyperbolic claims abound. It claims 50% reduction in diesel production. Another article I saw claimed 35%. I’d suggest they’re both wrong from what I glean.
That place has about 1500 residents, 5 wind turbines, and a battery, and the Tas government spends $7mil per year or $2500 per person per year. Are you kidding me?
What a complete joke. And yet the media words are all positive. “What the future looks like”. Sure is
https://reneweconomy.com.au/king-island-achieves-100-renewables-wind-solar-storage-98209/
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Might shave off a couple of gallons a month but that’s about all, one great big joke.
If you can’t generate reliable power in the Roaring 40’s, how are you going to do it in rural anywhere.
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I continue to make this point in comments in The Oz, for articles about installing offshore wind turbines in Bass Strait.
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Yes, and in an entirely negative way, not the positive way of the propagandists.
If you could make unreliables work anywhere on the planet, you’d think a small island with a small population right in the middle of the roaring forties would be the place.
And they don’t even work there
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All they need is around 10 billion hamsters on treadmills to generate the electricity. Now, what to feed those hamsters on.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
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This is Australia’s energy future.
https://youtu.be/ZNa-JHPnpgM
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LOL. And I was only joking……………….
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Thanks that was hilarious. I was expecting something kind of like that but didn’t expect it to be so funny. And it’s funny because it’s true.
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Yes. With Bowens solar and wind grid widely dispersed and not connected so we struggle on with Bayswater and a generator in every home. Widespread destruction of forests as poor people (that is the majority) scavenge for wood and nighttime raids by professional wood gatherers to feed the ever increasing demand for warmth. Albo admits that wood fired ovens cannot keep the Portland alumina smelter going.
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Try the Falkland Islands:
In August 2007, Phase 1 of the Sand Bay wind farm came online. This consisted of three 330kW Enercon E-33 wind turbines. The immense success of this project meant that Phase 2 (a further three E-33 turbines and three flywheel storage systems) was commissioned and began contributing power to the grid in February 2010. On average, just over 30% of Stanley’s power requirement is met by the Sand Bay wind farm. Three Enercon E-33 turbines make up the Mare Harbour wind farm, which came online in December 2014 and which generates power for Mount Pleasant Complex. The Power and Electrical Section operates and maintains both of these wind farms, with 22 staff, made up of management, stores personnel, five mechanical staff, six electrical staff and seven power station operators who work a shift system to permanently man the control room 24 hours a day. Maintenance of the wind turbines is shared amongst the mechanical and electrical staff.
The Falkland Islands generates 19,000 MWh of electricity as of 2016 (the last figures available).
Fossil fuels 53% (10,000 MWh)
Renewables 47% (9,000 MWh)
Hydroelectricity, Geothermal, Solar, Tide & Wave, and Biomass all 0 %
Wind speeds on the islands are 8.5 m/s (30.6 km/hour) during summer and 14 m/s (50.4 km/hour) during winter.
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In your face John Kerry:
Great lakes big rig challenge 2023. loaded semi drag race
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cecw41iuto
Class A is 19 litre V8 twin turbo.
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How good are those gear boxes?
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Sophisticate Drones That Can be Used in War or Civil Unrest
https://youtu.be/lnRLNpaVuYo
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How many children born in the 1990’s or before had the idea to sterilise and mutilate themselves by removing their genitals and breasts because they had been told they were “born in the wrong body”? It was almost unheard of. Back then, no one was encouraging it as they are today.
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Yes, and it’s growing to ridiculous levels.
Nadine Ness said she has been contacted by several parents who are worried about the percentage of students in some classrooms who are identifying as LGBT.
In one case, she said, a father told her that in his 13-year-old son’s class, 13 out of 30 young people identify as LGBT.
She was also notified of a principal in a different school telling a parent that some 32 percent of Grade 7 and 8 students are identifying as LGBT.
Her concern is that the percentages seem very high.
“I think it sends a clear message that something is happening in the classroom that is leading kids to go that route of either identifying or being confused about gender,” she told The Epoch Times.
“That 32 percent is not what’s reflected in society.”
“It just confirms what I’m hearing from parents across the province,” she added. “It’s not every classroom. It seems that they all have a few things in common where the children will have been exposed to teachers or people within the school system that are constantly pushing that ideology.”
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/concerns-raised-over-number-students-identifying-lgbt
As I’ve said, and countless recent articles now confirm, it’s essentially a pandemic of mentally ill, often autistic, chronically unhappy kids who, through contempable actions by adults in authority, believe that if they undergo major surgery and extremely disruptive drug therapies, both often causing irreversible damage, their lives will magically become happier and people will (be forced to) accept them for what they are, even though they can’t accept themselves for what they are.
Don’t start me off.😎
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Evidence that Satan exists.
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A lot of Hollyweirdos have “trans” children.
Megan Fox has three of them.
Something nor quite right there?
JP discusses:
https://youtu.be/jISkK6qM6uU
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You had to make me post, didn’t you. 😁
https://www.bitchute.com/video/y3hHWGPyQ5wQ/
Barf bags on standby.
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Maybe the trans nonsense is affecting the fauna.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/3a28d0491b12364dbcb7c38a5ad21027/02d5f64ba399e980-e6/s540x810/ba076a2677a6d58e1c9424e81d85bde3b00736b7.jpg
This Northern Cardinal was caught and banded in central Texas by the Inland Bird Banding Association.
It displays bilateral gynandromorphism, having female plumage on one side of its body and male on the other.
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There’s a girl drummer from a 90s band called Luscious Jackson, and she is a raving lefty lesbian, the whole package – her mother is a lesbian, her sister something or other as well, and she has made a son -somehow – who is now, trans cross fluid non binary whatever.
No, something not right there. It could be just my bigotry but….
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How was she conceived? How was her son conceived? A sperm still ultimately has to come from a male, regardless of how it is delivered to the egg.
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At some point a penis must have been involved.
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It’s child abuse.
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I see Bowen wants off-shore wind farms (as does Dan Andrews) but their wishful thinking won’t necessarily make them happen.
Vattenfall has pulled out of the Northsea Boreas farm (for sucking up subsidies) because the cost of raw materials and the increased cost of the necessary money has jumped 40%. Denmark’s Orsted warned that it might pause the Hornsea 3 project in the UK – expected to be the world’s largest wind farm when it opens – unless it gets help with surging costs.
I am sure Bowen will avoid such action using an open chequebook, but that may not deliver them anyway.
Wind Europe also issued a report about looming problems in relation to the ships needed to construct and connect offshore wind in June last year . “World wide shortage of FIVs,WTIVs and CLVs posses risk for project execution worldwide”
(FIVs – Foundation Installation Vessels: WTIVs – Wind Turbine Installation Vessels: CLVs Cable Laying Vessels)
Are there any of these in Australian waters?
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Opposition l leader Dutton can stop this madness very quickly by announcing a policy of immediately withdrawing all subsidies once the Coalition is back in power & a fully fledged transition to HELE coal & nuclear will replace the W & S wet dreams of the left!
Investors past, present & future will disappear almost overnight because they realise that once the conservatives in the electorate get wind of the policies they’ll flock back to the coalition and Dutton’s victory will be set in concrete.
Dutton will of course need to remove all bedwetters from the coalition’s party room!
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The opposition is the same people that were governing 2 years ago, they did nothing then, they oppose nothing now, and they will continue to drive the agenda down the path we are on.
Lip service is all that’s required for you to bend a knee, you want to put the same people in and you expect a different result.
Lib/Nat where the party of lockdowns, mandates and forced Vaxinations, threw our Constitution out the door, and you want to give the tossers another crack. Beat me harder daddy.
There is no forgetting what the Lib/Nats did to us, they should never be allowed to walk amongst us….ever.
The news is on, get back to your TV.
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Right on.
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MP do you have another political party or any other party hidden under your bed?
Don’t be like the current MPs. Tell us what action you’re going to take!
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Do you actually look at the ballot paper, can you only see two boxes?
How about we dump all career politicians, vote the person or parties that are actually trying to oppose this death by a thousand cuts path we are on.
But that would go against what the TV tells you though.
Stop listening to what they say and judge them by what they do.
News at 7
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What do the loss of the Titan submersible and mRNA vaxxes have in common?
Innovation.
This is the hallmark of what Stockton Rush based his carbon fiber/titanium pressure chamber on. It was done in the name of innovation. It was the way forward. A way to bring humanity to the depths of the Titanic in a quick, cheap and safe way. Yet, everyone who knew anything about deep sea pressure chambers said – and told him – he was wrong and dangerously so.
Anyone who dared to challenge Rush on the safety of his innovation was immediately purged and silenced. “We have heard the baseless cries of ‘you are going to kill someone’ way too often. I take this as a serious personal insult,” is something Rush wrote in response to the many calls for him to stop. Yet, he also claimed that his technology “flies in the face of submersible orthodoxy, but that is the nature of innovation.”
When David Lochridge, a former employee of OceanGate officially brought up concerns of safety with the submersible, not only was he not listened to – at all – he was given ten minutes to clear out his desk and vacate the premises. Does this sound familiar? How many mRNA critics met the exact same fate? All of them!
Echoes abound.
“Safer than crossing the street.” – Stockton Rush
“Covid vaccines not linked to deaths, major US study finds” – BBC
For me, the most ominous element to the Titan catastrophe was the buildup. The incremental destruction of the integrity of the hull with each dive. It wasn’t a question of if, it was a certainty of when. After how many dives? After how many shots.
Wasn’t innovation and a rush to get protection out to everyman the pulpit from which the mRNA therapies were thrust upon humanity? Weren’t we repeatedly told we COULDN’T get COVID if we had them? We COULDN’T spread it? And weren’t so many people who understood the science saying it was completely incorrect? And dangerously so?
https://wmcresearch.substack.com/p/the-loss-of-the-titan-submersible
Oh so true, but virtually no-one has woken up to the elephant in the room yet.
They’re not just badly conceived and injurious shots. Oh no…they’re far more devious and advanced. 😎
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A dash of POISON: Major spice brands found to contain HEAVY METALS
The American nonprofit Consumer Reports (CR) first disclosed this in November 2021, after it tested 126 individual spice products. Spices from Walmart’s Great Value, 365 by Whole Foods Market, La Flor Spices, McCormick & Co., Penzeys Spices and Spice Islands were among those tested.
Forty products – roughly one-third of the total tested – had high enough levels of heavy metals such as arsenic, lead and cadmium “to pose a health concern for children when regularly consumed in typical serving sizes.” CR also noted that thyme and oregano products it tested had “concerning” levels of heavy metals.
According to experts at the nonprofit consumer group, 31 products tested had levels of lead so high that they exceeded the maximum amount anyone should have in a day. CR Director of Food Safety and Testing James E. Rogers remarked that even if some of these products are used in cooking, they raise serious heavy metal concerns when used regularly in the kitchen.
“When people think about heavy metals in their diet – if they do at all – it’s probably the lead in their drinking water or arsenic in their children’s fruit juices or cereals,” he said. “But our tests show that dried herbs and spices can be a surprising, and worrisome, source for children and adults.”
“Frequent exposure to even small amounts of lead, arsenic, cadmium and other heavy metals is dangerous, in part because it’s difficult for the human body to break them down or excrete them. Over time, exposure to those heavy metals can harm health.
http://www.yourdestinationnow.com/2023/07/a-dash-of-poison-major-spice-brands.html
Don’t think this just affects the USA.
Popular spices sold here typically originate in the heavy metal contaminated ecosystems of India and China, and I was a victim a few years back.
Little wonder the countries of origin are not willingly disclosed.
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I discontinued my subscription to CR years ago when they started a campaign against arsenic in drinking water. Stated goal: No arsenic at all. This is a moving target, depending on the accuracy of detection methods. What is OK today may not be OK tomorrow.
Please note how richly they quantify their findings: “concerning levels” ..”pose a health concern” ..
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Sunday entertainment: what do you think of the vaxxed?
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1682755010566803457
😆😆😆
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Sunday entertainment 2: torque wrenches for dummies
https://youtu.be/-EArGcEKnZ4?si=MPs4SsD052Zm7ENJ
Oh boy! The stupid, it burns. Hand position doesn’t matter mate!
He should tackle the “double clickers” – that’ll fill his inbox. 😆😆😆
His comments on science & facts vs opinion and beliefs apply to climate/renewables/trans etc etc too. 😄
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Sunday weather weirdness: wow!
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_rxew1tbaYK1vebmpg.mp4
Anyone?
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Last Week’s Record High Temperatures Were FAKED!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arjKzv2oojI
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I’m sorry to say it but there has been some real rubbish said about this by skeptics, saying the forecasts were deceiving ground surface temperatures and never reached as standard measured air temperatures.
This is simply untrue.
Proper measured temperatures HAVE reached the mid 40sC in lots of places from Spain and across southern Europe, 47.7C last Wednesday in Sardinia and Corsica.
The most extreme heat has been fairly patchy and restricted in area though, and only lasted a day or 2 in each place so far. So it is easy to point to days/dates and go look it was only 35C or whatever.
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Sorry to disappoint – but Sardinia achieved a Max on Wed 19th of 28 degrees Celsius, 31 C degree on Thursday the 20th and a max of 34.1C degrees on Tuesday 18th.
You have been lied to…
https://www.localconditions.com/weather-sardinia-ohio/45171/past.php
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No you just need to do better research and look at more sources. You’ve just proved exactly what I said. The really extreme temperatures were patchy and it is easy to find merely hot temperatures.
Before calling someone a liar, be very very sure of your facts.
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Or before perpetuating scare stories how about you provide links to reliable data to prove your statements.
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I have.
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No … you specifically said Sardinia reached 47.7c degrees temp and I provided a general source that disproved you claim.
It is up to you to provide a better link for such evidence.
Additionally I never called you a liar … only that you have been lied to.
You obvious obtuseness does beg a critical question…
In fact … here is another – for Corsica rating a top temp of 39C degrees on Tuesday the 18th.
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@9031433/historic
Disprove away!
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I’ve never seen dafter logic, claiming something didn’t happen anywhere because it didn’t happen in one random place you picked.
I’ve posted lots of links, I’m done on this topic.
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MrGrim, the point here — as far as I can tell — is that the forecast temps of 46C didn’t happen. Not even close. I’d like to know where those official temps are recorded, but the only list I could find suggested the peak temp in Sardinia or Sicily in July on any day was about 40C, and most of the time it was much cooler.
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@ 17.1.1, that’s a place named Sardinia in Ohio, U.S.A.
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Thanks, didn’t pick that up
Went and got this link for Italy that only records 40C
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@2523227/historic
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Calling twaddle on this. We had headlines re 48C temperatures in Sicily, and high 40s in Italy in general. My paesan, who was there, said absolute merdo di tauro, it was only low 30s, and he sent the 10 day forecast which said the same. He then went north to the Amalfi coast, and it was low 30s there as well. I looked up the 10 day forecast for there and it was all low 30s as well.
Here’s how I think the scam is done. There is one place in Europe (a village in Spain, say) where a really high temperature is recorded: hot in Europe in mid-summer – amazing scenes! Anyhoo…. This is trumpeted as a hyper-generalised and expanded out by a factor of 50 to “record temperatures in Europe!” Vison is then shown of eg revellers in Rome cooling off in the Trevi Fountain, or in France submerged in the sea with the eyes showing, or whatever, with the clear but false implication that the record temperatures are there as well.
Something similar happened with the UK a year or two ago. Supposedly, record temperatures were rampant, and England was on fire, with blazes spontaneously springing up around London due to the inferno. I looked up my hometown temps (Portsmouth) and they were high 20s! My cousin in Birmingham to the north reported low 30s. There may have been a narrow finger of heat, or a hot cell a few miles across, but it was completely hyped to apocalyptic levels. As now, I suspect there was a COP meeting due very shortly, and these exaggerations ae simply ambit claims to leverage influence.
The science does say heatwaves aren’t getting worse globally, but who cares about the science when there are trillions of dollars to be made in Australia alone?
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The 48°C in Sicily were ground temperatures not 2m air temperatures !
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No they weren’t, that is the daft story that people have been spreading. Use your brain, 40s for ground temperatures is far too low. Spain reached 60C easily on satellite measured ground temperature.
For the nth time, Sardinia did reach 47.7C in at least one place, the most extreme temps were in a narrow band.
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ESA Sat data are ground data as they told.
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Ground temperature 60C.
‘Real’ 45C in Andalusia.
https://euro.dayfr.com/world/amp/525187
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Wednesday 19th a station in Sardinia/Corsica reached at least 43C (may have been higher inbetween readings).
https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/@8378527/historic
Loads of places in Europe reached mid 40s.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_European_heat_waves
It was predicted Sardinia may reach 48C, in reality:
“When I phoned them on Thursday, the day after a weather station in south-central Sardinia registered 47.7c (117.8f) they certainly weren’t looking for an early flight home.”
Source https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12325657/When-super-fit-cyclist-Andrea-Sechi-collapsed-died-heart-attack-Sardinia-weekend-instantly-blamed-global-warming-despite-8-30am-just-22C-DAVID-JONES-investigates-people-fuelling-climate-hysteria.html
Clearly the predictions were realised although most fell short of record breaking by mere fractions – but we still haven’t finished what was expected to be the hottest point.
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https://www.esa.int/ESA_Multimedia/Images/2023/07/Land-surface_temperature_in_Italy
“It is worth noting the difference between air temperature and land-surface temperature. Air temperature, given in our daily weather forecasts, is a measure of how hot the air is above the ground. Land-surface temperature instead is a measure of how hot the actual surface would feel to the touch.”
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Neil Oliver: Weather maps are among the most blatant forms of fearmongering deployed so far.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvvBp25eh0U
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Paint it red.
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https://leadstories.com/german%20weather%20map%20FB%20post.png
Paint it red for lower temps?
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red is the lowest, hot is really red.
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If you want world peace, wheat prices have to be low.”
So what is the price of anything? … surely all relative ? … but as a concept? … and what follows that ? If you want world health, … etc.
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If we look at Zharkova’s prediction of the strength of the solar magnetic field we can see that it is of the same magnitude in cycles 24 and 25 and decreases dramatically in cycle 26. This works perfectly in the latest Stanford WSO update.
https://i0.wp.com/solargsm.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/image-1.png?resize=768%2C291&ssl=1
http://wso.stanford.edu/gifs/Polar.gif
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Interesting how DuByne hasn’t mentioned Zharkova’s solar model predictions for well over a year now…
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Over the past two days, the apparent “cancelling of Nobel Physics Laureate, John Clausen,
https://joannenova.com.au/2023/07/another-skeptical-nobel-laureate-of-physics-climate-science-has-metastasized/
from presenting his views and improvements on climate modeling before an International Monetary Fund meeting is making the rounds. Can’t let economist geek catch wind of skeptic critiques, can we now?
Steve Milloy’s Junkscience blog seems to be leading with this weekend breaking news, with the Tweet
“ Breaking:
IMF cancels speaking engagement for 2022 Nobel prize winner in physics for saying: ‘I don’t believe there is a climate crisis.’”
But I’ll share a link to the first site to report on it, aside from the CO2 coalition, Redstate.com, which also aggregates LINKs to sources. And therefore constitutes the fist independent reporting on thieve developments.
SHOUT OUT TO JOANNE!
https://redstate.com/beccalower/2023/07/22/imf-cancels-speech-by-nobel-prize-winner-in-physics-after-he-expressed-wrongthink-on-climate-change-n780425
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Dull dreich morning here: but Heh! (no hay again today) wind is producing over 1/2 our electricity ( truth be told that’s no very much @ only 21GW) and I am abetting demand by watching Sat TV featuring Wave power from ORKNEY. got me thinking: that HR & Casting departments PLAY a big part in the Eco industry. Pleasant to watch ladies and Smileys on diagrams and in Logos, Spokespeople tend to be non-white men ( in N Scotland ) – noted since a while, funny how the population demographics changes by Industry. How you can feel out of place at home.
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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid032WmsNnk2pritpKtRHkaniUpyUsrTxSpJJNPFpUeSs2aPAMKS4kS8brPNpPofLUqul&id=100009156009337
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FWIW
“ABC lifer Quentin Dempster flops out the race card.”
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/07/abc-lifer-quentin-dempster-flops-out-the-race-card.html
And then there is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumpster
Methinks one could get a word play going
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Good grief. And he is from the day when people think the ABC was ok. Long been a lefty institution.
If a government broadcaster can not be neutral, it MUST be disbanded.
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FWIW
“Aussie Climate Policy Fracture: States Push Back on Paying Carbon Offsets”
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/07/22/aussie-climate-policy-fracture-states-push-back-on-paying-carbon-offsets/
It is like
https://cafehayek.com/2014/03/then-a-miracle-occurs.html
without the maths either side
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The zoo needs to hire a new veterinarian
https://youtu.be/HAqTjeM7NcY?si=41OmCEmyj5QCgmJx
Honestly…how dumb would you have to be…
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Thing I really loathe about leftism is it actually affects young people’s lives. It appeals to their naivety, and actually effects them, by way of poor decisions from misguided morals, etc.
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Jo, you are mentioned favourably in Toby Young’s Daily Skeptic site. https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/23/cancellations-start-for-john-clauser-after-nobel-physics-laureate-speaks-out-about-corruption-of-climate-science/
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Rowan Dean on climate policies: ‘Net-zero chooks will come home to roost’
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Or, as the saying has it, –
“Nut-zero chooks will turn into emus and kick the chook house down”
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I am getting far more “sun vitamin” now, mid winter, than I do in summer.
Let’s face it, it’s too darn hot to go out and garden in summer but for weeks now it has been perfect in the yard and being 19 deg S there is still a lot of UV for much of the day. AND I am feeling better for it. Win, win.
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New feature of electric cars – self incineration?
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-66283019
Lydden Hill: Officials blame rallycross fire on car battery
“A fire that caused the World Rallycross Championships to be scrapped for two days started in the battery of an electric car, organisers have said.
Nine fire engines were called to Lydden Hill race track in Wootton, Kent, after reports of a major fire shortly before 09:00 BST on Friday.”
Just up on the BBC News site.
Happily, no-one hurt, it seems.
“The fire began in one of two cars belonging to Special One Racing, organisers said.”
https://special.one/en/special-one-racing/ if interested.
Auto, wondering if EVs are ready for prime-time [if you overcome range and charger-availability issues, and there is enough electric power to charge them when you want …].
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I would have though hillclimbs would be the sweet spot for EVs not Rallycross. Way too tough on everything from a physical pounding point of view
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Only specialist competition EVs can get around Nurburgring or up Pike’s Peak before going into limp home mode.
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Something different – thought that many may NOT agree with me: from https://www.facebook.com/SMBGame, the SOURCE of the Planet’s problems:
A young man asked his grandfather,
“Grandpa, how did you live in the past without technology . . .
without computers
without drones
without bitcoins
without Internet connection
without TVs
without air conditioners
without cars
without mobile phones?”
Grandpa answered:
“Just as your generation lives today . . .
no prayers,
no compassion,
no respect,
no GMRC,
no real education,
poor personality,
there is no human kindness,
there is no shame,
there is no modesty,
there is no honesty.
We, the people born between the years 1930-1980, were the blessed ones. Our lives are a living proof.”
¶ While playing and riding a bike, we have never worn a helmet.
¶ after school we did our homework ourselves and we always played in meadows until sunset
¶ We played with real friends, not virtual friends.
¶ If we were thirsty, we would drink frim the fountain, from the waterfalls, faucet water, not mineral water.
¶ We never worried and get sick even as we shared the same cup or plate with our friends.
¶ We never gained weight by eating bread and pasta every day.
¶ Nothing happened to our feet despite walking barefoot.
¶ We never used food supplements to stay healthy.
¶ We used to make our own toys and play with them.
¶ Our parents were not rich. They gave us love, not material gifts.
¶ We never had a cell phone, DVD, PSP, game console, Xbox, video games, PC, laptop, internet chat . . . but we had true friends.
¶ We visited our friends without being invited and shared and enjoyed the food with their family.
Parents lived nearby to take advantage of family time.
¶ We may have had black and white photos, but you can find colorful memories in these photos.
¶ We are a unique and the most understanding generation, because we are the last generation that listened to their parents.
And we are also the first ones who were forced to listen to their children.~
We are limited edition.
Take advantage of us. Learn from us. We are a treasure destined to disappear soon.
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I don’t buy lotto tickets. if queried I say I say I have already won one:
Born in Australia
too young for Korea, too old for ‘Nam
modern dentistry was dawning
chloroform and novocaine
the doctors finally learnt about bacteria
penicillin
sulphur drugs that cured my TB
I had a bike that allowed me to get around town
a 10 ft blunt-front punt that allowed me to row around the creek and river
there was no middle class welfare [I think that’s a good thing]
I could go on but you get the drift.
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This is unbelievable.
Leftists talk about all the reasons we shouldn’t ear meat, according to them.
https://youtu.be/hUSbK59EU68
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This is what I was looking for .
http://sun.stanford.edu/~tplarson/s41598-019-45584-3.pdf
The study anticipates a natural increase in temp. of 2.5 deg. C. by 2600.
Get that ?
2600 – 577 years away
That would get us back near the MWP , but not as warm as the Holocene Optimum (4000 years ago?)
For all practical purposes (weather forecasting on say a 3-6month or annual scale ) it doesn’t get us anywhere, even though the changes in position of the barycentre are continual.
Back to the sparrow entrails and eye of newt I guess.
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A powerful typhoon in the Philippine Sea is reaching the stratosphere. The temperature at the tops of the clouds drops to -80 C. At this altitude, the clouds radiate infrared into space.
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FWIW
“Interesting Report Noting Bud Light Regional Sales Pattern – California Sales Minimally Disrupted by Boycott, While National Sales Drop 34.2%
July 23, 2023 | Sundance | 94 Comments”
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/07/23/interesting-report-noting-bud-light-regional-sales-pattern-california-sales-minimally-disrupted-by-boycott-while-national-sales-drop-34-2/
Now, if they can only californicate the rest of US sales will be back on track?
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Just Stop Oil eco-zealots who have caused chaos for thousands get a taste of their own medicine after prankster group crashes their ‘100% plant based’ banquet and sets off ‘rape alarms’ attached to balloons
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FWIW – a reminder
“CDC Changed Definition Of Breakthrough COVID-19 After Emails About ‘Vaccine Failure’ ”
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-changed-definition-breakthrough-covid-19-after-emails-about-vaccine-failure
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FWIW
“The Dirty Old Man of Climate Science”
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2023/07/the-dirty-old-man-of-climate-science/
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Yes,, we remember that.
Thanks for the reminder. Ugly.
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And Now, The Climate Gang Is Coming For Our Thermostats
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Could Australia Vote to Abolish Itself?
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