By Jo Nova
Prime Minister Rishi Sunak
The seismic shift in UK politics that started with the Uxbridge byelection continues apace. It’s the dawning realization that anyone who tries to gift wrap Climate Pain at the election is a sitting duck if their opponents only oppose it. As fast as Rishi Sunak backtracks on Green sacred promises, the Labor Party is working out that their green flank is exposed to election winning missives.
Writers in both The Telegraph and The Financial Times in the UK are suggesting it’s “the end” — the political collapse of the open support for a reckless race to NetZero from both sides of politics. CNN reports that Rishi Sunak is “stoking a culture war on Green policies”. Hallalujuh. Since Uxbridge, “leading Conservatives have gleefully picked up the anti-green baton.” They’re taking a “populist approach to the climate”. Glory be! How dare they, in a democracy, do something that’s popular?
Thanks to NetZeroWatch
Tories aren’t just playing politics. The geopolitical ground is shifting beneath the eco fanatics’ feet
This could be the beginning of the end of net zero. Eight years ago, it burst into our lives, a rapturous crusade of ambitious legislation, geopolitical grandstanding and share-boosting green PR. Today, what so many have exalted as an era of rapid, momentous change looks set to go down as the biggest damp squib in Western history.
Even Tony Blair is telling the new Labor leader to back off and be sensible
His mentor, Tony Blair, has already turned up the pressure. In an interview last week, the former PM started to lay the groundwork for a net-zero row-back on the centre-Left, warning that the public should not be asked to do a “huge amount” on climate change when China is emitting so much. The intervention is unlikely to have gone down well in the Starmer camp. The current Labour leader seems to want to go down in history as the politician who delivered Britain to the net-zero promised land. He has long fancied himself as Britain’s answer to Franklin Roosevelt, delivering a shot in the arm to a zombie economy with a green jobs bonanza.
Jacobs argues that the War, the pandemic and the security threat from China have triggered the awakening:
But the real killer blow to net zero is the new Cold War with China. When Obama pushed for the Paris Agreement in 2015, the West still imagined that it could treat China as a diplomatic partner, balancing icy exchanges over trade with smiling solidarity on climate change. Today, though, Western elites are finally accepting that Beijing is a strategic enemy – and that the West would be taking an intolerable risk if it were to blindly plough ahead with net zero as China carries on with its pursuit of relentless growth. And from Washington to Westminster, it is at last dawning on politicians that Beijing has seized on net zero to gain a foothold in energy infrastructure, dominating the manufacture of everything from wind turbines to EV battery software.
But really, the anti-carbon delusion laid the foundations for its own demise. It’s too stupidly expensive to survive in the real world.
Janan Ganesh, The Financial Times
The beginning of the end of Britain’s net zero consensus
Let us dispose of the idea that net zero is popular…. Last month, a YouGov poll found that around 70 per cent of adults support net zero. If this entailed “some additional costs for ordinary people”, however, that share falls to just over a quarter. The wonder isn’t the political faltering of net zero. The wonder is that it took until Uxbridge.
Janan Ganesh dares to imagine a Tory leader pointing out the banal truth that the UK makes only 1% of global emissions, and will spend billions to achieve nothing.
And what will that cost achieve? Not a material dent in the climate problem, but the setting of a moral example, as though India and China set their watches by us. Liberals forever accuse us on the right of overrating Britain’s sway in the world. Well, look who is grandstanding now.”
Faced with this message, what does Labour do? Allow itself to contest election after election as the expensive but righteous party? It is beyond imagining. And so the net zero consensus will break down from both sides. …
It’s hard to believe, after skeptics have said this for years, that this would finally trip up the Labor Party — perhaps the difference is that — apart from Trump — few major political leaders in the West have dared to challenge the dogma and keep hammering until they score a win.
The Climate Wars are not ending yet though. If the open battle ends, as long as believers believe, the science is corrupted, and the Big Bankers meet for Skiing Trips in Davos, the climate battles will just go underground, or morph into a slightly different version of Grifter-Gravy. It has to be cut down at the source. End the UN. Break up the EU. Mock the WEF.
— UK Flag photo: Rian (Ree) Saunders
Picture of Rishi Sunak by Lauren Hurley / No 10 Downing Street
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None of this is accepting of the lack of effect of CO2.
These believers still believe.
As yet, not even this aspect has drifted to the colonies across the North Atlantic Ocean.
[Washington State was never a colony, but the government believes.]
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The entire CO2-as-world-heater scam has ONLY been about taking dough out of taxpayers pockets and depositing it in spivs’ pockets. Sometimes the spivs are politicians or politicians’ associates, and the rest of the time there are gifts and gratuities for the pollies / bureaucrats sending business the spivs’ way.
You could read….https://stopthesethings.com/2017/03/13/born-lucky-stars-align-perfectly-for-pms-son-with-mammoth-bet-on-wind-power-outfit-infigen/….if you haven’t already. Synopsis: Malcolm Turnbull’s son miraculously lands $400 Million on a climate change bet.
Or you could consider Sydney’s second airport…..and all the scams associated with it….being built just when, with nett zero, it “should” be redundant. But no:…and all the new roads and all the new cruise liners etc etc. It’s purely a pocket-lining episode :example: https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/29/no-evidence-of-criminal-conduct-in-30m-purchase-of-land-near-western-sydney-airport-afp-finds. Synopsis: “Federal police close investigation into the government buying Leppington Triangle for 10 times its market value…..No evidence of criminal conduct in $30m purchase of land near western Sydney airport, AFP finds.
So there!!
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I live in the Seattle area. I posted on nextdoor about Inslee’s carbon tax, a $0.50/gal has tax, not doing diddley-squat about co2 levels as long as China is building 2 coal-fired plants weekly. The state is pulling $3.5 million a day out of our pockets. I said WA could go dark and it wouldn’t make a difference. After almost 2,000 views, it got pulled because some Karen said it not a local issue.
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For these non-thinkers it’s a case of: believing is seeing.
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Electionspeak so far.
He’s said some good words but to date he has done nothing, zilch, nothing has changed.
Let’s wait and see if there is any substance behind the PR.
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I will await an announcement from Sushi that fracking will go ahead at full speed and that a new super-critical coal power station will be built.
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And let’s not forget illegal immigration.
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Let’s hope that doesn’t end up like Brexit. Official policy, but in practice not so much.
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That’s the key isn’t it?
In Australia all factions of the Lib/Lab/Green Uniparty are in lockstep with only minor doctrinal differences. For example, Dutton supports nuclear, knowing full well that it would never really happen in practice. (It took 50 years to decide on a second Sydney airport, how much longer for a reactor?) Meanwhile Dutton supports unreliables just like the rest of the Uniparty.
And don’t forget it was pretend conservative John Howard that first started the rot by allowing non-dispatchable generators to pollute the grid. In 2001 Howard established the RET (Renewable Energy Target) which set Australia on the road to economic destruction.
For whatever reason, all factions of the Uniparty are terrified (or too ignorant and stupid) to question the Official Narrative on Anthropogenic Global Warming. Look what happened to the only one who did, Tony Abbott, a member of the Liberal Uniparty faction.
The only answer is to support conservative-oriented small parties such as:
-United Australia Party
-Liberal Democrats
-One Nation
Video: Lord Monckton explains what happened to Tony Abbott- before it happened. Abbott was required to be removed before Dec 2015 when the final wording of the Paris Agreement was agreed to at COP21 (to be signed starting from April 2016, Australia ratified it 10th November 2016) and he was removed in September 2015, exactly as Lord Monckton warned.
https://youtu.be/NG0WcjGHkEw
3.5 mins
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David
A friend of mine spoke with Peter Dutton earlier this year, and privately Dutton does not believe in the “CO2 is the temperature knob” theory. And many others in the Coalition are likewise.
But the LNP is doomed while ever it refuses to come out publicly and state what we all know here, that there is no climate emergency and CO2 is no issue.
When the bus goes over the cliff, which it will if we continue, then the public will only remember Scott Morrison foolishly locking in Net Zero, and Duttons complete silence on its idiocy. Dutton believes, and told my friend this, that the LNP only has to wait for Labour to completely stuff it up, and the LNP will then gain govt.
But if the LNP is the same as Labour, which many now see, why vote for them??? The same stupidity prevails with David Crisafulli, the LNP Opposition Leader in QLD. He is trying to outdo the Labour party on mining taxes and was stronger than our Premier on calling for mass vaxxing of the poisonous covid shots.
Only the minor parties, particularly One Nation, offer any hope.
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Prophet,
Not withstanding what Dutton and his droogs may say in private, it absolutely doesn’t count unless he and they come out in public and say the there is no anthropogenic global warming, they don’t support renewables and will return to coal, gas and start nuclear as economically appropriate.
But just to show that the Liberals truly are a faction of the Uniparty, consider this.
The Liberal faction of the Uniparty are in almost their worst position ever and each election puts them in an even worse position. I have been told by a Canberra insider that they even look set to lose the one place where they remain in power, Van Diemen’s Land.
If they had any leadership, and/or belief in the scientific facts and/or commitment to the morally righteous thing to do, they would come out with a vote winning strategy and proclaim the lies of AGW and the economic destruction it’s causing.
They have absolutely nothing to lose because their present position is almost as bad as it could possibly be.
The fact that they won’t demonstrates their commitment to their UN and WEF masters.
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Droogs? That is an image! Malcolm McDowell playing Peter Dutton in a “Clockwork Orange” green war.
So very true, the real battle lies within! The frank and fearless adviser who are the underground army of the UN and WEF must be routed root and branch out of every public service department from local government right up to the feds.
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Sadly, one of the problems with talking to politicians, is , they are politicians. Talk to them directly, face to face, and be surprised that they agree with you on every point you raised. Then send in the opposing complainant , surprise surprise, they agree with every point the opposition make.
Comes back to that old idiom “ how do you know when a politician is lying? When their lips are moving”
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Yes, no matter who you vote for, you will end up with a politician in charge.
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The public wont remember jack about nett zero. They will just want whoever is in power to “fix it” , today preferably.
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Absolutely correct.
Yet we still have defenders of the Libs parrotting on about how the Libs are better than Labor.
What utter rubbish.
They also say “why waste your vote on a minor party”? Simple…It’s about the message. We are conservatives at heart so ehy would we vote for labor lite when we could vote for the real thing? Sooner or later they will get the message. Whether they get the message too late is up to them.
Think of the Bud Light boycott. The company decided to ignore its loyal fans and embark on a new moral crusade whilst insulting its customer base. Many thought the boycott would fizzle after a couple of weeks, but no it gained momentum. If the Libs won’t listen to their base, then the base will eventually find those minor consevative parties. The sooner that happens, the better.
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In Australia we have preferencial voting, therefore if you put some minor parties in the top positions, and the major parties further down the list, then if none of those minor parties do well, your vote still counts at full strength when it hits the first major party on your list.
You can “send a message” at zero cost … it is not some great personal sacrifice … that’s by design.
The biggest problem with our preferencial system is that it’s darn difficult to explain to anyone how it works … especially when so many people get their news from the USA or UK with different systems in use.
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Agreed.
The only real win is that the major party that eventually gets my vote does not get the $3 approximately that they would normally receive if they were number 1 on my ballot paper.
A small win but hey…I don’t think the current clowns in the Liberal party deserve $3.
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The Uniparty will push it’s head deeper into the sand, leaving its backside very vulnerable!
So far, how many governments have kissed their backsides goodbye over “ climate change “?
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In postings above I was pleased to note the correct usage of the pronoun “its” versus the abbreviation for it is, being “it’s.”
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OmG a reverse grammar nazi, well played
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Why did it take so long to get to this obvious conclusion?
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Does Peter Dutton have what it takes- has he the courage to drive the wooden stake into the climate vampire’s heart?
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No.
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Not at the moment.
Too many Leftist in control, centre right are too gutless to call them out within the party, afraid to be diss-endorsed by the leftist that control the purse strings.
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What Dutton doesn’t understand is that, to the electorate ( the ones that can think for themselves) interpret SILENCE over any policies, or policies put forward EQUATE TO ACCEPTANCE !! It’s simple really. Not difficult to remember. SILENCE = TACIT ACCEPTANCE.
There’s been far too much SILENCE from the opposition particularly in connection with energy policies. This is what has led to the Uniparty label. We all know how difficult it is to get rid of “ labels “, and this is all leading to distrust. The Uniparty will flounder in the backwaters unless they step up to the job of opposition.
Last night I saw Rita Panahy interviewing an LNP spokesman, he answered her question of what the opposition was doing about energy policy in general. As usual she got the answer that we’ll have to wait & see “ ‘ cause they’re working on it.
Must be the same as Albo’s Voice detail which we’ll have to wait for. UNIPARTY!!!
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IIRC,
Just as applicable now as it was then.
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The uniparty spells the end of democracy, Beijing will be amused.
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You reall think the bulk of people living their daily lives even think about policies on these issues?
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There are too many who have made and continue to make huge profits off climate change idiocy to give up easily or quickly. Dropping subsidies on renewables would stop further expansion over night. Removal of the RET would allow a fairer playing field for the remaining coal plants. Voting out politicians who persist in making our lives miserable would be the most effective. The latter means having some politicians who have the courage to call out the madness. There are some but they are not on the front bench.
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Lawrie,
The key is finding them in a sea of mass indoctrinated Uni graduates who have been sucking on the climate cool aid nipple since primary school! They are deliberately not taught to think or question instead they are trained to nod their head and do as they are told!! It took 50 odd years to infest the education system to lean left it would take another 50 years to change that significantly and I can’t see our public “servants” having any interest in changing a status quo they have worked so hard to create!!
Unless Dutton finds the balls to stand up and openly challenge the climate clowns forcing them to debate the CO2 reality with conviction and commitment, then nothing will happen. Alas that would take a well laid out plan and an opposition party brave enough to execute it! Neither of which is currently evident in Australian politics!
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Well said Lawrie.
The mess we’re in didn’t happen overnight.
First the Marxists has to dumb-down the education system.
Then they had to infiltrate all institutions with the dumbed-down products thereof.
It was a plan conceived by the German Communist, Rudi Dutschke in 1967, der lange Marsch durch die Institutionen, The Long March Through the Institutions.
It obviously worked.
Interestingly the Chinese-owned TikTok intended for the West has content which is mostly inane, ridiculous, idiotic, depraved and LGBTXYZ and mostly utterly lacking in any worthwhile redeeming content. TikTok is actually banned in China. Instead they have a version Douyin, which has a lot of science, technology and other educational content, skills, China’s history and achievements and other worthy material and zero tolerance for the depraved and inane.
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As author Sarah Hoyt put it:
“….Marxism is malware for the human mind/spirit. It takes everything that works and breaks it, and tries to install programs that not only don’t work, but lead to mass death/starvation and even more massive unhappiness. It’s so perfect for that, that one is tempted to think it’s supernatural. And maybe it is, for all I know. But it doesn’t need to be, as it — like all good malware — clicks seamlessly with the pre-installed system.”
( https://accordingtohoyt.com/2023/08/01/that-water-is-not-the-fountain-of-youth/ )
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Even Andrew Bolt stated on TV last night that he believed CO2 was the (main ?) cause of the 1 deg of warming. Did I hear correctly?
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David Andrew Bolt said that the world had warmed, but most of it was beneficial and he wasn’t sure how much was due to Human co2 emissions.
See my link to him and prof Plimer last night.
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Neville is correct. Bolt said that he accepted that CO2 may have some affect on temperature but he had no idea how much, and added that a little extra warmth and CO2 was good for the world. He may not have used those exact words, but that was the jist.
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A Scottish Professor has become the head of the IPCC and he seems to be sniffing the wind as well.
Jim Skea is a Physicist and has been with the IPCC for years, but he has now warned that the public doesn’t react well to the lies and distortions and it’s not the end of the world if the global temp exceeds 1.5 C.
I think he’s taking his lead from Tony Blair and last night Andrew Bolt and Prof Ian Plimer were very pleased with Skea’s latest statement.
But the voters have to change their votes and LEARN/ UNDERSTAND that we’re now living in a period of RECORD HUMAN FLOURISHING since 1950. IOW the voters have to WAKE UP and rely on proper DATA and evidence.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/31/climate-doommongers-do-more-harm-than-good-says-un-chief/
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Here’s Andrew Bolt talking to Prof Plimer last night at about 20 minutes 40 secs on Skea’s new IPCC Chair appointment.
BTW I knew that former IPCC chief Pachauri was a pervert, but was he also another type of star?
https://www.skynews.com.au/listen/the-bolt-report-podcast
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Expecting a media blackout very soon on Skea and also that latest Nobel prize winner who is a climate realist.
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https://co2coalition.org/publications/nobel-laureate-john-clauser-elected-to-co2-coalition-board-of-directors/
Dr John Clauser, 2022 Nobel Prize in Physics.
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John Clauser, (thx DM , was too lazy to go back to Jo’s article). Otherwise known as the “ cloud” man. Which is a valid theory proposed by other climate physicists. In fact I’ve seen research showing the warm period of 1980 to early 2000’s could be simply attributable to lower cloud cover. There’s very comprehensive satellite data recording cloud cover for decades now.
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Water vapour (clouds) is the major ‘greenhouse gas’, fact.
A recent comment referred to the recent Tonga volcano eruption and the amount of water vapour ejected into the atmosphere by this single event. NASA reports that this could cause increased warming for the next several years.
Nothing to do with the 0.04% CO2.
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Is there a scoreboard somewhere that shows each country’s CO2 emissions and their “promises”?
I found this at Our World in Data.
It provides historical data, but no projections of “net zero” commitments.
“The US and Europe now account for just under one-third of emissions.”
Here are some reports from the UN and the WEF.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2019/07/the-growing-list-of-countries-committing-to-a-net-zero-carbon-emissions-goal/
https://www.un.org/en/climatechange/net-zero-coalition
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Mock the WEF?
Ok.
https://cdn.unitycms.io/images/FjZ2x_klqHxAz81PocMGOZ.jpg?op=ocroped&val=1200,1200,1000,1000,0,0&sum=E9DgTTvTCqg
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Here is Herr Kommandant Klaus Schwab all dressed up in his costume ready for the Transhumanism party.
https://imgflip.com/i/69rnbs
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Very Mr Spock styling
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Not withstanding what Dutton and his droogs may say in private, it absolutely doesn’t count unless he and they come out in public and say the there is no anthropogenic global warming, they don’t support renewables and will return to coal, gas and start nuclear as economically appropriate.
But just to show that the Liberals truly are a faction of the Uniparty, consider this.
The Liberal faction of the Uniparty are in their worst position ever and each election puts them in an even worse position. I have been told by a Canberra insider that they even look set to lose the one place where they remain in power, Van Diemen’s Land.
If they had any leadership, and/or belief in the scientific facts and/or commitment to the morally righteous thing to do, they would come out with a vote winning strategy and proclaim the lies of AGW and the economic destruction it’s causing.
They have absolutely nothing to lose because their present position is almost as bad as it could possibly be.
The fact that they won’t demonstrates their commitment to their UN and WEF masters.
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“Starmer, the current Labour leader, fancied himself as Britain’s answer to Franklin Roosevelt, delivering a shot in the arm to a zombie economy with a green jobs bonanza”
He needs to check his history, as well as his Green ideas. The New Deal policies of the Roosevelt administration brought some economic relief as well as vastly increasing the scope of the federal government’s activities (more jobs for public servants). The New Deal had little direct expansionary effect on the economy, By 1941 real GDP in the United States had recovered to within about 10 percent of its long-run trend path.
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Let’s bombard the LNP with links to this column. Otherwise, the Zealots (AKA Zeal harlots) will unseat more of the Liberal machine! Did anyone else notice that the UN has graciously given The Great Barrier Reef a 12-month reprise from delisting its protected status based on the Labor Party installing Zero Carbon regulations by 2035 instead of 2050? Another review (blackmail) will occur just prior to our next Federal Election.
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Australia should evaluate the benefits to the World that the United Bloody Nations provides.
If only 10% of current un activity is useful, then the other 90% of our contributions must be stopped immediately.
And, get Julie Bishop to deliver that good news to her alma mater.
Australians should not be slaves for unelected, domineering hippocrits and spongers.
Free Australia!
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The UN’s job description/charter is to do one thing, prevent wars. More wars have been fought since the founding of the UN than all the previous years combined.
But they have spent 75 years saying this is what they do, and 75 years doing the opposite.
We believe what they say and watch them do the opposite.
We listen to the grifters, while we let them steal our wealth. We vote on what they say and ignore what they do.
We call them the Uniparty, then we think we can split them at the polls, we hope things will be different and we always get the same.
We then chant 4 more years, knowing full well we will again vote for the same.
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Those U.N. ‘peacekeepers’ in their nice powder blue helmets, driving their shiny, unblemished white personnel carriers have been conspicuously absent from war zones in recent years. Too busy fighting the climate, I suppose.
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I know they are still in the CAR, Haiti, rapping and pillaging their way to peace.
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huh?
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Slight exaggeration, but if you forget Libya, Congo, Yemen, the Afghan war was fought by Russia first etc. etc. you get https://www.britannica.com/topic/list-of-wars-2031197
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Yap yap woof grrr woof arf arf arf howllll
Translation: Chi Chi says ” try DuckDuckGo” 😁
https://unacov.uk/wars-since-un-was-founded/
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>”The UN’s job description/charter is to do one thing”
Which the incumbents understand to be as much mission-creep, power grab, rort, and wealth re-distribution as can be possibly extracted.
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Penguinite, I could hardly believe my ears when Albanese and then Plibersook actually claimed that THEIR responsible green policies had averted the Reef going onto the list. The sheer hypocrisy is breathtaking !!!
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A reminder that Starmer, when head of the Crown Prosecution Service, protected the predophile Jimmy Saville, presumably because Jimmy was both a close friend of Margaret Thatcher, was a celebrity and also aided other politicians to get their rocks off with little girls and boys. In summary, Starmer was prepared to sacrifice a few more kids to the Jimmy Saville / BBC / Parliament meat grinder to protect his boss from scandal. Did it harm his career? Of course not, his use of apparent incompetence to hide his criminality was in service to his boss, so he now has an even more senior boss, the people who run the UK government. Starmer is a man of zero moral fibre, he will do what his boss tells him to regardless of morality or principles, this is not a leader, he is a kiss ass employee of the CEO variety.
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Sir Jimmy Saville please, very close friends with Charley, Andrew and Elisabeth.
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A reminder that Starmer as head of the Crown Prosecution Service was directly responsible for Julian Assange’s predicament.
Starmer is a self confessed zionist with direct and longstanding links with MI6 and the CIA. An asset.
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The Net Zero popularity variance will be the same as with BREXIT. Within the London bubble NZ will be highly popular and then as you go out ( particularly North) into the counties the popularity will drop away. So similar to Brexit ( except the opposite, if that makes sense). Within the London bubble BREXIT was not popular because of the opposition by the elites. Then as you went out beyond the London bubble amongst the hoi polloi, the great unwashed, BREXIT was much more popular.
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AGAIN here’s the Human co2 emissions from all countries from 1850 to 2021. The developing countries or NON OECD emissions have SOARED since 1988 and the wealthy OECD co2 emissions have increased slightly since 1988.
hhttps://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?country=Non-OECD+%28GCP%29~OECD+%28GCP%29
Now here’s the same data but showing the RELATIVE change over that time. And the bottom horizontal line is the OECD countries’ RELATIVE change over time.
Just hold your mouse on any date to read the info.
BTW only International air travel and shipping are missing from the total emissions. That’s about 1 billion tons extra to the above combined 36 bn tons in 2021.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?stackMode=relative&facet=none&country=Non-OECD+%28GCP%29~OECD+%28GCP%29
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Sorry I’ll try that first OWI Data link again.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-co2-emissions-per-country?facet=none&country=Non-OECD+%28GCP%29~OECD+%28GCP%29
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“Hallalujuh. Since Uxbridge, “leading Conservatives have gleefully picked up the anti-green baton.” They’re taking a “populist approach to the climate”. Glory be! How dare they, in a democracy, do something that’s popular?”
Hallelujah!………Jo, you need a ‘spellchecka’…….lol
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Who said it’s popular, the Media, the Politicians, you.
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It’s one of those annoying irregular nouns:
* I am just naturally popular.
* We are a fine democratic nation.
* That guy over there is a grubby populist.
The point is not so much about who is winning the popularity game this week … the point is that many of the players pretend not to be interested and try to trick their competitors into giving up.
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When I read this link yesterday I knew that the net zero game in the UK was about to crash…
Sunak.. ‘hopes to extract as much oil and gas from the North Sea as possible’
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/jul/31/rishi-sunak-approval-100-new-north-sea-oil-and-gas-licences-fossil-fuel-climate-crisis
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I often wonder how fundamentalist the new climate religion is and recently I got an example.
I told a young person that Humans had only flourished for about 0.1% ( since 1950) of our time on Earth ( 200 K years) and he told me I was a liar.
I explained about the data from 1950 and referred to all the accurate data from Rosling, Eschenbach, Co2 Coalition Scientists, Koonin, Shellenberger, Epstein, Lomborg etc, but he was still very upset.
I don’t know what’s wrong with these fools, but sometimes you just have to walk away and leave them to their favourite religious cult.
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The book by Scottish journalist Charles Mackay, first published in 1841 under the title Memoirs of Extraordinary Popular Delusions.
His much quoted phrase, and one that is apposite to you acquaintance, is “Men, it has been well said, think in herds: It will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one”.
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Good quote Graeme No 3 and I think the Bolter has used that quote over the last 20 + years.
But unfortunately going barking MAD in herds happens very fast and recovering their senses one by one is a very slow process.
And all very frustrating for conservatives to say the least.
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Don’t get your hopes up.
How many governments have been elected opposing net zero only to fall into line with the WEF directives immediately afterwards? Boris Johnson is just one. Scott Morrison? Even Tony Abbott caved in to the Paris Agreement …
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In defence of King Tony, it was Turdbull and Bow Wow Bishop who signed us up for Paris, but first they detoured through NY and signed us up for Agenda 2030.
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Net Zero, a globalist test,
To cripple and shut down the West,
With China ignored,
As their industry soared,
With emissions to feather their nest.
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Forgive me for my lack of optimism. I got my hopes up when Climategate happened, but since found that the Green blob is hard to kill.
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They have no shame the climate alarmists. It’s a religion and so they all think it’s some sort of escapade. The masses have to be converted !!! You have to stop driving your 4WD , otherwise the earth will boil!!! Ahhhhh!
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Didn’t it boil away last week?
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You wonder why the global crash and burn is now guaranteed?
It’s because the critical mass of awareness by the public hasn’t been reached.
They will still donkey vote for their legacy favourite political party, totally unaware of the big picture, totally unaware of their party’s corruption and incompetence, WEF ties, and plans for a digital gulag rapidly approaching completion.
The current political parties are obsolete and irrelevant to the modern world and there’s nothing and no-one standing as a functional viable alternative that people would flock to.
With my deadline of 2028 (a date which people have no doubt seen mysteriously appear more and more of late), just 5 years away nothing will be able to be changed in time to prevent the inevitable.
So grab your popcorn, sit back and watch the show.
Victoria – you’re first to go. You’ll be the equivalent of NYC, a hub of corrupt sociopathic stupidity guaranteeing your own demise. Mask up, Victorians and go “baa baa baa”.
You voted for him. You got him. You had your chance.
After Victoria “does a France” the lights will go on in people’s heads, but too late then, as all other states follow them into the abyss.
Go ahead, print this out and pin it up on the wall and we’ll see who’s right. 😎
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God I hate that stupid you voted for him argument. Australia “deserves” Albanese because a third of people actually wanted him I suppose. Of course 100% of Vics voted for Andrews, so they all deserve it. Yep, sure, thats how it works.
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AGAIN if we slammed on the HUMAN co2 emissions brakes TODAY how long would it take to start to reduce co2 LEVELs in the atmosphere? Well the hysterical Scientists tell us it would take THOUSANDs of years, BUT Albo said yesterday that his Labor govt had already saved the GBR? DUH?
Of course the Royal Society also agrees we wouldn’t see a change in co2 levels for THOUSANDs of years, even if ALL COUNTRIES stopped emitting today. What I’m sure of is we’re never going to make any difference anyway. We shouldn’t listen to the Global warming fanatics and just build more BASE-LOAD Coal, Gas or Nuclear power stns ASAP.
Here’s their quote and the link.
https://theconversation.com/if-we-stopped-emitting-greenhouse-gases-right-now-would-we-stop-climate-change-78882
“Slam on the climate brakes”
“What would happen to the climate if we were to stop emitting carbon dioxide today, right now? Would we return to the climate of our elders”?
“The simple answer is no. Once we release the carbon dioxide stored in the fossil fuels we burn, it accumulates in and moves among the atmosphere, the oceans, the land and the plants and animals of the biosphere. The released carbon dioxide will remain in the atmosphere for thousands of years. Only after many millennia will it return to rocks, for example, through the formation of calcium carbonate – limestone – as marine organisms’ shells settle to the bottom of the ocean. But on time spans relevant to humans, once released the carbon dioxide is in our environment essentially forever. It does not go away, unless we, ourselves, remove it”.
In order to stop the accumulation of heat, we would have to eliminate not just carbon dioxide emissions, but all greenhouse gases, such as methane and nitrous oxide. We’d also need to reverse deforestation and other land uses that affect the Earth’s energy balance (the difference between incoming energy from the sun and what’s returned to space). We would have to radically change our agriculture. If we did this, it would eliminate additional planetary warming, and limit the rise of air temperature. Such a cessation of warming is not possible”.
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The number ONE Scientific group of UK scientists also agrees that we’ll need thousands of years to return us to the LIA, even if we turned off the co2 emissions tap TODAY.
But most of us wouldn’t want to return to the LIA climate anyway, although a few of our silly blog donkeys would relish the thought.
Here’s the Royal Society’s question 20 and their answer.
https://royalsociety.org/topics-policy/projects/climate-change-evidence-causes/question-20/
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London has started issuing huge automated fines for small speeding offences. Sunak is WEF head to toe.
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each of those statements might be valid, but they bear no relation to each other.
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So what would happen if we asked the fanatical Scientists to take the Co2 Coalition’s climate QUIZ?
Would they need the 2022 Nobel Physicist Dr John Clauser to hold their hands?
And would they get any of the 33 questions correct If they were honest about their claims and their beliefs?
https://co2coalition.org/climate-quiz/
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First time I have seen that, keeps it simple, a good one to pass to the Climate happy clappers.
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Ice Ages are not just “cold” times, but MONUMENTALLY DRY times
Reduce the temperatures; reduce the evaporation. Reduce the evaporation; reduce the precipitation.
Huge and accelerating decline in plant growth; the demises o herbivores who could not make the ‘tropical getaway.
It gets “more interesting: As more land is covered by creeping ice-sheets, kilometres thick, more and more sunlight is reflected straight back intro space; remember the lack of atmospheric moisture (clouds)?
The Kold Kultists are DEATH WISH loonies.
Regarding the latest Reef, er, madness: MOST corals flourish in warm water: SHALLOW, warm water. If the oceans were to “recede” as a result of “snowball earth”, say goodbye to EVERY cuddly coral reef on the planet.
Typical “onset time’ for an Ice Age”? Less than a century. Typical “recovery” time? In excess of a thousand years. It could be less, if the planet cops enough mega-bolides, smashing into the ice-sheets and remnant oceans at 40 thousand Km/H.
Good Luck!
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See also:
https://startingstrength.com/resources/forum/mark-rippetoe-q-and-a/96362-commentary-6-global-warming.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPv0kaFsx3M
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Interesting to really understand the GDP per capita of some countries since 1950, although we’ve added another 5.5+ billion people since that time.
Ireland is the real surprise and have used their EU membership to full advantage.
Of course Aussies are doing well because of our mining resources and yet the socialists and Greens would close down all coal , gas, iron ore, uranium etc tomorrow if they had the chance.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-penn-world-table?tab=chart&country=DEU~USA~CHN~GBR~JPN~IND~FRA~KOR~AUS~CAN~IRL
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Amazing to look at global GDP increase since 1800 and the rise is almost VERTICAL since 1820.
But the elites, Greens, Labor, WEF etc hate this and would stop this tomorrow and most of us would quickly suffer the consequences.
But not the most important people of course, just the great unwashed and their families.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-gdp-over-the-last-two-millennia?stackMode=relative
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BTW that was the relative increase of GDP as a percentage.
Here’s the same DATA graph as measured in Trillions of dollars and with the same very steep rise.
But can anyone notice their terrible Climate Crisis or Emergency or EXISTENTIAL threat for Humans in any of the OWI DATA graph over the last 200 years or 100 years or 50 years?
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/world-gdp-over-the-last-two-millennia
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Geologists have worked out CO2 levels through the ages. It was FOURTEEN times higher in the Cambrian era!
It fell over 75% in the Carboniferous era for an interesting reason. Trees invented a new material : lignin. It took over 60 million years for nature [fungi] to come up with ways to recycle it. Trees grew and died but did not rot and ended up forming coal deposits. At the end of the Carboniferous CO2 was only about twice what it is today, about 800 ppm.
At the moment we have the lowest amount of CO2 EVER. Plants grown in an atmosphere of 800 ppm CO2 are HUGE. If CO2 levels doubled there would be much more vegetation, more food, more life.
Doubling CO2 would literally mean the greening of the Earth. CO2 is beneficial and should not be regarded as some kind of enemy!
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🙂 🙂
I want to be biggah.
Gimme more.
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The earth is a closed system. There is as much CO2 on the planet today as there has ever been.
The difference with today and the past is the ratio of how much of the total CO2 is in the atmosphere rather than in the ground.
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Not so. The closed system argument may apply to the elements but not to molecules such as CO2. CO2 is used by nature to form limestone and in the complex of substances comprising vegetation.
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So, isn’ it the case that, for example, when you make cement with limestone CO2 is emitted ? And, when vegetation rots or is burnt it gives off CO2 ?
Just asking …
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Examples are correct. While elements carbon and oxygen are rarely destroyed, it takes a nuclear level action, but CO2 breaks down into its elements, and is formed from carbon and oxygen, under various chemical reactions.
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“the Labor Party is working out that their green flank is exposed to election winning missives.” “Even Tony Blair is telling the new Labor leader to back off and be sensible”
If you are referring to the British party, it’s the Labour Party.
With the u.
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Rishi Sunak makes a good point to defend his decision to drill for more home grown oil and gas, in that it will save on shipping emissions as the UK will otherwise need to import these energy sources for decades to come. For those of us down under, thousands of km from the middle east, we have an even bigger case to use the very same argument against the green zealots and get busy drilling for oil in the Bight
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I do hope that you are right that it is going to finally end but there have been so many false starts. I remember distinctly thinking that climate gate was the end, then I thought Trumps success , followed by Johnson, Brexit and Morrison winning the climate election. Then I thought planet of the apes would be a major influence but the climate alarmist hierarchy is very powerful assisted by a compliant media and academia.
I do think there is a major renewables rethink with nuclear gaining popularity with green groups.
Nuclear I still consider as a compromise but if going back to coal is too difficult at least nuclear won’t bankrupt the country as well as destabilising the grid.
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“Ministers have been dishonest about massive bill for net zero.”
“I think it’s a cross-party disease, it’s a political class disease.”
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/23293986/philip-hammond-ministers-dishonest-huge-bill-net-zero/
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