Only two weeks ago a team of archeologists discovered an arrow made from a shell had survived 3,300 years in the ice in Norway. As the glaciers melt, the team has found some 4,000 items of clothes and hunting gear. Things that must have been precious to someone at the time — like hand-made leather bridles and Viking age knives — peeling away layers of history.
The director of the archeology team, Lars Holger Pilø, is very excited about finding a treasure trove of Early Bronze Age relics (as you would be). But he laments the cause — “the reason they are melting out is sad,” — he exclaims. The ice melt will lead to drastic changes in Norway’s landscape, he says, without seeming to notice he’s talking about warming the world back to what it was. Oh, the horror of a warmer climate that humans thrived in for thousands of years.
Today, some youngsters glue themselves to a road at the thought of another half a degree temperature rise, but imagine having to kill dinner with a shell strapped to a stick?
A 3,300 year old arrow made out of freshwater pearl mussel. | Secrets of the Ice.
If only we could ask the last owner if they’d rather our current colder climate?
Melting Glacial Ice in Norway Reveals Intact Bronze-Age Arrow
Maya Pontone, HyperAllergic
Archaeologists trekking through the Jotunheimen Mountains in Norway’s Innlandet County came across a remarkable find — an intact shell arrow dating back to the Early Bronze Age. Fastened with an arrowhead made of freshwater pearl mussel, the well-preserved hunting tool dates back 3,600 years and is one of eight shell arrows that have emerged from melting ice in Norway in recent years.
“The glaciers and ice patches are retreating and releasing artifacts that have been frozen in time by the ice,” Lars Holger Pilø, co-director of the archaeology program, told Hyperallergic.
It’s quaint the way they have to turn it into an ad for climate change, even though everything about this project screams “climate change is natural”
As global warming transforms Norway’s mountainous landscape, Finstad, Pilø and their fellow glacier archaeologists are rushing to collect the exposed artifacts, which continue to get older as the ice continues to melt.
There’s more photos at Secrets of the Ice. Archaeology is very cool, it’s just a shame when they have to talk about the climate religion.
Remember, none of the models can really explain why the Holocene was warmer than today, because CO2 was lower. It’s called “The Holocene temperature conundrum”.
Arrow heads shaped from shells by the sea,
Tied to shafts made of wood from a tree,
In the Bronze Age long ago,
When ‘carbon’ content was low,
And Norway’s green shores were ice free.
–Ruairi
h/t NetZeroWatch
It is indeed strange, and as yet unexplained, although there is some who think that there is a bias in the models, but even that is not enough to fully explain the shift in temps to 1-2 deg C.
However, the current rise in temperature is way more rapid than any of the reconstructions show for the Holocene
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Great – except it does not coincide with the holocene warming as shown in my links
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Peter Fitzroy >”the current rise in temperature is way more rapid than any of the reconstructions show for the Holocene”
What was the “current rise” measured with?
Ans: Fast response thermometers.
What was the “Holocene” measured with?
Ans: Ultra-slow response proxies.
But you knew that from yesterday.
Also explains “Mikes Nature trick to hide the decline”.
Mann needed to splice in high frequency data at the end of his series to hide the fact that his low frequency proxies were not showing a “rapid rise” – actually going the other way.
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You have missed the Urban Heat Island Effect and measurements made at airports that used to be grass fields with propeller driven aeroplanes.
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‘The EHSLR spans Meltwater pulses 1B and 1C, between 12,000 and 7,000 years ago:
Meltwater pulse 1B between c. 11.4–11.1 ka, a 7.5 m (25 ft) rise over about 160 years centered at 11.1 ka, which includes the end of Younger Dryas interval of reduced sea level rise at about 6.0–9.9 mm (0.2–0.4 in)/yr;
Meltwater pulse 1C between c. 8.2–7.6 ka, centered at 8.0 ka, a rise of 6.5 m (21 ft) in less than 140 years.[4][5][6]’.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Holocene_sea_level_rise
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In the 8,200 year event the temperature went up 3.7℃ in 356 years
In the next warming it went up 2.3℃ in 326 years
In the Minoan warming the temperature went up 1.85℃ in 356 years
In the Medieval warming the temperature went up 1.80℃ in 170 years
It is said that it has gone up 1.8℃ in 170 years since 1850 – so what?
And the first four rises didn’t involved CO2 and all four of them were warmer that currently.
Our Global Boiling Summer Was As Hot As 1857!
SEPTEMBER 4, 2023
June has been confirmed as the hottest on record for the UK.
A rapid study by Met Office scientists found the chance of observing a June beating the previous record of 14.9°C, like we have this year, has at least doubled since the period around 1940. The previous record of 14.9°C was recorded in 1940 and 1976.
And according to CET, June 1846 was more than a degree hotter. It was also hotter in 1676, 1822 and 1826.
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So Peter is no longer afraid of the 1-2 degree increase, it’s just that it’s changing too fast for him. Lord knows how he manages the change from winter to summer?
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… or night to day.
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That’s a bit pointed 🙂
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If the temperature rises rapidly due to CO2 rising, then you would think it would respond to a decrease in CO2 as in the GFC and during COVID. But of course it doesn’t !
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There was a mini ice age from 3,800 to 3,200 years before present.
On the second point, this sharp rise in temperature is due to a greenhouse gas in the stratosphere.
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El Gordo,
CO2 follows temperature – not the other way round . Temp rise is not outside normal parameters . If you want to worry about that that’s fine . It’s not an existential threat – having idiots and liars in charge will kill you .
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I was referring to water vapour in the stratosphere, after the Hunga Tonga-Hunga eruption, CO2 in the troposphere has no part to play.
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Except that we don’t live in a greenhouse. Unless I missed the dome bit at the top.
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Technically true, however its best to talk in their language.
‘Tonga eruption may temporarily push earth closer to 1.5°C of warming. The underwater eruption of Hunga Tonga–Hunga Ha’apai sent megatons of water vapor into the stratosphere, contributing to an increase in global warming over the next 5 years.’ (EOS)
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John Kerry thinks so. It is a blanket on top of the atmosphere and getting thicker. That’s how he explains it and I think most of the public believe this picture. The first U.S. Special Presidential Envoy for Climate must know, right?
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No it’s not. Greenhouse gases in the stratosphere cause global cooling!
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Doubtful, but the experts reckon the CO2 in the troposphere is cooling the stratosphere.
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el gordo, unless there is a link, it is just a baseless assertion
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Yes sir, there is no doubt the stratosphere is cooling.
‘There are several reasons why the stratosphere is cooling. The two best understood are: 1) depletion of stratospheric ozone 2) increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide. The first effect is easy to understand. Less ozone leads to less absorption of ultra- violet radiation from the Sun.’ (Harvard University)
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“but even that is not enough to fully explain the shift in temps to 1-2 deg C.” Ever hear of UHI? Ever hear of USCRN?
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Peter, your focus is on irrelevant propaganda.
In Death Valley, USA, temperatures range from -8 C to 57 C. That is a 65C difference. Yet creatures still live, plants still live, but you spout Armageddon over 1.5C changes in 100 years hence.
Extreme summer and winter temps in North America range from +54.7 C to – 47 C. That is a 101.7 C difference.
Yet life goes on, and it has gone on for hundreds of thousands of years.
Stop the hysterics and realize that seasons change, cold happens, heat happens, and humanity and nature have dealt with this for more than a billion years without your fear mongering nonsense.
Yes it was uncomfortable in 1936. July/August was the hottest US summer temp on record. Average of 49.4 C.
https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/21/23272781/1936-heatwave-us-heat-advisory-climate-change-record-breaking-temperature
But the Winter of 1935/1936 reached – 50 C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936_North_American_cold_wave
So all of this happened before the massive emission expansions of 1941 – 1951, and all was naturally occurring “weather”.
So tell me again, why anyone ought be afraid of the unsupported leftist propaganda that we now live in the “hottest days evahhh”. And, more so, why a 1% deviation from historical records is significant?
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You are talking utter nonsense. And that is because you do not know what you are talking about.
A climate model that doesn’t warm quick enough? Pull the other one!
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You are getting tired of moving the goalpost after all you didn’t counter anything in the article while you seem unaware that it was warmer in the early interglacial time than NOW!
Not only that the Arctic summer sea ice was low to zero many different years up the Medieval times, yet Eskimos Polar Bears and Republicans are still around and your ancestors too…..
Your dependence on unverifiable climate models have gotten really bad since it isn’t data and doesn’t advance understanding.
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Warmists are staticists, for lack of a better word.
Civilisations have thrived during the naturally warm periods of the Minoan, Egyptian, Roman and Medieval eras.
Plus, we are coming to the very end of a rare interglacial. As the world cools, it will be impossible for civilisation to survive without coal, gas and nuclear power stations (and real hydro, not SH2, where possible).
The idea that the earth and universe is static is a very primitive one and articulated by Aristotle in “In the Heavens” 350BCE.
It is only in the last 100 years or so that the ideas of Alfred Wegener (1880-1930), a real climatologist, geologist, geophysicist, meteorologist and polar researcher came to be accepted that the earth is not static. Among other ideas he conceived of continental drift which led to plate tectonics.
However, as early as 1840 Louis Agassiz (1807-1873) hypothesised that much of North America was once buried under glacial ice up to 3km deep and that climate must change.
Milutin Milanković (1879-1958) also discovered natural cycles in the climate.
Warmists have to do a lot of catching up with modern thinking.
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Western civilisation you mean. Indian and asian civs were way more advanced, writing and and advanced farming were already established.
But to your main point.
Warmists are more attuned to the results of emanating from climate science, and don’t cherry pick, nor rely on opinions from non-climate experts
but its your option and I do respect that
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Really? There’s climate science going on somewhere?
Who would be brave enough to use the scientific method in the realm of climate?
They’d be out of a job for sure!
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Don’t worry, he gets his lines from the Climate Council. They’re full of “experts” over there. Well, political activists on the renewables take anyway.
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A partial list of climate ‘experts’ – King Charles the 3rd., Al Gore, John Kerry, Greta Thunberg, Tim Flannery, Chris Bowen, Antonio Gutteres, The Bureau of Meteorology, CSIRO, NASA, the entire complement of ‘talent’ at the ABC, BBC, etc.,etc, etc. Not one of whom has managed a completely accurate prediction of current climatic conditions (even past climatic conditions). Perhaps it’s because it’s not possible to do so. Ask Yogi Berra.
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The Chinese are very well aware of the severe consequences of global cooling as shown by the following graph.
They are very well aware that their civilisation thrives during naturally warm periods.
That’s why they are unconcerned about supposed global warming and have more than double the CO2 emissions of the next largest emitter and are building two coal power stations per week.
SEE graph at:
https://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c01b8d0f76684970c-pi
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That’s your anti-Western racism and xenophobia again.
Like it or not, Western Civilisation and the Judeo-Christian moral code it is mostly based upon, is what made the modern world.
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Agriculture seems to have been in The Levant (to use an old term) about 9,000 years ago, from about Jerico in the south to Anatolia in the north (houses showing settled living). Remnants are hard to find, partly because of much destruction in wars etc. and partly by the dry, come desert lands now (so Climate Change). Çatalhöyük (SE Turkey) grew wheat & barley, peas, almonds, pistachios & domesticated sheep & possibly cattle around 6.000 B.C. It is thought that the Mesopotamia settlements followed very quickly.
Mesopotamia cities e.g. Uruk, Sumer were in touch (trade) with the Harappan settlements in the Indus valley, and millets were from subsaharan Africa and spread from there. Sumer had a written script (Cunieiform) by 3,100 B.C.
The earliest definite evidence of rice cultivation in China was 3,000 B.C. but likely to be older. (The settlements on the Yellow River were abandoned by Climate Catastrophe (floods). And it appears that crops were grown in Sth. American about the same time.
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I drink Tea, and eat Mandarins, i’m guessing that you do not consume either of these.
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Way to stay on topic, Mr. Fitzroy.
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Mandarins in China obviously drink tea.
What’s the big deal?
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If Peter were more educated than us. He would be aware of research showing large variation in China’s climate over the past 2000 years. Not quite in sync but showing a similar pattern.
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‘Warmists are more attuned to the results of emanating from climate science, and don’t cherry pick, nor rely on opinions from non-climate experts.’ … Hide the Decline?
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The MWP was warmer than today, when CO2 level was much lower (115 ppm less than it is currently).
There appears to be no correlation between a particular trace gas and temperature.
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What about this correlation, or this one
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I have little faith in the concept that CO2 hasn’t been this high in 800,000 years.
https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/
We are at the end of the Holocene, so let us hope that human induced global warming saves us from certain disaster.
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Well the first link of yours shows 3 higher CO2 levels and 2 higher temperatures during interglacials when humans weren’t “changing the climate”.
Don’t you read your own links?
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False: https://skepticalscience.com/medieval-warm-period-intermediate.htm
BINGO https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:Global_warming_denial_Bingo
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‘While the Medieval Warm Period saw unusually warm temperatures in some regions, globally the planet was cooler than current conditions.’
Possibly true, the Southern Hemisphere may have been insulated.
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Pink batts?
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‘The Medieval Warm Period (950-1250AD) is apparent in the Northern Hemisphere reconstruction, while in the Southern Hemisphere there was an extended warm phase between 1200 and 1350.’ (Australian Antarctic Program)
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As I’ve shown before the Holocene Climate Optimum was much warmer than today and sea levels were about 1.5 metres higher on our east Aussie coast 4,000 years ago.
Even their ABC told the same story in a Catalyst program called Narrabeen man.
Of course the previous Eemian interglacial was much warmer than our Holocene and much higher sea levels that have been documented around the world.
And co2 levels were about 280 ppm during these much warmer periods and only small populations of Humans living as nomadic hunter gatherers.
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I was going to ask what the co2 levels were, but there it is. Thanks.
Correlation busted!
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Too right!
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Dave we should be concerned about co2 levels dropping to 180 ppm as was the case during the last full glaciation.
That’s only about 30 ppm above the level that plants start to die.
Not in our lifetime of course but perhaps in just a few thousand years another full glaciation will take place and Humans then will have a lot to worry about and that period could endure for 80,000 years or more.
But Humans will likely be more intelligent by then and not be wasting endless hundreds of TRILLIONS of $ for NOTHING. See SMH story I linked to yesterday.
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Neville,
Here’s a post I did on this two years ago, showing the Holocene had to be warmer. There’s no better country than Australia to illustrate this.
https://kenskingdom.wordpress.com/2021/08/23/the-worlds-biggest-thermometer/
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Thanks Ken for reminding me of your hard work and your linked SL study is very good. Thanks again.
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Also, thanks Ken, that’s good material.
The fall from the highstand _ overshoot, after the last big melt, has been documented world wide to have begun about 7000 years ago. In some locations around the world the drop has been as much as 6 metres and I’ve seen reports that the drop on Australia’s east coast was at least 4.2 metres down to the present level. Almost sixty years ago our geology professor, Beryl N mentioned on a local excursion here in NovoCastria that the mostly recent drop had been 4 foot (1.2 metres) over the previous 2000 years.
I haven’t seen any noticeable change in tides since then.
A reference diagram, once available online showed that the oceans had oscillated down from the highstand.
Sea levels currently are very stable.
🙂
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Sea level rise lags changes in the Earth’s temperature. Sea level rise is a function of thermal expansion and ice sheet melt. It takes a long time for ice sheets to melt, it is likely that metres of sea level rise is already ‘baked in’, unless deep cuts to atmospheric greenhouse gas concentration is made this century.
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Sea level changes are a result of many things, including the ones you mentioned. In some places there is a continuing land rise, while in other places there is a continuing land fall. You need to focus on each location individually as each is different. To make a blanket statement about SLR when it’s different all over the world is surely ridiculous.
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C’est incroyable.
Truly a work of art.
Certainly not science.
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There is a natural lag as the oceans react to atmospheric temperature changes.
Here we see the impact of sea level fall in the Pacific at the start of the LIA.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1931-0846.2007.tb00277.x
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I have often said climate is cyclic as others on here do. What is puzzling is the panic that comes from a couple of degrees warming. Who would really notice if we didn’t have panic merchants? We grew up in northern NSW where the temperature would fluctuate between minus 8 or 9 in winter to over 40 degrees in summer, that is a swing of nearly 50 degrees and amazingly we survived! We know naturally without our help we have had warm years and freezing cold times all orchestrated by our sun and our planet. If we think we can change the cycle by tearing the place apart and disfiguring it with wind turbines and solar panels that destroy the environment and kill off wildlife we are dreaming.
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Dave, more of a nightmare than a dream. Thankfully, both (usually) dissipate when eyes are opened, ie. awake, as opposed to woke, though we are dealing with dark forces.
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Here’s a 5 minute video where Dr Craig Idso clearly shows the benefits of fossil fuels and the amazing increase in Human life expectancy and our flourishing since the early Industrial Revolution.
http://www.co2science.org/video/confirmed/humanlongevity.php
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In our hospitals most essential and auxiliary things are made either from, or, with the aid of fossil fuels, such as, the vinyl floors to the stainless steel surgical instruments.
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A warming climate is a positive benefit, a cooling climate is near disastrous, it’s as simple as that.
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The only “climate change” (assuming it were happening at all) we need to be worried about is if it gets colder, not hotter. Life, and civilisation, love warmth.
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Arrow heads shaped from shells by the sea,
Tied to shafts made of wood from a tree,
In the Bronze Age long ago,
When ‘carbon’ content was low,
And Norway’s green shores were ice free.
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Umm! You can only smile, eh! and why am I reminded of ….. ‘Alice’s Restaurant’.
As Lars said ….. “the reason they are melting out is sad,”
Yes Lars, someone drilled a hole way down into the ice and then inserted that spear head into it.
As Joanne mentions, it was warm once when that spear was ‘lost’, and then the ice age cometh, freezing over it.
Tony.
Alice’s Restaurant verse
That’s what we did, and drove back to the church, had a thanksgiving
Dinner that couldn’t be beat, went to sleep and didn’t get up until the
Next morning, when we got a phone call from officer Obie. He said, “Kid,
We found your name on an envelope at the bottom of a half a ton of
Garbage, and just wanted to know if you had any information about it.” And
I said, “Yes, sir, Officer Obie, I cannot tell a lie, I put that envelope
Under that garbage.”
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“What were you arrested for, kid?”
and I said, “Littering.”
And they all moved away from me on the bench there…
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“and creating a nuisance”
And they all came back, shook my hand,
and we had a great time on the bench, talkin about crime
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You can get anything you want at Alice’s restaurant apparently. Ahh, Arlo Guthrie an old style lefty.
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look up “The Lost Squadron” on u tube about the recovery of a ww2 PA38, that is now under about 100metres of ice in Greenland
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Saw that previously.
Did that get covered or did it sink through the ice?
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Covered by decades of precipitation. Landing gear might conceivably sink but intact wings would not.
One can also see where structures on the icecap would disappear if not constantly being raised.
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What Our Oceans Say about Global Warming
By Guy K. Mitchell, Jr.
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/09/what_our_oceans_say_about_global_warming.html
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I would have thought that Jo would be in the camp that argues that we are still in the Holocene rather than the Anthropocene.
Regardless, every recent temperature construction shows that barring possibly (but unlikely) a period around 6000 BC, it was never this warm in the Holocene.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41597-020-0530-7
and it’s steadily getting warmer at a rate almost unparalleled in the paleoclimatic history.
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Holocene optimum was warmer than now
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No, the Adjustocene.
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Simon,
here your are, “confirmation”
Our Global Boiling Summer Was As Hot As 1857! For the MetOffice.
SEPTEMBER 4, 2023
June has been confirmed as the hottest on record for the UK.
A rapid study by Met Office scientists found the chance of observing a June beating the previous record of 14.9°C, like we have this year, has at least doubled since the period around 1940. The previous record of 14.9°C was recorded in 1940 and 1976.
And according to CET, June 1846 was more than a degree hotter. It was also hotter in 1676, 1822 and 1826.
It seems from your obsession that the temperatures in England have been getting cooler.
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False: https://esd.copernicus.org/preprints/esd-2021-84/esd-2021-84-AC6-supplement.pdf and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_England_temperature
Not that you can base global temperatures on a single spatial location. Regardless, CET is consistent with the global surface temperature reconstructions.
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“reconstructions”, are they a form of models, depending on assumptions?
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It’s that bad that things are only getting better.
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That is impossible to proove.as we do not have comparable temperature / time data or methodology for periods prior to 1900.
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I found this, nothing to be alarmed about.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record#/media/File:Holocene_Temperature_Variations.png
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It seems strange, Simon, that when we check again, all these earlier warm periods that don’t fit the theory, they are suddenly found to have been insignificant?
Around 6,000 to 8,000 years ago occurred the Holocene Warm Period.
1. Eurasion treelines were up to 75 km further north than are current treelines
2. Sea levels around Australia were 1.0 metre higher than present.
3. Antarctic ice core temperature proxies show the continent was 1.5°C warmer than present
4. Greenland ice cores reveal temperatures 3.0°C higher than present.
References:
Holocene Treeline History and Climate Change Across Northern Eurasia
MacDonald etal 2000 Quaternary Research Volume 53, Issue 3, May 2000, Pages 302-311
Radiocarbon-dated macrofossils are used to document Holocene treeline history across northern Russia (including Siberia). Boreal forest development in this region commenced by 10,000 yr B.P. Over most of Russia, forest advanced to or near the current arctic coastline between 9000 and 7000 yr B.P. and retreated to its present position by between 4000 and 3000 yr B.P. Forest establishment and retreat was roughly synchronous across most of northern Russia.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0033589499921233
Sea levels around Australia were 1.0 metre higher than present.
Late Pleistocene and Holocene Sea-Level Highstands in Northern Australia
Jonathan Nott. Journal of Coastal Research Vol. 12, No. 4 (Autumn, 1996), pp. 907-910 (4 pages)
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/092181819090060P
Holocene temperature variations inferred from Antarctic ice cores
Cambridge University Press: 20 January 2017
P. Ciais etal
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/annals-of-glaciology/article/holocene-temperature-variations-inferred-from-antarctic-ice-cores/4615D12D0C046B19397D1E9BF4F2A641
Holocene sea-level change on the southeast coast of Australia: a review
Craig R. Sloss, Colin V. Murray-Wallace, and Brian G. JonesView all authors and affiliations
LVolume 17, Issue 7
https://doi.org/10.1177/095968360708241
Recent Antarctic Peninsula warming relative to Holocene climate and ice shelf history
Robert Mulvaney etal
https://nora.nerc.ac.uk/id/eprint/19349/1/200135_2_high_res_merged_1340723405.pdf
High Arctic Holocene temperature record from the Agassiz ice cap and Greenland ice sheet evolution
Benoit S. Lecavalier etal 2017
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.1616287114
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‘ … a period around 6000 BC, it was never this warm in the Holocene.
Mind how you go, it was 6,500 years ago.
‘ … and it’s steadily getting warmer at a rate almost unparalleled in the paleoclimatic history.’
Did you get my memo on Hunga Tonga-Hunga?
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Colder or Warmer
It seems to me that if a Bronze Age arrow got buried in a Norwegian glacier, 3-4000 years ago then the ice was there then. Same as it is now.
How do they that it was colder then? Or warmer?
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You are extrapolating localised climate changes to global. Norway’s climate is very dependent on AMOC.
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No he isn’t.
Barely exceptionally hot weather for a few days in a locality is always due to climate change. And yet, exceptionally warm for years when the global average was constant is not a stretch.
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What does Alexandria Madona Ocasio-Cortez, AMOC, have to do with this? She’s a not very effective U.S. politician.
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We shouldn’t confuse the Gulf Stream with AMOC, the conveyor belt won’t slow down, its controlled by the spin of the earth.
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Hi Peter, there were serious fluctuations in sea level since the last high stand after the big melt topped out roughly 7000 years ago.
Oscillations were roughly evenly spaced and gave highs along Australia’s east coast of 4.2, 2.4 and 1.2 metres. Between those highs were corresponding lows and the last drop from 1.2 metres to current levels occurred over the last 2000 years. The landlocked harbour at Ephesus in Turkey is a well documented example of that fall.
Possibly that arrowhead was left during one of the in between fluctuations.
I’ve often wondered if Noahs story developed from one of these sea level pulses and retreats.
The story of Nooah is known in some Asian cultures.
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We shouldn’t forget that the Netherland’s Donchyts study showed that the Earth’s coastal areas had gained more land over the last 30 years.
This was published by Nature in 2016 and I’ve checked and WUWT also linked to an accurate account of this study.
And we know that most Coral islands have been increasing or have remained the same over many decades. See Kench and Duvat etc studies that I’ve linked to before.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/08/30/earths-surface-gaining-coastal-land-area-despite-sea-level-rise/
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Even their ABC eventually wake up sometimes and actually follow the data and evidence.
After Andrew Bolt belted them for years the ABC donkeys admitted that the majority ( about 90%) of Coral islands have been growing or stable for the last 60 years.
They quoted Kench and Duvat and other scientists agree with the results.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-01-08/why-are-hundreds-of-pacific-islands-getting-bigger/13038430
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The Holocene Temperature Conundrum looks a bit like the leaving unpaired socks in your sock drawer leads them to multiply conundrum. When will they ever figure euther out?
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Also Bolt’s interview with Hydrographic Surveyor for NSW Daniel Fitzhenry shows no dangerous sea level rise since 1914.
And they use the BOM data over that long period of time. This only takes a few minutes but it’s good to listen to and understand the proper experienced person involved.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mjOmsqIibk&t=17s
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In the camp that “Anthropocene” is propaganda rather science.
It’s proposed, not accepted. The consensus still is that we are the Holocene, so no actual argument for being in the other, heathen.
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Damn. Supposed to be a reply to #12
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In Oz, if they dug that up, it’d be the end of 1,000 acres of farming and food production.😎
Votin’ NO.
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Thanks Jo for this post. It is clear from proxies of sedimentary deposits to in situ evidence of Arctic treelines and forests buried under melting glaciers that it was much warmer in ancient times during the Holocene.
Glaciers Reveal Tree Stumps from a Warmer Period
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It amazes me how this really simple point–it used to be warmer–is so difficult for some to understand, such is the strength of their indoctrination. I am reminded of this every time I encounter someone waxing hysterical about the release of planet-killing methane from thawing permafrost. I’ve had a couple of opportunities to explore this issue with fragile-earth types, with interesting results.
“Well let’s think about this,” you might say. “What do you think is the source of this methane.” Which might give them pause since they may not have thought it through. “Organic decomposition” you reply, helpfully. Um OK. “And where did the organic matter come from?” because nothing grows in frozen soil. Sudden brain infarction as they process the understanding that the organic matter mixed in with frozen soil could only have originated in an earlier, warmer time when plants could actually grow in the non-frozen soil.
Such a simple thing, yet it produces such resistance.
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And they always assume that methane is a very, very, very potent Greenhouse gas. I’ve lost count, it was 12 times (worse than CO2 in the first IPCC Report) and the last I’ve not was 85 times. This despite John Tyndall measuring it as 4.5 times in 1861.
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“As global warming transforms Norway’s mountainous landscape, Finstad, Pilø and their fellow glacier archaeologists are rushing to collect the exposed artifacts, which continue to get older as the ice continues to melt.”
When ice disappears, it is assumed that the ice has melted and the melting is caused by warming. Ice requires some kind of precipitation, such as rain, hail, snow. What if the disappearance of the ice is caused by another of the features of climate, that is little or no precipitation, otherwise known as drought.
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