By Jo Nova
Joe Biden wants half of all cars to be EV’s by 2030 to stop the storms, but customers have other plans
Such is the dour mood in sales yards, it only took three weeks to get nearly 4,000 dealers across the USA to sign on. Their joint letter to Joe Biden informs him electric vehicles are piling up in their sale yards. And even though the prices have been cut and subsidies applied — it’s still not enough. They plead with him to slow down with the EV mandates.
Rich Democrats buy EV’s but the poor and middle class can’t afford them, the charging infrastructure is not there and the grids can’t cope. If the price of traditional cars is forced up artificially to effectively subsidize and “meet” the EV Diktat, presumably most customers just won’t buy new cars at all.
Right now in the EV vision, sales are supposed to be accelerating:
Car Dealers to Biden: EVs Aren’t Selling
The Editorial Board, Wall Street Journal
Dealers have a 103-day supply of EVs compared to 56 days for all cars. It takes them on average 65 days to sell an EV, about twice as long as for gas-powered cars. EV sales are slowing though manufacturers have slashed prices and increased discounts. Consumers paid on average $50,683 for an EV in September, compared to $65,000 a year ago.
A new study from the University of California, Berkeley’s Energy Institute at Haas finds a “strong and enduring correlation between political ideology and U.S. EV adoption.” About half of EVs registered as of last year were to “the 10% most Democratic counties, and about one-third to the top 5%,” the study notes. This suggests “it may be harder than previously believed to reach high levels of U.S. EV adoption.”
From the car dealers:
A Letter to the President: Let our customers voices be heard!
With each passing day, it becomes more apparent that this attempted electric vehicle mandate is unrealistic based on current and forecasted customer demand. Already, electric vehicles are stacking up on our lots which is our best indicator of customer demand in the marketplace.
Mr. President, no government agency, no think tank, and no polling firm knows more about the automobile customer than us. We talk to customers every day. As retail automotive dealerships, we are agnostic as to what we sell. Our business is to provide customers with vehicles that meet the needs of their budgets and lifestyles.
The Inflation Reduction Act offers $7,500 in credits to qualifying households, and it’s still not enough. The EV market share is still growing, but has dramatically slowed in the second half of 2023. Joe Biden wants half of all cars to be EV’s by 2030, but even though EV sales hit a record “high” in the US, the market share is still only 7.9% of new car sales.
h/t OldOzzie, Kim, Maurice.
Image by Anwarul Quddus Sikder
Miss Trump yet yanks? Your military khaki uniforms are on their, diversity at the front line in Bidens WW3.
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the bidet doesn’t control a thing.he just puts on his aviators,tries to be hep and says and does as told.
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Obama is just executing his third term via his puppet.
Any talk of Bidet’s activities should not be interpreted as independent thought or actions by him, but by his puppet master, except when Biden gets disconnected from the teleprompter or his earpiece.
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Obama was a puppet.
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Back in his Chicago “Community Organiser” days maybe, but not now I suggest.
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He probably wont even be shown this supposed dealership letter. Better for the minders to keep him in sweet blissful ignorance.
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The Uniparty Australian Government always adopts the worst, failed ideas of others (and for an added touch, makes them far worse) so seeing how taxpayer-funded subsidies have failed in the US, the Australian Government will likely provide even bigger ones plus force sales of EVs by banning or excessively taxing fuel and ICE vehicles.
Ultimately however, restricting your motor vehicle transport options is just an interim measure to remove most personal mobility because they want non-Elites to live as serfs/slaves in the Open Air Prisons known as 15 Minute Cities.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/15-minute-city-stickiness/
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/12/goodbye-car-ownership-hello-clean-air-this-is-the-future-of-transport/
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I could see this coming, David, and ordered a new car last year that arrived here a month ago. I am 83 and, if necessary, this car will last me for the rest of my driving life. No EV for me, now or ever.
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What a critical time in history to have idiots like Bowen and Albo in charge.
And clueless Labor and the Greens will do their level best to wreck our onshore and offshore environments and electricity grids as soon as they can.
Once we have useless, TOXIC dilute W & S power and thousands of kilometres of towers and wires it will be super expensive to change back to RELIABLE BASE-LOAD energy again.
In the meantime they’ll be trying to increase the cost of RELIABLE ICE cars etc and force otherwise reluctant buyers into dangerous, TOXIC EVs ASAP.
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It’s one of the worst times in the history of the West and nearly all Western countries have idiots as leaders.
The only glimmer of hope the West had was President Trump and look what they did to him.
Unlike WW1 and WW2 when dark forces tried to destroy Western Civilisation and there was a commitment to win, today, most people are pursuing the Leftist Agenda to destroy our civilisation.
SEE Gad Saad’s video, under 2 mins:
https://youtu.be/aYolXVwRWZ4
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Thanks David and it’s hard to disagree with Saad and he is always a rational level headed person.
We are racing after stupid energy solutions(?) today and the ongoing costs never end.
And socially they are striving to ruin our young people’s future by polluting their minds with trashy ideas about gender diversity etc that would’ve been considered a mental illness a generation ago.
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In 1914 Germany and Austro-Hungary were as much part of “the West” as France and GB. That was no war of the good guys v the bad guys. Had Britain not fought with their historical enemies (the French) arguably it would have ended by 1916 and WWII would never have occurred. The world would be a better place now IMHO.
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British European policy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37iHSwA1SwE
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Neville,
That’s the way it’s planned. Get past a tipping point of no return & we’re lumbered with the the ALP / Green limited energy monster for decades to come.
Watch the media come up with the most dire weather predictions, constantly telling the public of the disastrous weather ahead. If only the public would wake up & realise the weather patterns haven’t changed in the last 500 years. Australia is unique with its 3 seasons…….. Fire Flood & drought! Nothing has changed, only the propaganda & the media that spreads the lies. ALP is exceptionally good at lies & propaganda. Take a good look at Albo he’s a pastmaster at the propaganda & lies. Remember our $275.00 electricity account saving???? That’s just one example of their treacherous lies!
It’s all focused on that tipping point. Keep your eyes & ears peeled for the BS marathon to come! Don’t be fooled. The ALP / Green machine is not your friend!!
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At least Australia is getting some flack from CO28 where most Nations have signed up to tripple Nuclear generation by 2030,..whilst Austrailia refused to get on board. !
Lets hope its the thin edge of a pressure wedge to drive some hint od sensibility into Albo’s clown show .
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I have absolutely no problem with nuclear but whether to use nuclear or coal should be only a judgement based on the economics of a given situation. Build nuclear remote from coal mines, build coal next to coal mines like Australia’s power stations used to be, back in the day.
The problem with the use of nuclear today is that it actually reinforces the anthropogenic global warming fraud. Those who promote nuclear now are smart enough to know that nuclear provides the cheap, reliable, 24/7 power that our civilisation needs, but too dumb to be aware that mankind is not doing anything to alter the climate.
The Australian Uniparty factional leader Peter Dutton is a classic example. He actually does believe in anthropogenic global warming. That’s the only reason he supports nuclear. He has even stated that he sees nuclear as backup to solar and wind, not a principal form of generation.
In addition, Australia being the “can’t do” country, he knows in his heart that even if a decision was made today to build a nuclear power station, it would not be built within the lifetime of anyone alive today so he is safe from any controversy.
It’s all very sad, but this is the consequence of a deliberately dumbed-down education system which has been in place for at least 50 years now.
And don’t forget, it was the pretend conservative Liberal Party and Howard and his successors that put us on the road to “renewables” madness.
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DM
I wish you were not correct.
Doug
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‘The problem with the use of nuclear today is that it actually reinforces the anthropogenic global warming fraud’
This is true, but the sad reality is that the argument about global warming has largely been lost at this point. While there is a glimmer of hope, the forces promoting the global warming narrative have become far too powerful. The world is adopting net zero by 2050. Nowhere in the western world have governments been able to resist this narrative. Faced with this political reality, the next least bad option is nuclear power – it is cheap in the long run and it is there 24/7.
I dont think things will change until the emperor has been shown to have no clothes – the EV debacle is an example of this – but given that the media has now become the propaganda outlet of the elites, even reality may not be enough.
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The road to AGW madness.
https://podcast.app/patrick-m-wood-e122631205/?utm_source=ios&utm_medium=share
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Maybe the new leader in Argentina will be the first hole in the AGW wall. Trump if he were to win again would be number 2 -or with China and India maybe that should be 3 and 4.
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. . . by 2030
Oops! The USA could not start today and build a nuclear facility by 2030.
The Nation could likely get 3 to 5 built by 2050, the actual target date. 🙂
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Oops ! …yes thanks John .
In reality, it is the principal of the agreement that is significant, rather than the timescale !
Nuclear no longer seems to be the global bad boy of energy generation.
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Australia has the largest Uranium reserves in the world. It should be a no-brainer for Australia to be a “Nuclear Energy Powerhouse”!
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“Nuclear Energy Powerhouse”!
On the principle of the “green hydrogen powerhouse” beat up about the green hydrogen that we don’t have –
that can’t possibly work – we’ve already got the uranium
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“drive some hint od sensibility into Albo’s clown show”
Airbus Albo will never do anything sensible. Ever.
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At the COP President of France Macron has advised Australia to get rid of the ban on nuclear energy, he said that France is building new nuclear reactor electricity generators and planning for more to be built in the near future.
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After the cancellation of the French subs, I’m sure Macron/France would love to build us a new (or few) nuclear reactors.
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“Johannes Leak does a PERFECT Chris Bowen!”
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2023/12/johannes-leak-does-a-perfect-chris-bowen.html
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TOXIC EVs are a dangerous, expensive disaster and hopefully they’ll end up in the rubbish heap before too long.
Meanwhile the Manhattan Contrarian site tells us that DILUTE TOXIC W & S may suffer the same fate, but will the clueless US DEMs have the nerve to see it through?
If COP 28 can see a change to BASE-LOAD Nuclear energy in enough OECD countries we may start to head in the right direction.
And SM Nukes may be faster and better than larger Nuclear power stns.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/12/01/no-amount-of-subsidies-will-ever-make-a-wind-solar-electricity-system-economically-feasible/
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Wind turbines in Queensland and NSW are killing rare Aussie wildlife – and wind farm operators are being trained to ‘kill’ koalas ‘humanely’ – as Labor commits to zero emissions by 2050
. Many birds die from the wind turbines
. Others are built in the middle of koala habitat
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Good to know that the same devices in WA, SA, Vic and Tas don’t kill anything.
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Sad considering that all of the existing coal fired power station locations and existing electricity grid network could be retained, coal fired power stations operated as long as they are commercially viable to operate, swap coal fired boilers for SMR replacements and/or replace power stations and all generator units with SMR and factory build components assembled on site.
No need for clearing land for more “farms”, transmission lines to main grid or new main grid only needed for wind and solar efficiency issues.
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“And why doesn’t Germany just double the amount of its wind/solar generation, so that those sources would go from supplying 52% of usage to 100%. Because it doesn’t work that way.”
Because twice nothing is still nothing.
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” …it may be harder than previously believed …”
When seeing this “than previously believed” phrase — and I see it all the time in research papers, I want to slap the writer with the posterior end of a skunk.
In this case regarding high level of EV adoption, who thought that? Okey, Elon Musk but he was busy harvesting payments and subsidizes. Where can I get a skunk?
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Leftists are unable to explain to me why China doesn’t build more wind and solar instead of two coal power stations per week when we are endlessly told that wind and solar are the cheapest and most reliable form of electricity production.
And, I know the excuse is that China is a “developing country”. But why would they waste money on “expensive and unreliable” (sic) coal plant?
A country that has nuclear reactors, nuclear weapons, a space program, a bio weapons program, modern cities more advanced than in many Western narions, is no longer “developing”.
They should not be allowed to continue to be the world’s largest CO2 emitter, more than twice as large as the next biggest emitter, the USA. (That is in accord with Leftist “logic” (sic). Obviously the only problem with CO2 is we don’t have enough of it.)
It is an obvious lie that wind and solar are “the cheapest” because the more we get the more expensive electricity becomes. It’s impossible to not see that. It is a deliberate and malicious lie and people need to start being prosecuted for telling it due to the harm this lie causes.
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“Cheapest form of electricity production”?
The cost of electricity to consumbers includes more than “production”. Solar energy is very cheap to produce at noon on a cloudless day. Wind energy is cheap to produce when there is a strong breeze. However the cost per KWh tends to infinity as the output falls to zero when the sun sets or when the wind stops blowing.
The cost of a battery backup for a wind and solar only grid for Australia is around $10 TRILLION!!!!
Factoring in the cost of back-up power and the cost of distribution makes wind and solar unaffordable even with government taxpayer subsidies
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Expect your electricity bill to DOUBLE under Labor’s energy policies.
The UK is further down the “renewables” path than Australia and electricity in the UK cost twice as much as in Australia.
France which uses Nuclear power has electricity prices half that of the UK
https://www.statista.com/statistics/263492/electricity-prices-in-selected-countries/
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There is a form of electricity production even more expensive than off-shore wind power!
Here it is
German Solar Bike Path Produced Green Power – For $1100 A Kilowatt-Hour!
https://notrickszone.com/
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“Leftists are unable to explain …”
Yes.
We know.
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And what body has the right to insist on that?
You have been naughty China – go stand in the corner. OK, will do – tell me when we can start burning coal again.
Who will stand up and make all the stuff used across the globe if China cannot burn coal. Like Australia, UK manufacturing is essentially dead. The chart on the first page highlights the terminal decline of UK manufacturing:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/1110483/Energy_Consumption_in_the_UK_2022_10102022.pdf
Germany is heading down the same rabbit hole.
And China does a great job of manufacturing for the rest of us while per capita CO2 output is much lower:
https://www.worldometers.info/co2-emissions/co2-emissions-per-capita/
Per capita CO2 production in Australia is 2.35X that of China’s and Australia makes next to nothing. But do supply a lot of iron ore and coal to feed Chinese manufacturers.
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The per capita crap is a nonsense. It is only be applied to the production of CO2 and the global warming argument. An unproven and debatable theory. No attempt to allow that debate is tolerated. That is the force of the powers behind the theory. ‘Carbon’ has become the word of choice because to talk CO2 forces a relativity argument. The known and essential, proven benefits of CO2 vs a theory that depends on the worst computer-generated output to create a doom prophecy, and that’s an argument no sane activist nor politician can win.
Apply that per capita argument to the essentials for living today. Describe what activists demand the (western) world lose in following such a damnably stupid theory that ignores all other influences except CO2 driving climate and compare it with the activists world where even energy supply is wrecked and nations get economically wrecked in persistently pursuing a plan that is proven not to work. Then tell the people everything they are to go without including food, mobility, freedoms, and most likely , even their democracy (the basis of which is already seen in the products of our education). When fossilised plants sit under 8kms of antarctic ice then people might really get used to the idea the climate is an ever changing beast and always will be.
Let’s look at your argument about per capita and the production of food for a world of 8B
people and growing. Australia has 26 million people and feeds how many more? Due to your per capita argument, that makes our almost net zero or less CO2 output per year, miniscule or negative in the total production of CO2 by the planet, look large enough for us to go about destroying our food production, to be replaced by Solar and wind farms ie better to rapidly starve the world to save the planet? That’s how mad this entire debate is. Especially when its biggest fertiliser, CO2, people are trying to scrap, even when 97% of the production is natural ie from the planet itself. Sri Lanka took 12 months to go into starvation times when it was forced by government to abandon manufactured fertilisers.
The crazies ignore their own arguments. The plants they destroy to make a moonscape for solar panels are the very CO2 sinks they are supposed to applaud. Per capita, we must be becoming the greatest destroyers of plant (and animal) life on the planet. Mr Bowen ridiculously states we are to become a ‘world power in exporting green energy’ – after we’ve destroyed so much native and farmed areas, CO2 sinks, to seek his impossible targets.
Honestly the crap and lack of fightback against the loons pushing an unproven theory, that
wish to see the world shorn of people asap, is just satanical. Even when the replacement methodologies strip primarily the West of energy and plant life, and soon to be farming restrictions, it is hard to see a better proof that the lunatics are in control of the asylum!
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One of the issues about the “per capita” thing is that it only compares large scale industry and electricity generation, and maybe doesn’t actually include industry?
The main point though is that there are undoubtedly many areas where rural life is the norm and electric power is not available. In those areas the means of survival, burning whatever’s handy in an open fire, creates massive amounts of CO2 that doesn’t get counted.
Dud comparison Rick.
And ” China does a great job of manufacturing for the rest of us “; really, so much of what they produce is of very low quality and they are doing it so they can get our Money.
Not really altruistic, especially when the fact that China is almost certainly “encouraging” the western Elites to push the industrial shutdowns that we now experience.
Work is one of the greatest gifts that politicians can bring their constituents, Australia is not being neglected, it’s being deliberately destroyed.
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The most popular “car” in the USA is the Ford F150 ute. Ford sold over 500,000 last year, but only 13,000 were the EV Lightning version!!
And what about the ugly CyberTruck? How many of these will be sold to traditional pick-up truck buyers?
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I love the powerful ICE engine options of that vehicle.
https://www.germainfordofbeavercreek.com/ford-f-150-engine-options.html
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It is now winter in the USA. How far would an EV pick-up go hauling a mobile home with the heater on before needing a hour long recharge?
Battery output falls at lower temperatures even before you switch on the car heater.
Also battery output falls at higher temperatures which would be more of a problem in Australia. Imagine running out of range in country Australia on a 40 degree day before you can reach the next recharging station?
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Wealthy truck drivers wanting a show pony could hitch up a diesel generator with a really big tank of diesel to make an impression. This is the advertising pitch for the CyberTruck:
https://www.motor1.com/news/698773/tesla-cybertruck-porsche-911-drag-race/
So throw in a 25kVA generator and 500 litres of fuel and you might make it across the USA without stopping. A tad more expensive but good range. In fact the generator and fuel tank could fit in the tray if you did not have other stuff to carry. That adds about 1000kg so within payload capacity. That would enable something else to be towed.
Without towing, the CyberTruck requires 25kW to do 60mph so the 25kW generator would enable 60mph without taking any energy from the battery. The generator would burn 8l/hr so 60 hour range from 500 litres; roughly 3600miles. You could get in your CyberTruck in woke New York and arrive in woke LA without having to buy fuel in any of those unwoke places in between.
A true diesel/electric pick up. Obviously it would make sense to replace the battery with a capacitor bank to reduce the weight but still have the umps of the big battery.
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Mr. Lover: I see video of machine gun unloaded at the truck (Musk is the shooter?). Based on this, it will be snapped up by cartel operatives on both sides of US southern border. Musk has done it again, a truck for insanely rich owners.
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I know a bloke in the US who has been on a waitlist for one and now they’ve come out the price is a fair bit higher than he planned to pay. He’ll go ahead with it though because the battery is supposedly quite big and he can use it for a backup for home solar. Apparently it will keep his family in electricity for six days.
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Where does the smart money go? Back off, or double down? Double down $1.10 , back off $4. The rapture is upon us. They can smell the collapse of Western Civilisation. All they gotta do is stay strong. There is a theory that a driven 5-15%(?) can change things. They are running with 30%. Just dumb down the rest and they’re home.
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If the current woke governments ordered me to eat carrots, I’d never eat another carrot.
If they told me the sun would come up tomorrow, I’d probably buy flashlights.
I like EV’s. But I’ll never buy one at their order.
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That’s pretty interesting demographics. It indicates that the Democrats are a minority in America. And true believer Greens are an even smaller minority. And those who can afford to go green are an even smaller minority yet. No wonder they are desperately importing illegal voters. Moreover, it also indicates that many still resist being bought.
Usually how people vote with their wallets is reflected in polls. Something smells….
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Yes Dave I think you’re correct and Menzies won the Aussie “hip pocket nerve” election in 1949 and in a landslide.
That was Chifley’s opinion, because men always carried their wallets in their hip pocket in those days.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Australian_federal_election
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Delivery drivers rushed to hospital after e-bike battery explosion sparks Sydney fire
Three food delivery riders were rushed to hospital after an e-bike battery exploded in their apartment building in Sydney’s Inner West.
Fire fighters were called to Annandale around midday as more than 100 residents were forced to evacuate the unit complex on Booth Street.
One man was seen being taken out on a stretcher.
He and his two roommates had finished a shift around 3am and had left their bikes downstairs as the batteries charged.
Resident Michael Waples said he heard “a loud thud”.
“At first I thought someone was moving furniture, then I heard a scream and commotion,” he said.
“Two dudes emerged from the flat and there was smoke. They were saying ‘there’s a fire there’s a fire’.”
Other neighbours found an injured international student in the hallway and helped him downstairs.
He was treated by paramedics before being taken to Royal North Shore hospital in a serious condition with burns to 40 percent of his body.
His roommates were sent to Concord Hospital with minor burns.
Fireys managed to contain the blaze before it spread to other units in the complex.
Inspector Michael Woodward from Fire and Rescue NSW said there was a lot of damage to the unit.
“There wasn’t much in there, it’s a small one bedroom unit and it’s concrete walls and floors,” he said.
PS it was notable on the 9 News Footage last night of this event, that they were hosing down one of the Fireman who had been exposed to to the Smoke
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Warning after warning after warning: do not change high capacity lithium batteries inside a building!
So Sanjai got singed? It could have been worse. Our international (hairdressing) student could have been driving a B-double through a McDonald’s with a driver’s licence issued by Indian relo’s to an 18 year old who legally could never have had the required hours for a heavy articulated licence.
You know what would make Australia safer? Simple: no recent immigrants to hold a civil service job within 10 years of gaining citizenship. Harsh, but after the truck accidents, nessesary.
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Electric vehicle shock coursing through America
Socialists are wrecking the land of the red, white and blue
I’ve got nothing against electric cars, per se.
Tesla made Elon Musk so rich that he took over Twitter. Mr. Musk promptly exposed how radical leftists in charge of social media suppress conservative viewpoints and censor key information to skew elections. Then he renamed it X.
This was a great victory for freedom of speech and more proof that God sometimes works in strange ways.
But I’m not buying an electric car. That will happen only when our would-be green masters put gasoline-powered cars totally out of reach.
This won’t happen as quickly as the climate extremists had hoped. It seems that fossil fuels, one of America’s great strengths, will be around longer than anyone thought just a couple of years ago.
The signs abound. Billion-dollar wind farm contracts are being canceled. Oil companies are beefing up for more production even as the Biden administration keeps blocking off government land that could produce energy.
The Detroit Three are losing money on every electric vehicle they make. EVs are piling up on dealers’ lots. Last Tuesday, 4,000 dealers sent a letter to President Biden asking him to back off his goal of converting almost two-thirds of new car sales to electric by 2032 — a mere nine years from now.
Part of the problem is the slim market.
Virtue-seeking liberals burnishing their green credentials have already bought their EVs.
Speaking of signaling, how virtuous is it to buy into a product almost entirely dependent on a supply chain of rare earth minerals produced by child labor and controlled by China?
OK, I own an iPhone. Nobody’s perfect.
There’s more.
A new Consumer Reports survey found that EVs are far less reliable on average than gas-powered vehicles. From 2021 to 2023, owners reported 80% more problems than for combustion-engine vehicles.
Most EVs can go only 200 to 300 miles without time-consuming charging. Plus, a Car and Driver magazine study found that EVs got 12.5% less distance per charge on average than the manufacturers claim.
For urbanites who drive only a few miles, electric cars make much more sense than they do for suburban and rural residents or for families who like to take road trips. (“Dad, do we have to plug in again? When are we going to get there?”)
Another reason that I won’t be buying an EV soon is that I resent that leftists who control our government are shoving them down our throats. It’s part of their war on America’s energy sector and thus on our strength and independence.
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The Biden administration could take off all ev subsidies and incentives to minimise ev sales and he could spin it as reducing emissions by discouraging EVs. As one of Jos previous posts showed when VW did a comparison between its electric and diesel Golf the most favourable grid scenario it took 125000 km of driving to compensate for the extra emissions involved in the production process. In Germany and US it took over 200000 to break even and in China the EVs emit more CO2 than petrol cars the more they are driven. The reality is that as most people will change their car every 5-8 years and most people averaging around 12-13000 km per year(at the most)
the reality is that from an emissions point of view the world would’ve been better off if they just bought a diesel.
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So Zigmaster if you drive your EV for 10 years or perhaps 120,000 KLMs and you then either buy a new battery or a new EV, then tell me when do you EVER REDUCE co2 emissions compared to a normal ICE car?
I mean either 2 new EVs or 1 EV and 2 batteries definitely means more co2 emissions and costing 2 to 3 times the money. Can anyone please tell me where I’m wrong?
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Not sure what the criticism is about.
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Many parties have studied this issue, such as the VW one quoted,
Volvo also looked very deeply at the situation with the advantage that they have data from their own production of the XC40 ice, and its twin XC40 Recharge EV.
https://www.volvocars.com/images/v/-/media/market-assets/intl/applications/dotcom/pdf/ethical-business/volvo_carbonfootprintreport.pdf
Their conclusions were basicly inline with the VW report, in that it takes approx 146,000 km to be even on carbon footprints if you assume a typical “Global” energy mix for electricity generation. ( that is 30% RE) ….
…(BUT much less if a “EU28” energy mix (60% RE) is available , which brings the break even point down to 84,000 km.)
Now, sticking with thw “Global” energy mix, you can find in the Volvo report ( page 25) the figures for carbon debt for both vehicles and each stage of its life ,..manufacture, operation, and end of life/ recycling. Also, the carbon footprint for manufacture of the lithium battery by itself is recorded (7 tons)
Using the 10yrs / 120,000 kms, example……
If you replace the EV at 120,000 km you would not have reduced the carbon footprint relative to the ice.
If you replace the battery (+7tons of carbon) at 120,000 km, ..it will take another 120,000 km to “breakeven” that 7 tons of carbon , compared to the ice car.!
Obviously the EU28 electricity would reduce that dramatically ..theoretically !
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The one thing I really like about this letter is the use of the term “unsold BEVs”, rather than EV’s. In fact it should always be lengthened to Battery Electric/Powered Vehicle.
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EVs have a limited market for the wealthly woke who have at least two cars and live in homes with garages.
In cities most people live in appartments and there is no easy way to recharge an EV at home or wait in a long queue at a recharging station
In the country – recharging points are hard to find and “range anxiety” is a major problem.
The woke “early adopters” have already bought an EV which is why EVs are now filling Dealers lots with few buyers.
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As a resident of a country village and district I could not use an EV apart from local driving, and the on road cost is prohibitive, and that’s for a sedan and not comparable EV to my diesel 4WD SUV.
The real battery full charge (not recommended to fully charge regularly, eighty per cent recommended) of most would not even get me to Sydney without recharging and wasting at least half an hour for eighty per cent recharge.
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Ever heard of ANSTO?
Australia is leading the charge to recover Uranium from seawater (Fun Fact: We all take a Uranium bath when we go to the beach – Uranium is present at 3 ppb!)
https://www.ansto.gov.au/news/promising-material-provides-a-simple-effective-method-capable-of-extracting-uranium-from
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Henry being proved right again, he released his Model T Ford with gas/petrol internal combustion engine and the EV market shrank and disappeared.
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Consider why commercial sailing ships were quickly abandoned by shipping companies when steam engine powered ships were invented.
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One of the latter sail ships around cape horn. Kids manning the sails just died as part of the process. Fantastic documentary narrated brilliantly. Well worth half hour to watch.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLzBDhilDL0&t=763s
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Fascinating.
A huge contrast to my time in shipping – 1972-2017 – never mind the electromagic ships of today [with low-sulphur Fuel Oil, of course!].
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Eric Newby sailed on one and wrote about it in “The Last Grain Race”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Last_Grain_Race
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‘Serious injury or death’: More than 1,500 GWM Ora electric hatchbacks recalled over programming defect in charging cable
A batch of 1,659 electric vehicles are been pulled off the market after the manufacturer identified defects in the charging plug which can cause “serious injury or death” to both drivers and bystanders.
A massive batch of electric vehicles of more than 1,500 units has been recalled over a dangerous charging issue which can potentially be deadly to drivers.
The federal government’s DITRDCA department issued an alert on Monday for 1,659 variants of the Great Wall Motors (GWM) Ora model sold across Australia.
The recall notice identified a “programming issue” in the affected cars, said to be occurring when the operator removes the charging cable without cancelling the charge.
In this instance, an electrical arc is created between the charging plug and vehicle, which can then turn hazardous for anyone in close proximity to the car.
“If an electrical arc comes into contact with the operator or bystanders it will increase the risk of serious injury or death,” the notice reads.
The outlined defects were found in the 2023 range of the Chinese EV.
Affected car owners will receive written notification by GWM to make an appointment at their preferred GWM dealer, who will then update the vehicle software free of charge.
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Im going against the grain from the get go. I support EVs. I want oil reserves conserved for agriculture and excavators and trucks. If we run out of diesel, get ready to starve. Not just get hungry or buy expensive food, starve, literally.
Problem is, EV’s are rubbish at long range travel. But for city dwellers, who do mostly short trips, they’re fine. But when you want to leave the city that one time every year that many do, they’re rubbish. And the fire problem is also highly significant. The reliance on windmills to produce the electricity is pure insanity. And forcing people who live in the country and do many more miles, is authoritarian and unjust.
But the solution is already available. Plug in hybrids, with much smaller batteries, can significantly reduce oil consumption. Greens are complete ideologues (complete idiots) and don’t want them. OK, ignore them.
VW invented a car that does something like 130 miles per gallon, genuine, probably ten years ago now. Sorry, I can never remember what it was called. It was a few letters and a 1. It’s a much smaller car, but it’s great. Goes a long way, operates on battery when possible and switches to diesel when required. It’s a total rethink on these huge heavy cars we have all become addicted to. But not long ago, Japanese made very light cars like the Datsun 120Y that poor people drove. But they were awesome things. It’s just a matter of perception.
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Yes I remember the Datsun 120Y. I hired one in Fiji in 1976.
In those days they used to promote them with sexy girls smoking cigarettes, heaven forbid. Where have those freedom days gone!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GsA_4w4lpXw
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Full agreement ref EVs saving oil reserves for diesel etc…
And there is another good option available..
Natural gas and LPG (Liquid petrolium gas )
Thes gasses are a simple and direct substitue fuel for all ICE engines in existing vehicles.
They eliminate the need for refined fuel oils AND halve the CO2 emissions as well… ( not that it matters, but is supports the PC case for conversion !).
The technology is well proven and in use for a number of vehicles ( most taxis in the 2000s were lpg fueled)
There is already a national network of LPG pumps at servo’s, as well as a extensive NG distribution pipework . Much simpler , cheaper, and quicker than setting up EV charging networks.
There is also technology for refueling NG cars at home from a mains gas supply ( at domestic gas prices !)
Even using the more expensive LPG, ($1.20/ltr) , it could also dramatically reduce fuel costs for everyone.
Note , Australia has one of the worlds biggest reserves of NG !
So why is gas considered a bad boy in Australia’s energy mix ?
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Another top speech from Alan Jones at the recent Sydney rally and he has some great quotes and statistics to try and make us THINK for a change.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gS-bUB2RtY
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Andrew Bolt ripped into the Bowen loony on the Bolt Report this evening.
What an embarrassment that Aussies are represented by this delusional donkey during COP 28. What a sick joke.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw_ItDMRvF4
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Paul Murray cracked up when he asked Ray Hadley why he calls Bowen “Casanova Bowen” .
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Perhaps someone should compile a collection of Bowenisms.
One that comes to mind is when he said, soon after the election when he became Energy Minister, “The sun is always shining somewhere in Australia”
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Good news for all those men in QLD wanting access to an abortion, the minister has just given you the right to access this service .
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I’m familiar with many of the dealerships in NC, because we trade with them. One of the Toyota stores is part of my company. My dealership doesn’t have an EV yet, supposed to come in 2024. And, really, people are having a problem with the price of cars now, with MSRPs at least $3000 more than pre-COVID, sometimes more. But, people know they can count on those cars. They can’t trust EVs. And there are way too many townhomes and apartments in Raleigh to deal with charging
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“Rich Democrats buy EV’s”
Yes, along with ICE vehicles.
I recall that about 10 years ago, the then Prince Charles saying he should buy an EV to include in his stable of cars. No doubt along with the Rolls, Bentley and about 10 more ICE vehicles. In other words virtue signalling
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