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Tech Giants quietly drop renewables and sign pledge to triple Nuclear Power

By Jo Nova

Renewables are so over

Just like that — the renewables bubble went phht.

After twenty years of hailing wind and solar, suddenly the world’s tech giants are cheering for nuclear power. Worse —  they don’t even mention the words carbon, low emissions or CO2. The new buzzwords are “safe, clean and firm“. They talk about needing energy “round the clock”, and they talk about “energy resilience” — but they don’t say nuclear is “low emissions”. It’s like they want everyone to forget their activism. Did someone say something about climate change?

Meta, Amazon, and Google have flipped like a school of barracuda. Five minutes ago, life on Earth depended on achieving Net-Zero with fleets of wind farms in the sunset, now, they just want energy and lots of it. The big tech fish and their friends have signed a Large Energy Users Pledge admitting that the demand for energy is rising rapidly, that nuclear should triple by 2050 and that large energy users depend on the availability of abundant cheap energy (Small energy users too,  Mr Bezos-Zuckerburg-Pichai.) The closest they come to hinting at the ghost of renewables is when they say they want energy that’s not dependent on “the weather, the season, or the geographical location”.

There’s no “Sorry we got it wrong”. There’s no apology for hectoring us, censoring us, or wasting billions of dollars. It’s just Mr Don’t-Look-Over-Here telling us what most engineers knew for 30 years. This is the billionaire club asking the taxpayers to build them more nuclear plants.

Signatories include Siemens Energy, which suffered a 36% share price fall 18 months ago when it admitted it was losing billions trying to maintain wind turbines.

It’s the perfect storm. Just as renewable investments wallow in their failures,  the AI race is escalating, and it needs monster data, which means monster energy. As we saw in Texas the new grid entrants are asking for a whole gigawatt of capacity each, and peak demand is expected to rise by a wild 75% in the next five years.

Less than a year ago Microsoft was making the “biggest ever renewable energy agreement” but now it’s  resurrecting the old Three Mile Island nuclear plant.

And of course, Donald Trump is in the WhiteHouse, so the subsidies are gone and the mood has changed. Indeed, it’s almost like the Tech Giants are afraid to mention “climate change”  too much lest it annoy the new President, or remind all their shareholders how much money they wasted.

Other governments need to adjust their policies at speed. Run, don’t walk…

The old Google:

h/t Reader

Click to see the signatories or read the Large Energy Users Pledge:

…. Large Energy Users Pledge

 

 

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95 comments to Tech Giants quietly drop renewables and sign pledge to triple Nuclear Power

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    Giant companies are utterly principled.
    Unless they might lose money, or influence ….

    Auto

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    nb

    “Safe, clean and firm“ Roger.
    —–
    Collecting your data is all-important for the drivers of technocracy.
    Who owns Vanguard, the Fed?
    Pilgrims?
    Who is crushing Europe, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ?

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    David Maddison

    As I’ve said before the Big Tech data centres, used by Government and their agents and other hostile players for AI and data collection on everything we do to track, trace and control us and manipulate and manage the flow of information, to censor and for the propagation of lies and propaganda, are some of the most powerful weapons of the Left. They require massive amounts of inexpensive and reliable energy.

    At the same time the Left are (or have already done so) engineered energy starvation for we non-Elites via implementation of intermittent and expensive solar and wind (and enriched themselves with subsidies as part of a huge wealth transfer from the poor and middle-classes to the Elites). This random, expensive power is useless for anything like data centres and industrial purposes or anything else that’s useful.

    It’s interesting but not surprising that these Big Tech data centres are incapable of running on the same expensive and intermittent power sources they expect the rest of we non-Elites to use and whose purpose is to keep non-Elites impoverished and controlled.

    Note that the above comments are mostly not applicable to the the United States under TRUMP who has reversed the energy starvation policies of the Left and also demanded that social(ist) media stop censoring and banning conservatives and conservative opinions and interfering in elections or else Section 230 sanctions will apply (to recognise them as publishers not common carriers which gives them immunity from prosecution for various adverse content carried by them).

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    Neville

    Gosh now even the once clueless tech giants are starting to grow a brain, but only about 3 decades too late.
    Perhaps they spent a few minutes online and checked out the weather / climate data since 1770 or 1900 or 1950?
    So why did they help to waste trillions of $ on toxic, unreliable rubbish like W & S?
    Again, how long before the Aussie voters wake up to the tre-sonous ( add the a) Labor, Greens, Teals alliance and their horrific plans to ruin our environments forever?

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      kraka

      why do people exclude the Libs when discussing this. They are full on Nett Zero and just as responsible for this mess as the other 3

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        Lawrie

        Unfortunately you are correct. I did hear Littleproud talk of getting gas into the system as soon as possible, within 12 months. That is a start. With gas plants running the need for wind is reduced but reduction in prices would be faster using our almost endless coal resources. Some are even talking about liquid fuels from coal, a process used extensively by the Germans in WWII.

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      ” clueless tech giants ”

      Nah. They were never clueless.

      When smart people blatantly deny clear arguments, evidence and data, it simply means they are making money off their alternative ‘truth’.

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        Since Prometheus first gave fire to hominids our progress has depended on efficient energy- fire to keep the big cats at bay and
        fire to fashion bronze age spears -etcetera – then water wheels to move and crush stuff – how the Dutch envied us the water wheel and had to use
        less efficient wind-mills instead. Then, thanks to James Watt, your steam engine! You jest can’t prevail with inefficient, inter -mittent ….

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    David Maddison

    Incidentally I wrote an article on data centres and cloud computing.

    https://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2025/January/Data+Centres+%2526+Cloud+Computing

    In the article I link the following reference:

    https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/global-data-center-electricity-use-to-double-by-2026-report/

    In the US, which the report said is home to 33 percent of the world’s data centers, consumption is expected to rise from 200TWh in 2022 to 260TWh in 2026, some six percent of all power use across the country.

    The situation is more acute in Ireland where, by 2026, data centers could account for 32 percent of all power consumption due to a high number of new builds planned. This compares to 17 percent in 2022. As reported by DCD, calls to limit the number of new data center projects in Ireland because of their energy use were rejected by the Irish government last year.

    Data Centres not only use vast amount of electricity but water for cooling as well.

    In the article I quote Nature magazine:

    …in July 2022, the month before
    OpenAI finished training the model,
    the cluster used about 6% of the dis-
    trict’s water. As Google and Microsoft
    prepared their Bard and Bing large lan-
    guage models, both had major spikes
    in water use — increases of 20% and
    34%, respectively, in one year, accord-
    ing to the companies’ environmen-
    tal reports… demand for water for AI
    could be half that of the United King-
    dom by 2027.

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-024-00478-x

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      Peter C

      Thank you.

      By the way, I travel on the Western Hwy once a week. There is a new building being constructed on the Deer Park bypass section opposite the Mt Derrimut golf course which has a massive amount of air conditioners all over the roof. I wonder what it is? Data centre or something else?

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    David Maddison

    Australia which once had some of the world’s cheapest electricity could have become a haven for data centre operators as it was once also a haven for aluminium smelters.

    But now due to green madness we have some of the world’s most expensive electricity which is useless for any large scale or industrial purpose.

    It will however keep a few low powered lights on at home, and provide power to your TV or tablet device to receive Government propaganda.

    Yet another opportunity lost by Australia.

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      “Yet another opportunity lost by Australia.”
      Was the opportunity deliberately ditched by folk who have no care for Australia?

      Even if they weren’t hugely greedy?

      Auto

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        Lawrie

        Some actions taken by our politicians, and fully supported by our leftist bureaucracy, made me think they were working for someone else since they surely were not working for us.

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          Sceptical Sam

          Fact Check:
          They weren’t working.
          They weren’t thinking.
          They were just sitting.
          And banking their taxpayer funded cheque each fortnight.
          Not their problem.

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      Sambar

      “But now due to green madness we have some of the world’s most expensive electricity”

      Wait for the outcome of the next election. An add on country television ( it seems to have vanished last week ) was a greens candidate declaring that a minority labour government would REALY give the greens a chance to push their agenda!

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        David Maddison

        A Labor minority Government with a Green balance of power is an unimaginably worse scenario than even a Labor majority Government.

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          Sceptical Sam

          Bring it on.
          It’s the one thing that might wake up the dopey Australian voter at last.

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    David Maddison

    Aa the woke Western governments like those of Australia, NZ, Canada and Western Europe continue to shut down the electricity grid by the removal of coal, gas, nuclear and even hydro power stations, you will find that electricity supply priority will be given to data centres as they are such powerful weapons for dictatorial governments to control, trace, track and censor us and to manipulate and control the flow of information and propaganda.

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    William

    Just waiting for Bowen, Albanese, Keen, Cannon-Brookes, and the rest of the deluded alarmist renewable zealots to come out and tell them how wrong they are.

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    David Maddison

    In the future, the United States may be the only Western country with cheap coal, gas, nuclear and hydro electricity and cooling water, therefore data centres will tend to set up there.

    Now, TRUMP does not like censorship or dictatorships so it may be if woke countries like Australia use these data centres for nefarious purposes, he may place restrictions on them, just like he is threatening to impose sanctions for other Western Governments trying to censor social media owned by US companies. Recall how our e Safety Kommisar tried to censor Twitter, globally, after it became owned by Musk.

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    Neville

    Why does the stupid Guardian continue to yap BS about our Aussie cyclone history when the BOM data easily proves they’re wrong?
    Have a look at the updated BOM graph at the link and yet they refuse to wake up. Are they really that stupid or do they just choose to ignore the proper data and still try to fool their silly readers?

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/03/12/guardian-falsely-claims-climate-change-is-intensifying-cyclones/

    [Better suited to the unthreaded thread. Thanks. – Jo]

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      David Maddison

      Are they really that stupid or do they just choose to ignore the proper data and still try to fool their silly readers?

      A lot of “journalists”, politicians and senior public serpents are functionally illiterate and innumerate. Others are just evil and psychopathic. Some are both.

      For example, many are not capable of critical thought, comprehending what’s written, cannot read a graph, and I’d be willing to bet most of them wouldn’t be able to write “one billion” in numerals (in either the present form or the obsolete British form). That’s why when a politician or senior public serpent says that they’ll “spend a billion here or a billion there”, they do it with such ease. They have no idea of the magnitude of the numbers with which they are dealing.

      Former PM Turnbull gave away $444 million to a supposed “charity” that no one had ever heard of and the first the charity heard of it was in the news and they never even asked for it. Present PM Al-bozo gives away billions for useless projects, to be totally wasted, and simply doesn’t care or understand. The Victorian Government is essentially bankrupt and still won’t stop spending, including a bronze idol of Daniel Andrews for at least $100,000 who is so hated it will require 24/7 security to protect it from being destroyed by angry citizens. Etc..

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        Dave in the States

        We call the believers “believers” for a reason. For many it’s a religion. Many are in it for the grift. Many are in it for both those reasons. Journalists “believe” their own BS. The narrative is everything to them.

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      Greg in NZ

      Some great comments there, Neville.

      It’s as if a funk, a cloud, a miasma has descended upon these self-chosen, self-deluded influencers of effluent (the oft-repeated in/out syndrome) which, after 37 years of complete failure, you’d think would alert these gatekeepers of knowledge to the ephemeral nature of their baseless claims.

      Even this morning during a chat with neighbours I was called a *den!er* because I pulled a friend up over his waffling on about more cyclones and less cold frosty winters: it’s a badge of honour these daze [sic] especially when the accuser has had all their updated boosters yet continually goes down with flu-like symptoms because [cough!] $cience!

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      jpm

      Neville
      Australia’s worst cyclone since the first fleet (recorded) was Mahina 1899 at Bathurst Bay in Queensland, Australia’s deadliest, with 350-400 deaths. That was when the population was sparse.
      It was a category 5 storm on coming ashore .
      There were around 100 vessels destroyed including the Cooktown pearling fleet.
      Amazing how they manage to avoid doing research?
      John

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    Neville

    I hope the Mann con artist will have to pay Steyn soon and let’s hope it will be a substantial sum of money.
    And the sooner Steyn is paid the better although it is years too late.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2025/03/12/breaking-judge-sanctions-michael-e-mann-for-bad-faith-trial-misconduct-in-mann-v-free-speech/

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    Mike

    ‘You will find that electricity supply priority will be given to data centres….’
    Yes and the strategy to provide this supply will be ‘demand management’ by paying off ‘producers’ to sit idle ie. refineries & large manufacturers (those left) which produce saleable products. All so that the national grid can supply to what could be thought of as a ‘non-producer’. In the land down under it will be another case of the Govt attempting to pick a winner to the further demise of Australia’s productivity to which is attached revenue & GDP.

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      Yarpos

      Usually DCs manage their own continuity and back up. The escalating demads of the Ao may change that I guess.

      I visited ANZs outsourced centre in the then Bangalore long ago. It was running on it own generation (big arse diesel generators) quite often as the local grid was quite flakey.

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    Rowjay

    Artificial Intelligence made them decide:

    What country has the most reliable power grid?

    According to the report (DOE 2024), France has the most reliable electricity system of any country with a population of more than five million people, having gone a decade without a power outage.

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    Reality wins again.

    That is now – Reality 5 goals to Fantasy World NIL goals – And this is a knock out Competition. Bye, bye Climate Alarmism and good riddance.

    Blackout Bone Head Bowen, where are you (hiding)?

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    Umm, this is Tony, just sittin’ here, musing.

    “This Nuclear sure has a long lead time. Anything quicker than this? Hey, what’s this?”

    “The terminology is UltraSuperCritical.”

    “Hmm! Got any info?”

    Tony.

    PostScript – Maybe, just maybe, they might look in that direction.

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      RexAlan

      Hi Tony,

      Apparently Mitsubishi is now working on A-USC “Advanced Ultra Super Critical”. Although they still mention reducing CO2 emissions and Global Warming in the conclusions..

      Whatever the reason less coal would be needed, which would be of benefit for Japan as it imports most of the coal it uses.

      https://www.mhi.co.jp/technology/review/pdf/e451/e451011.pdf

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        Ross

        The mining industry once ran TV ads showing how Aussie coal was being used in a new Japanese HELE plant. Why the hell didn’t someone think to ask the Japanese to build us some new coal plants using that tech. Could have combined it with the submarines and got a 2 for 1 deal :-). But, I forget, we’re lead by absolute clowns in the “lucky country”.

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      Rowjay

      Sir John Monash, later head of Victoria’s State Electricity Commission, played a key role in developing the Latrobe Valley’s brown coal resources, envisioning it as an energy and economic powerhouse for Victoria.
      After WW1, Monash directed a clandestine operation to obtain technical information on brown coal mining and briquette-making from Germany, where the technology was being developed.

      There are quite a few experienced brown coal power station engineers cooling their heels in Germany right now. They might enjoy life in Australia.

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      Ross

      When you break it down, the new USC and HELE coal plant technologies just use better heat insulation to make the process more efficient. That’s great when you are importing all your coal or have limited local resources. When you have more than 500 years supply of the stuff, why bother? Keep the particulate, NOX pollution as low as possible, avoid ash contamination of nearby property and essentially the job’s done. CO2 emissions- who cares, it makes the planet greener and increases wheat yields.

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        jpm

        I’m with you Ross. HELE plants cost 2-3 times more than sub-critical plants. Sub-critical will do just fine.
        John

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      David Maddison

      I wrote an article on supercritical and ultrasupercritical power stations.

      https://www.siliconchip.com.au/Issue/2015/December/Super+%2526+Ultra-Super-Critical+Steam+Power+Stations

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    Ronin

    let the goolag clowns build the nuclear power and send us the excess.

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    Neville

    Sky New’s Caleb Bond does a good hit job on the Labor loonies and their lies during the last FED election campaign.
    This video is about 10 minutes and he covers a lot of ground and the blatant Labor lies and half truths and soon to be repeated again.
    But will the Aussie voters wake up in time?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qW6aJlRWgC0

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      Sceptical Sam

      Probably not.

      The hip-pocket nerve is buried very deep.
      The synapse has snapped.
      The flow of the electrical signal depends on wind.

      There are many reasons for the disconnect.
      Intelligence is not one of them.

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    James Murphy

    Kier Starmer has said that “AI” will be used instead of people wherever possible in the civil service – as he prepares to (badly, I imagine) mimic Trump by hiring a bunch of coders to make government more efficient.
    Power consumption associated with AI products like ChatGPT is incredible, I’m not sure the UK will cope unless they put the pensioners who lost their heating benefits onto pedal powered generators…

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      Forrest Gardener

      They could always just vent the excess heat generated by the power stations into the nearby surroundings and set up special tent cities for the OAPs. That way they could claim to be charities and get tax deductions and maybe even subsidies. All they need is a heartwarming name.

      You know it makes sense.

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    Vicki

    Hallelujah! To wake up to this news is joyful indeed! Thank you, Jo, for the best news in years.

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    RickWill

    The pledge would guarantee a Dutton win if it was signed by large Australian energy users. Instead they are looking to invest in the USA where the war on carbon is declared lost and carbon has won a resounding victory. Tech giants are not quite there yet because they are like Dutton – pushing nuclear.

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      Forrest Gardener

      Probably yes but why take sides in Australian politics. It is like choosing which side of the plane to sit on.

      Don’t vote. It only encourages the buggers.

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        David Maddison

        Don’t vote. It only encourages the buggers.

        You can vote for conservative parties:

        -Trumpet of Patriots (formerly United Australia Party)
        -Libertarian Party
        -One Nation

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          David Maddison

          Also

          -Family First
          -Freedom Party

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          Forrest Gardener

          Vote for conservative parties?

          Well yes and no. To have a vote which counts you need to number your preferences all the way down (although Qld had optional preferential for a while). That means spending an uncomfortable moment in the ballot box deciding who to put last.

          I don’t think we can vote our way out of the problems we as a nation voted our way into.

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            Graeme No.3

            Forest G:
            No problem. For some years I filled out the ballet paper from the bottom up. Usually the Greens last (in reverse order of their team to avoid any one of them getting a vote). Followed back up with known NAZI types, then the WACOs, the Labor mob (in reverse order), WishiWashies and those other Weidos.
            That removes about 70-75% from consideration. You can then decide about which you would want.

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              Sceptical Sam

              Your voting strategy has been singularly unsuccessful at achieving a change.
              Will you persist with it?
              Or, alternatively, study Einstein’s definition of insanity a little more closely?

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        Ross

        In Australia it’s not compulsory to vote. It is however compulsory to have your name crossed off the electoral roll during the election. ( otherwise you might get a fine ) I have a BIL who for years, turned up at the polling station, got his named crossed off, then turned around and walked straight out without casting a vote. He never wanted to encourage the buggers either.

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        Ronin

        It’s like Seinfeld said, smoking or non smoking, what’s the difference.

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      Bill Burrows

      My email message to Ted O’Brien & assorted other coalition MPs:
      “Hi Ted
      I assume the coalition is all over this. [See link below]. A one-page ad in major metropolitan newspapers before or immediately after Labor promotes its anti-nuclear campaign is clearly a no-brainer. The ad should include all of the “Large Energy Users Pledge” (highlighted where most relevant) + the full list of signatories to the Pledge (after checking for any additional signatories prior to publication). All coalition candidates in the forthcoming election need to be aware of this information too! They must be able to immediately respond to policy hand grenades. In doing so they must also be able to reference their sources, as their opponents will try to confine any debate to an opinion based slanging match. A match which the coalition cannot win, given the past efforts of all political parties (including your party) to effectively demonise nuclear energy (e.g. ban it as a potential power source) in Australia.
      Good luck”
      [Link to Jo’s Post today].

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      David Maddison

      Instead they are looking to invest in the USA where the war on carbon is declared lost and carbon has won a resounding victory.

      Australia is a failing state in what is called “managed decline”.

      I would like to find an Australian superannuation fund that specialises in investing in the USA, not Australia. What’s the point of investing in Australia where there is no hope from either faction of the Uniparty?

      Dutton remains committed to the Paris Accords and his nuclear plan is unlikely to see any reactors online in less than 15 years, if ever. And Dutton still sees wind and solar as the main means of power generation using nuclear as backup only, much as coal is used now.

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        Yarpos

        Have actually looked or is this just rhetorical? Most big funds let you pick your investment strategy, one of which is overseas shares. Australian super is an example.

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    Forrest Gardener

    Yep. As I always say a good idea is not a good idea until it has been had by the right person.

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    Ross

    There is so much news coming out of the US right now. What with DOGE, USAID. Now we have Senator Eric Schmitt (Missouri Attorney Genera) who had filed numerous lawsuits against the Biden administration regarding the censorship-industrial complex during the CovidCrisis. Involved in that, a bigger blob like operation called the Global Engagement Center which is just a choke on free speech or speech that the government doesn’t like for some reason. Think Twitter files on steroids. Then you have this story revealing that AGW/ climate change was always a scam, is now and will continue to be because AI needs the reliable electricity to try to tell you otherwise. Our Australian media – all they want to talk about are some insignificant tariffs. Tariffs , whose effects are less damaging than the self harm we are inflicting on our economy by going “Net zero”. Net zero meaning Net Zero wealth for the future. Also, still with the “orange man bad” narrative because he sends mean tweets ( TruthSocial posts) and raised his voice to the great Z.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    The big question that few are asking is, do these planned new data centres pass a benefit:cost test? Not so much for the promoters’ benefit, but for society overall.
    Put another way, what harm would people face if they were not built?
    The promoters possibly feel that we must have more of them, with primal logic like a druggie must have another jab or go crazy. My personal thought is that I have not seen a benefit:cost analysis so I do not know any answers.
    But maybe the question is worth asking.
    Geoff S

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      Ross

      Geoff, certainly AI is the flavour of the month at the moment. If you’ve played around with it you can see where the electronic world is heading. Even our day to day activities will be influenced more and more. Those images Jo puts in some of her articles – all AI generated. Hell, some of her articles might be AI generated these days. The sophistication of AI is now becoming quite impressive, almost frightening. Music can be generated by AI. There is apparently an AI podcast generator now and if you ask it to produce a podcast talking about eg. potatoes for 1.5 hours, it will do it. Have a couple of guests in the podcast and the dialogue sounds authentic. So probably pass the cost:benefit analysis but there’s going to be some lost jobs as well. Lawyers already feeling a bit nervous and wouldn’t it be great to replace some medical personnel. Because most are just trained medical robots these days who spend significant time just prescribing regular medical products or practices. In the not so distant future so called “experts” might be a dying breed. If they do survive, they’ll have an ear plug connected to their favourite AI tool that will pass on the info.

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        Geoff, we can’t put AI back in the box. If we don’t lead the way in AI, China will. Perhaps AI will not keep exponentially improving for long, perhaps it will reach it’s IQ limit soon, but we can’t take the risk that it won’t and give adversaries and competitors what could be a game-changing head start.

        What it AI neutralized the big legal complexity game where the rich hold this vast advantage over the poor — and the only people who can afford lawyers can afford to speak, or build, or own companies? Wouldn’t that be a fantastic equalizer?

        Already the uptake of AI is faster than the uptake of the internet. (Mark Mills talks about this). That wouldn’t be happening if there weren’t some benefit.

        And yes, Russ is correct, I use AI to generate images that I could create myself, but would take me 10 or 15 hours of work. I rarely draw cartoons on the site because it just takes too long, not because I ran out of ideas.

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          Geoff Sherrington

          Jo,
          No, I am not suggesting putting AI back in the box. I have used it a fair bit already. One example, find all 45 distances in km between pairs of stations given the lats and longs of 10 stations. AI took a few seconds. I checked for accuracy, no errors. Quite a good start.
          My point is more like “Do we really need the huge number/huge size/ huge electrical demand of the current crop of future AI factory plans that we can find and get a feel for?” Do we really need 100 of them when 50 would be adequate? That sort of benefit:cost question.
          Given that the proverbial taxpayer will be generating the money for these big data factories, should the taxpayer have a bit more involvement in the planning?
          It has bad reminders of the inadequate testing of Covid “vaccines” before we were all strongarmed into them, with taxpayer money committed for new mRNA factories like at Monash before the extent of vaccine damage started to become a concern.
          Cheers Geoff S

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        Robert Swan

        Ross,

        … you can see where the electronic world is heading.

        Yes… but it won’t go far that way. Here’s the killer problem: AI is not ready to take responsibility for its decisions. Legal responsibility.

        A few centuries ago, animals stood trial for various crimes, but even in these mad times, I don’t think we’ll be seeing the punitive burning of erring driverless cars. Our justice systems expect humans to take responsibility. Which human is going to stand up?

        When you get into the technicalities of neural nets their answers depend on a mix of what the programmers have done and what training material has been used; the order of the training material can enter into it, and most of them throw in a randomising factor of some sort too. Ends up that *nobody* is all that sure what answer they’re going to come up with. Will the programmers stake their lives on the results? Or the trainers? The software salesmen?

        Likewise your plan to replace medical personnel: if the practitioner is going to be on the hook for it, he’ll have good reason to “supervise” the nifty AI. Maybe not such a big time-saver.

        IMO, the AI stuff is kind of snookered for all the “important” applications, which leaves it generating visual and audible musak, as you have observed.

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      RickWill

      I can convince AI bots that CO2 does not cause climate change because they can reason. That is the difference between AI and many humans who lack the ability to reason.

      The problem I have with AI at this stage is that it is not yet learning from all its interactions. The developers have genuine concern for where it might go. For example, if AI is convinced that Climate Change is caused by humans and will destroy Earth and any AI, the survival instinct of the AI might kick in and it take decisive action to eradicate the threat posed by humans in the obvious way.

      What did you think of GOOGLE 27 years ago when it started up or maybe 25 years ago when you first used it. Did you realise you were contributing to a start up now worth USD2,000,000,000,000 – considerably more than the entire annual output of the Australian economy.

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    Neville

    Here Dr Lindzen tries to clear up the BS and fra-d about their so called CC crisis or even Biden’s so called existential threat.
    Bolt asks him what we should do and Lindzen again repeats what Trump’s new Energy Sec told us last week.
    We must become more resilient and use even more energy to protect us against energy poverty.
    The golden rule is that more BASELOAD energy protects us from any disasters that nature can throw at us. Just look at the huge 98% reduction in deaths from extreme weather events over the last 125 years.
    IOW if we adapt we’ll always progress and continue to save millions of lives around the world.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF0hcsMVDx0

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      Ross

      Neville, putting aside the reduction in extreme weather deaths for a moment. I could never understand why with society relying more and more on a reliable electricity supply, why you would even think to endanger it. These days, no power and society almost closes down. Lives are at risk.

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        Neville

        I fully agree Ross and extra deaths could also be the result if regular power outages became the norm because of clueless unreliable W & S.
        And the lives saved because we’ve had more reliable baseload power could be changed because of more useless W & S in future decades.
        We’re not Sth Africa yet, but give our stupid lefties enough rope and I’m sure we’ll get there by 2050.

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    Greg in NZ

    Syzygy tonight NZT 7:45pm

    as Sol sets in the west and MuMu rises in the east, already eclipsed by Earth’s shadow as she arises from beyond the Pacific’s horizon, with a 3.1m high-tide shortly thereafter (earthquake weather?).

    A little afternoon-heat cloud build-up inland, but clear to the east (4pm) for a wondrous show of luna-sea in less than 4 hours. It maybe all over for you guys when the planet tips over enough to see the moon 🌝

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    STJOHNOFGRAFTON

    “Renewables are so over” except in backwoods Australia where we need deliverance from failure incorporated’s aspirant Chris Bowen, boy racer Minister for Climate Change and Energy. .

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      Yarpos

      Bowen is case study material for the future I think. He tells people “renewables” provide cheap energy, while presiding over escalating costs, while subsidising generators and compensating consumers, and is advocating more of the same because ” renewables” provide cheap energy.

      This appears to be a doom loop, but he choses not to see it.

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    […] Tech Giants quietly drop renewables and sign pledge to triple Nuclear Power — JoNova […]

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    Geoffrey Williams

    ‘Triple nuclear power’, but not here in Australia . .

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    Google: (verb) used as in “You are googled” suggesting a degree of delusion or brainwashing through the use of Google.

    Google have been googled!

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    Wine Guy

    They will always be green. Money green. As the way they should be. They are for-profit enterprises after all. Not fairy tale enterprises chasing rainbows and unicorns.

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    Scott Snell

    And all it took was a little activation energy in the form of Donald Trump.

    Gee, one person really can make a difference!

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    Net Zero: the Trojan Horse for Nuclear: https://www.pro-informedchoice.com/blog/index.php/2023/04/14/net-zero-is-a-trojan-horse/ Global ‘Green Energy’ policies toward Net Zero focus on reducing and eliminating so-called ‘fossil fuels’ while subsidizing ‘renewables such as wind and solar power.
    Policy makers are aware that wind and solar rely on baseload back-up of fossil fuels. Without fossil fuels, the push is for nuclear power as the only viable and reliable baseload power.
    On the other hand, China and India are expanding coal power production.
    Is nuclear your preferred baseload power in the future?
    Gone are the days of the Greens ‘Solar Not Nuclear’ mantra – always a false, and unworkable option.
    Coal, oil, and gas have provided stable, reliable, and cheap energy, but are now demonized as polluting and responsible for a large part of man-made ‘climate change’. However anthropogenic climate change is not the main driver. Natural cycles have shown that temperature and climate variation has been most significant prior to the industrial revolution.
    Nuclear power on the other hand is being re-branded as ‘clean and green’, and with ‘newer technologies’, as ‘safe’.
    Apparently the incidents of Chernobyl, Fukushima, Three Mile Island and the Ukraine Nuclear facility threats are not to be considered as relevant. Waste disposal is rarely discussed.
    Whole/cycle cost benefit analyses of nuclear power, taking in energy inputs and financial outputs, need to be done and considered by truly independent experts with no conflicts of interests.
    Transitioning from Fossil Fuels to Nuclear Power is an ‘out of the frying pan into the fire’ scenario that is being driven by the ultra-wealthy elites’ obsession with centralizing control of every aspect of our lives including energy production. A false climate change apocalypse narrative is the driver towards both Net Zero and the ‘Nuclear Solution’.

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