History in the making.
“This has been a massive attack on the greatest democracy on Earth”
Breitbart has the 9 key points from this press conference:
- Observers were allegedly prevented from watching mail-in ballots being opened.
- Allegedly unequal application of the law in Democratic counties
- Voters allegedly arrived at the polls to discover other people had voted for them.
- Election officials were allegedly told not to look for defects in ballots, and to backdate ballots.
- Ballots casting votes for Joe Biden and no other candidates were allegedly run several times through machines.
- Absentee ballots were accepted in Wisconsin without being applied for first.
- There were allegedly “overvotes,” with some precincts allegedly recording more voters than residents, among other problems.
- Voting machines and software are allegedly owned by companies with ties to the Venezuelan regime and to left-wing donor George Soros.
- The Constitution provides a process for electing a president if the vote is corrupted.
There is an open battle between the media and the Trump team, and the FBI — the gloves are off:
To paraphrase the last hostile twenty minutes.
1:10: Rudy: I can prove to you 18 different ways. … Our role here is to go around the iron curtain, it’s to get the message out to the people. It’s to do your (the media’s) job, because you won’t do it.
On the FBI: They (hillary and co) made up the Russian Collusion plot. They (the FBI) withheld that for four years. What do we have to do to get the FBI to wake up? Maybe we need a whole new agency to protect us?
1:16 Sidney Powell: We have no idea how many Democrat or Republicans have paid to have the system rigged to work for them. This is a massive, well coordinated effort to deprive the people of their most basic right. It is the 1775 of our generation and beyond.
Sidney Powell: It’s true, (the computer servers were seized in Germany) but we don’t know if the good guys or the bad guys got it.
1:30 Rudy Giuliani is asked about the multiple cases being dismissed. Rudy replies that they only have 3 lawsuits, and the lawsuits that have been dropped have been put in by private entities. The only case they have dismissed is the one in Michigan because they got the outcome they wanted.
The only lawyers that have left have left because they and their family have been threatened, their children have been threatened. We have a little difficulty getting lawyers because they are being threatened with being killed. Because of the ridiculous way you’ve covered this.
Rudy: We’re not dragging it out. Al Gore had a lot more time that we did. Our witnesses don’t want to be exposed to the tender mercies of a vicious press. I have great difficulty getting witnesses to speak publicly. They don’t trust you (the media), they don’t like you, and they think you put their lives in jeopardy.
That comes about because of the hysterical way you have covered this (he says talking to the media).
Rudy G: “The censorship by Big Tech and our media is almost as dangerous — maybe just as dangerous as the election fraud we are revealing. We’re headed for a very bad place. “
“It is not appropriate that a Venezuelan company counted our votes”
Legal cases in the USA are often tried in the ‘court of public opinion’ parallel with the court case.
However you can’t prove a crime until it has happened. Rudi and team are holding on to their evidence.
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Sorry Peter but Rudy’s credibility is leaking down the side of his face. All there is on offer is Trumpistas making assertions that the election was rigged and then the GOP people and others in charge of many States are saying, sorry but that is just plain BS. The Georgia manual recount found some 1200 extra vites for Trump when he needed more than 10 time that to just break even with Biden and the courts are all but laughing each case out the door. The lawyers being used are lightweights, just propaganda cannon fodder.
WHile I supported his win over Clinton in 2016, it is now crystal clear Trump is nothing but a snake oil salesman pure and simple IMO and a petulant narcissist to boot, carrying on like he needs his nappy changed. I can understand people hanging in there hoping he had won, hating the leftard fringe of the msm and the Democrats but reality is reality.
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And yet…..high profile lawyers facing down likely death threats and dealing with likely rabid and unhinged leftists consider they have a solid case.
Hmmm…either the lawyers are deranged…or…. the Left is going to suffer such a savaging it wont survive.
And….the military has just be reorganized to put all US military Special Forces under direct Presidential control. Game over for the rabid left…my guess is they will go after the rioting hard left and thier financiers….and you know what? People will cherr it on. Special Forces do extractions and hunt and kill missions in hostile environments…
If I was a hard core leftie, Id be leaving the country…..
Get your popcorn here….
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I hope you are looking forward to Australia going for zero net carbon emissions by 2050, M Seward, because that is what will happen if the petulant, narcissistic snake oil salesmen loses
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Greta’s wall may get some other usage before this is all over. There looks to be sufficient activities to throw the whole thing up into Congressional delegations, which are majority Republican. It’s going to get mean and nasty.
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M Sewage
Rudi Giuliani and Sidney Powell have a lifetime of accomplishments that makes intelligent people believe they would not ruin their reputations by making up tall tales.
You, on the other hand, present a comment of repeated character attacks with no attempt, not even the slightest attempt, to refute anything they have said.
The Georgia “manual recount”, you probably did not know, because you don’t know much, could only determine if all the votes were recorded in the totals.
The recounts could not match all the illegal votes. The illegal votes could not be caught unless there was signature matching of the ballot envelope and signatures on file with voter registration. That would require handwriting experts. A computer could be set to accelt any signature that was spelled right.
In addition, a person who registered to vote, but was not eligible to vote, but voted anyway, would not be caught by a hand recount.
Many other acts of election fraud would not be caught by a hand recount.
In fact, absentee mail in ballots encourage fraud … and the obvious hatred of Trump, as in your comment, encourages Democrats to commit voting fraud to get rid of Trump, and think they were doing the country a favor.
The world would be better off without leftists.
Trump’s greatest accomplishment was causing leftists in the U.S. to reveal their great love for socialism, their hatred of free speech,and their refusal to debate any of their beliefs, except with character attacks … and your November 20 7:44pm comment is a perfect example of repeated generic character attacks. I would NEVER do that.
Have a nice day, M Sewage
Richard Greene
BS, MBA, TBW, SOHL, etc.
The Cliff Claven of Finance
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The obvious conclusion from all this froth & bubble is that the USA is not a democracy.
And possibly has not been for a long while.
A crooked political game !
Is this USA civilisation something that Australians want to be ‘infected’ by ?
No !
The Covid pandemic is enough infection for one year.
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Sadly we already have our equivalent of this U.S. control system at work.
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You’ll need to do better than that KK.
We have an electoral system that’s world’s best practice (with the one weakness of no voter ID being required). We have an Electoral Commission that ensures consistency in all federal and state/territory elections.
We have a rule of law that – with the exception of Victoria – works with integrity.
We have anti-corruption commissions and similar across all state and territory governments.
We have a free press that (with the exception of their ABC and their Fairfax comrades) gives the truth a pretty good run.
We have a Westminster system where the Judiciary and the Executive are separated and an independent non-political Head of State who has the power to resolve significant political issues in a democratic way.
We have an independent federal Auditor-general that answers not to government but to the Parliament. And, accordingly, ensures proper financial management practices are followed and where not, has the power and motivation to expose the illegalities.
So, tell us how “we already have our equivalent of this U.S. control system at work”?
Making the allegation is nothing more than a cheap and low shot.
Evidence please.
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Here in South Australia when I changed my voter enrolment with the AEC,
I was asked to show some Id.
And my previous enrolment details.
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And when you vote it is not looked at. The ALP moto vte early vote often.
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I think you’ve gone a bit too far there and missed the main point, which is that All is not rosey in the Australian garden.
What you are mostly describing is an Australia from fifty years ago.
The only reasonably functional part of our land is the voting system, but even there the main partis control who gets to be a candidate and upon election they’re simply a public face.
What goes on when in government is mostly related to grabbing as much as you can.
This system is highly evident in what’s gone on in NovoCastria over the last few election cycles and is seen at all levels: local government, state and federal.
Sixty years ago it was relatively safe to walk the streets because most of the danger had been identified and was behind bars. Not so today, so much for the courts.
Our once world best education system is another example of failed woki leadership and governance. We now trail West Kyrgistan in basic schooling according to world rankings. The less said about universities the better.
I’ll stop there, but one more example. Consider the plight of our first nations people. Have they been well served by “government” over the last fifty years.
KK
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“Making the allegation is nothing more than a cheap and low shot.
Evidence please.”
Just got back and saw your summary again.
In heavy print. Bizarre.
Evidence that All is not well with Australia’s management is right in front of you.
Governments have used the baseless concept that human origin CO2 is “dangerous” to introduce the equally baseless concept that solar panels and windmills are somehow pure and effective and cheap.
None of that is true but no politician or court is willing to test that “truth”.
The use of university plants/chancellors to crush the truth is a regular occurrence with three very prominent victims now tallied.
Peter Ridd is the most recent. You seem to imply that the courts and university admins have given Peter justice.
Don’t think so.
There’s something wrong when the truth about global warming can be so ruthlessly crushed.
That’s the sort of administration I was trying to highlight.
A couple of years ago in northern Russia there was the tragedy of 10,000 carribou, I think it was, died of cold. These animals weren’t wild so the fact that those looking after them got caught out and couldn’t save them points to something unusual.
I mention this because despite it and the recent freezing winters in much of the USA, Australia’s politicians still push the global warming alarm .
Australia’s current capacity to function is seriously disappointing and nothing like the rosey theoretical picture you have painted.
KK
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If you don’t like it, vote them out. And keep doing so until you get the government you deserve.
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Well I think we can now assume that the good guys got it!
There is a lot of murkiness here. Who are the Good Guys?
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Can we assume that? In regards to your question i suspect that is why we get “where is the evidence” all the time because the only people they can trust is SCOTUS at this point.
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Yes, I am sure that Rudi has the servers. People are going through them right now.
Can’t even trust SCOTUS, although they might be the final arbiter. Can’t trust anyone in the US Government or its agencies, including the DOJ and the courts.
Rudi and Sidney have put the allegations out there. People are ‘On Notice’, whether they realise it or not.
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i dont mean to pry but we dont know who took the servers and who has them we only powell said they dont have them. This may be a bit of subterfuge on their part i grant you but we dont know do we?
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Sidney said she didn’t know if the good guys or the bad guys had them. What does that mean?
It is true that I am speculating. I don’t have any special knowledge apart from what has been revealed already, including Wikileaks. If I am correct I don’t want to confound any of the plan.
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Come on Pete dont leave us hanging spill the beans
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Ok,
Here is exhibit 1.
https://www.dw.com/en/frankfurt-used-as-remote-hacking-base-for-the-cia-wikileaks/a-37841830
It is said that the servers were retrieved from a site in Frankfurt, using in part US Military personnel.
Who they were is still obscure but I may come to that tomorrow.
One of the questions in my mind was; how did the raid occur without incurring the wrath of the German Government. I think the reason is now clear. The raid occurred on US Sovereign territory (ie the US Consulate in Frankfurt). If, as Wikileaks says, it was a CIA operation then the operatives must be known to the CIA and probably the US Military (which was providing cover).
Wikileaks says that the CIA used the site for’Remote hacking’. If that included foreign elections, as alleged by Sidney Powell, why not the US election itself?
I think the CIA was blind sided. I am looking for evidence there,
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makes sense you have presented an argument which has piqued my interest. Lets hope you are correct
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Exhibit 2.
Acting Defence Secretary Chris Miller makes changes to the command and reporting functions of the US special forces.
https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article247251164.html
The change is presented a streamlining the command structure. Really! It looks a lot more like the special forces no longer report to the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Gen Mark Milley -chairman). Why would an acting Defence Secretary make such a change during a transition period of Government?
My first thought was that the change was needed to facilitate the raid on the US Consulate in Frankfurt, but it seems to have been made subsequent to that event. So now I am thinking that Trump wants the special forces to do something without informing the Joint Chiefs.
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It means that she knows there are still some fair minded crew, that not all are bidden to Biden.
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Yes, I hope.
If the “bad guys” got it, that would just be to prevent the “good guys” from getting it. But if the “good guys” have it, I would expect her to know that by now. The silence isn’t encouraging.
Like Hunter Biden’s lap top from hell, which the FBI had for 6 months prior to it being exposed from copies prudently made. And now, even after it was exposed over a month ago, the FBI and DOJ are still AWOL.
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Peter
I think Powell means there is no sign the Trump Justice Department and Trump FBI are working on 2020 election fraud or even care to help. … We have been waiting for over four years for anyone from the Obama Administration to be punished for their attempt to derail Trump in 2016, and even in 2017 after the election. Rules and laws were broken, and lies were told to the Trump FBI and to Congress. But no punishment of Democrats.
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Looks like you may have been right
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Exactly.
What we are seeing here is the hurling vast amounts of sh*t at a wall, with the hope something sticks.
Venezuelans, Russians Cubans did it! Reprogrammed voting machines! Stacks of fake ballots delivered! Ballots fed through machines multiple times! Signatures can’t be verified!
I’m really looking forward to seeing some evidence.
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Who are you to demand evidence. Evidence is presented in court.
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unfortunately i can only give you one green tick
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I gave him mine for you, Cracker. That brings it to 10.
Does that help?
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Well, it can be put forward earlier if you wish to convince the skeptical.
But, fair enough. We’ll soon see. But, until then, what you have is a wild array of seemingly far-fetched fantasies.
And, time for a few more donations, of course:
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This is why they’re holding the evidence for the arena where it matters, so the details don’t get washed under a kangaroo court stampede of “but look at this instead” and “that’s been debunked by legitimate fat checkered shorts.” Thanks for the example.
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hey’re holding the evidence for the arena where it matters
Oh, I see.
Well, I guess we should wait until then, if none of you are able to put forward anything of substance.
(And no, shouty videos don’t cut it.) 🙂
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markfx
You sure added a lot of you know what to the wall with your “brilliant” comment.
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Leftist mob: Yeah thanks for all that but let me ask again “where is the evidence”
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Do hundreds of signed affidavits, testimonies, witnesses amount to ‘evidence’…(assuming they can be validated/corroborated/verified/etc..)?
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Only if the mob are told so on twitface/MSM etc until then no there is no evidence
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And they wont be releasing it before the case. That would be dumb.
But think of this -how many other elections in other countries may also have been illegitimate?
This court case will cut deep into the guts of globalism…Im almost expecting something extreme to stop it.
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Oh..and if Biden can be shown to have fiddled the tin, the law says Trump wins *by default*.
Slam dunk. Bye Bye Red Joe…..
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Let me go out on a limb here Delory. This ‘stolen election’ story sounds to me like Trump and Co have weaponised the climate alarmist playbook to their own ends. Scare the crap out of people with claims of catastrophic system failure then get the pumped up punters out in the streets and donating to the legal fund.
These allegations and law suits are getting thrown out left right and centre including in Republican States. The problem is that the Repbulicans actually did well in the House of Reps, OK in the Senate and the Presidential result reflects the polling but with a reality check regarding the margins.
If the Dems had rigged the election using this software etc then you would think they would have at least secured the senate. A hand count in Georgia simply confirmed the result except for 1200 or so votes. So much for the fake count software.
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Yes. Exactly. All we have so far is a vast complicated array of apparently far fetched stories.
Not one shred of evidence.
Where is the evidence please?
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please refer to comment 2.2.1
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Thanks Crakar.
And may I in turn refer you to reply #2.2.1.2
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The problem is, markx, that the Marxist goons will quickly round on those who have the evidence and deal with them.
Did you not read that in “Wayne County, Michigan, Election Board Rescind Prior Certification Vote Citing Threats to Their Family…”?
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/11/19/wayne-county-michigan-election-board-rescind-prior-certification-vote-citing-threats-to-their-family/
Seth Rich might well be their exemplar.
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do you really consider yourself as skeptical….hang n have a clan wars battle in WOT its far more important than talking to you Be back seen soon cheers
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we won did second highest damage pissed as a cricket….but i digress please refer to comment 15 for my reply cheers
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MarkX, do you really think something this big would leave easy to find evidence? Like you just walk in to an election office and demand: “gimme the low down on your corrupt practices”.
Righto they’ll come clean just for you or maybe Ian.
At this stage in the game, anyone that says the following are simple clueless sock puppets:
“there is no evidence”
“it’s all been debunked”
“Trump has lost all his lawsuits”
“Dominion has a press release that proves this to be false”
“Soros involvement is a conspiracy”
“if there was something there CNN would cover it”
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markx:
All throughout the campaign there were reports of huge crowds enthusiastic for Trump, and reports of very poor turnouts for Biden.
That Trump should get more votes than any President, even Obama, doesn’t seem surprising. Yet Biden got over 10% more votes.
Something doesn’t seem right.
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Graeme, Trump was ignoring the Covid pandemic and having big campaign events.
Biden did not ignore the pandemic.
n fact it was a major part of his campaign was that Trump was being incompetent on the Covid pandemic.
And thus Biden was not encouraging live attendance at his campaign rallies.
Similarly he was encouraging mail in voting.
But whatever, the USA electoral system is shonky.
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Seedy:
Yes, I know that the Democrats were blaming the Covid cases on Trump, because they could hardly campaign on the economy (before) nor the lack of foreign wars. But Health is supposedly a State matter, and 7 out of the worst 8 (when I checked) were Democrat States.
A sort of misdirection that reminds me of the latter Whitlam year when the Murdoch press were being critical of him. It was said “If Whitlam walked across Sydney Harbour from Kirribilli to the Opera House The headline would be “Whitlam can’t win”.
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Sorry ‘swim’ not ‘win’.
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Lance posted an important comment on this site earlier today on the US Constitution and days remaining to resolve this issue (or not). His summary:
“I seriously doubt the Legal Challenges will be resolved in the remaining days:
18 days remain until each Governor is required to Certify his State’s Electoral Votes.
24 Days remain until the electoral votes must be read in the Congress.
27 days remain until DNI must file the election interference report.
These dates cannot be changed.
It is going to be interesting, no doubt. But it will happen on the schedule defined by the Constitution. Like it or not.”
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Thanks Alice,
Lance made some very important points about the time table.
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Are time constraints a serious problem for Trump?
The states in question have republican legislatures and I think it is the legislatures that have the last word. If the vote is in serious dispute and cannot be confirmed then that state sends no electors. If that happens in enough states then neither candidate crosses the threshold of 270. BTW The state legislature has constitutional power to tell it’s electors who to vote for if the vote is deemed invalid, and after Hillary’s aborted attempt to coax electors to be “unfaithful” they don’t have the choice to be faithless.
If that happens each state has one vote in the house and a clear majority of states have republican run houses.
Maybe we won’t All be rooned!
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The beauty of Rudys speech was to throw it all back on the MSM, the MSM then had the choice of do we continue to smokecreen this or do we report what they are actually saying ergo report on the fact that there was an unexplained 173K vote dump at 4 AM in Michigan which was counted without observers (no need to mention fraud etc) just report the facts.
The MSM response: Rudy is a crackpot conspiracy theorist putting at risk the democracy of the USA
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I don’t think the MSM can ever be saved. They produce content that annoys their audience and ultimately, their advertisers. And when faced with ratings figures showing their product stinks they simply produce more of it. Big media is a weird beast.
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Deano I agree with you. MSM has sold it’s soul to the Left. There is no such thing as journalism or fair reporting. Every “news” story now is tied to an agenda or the news is purposely ignored.
In Trumps case, he called them out early and they despise him. Any reporting about Trump now includes comments and phrasing that suggests he’s a liar, mentally unglued, near to a raging breakdown, in complete turmoil, etc. His entire successful first term has had to fight a steep up-hill battle against a relentless MSM.
MSM narrative is why we have such a divided public right now. The people that see through the MSM bias, love Trump. The people that do watch the MSM especially CNN and MSNBC are for the most part completely brainwashed by the constant echo chamber. To demonstrate that just try to initiate a conversation with anyone that dislikes Trump. You’ll hear the same accusations: Liar, unglued, unfit, etc. If you offer a different viewpoint you’ll quickly find them screaming at you. It’s the same with climate change acolytes.
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No one listens to the MSM any more….
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“Where’s the evidence?”
Well, here’s a start. Source: an affidavit filed on 17 November by election-fraud expert, Russ Ramsland. After a forensic examination of voting patterns in Michigan, he concluded:
2/ “My colleagues and I… have studied… the November 3, 2020, election results. Based on the significant anomalies and red flags that we have observed, we believe there is a significant probability that election results have been manipulated within the Dominion/Premier system in Michigan.”
3/ “There are a stunning 3,276 precincts where the Presidential Votes Cast compared to the Estimated Voters based on Reported Statistics ranges from 84% to 350%… reveals 431,954 excess ballots.. This pattern strongly suggests that the *additive algorithm* was activated.”
4/“Until the tabulated voter turnout reached approximately 83%, Trump was generally winning between 55% and 60% of every turnout point. Then, after the counting was closed at 2:00 am, the situation dramatically reserved itself, starting with a series of impossible spikes.”
5/ “The final red flag is perhaps the greatest. In the data are 4 spikes totalling 384, 733 ballots allegedly processed in a combined interval of only 2 hours and 38 minutes. This is physically impossible given the available equipment at the 4 reference locations.”
Check it out at Gateway Pundit.
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Interesting. points
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Interesting allegations.
Of course, evidence is still required.
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Evidence.
Item 3
350% of the voters registered in one area turned out to vote.
That ballot is obviously seriously incorrect.
That “fact” cannot be denied and the vote is invalid.
KK
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OK he is some soft p@rn fraud for you.
Thousands of mail in ballots were returned to the election center the day BEFORE they were posted out to the voter, obviously this is not evidence because the democrats have invented time travel
Thousands of ballots were sent out to voters and returned by mail on the same day of the election, this is not evidence of fraud because the USPS is the most efficient in the world….ever
Time to pull head out of bucket of sand people
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Thanks Keith.
What you have there is a statement.
Can you please provide a link to data which can show this?
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Certainly,
Item 3
https://joannenova.com.au/2020/11/teh-battle-for-the-republic-this-is-the-1775-of-our-generation/#comment-2380572
KK
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Worth a read if you are genuinely interested in seeing all sides of this argument. (Yes, I know many of you will not bother, you already know it all, etc. No need to tell me, I know that).
Rudy Giuliani press conference fact-checked: Do the Trump campaign’s claims have merit?
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-press-conference-factchecked-do-the-trump-campaigns-claims-have-merit/news-story/c284d6afc921d09942c43bc4d3e09f6c
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A sworn affidavit IS evidence. There are over 300 of them.
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Affidavits are of little consequence if they are like this one:
A mysterious truck delivered thousands of Biden ballots
Mr Giuliani’s version of the affidavit in question is actually quite a bit more sensational than what Ms Carone herself said.
“I never saw any food coming out of the vans. Coincidentally, it was announced on the news that Michigan had found over 100,000 more ballots, not even two hours after the last van left,” she testified.
So some vans showed up, Ms Carone never personally witnessed food being taken out of them, and later she learned Michigan had counted 100,000 more mail-in ballots on the news. That is the extent of her testimony regarding the truck.
She went on to say she witnessed “nothing but fraudulent actions take place” inside the vote counting centre.
“Ms Carone’s description of the events does not square with any of the other affidavits. There are no other reports of lost data, or tabulating machines that jammed repeatedly every hour during the count,” Judge Kenny said.
“Neither Republican nor Democratic challengers, nor city officials, substantiate her version of events. The allegations simply are not credible.”
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-press-conference-factchecked-do-the-trump-campaigns-claims-have-merit/news-story/c284d6afc921d09942c43bc4d3e09f6c
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My wife watches the goings on on every US YT Chanel, we had a big discussion about all the claims, I said to her, just show me one bit of evidence to back up the claims, just one.
I read all Jo’s posts and I believe its a fraudulent election, but all I have is a belief.
I will let the process play out and remain sceptical, this is now about election integrity.
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https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/11/trump-has-won-by-default-heres-why/
“Hence, the prematurely and illegitimately declared Biden victory is now null and void under the law.
“Therefore, President Trump has been elected by default for a second term beginning January 20, 2021.
………
“As soon as the first court decisions are handed down against the Democrats regarding the extraordinary amount of voter fraud and election theft, the preliminary electoral result will be vacated immediately. President Trump can then be certified as the President-elect and preparations can begin for his inauguration on January 20, 2021.
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I suspect that it’s more likely it’ll go to the House of Representatives, in accordance with the Constitution, to be resolved by a vote of the States.
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Except that the federal judge dismissed the lawsuit on Thursday. The affidavit was based on data from municipalities actually located in Minnesota, not Michigan – hence the red flags.
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I believe the steady but slow inflow of legal cases and evidence is tactics for running out the clock for Trumps Executive Order created in 2018,
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/executive-order-imposing-certain-sanctions-event-foreign-interference-united-states-election/
And a rundown of this order by Sidney Powell https://twitter.com/Q17Follow/status/1329518320006160384
And considering Trump has already declared a state of emergency relating directly to this Executive Order I’d say certain people should be very nervous.
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Yonnie, the first link you gave is dramatic.
Watching Trump getting belted around by anybody and everybody I wondered how he could possibly be called a dictator. In real dictatorship Pelosi’s and Schumer’s faces would be on milk cartons. That EO indicates to a non-legally trained guy that he does indeed have some power. I hope so.
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Prominent mathematician flags up to 100 000 Pennsylvania ballots.https://twitter.com/PandaTribune/status/1329647222003294209
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Item 3 and item 6. Yer can’t have more votes than voters.
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Thought process of a lefty
If i run away from this site as fast as my little legs can carry me and never do another drive by again and stick to my leftist echo chamber i can then employ my masterful skills of cognitive dissonance and pretend i never saw what Betheserf just said.
There is no evidence, there is no evidence, there is no evidence…..we are off to see the wizard the wonderful wizard of OZ, God give me strength……………
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crakar24, I’m no lefty, but I am wanting to see some evidence.
I’m not going anywhere, I’ll be waiting in here.
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Indeed Beth,
That might have been a problem for Hiliary in 2016. Trump win was too large. They could not create more votes than voters.
It was not a problem in the 2020 election because of postal voting. They could create as many votes as needed after the event.
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Hit the wrong colour.
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Beth…they only have to prove *one* case of fraud against the Dems, and by law, DJT wins by default.
The Left are in a blind panic…
Enjoy….
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… Beth, you can if you enlist the assistance of the dead.
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“where’s the evidence?”
Seems like there is way more evidence of vote tampering this election than there was of Trump/Russia ‘collusion’.
Didn’t even know ‘collusion’ was a crime.
Progressives contribute so much to the evolution of the language.
I was ‘privileged’ to learn the term ‘BIPOC’ just the other day.
Hunter’s bank account … guessing there’s some ‘evidence’ in there.
We had a 3 year investigation and impeachment hearing without evidence.
Why all this sudden concern with evidence?
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Because, otherwise all you have are some amazingly far fetched stories, and the impression that Rudy is a crackpot.
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Sarcasm? … moi?
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Jo, if I may, a couple of quotes from history that should illuminate the the incredible coup-de-tat that is taking place in the USA:
“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.”
Marcus Tullius Cicero
“Treason doth never prosper, what’s the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason”
John Harington 17th C
Thank you.
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None dare call it conspiracy….
Call it conspiracy.
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Interestingly, so far, only three proofs. One in arizona, two in Penn, have been found.both states perps had voted for donnie. I have not read of forensics done on the machines yet. Or the state servers, or party servers. But, computers and servers after the election is generally not done, nor are checks of the software done.
Oh, we are a representative democracy, we vote for a representative. It’s not the same as a democracy. After all, is said and done, the representative has their own agenda.
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******EVIDENCE********
I appreciate those asking for evidence are intellectually lazy, with that in mind i have tried to do as much leg work as possible.
The below link is to the Michigan voting data, THE Michigan voting data
https://www.waynecounty.com/documents/clerk/nov20_votestats.pdf
Firstly let me set the scene, Trump was winning this state when republicans were told “go home we are stopping the count until the next day” Unbeknownst to them 173K votes appeared in the dead of night and were counted by the Democrats without Republican observation. Some may say this is against the rules invalidating the vote which is very true but we are looking for evidence of fraud so lets move on.
Page 1 to 92 shows the following data:
Precinct/Registered voters/ Cast vote/Voters cast/ % Turnout This is great info for the data guys and it shows us great detail in the voting trends, from page 92 onward we have the AVCB data. AVCB means Absence Voter Counter Boards or simply absentee vote, each absentee vote should be accounted for by a precinct however in this case we have thousands of votes which tell us:
Precinct (AVCB)/Registered voters (0)/ Cast vote(Xn)/Voters cast(Xn)/ % Turnout (N/A)
Questions:
1, How can you have an absentee vote with zero registration?
2, How can you have absentee votes not tied to a precinct?
And finally how can you ascertain this is a valid vote without this information?
Getting back to the mysterious 173K vote ballot, if you (and i know you wont) count how many AVCB vote there are the grand total comes to…………………………………………………………..drum roll……………………………………………………………………..more drum roll……………………………………………wow this must be important………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. yes you guessed it 173.000 votes. Coincidence? I think not.
Sp we have 173K mysterious votes appear in the middle of the night that cannot be traced fo rverification and two brave people refused to certify the vote and the a$$hole left that —YOU represent have dne nothing but abuse and vilify.
No matter what the result you will you will never win the onservative movement will not allow the tryanny you peddle to take root in this country or any other free and democratic society.
Now quick run away to your safe space and have a cry
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seriouly moderation under thee conditions what a crock
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******EVIDENCE********
I appreciate those asking for evidence are intellectually lazy, with that in mind i have tried to do as much leg work as possible.
The below link is to the Michigan voting data, THE Michigan voting data
https://www.waynecounty.com/documents/clerk/nov20_votestats.pdf
Firstly let me set the scene, Trump was winning this state when republicans were told “go home we are stopping the count until the next day” Unbeknownst to them 173K votes appeared in the dead of night and were counted by the Democrats without Republican observation. Some may say this is against the rules invalidating the vote which is very true but we are looking for evidence of fraud so lets move on.
Page 1 to 92 shows the following data:
Precinct/Registered voters/ Cast vote/Voters cast/ % Turnout This is great info for the data guys and it shows us great detail in the voting trends, from page 92 onward we have the AVCB data. AVCB means Absence Voter Counter Boards or simply absentee vote, each absentee vote should be accounted for by a precinct however in this case we have thousands of votes which tell us:
Precinct (AVCB)/Registered voters (0)/ Cast vote(Xn)/Voters cast(Xn)/ % Turnout (N/A)
Questions:
1, How can you have an absentee vote with zero registration?
2, How can you have absentee votes not tied to a precinct?
And finally how can you ascertain this is a valid vote without this information?
Getting back to the mysterious 173K vote ballot, if you (and i know you wont) count how many AVCB vote there are the grand total comes to…………………………………………………………..drum roll……………………………………………………………………..more drum roll……………………………………………wow this must be important………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….. yes you guessed it 173.000 votes. Coincidence? I think not.
So we have 173K mysterious votes appear in the middle of the night that cannot be traced for verification and two brave people refused to certify the vote and the left that —YOU represent have done nothing but abuse and vilify.
No matter what the result you will you will never win the conservative movement will not allow the tyranny you peddle to take root in this country or any other free and democratic society.
Now quick run away to your safe space and have a cry
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Thanks crakar24. Something to look at rather than excited videos and wild list of allegations!
That link is interesting. Unregistered voters recorded as voting. ((Scroll to the end of the document, then page up. Question, why were there absolutely zero registered voters in so many precincts?
Here is a story which backs this:
https://epochtimes.today/thousands-of-unregistered-people-allowed-to-vote-by-mail-in-detroit-poll-watcher-alleges/
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That’s the fraud mate right there 173k votes 97% to Biden totally untraceable
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crakar24
Some more numbers/discrepancies in the attached.
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/11/do-trumps-lawyers-know-what-they-are-doing.php
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Mods please raise your game, we are not talking about ECS or some dodgy reef study this is far more important than that its time to thumb your nose at the hard left censorship for example the $ symbol is a universal swap for the letter S for Gods sake.
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This blog from Denise Simon gives a detailed humbsdown to the whole US voting experience
https://founderscode.com/dominion-smartmatic-it-is-a-mess-here-are-some-top-details/
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Test Test. Test.
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I’m sure there were many more posts on this thread earlier today…
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And then there were many….
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Dominion backs out of hearing and lawyers-up:
https://amgreatness.com/2020/11/20/dominion-voting-systems-lawyers-up-abruptly-backs-out-of-pa-state-house-fact-finding-hearing/
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Great find MarkD , you do have to wonder why they backed out and headed for the lawyers and silence if nothing to hide .
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“It’s in the code: Trump won Michigan and Wisconsin”
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/11/its_in_the_code_trump_won_michigan_and_wisconsin.html
Via Tip of the Spear
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Here is the left’s no response to the sctual arguments, termed fact checking:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/11/19/fact-checking-craziest-news-conference-trump-presidency/
Nothing but denial and avoidance, with a smattering of half truths. I did like the true part where they say a lot of this was coming from “the Internet and right wing blogs” as though this was a criticism. This is where the work is being done. The legacy press is certainly not investigating.
They never present the well known arguments we discuss here, especially the huge vote switch and lost numbers. If those numbers are wrong, or innocent, just say how? Trump tweeted about them so it is not like they are unknown, just not mentioned. Stonewalling is not a counter argument.
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Words from a cartoon sent in an email
He, peering around his paper
“This bloody paper’s half the size it used to be”
She – “Of course dear. They used to publish both sides of a story”
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Georgia just did a hand recount of 5 million votes.
Zero machine induced errors were found.
A few human errors in strong republican countries meant some ballots were not counted.
It is so sad to see a blogger that I used to respect fall for the delusional nonsense being peddled by Trump and his sycophants.
The entire debate reminds me of arguing with 9/11 truthers.
Same obsession with debunked factoids.
Same unhindged belief that a massive conspiracy involving hundreds of people could exist with zero proof.
Same refusal to accept more plausible explanations for the available facts.
You people are destroying democracy and civil society.
Putin and Xi are laughing.
[Georgia did not even check signatures. Whitewash recount. The people usurping democracy are the ones rushing things through because they are too scared to do a proper recount/legal disclosure. Two-comment-Tim has probably been reading this blog for five minutes. – Jo]
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Surely it is impossible to check signatures on a recount.
The nature of the vote is supposed to be anonymous.
Once signatures are checked and votes are removed from the envelopes, that is the last time the two are associated. After that you just have bundles of tabulated votes.
…. but I’m pretty sure you all know that, right? And Rudy knows that, right?
This one is obviously just one more hyped up story for the uneducated mobs.
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1) I have been reading your blog since I got interested in climate science 10-12 years ago (can’t remember when you started your blog). So I am sincere when I said I used to respect your opinion. Not any more. You can choose not believe me but I don’t really care. It just proves how delusional you have become if you think everyone who disagrees with you is a liar.
2) You statement on signatures is deliberately misleading. Georgia law requires that a signature and id check be done when you apply for the ballot and again when the ballot is received. Once the ballot is opened it is separated from the envelop because Georgia law protects the secrecy of everyone’s ballot. This means it is not possible to check the signatures a third time during the audit nor is reasonable to expect the signatures to be checked a third time. More importantly, the same problem exists with walk in ballots. Do we really know that poll workers properly checked the id of all of the walk in ballots? If you want to audit the signature checks a third time you should be demanding that the records of the walk in id checks be audited as well. Why aren’t you?
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Dearest Tim, can I suggest you try to differentiate yourself from the other 30 people in the last week turn up with the same pattern– that they’re dedicated fans, never commented or emailed, they use a free anon email address. Like you they really enjoyed all my posts pointing out how corrupt and unscientific the collectivist policies are for 12 years, but this one time, for the first time, they think Biden and the globalists deserve the benefit of the doubt, the assumption it was a fair election, especially when there is “no evidence”, or words to that effect. Despite the hundreds of affidavits and mathematical improbabilities they say we should wait for evidence.
As to signatures in Georgia, thanks for the extra detail. Perhaps you should advise the Georgia Governor of how it works. He thinks it’s worth doing a sample audit of the signatures
Georgia Governor Calls for Audit of Signatures on Ballot Envelopes
As for the great signature checks in GA — like so many other states they chucked out the Rep observers. So they should chuck out all the votes that couldn’t be checked as they came in.
https://www.fox5atlanta.com/news/giuliani-recount-in-georgia-means-nothing-because-of-ballot-signatures
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Well put Jo.
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What’s it like working for Google, I hear pay and conditions are good.
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MP
I dunno MP.
I do know what it is like to do my own thinking and research.
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I was replying to Tiny Tim
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Some words need emphasis here:
Breitbart has the 9 key points from this press conference:
Observers were allegedly prevented from watching mail-in ballots being opened.
Allegedly unequal application of the law in Democratic counties
Voters allegedly arrived at the polls to discover other people had voted for them.
Election officials were allegedly told not to look for defects in ballots, and to backdate ballots.
Ballots casting votes for Joe Biden and no other candidates were allegedly run several times through machines.
Absentee ballots were accepted in Wisconsin without being applied for first.
There were allegedly “overvotes,” with some precincts allegedly recording more voters than residents, among other problems.
Voting machines and software are allegedly owned by companies with ties to the Venezuelan regime and to left-wing donor George Soros.
The Constitution provides a process for electing a president if the vote is corrupted.
The most important one is the very first: Breitbart
Bannon (executive chairman of Breitbart News at the time) stated in 2018: “The real opposition is the media. And the way to deal with them is to flood the zone with shit.”
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FYI: https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/us-politics/rudy-giuliani-press-conference-factchecked-do-the-trump-campaigns-claims-have-merit/news-story/c284d6afc921d09942c43bc4d3e09f6c
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Now all they have to do is demonstrate to a court that any of those allegedlies actually occurred.
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A sworn affidavit is most commonly used in a court case for the purpose of providing evidence about facts pertaining to the case.
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Yes indeed, Jo, it would be 1775 in reverse were Trump somehow now to overturn both the popular vote and the Electoral College through fraudulent court proceedings:
“…the core democratic concept that America gifted to the world in 1800 – when John Adams lost his election to Thomas Jefferson and peacefully handed over the reins of power – was going to wither, undermining democracy movements across the globe.”
https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/us-news/us-election/2020/11/18/trump-us-election-democracy/
…while Trump’s bottom-dwelling-scum-sucker shows again his sartorial elegance in public:
https://www.tastefullyoffensive.com/2020/11/did-giuliani-just-blow-his-nose-and-wipe-his-snot-all-over-his-face/
If this were anyone else other than a Trump sycophant you’d be all over it like a bull being shown a red rag, Jo!
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Mitt Romney, a senator for Utah and the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, broke ranks with Trump last Thursday. He said: “Having failed to make even a plausible case of widespread fraud or conspiracy before any court of law, the president has now resorted to overt pressure on state and local officials to subvert the will of the people and overturn the election. It is difficult to imagine a worse, more undemocratic action by a sitting American president.”
BIDEN WINS! Yee Ha!
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/nov/20/trump-michigan-republicans-election
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I’m not a law person but what seems to be missed by a great number of commentators’ opinions in the MSM, on blogs, farsebook, and twitterers is that sworn affidavits presented to a court of law is evidence.
From https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/affidavit
From https://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-a-sworn-affidavit.htm
Indeed this is common to most countries that have derived some aspects of their statues from English law. In Australia (from https://lawhandbook.sa.gov.au/ch13s07s08.php )
So both Rudy Giuliani and Sydney Powell do have evidence, as voluntary given affiants’ sworn testimonies, evidence which (just like physical evidence) can be tested to verify it’s bona fidis by the law courts.
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Affadavits can be used when the information is otherwise unattainable. If we’re talking bout living and breathing Americans, then generally they will be expected to take the stand to provide evidence, to put them under oath and allow crossexamination.
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NO!
A sworn affidavit is most commonly used in a court case for the purpose of providing evidence about facts pertaining to the case.
Your provide no evidence that your opinion has any merit.
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See reply #6.2.2.1 above.
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“The Law is an Ass”
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Quote from the *republican* judge tossing out Trump last large suit in Pennsylvania:
That is his 30th loss in court.
What is it going to take to convince you people that Trump is a con-man seeking to sow chaos by manipulating his followers because he can’t accept that he lost?
BTW: signature arguments aside: the Georgia hand audit of 5 million machine counted ballots does prove beyond any reasonable doubt that these election machines count the votes accurately. Any claims of corrupt machines based on dodgy statistical analysis should be treated like a Mannian paleo-reconstruction.
[Tim, why are you compelled to so vigorously argue when these things will work themselves out? Are you afraid of something worse than a fraudulent vote result? Do you love Joe Biden so much that you are willing to tolerate all possibility of dishonesty in getting his win?] ED
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The GA Audit proves nothing. We already know that the machines can change the paper ballot record after the last time the voter sees it. So crooked e votes match crooked paper. So what? Ballots and envelopes were separated without observers. The question is not “did they cheat” it’s “how much”?
As I posted before on Nov 13 2020 (before you started reading the site perhaps?)
You are also wrong about the Trump cases. Most were filed by angry citizens, not the Trump team.
PS: Voting machines should be treated like Mannian Bristlecone claims. Any skeptic would know that.
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If hundreds of people cheating to stop a “Nazi Racist Billionaire” is an unbelievable conspiracy what is 11,000 people reporting problems with votes and signing affidavits? Why is Dominion closing offices, why are their engineers based in Serbia? Why are whistleblowers coming forward even though they are afraid for their lives?
You are the one posing an unbelieveable conspiracy. All those people — “liars”?
Democrats believe in “a means to an ends” and their DJT irrational hate makes it easy to believe that noble cause corruption might lead many astray.
All it takes for mass delusion is a religion. “No rational foundation” indeed.
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JoNova you did a surprisingly good job expanding this website into COVID, which is science related, and U.S. Election Fraud, which is not.
Also a big risk when the election fraud complaints and high percentage of absentee ballots were unprecedented — the two are related — so who could possibly be an expert on the subject.
I fear six weeks after the election is far too little time to investigate and delay the electors … and even worse, with no prosecutions for November 3, the Georgia Senator run-off will be won by two Democrats. Not honestly, of course, but Democrats want power, not honest elections. It would be amazing if they failed in Georgia with that run-off election — it’s their last battier to a no filibuster rule, packed supreme court, socialist nation.
Considering the lying, fake charges and character attacks on Trump for the past five years, only a fool would expect an honest run-off election in Georgia.
Trump has had two great accomplishments, in my opinion:
— He forced Democrats to show us what socialists and horrible people they are, and
— He fast tracked several COVID vaccines, that I hope will work.
Unfortunately, Trump fought the Deep State Democrats, and the Deep State Democrats won.
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Evidence?
In these post Justice Brett Kavanaugh hearing days,we are operating under the stated rules of the Demons..I mean Democrats.
All we need ,to leap straight to judgement,is an accusation by a credible female accuser.
This was good enough for our progressive comrades infesting the Democrat Party,Media and other effete elites.
We told them they would not like these new rules.
So This lawyer is definitely female,certainly credible by normal human standards and accusations she is making..
So straight to the hanging we shall proceed,as approved by all our lefty idiots..
Slow Joe Biden is the beneficiary of corrupt practises,intending to deny American Citizens their civil rights.
So ,under the Progressive Rules,that means death by firing squad,with his fair trial occurring much later..
Funny how stupid evil people are.
The naked lust for power is an automatic reason to reject persons seeking positions of authority.
The fool and the bandit confuse the power of a position of public trust and shun the responsibility,believing they shall rule,rule people who only gave grudging consent to being governed.
Same fools who are abusing the current pandemic,where a flu with 98-99 % probability of survival ,is a “international crisis”.
The bright side is this Wuhan Flu has focused the spotlight on bureaus of serial incompetents and the quivering politicians who seek to hide behind “the experts”.
The “cure” for covid?
Fire all civil servants.
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More 9/11 truther nonsense. Any evidence that shows your inane conspiracy theories to be wrong is met is even more complex and implausible conspiracy theories.
There is ZERO evidence that machines in Georgia did not correctly count votes.
As for your insinuation: yes I am worried that the Trump’s demagoguery will trigger crisis as the court cases play out and Biden is confirmed but Trump’s sheeple resort to violence. I already see people on these blogs claiming that judges can’t be trusted because they keep tossing out these ridiculous suits. I see today that Trump observers in Wisconsin are acting in bad faith trying to toss out as many ballots as possible (one apparently argued that an entire bag of ballots be tossed out because they were folded).
The most pathetic thing about Trump supporters is how little they care about protecting the right of everyone’s right to vote and have their vote counted. If they can find an excuse to throw out a legal ballot due to a technicality they will. Crap like this is why I feel Trump supporters are the most morally bankrupt people I have ever encountered.
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So you have nothing to refute my comment. Your apology is accepted.
Must have been hard reading all the pro-Trump posts here in the last five years.
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Were winning it seems…Tim has turned up….
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Hi Jo
Just a word of caution on accepting what Sydney Powell is putting out. She is a high end lawyer used to dealing with big government and corporations. She is more than likely using a tactic of making big claims, hinting at the possession of evidence and hoping that a whistle-blower from the inside will provide what she is looking for. What you might call a fishing expedition.
If she has the evidence for what she says she would have put her claims in one of the many law suits being run, yet she hasn’t. Nor has she presented this evidence to the press in any form. Tucker Carlson, to the outrage of his viewers, warned about what Powell was up to last week calling on her to stump up some substantial proof of her claims. So far nothing. She may be on to something big but until evidence is presented we should not hold out too much hope.
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omg this site is being shut down. everybody go on the strategic defensive
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Um…..nothing has changed except desperate and shrill Left wing supporters turn up more frequently, trying to discourage us enjoying the coming legal furestorm which, in all likelyhood, will burn the Left to the ground as a political force for multiple generations….
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Has this topic lost posts? Could have sworn it had more posts last night?
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