It was ten degrees below normal at Scott Base, in June, and usually July is the coldest month.
Pitch black, minus 81C and a howling wind.
Scott Base crew enduring near-record breaking Antarctica winter – 10C colder than usual
Spare a thought for the hardy crew who are wintering down in Antarctica, experiencing near-record breaking cold temperatures.
They’ve come very near to the coldest ever recorded temperature of -89.6C.
Cap Allon at Electroverse points out that some of that Global Warming has made it up to New South Wales where it had the coldest June day in 122 years two weeks ago.
A few weeks before that, Dunedin Airport New Zealand hit a record of minus 8.8C in May. It was the coldest day ever recorded there in any month since records started in 1963. One cold day doesn’t mean a lot climate wise, but if Antarctica was close to record warmth would most of the worlds media have barely said a word?
Remember the poles are warming twice as fast as the rest of the world.
ht Climate Depot and Electroverse
Bloody cold in the Waikato valley this morning. I have lit the fire.
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The headlines here in the US are “record hottest”.
All ‘records’, low or high, will be attributed to anthropogenic origins.
No matter the ‘records’ are inaccurate, unreliable, and lack historical depth.
We are not engaged in a scientific debate.
It’s a religious conflict.
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It is actually both, scientific and ideological, which makes it really complex. (I think ideological is more accurate than religious.) Especially when we get fantastical physical claims with no scientific basis. For example a recent poll indicates that a lot of people think human extinction from human caused climate change is a real possibility. Extinction from droughts and floods? From sea level rise? Heat waves? Makes no sense at all. Not science for sure, not even alarmist science.
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About Covid but there is more a religious bent in the news than just ideological.
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Where is the religious aspect? Which god is invoked?
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Which god is invoked? Gaia.
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So pantheism. But I do not see anyone saying the gods are speaking to them or to us. Barely a religion, if that.
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David, there are some godless religions like Buddhism for example, although it does have a mythical cosmology. I think William’s more general point is that environmental extremism, like Extinction Rebellion, has a mythology of: ‘recant and repent for your profligate ways to save life on Earth’. This mythology is being taught to my grandchildren. And woe be tied me if I try to enlighten them that scientism is not science.
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Gaia is but one. It doesn’t matter which deity or even if one is called out. Truth is it is a religion. Even if you can’t see it.
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David, I think what is meant is that AGW is a belief system, held by many who just accept what they are told to believe. It may not be a religion, but religious beliefs and an unsupported belief system are very similar.
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Computer models. Modern deities. They will tell us when and if we have sacrificed sufficiently.
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Kevin
Way back in BC in Ariadne’s column in the New Scientist (could have been late 1960’s – early 1970’s) there was speculation on how a computerised religion would go. Things I remember:-
It would have mores about directly opposite to those of its potential congregation
It would issue through its speakers edicts of the fire and brimstone flavour
It would hand out random cash inducements on the premium bond principle
And the speculation was on how many would be recruited even when they knew that the hardware was Brand X and the software was written by Joe Fiddler
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He is arguing that contradicting him is blasphemy. The God is science and Fauci its prophet. Its not about believing that science is the best method to find the truth, its using the label as some sort of supernatural verification.
He does go on to try to justify it on the grounds that he changed his mind on masks based on a change of data, and that is why its science and he is not to be criticised for changing his mind. It kind of ignores that there was no new study that contradicted an older one. It was purely a change of mind taking into consideration many things other than their effectiveness in stopping the wearer inhaling the virus.
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The poll of 30,000 respondents did state many thought many thought human extinction from human caused climate change is a real possibility but it also stated a number of other interesting findings from the poll. Some of these are below
That climate change is happening and that humanity is at least partly responsible is a view held by the majority across the world. Indians are the most likely to think that human activity is the main reason the climate is changing, at 71%.
At 35% Norwegians and Saudi Arabians are the least likely to think this, although a further 36% and 48% respectively in each country think that humanity is partially responsible for the changing climate.
The figures for Australia are 44% think humans are mainly responsible for the changing climate with 43% thinking they are partly responsible. 5% of Australians think humanity is not at all responsible and 5% think the climate is not changing. Respective figures for the USA are 38%, 37%, 9% and 6% and for the UK are 51%, 37%, 3% and 2%.
29% of Australians think climate change will have a great deal of impact on their lives with 37% thinking it will have a fair amount of impact. Respective figures for the USA are 24% and 31% and for the UK are 17% and 34%.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/science/articles-reports/2019/09/15/international-poll-most-expect-feel-impact-climate
A word of caution David Wojick:
Previously I have been berated for making “a comment based on a Lowy poll. A poll of ignorant clueless left-wing clots like you.”
I trust you will not be included in any such adverse comments I receive for quoting figures from this poll to which you originally drew .attention.
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good luck with that
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Wow, thanks Ian! I had lost that poll and really wanted it. Note that many skeptics will pick partly human because no human effect is a very strong claim. I make it but many leading skeptics do not. So these numbers do not tell us what fraction are skeptics of actionable AGW. My estimate for the US is roughly 50% and a number of polls agree. This is why Biden’s radical agenda has zero chance in Congress.
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Yes David, that poll has one of the same problems as the 97 percent studies; a complete failure to address the “C” in CAGW. Many skeptics accept that humans have an influence on climate, including me. Land Use affect, UHI, small CI2 affects, etc…
There are other fatal flaws to the 97 percent studies.
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Yawn, a poll relying on general unawareness of the general public.
A poll indicating how effective, or not, climate propaganda has been.
Polls are not science, but seem to be all you have.
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I am far more interested in policy than science and what voters think affects policy. Happily about half the US voters are skeptics. Polls tell me this and it is important to know, for me anyway, because I influence policy at least a little. If it were not for the policy issues I would have zero interest in climate science.
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But that policy is dictated by polls, which are nothing more than reflections of the effectiveness of propaganda.
Policy should be above those sort of forces, rather than built around them.
“If it were not for the policy issues I would have zero interest in climate science.”
You have just highlighted the big problem.
People in general don’t look at the lack of underlying science before they answer the polls.
They only respond with what they have been told by the flood of climate propaganda.
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“They only respond with what they have been told by the flood of climate propaganda.”
Indeed they do clarence.t and you fit snugly into that description.
And for your benefit my stance on climate change is that
the climate does change
there probably is a human effect but how small or large is that effect is not yet known.
we don’t know what we don’t know about factors that affect the climate
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We actually know a lot more than you are prepared to admit, the human effect on climate is negligible.
My hypothesis is that a plateau in world temperature lasting five more years, should theoretically bring an end to AGW alarmism in the MSM. What do you think?
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Poor Ian, you know you cannot produce the actual science to back up the “climate change™” agenda.
Your problem is that you don’t have the mental capability to see past the fact that you have been brain-washed by the crazy flood of propaganda on the MSM etc.
That propaganda seems to be all you have.
Yes climate has always changed..
Small step for you Ian.. first realisation…
Now produce the science that proves human CO2 is a major cause and that the slight change is something worth wasting trillions of dollars attempting to combat.
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“there probably is a human effect but how small or large is that effect is not yet known.”
“probably“… “not known”
Yet we decimate our electricity supply systems and waste huge amounts of money on erratic, intermittent wind and solar on a “probably” and a “not known”
You are not helping the AGW cause, Ian. !
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“Your problem is that you don’t have the mental capability to see past the fact that you have been brain-washed by the crazy flood of propaganda on the MSM etc”
I prefer reading the comments on sites like The Australian where irate Conservatives slaver (you might need to look that one up) at the mouth as they punch out on the computer protestations about CAGW and rant about the price of electricity which is, of course, the prime driving force behind the antipathy to AGW.
And as for the capability to “see past etc etc” I console myself by laughing at the sceptics who day by day see increasing numbers of Australians who believe in CAGW and want something done about it. They are in the majority in Australia and in fact, in most countries of the world
You’re on the losing side in this debate clarence.t. Your problem is that you don’t have the mental capability to see past the fact that you have been brain-washed by the crazy flood of propaganda on right wing MSM sites such as The Australian and The Daily Telgraph and The Herald Sun and The Courier Mail.
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Great to see you admitting that you avoid reading any actual science.
That has been obvious from the start.
Again, that plea to debate and consensus, and the pitiful comment copying.
Never a mention of the actual science. 😉
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“I console myself”
As you should, not having the ability to comprehend the lack of science backing the AGW conjecture…
… you have to fall back on uninformed opinion.
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“You’re on the losing side”
Nope..
… atmospheric CO2 keeps climbing, and nothing that happens in Australia will ever affect that.
https://climate.nasa.gov/internal_resources/1914/
So long as it keeps climbing, that’s a big thumbs up from me. ! 🙂
The AGW cabal have accomplished absolutely nothing in regards to global CO2 emissions…
…. if CO2 emission reduction was ever really their aim.
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Commercial FM radio networks keep a finger on the pulse of what their audience wants and I have noticed a change in their promotions recently. 5 or so years ago, they were pushing their green credentials – encouraging ‘Earth Hour’ participation and regularly having guests on to talk about environmentalism. Much of that has quietly been discontinued over the past year.
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I’d be much more likely to believe the climate is changing if somebody published figures for my area showing what the climate was 30 years ago and what it is now.
And then all the alarmists would have to do to get me on their side is to prove causation.
Shouldn’t be too hard.
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‘ … 29% of Australians think climate change will have a great deal of impact on their lives with 37% thinking it will have a fair amount of impact.’
Global cooling has begun but it won’t have much of an impact on Australia. Ski season might be extended.
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Its hot in the US west.
https://climateimpactcompany.com/daily-feature-another-extreme-heat-event-ahead-for-the-west-2/
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It’s summer, it does that.
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Yes but its a blocking high pressure doing the damage, which is a global cooling signal.
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Okay here we go again its an obviously cold beginning to winter in the Antarctic ,Australia and New Zealand.Well Global Warming (which supposedly kicked in or was “explained” by James Hanson 33 years -by definition one climate cycle) which had to morph into the nebulous Climate Change because the new paradigm in Post
Modern Science was definitely not fitting the bill -and now the lie about this whole fraud keeps being rammed down our throats by the MSM .
Meanwhile our salvation is being delivered to us through compliant Governments ( making poor people pay double and triple energy bills through subsidies -that allow wind farms and solar panels to exist that never would have in a free market)that are in cahoots with Crony Capitalists to scare the populous and “save the Planet” and lets all genuflect
to St Greta -who has probably experienced less science education than a kid in lower primary school or even Holywood activist actors.Well welcome to our brave New World
where obvious lies are the new truth and the obvious truth about the weather/climate are denied.
Cheers Mike Reed
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populace
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Carbon (sic) induced permanent drought update …
Atmospheric river set to deliver a deluge from coast to coast
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-22/weather-atmospheric-river-set-to-fuel-wet-week/100232244
>> The BoM’s David Jones blamed carbon (sic) once for the permanent drought in 2008.
Inconvenient to blame the cold rain on carbon (sic) this time?
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They didn’t mention that blocking high pressure is a sign of global cooling.
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Bloody poor quality river
http://forecasts.bsch.com.au/raincast.html
http://wxmaps.org/pix/prec7
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Weather and climate are two different things, except here
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The thing weather and climate have in common is the boffins can’t get either right.
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And you can?
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Yes sir, this is climate change.
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No they are not Pete. Weather is what happens on a daily/weekly basis, Climate is the average of weather over an extended period.
Well that is my interpretation, and I’m sticking to it.
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wow… way to take the bait.
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Yep, Peter walked straight into JoNova’s bait. 🙂
Hook, line, sinker, reel…
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“Weather and climate are two different things” except when a record high is set because it proves “Climate Catastrophe!”. Of course if a record low is set its just weather.
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Totally too correct (as Frank Zappa said). A single unusually warm day outside of summer triggers the ABC to trot out Tim Flannery to warn that such events will become more severe and regular. Record low temperatures are politely ignored like one of the Queen’s farts.
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“except here”
Peter is talking about in his own little fantasy world .. yet again.
Peter, please remember to make the same comment when we get some warm days in summer and BoM start sprouting their “hottest evah” nonsense. 😉
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BoM may well draw attention to hottest eval nonsense but I have yet to hear anyone from BoM or anywhere else stating “and the climate tomorrow will be ” but I have often heard it stated “the weather tomorrow will be”
Doesn’t that make you think there may be a distinction between weather and climate? On second thoughts I doubt that it does.
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they do make claims about the “climate” in many years time…
… despite the fact that they cannot tell the weather more than a few days out.
Thanks for drawing attention to their crystal ball gazing.
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that was not mean to be bold.. sorry !
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I did wonder what had gotten you excited, clarence.t.
Now I know.
Well, it’s definitely winter. The condensation on the car was frozen before midnight.
Clear sky, from a High Pressure system, and no wind; not even a puff of breeze.
John-in-NZ did warn me in Comment #1. I can say without fear of contradiction that Auckland NZ has a frost.
The Antarctica `Record Cold’ as reported yesterday by Lance, has finally made it North …
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Ian its generally accepted that weather is here and now and climate is 30 years. People recognise global warming signals in weather, but not global cooling signals.
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30 years is a poorly chosen metric! Wait a minute, it is an excellent method for deception on long term century plus scale signals. As there are common 30 to 40 year ocean basin patterns, which dominate GAT trends, then a minimum of 60 years and more like 120 to 150 years is needed for true direction. Why, because climate is a bunch of determinant teeter-todders moving up and down on 60 plus year scales, And it takes several of those dominates flux’s, in harmony with each other ( multiple in a cooling or a warming direction together) to make a strong trend, and if that directional harmony changes over such time scales, then so does the GAT.
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By definition weather refers to short term atmospheric conditions while climate is the weather of a specific region averaged over a long period of time. So climate is just weather over a larger region over a longer period. In practice though the proponents of the CAGW scam and hoax confuse the issue by deliberately distorting the data to tell lies about climate change of the past and the future but leave the present alone until it becomes the past then alter the data yet again to keep their lies afloat.
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I can’t see anywhere that anyone, except Peter, shows that they thinks this is anything but weather… 😉
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So not just a straw-man argument by Fitzy but completely ignores what was Jo’s explicitly stated opinion. No wonder he sees himself as an intellectual. He can’t lose an argument.
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Only people with high intellect differentiate between weather and climate. They then attempt to use this in order to ‘put down’ us ordinary folk who simply ask ‘what’s the weather like today?’
GeoffW
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It is generally accepted by meteorological organisations that weather is hour by hour or day by day, but climate is change over about 3 decades. Chalk and cheese!
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ROFL, you are very droll Peter F! It’s the warmists who call ONE hot day ‘climate change’ and weeks of the perishing cold stuff just ‘weather’.
I wonder why we have been through so much of our winter wood supply since April and are only just in calendar winter now. (As traditional Poms, we reckon the change of season is at the solstice!).
PS. I see there is an article re. panic stations about the warming Poles in The Australian; not read it yet.
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“I see there is an article re. panic stations about the warming Poles in The Australian; not read it yet.”
Don’t worry about it Annie as I’m sure it will be exactly what Conservatives want to read.
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If it were about panic about the polls.. that is more your style, Ian.
Only panic there can be about the poles, is how darn cold they still are..
that has the climate alarmists in a complete tizz. !
One mention of cold, and people like Peter and you go mental !!
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Annie, I have no idea why Australia decided to have artifical calender based seasons rather than solstice based seasons, but I still work with the solstices.
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William, Annie,
Australia’s timing makes pretty good sense if you define winter as the coldest quarter of the year rather than an astronomical highlight. Look at Sydney’s long term monthly average temperatures: May 19.5, Jun 17.0, Jul 16.4, Aug 17.9, Sep 20.1. June, July and August are coldest. If we slipped the start of winter 21 days we would get 21 extra days in September which is, on average, warmer than May. We’d be losing a whole 21 days in June, which is much colder than September.
No doubt the statistically “right” start date for winter would vary from place to place, but 1st June is easy to remember and nearer correct than the solstice.
All assuming winter is the coldest quarter.
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Actually, Robert S, I have noticed that. September can be very variable here. It has warm spells but also has cold ones. One year (1990 iirc) it was horribly cold and stormy when we arrived back from the UK. The great Dividing Range had a huge fall of snow. That was 13th of September.
However, I’ll continue, as an obstinate old Pom, to consider the solstices and equinoxes as the season changes while acknowledging that you do otherwise here DownUnder!
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Not to mention winter weather long before even June the 1st here!
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Annie, you’re very welcome to be the “obstinate old Pom”. The lecture was mainly aimed at helping William with his “no idea why”.
It doesn’t really make much difference when winter begins officially, as long as we can turn on the heating when it gets cold. A teacher friend of mine spent a year in China (20 years or so ago). Turning on the central heating was a government decision and my friend had resorted to wearing her ski gear indoors before they finally gave the nod.
How lucky are we that smart meters may make life in the “free world” just as comfortable.
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Annie
Remember those “tipping points” that are going to cause mayhem on Earth?
Seems every solstice is a tipping point and we have survived yet another
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Blocking highs have very low wind velocities
Making windmills virtually useless
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Annie, here in Perth we have six seasons as identified by the indigenous people. Whilst we follow the calendar, I have found the indigenous calendar more appropriate .
Dec-Jan -Dry and hot with the start of the easterly winds
Feb-March- Hottest part of the year and if you are near the coast an afternoon sea breeze
April -May -cooler weather begins with the first rains and winds from the south west
Jun-July- Coldest and wettest
Aug- Sept -Cold nights with a mixture of wet days and sunny days
Oct- Nov-warming with long dry periods
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“Weather and climate are two different things, except here.”
Not just here, Peter, but the 97% Australian Climate Commission no less …
2013: “A few years ago, talking about weather and [global warming] in the same breath was a cardinal sin for scientists.
Now it has become impossible to have a conversation about weather without discussing wider climate trends.
Previously ‘weather is not climate’ was the mantra, but now the additional boost from greenhouse gasses was influencing every event.” – Professor Will Steffen, report author.
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/trends-create-angry-summer-20130303-2fefl.html
>> Pro-tip: Copy-paste that link to your desktop on your computer so you don’t continue to make the same mistake of repeating failed junk 97% settled science mantras.
Oh … wait …
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So the wrongly spelled plural of gas is down to Will Steffen, the report’s author; unsurprisingly all of a piece, bad syntax and bad science.
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“Weather and climate are two different things, except here”
Point of clarification
That “here” is where you are?
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Now when there is an unusually hot weather event, this sit helpfully reminds us of hot it was on a single day in the 1930’s.
In that spirit, the coldest ever temp was -89.2 C back in 1983 (there are records of colder temps much earlier, but like those 1930’s hot temps cited here, they are considered unverified)
The hottest temp in the Antarctic was 20.7 in 2020
So max temps are rising, cold temps are declining, and this is not evidence of global warming
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Found this short abstract which reckons Antarctica has been cooling since the turn of the century.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0048969716327152
The polar vortex naturally strengthens in the Austral winter, so increasing cold air outbreaks should be expected.
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the Peninsula is only tiny tiny bit
The point is that record hot temps are clustered in the last 30 years, while record cold temps are way way back
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Again, Peter seems to ignore actual facts.
https://i.postimg.cc/DZt31Vkr/antarcticacooling.gif
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We know that the Peninsula is impacted by geothermal activity so if we look at East Antartica its surprisingly seasonal.
‘Antarctica’s average annual temperature ranges from about −10 °C on the coast to −60 °C at the highest parts of the interior.
‘Near the coast, the temperature can exceed +10 °C in summer and fall to below −40 °C in winter. Over the elevated inland, it can rise to about −30 °C in summer but fall below −80 °C in winter.’
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Not so
If you care to research not cherry pick, look at the WMO extreme temp records. Many more old high temps records , while cold temp records are relatively recent.
Exactly the reverse of what you are trying to spin
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I’m sure Peter just makes stuff up to suit his opinion.. (standard AGW MO)
Doesn’t seem to be able to produce anything to actually back it up.
Quite strange that he thinks people won’t look at the actual facts.
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They appeal to higher authority, while remaining ignorant of the science. How can we encourage them to discuss climate change science without political baggage?
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A cut off low is wedged between two blocking highs, too far south for this time of year.
http://www.bom.gov.au/fwo/IDY65100.pdf
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The fact we have people in all levels of governments who believe we can run our economy on 0% emissions and are actually going about with all sorts of plans to achieve that goal is IMHO an act of economic insanity if not purposely an act of treas0n. I look forward with great interest as to how the public will react once they understand this fact en mass. History tells us it won’t be a friendly reaction.
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‘I look forward with great interest as to how the public will react …’
Let us take it one step at a time, a continuation of the pause in world temperature must be causing some concern.
The way it should pan out, when the PDO goes negative and AMO drifts to neutral, it’ll be time to take revenge at the ballot box.
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Except all major parties follow the AGW scam to some extent..
… makes it difficult to “take revenge”
Somehow we have to get the Liberals to wake up to reality and to grow the cojones to say “NO”
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Fortunately I live in the bush and vote Nats. There are probably some Liberals who think like us, but have been cowered into submission.
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The divergence between temperature and action on climate change is becoming more clear. As the very modest warming trend seems to be going in reverse they don’t even bother to try to put up any argument. Climate action is necessary because of the science , whatever that means There are no governments in power willing to go against the global push for action so even in circumstances where voters have chosen conservative governments there is a huge pressure to push the alarmist agenda. The yearly pressure to update ones commitments to a new and more severe Paris agreement is seeing all governments looking to make such commitments as lukewarm as possible. With the clear majority of the media clearly barracking for greater action they present the idea that there is an overwhelming of majority support for action by global residents when the exact opposite is true. Most people’s attitude is that they couldn’t care less as long as they’re not affected. But as the new technologies fail to perform , lack of reliability and higher costs are making people suddenly question ,whether all this change is necessary. The global elites have been successfully putting out spot fires really since Climate Gate but the 2022 mid terms loom as a critical junction. Even with Trump in power they were able to steer their extreme agenda towards its goals and COVid has helped to create a compliant world response. If they lose control of the US the media will be neutered and the swamp properly drained. When a Trump inspired Republican presidential candidate gets into power in 2024 the momentum for action will be extinguished.
I hope this is the scenario because if it isn’t the prediction that the world is becoming uninhabitable may become true not due to climate change but due to authoritarian rule globally.
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I’m sure we have all seen the graph of CO2 concentration annotated with the various Climate Conference dates, showing their effect.
Sorry, can’t find the link.
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IIRC that might be from Tony Heller
Graph in here
https://realclimatescience.com/2021/05/an-inconvenient-climate/
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Thanks;
https://realclimatescience.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/05/ClimateTreaties.jpg
I now have acopy filed under AGW BS
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“However, in the last three winters (2017, 2018 and 2019) the subtropical ridge has been unusually strong,” said Dr Marshall.
“It has remained further south than usual, meaning that southern Australia has experienced prolonged high pressure that blocks cold fronts and winter westerlies. This leads to clear and dry conditions with warm days and frosty mornings.” (Climate Kelpie)
That was written this time last year and the only thing that has changed are the cut off lows. It might have something to do with SAM.
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‘Every now and then, a smaller pool of cold air at the edge of the polar vortex breaks away and heads north. This vagrant pool often causes a low pressure system to form about five to six kilometres above the ground, which is called a cut-off low.
When upper level cut-off lows move over Australia, the cold air they bring up from the Southern Ocean interacts with warmer air sitting over the continent and its surrounding oceans. This interaction triggers an outbreak of intense weather as the atmosphere tries to restore equilibrium.’
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Don’t forget the revolutionary new 97% carbon (sic) theory, the “Drought Vortex”.
Or, don’t let them forget.
2003: “Climatologists are desperately trying to explain the mystery of where southern Australia’s winter rainfall is going.
Now they have devised a revolutionary new theory to explain why.”
https://www.abc.net.au/catalyst/drought-vortex/11007620
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Ah yes, back to 2003, mostly propaganda but this caught my eye.
‘But now it appears the vortex is shifting gear, and is spinning faster and faster, and getting tighter. As it does it’s pulling the climate bands further south dragging rain away from the continent out into the southern ocean.’
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Everywhere is warming twice as fast as the average, according to the propaganda.
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But isn’t that somewhere else?
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Its just weather but we are forced to accept extreme policies on the basis of a degree warmer world, calculated by activists. Change we can apparently stick pour heads out the window and see when there are extremes of cold and heat much greater than one degree from the average, and drought and floods – like there has always been.
My old home town in inland Australia has more days in January over 40 C than within a degree of the long-term mean for the month (32). It forms a part of a record that is sparse and incredibly poor in most of the world. So unlikely to be accurate enough to be sure that the globe has warmed a whole degree since the industrial revolution, but more importantly, that the climate change is something other than natural oscillations.
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Low solar activity to last 30+ years
https://notrickszone.com/2021/06/20/researchers-foresee-weak-solar-cycles-until-2050-unwelcome-meteorological-and-climatic-consequences/
We will see more and more of these “cold” events as satellite derived global temperatures decline.
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Facts and models are poles apart!
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“Remember the poles are warming twice as fast as the rest of the world.”
I thought that Australia, the US, the Amazon, Russia, Germany, South Africa, the oceans, and many other regions were warming twice as fast as the rest of the world. ;-p
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I’ve seen reports that everywhere is. !
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AGW lore states that the coldest places will warm the fastest, so they have a problem explaining a colder South Pole. Antarctic sea ice is average for this time of year.
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… so we’ve got to ban the satellites?
They’re causing it all!
But we could wait until we have forest fires at the poles …
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-89C mmmm can see why the ice is melting so fast, yeah.
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Be great for freeze drying if only you could get a vacuum on the sample
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BoM’s seasonal forecast is wrong.
‘The Bureau of Meteorology (BOM) has said winter 2021 is likely to be warmer across much of Australia, including the capitals. There could even been a risk of bushfires in some areas.
‘It’s part of a warming trend that’s spanned the last two decades.’ (9News / May 29, 2021)
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maybe wait for winter to have actually occurred before calling this
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We are almost one month down and I’m confident it’ll be cooler and wetter than BoM’s seasonal forecast.
A new post by Andy May (wuwt) suggests that CO2 is a bit player.
‘Climate and climate change are regional, regardless of the cause. As already discussed, insolation affects the globe by latitude. Changing ocean currents, such as ENSO, and shifts in atmospheric phenomena like the ITCZ (Intertropical Convergence Zone) are regional. If CO2 dominates climate change, why aren’t the changes global?’
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Don Easterbrook agrees. CO2 is a “bit player.”
http://myweb.wwu.edu/dbunny/pdfs/CO2_atmospheric-carbon-dioxide.pdf
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Hmmm. I must have mistyped email? …and itya valiid one?
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Yup “bit player” it is.
http://myweb.wwu.edu/dbunny/pdfs/CO2_atmospheric-carbon-dioxide.pdf
And NASA knows that (jonova flashback)…
https://joannenova.com.au/2019/02/nasa-hides-page-saying-the-sun-was-the-primary-climate-driver-and-clouds-and-particles-are-more-important-than-greenhouse-gases/
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All variations on a medium term are ENSO related. This alludes to temperature mainly with onshore Pacific stream against a hot northwest regime. Basically that accounts for the difference between a hot summer and a cooler moister one.
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‘All variations on a medium term are ENSO related.’
That is true, but is it weather or climate?
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ASIDE – I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but…. CO2 freezes at -78.5 C.
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Would that have an impact on ice cores?
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none – el gordo, I will let you work out why all by yourself
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Its just that I’m having trouble reconciling this graph.
https://climate.nasa.gov/news/2535/satellite-data-confirm-annual-carbon-dioxide-minimum-above-400-ppm/
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Yes – in a pure CO2 environment at typical “air” pressure.
There is no CO2 snow in Antarctica.
There is no CO2 frost in Antarctica.
See https://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/13/results-lab-experiment-regarding-co2-snow-in-antarctica-at-113f-80-5c-not-possible/
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Very nice, Ric. Thanks.
Note – Even ice sublimates under those conditions.
https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-glaciology/article/sublimation-and-surface-energy-budget-of-taylor-glacier-antarctica/68BFAB12588AED915561A65113B32EEF
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CO2 of 1 atm pressure freezes at -78°C, CO2 of 400 ppm atm pressure freezes at -142°C
https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/647483/is-there-a-phase-diagram-for-rm-co-2-below-1-millibar?noredirect=1&lq=1
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‘Climate change will fundamentally reshape life on Earth in the coming decades, according to a landmark draft report from the UN’s climate science advisers.’ (Oz)
Global cooling will destroy the scientific paradigm, but apart from that there won’t be any reshaping.
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Weather is reality, climate is ‘the vibe’.
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People only think its warm because the constant propaganda tells them so.
Any person not listening to the wailing of the MSM and AGW carrying-on, would not have noticed any change in the climate at all.
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Heard a whisper today.
There is a draft report being prepared (4,000 pages) by IPCC that will be officially published in Feb 2022 after approval by consensus by 195 member states.
“Life on Earth can recover from major climate change by evolving into new species and creating new ecosystems” with a new 137 page technical summary.
The text also emphasises the danger of cascading effects. Some regions like East Brazil, Southeast Asia or Central China could be hit by three or four simultaneous weather disasters or even more: heat, drought, cyclones, fires, floods, mosquito-borne diseases.
dear dear dear
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So what was the humidity level?
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Well, the dew point (or frost point, a bit warmer) would be below -81°C. It hardly matters – there’s no useful water vapor well before that point.
Slightly more interesting might be “how long does it take for a -81°C ice cube (or Saturnian ring chunk) to sublimate in a vacuum?”
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I am about to post an article on PSI about the missing link, the Humidity levels are so important and have been ignored for so long.
H2O has this wonderful quality Anti-Gravity, well lets call it HEAT!
Regards from an old man.
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[…] JoNova; Global warming appears to have brought near record cold to Scott Base in Antarctica, which a few […]
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Getting back to the poll that Ian goes on about…
Respective figures for the USA are 38%, 37%, 9% and 6%
That is to say 6% of people in the U.S., plus or minus, think climate is not changing. Well, why would they believe otherwise. Here is what I observe about “climate” from where I sit. We still have winter low temps that plunge to -40F, and summer temps still do not rise above 94F. Our records were set in 1962 for record cold and 1979 for record high. Using 1960-1975 as a baseline we now have about one more winter in every 15 where the coldest winter temp does not reach -20F. We still have dry years, wet years, late frosts, early springs, early autumns, and so forth. The only reason people believe that climate is changing is because authority figures tell them so. There is no way they can possibly detect it themselves, and even if they had the instrumentation to do so, they might wonder if one-year in fifteen is a rock-solid indicator of real change.
Never has so much that is good been in danger of destruction over something so nearly invisible.
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That deserves repeating…
The only reason people believe that climate is changing is because authority figures tell them so.
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[…] h/t JoNova; Global warming appears to have brought near record cold to Scott Base in Antarctica, which a few days ago endured -81.7C / -115F, almost 4 degrees below the freezing point of Carbon Dioxide (-78C / -109F). […]
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NSW experiencing cold air from the north west.
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/synoptic.jsp?d=0
This cutoff low came from Antartica.
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I wonder if it will get as cold as it was a couple of weeks ago.
https://electroverse.net/sydney-coldest-day-in-37-years-nsw-coldest-june-day-in-122-years/
I’ll repeat that last bit… nsw-coldest-june-day-in-122-years
Global Warming strikes again 😉
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Its temporary, 122 years ago there was a Gleissberg Minimum.
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Cold Air Outbreaks
‘CAOs were found to have decreased in size, intensity, frequency, and duration across much of the globe, with the largest decreases in Alaska, Canada, and the North Atlantic, while an increase in CAOs was observed in Eastern Europe, Central Eurasia, and the Southern Ocean. Early and late winter CAOs have also become much less frequent in most regions.’
Smith and Sheridan 2020
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It seems that almost everyone on this thread believes that because there’s a little bit of cold weather in an Australian or Antarctic winter (shock!), then Global Warming is a hoax. Intellectual giants all, indeed.
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Non-thinking seems to be your meme, Tilba
You don’t need to prove you are an intellectual minnow.
Try getting off the climate kool-aide.
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