JoNova
A science presenter, writer, speaker & former TV host; author of The Skeptic's Handbook (over 200,000 copies distributed & available in 15 languages).
Jo appreciates your support to help her keep doing what she does. This blog is funded by donations. Thanks!
Follow Jo's Tweets To report "lost" comments or defamatory and offensive remarks, email the moderators at: support.jonova AT proton.me
Statistics
Just a reminder that Avatar: the way of water is now out on streaming platforms.😉
22
Thanks. I had forgotten.
25
GA,
I had forgotten before it was filmed. Geoff S
60
Jo and others upsetting people on twitter https://twitter.com/KetanJ0/status/1640819899718307843
Links to this blog post
23
It’s interesting that Joshi is complaining that Elon Musk is allowing an alternative point of view.
We all know how the Left are terrified of, and censor alternative opinions as used to happen all the time on Twitter before Musk took over. And proven by the Twitter Files.
How many of the pro-science people here have been kicked off climate alarmist and other Leftist sites? Most of them, I’d say. But on conservative oriented sites like this one (Jo’s) and (now) free-speech oriented Twitter, owned by a pseudo-conservative, Elon Musk, people from all parts of the political spectrum are free to speak.
Unlike Leftists, conservatives and fellow rational thinkers are not terrified of free speech or alternative opinions.
101
Yes David, I was kicked off The Conversation some ten to fifteen years ago for asking embarrassing questions and quoting embarrassing science re Climate Alarmism/global warming.
41
I wish people would make a distinction between man-made climate change and naturally occuring cc, but of course it fits their lying narrative to not do so.
101
Agree 100% John.
21
I dare Joshi to come here and attempt to argue the actual science.
Unless he has far more than the LESS THAN ZERO that other “believers” have to offer, he won’t last very long.
51
“Jo and others upsetting people on twitter”
Oh Dearie me, what a pity !! 🙂
I hope the poor petal can find a “safe room” and get through its next decaf latte !
51
I wonder if this will actually break into the media it is obviously a huge money Dumbocrap money laundering operation!!
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/29/james-okeefe-starts-looking-at-fraudulent-campaign-donations-fec-reported-donations-via-act-blue-appear-to-be-money-laundering/
41
I hope James has good security protection
21
US Congress has just voted unanimously with a few abstentions to revoke China’s Developing Nation status.
One consequence that springs to mind is cheap postage out of China on dollar shop trinkets on eBay should come to an end. As it stands developing nations are given cheap postage with the receiving nation picking up the tab as “assistance”. Aus Post should welcome that.
150
If the U.N. would only follow suit, we could all stop beating ourselves up over carbon dioxide emissions and blame China instead. They are the most culpable after all.
70
In Australia, postage out of China has not been cheap for a long time, well not since before covid times.
By international convention, the cost of postal delivery within the receiving country is always picked up by that country, regardless of whether the sending country is supposedly developing or not.
I would be interested to know who abstained. It’s obvious where their loyalties lie.
And does this also mean China has to shut down its power plants like the West?
71
Are you sure? I did a quick check and 500pcs Disposable Plastic Transfer Pipettes Graduated Eye Dropper Makeup XXL are $18.76, free postage.
20
“Free postage” doesn’t mean it’s free, it’s just included in the price of the item.
42
For me, it’s still a lot cheaper sourcing items out of China than Australia. Australian websites regularly charge up to $20 postage for tiny packages, whereas I can obtain quite large items out of China for just a few dollars extra.
50
Sorry David, bad steering again, meant green.
10
eBay is funny, the companies will advertise the same product..
In one instance it might be say $25.12 with free postage
Next listing might be $17.99 plus $7.15 postage.
01
‘Emboldened by the recent BoerBurgerBeweging electoral victory in Netherlands, Farmers in Slovenia, Germany and Flanders are staging large protests against the EU’s war on agriculture.’ (wuwt)
110
The Trappist-1 planetary system is only 40 light years from earth and has several planets in the habitable zone.
The JWST has observed one of the planets, Trappist-1b and it’s been found to be devoid of an atmosphere so it likely has no life.
It appears the local star is very active and has stripped away the planet’s atmosphere. It has likely done the same with other planets in the habitable zone.
https://youtu.be/kcQ7kglrMa4
31
Yep, the Trappist-1 planet Chimay is the one with no atmosphere but Westvleteren’s is dark and thick.
11
So, David, we are unlikely to hear anything from the Trappists?
60
Great work Graeme
20
Surely there are some Trappist Monks left somewhere. !
21
I wonder how they define “habitable zone’?
30
The range of orbits in which liquid water can exist. Not too hot, not too cold.
31
How many people know the Earth is at the outer edge of our habitable zone, not the middle?
It wouldn’t take much to push us out…
20
Mars is within the habitable zone but has insufficient mass to have retained an atmosphere for liquid water now to exist on its surface.
60
Leo & John, if Mars is within the habitable zone how can Earth be at the outer edge?
00
How are they able to see so much at 40 light years? If it’s NASA we have to be skeptical. So the story is that they can see the atmosphere of a planet 40 light years away? So send us some photos of ice volcanoes on Pluto then. No orbiter space program needed. I am not convinced that some of these poindextors can see their car keys 7 feet across the room.
If they can do it well bravo. But if it’s NASA it pays to think they may be lying until they prove otherwise.
23
Thermal Emission from the Earth-sized Exoplanet TRAPPIST-1 b using JWST
You see, there are ways to conclude things in 40 LY distance.
51
We really have no idea what “life” means everywhere else, I guess we really mean life that we can recognize and is vaguely similar to what happened here.
40
Earth has an abundance of life forms because we are in the habitable zone and large enough to get the dynamo working. So after the second great bombardment there was plenty of water to start the ball rolling.
Our big moon is fairly unique and I tentatively suggest we wouldn’t be here without it.
10
Brookfield want to discuss the closure of Eraring.
My reading of the matter leaves me believing they want an iron clad guarantee that it will not be reopened.
If that is the case then their takeover of Origin is a punt on the current business model staying in place, while they understand that fundamental economic principles are being trashed.
40
Bit surprised at the lack of comment on Judith Curry’s piece in today’s The Australian. It’s a big backhander to the Climate activists continuing to spout fire and damnation whilest the IPCC has really modified its stance right away from such computer projected worst of case and improbable outcomes.
The IPCC has been crab walking away from the doomsday possibilities for about 5 years. It seems even the IPCC is getting very uncomfortable about the activist’s actions and the damage being done in the name of the IPCC.
Curry has introduced an air of moderation about where the climate may end up, from its own accord. The pressure of urgency is removed and nations have time to be much more considerate about how they react to the climate uncertainties.
Well worth a read, even if it is basically from someone who believes in real science not opinions and follows where science takes her.
50
Much vigorous commenting going on all day at The Oz. A very good article by Curry.
20
Australia is Establishing Their Very Own CDC to Unify Approaches to Animal, Plant, and Human Health and Pandemic Preparedness!
Public consultation apparently already took place (without the public being aware).
It is not only the Philippines that is rushing to set up its own CDC, Australia is doing the same.
“The Australian Government provided a total of $3.2 million in the October 2022-23 Budget for the preparations to establish an Australian CDC. In November and December 2022, we invited select stakeholders to join a targeted consultation process exploring the roles and responsibilities of an Australian CDC. This included:
• workshops held in each capital city
• a virtual workshop
• written responses to the CDC consultation paper.
Following this consultation, we released the independently prepared CDC stakeholder consultation report. The report summarises stakeholder feedback from both written submissions to the CDC Consultation Paper and workshop participation. This feedback will inform the initial advice to government on the scope and functions of an Australian CDC.”
https://www.health.gov.au/our-work/Australian-CDC
https://supersally.substack.com/p/australia-is-establishing-their-very
Oh effing joy! Our own CDC, no doubt totally honest, impartial and trustworthy, just like the TGA, pollies, health experts etc.😎
51
They talk a lot about “stakeholders” (report at link here https://www.health.gov.au/resources/publications/centre-for-disease-control-stakeholder-consultation-report?language=en ) but I couldn’t see who they were in my brief perusal of the paper, and I would also like to know who was consulted. I doubt the public was invited, it was probably an invitation only event.
Oh, and Mark Butler, the Minister for “Health” under whose auspices this new department will be under is a hater of Craig Kelly and has a whole page devoted to him.
https://markbutler.net.au/news/media-releases/craig-kelly-s-dangerous-misinformation/
21
Ah- but then they can blame the TGA for the disasters of the vaccines and disband it amidst much publicity.. While transferring all the staff & funding to the new CDC.
Only $50million for new letterheads and a logo!
00
Late TC heading towards WA and a continuous rain stream to impact the MDB.
https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/tropical-cyclone-about-to-form-off-wa-coast/1181488
10
Eastern Pacific off Panama has hit 30C. This side of the Pacific is winning the convective tug-of-war. The equatorial current is now west to east in the Nino 3 zone. Appears El Nino phase is establishing.
https://earth.nullschool.net/#2023/03/27/1200Z/ocean/surface/currents/overlay=sea_surface_temp/orthographic=-139.07,-1.65,553/loc=-85.483,6.334
An interesting perspective on Pilbara cycles – I believe a cyclone has been experienced in every month of the year. There is seasonality but you cannot rule out any month.
20
The NW has been very quiet WRT cyclones over the last few years. Had expected a lot more during the La Niña period, but zilch.
00
Wednesday road craziness: Audi R8 vs superbikes
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_r1baq4eZHI1xcs87a.mp4
I get scared over 200km/h! 😇
10
How about some 500bhp Hayabusa turbo fun?
https://youtu.be/FJd5yg__Qko
00
Once you get over 200 the road seems to get quite narrow
10
I have been reading an enthralling account of two Australian scientist who made significant contributions to the victory of the allied forces during WW2 – Titled WIZARDS of OZ.
I have come to learn about what I now regard as the most important scientific paper ever written. It was just 6 pages long and in the form of a memorandum:
https://web.stanford.edu/class/history5n/FPmemo.pdf
The paper was written by two physicists who were engaged by Marc Oliphant to work in his research team at the University of Birmingham.
The book is interesting because it sets a compelling backdrop to why the allied forces prevailed over the Germans and Japanese. The pity is that the lessons learnt were never embedded. In fact scientific endeavour has become ever more politicised.
40
When Mark Twain talked about lies, damned lies and statistics and said that he was quoting Disraeli, what must be understood is that neither fellow ever saw animations. I have been reviewing videos supposedly explaining how tides work and the amount of swifties these guys pull using animations is astounding.
One ought not be upset. They are not trying to steal off us, make us eat bugs, ruin our grid or send our kids off to fight people with more artillery factories than us. But ought not science people set a higher standard?
One trick is to unnecessarily go beyond a geocentric perspective. The maths will always be the same unless you are trying to calculate the speed stars are orbiting the earth. If you can’t make an ocean bulge from a geocentric perspective you can’t make one at all. Which is fortunate because there is no ocean bulge.
[Clarence was asked not to comment on this site years ago after many many attempts to make it work. This time via a different alter ego. No more Graeme B. — Jo].
02
Earth has an equatorial bulge due to axial rotation (Coriolis Effect)
There is also an additional tidal bulge caused by the moon’s gravity and by an associated, but complex, Coriolis Effect.
11
Oh So it is Birdo. That explains the deja vu.
00
A.I. is evolving faster than you think. Coldfusion report
https://youtu.be/DIU48QL5Cyk
Quite interesting take on GPT 4 and shows, as they say, the “sparks” of general artificial intelligence, that were decades away, which I hinted at the other day.
GPT 4 could easily replace low-level jobs like journalists and tv giggly bobblehead current affairs hosts right now.
No loss there.
Job losses into the millions on the cards.
10
Additional: Goldman Sachs just released report on job impacts from AI
Two-thirds of Euro/American jobs are set to change due to AI automation, and up to a quarter of all current work will be taken over by AIs, according to a bombshell report from analysts at Goldman Sachs.
OpenAI’s ChatGPT is a slow, buggy, boring-looking chat bot that frequently makes things up and cuts off in the middle of answers. But it communicates as well or better than most humans, and writes code as well. It does both in a range of languages, showing some extraordinary insight and creativity at times. It learns at a pace the world has never seen before, and it can do an extraordinary (and rapidly expanding) range of tasks already, that nobody ever specifically taught it how to do. It can do these tasks in a fraction of the time a human would take, for next to no cost.
It’s an ominous preview of a looming tidal wave of AI systems set to launch in the coming months and years, each becoming smarter, faster, more capable and more integrated with our lives and our devices. GPT-4’s staggering abilities as an “anything machine” will look incredibly crude in a year or two.
Extrapolating our estimates globally suggests that generative AI could expose the equivalent of 300 million full-time jobs to automation.”
https://www.key4biz.it/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Global-Economics-Analyst_-The-Potentially-Large-Effects-of-Artificial-Intelligence-on-Economic-Growth-Briggs_Kodnani.pdf
11
Impacts of ENSO on Australian rainfall: what not to expect
10
While trying to dig out the ‘The Australian’ reports of a sacking, I could only get back to 2016. However, the endeavour, which seems limited to a base at 2016, was interesting, seeing all the names, downsizing and history of AGW histrionics and the CSIRO. The CSIRO was initially in the van of the AGW mix and computer description of the climate change projections. It dropped out after major downsizing in the years pre 2016, and decided to go into climate amelioration instead, based on the principle the warming was human activity related or due to land clearing etc. It ignored the awful thought that climate changing might be due to natural causes and cycles alone.
I may not be over literate in science, but would think that one must establish a stable, explainable base before one can establish changes beyond the base activity in order to ascribe alternate causes for changes beyond that explained by the base. One wouldn’t build a multistory building on a base of mud. How could such a previously august body, like the CSIRO, place its reputation and scientific endeavours on such a base of clay? Amazing!
10
Simple answer in two words – govt funding.
Produce the results the govt wants = govt funding.
Don’t produce the results the govt wants = reduced or no govt funding.
Need I point out that for nearly the entire period referred to, we had a Liberal-National coalition govt? Not that it would have been any different under Labor.
FOOTNOTE:
The above does not apply to the ABC which continues to be funded regardless of what they do.
31
Blah blah blah.
I was thinking of replying to David Maddison’s Comment Number 6, but the reply might just have garnered the usual responses ….. Ah, there goes Tony, off on his usual thing, the maths etc etc, and something that he’s written just so many times now (hence boring boring boring repetitiveness) ….. and, instead, it made me think of when I actually first thought about it myself.
I was going to say about the new ‘Planet’ being only (Only??) 40 Light years away, and as any ‘Pixie Ann Wheatley’ would shake her head and say, let’s get on the way now, not caring about the Maths and that those 40 light years translated into our current maximum speed (escape velocity) then that would take us 1,071,360 years. (give or take as velocity increases ever so slightly the further you go out in space)
However, thinking back now, it first came to me around the mid 70’s when I came across a really obscure thing in a Science Fiction novel.
It was called The Drake Equation. There was no such thing as the Internet in those days, and even though I went to the Library at RAAF Base Willimatown, and looked it up in Brittanica, I couldn’t find anything, so I thought, yep, just made up for the novel.
I came across it again in the mid 90’s when I was (finally) getting into the novels of James A Michener. Half a dozen novels into his collection, I read his novel ‘Space’.
And there it was again, As soon as I saw it, I immediately remembered back to that SF novel in the 70’s, and forgetting the title, the formula seemed the same or similar.
Again I couldn’t track it down, but later, I finally did.
Not sure, but I even have this inkling that it also might have cropped in Carl Sagan’s wonderful novel ‘Contact’.
Okay, it’s basically (still) conjecture, but it gives some ‘line of thinking’ on if there really is anything out there, and I’m still of the opinion that there isn’t, and even if there was, the ONLY way they would EVER come across us would be by the sheerest of accidents.
However, that theory, the formula, is a really interesting thing.
So, I’ll just leave you the link.
The Drake Equation
Tony.
40
Good blahing.
I’m not smart enough to do math, just smart enough to know there’s a good chance it counts.
(Har … see what I did there?)
Fascinating question … ‘are we alone?’.
Only askable in a post-religious society.
Funny thing is that there is no shortage of folk that claim we are not with great certainty.
Even my own great US Government (totally reliable source) has declared there is unknown stuff flying around.
This guy, pilot, former US Senate candidate, and heir to the Lear jet family is interesting … from 1987.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGQkkHuwm6w
Don’t know if it’s this vid or Pt. 2, where in emphatically claims the the US Government (totally reliable source) has 15 or so recovered UFOs, 3 in flying condition, and something like 20+ alien bodies on ice representing 5 civilizations.
So some examples of our species are capable of rational function while being completely delusional, at the same time.
So my blah contribution.
I’m agnostic.
The interesting thing to me is the co-existing irreconcilable narratives.
Like marriage.
Co-existing diametrically opposed irreconcilable narratives is the reason we are both reading this blog.
🙂
If the first translatable message we get from an extraterrestrial source is ‘Merry Christmas’, some of us will be in trouble, likely the same ones that call the news fake.
Maybe we’re already there.
30
What reflection lets you say, “there isn’t” ?
If you look at Archaea deep in earth or deep in the ozeans (black smoker f.e.) as possible or probable start-up of life on a planet located where ever, do you really think only happend here on earth ?
Further developpement is an other question.
10
More scientists learn about Archea, more the belief in extraterrestrial life, even on the one or the other moon of Jupiter increases in science.
https://bigthink.com/hard-science/life-on-icy-moons/
10
The mathematics of the Drake equation are very straight forward.
Drake assumes that each of the items in his equation (eg Rate of star formation, fraction of stars with planets etc) are independent variables. So all he has to do is multiply each of the terms to get the eventual probability of an advanced civilisation occurring elsewhere in the Milky Way galaxy. That also assumes that we are an advanced civilisation ( which could turn out to be wrong).
Carl Sagan seemed to think that because the number of stars in our galaxy is huge the probability of intelligent life elsewhere must be almost certain. So much so that he persuaded other astronomers and governments to go and look for it. A program known as SETI – search for extraterrestrial intelligence, which so far has produced nothing. We even sent a message aboard the Voyager1 and 2 spacecraft.
But here is an interesting thing. We do not yet know what the probabilities of each of the individual terms in his equation are but each must be =/> 1. There are a lot of terms in his equation and if each of them is quite small the probability of extraterrestrial intelligence becomes vanishingly small!
10
El Gordo at #6.5.1 also mentions Earth’s big moon, which is something that Drake forgot to include in his. Equation.
https://joannenova.com.au/2023/03/wednesday-open-thread-34/#comment-2652588
00
Is it a good idea to provide a news service which can modify the presentation of the world to match each viewer’s ideological whimsy?
10
Despite ChatGPT having ZERO actual intelligence …
It is quite likely that it has more intelligence than most MSM/ABC journalists.
31
More covid reveal
“CDC Found COVID-19 Vaccine Safety Signals Months Earlier Than Previously Known, Files Show”
https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/cdc-found-covid-19-vaccine-safety-signals-months-earlier-previously-known-files-show
30
No, but it would be nice to end the narrative pushing, shallow, censorship focussed idiots in the roles now.
ie go back decades to conscientious, honest investigative journalists.
If AI replaces them, it’s their own fault. /the_point
10
FWIW – an inside on Israel
https://twitter.com/AviWoolf/status/1640308321327407104
Via Instapundit
20
A good analysis by Avi Woolf.
00
FWIW
“Dutch Farmers SHOCK THE WORLD! Bad news for Trudeau”
https://youtu.be/z6mom5j_9AE
20
Following TfromOZ’s suggestion to use actual numbers to help the good folk at RenewEconomy understand just how variable VRE generators are, I have finally been shoved off for actually posting images from Aneroid showing how lousy the wind generators were doing this month. Sad really, as in their verbal trashing of fossil fuels as necessary during transition and rushing to install renewables without storage they will end up damaging their cause.
A quote from the recently released CSIRO report on Future Energy Pathways
10
Yes, it’s just unachievable fantasy requiring “a host of new science-driven technologies”. This is silly speak for utterly impossible at present. And who knows if it will ever be possible because no one has a clue how to do it? We need new sources of energy, but pigs might fly.
21
Biden’s World Bank Pick Calls For ‘Trillions’ In Climate Spending
https://dailycaller.com/2023/03/29/biden-world-bank-pick-banga-trillions-climate/
01
page does not load.
00
I’ve been doing my True Believer opposition research, lately. The Biggest Find is that Climate Hysterics have abandoned the theorized upper atmospheric warming as a feared CO2 indicator. They’ve replaced it with a claim of impending doom from Arctic Amplification from CO2.
Richard Lindzen attempts to come to grips with this in his Heartland Institute talk in Orlando, in February. He is being more comprehensive in his thoughts than his earlier, 2021 GWPF publication.
In his talk, Lindsey confirms a thought I’ve had often eno7gh. Alarmist especially rely on “Just So” stories, These are simplified narratives offered without data points or theoretical foundation. Rather, the sensibility is assumed.
This gets me to my third observation. Just so story telling (Mark Lynas, we’re looking at you) leads Ecological mass extinction narratives. These drive Born Again Malthusian gullibility. The old 1960s placard reads “Humans: Off Earth NOW!” Wha5 was old and failed becomes new and shiny again.
Does anyone want to amend or augment my list, please? The entire train is led by CO2 demonisation. Then it becomes elimination as a cure. And vilification as the Evil.
10
Sprung!
“Independent Farmer Sighting!”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/03/29/independent-farmer-sighting/#comments
And comments
10
“Y2Kyoto: Misinformation in the IPCC”
“Roger Pielke Jr;
Today, in the first of two posts, I explain how the IPCC made several misleading claims related to tropical cyclones. The IPCC’s failures are both obvious and undeniable. I will walk you through them in detail. Once again, I come to the conclusion that the IPCC needs reform. Mistakes can creep into massive assessments, to be sure, but the failures I document below are absolutely unacceptable.
Replace “unacceptable” with “intentional” and everything makes sense.”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/03/29/y2kyoto-misinformation-in-the-ipcc/
11
Just saying –
https://patriotpost.us/memes/96048-financial-witchcraft-2023-03-27
10
Well, if they are phasing out the importance of CO2 as the Bad Guy in in climate, there are plenty of new scares coming on- SMH on ocean currents..
“A supercomputer spent years cranking through temperature, wind and meltwater data to calculate what could happen under our current emissions trajectory.”
Ir found a way to make really cool graphics of situations based on pure conjecture..
“A critical system of currents at the bottom of the ocean powered by freezing, superdense water is breaking down twice as fast as its Hollywood-famous northern sister.”
https://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/how-a-critical-antarctic-current-threatens-fish-stocks-20230328-p5cw3a.html
00
There appears to be a strong teleconnection between ENSO and Atlantic TC.
https://climateimpactcompany.com/tropical-feature-updated-enso-amo-tna-and-enso-climatology-2/
00
Does this worry you?
https://theconversation.com/torrents-of-antarctic-meltwater-are-slowing-the-currents-that-drive-our-vital-ocean-overturning-and-threaten-its-collapse-202108
23
No, because in typical ABC fashion it is based on a total reversal of the truth to mislead the gullible. It is not the cold water at the poles driving the ocean currents, it is warm water at equator. Movement requires energy.
In the case of ocean currents the energy comes from the sun. The sun is cooling, therefore the oceans are cooling, therefore the ocean currents are slowing.
QED
61
It is not the ABC and it is written by the researcher who published the research.
You should present your findings so the world can know about them. Only the sun affects currents is an interesting theory – no influence of land features like continents and no influence by different water types? Wow. BTW, the research is about particular currents (of which there are many) that are connected with and affect other currents. I wonder how there manages to be any currents at all during the polar winters with no sun and all that.
Any direct empirical measurements of this cooling sun?
22
Yes, you should present your findings so they can be discussed, but that read like a propaganda piece for the global warmists!
“The model projects the overturning circulation around Antarctica will slow by more than 40% over the next three decades,”
How accurate have they been in the last 20years?? Abysmal! Seeing they’re completely wrong then, I see no reason why this model would be any better. Fine, when we don’t understand something we can make up programs that imitate it and project it into the future, but absolutely nothing says those projections will come true.
When we understand what drives the climate we can model the future.
21
The paper is there for you to critique. Go for it.
22
It is built on “climate models” and other non-science superstitions.
Lots of could, ifs, maybes
Until 2016 Antarctic extent was increasing, and the variability in melt-water is natural and actually very small.
Southern oceans have actually been cooling.
Their “scenarios” are pure fiction, built on baseless suppositions.
21
PS, great to see that their “melting zone” is the area above the 90+ semi-active volcanoes that are under that region.
Why is it maybe melting only that area, I wonder! 😉
31
The article you linked to was from The Conversation. The Conversation is part of, and funded through the ABC. QED
No need, Gee Aye.
The Four Laws of Thermodynamics and Newton’s Three Laws of Motion were presented to the world long ago. QED
Your linked article, and my rebuttal, were not about what “affects” ocean currents, it was about what causes them.
Please don’t bother with this silly leftist tactic of attempting to change what you originally wrote in order to confuse and obfuscate the debate. I’ve been playing this game a lot longer than you have.
31
“evidence of this cooling sun”
WOW… GA thinks we are still in the Grand Solar Maximum of the latter part of last century!
No wonder things are staying slightly warm!
(but, still cooler than nearly all the last 10,000 years)
21
Let us look at the abstract, abyssal ocean overturning slowdown and warming driven by Antarctic meltwater.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-05762-w
‘Does this worry you?’
I have no faith in models produced by a UNSW cabal, Matthew England has reputation for bias. So I’m not worried by this Nature paper.
21
“I have no faith in models produced by a UNSW cabal”
If you look at any of their past “predictions/projections” the only conclusion you could come to is that …
… what they are saying, JUST WON’T HAPPEN. !
11
The Southern Ocean has been cooling.
‘ … from 1979 to 2013, SSTs in the Southern Ocean cooled because of natural climate variability, accompanied by Antarctic sea ice expansion. Yet this cooling and sea ice expansion are not generally captured by climate models. In this study, we artificially incorporate the observed Southern Ocean cooling in a climate model to see how it affects SSTs in other regions. We found that in response to Southern Ocean cooling, the tropical South Atlantic SST cools and Antarctic sea ice expands, similar to observations. (Zhang et al 2020)
21
Much amusement, the heat is in the Southern Ocean.
https://newsroom.unsw.edu.au/news/science-tech/southern-ocean-takes-heat-climate-change
01
“projected changes in temperature”… LOL, we know how abysmal they have been so far.
” projected changes in meltwater… Even funnier… They have no idea what might happen with melt-water.
The whole paper is an invented farce built on superstitious nonsense.
11
“Does this worry you?”
Since “the model projects”… and it is based on a climate model…
It is no more worrisome than the Big Bad Wolf. !
The Antarctic sea ice extent was actually climbing until the big NON-CO2 El Nino of 2016.
https://ibb.co/KXw8W33
And here is the Antarctic Ice mass since 1900.. https://ibb.co/1Td4H6d
All looks very stable to me, and I see no REAL reason why it would NOT stay that way.
(Climate models are based on imagination, NOT reality)
21
So we should be seeing twice as many tropical storms as the minimum number? Is that happening? I thought the number of severe storms was lower over the last decade.
31
We are discussing currents.
22
NO ! ElG’s post was about the connection between ENSO and cyclones.
21