Most of 667 Greek fires were lit by arsonists, not by your beef-steak, air-conditioner or SUV

The Guardian, Fires in Greece Headlines. 2023

By Jo Nova

How many solar panels does it take to stop an arsonist?

For two weeks the global media circus has been blaming climate change for the fires in Greece. But finally, belatedly we find out it’s arson (again) and not because Europe doesn’t have enough solar panels yet.

The way the Guardian reports this, it’s as if arsonists hit Greece every year, but this year was different because of “climate change.” So if your civilization has thrill-seekers running amok, laying waste to land and property, the problem is not law and order, unemployment, or a sense of community, it’s “coal fired power plants”.

Can we stop calling them wildfires when they are synthetic?

Thanks to NetZeroWatch

Most fires in Greece were started ‘by human hand’, government says

Helena Smith in The Guardian

Most of the 667 fires that have erupted across Greece in recent weeks were started “by human hand”, the country’s senior climate crisis official has said.

Kikilias said that, in certain places, blazes had broken out at numerous points in close proximity at the same time, suggesting the involvement of arsonists intent on spreading fires further.

Arsonists are not the problem, children, climate change is:

He added: “The difference with other years were the weather conditions. Climate change, which yielded a historic and unprecedented heatwave, is here.

It was surprising The Guardian chose to report this given how silly it makes their fixation on blaming climate change look.  But they get to mention “climate” six more times, and “hottest on record” twice again. They don’t ask whether their own non-stop hyperbolic reporting of Fires, Fires, Fires, like the rest of the media, encourages the arsonists.  They don’t ask where the nation is going wrong, or why this news wasn’t announced earlier. Greek officials surely didn’t need two weeks to put this pattern together.

Most of the important factors in wildfires are things climate models can’t predict at all — like wind, rain, and the Pacific Decadal Oscillation.

The worst fires are not the ones in the hottest spots on Earth. They aren’t in the Sahara Desert or Death Valley — they’re where the fuel loads are —  especially when mixed with a civilization that is losing its way.

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104 comments to Most of 667 Greek fires were lit by arsonists, not by your beef-steak, air-conditioner or SUV

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    Petros

    It’s a similar situation to Australia. Laws prohibit or limit clearing of land. Undergrowth develops. Pyromaniacs and people who want to clear their land light fires. Some are accidental. Most aren’t from what I can gather.

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      John Hultquist

      Most wild land fires are not arson, but they are caused by something humans have done or do. In the USA West, >80% of fires fit this characterization.
      So far this year, within 30 miles of me, two fires along wide Interstate Highway 90 — going up a long hill from the Columbia River, caught fire. The drivers pulled on to the dry grass at the edge. See:
      https://www.kxly.com/news/firewatch-wildfire-near-kittitas-started-by-semi-truck-i-90-impacted/article_190e9534-2a6d-11ee-980b-1ff62a1ae2f6.html

      The second fire was caused by and east-bound truck 6 weeks earlier.

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      Petros
      Right behind our house we have a green space which has not, in the past 15 years, burned. Lots of dead branches trees etc. There are very tall eucalypts there.

      A couple of years back, at a body corporate meeting, I raised this as a serious concern as the trees are not getting smaller and the fuel is steadily building up. The others at the meeting were open mouthed and expressed concern as to why I would raise it. They were completed dunces and despite my urging all members voted NOT to contact the local rural fire brigade about doing a controlled burn.

      We are selling out, not for this reason, but at some stage in the next few years if you hear of houses destroyed near the Gold Coast it will probably be at our current neighbourhood. And, just like here, it will be “climate change” that was responsible, not the recklessly stupid actions of the body corporate committee…

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    John Hultquist

    I don’t know the landscape where the fires are. However, a large fire can make its own local weather. Air gets sucked in and the combustion and heat launch burning embers into air currents that can carry an ember 500 meters or farther.
    Where I live in Washington State a disgruntled road worker set fires each evening (until he was stopped). A fellow nutcase did similar in CA a few years ago. The suspect’s car was tagged and GPS tracking showed him at the exact spots where he started fires.
    Both these guys went to jail.

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      Adellad

      Sadly many serial arsonists in Australia are serving or ex firefighters. Obviously fire is the attraction, the thrill – so if Nature doesn’t provide enough excitement, it must be augmented.

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      Plain Jane

      During the bad fires around Christmas 19 – 20 in Australia I had black burnt leaves travel 200 km to land on me. The smoke turned the day black as night at 3pm. Scarey stuff. Not new though as the fires burnt an areas less than they did in 1938.

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    David Maddison

    Apart from “regular” arsonists that light fires for a “thrill”, I wouldn’t put it past certain “climate activists” to be also lighting fires to “prove” a “climate emergency”. We have already seen their willingness to commit crimes in other areas such as vandalism of artworks, blocking traffic, sabotage of forestry and other equipment, spiking of trees etc.. It’s called eco-vandalism.

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      Graham Richards

      The fire seasons in various parts of the world, mainly in the western industrialised world, are more than likely the work of activists aided & abetted by organisations focused on the climate change hoax. Top suspects would be the UN, WEF and many others who need to maintain the renewables narrative.

      When arsonists are caught ,why is it that they never seem to be interrogated about their motives, penalties are never made public. Do they ever serve time, are they fined, is there any punishment whatsoever or are they simply released until their services are required in the next dry season or when the media led propaganda loses its effects. Then it’s time to start “ boiling “ the plant again. The “.short “ memory span of the public doesn’t help either.

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        David Maddison

        Well said Graham.

        They must keep upping the ante to keep the terror going.

        If there aren’t enough fires, they make sure to make them happen.

        Human life or environmental destruction mean nothing to these anti-civilisation activists.

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          Shannon

          In rely to your ” they make sure to make them happen”……
          Definitely agree with you…..
          My family’s property situated north of Taree….where really bad fires occurred in November 2019…
          I found attempts to start numerous small fires,….. wrapped up small pieces of wool fibre in allfoil.. left in areas on the side of a back road, in dry grass… I never suspected anyone in particular …but only fire personel frequented the area ..putting out so called….spot fires !

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            That’s very interesting Shannon. It would be great if people grab a few photos of this sort of thing. Maybe there is an innocent explanation, but it sure sounds odd.

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      Graeme#4

      I always find it curious that many of the bushfire arson events are lit by young bushfire volunteers.

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      Sambar

      Intersting useless factoid David. In Victoria 80% of all ground resources used in firefighting were supplied by the timber industry. The same industry that has just been zapped out of existence by Dan Andrews. Now we all know that fire fighting aircraft make great T.V. news images but its the people doing the ground work that actually control and extinguish fires. Dozer drivers, harvester drivers, excavator drivers and people on rakehoes. Well as close as this comming fire season in Victoria these resources may no longer exist. These highly dangerous jobs that require operators to have skills that just cannot be taught at TAFE. Any one can drive a dozer, the people that can do it on 40 degree slopes on unstable land in 45 degree heat for 18 hours a day, well, they are a little harder to find.

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        Adellad

        Anything but useless, truly scary. Could Andrews be as Machiavellian as this, or will uncontrolled fires prove to be no more than a useful propaganda side benefit of his evil ways?

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        Graham Richards

        How can you be so remiss & not remind everyone you can’t fight fires if you’re not vaccinated. Can’t have firefighters out in the fire , smoke & boiling atmosphere spreading
        “ deadly “ diseases whilst fighting fires can we??

        What is really disconcerting are the numbers of dummies in the electorate that believe that clown.

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    Dave of Gold Coast, Qld.

    I guess it is the same story over there as here, neglect of the environment. We cannot have clearing of rubbish and the bush near us is now a worry. Much of Gold Coast is heavily timbered including our area has huge regrowth rubbish like highly flammable feral wattles that seems to be overrunning the area. I guess we are so busy “saving the planet” that we are too busy to bother looking after it. It wouldn’t be much of a guess that every western country now in the thrall of climate change like Canada, US, now Europe are in the same neglected boat. Remember our own arsonists generated fires of 2019.

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      Sambar

      Dont knock the wattles D of GC. These trees are doing a marvelous job of sequestering that other dangerous green house gas, nitrogen, and safely storing it underground.
      You know the same sort of thing that they want to do with CO2. This is all done for free and great for the environment until, those other damned plants take over and drag it all back into the foliage and then POOF, all back up in smoke. Aint nature grand!

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      Adellad

      It astounds me how many people in the Adelaide hills/foothills are prepared to live along narrow tracks in the midst of thick (soon to be) dry bush, trees overhanging buildings, plenty of long grass and shrubs right up to the walls. I get professionals in every year to do clearing; it gets harder all the time for them as state environmental “protection” laws make it impossible to do what sensible risk mitigation would imply.

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      The pines and olives in the Mediterranean lands are like the eucalypts and wattles in Australia: they are all pyroseral plants. That is, they’re adapted to regenerate quickly and thickly after a fire. Given long enough they would be replaced by slower-growing and more fire-sensitive species. But you could say pines, eucs etc have a ‘vested interest’ in fires, and so are all highly inflammable, producing lots of dry fuel and often containing highly inflammable oil or resin. In both these regions, thousands of years of burning by humans has caused the pyroseral species to become more abundant.

      The problem has increased in Australia as we now have feral pines, olives and brooms from Europe as well as the native pyroseral trees. And a lot of the wattles in post-fire regrowth are feral species introduced from remote parts of Australia – like Acacia decurrens in Victoria, and various WA species here in SA.

      BTW, nitrogen-fixing plants don’t sequester nitrogen, as every atom is used in their metabolism or the metabolism of other organisms that eventually consume them. It’s a cycle. Just as there’s no such thing as ‘carbon sequestration’ for all eternity by plants. Every bit of wood will someday return to the air – by burning, by decay, or consumed by termites. It’s a cycle, and we should be glad it’s a cycle or we wouldn’t be alive.

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    MrGrimNasty

    In case anyone missed it.
    Italian arsonist caught by drone.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-66343164

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      Greg in NZ

      How did the Beeb let that one slip through the Fat Chekas’ hands… unless, of course, Badman Put!n infiltrated the hallowed, sacrosanct halls of British propaganda.

      Their faces are so red you could fry an egg on it.

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    MrGrimNasty

    If you have fuel and a source of ignition, even a cool soaking wet Autumn day last year can support a biblical wildfire (the fire dries it’s fuel as it progresses, especially travelling uphill, despite what the caption says).
    https://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/massive-snowdonia-mountain-fire-looks-25516267

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    MrGrimNasty

    High proportion of Italian wildfires also suspected arson.
    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66332399

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    David Maddison

    How do fires start naturally anyway, no matter how high the temperature?

    The only common mechanism I know of is lightning strikes. Less common or almost-never reasons may be sparks from rock falls with flint, volcanic activity or spontaneous combustion of accumulated debris, or pre-existing centuries-old coal seam fires such as Burning Mountain in Australia.

    All other causes are artificial such as arson, cigarettes, sparks from power lines e.g. if animal shorts them or debris falls on them or sparks or high heat from various equipment.

    Of all of the above, I would guess that arson is by far the most common.

    And arsonists might think they can get away with their crimes, plus they might not be investigated, because “everyone knows climate change causes fires”.

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      Yes, before human occupation of Australia almost all fires would have begun from lightning strikes. However, with forests being more continuous in those days they could have burned for a very long time and extended over larger areas, persisting in smouldering tree stumps and breaking out again if weather conditions were suitable.

      Spontaneous combustion of rotting vegetation on hot days with a north wind is another possibility but there aren’t many (any?) records of fires definitely attributed to this cause. If the atmosphere contained more oxygen, the chances of spontaneous combustion would be higher.

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    If people were encouraged to take the fallen timber there would be less of a problem. The fires would not grow as large or as fast and some would not spread at all. No point pretending to look after species by luring them to live where they will be roasted alive when the inevitable happens. Just makes it harder for the other species that prefer less wood around.

    How many solar panels does it take to stop an arsonist?

    Is the answer enough of them to heat the dry grass, wood and bush by reflection of the sun? The fire being there before the arsonist arrives.

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      Graeme#4

      In some forest areas, it’s illegal to collect the fallen timber for firewood. Recall talking to a resident of Lake Eucabene, who advised that they are even not allowed to touch the fallen branches on their own properties.

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        David Maddison

        In Vicdanistan Dictator Dan also increased firewood collection restrictions thus allowing fuel to accumulate in certain areas.

        Australia’s forests aren’t natural anyway. Millenia of deliberate Aboriginal burning destroyed all but the fire resistant species so it’s absurd to think there is any such thing today as truly natural native forest. It is what it is (or was) because Aboriginals originally made it that way.

        We could at least maintain the equivalent of Aboriginal burning by allowing collection of firewood and/or regular deliberate burning to reduce the intensity of fires when they do occur.

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          Skepticynic

          We’re not allowed to take the dead wood because it’s ‘native habitat’.
          But they don’t seem to mind the holocaust when, after they let all the fuel accumulate the inevitable fire takes hold and the “native habitat” gets barbecued alive.

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          Philip

          Yes, if there is ever an example of a weed that actually has taken over like the environmentalist nightmare fantasy, it is the Eucalypt.

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            Graeme#4

            I have heard that eucalypts also generate a kind of poison in their root system that deters or minimises the growth of other plant species in the area underneath their foliage.

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              Gerry, England

              Not true here in England as there are plenty of plants growing around my eucalyptus. However, if you grow eucalyptus here for timber purposes it is a mono-culture with little in the way of any life since it is an alien species here. With the usual irony, eucalyptus is being grown to be burnt as biomass as part of Nut Job Zero so once again, the environment is made worse to appease enviro-Mentalists.

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      Crakar24

      You used to be allowed to go into the Mt Crawford forest in SA to collect fire wood (mostly pine) but that practice was stopped/banned many years ago

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    Geoffrey Williams

    It’s the weather and in 6 months time it will be floods and storms.
    The weather is the climate and it is always changing . .

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    Kalm Keith

    So all around the world we are being hit by fires which are “unprecedented” and mysterious in origin and the debate focuses on whether they are started naturally or by arsonists. Deliberate misdirection.

    But, when rational analysis is applied the simplicity of this “problem” is clearly stated, thanks Jo:

    “The worst fires are —– where the fuel loads are — especially when mixed with a civilization that is losing its way”.

    Inherent in that summary are the main elements of the solution;
    Clear away combustible materials from areas we want to live in, and
    Fix civilisation by getting rid of the many self appointed control freaks who infest the world.

    Death and destruction from fire is avoidable.

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      In actual times, fire and civilization seem to be associated, that’s correct. But there must have been other fires in much earlier times even moving evolution of trees in a direction they need fires for reproduction (pyrophilic).
      So fire wasn’t unusual, probably even normal.

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        Hasbeen

        When Captain Cook made his voyage of discovery up the east coast of Australia, he mentioned in his log that rarely could they not see the smoke from a number of fires ashore.

        Obviously the fires must have been more numerous than he had seen anywhere previously, or he wouldn’t have mentioned it.

        It is no longer possible to burn frequently as the aboriginals did, as there is now too much infrastructure that will very happily burn along with the underbrush, & tree change newcomers don’t like the smoke.

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      Sambar

      “So all around the world we are being hit by fires which are “unprecedented” “

      Well no, we are now being hit with every natural disaster on a minute by minute basis that always happened but technology means we get every event that evah occurs beamed into our homes 24/7.
      In the past these things may have been mentioned in newspapers and were remote, now, well its endless fear and panic porn.

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        Adellad

        Spot on. We have CNN/BBC (in effect) in every corner of every city, town, village and country road all over the word now.

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        Kalm Keith

        As you highlight, there are two versions of unprecedented.

        Unprecedented: amazing, never been seen before.

        “Unprecedented”; histrionic shouting and alarmism from activists and politicians.

        🙂

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        Gerry, England

        And the legacy media fail to report honestly on what it happening. Here in the UK we are being told the Greek island of Rhodes is burning from end to end. However, a photo taken from a plane arriving at the island showed just ONE small area with smoke rising.

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    Richard C (NZ)

    The Daily Sceptic makes some observations re the involvement of a number of entities in spreading heatwave BS but most notably WWA, Jeremy Granthan, and Friederike Otto:

    Feverish BBC Reporting on European ‘Heatwaves’ Debunked by Actual Temperature Readings
    https://dailysceptic.org/2023/07/27/feverish-bbc-reporting-on-european-heatwaves-debunked-by-actual-temperature-readings/

    Meanwhile, the World Weather Attribution operation, partly funded by green billionaire investor Jeremy Grantham, adds to the mix with its modelled guesses based on imaginary climates with and without human-produced carbon dioxide. As we have noted in past articles, attribution studies is a growing branch of climate alarmism, but it fails the bedrock science falsification principle outlined by the science philosopher Karl Popper.

    And,

    Undoubtedly WWA leads the way in providing simple, press-ready, clickbait material. Its latest press release on the European heatwaves notes that it uses “published peer-reviewed” methods, and backing this up there is a link to Philip et al. But it might be more accurate to describe this 2020 paper as ‘mates’ helpful suggestions’. One of the named authors, for instance is none other than Friederike Otto. Another author was Julie Arrighi from the Red Cross Red Crescent Climate Centre, a person identified by the BBC as one of the authors of the latest WWA report. Helpful suggestions include the advice that communicating only a lower bound, because it is mathematically better defined in many cases, “is not advisable”. Furthermore, “quoting only the lower bound de-emphasises the most likely result and therefore communicates too conservative an estimate”. We can’t be having well-defined, conservative estimates now, can we.

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      MrGrimNasty

      There’s been a lot of nonsense about the temperatures recorded in the European heatwave. They were reached – mid 40s plus, they were not exaggerated, and they were not substituting ground surface satellite temperatures. At first it was across Spain and Futher SE, then mainly far SE in Italy Greece Sardinia Corsica etc. Records were broken subject to the usual verification, including a European July record of 48.2C only just below the all time recently approved record of 48.8C from 2021. I’m afraid some skeptics have been guilty of latching onto and amplifying false information in this case.

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        Richard C (NZ)

        Grim, what “false information” is there in The Daily Sceptic article ?

        It wasn’t the sceptic author, it was BBC and the European Space Agency.

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        Richard C (NZ)

        Grim

        >”…Sardinia Corsica etc. Records were broken subject to the usual verification, including a European July record of 48.2C

        >”skeptics have been guilty of latching onto and amplifying false information

        But,

        Sardinia Temperature Record Set In Middle of Undergrowth, And Yards From Road
        https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2023/07/29/sardinia-temperature-record-set-in-middle-of-undergrowth-and-yards-from-road/

        You will recall how the media gleefully announced a new July record temperature for Europe this week, even though it had not even been validated by the WMO.

        As Italian expert, Robin Monotti, pointed out immediately, the weather station at Jerzu was not an officially recognised climate station.

        Excellent detective work by Tim Daw has revealed the actual location of the Jerzu station, and as I surmised it is poorly sited and maintained.

        There are three weather stations in and around Jerzu, but the one in question is Jerzu RU, indicated below – note the 48.2C reading on 23rd: [see several images]

        So, what “false information” has this sceptic latched onto and amplified ?

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          Richard C (NZ)

          Homewood:

          But, of course, the fake record claim has already gone round the world, which has always been the objective of our corrupt media.

          ‘A Lie Is Halfway Round the World Before the Truth Has Got Its Boots On’

          In the information age the lie travels at the speed of light.

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          While Jerzu looks like a bad site and reached 48.2C the sites around it also were also high. Barisardo reached 47.2, Muravera recorded 46.3. Oliena reached 45.2. But other sites inland in Sardinia and presumably higher above sea level (?) reached 39C-41C.

          This is the best site for temperatures across Sardinia. The “Time and Date” site for Sardinia was reporting from one of the cooler spots in the NW of the island.

          http://www.sar.sardegna.it/servizi/dati/datistazioni7gg.asp?stazione=Jerzu

          Maybe all the other high temperature sites are in terrible condition too. I haven’t looked.

          But it appeared to me that there was indeed a hot area in Sardinia, at least on July 24th.

          The real problem is that this is like 0.1% of Europe yet received 80% of the heatwave news or something like that. It’s one freak hot day in one small place. Where is the “global warming” trend — apparently driven by large pacific cycles that climate models can’t predict.

          They shouldn’t be obsessing over tiny short extremes. In a colder world there are more extremes due to lower humidity. See how this works?

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    Saighdear

    667, eh? 66.7, say 67 or pessimistically 66, these numbers seem to appear quite often… artificially so?
    Anyroad, IMHO not enough has been made of the possibility that indeed it was Arson . Instead we get told that it IS a result of Globle Bull.

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      Gee Aye

      true, my guess at the origin is something like this, “about 1000 fires, 2/3 of which were likely lit by arsonists, have raged over Greece”

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    John

    From the TV news coverage of the Greek fires it seems that Greece does not have the network of regional bushfire brigades that are common in Australia. A lot of what we saw on athe news were civilians trying to help but without the proper clothing, equipment and vehicles.

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    Peter Fitzroy

    So it is humans that start the fires, and it is humans via AGW that make such fires catastrophic. .

    As noted previously it is not the ignition source that causes the uncontrollable fire, if it was, you could not have hazard reduction burns as they would be uncontrollable.

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      David Maddison

      What AGW, Peter?

      Michael Mann’s fraudulent hockey stick?

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      Ronin

      “if it was, you could not have hazard reduction burns as they would be uncontrollable.”

      Peter, when hazard reduction burns are undertaken, there are humans on standby with hoses and beaters to keep tabs on the fire, unlike when some firebug sets one.

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      Ooops, appears the staff at the senile old peoples home have left the computer unlocked and unattended again.

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      Philip

      You’ll have to do better than that Peter. A few holes in that argument.

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      Ross

      It’s not AGW that causes catastrophic fires PF, it’s too much fuel on the forest floors from lack of fuel reduction burns or smaller fires. AGW doesn’t cause spontaneous combustion. Forests are not newly stack haystacks with wet hay. The problem with hazard reduction burns etc is that they are extremely difficult to manage. Mostly because the operators are trying to light them in Autumn or late Spring when conditions are not perfect for ignition. When some decent fuel reduction burns happen the EPA and governments are then deluged with suburbanites/ city people complaining about the smoke. You either have smoke in Autumn/Spring or smoke in Summer. That’s the simple choice.

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      Graeme#4

      That not a correct statement about hazard reduction burns Peter. The CSIRO generated a very good study of cool burns in WA to determine how much eucalypt forest litter could accumulate before a bushfire would be uncontrollable. As expected, it wasn’t very much – only a few years of eucalypt litter could result in a bushfire that couldn’t be controlled. Eucalypts drop a significant amount of litter every year, but only 29% decomposes annually, so it doesn’t take very long for the litter to build up.

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    TedM

    The plain fact is that apart from thunderstorms (lightning) fires are not lit by the weather, however hot. They can be made more unmanageable by weather, as they can by long inter-fire periods.

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    Ronin

    Let’s hope the authorities have plenty of drones on standby for what could be a hot dry summer in OZ.

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      Sambar

      “Let’s hope the authorities have plenty of drones on standby for what could be a hot dry summer in OZ.”

      Yes, all the drones will be on tele, sounding knowledgeble, pretending to be expert in subjects they no nothing about and confirming that global warming will be the end of us all unless we do as we are told

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    DLK

    EVs cause more fires than SUVs

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      Greg in NZ

      One person is in a ‘serious condition’ in Wellington Hospital after their e-scooter exploded whilst charging, setting fire to an apartment building, overnight. But hey, let’s blame carbon [sic] for all the world’s woes.

      Climate Cult Contagion (CCC).

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    Greg in NZ

    The Fires of Tamatea, approx. 500 years ago, burned a vast swathe of the eastern South Island bush/forest after a series of ‘fiery canoes’ or meteorites fell from the sky, according to old legends. Pre-colonial Polynesians also burned large areas of bush to chase out moa and other tasty delicacies: times were tough back then, pre-KFC.

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      Ronin

      “times were tough back then, pre-KFC.”

      Shut up and take my shells.

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      David Maddison

      And the Maori, being the wonderful environmentalists they were and are, managed to wipe all nine species of moa in under 150 years, plus the Haast’s Eagle which specialised in eating moa.

      It’s good KFC was introduced to stop any further environmental destruction.

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    Philip

    If I was a Green I’d be out lighting fires too. Very successful propaganda

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      ozfred

      Well if there is no vegetation it is harder for fires to start.
      Or is that harder to start fires?
      Though I wonder if it is a “green” conspiracy that the new suburban housing developments include such limited open space that acquiring vegetation is “very difficult”

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    Philip

    The next hot summer we get will be a big fire year, many will be arsonist made. And get your arguments ready at hand, because the climate change propaganda will be massive.

    We have had 4 mild wet summers and the forest understory has grown a lot, it will be prime bushfire conditions once that dries up a bit, which it is now, getting quite dry east coast nsw.

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      David Maddison

      You can bet “climate activist” groups are organising for a major arson campaign right now, for Australia’s next summer with overgrown forest with inadequate fuel reduction burns.

      I can see the various Leftist fascist groups like the black shirt wearing ANTIFA and other similar ratbag groups out there with a vengeance next summer – a vengeance against people, property and nature.

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      Ronin

      “because the climate change propaganda will be massive.”

      Absolutely, you just have to look at the frenzy going on in Southern Europe at the present time.

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    Philip

    Paul Joseph Watson’s video on it is pretty good

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEtV3QlPUaU&t=405s

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    The mindset that deflates car tyres,
    Would not be too bothered by fires,
    To alarm and inflame,
    And on climate-change blame,
    All mankind, and silence ‘deniers’.

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    Ross

    Blaming these big fires on climate is just a copout. It’s an excuse not to manage fuel loads where possible even though (in Victoria) every Royal Commission into major bushfires since 1939 has repeatedly stated more fuel reduction activities are required. Then every 10 years or so there’s a huge atomic bomb type fire, with loss of life and property. Then there’s the Royal Commission yet again with the same damn finding. More fuel reduction burns are required and governments need to devote substantial resources towards it. Then every successive government, LNP or Labor, pay it lip service. In Greece, they look to be mainly brush fires which I suspect you cant hazard burn. So, all you can do is wait for the next big fire to occur. Evacuate people quickly and then just sit back and watch it burn. Which is what should happen in Australia except there’s too much hero worshipping of fire people, mostly via the media.

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    R.B.

    Doesn’t the Guardian want to censor everyone else for dangerous disinformation? And using less logical reasoning than blaming climate change will incite activists to light fires.

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    Ronin

    I have an acquaintance who is a bit green who I love to wind up by quoting things like “up to 88% of bushfires are started by humans most of them deliberate arsonists”, well doesn’t that go down well.

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    Crakar24

    Blind man Freddy could see this playing out, this is how the programing works

    1, wait until you know it’s going to be hot in Europe (it’s summer)
    2, create a false claim about the planet being 3 degrees hotter
    3,throw on a few unfounded predictions about sea ice
    4, light many fires in Greece and Italy
    5, get the chief clown to belittle himself and invent a new scary catch phrase
    6, sit back and watch the intellectually challaged (Simon, GA and Fitzroy for example) do their best impression of chicken little
    7, job done now rake in the climate cash

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    Ross

    Unfortunately, we need to provide as little publicity as possible to arson causing these big fires. The prevalence of copy cat fire arsonists is indisputable. Hence, authorities love using Climate Change to both reduce that publicity but to also deflect from their own inefficiency in fuel load management. It’s a bit of a win-win for politicians and bureaucrats alike. They can blame the big boogy man of CC, and then reduce the very expensive exercise of hazard reduction burning. Even Fire Services commanders in NSW were blaming climate change for those large 2018 fires knowing that they could demand more $ from government to employ fire people and bright red shiny new fire trucks. Most which just sit idly in expensive new fire stations doing nothing. When there’s a big fire, all they do is turn up after the event and douse. Makes for great media footage, does squat in terms of bushfire prevention.

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    Neville

    Here Willis Eschenbach quotes an IPCC quote of a 24% GLOBAL NET reduction of land area burnt by wildfires between 1998 and 2015.

    And here’s a quote from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC):

    “A recent analysis using the Global Fire Emissions Database v.4 (GFED4s) that includes small fires concluded that the net reduction in land area burnt globally during 1998–2015 was –24.3 ± 8.8% (–1.35 ± 0.49% yr–1) (Andela et al. 2017)”

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    Neville

    And the NASA data shows a downward trend for GLOBAL fires since 2000.
    See the graph at the end.

    https://phzoe.com/2021/02/17/trend-in-global-fires/

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    Neville

    Here’s Lomborg’s graph for the area burnt in Australia for the last 120 years or since 1900.
    You’ll note that the recent area burnt since 2000 is less than half the area over 100 years ago.
    But the 2019/2020 fire was very bad in NSW, although it doesn’t appear that way looking at the total fire graph.

    https://www.climatedepot.com/2020/02/14/bjorn-lomborg-debunking-australias-fire-myths-globally-wildfire-burns-less-land-than-it-used-to-surprisingly-this-decrease-is-even-true-for-australia/

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    Neville

    Dr Roger Pielke jnr has also found a recent increase in fires started by Humans, but a lower GLOBAL percentage trend overall NOW for areas burnt than in past centuries.
    The same applies to Canadian fires today compared to the larger areas burnt in past centuries.

    https://rogerpielkejr.substack.com/p/what-the-media-wont-tell-you-about-783?publication_id=119454&post_id=126926234&isFreemail=true

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    Neville

    The OWI Data shows the deaths from fires, burns and hot substances since 1990.
    AGAIN Australia beats every cold country or groups or the WORLD etc and only Switzerland has slightly lower death rate per 100,000 people.
    But Switzerland is a very small wealthy, colder country so I’m not really surprised, but we do beat much smaller and colder NZ as well.
    Just hold the pointer on 2019 date to see all countries listed from highest to lowest death rates.
    Anyone care to comment or try to unravel this mystery?

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates?tab=chart&country=OWID_WRL~CHN~NZL~CAN~AUS~DNK~England~European+Region+%28WHO%29~FIN~GRL~ISL~IRL~NOR~OECD+Countries~POL~RUS~Scotland~SWE~CHE~GBR~World+Bank+High+Income

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      Neville

      And don’t forget that the population of the world in 1990 was just 5.3 billion but STILL a lower global death rate trend in 2019.
      AGAIN why are we much safer today despite 2.5 billion more people at risk since 1990?
      The UN SEC Gen’s “BOILING planet” lunacy is just more of his BS and FRAUD.

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    UK-Weather Lass

    The Guardian deliberately carried photos of red hot infernos to keep the story on focus with Met Office global heating when the area actually covered by fire in Rhodes was quite small as we have now seen from aerial pictures. Crave climate lies for breakfast? Read the Guardian and you should be well nourished.

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    JB

    I love the upside-down reasoning that warming causes fires. As opposed to fires causing warming. Fires create whole weather systems! But, no meteorologist will mention how a gigantic localized source of heat might impact the weather all around.

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    Skepticynic

    Palermo, CA: Caught on camera, watch climate change happen in real time…

    https://twitter.com/giftgab538/status/1685328199000137728?t=0Hub4_5I3Ke5jtTobRec7g&s=19

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    Penguinite

    The fires are man-made and very bad! But in relative terms, only a small proportion of the Island is burning/burnt.

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    Neville

    AGAIN if you check out the data for the World deaths from Fires, burns , other substances in 1990 = 2.51 deaths per 100,000 and in 2019= 1.44 deaths.
    That means that there were 1.7 times the World deaths in 1990 compared to 2019.
    And of course a much smaller population in 1990 as well.
    Australian death rates were 0.84 deaths per 100 k in 1990 and just 0.31 deaths in 2019. So the death rate for Australia was 2.7 times higher in 1990 and the population then was only 17.1 million compared to the population of about 25 million in 2019.
    AGAIN the UN SEC GEN is a con merchant and a fraud.

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates?tab=chart&country=OWID_WRL~CHN~NZL~CAN~AUS~DNK~England~European+Region+%28WHO%29~FIN~GRL~ISL~IRL~NOR~OECD+Countries~POL~RUS~Scotland~SWE~CHE~GBR~World+Bank+High+Income

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    Neville

    BTW African death rate from fires, burns etc in 1990 = 4.69 per 100 K and dropped to just 3.24 in 2019.
    And the population of Africa was 638 million in 1990 and soared to 1329 million in 2019.
    So the 53 countries of Africa doubled their population in just 29 years and yet their death rates from fires, burns etc dropped from 4.69 to 3.24 per 100 K while their population increased by ANOTHER 639 million more people. DUH?
    But will the UN SEC GEN ever WAKE UP?

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/fire-death-rates?tab=chart&country=OWID_WRL~CHN~NZL~CAN~AUS~DNK~England~European+Region+%28WHO%29~FIN~GRL~ISL~IRL~NOR~OECD+Countries~POL~RUS~Scotland~SWE~CHE~GBR~World+Bank+High+Income~African+Region+%28WHO%29

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    Neville

    Willis Eschenbach further checks the IPCC data and finds no CLIMATE CRISIS at all.
    In fact the first quote proves that they even admit that it’s all just BS and FRAUD and they really want to redistribute our WEALTH.
    And they really love Mickey Mouse climate models and the use of their delusional RCP 8.5.

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2023/07/30/the-ipcc-says-no-climate-crisis/

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    Neville

    That so called new Sardinia temp record is just more of their BS and FRAUD but yapped about by the CORRUPT MSM and the dopey so called scientists etc.
    BIG SURPRISE NOT, but the religious fanatics will still BELIEVE.

    https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2023/07/29/sardinia-temperature-record-set-in-middle-of-undergrowth-and-yards-from-road/

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      Tel

      You can see the ground under the station is dry sun-baked clay … that’s always going to read higher than the normal grass patch.

      I posted links to nearby Sardinia stations and the highest at the same time was 47C and that was an airport, which also tends to read high as most airports do.

      The real high temp that day would have been approx 44 or 45 once you allow for poor quality sensors.

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