Climate Fatigue strikes in Ireland: Most people don’t believe it harms them and have no plans to be vegetarian or give up their cars

Irish climate Change Survey

By Jo Nova

Climate fatigue is upon us

Yet another survey shows most people know what to say when asked banal questions of climate dogma — “Yes they are “very worried”. But more than half the population don’t believe climate change is going to harm them and they have “no intention” of giving up meat, or their cars or their pets. And for people who only fly once a year, the idea of flying less was very unappealing. Worse, the under 35s like taking a series of flights each year is so normal now it’s “part of their identity”.

After years of this tedious preachy non-debate the report authors even had to acknowledge that “virtue signaling” was a thing, and it was turning off middle and lower class people. Rather than being seen as heroes, those who did a lot to prevent climate change were seen as boring and earnest, and either miserable martyrs or people who are “intentionally vocal” about their actions, partly as a way to show off. The working poor didn’t like being talked down to, and it reinforced the idea that “climate action” was something for people who could afford it. It’s a rich girls game…

POST NOTE: This survey is not as stupid as most of their surveys. Usually they just ask how worried people are. This survey gives us (and them) an idea of just how superficial that “worry” is.  Apparently the world is going to end, but 6 out of 10 people are not going to give up their cars, their favorite food or their pets. That means they are not that worried. More than half don’t believe it’s harming them. It doesn’t get more basic than this. Four thousand experts have told the people for 30 years that climate change is their fault and a catastrophe — and more than half the audience doesn’t think the experts are right.

Their team is swimming in so much grant money they accidentally did a survey showing 60% of the population don’t believe them.

Climate change: People do not want to take actions amid belief Ireland not being harmed, survey finds

By Sorcha Pollak, The Irish Times

A study on Irish attitudes toward climate change has found more than half of respondents did not believe it is harming people in Ireland, and that a significant gap exists between people’s climate-related intentions and actions.

Older homeowners, particularly those in rural locations, often believe their way of life is “under threat” as a result of climate initiatives and the report recommends the impact of this change on the “identity of people” be further considered.

The report found many people, males in particular, had no intention of reducing their meat consumption and following a diet seen as more climate friendly.

It’s biology: 54% of people said they have no intention to be vegetarian, and when asked about being vegan, 73% said “No”.

Irish climate Change Survey

People think they’re already taking enough climate action (like recycling and catching more buses) while the report writers said this was a misunderstanding and people actually needed to “do a lot more”.

Indeed, nearly 60% of the population says they are already walking and cycling more frequently instead of driving and they’re flying less too. Yet there are obviously just as many cars on the road and planes in the sky as ever before, proving researchers need to ask better questions.

If I catch a bus one time this year that’s more frequent than last year, right?

IRish climate Change Survey

Click to enlarge the graph.

Likewise, are 82% of people really choosing foods with less packaging?

IRish climate Change Survey

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The report authors admit that the unwashed masses are not buying the “fly less” message while celebrities and politicians were flying more:

Across the workshops, individuals didn’t routinely make the connection between the numerous holidays they had booked abroad and the damage to the climate. Numerous arguments were made to justify this travel which point to challenges in communicating the benefits of flying less. Arguments included the fact that the flights were departing whether they were on-board or not and that their impact was minimal when compared with people in the public eye travelling on private jets. These responses point to a sensitivity to people in the public eye (particularly international celebrities) continually flying in private jets frequently whilst the broader population is being asked to not take a holiday and city break abroad.

And finally, there is the realization that “virtue signaling” is its own liability:

They are perceived to be potentially quite boring and earnest as they sacrifice activities such as foreign travel to align with their values. At an extreme, they are viewed as miserable martyrs. They are intentionally vocal about their actions. It was believed that this was intended as an attempt to promote positive actions in others but also to demonstrate their virtuous behaviour. Unfortunately, this active promotion to others less well-placed to act risked being viewed as an attempt to talk down to others, further reinforcing the view of climate action being for those who can afford it.

The full report:

Department of Environment surveyed 4,000 people across the country, for the “”Climate Conversation 2023” report “.

In Ireland we’re not to burn peat,
For the climate and we’re not to eat meat,
Nor travel too far,
In a petrol run car,
Explains why more greens lose a seat.

-Ruairi

 

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80 comments to Climate Fatigue strikes in Ireland: Most people don’t believe it harms them and have no plans to be vegetarian or give up their cars

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    Paul Siebert

    ___Out here in this patch of stubble, burning a pile of collected combustibles was, for me, just waste reduction.
    ___Still is now – but with the added knowledge I’m kicking a dogma while causing no harm to my dog.

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    Bruce

    Old joke:

    “How do you spot the Vegans at a “gathering”?

    You don’t have to; they loudly self-identify.

    (They smell “funny”,too).

    Back in the days of “analogue” photography, I met a bloke who was pretty good with cameras and film processing, etc.

    When he “let slip” that he was a serious vego, I asked him how that worked with the fact that the emulsion that held the silver crystals to the negatives and the prints was made from Gelatin, an “animal product”. Interesting reaction to that. Side note: Much of the work on digital imaging was done by Eastman Kodak. Then, they could not keep up with the uptake of digital, nor did they do a very good job of “maintaining the faith” among a whole lot of “analogue purists”. The “punter” is the “product, I guess. How many of the current file formats will still be “supported” in another century?

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      David Maddison

      Kodak failed to recognise the opportunity. “Kodak was reluctant to embrace this new technology. Because the company had a lucrative monopoly on the film photography market in the United States, they saw little reason to disrupt the status quo.” https://www.invent.org/blog/inventors/Legacy-Steve-Sasson

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        Red

        DM. Sums it up nicely. I worked at Kodak research labs in those early digital days. Management could not see the digital elephant in the room and didn’t want to disturb the very lucrative film business both consumer and commercial such as X Ray.

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        Gary S

        Uuuuuuuu

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        Gary S

        Sumfink wrong with the system!,,,,

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      Hivemind

      Kodak knew that digital was coming, but didn’t want to damage their film business. Conversely, look at IBM, which was the dominant mainframe maker in the world. There were already PCs (TRS-80, Apple, Hitachi, etc), but they were strictly minor players. When IBM introduced the PC, they knew that they would have a big impact on their mainframe business, but it became a defacto standard. Despite the big hit to their mainframe business, IBM recovered and are still the dominant mainframe makers in the world.

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        czechlist

        XEROX
        Their Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) invented almost everything associated with the Personal Computer which they usef internally but did not market:
        EG Mouse, GUI, Ethernet, Laser Printer, Tablet.

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          old cocky

          I think Xerox was in the same situation as AT&T, and not legally able to directly take advantage of most of those inventions/developments.

          When they did try to commercialise it with Star, it was a slow and expensive niche market system. Wikipedia has a nice article about it

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      Will

      Yes, I still have some exposed 25+ rolls of undeveloped Kodachrome 25 plus some exposed 20+ of K64 in an airtight container in my refrigerator. Plus, perhaps 10 of each unexposed.
      I was offered to have them developed in black and white but I was so angry I refused. Silly me? Still uncertain.
      One thing that it has solved are those dreadful slide nights where friends/neighbours/relatives would trap you into an evening meal then tie you to a chair to endure the slides of their latest holiday.

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    Penguinite

    I’ve got climate fatigue! I’m already fed up with winter!

    “They are perceived to be potentially quite boring and earnest as they sacrifice activities such as foreign travel to align with their values. At an extreme, they are viewed as miserable martyrs.”

    Sounds like a Greeny description with LGBTQ tendencies

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      OldOzzie

      Coal power on comeback trail as wind, solar falter

      Coal power staged a major resurgence in the June quarter, recording its first year-on-year growth in almost a decade amid a “drought” in wind power and increased demand, underscoring the disarray of the country’s transition to low-carbon energy.

      Data compiled by UNSW senior research associate Dylan McConnell shows a 6.5 per cent increase in coal power generation across the National Electricity Market in the April-June period from a year earlier, wrecking the downward trend in emissions from the sector.

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        John in Oz

        I can hear BOBowen’s response:

        “That’s why your power bills are high. We need more renewables as they are the least cost option (but don’t look behind the curtain to see that this is for generation, not end-user costs and we do not count transmission costs)”

        It’s also not the ‘first year-on-year growth in almost the last decade’ when looking at World coal consumption (a lot of it ours having been exported)

        There may be a further increse soon as gas supplies dwindle

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      Philip

      Love winter. But I have a fire.

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    GlenM

    Another silly survey that is meaningless. Fact remains that the majority have been led down the fairy path to this climate nonsense.

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      el+gordo

      Its millenarianism, guilt and sack cloth.

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        Annie

        I feel neither guilt nor any need to wear sackcloth!
        We also have yet another day of fog and no wind.

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      Well-Informed

      GlenM (and many others). In Nth Qld, every holiday resort…every island resort….every apartment, cabin, motel, hotel, campground is PACKED. Flight and arrival numbers are at record highs. Cruise ships anchor off from here every day, as Aussies do the Sydney to Cairns route. Cars and buses and caravans / motor-homes full of grey-nomads are causing highway traffic jams. THEN you tell me the masses (“the majority”) believe in the detrimental effects of burning fossil fuels? Huh? What?

      Facts are that hardly anyone is falling for the BS tale. A few neurotic sheilas in the city, and some soy boys doing what they hope will please the neurotics….and that’s about it. How often do I have to remind you of the following…A) last year’s Sydney school strike for climate got a miniscule <1000 hysterical kids (of leftists?) to attend (<1 in a thousand FFS) and B) The CSIRO has it's own ski club, which announces at it's AGM….every year…that climate change does not exist.

      Jeez guys. Hardly anybody believes any of it.Never have and never will. It’s a scam that every normal person woke up to years ago!

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    David Maddison

    Remember the scam in Northern Ireland where people harvested huge taxpayer subsidies to install wood boilers to heat empty sheds?

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-37084957

    Renewable Heat Incentive scheme: Experts investigate whistleblower’s ‘green heating fraud’ claim

    By Conor Macauley 15 August 2016

    Auditors said the scheme, which had been over generous and open to potential fraud, left taxpayers with a bill of at least £150m over five years.

    The plan involved installing wood boilers to heat empty buildings.

    There was no cap on the subsidy payments. The more heat you generated, the greater the subsidy you were paid.

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    Ronin

    Good on the majority of the Irish for calling it as they see it, I totally agree.

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    David Maddison

    54% of people said they have no intention to be vegetarian, and when asked about being vegan, 73% said “No”.

    The converse of these numbers is that 46% and 27% of people WOULD consider being vegetarian or vegan. Those figures themselves are alarming in that so many people would abandon animal products because they’ve been propagandised to think meat, fish, dairy, eggs etc. are bad.

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      Be careful. The converse really is that 46% or 27% will say they’d consider it because it’s what the questioner wants to hear, or because they want to believe they are “a good person” or that its “a healthy diet” and that’s what you are supposed to say.

      The number who would actually try it is less. The number who would stick with it is smaller still.

      And what does 5% “Not applicable” even mean in a question about adopting Vegan diets? That these people don’t eat food? Who are these people…

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    Neville

    What a stupid survey, but I suppose these delusional donkeys would like to see Ireland return to the extreme poverty of the previous one thousand years?
    Today Ireland has one of the highest GDP per capita in the world and I’m sure very few would like to return to the extreme poverty of previous centuries.
    Of course that would be ditto for most OECD countries citizens today and we should thank fossil fuels for laying the foundations for our much higher life expectancy and wealth over the last century.
    We can just look up the data online and be thankful we live in 2024 and not 1924 or 1824 or…..
    I would be very uncivil if any barking mad loony asked me any of those survey questions and I’d tell them to go and get far away or some other nasty suggestion.

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      Neville

      Again here’s the latest GDP per capita for a number of countries and note Ireland over the last decade and now China is slightly higher than the World average.
      The graphs are active and finish in 2022.

      https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-worldbank?tab=chart&country=USA~DEU~GBR~FRA~JPN~CHN~OWID_WRL~IRL~NOR~AUS~CAN

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        Neville

        We should also note that GDP per capita for China was just 1,424 $ in 1990 and in 2022 was 18,188 $.
        When will our crazy MSM,pollies and so called scientists etc start to wake up?

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          TdeF

          Unfortunately that’s completely fake showing Ireland as having a huge GDP, a glitch in the system. Microsoft and Apple set up in Ireland because of the ultra low tax rates and have moved hundreds of billions in trading through this tiny country for access both to Europe and the UK. That has ridiculously inflated the GDP without making the Irish much richer. It was clever of the Irish government but a tax haven is not necessarily a booming economy.

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        It’s not as stupid as most of their surveys. Usually they just ask how worried people are. This survey gives us (and them) an idea of just how superficial that “worry” is.

        So the world is going to end, but actually 6 out of 10 people are not going to give up their cars, their favorite food or their pets.

        That means they are not that worried. They don’t believe it’s harming them.

        Thanks. Added to the post.

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      Penguinite

      “Stupid is as stupid does”. We must be stupid to keep believing and accepting the crap being peddled by climate alarmists and government propagandists. Battery Baloney, Hydrogen Hype And ‘Green’ Fairy Tales Our last hope is that Albo calls an early election!

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    Old Goat

    The propaganda is failing as even most of the “less intelligent” are no longer buying the fictional narrative . People are prepared to recycle , but the rest is nonsense . Efficiencies will get adopted if they make sense from a value perspective but living in a cold house with no hot water doesn’t. The Irish are waking up to the effects of unlimited immigration too. Reality does bite…

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    John Hultquist

    I’m fond of the answer “I plan to do this in the longer term.”

    Why might you ask? I define “longer term” as 7.7 years. [ 7 is my favorite number.] More importantly, the US Social Security report based on the mortality experience of citizens says I have just 7.5 years before I reach ambient room temperature. Thus, when 2032 comes around, I expect to buy fewer items, live car free, and eat less. ClimateCult™ members are welcome to join the parade.

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      RicDre

      “7 is my favorite number”

      7 is my favorite number also because I was born on July 7th.

      I went to Las Vegas on my birthday in 1977 (7-7-77).

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    John Connor II

    Fake manmade climate change? Given all the news coming out of Ireland, they have bigger problems, REAL problems, to worry about, NOW not decades away.
    Focus on the reality or say goodbye to your country.

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    Honk R Smith

    I must be missing something.
    Who in government cares what people want?

    They’re just making the things they don’t want you to do unaffordable.

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      AlanG

      Absolutely – the majority are overridden by the minority (incl politicians and senior public servants). After being elected (by a silly preference system of voting), senior politicians do not act in favour of the majority, but instead act along party lines that are likely determined by those with their own vested interests at heart. So logic and commonsense are thrown out, much to the annoyance of those in the community that possess some semblance of logic and are able to be free thinkers (not accepting of constant govt gaslighting). Too much apathy (and lack of logic) in the general population contributes greatly to this.

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    Neville

    Just to check, Ireland’s life expectancy today is about 83 years or much higher than most of the world and slightly less than Australia.

    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/IRL/ireland/life-expectancy

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      TdeF

      A lot of the same people, as if it wasn’t obvious from the names. The potato famines were largely responsible. Like so many European countries, there are vastly more expatriate Irishmen than resident. Even Joe Biden claims to be both Irish and Catholic, except it’s hard to believe anything he says. Now he says he was the first woman Vice President under a black President. I think you could publish a book of his lies, often so outrageous you hope he is senile instead of habitual.

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    Stanley

    I was in Ireland for most of June; here are some observations:
    The most BEVs I saw were near Dublin where there are lots of motorways. Teslas are too big for the narrow winding country roads.
    Throughout the area near Kilkenny there are numerous signs “No to Solar pollution”. They don’t want farm areas hosting solar “farms”.
    There are numerous roof top solar companies flogging deals. These make no sense as Ireland is cloudy most of the time.
    At Donegal port there are stacks of wind turbine blades in storage. Some are heavily coated in green moss. Many wind turbines cover the hills however. Two coal power stations near Killimer Talbert are idling and surrounded by wind turbines.
    I met one local (a retired biochemist) who put the wet weather down to climate change caused by fossil fuel. When I asked him how much CO2 is in the air he said “20%”.
    Coal is important in the malting process for whisky production. Nice anthracite from Wales.
    To be sure!

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      John Hultquist

      If Dublin were in the SH, if would be a distance from OZ, deep in the Southern Ocean. Great place for solar.

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      Philip

      People have always and long blamed the weather on something.

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      Stanley

      Oh I forgot to add that, at Rathdrum the power went off and on for the two days we were there. The main pub “Jacob’s Well” closed the kitchen and we had Guinness and crisps for dinner, by candlelight. The accommodation at Greenan suffered outages such that the cold water pump was not working resulting in scalding showers! The owner put the outages down to the rapid increase in housing in the area.
      Palestinian flags throughout Ireland seemed to outnumber the Irish national flag. The highlight was a flag banner on a pub near Donegal that read “Zionists barred from this hotel”…. What does a Zionist look like?

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        TdeF

        My father’s family came from Kirikee near Rathdrum, itself near Wicklow and Glendalough. Charming though it is, I can see why they left. Even now.

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    Turtle

    I must be genetically prone to climate fatigue. I’ve had it bad for nearly twenty years.

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    Philip

    People don’t want to sacrifice anything. Those that say they do probably already do. For example, urban lifestyle no car, often makes sense, I’ve done it myself.

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    Neville

    Again , China’s life expectancy in 1950 was about 43.5 years and has increased to about 77.7 years today.
    The USA and China have about the same life expectancy today and certainly no downside for China’s use of record breaking tonnages of Coal since 1990.
    When will our loonies start to wake up?

    https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/CHN/china/life-expectancy

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      World and Chinese planners could never have predicted this massive increase in human and Chinese life longevity as it is totally against all of their “political” and diversity claptrap that we have to endure because that’s all funded by the billionaires who benefit from this diversity nonsense. TerenceM

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      Leo G

      Again

      … China’s life expectancy in 1950 was about 43.5 years and has increased to about 77.7 years today.

      Does that mean that in China a person who died in 1950 had a life expectancy at birth of 43.5 years and one who died today had a life expectancy at birth of 77.7 years?

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    Lance

    Ireland relies upon an entirely tech economy.

    https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-are-the-biggest-industries-in-ireland.html

    Wind/Solar/Renewable energy is totally inadequate to support the Irish economy.

    Without reliable energy, the Irish economy will collapse. Energy, today, is to Ireland, as the potato was in past history.

    Vegans? no. Either Ireland embraces energy, or poverty. That’s the choice.

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      Lucky

      Depends what you mean by ‘tech’.
      Ireland is host to offices of US companies that book in revenue from global activity. The costs are not booked to the Irish office so profits are very high. The special arrangements of a low tax rate means that Ireland gets the tax, tho’ it is small. The bulk of the profit, of this Irish office activity, is sent as dividends to the US.
      The US offices bear the costs, their profit is low or zero or negative so little if any tax is paid in the US, but they get the high incoming dividend streams.

      The book revenue of the nation is very high but the actual retained money flow is a small proportion.

      For this kind of business, windmills are sufficient.

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    Ruairi

    In Ireland we’re not to burn peat,
    For the climate and we’re not to eat meat,
    Nor travel too far,
    In a petrol run car,
    Explains why more greens lose a seat.

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    another ian

    Another dot to join –

    “McDonald’s Experiment Selling McPlant Burgers in the US Fails Spectacularly”

    https://legalinsurrection.com/2024/07/mcdonalds-experiment-with-selling-mcplant-burgers-in-the-us-fails-spectacularly/

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    another ian

    Another reminder –

    “Watch: 1982 Dan Rather’s CBS News report warning of ‘the so called greenhouse effect’ causing Florida to be flooded & a ‘widespread disruption of agriculture’”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2024/07/05/watch-1982-dan-rathers-cbs-news-report-warning-of-the-so-called-greenhouse-effect-causing-florida-to-be-flooded-a-widespread-disruption-of-agriculture/

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    TdeF

    What is really frustrating is that people are rejecting Nett zero, Climate Change, Ocean boiling, Drowning cities simply because they don’t care. It doesn’t affect them.

    If only the politicians showed the same complete apathy, everything would have been fine.

    Now we have to rebuild all the coal power stations. And start fracking for gas instead of complaining that there isn’t any gas and we’re really cold in winter. All we really wanted was a little warming. Most people would be better off, especially in Ireland.

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      TdeF

      I think if there was a poll where people were asked if they would like +2C all day, all year, most people in most countries would have said YES. Warmer winters, warmer nights, warmer spring and autumn. And the most dreaded, warmer summers.

      60% of humanity lives in places which used to be covered in a mile of ice and sometimes it feels like it’s coming back.

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        TdeF

        Where do people go on holiday? Somewhere warmer. A beach. Without the slightest concern for rising seas or boiling oceans.

        Where do people want to retire? Somewhere warm day and night all year. And they have saved enough to pay for the air conditioning.

        The whole of Dubai is airconditioned. The shops, the walkways, the train stations, the bus stops. Everything but the desert. And the beach is too hot anyway.

        So where is there a problem? Certainly not in Ireland or Scotland. And England declared a code yellow for an expected high of 28C. That just silly. But they do need to fix train lines which buckle on such days.

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    Will

    It isn’t really “climate ” fatigue. It is more MSM/Government/Bureaucratic Bull Effluent fatigue as the plebs have finally woken up to what they are being fed nonstop and it just includes the CO2 nonsense. If anyone can put a spanner in the WEF machine is the Irish but it could be too late.

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    Zigmaster

    I think as the climate debate rages these days it’s generally seen that the debate is not whether climate change is real but what you do about it. Sceptics have almost given up trying to convince people of the obvious truth that it is a fiction ( or a hoax) and cheer for nuclear not because they really think it’s the cheapest form of energy but it’s the least harm solution economically. When people say we have to do something, I always ask Why?
    I only barrack for nuclear because it’s too difficult to argue for coal. The indoctrination of the population is so complete that the world is warming and it’s our fault and we need to do something cause it’s a bad thing are now just assumed. No one really argues facts that the official temperatures have been so corrupted with random adjustments and homogenisations that it’s problematic whether the world has really warmed at all and if it has that CO 2 has had anything to do with it. No one argues that even if it has warmed that this may in fact be a good thing and that we shouldn’t really be doing anything to try to change this trend.
    The climate wars will never be truly won until people realise that all changes in weather and climate are natural and if they have concerns about the weather all we have to do is what we’ve been doing for the last 150 years which is adapt to it. This aspect of society’s evolution has meant that deaths from climate events have fallen over 95% . These figures have never been disputed so that if you want proof that climate change is a non problem this is it. That statistic is irrefutable.
    So when the Libs bring in nuclear to back up renewables my question is why do we need any renewables at all. Emissions should not play any role in energy decision making , cost and reliability should be the only criteria. If the government had tried to campaign on a platform of increased power prices and regular blackouts and destruction of manufacturing , farming and the environment I suspect they would not have been elected. So they orchestrate a lie that has a number $275 that they think if they repeat it often enough will become the truth. But reality is a bitch and having realised that the $275 was never going to happen voters are one national blackout from a Liberal government.

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    Geoff Sherrington

    Zig,
    It concerns me that the CC story is accepted even when we do calculations on real, historic data that show common claims to be wrong.
    I’ve shown overall that heatwaves in Australia’s big cities are NOT getting hotter, longer and more frequent.
    Many have shown no acceleration of sea level change at Fort Denison and elsewhere.
    Absence of comments that buck CC is part of the crook methods. Yesterday I found that monthly Tmin at Olympic Park set a new lower record for Melbourne last month, some 1.5 deg C lower than its recent temperatures. Have you seen this in news headlines?
    Melbourne shows a strong Urban Heat Island effect that is causing a false appearance of Global Warming. BOM let the fable persist.
    BOM homogenisation with Acorn-sat is a joke that could land you in jail if you tried it for mine reserve estimations.
    On and on, much more.
    Why do we have to tolerate ideologies and left politics from our institutions like BOM, CSIRO, AEMO etc?
    Geoff S

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      Bob Close

      I’me with you all the way Geoff. It’s very sad that the`elite’scientific entities and their political associates in Australia are so subservient to the UN climate dogma, they cannot put together a reputable cost/benefit analysis of comparative energy generation costs, or requirements for the future.
      You might enjoy my revised Amazon eBook `Climate Science-A Sceptical Review. Why there is no climate crisis.’
      On request I can send you a PDF.

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    Max

    Robert Idel published a great paper in 2021 called “Levelized Full System Costs of Electricity” (iaee2021.online.org ) which provides a comprehensive methodology of evaluating the cost of servicing the full system cost of the entire electricity market.

    What the paper highlights is the exponential cost of providing an ever increasing share of electricity relying on renewables. The first 20-30% share of the market is easy as base load support steps in when necessary. After that costs escalate until it is almost financially impossible to service the last 10% of the market.

    When taking ALL costs into account Renewables are the most costly option. Nuclear is cheaper. Gas is cheaper. Coal is cheaper. Hydro is the cheapest but not feasible in this country.

    Bowen is dreaming if he thinks that implementing a total renewable energy supply is feasible or even possible.

    BTW. Recent data shows Australians are dying slightly younger than in previous decades. Is this a case off Covid deaths or mysterious unidentified reasons?

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      Lance

      Robert Idel, re: Levelized Full System Costs of Electricity

      These papers are part of Rice University PhD candidate Idel. He provides a model to assess the full costs of providing power for different generator types. In comparing Wind/Solar LFCOE USD/Mw, for USA Texas, Wind/Solar are 7 to 10 times more expensive than Natural Gas Combined Cycle.

      Lots of very good information in these papers and ought be widely read. It is past time to stop being gaslighted by politicians and solar/wind/green purveyors about actual costs.

      LFSCOE
      https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4028640

      LFSCOE-95
      https://iaee2021online.org/download/contribution/fullpaper/1145/1145%5C_fullpaper%5C_20210326%5C_222336.pdf

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      David A

      Max, as I understand it many nations 4 years in from Covid, are yet running excess mortality around 10 percent. In most all prior years with one year of excess deaths,
      the next year is a year of below average mortality. Yet here we are with four years of excess morbidity (disabled number are very high) and excess mortality, despite years of the most vulnerable supposedly dead or already disabled having been elimiated.

      It is both Covid, the man made gain of function virus that is not now, nor ever was just a flu, and the vaccines, which cause the system to generate the pathogenic spike protein, (for longer then the virus with additional harms) Either product can and does penetrate the blood brain barrier, cause brain damage, and disable and maim, especially the immune compromised. Anything that harms the immune system, can and will cause a wide variety of harms.

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      Gob

      Max, you misspelt the url; https://iaee2021online.org is the address hosting the documents.

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    UK-Weather Lass

    In the UK attempts are being made to unravel exactly what did go on in Government during March, 2020. There is a notion that the whole operation had something to do with a man named Gates and his pharmaceutical “interests”.

    Not the brightest guy on the block, Mr Gates, even when it came to computing and so I am left very puzzled as to why he should be the go to guy for anything unless he offers you billions of banknotes perhaps. Humanity must be getting very, very desperate is all I can say.

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    Serge Wright

    And not one question in the survey to include people such as myself that intend to increase both their meat intake and car usage 🙁

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