NEWS: PROTEST IN CANBERRA Mon 4th (see below)
It’s Day 43 without food, and Peter Spencer grows weaker. For those who don’t know, Peter Spencer’s farm has been stolen from him by our government through Native Vegetation Legislation — which locked up 80 – 90% of his entire farm but paid him no compensation. The regrowth on his farm holds “carbon credits” of supposed value to the Commonwealth, yet Peter has been obliged by law to pay the rates on that land-that-holds-these-carbon-credits, and the mortgage for the right to do nothing with this land that really belongs to the Commonwealth. Is this not an extortionate tax?
Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has declined all requests to meet Peter.
In a grand failure of journalism, our largest dailies apparently think angry tweeting travelers is more important than that a $10 billion dollars crime, and a life in the balance.
Peter Spencer tried ingenious means to work within the rules. But he has been driven into bankruptcy. The 200 days he spent in court, with all costs associated with just trying to have his case heard, added to the burden. (200 days!) After there was no other route left open to him he started a hunger strike on the wind-monitoring pole atop his property.
“A spokesperson for Mr Rudd yesterday said the Government had “urged” Mr Spencer to stop the protest. … the Government believes this matter should be settled through the legal system…” [Source Daily Telegraph]
Listen to this heartbreaking interview of an articulate, dedicated and tenacious man brought down by a failure of the Australian legal system, the failure of the Australian free press, and a failure of successive governments at State and Federal Level and from both sides of the political fence. If you only have three minutes, listen from 5 minutes to the 8 minute mark.
Audio MP3 of Peter Spencer as he tells his story
If that link doesn’t work see the AgMates page for the interview.
http://www.rippleaffect.com.au/dewplayer.swf?mp3=http://agmates.ning.com/group/peterspencerhungerstrike/forum/attachment/download?id=3535428%3AUploadedFi35%3A47901&showtime=1
This poignant interview should leave any citizen chilled to the bone. We think we are free, we think our elected representatives are there to serve us. Yet if we are unlucky, we too could be crushed by government ruling, financial ruined, and effectively pecked to death by legislative vultures.
What Peter has been through is appalling. Government ineptitude or corruption has effectively forced him to be a slave of the Commonwealth with no just rewards for his work. Peter is now destitute, and his wife is Danish, so she has moved to Denmark so she could work as a pharmacist. He has hardly seen her in the last three years. His wife and children have made an emotional return to be with him in this desperate hour.
It is dire. The Sheriff has warned that they will repossess Peter Spencer’s farm within the next eight days, evict his supporters from his house, auction off his property and belongings, and sell his family heirlooms. Thirty years of toil and struggle destroyed. Peter has said they will have to drag him away.
Here is a top farmer, producing the finest merino wool or high grade trout, and even prepared to set up a wind farm, but has been cut to pieces bit by bit as each legislative change robbed him and his ingenuity of every possible productive use of his property.
Peter tried to set up a wind-farm. The Howard government changes the rules, making it unworkable (though Peter has fruitlessly invested some money prior to the changes). The Rudd government bought the renewable energy rules back, but too late for Peter. The multi-million dollar wind farm development story he speaks of in the interview was described by the ABC. If the developers buy his property (as they want to) they will save millions in royalties that Peter could have earned part of.
How many good farmers have already been pushed over the limit to the point where they used a gun, and were safely bewailed as a so-called victim of “drought” (and “climate change”)?
If there are farmers out there facing ruin and at the end of your tether, please, curry the strength to tell us your story, don’t let the fascists win. I don’t believe for a moment that the good people of Australia would let this grievously unfair fascist state grow stronger if they knew how bad it was. There are only a few times in our lives when we need to sit up and pay attention, but this is one of them. If we let them get away with stealing, with corruption, and with negligence the real fight in 5 or 10 years time will be that much harder and bloodier.
What can you do?
PROTEST in CANBERRA Monday Jan 4th. Brief Details of the March. Arrive at 10.30 at Magna Carta Park, behind Old Parliament House Canberra. Various speakers will address everyone assembled. March will go to New Parliament house & then to the Lodge where more speeches / activities will occur.
See http://www.sosnews.org/ for more info. Contact Alistair McRobert on 02 64545141 if you need to chat about precise details
Plenty of little things make a big difference. Join the AgMates supporters of Peter Spencer’s, or write to your elected representative, and send messages to your friends. Warn them that the media is not giving them the real news. Write letters to your newspapers. Shame them for their failure. Why isn’t Kevin Rudd being embarrassed over his failure to even meet with Peter Spencer? There ought be nothing less than an immediate Royal Commission.
The only Australian newspaper which is treating this seriously is The Daily Telegraph, which also did a story a few days ago. The Advertiser may have run a reprint? The Australian only covered it accidentally as a chance to ping Barnaby Joyce. Readers of The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, The West Australian, The Mercury and The Courier Mail, wouldn’t have any idea that this travesty and dire situation is unfolding. Their readers ought to be angry. Let’s shame them into doing their jobs.
My previous story on Peter Spencer, where comments are still running strong.
UPDATE: SHOCK! PROTEST BUSES MAY HAVE BEEN CANCELED BY RTA?
Could this be real? An unnamed officer from the Roads and Transport Authority (RTA) has said that five inspectors were dispatched to the North and the West of the state to target buses headed for Canberra for this protest. At least two bus drivers have confirmed that their buses were booked to go, but have been cancelled due to the RTA harassment. Buses can be held for up to six hours in the road side inspection places whilst being assessed for mechanical defects and and driving breaches. It’s all “technically” legal and profoundly disturbing.
Late additions:
PROTEST in CANBERRA Monday Jan 4th. Brief Details of the March. Arrive at 10.30 at Magna Carta Park, behind Old Parliament House Canberra. Various speakers will address everyone assembled. March will go to New Parliament house & then to the Lodge where more speeches / activities will occur.
See http://www.sosnews.org/ for more info. Contact Alistair McRobert on 02 64545141 if you need to chat about precise details
UPDATE: SHOCK! PROTEST BUSES MAY HAVE BEEN CANCELED BY RTA?
Could this be real? An unnamed RTA officer has said that 5 inspectors were dispatched to the North and the West of the state to target buses headed for Canberra for this protest. At least two bus drivers have confirmed that their buses were booked to go, but have been cancelled due to the RTA harrassment. Buses can be held for up to 6 hours in the road side inspection places whilst being assessed for mechanical defects and and driving breaches. It’s all “technically” legal and profoundly disturbing.
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What a travesty! I am an American so I do not understand Australian Laws or the country’s legal system but it appears they are suspiciously similar to what we have in the U.S. In my country we were raised to believe that a mans home was his castle. The U.S. Supreme Court recently ruled that the states eminent domain rights trump the rights of private property owners. In essence, if the government feels it needs your property they can take it but they do have to pay for it, usually below fair market value. After the Supreme Court’s ruling, several states enacted laws to protect the property rights of individuals and to limit the government’s eminent domain powers. Unfortunately, not all states have enacted changes to blunt the Supreme Courts ruling. If the U.S. EPA can regulate CO2 which is what we exhale I believe we will see something similar to what is happening in Australia here in the states but on a much grander scale. The global warming scam is a trojan horse the left is using to control everyone on the planet. It is beyond Orwellian.
Mr. Spencer is a brave man and I hope his countrymen rally to his cause. If that is going to happen it will be up to sites such as yours, Jo, to get the ball rolling. The MSM cannot control the internet, at least not yet. Being the eternal optimist I am I believe that the great people of Australia will not stand for this and the enemies of freedom and liberty will eventually be defeated. I hope it happens before Mr. Spencer suffers martyrdom.
As Thomas Jefferson once said, “When the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty.” I pray we look back at Mr. Spencer’s plight as a turning point and that this global warming fiasco finally comes crashing down. How many must suffer before this madness ends?
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The bus situation – ‘Green Fascism’ at its subtle best? I don’t know. However, nothing would surprise me these days, as far as property ownership and life in general in Australia goes. We certainly seem to be living in a far more ‘regulated’ environment.
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I sincerely hope that the protests can shake up and wake up Australia. You deserve better.
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Eddy,
Take a look at the “Wholesale Theft in the Name of Carbon” thread and let us know if you want to join the effort.
Roy
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PS to Jo,
Off topic I know, but I hope you’ll be tolerant of us. We want to get off your site as soon as we can but I can’t pass up an opportunity to ask for a volunteer. I hope you understand.
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At last after 10 long years of appealing to ministers,media and lobby groups JO NOVA is a voice for WEST AUSTRALIANS.
The swan coastal stratergy plan 1999 from Dongara to Bunbury locked up private property use, now to all the property owners affected i urge you to start acting now, writing to ministers and media.
but more so listen to the story direct from peter himself on radio 2sm .
Thanks to Jo and the many support teams and long years of reading. THANKS TO OUR REAL HERO PETER SPENCER.
LINDA WA
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@Roy Hogue
I just finished cancer treatment for cancer (it was successful) and have started a new company which occupies most of my waking hours. I cannot budget the time to go to Australia but if I could I would be on the next flight. If there is anything I can do to help from the U.S. please let me know. Seeing what Mr. Spencer has been forced to endure makes my blood boil!
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Eddy,
We’re in the U.S. not Australia. Your time involvement need not be too extensive. I expect to have limited time in the near future myself. Your oil industry knowledge might be an asset to us. We’re all volunteers.
What Say?
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@ Roy Hague Forgive me foe assuming that you were in Australia as the site attracts people from all over the world. In response to your request: I am ready, willing and able.
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I meant “for” instead of “foe”, sorry. I am so angry about this disgrace that I am not spending time checking my spelling and grammar. If it were up to me, Al gore and the rest of the ecofascist elite would be forced to fly coach to Australia and plow fields for Mr. Spencer using their tooth brushes!
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It is shameful that hypocritical Kevin Rudd and Nancy Wong should reduce a man to this. What I feel like doing I cannot say. To say the least it wouldnt be lawful.
This is end effect of the AGW scam. It will take away our freedoms, our livelihoods and our dignity. Freedom is precious and it is worth fighting for. What is happening to Peter Spencer is a symptom of the things to come.
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MP3 not working.
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Flints,
Another interview with Peter Spencer here: http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/stories/2009/2764313.htm
with Michael Duffy on Counterpoint.
This is the only time Peter’s story has been told on the ABC so far as I know, and nobody in the government has yet responded to the interview. I’d dearly love someone to explain the future of agriculture in Australia if all our farming land is going to be locked up. Are we going to move our farm jobs to China too?
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Dear Joanne,
I have read on WSJ (http://online.wsj.com/article_email/SB10001424052748704007804574574053846536712-lMyQjAxMDA5MDAwODEwNDgyWj.html) what follows:
“The Australian Senate last week defeated Prime Minister Kevin Rudd’s cap-and-trade legislation, largely due to its job-killing potential in the coal-producing continent.”
Forgive my ignorance regarding Australian land legislation: What specific legislation forces Mr. Spencer to lock his land even with the defeating of the cap-and-trade?
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[…] KRudd fascism […]
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Eddy,
If you haven’t already seen it, use the invitation link back on the Wholesale Theft… thread.
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[…] But then we see landholders having their properties identified as conservation areas rendering them unable to make a living from that portion of their property. Yet the governmnet is abe to get carbon credits from that conservation area – not the landholder. The value of the property is substantially diminished and the governmnet continues to expect full rates on the property. As Joanne Nova rightly calls it – Fascism. […]
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@ Roy Hague
I got to take my son for a bike ride and I don’t have time to go to the other thread. email me at eddy@z1rllc.com. Thank you, Jo, for your tolerance and I apologize if I have gone off topic.
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Rudd is no better than Mugabe.
What shameful treatment of this poor man. Where’s the Aussie sense of fair play gone?
Iain, UK.
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Gerson:
It is state legislation that has the land tied up. go to:http://www.environment.nsw.gov.au/vegetation/nvmanagement.htm
As with most government initiatives, the website reads as if it is a good thing for people to support this scheme. That is until someone like Peter Spencer shows us how little control you have over you own land.
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Having been a “visitor” to several countries around the world during my active duty military days, I have always followed a general policy of avoiding any comment on “foreign” (to the U.S.) politics. But this situation with Peter Spencer is a real travesty that surely must be dealt with if freedom is to be maintained “down under.”
I’m too old and decrepit to be of much use to anyone, especially so far away, but I would urge every Australian to defend Mr. Spencer with all vigor and haste. I will quote Thomas Paine, a famous American pamphleteer at the time of our revolution:
“If we do not hang together, we shall surely hang separately.”
Good luck in your battle, where ever it takes you, and let us hope it is not too late to save Mr. Spencer’s life and property.
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Very moving listening to Peter Spencer. A good man harpooned by retrospective legislation. Shame on the powers that be for crucifying a man who did everything he could to earn his own living and was cut down at every turn. This could be the thin end of the wedge for all of us.
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Before I comment, please believe that I have no commercial angle commenting here on moso bamboo. My stuff isn’t ready for exploitation and is not for sale. I do, however, have a strong point to make.
Millions of acres of temperate/subtropical regrowth scrub, bladey grass, whiskey grass, marginal holding land could be put to use growing temperate bamboos which are low cost, low impact…and moso, the type I grow, is possibly the world champion carbon muncher (for what that’s worth!). It turns paddocks of lantana into all those fashionable products you see in shops: flooring and cabinet timbers, clothes, bedding. Even without the processing industries to support it, it’s good for food and fencing. It only likes growing in a few parts of the world; the good news is, it loves the temperate/subtropical zone of Eastern Oz.
There’s probably no other product with the carbon potential of moso, but I’ll bet in other parts of Oz there are useful crops and species worth some wary and prudent investment by government. Instead, they steal land which is doomed to be turned to the atmospheric carbon they claim to fear when fire takes it – just like it took Canberra’s “green” landscaping.
If carbon was the real issue here, government would be doing what I’m doing. They’re not. Government is stealing Peter’s land for the reasons that overweening governments have always stolen. A mix of agenda, face saving, and stupidity.
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This story remind me of something:
What’s the difference between a robber and a socialist?
None, they both believe in wealth redistribution.
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Could this be real? … 5 “inspectors” were dispatched … to target buses headed (to) this protest. At least two bus drivers have confirmed … (cancellation by way of) RTA harassment. Buses may be held for up to 6 hours (at) roadside inspection places … — all “technically” legal …
Those Australians who support the Peking-predator and Socialist International-subordinate mobbed-up-unionized modified-Marxist KRudd Gang, aught know it was such of that earlier smarmy wordsmith, Hitler’s, clerks and petty functionaries that made the Third Reich function — and ran its camps.
Facts well known and understood by those Australians who do not support Canberra’s latest in a lengthening line of the Labour potty’s petty temper-tantrum-tossing tyrants — who loath and despise the loathsome and fearsome actual Australian dictatorship — the one resident in the third and fourth and fifth-generation permanently-parasitical Labour-potty-activist feral-gummint permanent public “service” — and all propped and protected by the lock-stepping Goebbelesesque propagandist/pamphleteer Pravda “Press” that promulgates the self-anointed, self-appointed and self-perpetuating predatory packs every public pronouncement.
Well known and understood by those who have an eye on History and — as helplessly as the Modern Australian Hero, Mr Spencer, watches his last few days on Earth — have watched as Marxism morphed into modified-Marxism, into Fabian “socialism,” into Fabian fascism and, finally, into the full-blown fascism by way of which, in the thirty-odd years since the traitor, Whitlam, set them loose on the nation, an insidious Canberra cabal of unelected elitists has stripped away every Australian Constitutional Guarantee of Life, of Individual Liberty, of Private Property — and of Rule of Law.
And, while, in the process, effectively surrendering Australia’s sovereignty to Peking’s, to Moscow’s and to the un’s gangs of looters, thieves, dictators, thugs and mass-murderers, have both (via the tyrant’s tools that are the twin tyrannies of “multiculturalism” and “political-correctness”) Balkanized once homogeneous Australia – to keep you all distracted — and have insidiously made and once-Free Australia into the world’s most surveilled state. Have essentially enslaved a nation of Free Men to the as-insidious, as-faceless and as-mindless bloody bureaucrats (as Canberra’s) that comprise the working machinery of the Socialist International and of the un, and of the every other international gang to which they have subordinated Australia — and from which they take their orders.
Pay attention, Australians. For as goes your Greatest Modern Hero, Peter Spencer?
So goes Australia.
So go you all!
Brian Richard Allen
Lost Angels – Califokruddicated 90028
And the Very Far Abroad
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Rod Smith – Thank you.
Patrick Henry spoke to this situation when he said:
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death!”
And the tyrant against which America’s Founding Fathers then railed was a Boy Scout by comparison with the insidious domestic and international manifestations of evil against which both of our nations now struggle.
Australia, over whose government and people Canberra’s faceless fascists have held essentially unfettered sway these past thirty-five or so years and whose feral and state and local gummints already squander by far the biggest percentage of GDP – of the confiscated wealth of the nation’s most innovative, creative, industrious and productive — and which, with Israel, has long been one of America’s only two real allies, on the planet — is probably already lost to fascism. To totalitarianism.
Only time — a very short time, I’m predicting — will tell.
And we Americans have 11 months to save ourselves and our own beloved fraternal republic. And, with it, to save, from itself and from the barbarians at its gates and from those already within its walls — and who “run” its governments — the very Judeo-Christian/Western/Human Civilization of which we have for so long been the vanguard — and must forever guard.
And of which Mr Peter Spencer represents the Alamo!
Cordially
B A – L A – CA – and Far Away
And, for those of you who’ll forgive me the bandwidth — and who have the time:
“Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death!”
Patrick Henry – 03/23/1775
Peter Spencer – 01/04/2009
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not [Jer. 5:21], the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss [Matt. 26:48]. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free– if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending–if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained–we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!
They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us [2 Chron. 32:8]. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone [Eccl. 9:11]; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable–and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace [Jer. 6:14]. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle [Matt. 20:6]? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
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Even if one grants that there is a carbon crisis, why is there a need for a continuous acreage of “carbon sink”? When a National Park is formed it needs to have certain dimensions for protection of species etc. Why should the same apply to carbon sequestration? Do these people think carbon will gather in one spot, like a frost? One could also ask why harvested timber in a warehouse is not “sequestered carbon” if kept safe from rotting or burning. If the timber came from mature trees and is replaced within a forest by younger trees there is a further carbon benefit.
One thing is sure: a large tract of “native” or “pristine” wilderness that is abandoned to green burning and clearing policies is not going to be a carbon sink. It’s going to BURN and make tonnes of atmospheric carbon.
Let’s hope the policy makers who are stealing Peter Spencer’s property are merely stupid and have no knowledge or commonsense about the Australian bush. If they’re not merely stupid, then I fear we, as well as Peter, have a serious problem.
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When australians allowed their Gubmint to take their guns…
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Surely Rudd is at the crossroads. It seems his penchant for writing weighty essays has given way to this. More serious matters are however at hand. His refusal to meet Peter Spencer and deal with a situation that has the potential to make Australia the laughing stock of the civilised world has been compounded by this offer for a personal briefing from Lord Monckton. Given the poor reception of the weighty essays and current journalistic direction one wonders if Rudd is really up to the task of governing. Talk about the chooks coming home to roost! Rudd has been strutting about the world stage like the venerable rooster. He’s made so much noise that he’s been noticed and unfortunately for him made himself into a much bigger target. Soon to be hoisted on his own petard is our Rudd. Too bad it wasn’t in time for the new year fireworks!
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mosomoso asks us to hope the (Canberra Collective-ists) who are stealing Peter Spencer’s property are merely stupid and have no knowledge or commonsense …. “”
Rest assured, my dear mosomoso, that they — their inner cabal and its consiglieres perhaps apart — and as are the clerks and paper-pushers, petty apparatchiks and the goons who do every fascistic tyranny’s dirty work — are indeed merely stupid.
Mindlessly, like an ants’ nest, stupid.
But your fear is not at all misplaced. And every Australian, not just Australia’s Last Hero, Mr Spencer, has a very very very serious problem.
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I’m a bit too angry to comment appropriately so I’ll keep it simple….
As an ex-commercial fisherman, QLD prawn trawler owner operator, I know only too well the Government’s willingness to develop eco regulation to destroy industry… The regulations aren’t designed to protect or enhance and they are not developed using good scientific method… They are designed purely to enforce green ideology and limit private industry and endeavour within those areas they deem necessary….
Commercial fishermen were lucky that National Party member Ron Boswell and others, were instrumental in getting compensation via a licence buy back scheme….. So I took 30 pieces of taxpayers silver over financial ruin and principle, and fled.
This is the vile thing in all this. The Green economy and ideology steals everyone else’s money to fund their regulations and ideology. Their economy produces nothing except bureaucracy and regulation. It destroys enterprising people, ruins working industry and limits the aspirations of any who dare to dream.
The Government, in it’s lie to save the world, involves itself in every aspect of you business and life…. Us Trawler owners, in the end even had mandatory satellite tracking installed, but subsidized by taxpayers, So that they could monitor our every movement.
I feel for Mr Spencer. I really do. I pray he doesn’t harm himself and that people will rally to his cause. I have a fear that the Bureaucracy does not understand the depth of the violent feeling that boils so close to the surface as they go about their business of enforcing and implementing their government master’s policies….
In the end, this Government is going to have to step back. These are fundamental freedoms that they are fooling around with. This land clearing and carbon issue must be repealed as quickly as possible and our rights to property ownership within the constitution publicly clarified by the government. The idea of a “Green economy” and its socialistic implications, must be abandoned. Our freedom as individuals is at stake.
Stay strong Mr Spencer.
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I ma be wrong, but isn’t this a Howard era policy, not a Rudd one? Save the partisanship for the football, ladies and gents.
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LB asks that we not confuse the un-and-anti-Australian actions and activities of the almost absolutely irrelevant and redundant elected (il)Liberal party’s politicians’ permanently-parasitical elitist public-service mandarins with the the un-and-anti-Australian actions and activities of the not-quite absolutely irrelevant and redundant elected Labour potty politicians’ permanently-parasitical elitist public-service mandarins.
Says to do so is “partisan.”
OK.
And now perhaps LB’ll ask of us something worthy of our considerable talents, why doncha??
Cordially – Brian
B A – L A – CA – and The Very Far Away
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I too am too angry to comment, but I can’t let LB’s comment at #31 pass.
Irregardless of which era this policy/law came from, the fact remains RUDD IS THE CURRENT PM and hence this is in his power to do something about.
On the question of who said what and who protested or not during Howards tenure, that’s a partisan issue seperate from the solutions needed NOW from THIS PM.
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J. Hansford @30
Yes, I get mad too.
Any business which advertises its product or service as “green” will not get my dollar.
I like Viscount Monckton’s description:
Why do they call themselves green?
Because they are too yellow to admit that they are really red!
LB @31
You are probably right. I never liked Howard as I always saw him as a pusillanimous, obsequious little twit too keen to have a ‘bob’ each way. He could have come out against the green madness but didn’t. I was actually glad that he lost his seat.
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I do not know if the end of the AGW scam will come in time to save Mr.Spencer but as I have said somebody will turn states evidence to save his own hide. Now, they are offering a reward to any of Michael Mann’s cohorts who will blow the whistle on him.They can save their own skin and get thirty pieces of silver for their services. As the link points out, under U.S. law the whistle blower is entitled to a percentage of the money the taxpayers were defrauded out of even if the prosecution of the accused is unsuccessful and no money is recovered. See http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100021135/climategate-michael-manns-very-unhappy-new-year/ This is much worse for Mann than a lump of cole in his stocking! I am still betting that indictments will be handed up and this is an explosion that will span the Atlantic.
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A great deal of justifiable anger and distress has been generated by the plight of Peter Spencer and his appalling treatment by all levels of Government. There are many people working hard to resolve this issue and it’s to be hoped that with an increase in MSM attention, a positive outcome can be negotiated for Peter and his family.
However, I don’t believe that the over-the-top, soap-box, anti-government oratory of Brian Richard Allen (@ post #24 and #25) is quite what this discussion needs. Please Brian could you turn the volume down just a little, and speak to us in a more normal manner?
Whilst I tend to agree with many of the points you have made, it’s the style of your delivery that is a bit overwhelming. BTW, you don’t have a close relative in Sydney named Stephanie do you? Your style is similar to a certain lady who frequents the airwaves at 2GB. (Bless her)
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Eddy Aruda@35.
Thank You Sir, for that link. I have just finished work, dog tired, however this has made my day. Thank You once again.
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How the hell did the Nats let this legislation slip through? They are part of the Coalition after all. What the hell were they thinking? They have some explaining to do.
The parties of free enterprise? Yeah, right!
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Mark:
January 4th, 2010 at 5:28 pm
How the hell did the Nats let this legislation slip through? They are part of the Coalition after all. What the hell were they thinking? They have some explaining to do.
The parties of free enterprise? Yeah, right!
The Trouble with this whole AGW scam is that it gained credibility… It needed to be fought along idealogical grounds and by using the science…. This was Howards mistake. Once you start playing the fools game with ruthless fools, they drag you down and beat you with experience.
Howard should never have tried to limit damage and play word games with legislation. He should have simply rejected AGW politics as prepostrous on economic grounds and moved on… But that is now history.
…. It is Rudd’s problem now… He is the Prime Minister. Labor is the Govnernment of the day. They need to start by repealing the Native Vegetation Legislation… Pronto. Then they can start looking into the science behind this whole AGW scam.
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For those who would shift the blame for this to Libs/Nats, please read this You will find that Rudd hides behind successive Labor State governments across Australia that have locked up land use since the early nineties. This issue is bigger than Peter Spencer and I’m certain his strength and commitment comes from just that. IPCC policies have been adopted by Labor state governments across Australia for years. Anyone working in the property sector will know what it takes to get a project up, particularly in NSW. Try debating climate science with NSW government bureaucrat and see what you get. Word for word IPCC propaganda parroted off is the order of the day. The sheer momentum of the AGW bus is staggering and it will take a massive iceberg to stop this Titanic. Record cold is a great start. I hope the mainstream media get behind Peter and other landowners before the next major bushfire season reinforces what many already know. There is a disaster waiting to happen on a scale unimaginable.
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I’m disgusted that Australian law can be used in this way.
Where’s your head of state when you need her? (I’m a Pom and a disillusioned monarchist). As usual, she remains silent.
Australia have led the way – at least in the anglophone world – in questioning AGW but this disgraceful case demeans your country.
Peter Spencer shows true grit. The best of luck in your support for him.
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J. Hansford @40.
One telling point about the Coalition currently is the absence from the front bench of Dennis Jensen. Ex CSIRO scientist and sworn enemy of AGW. He’s probably not prepared to play the game as his maiden speech included a strong attack on AGW.
Tony Abbott once described AGW as “crap” so he’s backslid a bit to my way of thinking. What do others think?
Yes, Peter Spencer is Rudd’s problem now but we all know that in the end, Labor couldn’t give a damn about farmers in general.
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Dear bunny
Thank you for paying attention to your plight.
And, now I have your attention “I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me also remind you that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.” — Barry Goldwater.
I thank you for your anticipated kind attention.
Cordially – Brian
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http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/01/03/climate-change-proposed-personal-briefing/
Please go to the link above and read the letter sent to your prime minister by Lord Monckton. Broadcast this as far and wide as you can.
Freedom and ownership are not a given right, your land, your money and your life can be enslaved bit by bit by the political class.
Peter Spencer is a cause worthy of a stand for freedom of ownership and livelihood, if this case is lost then they can do what they like with us.
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I’m not denying that it is Rudds responsibility to do something about it now, I’m just sick of people blaming Rudd for the actual policy. A lot of skeptics seem to be pinning all their pet dislikes to the anti-AGW banner, so instead of being about the science it becomes anothe platform to bash whichever political party they happen to dislike. By all means criticise where it is deserved, but don’t blame a government for a policy not of their making.
Baa Humbug, please do not say irregardless when you mean regardless or irrespective, it just makes you look silly.
Brian Richard Allen, blaming Rudd for a Howard policy (as opposed to blaming him for his lack of response to the issue, which is another matter) IS overly partisan and just makes all AGWers look like Liberal party stooges. This issue is far too important to be split along party political lines.
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Sorry to double post, but Simon le Rosbif (love the name, by the way) her Majesty can onl intervene in constitutional matters, and AGW is certainly not constitutional. Unfortunately I don’t believe property laws are part of our constitution either.
As far as I’m concerned, I am grateful we have a constitutional monarchy keeping some power out of the hands of politicians despite nearly too decades of attacks on the institution.
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LB-
As a proud Engishman I’m afraid your confidence in the Monarchy is misplaced.
They have no real power and live in fear of a repubic if they ever dared to try and use it. No matter – there is no-one there brave enough to take action anyway.
Rob.
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LB: I’m just sick of people blaming Rudd for the actual policy.
If the current politicians take advantage of a policy that violates individual rights, they are just as guilty as the political thugs who instituted the policy. By their actions, they agree with the policy and are therefore guilty as charged. It is immaterial that they did not actually vote for its implementation. That is simply a distinction without a practical difference to the one who’s rights are violated as well as to the rest of us.
Its interesting that politicians act as if natural law and the laws of logic are mere piffles subject to their whims but the laws passed by their fellow politicians, once enacted, become as immutable and pervasive as fire is hot, water is wet, and rocks are hard. It’s as of they think they become gods by the simple act of taking political office. Truly power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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If the link doesn’t work try this Agmates page for the download
http://agmates.ning.com/group/peterspencerhungerstrike/forum/topics/peter-spencer-interview-on-2sm
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Exactly what they all think! Witness Obama!
It’s our job to disabuse them of this belief!
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This is the kind of misconduct that I am currently addressing by way of legal proceedings.I am seeking to attack the root of the problem by using whistleblowing legislation that applies in the U.S., the U.K. and some commonwealth nations. With my associates working at climategate.com we are going after the inner ring of corrupt climatologists on whose work this entire travesty is premised.
I am seeking assistance from concerned scientists, journalists, lawyers and civil liberties campaigners to assist us in the fight for justice. Our growing team of legal experts has already launched our first initiative this morning on Penn. State University’s Michael Mann. My associate, former CIA intelligence officer, Kent Clizbe, has sent personal emails to all 27 co-workers of Michael Mann offering them a substantial multi-million reward as whistleblowers on Mann’s falsification of climate data. We are looking to recover from these individuals and institutions there ill-gotten funds. Please come join us, help in any way you can to bring down this global network of racketeers. Their empire is built on tax payer dollars and we want them to pay it back. The ring leaders who hope to put behind bars. For more information visit http://www.climategate.com/penn-state-climategate-whistleblowers
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Hell Joanne – I thought the UK government were pretty bad, but this grab of a man’s land seems more like China or Russia.
It is totally inadequate but Peter Spencer has my Very Best Wishes and will be in my thoughts.
Thank you Joanne for bringing Peter’s plight to a wider audience.
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you guys are wonderful and masters in twisting the truth , how about a title like : a land thief got stolen bigger thieves , I cannot have one shred of sympathy for an Australian farmer who is exploiting stolen lands for the benefits of corporations and banks and who at his turn got ripped off by the same government corporations banks he was serving and bowing to …not to mention that these farmers are modern day exclavagist who use under paid migrant workers kept in a state of semi slavery …do you expect me to have sympathy for this guy although his case might sound fair at first glance …No F%#* way
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Jo, you have an error about Peter Spencer’s family.
Peter’s 4 children, Kahn, Aaron, Sarah and Emma flew in from Grand Rapids, Michigan on Christmas Day. Aaron’s fiance came too and also Saxon who is Sarah’s 3rd child.
Peter’s Danish partner Anna and 2 young sons Jessie and Jeremy did not come to Australia. All three are still in Denmark.
Cheers
Anne
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I hope I copied the right link as follows:
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?tid=303
Articles Tagged “Open Letter/Fax”
Sorted by: Date Posted | Viewsview the latest news articlesLetter sent from: The Viscount Monckton of Brenchley to His Excellency Mr. Kevin Rudd, Prime Minister, Commonwealth of Australia.
You will notice that while this poor man starves for his freedom, 114 of your best govies toddle off to COP3 to brag about Austrailia’s contribution to CO2 reduction. This is insane!
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the title should be a land grabber from Australia got robbed by his own government of settles land thieves and crooks …you should all pack you belongings and go back to your European swamps , china is coming , the land of Australia should be used to feed the billion and half Chinese not a handful of British settlers and thieves ,..
sorry I just got too emotional this morning when someone send me this link , i cannot believe an Australian is bragging about his ‘land stolen’ , by the way I am not Chinese but the common sense says that Australia should belong to China and sooner or later Australia one of the latest British colonies should be free from the colonizer Britts…
feel free to dislike my comment I am not going to change my mind over it
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The theorist, you are either mentally retarded or insane.
Lionel, I am not denying that Rudd bears responsibility for this issue now. He does. But he did NOT create this policy, as many people have claimed. It is that innaccuracy I am objecting to, not people criticising Rudd for his lack of action on the issue. Howard and Rudd are both culpable, but Rudd did not create the problem.
Rob H, I disagree with your assessment. Republicanism is at an all time low in Britain, and the monarchy knows it. While they do not exercise power themselves, they prevent the government of the day from having absolute power. In the words of Winston Churchill “The Crown is not remarkable for the power it wields, but the power it denies others.”
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@ The Theorist
All though the modern world has evolved and it is politically incorrect to conquer other countries and colonize them it was the normal course of history. if we follow your course of action and Australia was given back to the Chinese, the Chinese would have to give it back to the huns and so on and so on. The Japanese would have to vacate Japan and give their country back to the Ainu. The British of Norman Saxon decent would have to give England back to the Celtic tribes. The U.S. would have to give the land back to the Indians (native americans) Central and South America would need to be returned to the native americans. Maybe we could clone some Neanderthals and give the world back to them? As Rodney King once said, “Can’t we all just get along?”. Should the legitimate grievances of indigenous people be addressed and injustices rectified? I believe so. That being said, maybe you should adapt a more realistic approach to the problem that concerns you. I am sure you are an exception to the rule but it has been my experience that people who lack compassion for others seem to feel that, when adversity strikes them, that the world should come running to their aid.
BTW, I thought the indigenous people of Australia were Aboriginal, not Chinese. The Chinese are coming? Well, perhaps you should form a civilian defense group or, if you’re pro communist China, start your own Red Guard Unit. Maybe you can begin the revolution? Oh, I forgot, Communism never worked which is why the Chinese have abandoned it for a hybrid capitalist system. Perhaps you could set a good example for the rest of us and get the hell out of Australia unless you are indigenous. Try swimming back to your native land with an ecofacist under each arm. Why in the Hell should China own Australia, a country they never occupied?
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Ha, no Queen in Queensland. Our Gumermint has written her outa the constitution! We the people of Qld are all chattels of that Gummermint and the Governor is answerable only to the Qld parliament. See “Brigalow Corporation” in a Google search.
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January 4th, 2010 at 7:20 am
“…Forgive my ignorance regarding Australian land legislation: What specific legislation forces Mr. Spencer to lock his land even with the defeating of the cap-and-trade?”
The onerous legislation affecting Peter Spencer is the Native Vegetation Legislation. What was recently defeated in the Senate was Kevin Rudd’s and the Labor Party’s Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme, CPRS.
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DL:
January 5th, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Ha, no Queen in Queensland. Our Gumermint has written her outa the constitution!
Ha…There’s no “land” in Queensland either. Well, not if you want private title to it;-)
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My humble contribution to Peter: an article showing the Brazilian media, for the first time, his struggle:
http://www.midiaamais.com.br/ambientalismo/2098-a-greve-de-fome-de-peter-spencer-e-as-profecias-de-fome-da-onu
“A greve de fome de Peter Spencer e as profecias de fome da ONU” or in English “Peter Spencer’s hunger strike and the UN’s famine profecies”
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@Eddy Aruda nice twisted logic you have there …China should not own Australia to feed its 1.5 billion inhabitant , and instead it should be owned by a handful of descents of britts convicts coming from the other side of the planet ….you barbarians have massacred the owners of the land whom you called until recently part of the fauna and flora of the land (you did not even consider them humans) I know the land belongs to the stronger not to the just , sooner or later with China becoming a power they will come and throw you in the ocean to feed the sharks and take the land ……Australia New Zealand America and Canada are all British colonies although your anglo saxon media do not call it such …you can lie and believe your lies it won’t change the reality….I am just asking you to leave now and go back to your swamps before you will end up in the belly of sharks …
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The Theorist, your lunatic rantings wont change reality, which is that Australia is an Anglo-Saxon country and will be remaining so indefinitely. China will never come here, no power has the ability to impose its will on a continent the size of Australia from such a distance. This ignores the fact that China needs usto sell them resources, cut that supply through hostility and the economy grinds to a halt.
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The Theorist,
Confucius say, “Man with head where sun not shining always in dark.”
We have seen you before — laughed then and we laugh now. It’s really easy to figure out what you don’t like. I can find such people on any street corner. What’s a little bit harder to find is someone with a constructive way forward. You are not that guy!
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China lecturing us about racism? Hmmm, so is that the Han Chinese who should be colonizing Australia? Or maybe it should be the Uighur or perhaps the Tibetan? China is too busy repressing their own people to take action in far away places.
How are those various minority groups in China going to swallow your “land belongs to the stronger” attitude? Maybe they think you are talking about taking their land, hey wait, you are taking their land. Does the Chinese government allow your war mongering blog to be seen by Chinese people? Better hide it away quick before your secret police catch you giving us a warning.
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Facism is a left-wing phenomenon. When Mussolini started his Fascisti movement in Italy around the 1920s, he was praised by communist leaders in Russia as being the leading socialist in the world. Only later did Stalin disown him, as the “national” part of Mussolini’s national socialism was not in line with Stalin’s desire to make communism (aka socialism) “international”. Indeed, it was Stalin who started to call fascism “right-wing” – and his “willing fools” in most western countries followed suit.
So, if the deeds of the Australian government are “fascist”, then is this evidence that Australia is moving towards a big-government left-wing national socialist state? I don’t know – but the same thing is happening in the UK. People are afraid to clear the snow from outside their houses (on the public footpath) in case they get sued. It’s taken a government minister to say that this is nonsense – but the law under which people could be sued still stands. And some 11 million people (yes, 11 MILLION) will have to register on the Criminal Records Bureau database if the want to be near children who are not their own (for example, a pensioner who goes into school to read to children for an hour a week). Then there’s the Greatest Stealth Tax Of Them All – global warming legislation which is nothing else than taxation by another name that will do little if anything to reduce world temperatures. And reams of legislation that is so poorly worded that local councils spy on people’s rubbish bins under anti-terrorist legislation. And you know what a favourite saying by government spokespeople is these days? It’s: “If you’ve done nothing wrong, you’ve nothing to fear.” Exactly what Hitler’s Gestapo used to say.
If you want the truth, don’t ever listen to what they say, just look at what they actually do. Then vote ’em out – before it’s too late and they decide that elections are anti-democratic.
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What makes this tragedy even more outrageous is that the man made climate change (MMCC)claim is a green tax money making scam based on a total fallacy. Why can’t the Politicians wake up and understand that the climate will always change, it always has and always will. What a very courageous man Peter is, keep up the good fight.
Ray Cole UK
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Whatever the nub of Peter’s dispute, Mr Rudd ignores it at his personal and governmental peril.
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The absolute highest priority of a nation MUST be to protect its own citizens.
If a nation cannot protect its citizens, its reduced to a third world country.
The most important thing in order to protect its citizens is to have law and regulations
to protect private property.
Otherwise you cannot have binding contracts. If you cannot have contracts and thrust,
you cannot buy and sell. If you cannot buy and sell, you will soon enogh get into even
deeper problems.
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Guys, this beautiful country that I love is slowly going down, so slowly that it has been happening since the time of the rum corps and nobody has noticed or cared because it didn’t affect them. If they did something as honest citizens, they were cut down and silenced. What we are writing is being scrutinized by the same people that legally make it hard for the five buses to reach their destination. If we get loud enough, we will be hunted by the government and cut down in the name of general peace of the country and continuation of corruption.
What a sad way to see our Australia diminish into the pockets of politicians and solicitors! I wonder, when our forefathers went to war so that we could be free, would they have kept fighting had they known how the government that they were fighting for would let their children down to fill its pockets? When we fought the Vietnamese in order to stop the advance of communism, did we know that our own future would be governed by communists under the guise of democracy? When our troops risked their lives in Iraq because our governments decided that dictatorship was a bad thing, and it was especially bad there, did the troops know that the RTA in NSW can dictate whether or not a bus can make it to a demonstration, which every citizen has the right to attend, or whether the dictatorship decided to cancel your license as they did to me recently in my absence and without trial of any sort? Are they not dictators themselves now?
The problem is that there are no groups in the style of perhaps whistleblowers that cover this and what happened to Peter Spencer. Had someone tried to start one, it would get infiltrated immediately by members of the RTA, Police or both and brought down from within. Indeed, it is a sad state of affairs, when will they stop raping Australia? When will they be held accountable for their deeds?
Talk about deeds – why was Hoxton Park airport sold to the Macquarie bank just before ex premier Bob Carr left politics and joined the Big Mac?
We are fighting people who have access to more money than we are likely to see in a lifetime.
Corruption exists and those in the know will keep sucking on ordinary folk like you and me because they can. They track us through our mobile phones, toll passes, those unexplained cameras on bridges or by the sides of roads and even by voice recognition software while we make ordinary phone calls. They use technology to get you if they want to and you and I are paying for it.
To say enough is enough and stop, is only to get them to say that we are lawbreakers against the system. After all, didn’t THEY make the law? Didn’t they gear it just for themselves to take your freedom and money for themselves? Who are you to argue? It would be really good to bring Australia back to being from a country that you struggle in, to the lucky country that I once knew that it was.
WHAT CAN WE DO TO STEM THIS CORRUPTION???
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