Gary Johns (former Labor Minister in the Keating Government) writes in The Australian that children are being dished up green speakers at school, asked to write letters about “their thoughts” to politicians, and taking letters home to parents seeking their permission to join the campaign which is run by a volunteer for The Greens. The children were offered sample activist letters to copy.
Greens infiltrate the classroom
I received a letter this week that had been sent to the parent of a 10-year-old schoolboy and signed by the deputy principal of Cottesloe Primary School, Perth. The letter requested her permission to send a letter, allegedly written by her son, to Julie Bishop regarding the UN climate talks.
The activist site is Curtin’s CASE: Climate Action for a Safe Environment. Curtin refers to the electorate (not the university). The site has sample letters to ask Julie Bishop to get climate action and change the weather. The speaker at schools was Dr Chilla Bullbeck, who was “chair of women’s studies at the University of Adelaide until 2008 but is now a full-time “volunteer” for the Greens in Western Australia.” She claims “Curtin’s CASE is not a political organisation, but admits “our project does appeal to Greens members and supporters”.
The letter to parents directs them to the campaign website where a standard letter is ready and waiting.
“Dear Julie Bishop,
My name is … and I am an average … student … please help this goal of mine (to stop global warming) become yours too because we can make a difference for Australia” (emphasis added).
Craft a persuasive letter using their thoughts, describing their goal? This is a deception. This is high-pressure propaganda and it is taking place in primary schools right now.
Johns has some very good questions:
A representative of a political party was allowed into the classroom to push the party’s agenda on young children and to use them to write letters to achieve the party’s goals. Were other voices heard?
Were children aware that if the world decides to cut the output of carbon dioxide emissions by denying cheap energy-dense sources they are condemning millions to an early death through poverty?
This exercise in high-pressure manipulation of 10-year-olds took place a few suburbs from the University of Western Australia where a posse of ignorant academics and students ran Bjorn Lomborg out of town.
I will send a message to Johns about his use of “climate-change deniers” — the mythical creatures no one has ever met who deny ice ages and what not. Johns inadvertently feeds the monster by pretending that this phrase has any meaning at all. Lomborg is not a climate change denier, but no one else is either. Can we start writing in accurate English instead of activist strawmen?
They asserted he was a climate-change denier. He is not. Lomborg knows the cost of trading the possible loss of life in 100 years from climate change against the certain loss of life now through lack of access to cheap dense forms of energy.
Better terms are climate-crisis-believers, versus climate-crisis-skeptics.
The birth of the Oz branch of the Grünjugend …
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Vogelwandere indeed! German hippy types from the 1920s.Back to nature and all that.Its disgusting that children can be indoctrinated at our schools,but unfortunately today’s pedagogue is full on clueless.
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‘Getting them young’ is now pretty much the dominant modus operandi of eco-zealots. They already know they’ve all but lost anyone over 40 (people who can see through their shell games), so they just adopt the playbook of 20th century propagandists who also understood that indoctrination from the earliest school years is absolutely essential to the embedding of any ideology. This is how you change society.
Schools, universities and public services across the Western world have all been overtaken by progressive, left-leaning ideology. Naturally enough this includes the tacit (and often blatant) promotion of CAGW as a scientific ‘fact’, against which there can be no dissent, no debate – even if the ‘science’ itself is telling a different story. Filling young children’s heads with this toxic sludge is very much a part of the Agenda (21) – I’d suggest it’s essential, since the Agenda (21) ties back into all the EU/UN narratives around ‘sustainability’, ‘borderless nations’ and, of course, the redistribution of wealth from richer nations to poorer nations. ‘CAGW’ plays a pivotal role in enabling policy to promote the political agenda of both the EU and UN’s progressives. It’s a Trojan Horse.
Targeting children is a deliberate, morally repugnant, tactic of green eco-zealots who are very much on a mission and will stop at nothing to protect and embed their political agenda. Agenda 21 is now 25 years old and still going strong. It is now a generation old and that first generation of ‘true believers’ are now coming into the workforce and bringing with them the mindset they were gifted during their school and university years. This is how it was supposed to work. The virulent spread of the leftist green agenda (co-opted to serve narratives on immigration, sustainability, wealth redistribution, etc) all now begin to mature into an unstoppable political force.
Orwell sent us a warning, but even he could never have expected that the left would take his words and turn them into an instruction manual.
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I actually have copies of the curriculum UNESCO created back in 2002 to be pushed globally in K-12 created in fulfillment of their obligations as Task Manager under Agenda 21. So much for it being just a theory of conspiring. I also documented the Belmont Challenge and Earth System Alliance that this is a part of. http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/the-belmont-challenge-and-the-death-of-the-individual-via-education/
In my book Credentialed to Destroy: How and Why Education Became a Weapon I chronicle the UN entities and the OECD’s confessions of how their use of K-12 education plays into their broader goals. The Secreatry-General of the oECD was especially forthcoming. The thorough use of constructivism globally in K-12 and how it is actually about something other than how to teach subjects is also detailed.
I have also covered on my blog how Queensland has been used by the UN to pilot the transdisciplinary vision for K-12 in something that went by the name the New Basics Project.
There is a theory in K-12 that comes straight out of Marxism that is widely apparent in all the CAGW hype. It doesn’t matter if a theory is factually true. What matters is the effect implementing it as if it were true will have on people and the environment. Never forget the view that There’s Nothing as Practical as a Good Theory if fundamental transformation of people and institutions with governments in charge is the real agenda.
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“…It doesn’t matter if a theory is factually true. What matters is the effect implementing it as if it were true will have on people and the environment.”
It’s chilling. Worse, it’s true.
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Disgusting but hardly a new tactic. Greenpeace perfected it with their silly anti sealing campaign.
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I am sure this dovetails nicely into the young blue shirts brigade at AYCC: http://www.aycc.org.au/
Oh wait, what’s that? Who’s the first listed sponsor?
http://www.aycc.org.au/sponsors
Funny how that works eh?
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I am disgusted as well. This is green political propaganda piped direct into impressionable minds. I find it hard to understand the mind of the zealot. What has to break in their tiny little minds so that they think this kind of action is acceptable… on any level? I have no doubt at all, that if Monckton were asked to speak at a primary school there would be wall-to-wall outrage in the MSM, let alone the ABC.
I can only hope that the school is receiving a large number of chastising letters and visits from angry parents.
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See https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/05/climate-cult-kiddies-part-ii/
For details about aycc
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Or people who can remember weather events that were equally unprecedented as any we experience today.
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Phil Ford:
What makes you think “they are coming into the work force” ? Mostly going onto the government payroll.
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Graeme No.3, Phil Ford,
I think you’re both basically right.
With the increasing amount of government agencies, the work force is becoming more dominated by government employ. Big government means more people are employed by government. Sounds silly when you read the words but chilling when you contemplate the end result.
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Being employed by the government is a two edge sword, it’s not all sharp on one side.
Let’s use myself as an example, hypothetical as it is. I land a job working for a department doing whatever. It’s a wage. I write, create, post, whatever my boss tells me to do. It doesn’t’ matter if I think this stuff is stupid or wasteful; they say this is my work and I get paid for it. Ok, so I don’t believe it. Neither does my boss, but his job is to make sure I do my job.
Honestly I don’t know how some of these jobs GET created in the first place. But that’s high politics. It’s pushing an agenda at the party level and somehow it manages its way down through the organisations. Sometimes popping out in unexpected and stupid (illogical) ways.
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“Orwell sent us a warning, but even he could never have expected that the left would take his words and turn them into an instruction manual.”
Sadly, Orwell knew exactly what the left was doing. Yes, before anyone objects, I am well aware that Orwell was a man of the left, too, at least until his experiences in Spain. While there, however, and while at the beebyanka during WWII, he developed his acute understanding of where leftist ideology ends up. Although his Spanish nightmare informed him of man’s capacity for inhumanity (both sides committed horrible atrocities), it was the beeb that gave him the idea for the “Ministry of Truth”. The Ministry of Truth wasn’t Orwell’s envisioning of some future horror. It was one he had already seen: the BBC.
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Like all authoritarians, those who are using environmentalism as a Trojan horse for a wider ideological agenda have targeted the young. Just take a look at the efforts of their ideological bedfellows in the 1930s.
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Sometimes in recent years I wonder, no doubt like you Barry and no doubt like many of the older generation do, whether the Great Wheel of the History has almost completed its next great turn.
Are we entering or have we already entered another traumatic period similar to that which repeats so often in human history.
A period where we have a repetition of the crass, vulgar, economic, political and social excesses and displays of the Roaring Twenties through to the inhuman Dictatorship driven 30’s and then into the filth, slime and utter inhumanity of vicious racial and ideology based global war of the late 1930’s and early 1940’s that are now fixed in our race’s history.
A racial and ideologically based Global War where somewhere between 70 and 100 millions died, mostly women and children and the old and that out of a global population of the then just three billions.
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The Hitler Youth, that you refer to, in pictures, started out as a Green Movement. Members of the Hitler Youth wore green shirts, and were sometimes referred to as Greenshirts.
One of their pamphlets reads:
“In every german breast the German forest quivers with its caverns and ravines, crags and boulders, waters and winds, legends and fairy tales, with its songs and its melodies, and awakens a powerful yearning and a longing for home; in all German souls the German forest lives and weaves with its depth and breadth, its stillness and strength, its might and dignity, its riches and its beauty — it is the source of German inwardness, of the German soul, of German freedom. Therefore protect and care for the German forest for the sake of the elders and the youth, and join the new German “League for the Protection and Consecration of the German Forest”. [Reproduced in Joachim Wolschke-Bulmahn, Auf der Suche nach Arkadien, Munchen, 1990 p 147.]
The brightest and fittest of the Hitler Youth went on to form the nucleus of the Waffen Schutzstaffel (the SS), or in English, Protective Squadron. – Hitler’s private bodyguards.
But they didn’t just protect Hitler, in a personal sense, rather they protected the Furer (or leader), but more importantly, they were sworn and dedicated to protecting the Fatherland – Germany.
Substitute the concept of Gaia, as the Earth Mother, for the concept of Fatherland, as being just Germany, and you have the modern Green Shirts.
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It’s probably more powerful today as Gaia is given “living” status, as in being a living thinking entity. A forest is one thing, but a living earth as an entity is harder to get out of your mind.
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I saw/heard Tim Flannery on TV years ago say that by 2050 Gaia would be a living entity. I knew then he was certifiable.
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The most obvious question here is: how is it that Liberal state and federal governments have allowed the Left to use the education system to poison children’s minds, to ruin their futures and to intentionally turn out an army of uneducated, unemployable, uncouth, anti-social, violent, socially destructive malcontents.
Socialist Australia – what a dump!
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It was the balance of power in the upper house. Very few Coalition governments over the last 30 years have had control of the upper houses of their parliaments.
And this was a boat they didn’t dare rock. Watch to see if it becomes an issue with the ABC at last being called to account. Same problem there.
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Ted, there is absolutely no reason the state governments could not intervene to stop leftists from brainwashing children with global warming propaganda and revisionist history.
As to the federal government, the Liberals had control of the Senate during the 11 wasted years of the Howard era and they utterly squandered the opportunity to introduce real democratic reform in this country. Instead, what did we get: a continuation of the Left’s policies on immigration, welfare, youth, education and justice; a great big new tax; gun control; ratified the Rome statute, potentially exposing Australian soliders to prosecution in foreign courts; no rollback of anti-free-speech laws; record taxes and spending; record immigration, just to keep the real estate boom ticking over and win a few more votes from cashed up property owners, without any regard for the long-term social problems it caused; and, of course, the Liberal brand being tarnished by Work Choices.
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Some of that I can’t argue with. They did more damage to rural Australia than Hawke did, by maintaining Hawke’s policies.
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As I have said numerous times, there is no difference between “left” and “right” in this country – all are run by the one globalist pay masters. This is why people like “Liberal” John W. Howard brought in the Socialist dream of gun control.
What the?
http://parlinfo.aph.gov.au/parlInfo/search/display/display.w3p;db=CHAMBER;id=chamber%2Fhansards%2F1996-05-20%2F0061;orderBy=customrank;page=0;query=Barry%20unsworth%20There%20uniform%20gun%20laws%20in%20Australia%20massacre%20in%20Tasmania;rec=0;resCount=Default
“Some nine years ago the then Premier of New South Wales, Barry Unsworth, whilst leaving a meeting of ministers discussing gun issues, stated that it would take a manslaughter in Tasmania before we got nationally uniform and effective gun laws.”
I reckon we should take stock tips ( or climate predictions ) from Barry – he clearly knows a lot about stuff in advance…..coincidence? Nope.
We need to push back hard – speaking the truth respectfully and consistently and peacefully will break throught he lies….a lie cannot stand under the unrelenting heat of truth.
The other thing is its time for kids to be told they are being lied to by their teachers. This is never pleasant, but if teachers allow nonsense to occur int he classroom, then they will get caught in the middle, but kids learn eventually teachers dont know everything.
Go and speak to Headmasters and take them to task – unless we speak up and push back, we will see the 1930s history repaing itself with classrooms as pure indoctrination centres. I think anyone who pushes nonsense is fair game….constantly hold them to account.
Its our kids we’re talking about…..
QED.
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Steve. You write of Liberal John Howard and Socialist dream of gun control.
How about the National Farmers’ Federation. In the pockets of the Liberals.
30 years ago the NFF, representing an industry which operates on private capital, embarked on a policy they later named Unilateral Trade Reform, promising us that if we took the moral high ground in economics the rest of the world would follow our example. They had learned this at their university studies.
It took no more than two years to show that the rest of the world had no interest in “moral high ground”, yet the NFF (together with the Liberals) has maintained that policy in the face of failure to the present day.
In doing so they have halved the number of small business capitalists engaged in farming in Australia, with many more being forced out right now.
Socialist/Marxist policy, half way there and gaining speed.
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Then about the kids.
From memory it would be about 30 years ago I recall a woman ringing John Laws from the NSW North Coast region, complaining that her junior primary school kid had expressed anger when seeing a logging truck going down the road, anger based on what the kid had been taught at school.
It would be over 20 years ago a neighbour told of a visiting pre schooler who cried when he started a chainsaw to cut a fence post, because cutting down a tree would cause kids to die on the other side of the world.
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OriginalSteve,
Agree wholeheartedly and add, the sooner the better. For all of us.
Abe
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Gun control was just pure opportunism by a government whose only concern was staying in office.
When Port Arthur happened the Liberals figured they would jump in and beat Labor to the punch on gun control, for no other reason than to take the initiative away from Labor.
It was cowardly and unprincipled, which pretty much says everything that needs to be said about the Liberals these days.
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We had the same thing happen in Canada after the Montreal “massacre”, where a disturbed man shot and killed a number of female students. The (Liberal) government brought in draconian “gun control” measures that were unaffordable and ineffective requiring later government to remove and correct them. Now the liberal party (NDP lite) is still screaming about it with an election in the offing…. one they will lose-again.
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There are no coincidences in politics…..
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You also have to look at the shot/kill ratio in Port Arthur. Either Martin Bryant was a sniper savant, or other factors were at play. Logically, its all it can be.
Gun control was always the ultimate aim. If a globalist controlled “right” wing govt or globalist controlled “left” wing govt made the law changes, ultimately the agenda is still the same, is it not?
Have a look at the twisted barrel statue out the front of the UN – its the ultimate aim of global disarmament. There are some bleeding heart words to go with it, but the UN usually hides its true intentions behind fancy and flowery language….
You cant globally disarm people all in one go and get away with it – but of you do it country by country with conveniently placed massacres to create sufficient outrage…
People can think what they want, its just too conveniently done for my liking.
You also have to look at the shot/kill ratio in Port Arthur. Either Martin Bryant was a natural sniper savant, or other factors were at play. Logically, its all it can be.
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If anyone in the West thinks this is an isolated incident, they aren’t keeping up. Western education is working to change how and what our children think. It’s part of converting the electorates of the major countries to accept global “citizenship”. Climate change propaganda is just one of the avenues. More here: http://www.invisibleserfscollar.com/
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Spetzer86: I detect some cognitive dissidence between your post and that of Barry (1.4) above. How can his perceived outcomes become yours. However you are both right. Robin @ 1.2.1 has long researched the INTENT of the process but you are describing the actual outcome. Anyone who has raised or taught children knows that at some stage they will seek to reject what they are being instructed to believe and seek the thrill of choice. God help you if you cannot then persuade them of the absolute veracity of your imperative. The very impressionable may succumb or may seek other mentors and measure themselves for suicide jackets, but the majority will eventually seek to expand their control over their life choices anyway they can. They develop their personal BS detectors through brutal experience of lies and deceit by their elders and betters.
“come mothers & fathers throughout the land
and don’t criticise what you can’t understand
your sons and your daughters are beyond your command
your old life is rapidly ageing
please get out of the new one if you can’t lend a hand
for the times they are a’changing”
Except – they ain’t really.
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If you like a bit of war porn, watch the video –
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9lfDGBILMc
But if you want to know what produced it, read –
https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/09/14/know-your-ultimate-enemy-the-dream/
Nothing much changes, Lord help us.
Pointman
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And then one day, the void replied … “Great read, thanks for that mate”.
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Apparently we are asking too many questions now. Fits nicely.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-07/scientists-warn-climate-sceptic-mps-not-to-waste-time-on-inquiry/6599754
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I wonder why these “Scientists” don’t want the Pollies to have an inquiry into the climate?Maybe the “Scientists”are afraid of the “Outcome”
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The panic is URGENT, we must panic more and faster, no time to stop and think, PANIC!!!!!
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Like fifth-grader Scott Herbert, I too, am ‘still deciding’ …
“But some people think that the world’s gonna end by … the world’s gonna heat up, and we’re all gonna be baked alive. But other people think a monster with seven heads is gonna come out and rip us apart.
I’m still deciding …” (1.25min.youtube)
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This miasma of “progressivism” has steadily developed from the late ’60’s. I guess that the pendulum will swing the other way eventually but, gee, wouldn’t it be nice to see clear rational thought without the Left-Green filter, particularly on scientific issues which require analysis of data. I’m reminded of a visit I had to the Soviet Union in 1968, as a left-wing student, where there was constant propaganda blaring out of train loudspeakers trying to socially engineer Soviet citizenry. When our group of Australian university students was returning vis Japan I confess that I felt enormous relief on hearing Al Martino on American armed forces radio. Not that I mind listening to the Red Army Choir still.
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Interesting you chose to hipster quote “progressivism” John. I heartily agree.
The notion that left/green thinking is in any way “progressive” is demonstrably false.
The modern green movement is a simple yet confused mix of basic Marxism/Stalinism running on a substrate of Malthusian rationale. Combine this with the fact that they actually believe their totalitarian dreams are “for the greater good” and you have a dangerous delusionary state from which to try and prosecute a political agenda. Nothing they think is new, their entire belief system is between 100 and 300 years old and has been adequately demonstrated as a failed system through subsequent history. While personally I fail to see what is progressive about replacing a gas turbine power station with something from before the dark ages.
http://telosnet.com/wind/early.html
As for the so called “left” of today. Modern Australian Labour could not have strayed further from their path if they had quit and joined the Libs. For the so called party of the worker to align and cooperate with the party that stands only for the destruction of the economy and industry, is an anathema future labour leaders and thinkers will eventually have to answer for. The ideological gulf between labour and the greens is far larger than between labour and liberal, when labour realises it, you would expect it will be a “schism” type reaction. It may already be happening as evidenced by the “re-powering” of unions within the party, after all, it is their party.
http://theconversation.com/identity-crisis-who-does-the-australian-labor-party-represent-25374
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The thing is Safetyguy my friend, the Australian Labor Party is infested with careerists that follow the University Law School to union staffer/political staffer to politician path without any exposure to real life. They wouldn’t know what real work was like even if it barked them on the shins.
Still, I feel more comfortable with that lot than the Greens. Ever see that Rachel Siewert on news items. If ever there was a closet totalitarian look no further. It just goes to show that “the price of freedom is eternal vigilance”.
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I don’t know John, I think the Greens candidates are getting more representative of their party all the time.
http://www.themercury.com.au/news/politics/transgender-advocate-martine-delaney-to-run-on-greens-ticket/story-fnpp9w4j-1227429770994
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Oddly enough, progressivism is the most detrimental factor inhibiting progress. The reason is because to those who believe in this ideology, its not about progress providing growth and opportunity and to boost the bottom up, but about penalties and policy to suppress growth and opportunity to bring the top down.
The negative influence on children is not unique to AU, but widely prevalent in the US, especially in California. The bottom line is that critical thinking is not taught because it too often leads to politically incorrect truths.
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Safetyguy,
The roots go back a lot further than a couple hundred years. Think ancient Greece.
Ancient Spartan Communism
Sure sounds like the enslavement of an entire country but this is what the Greens/Progressives seem to want. I doubt if they will like it if they ever got their wish.
Dr. R.J. Rummel documents the results of the attempts in the 20th Century.
DEMOCIDE: DEATH BY GOVERNMENT — 262,000,000 murdered.
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As more adults, albeit all too slowly, are realising that something is very amiss with all of this panic about climate catastrophes, what better way than to attempt to indoctrinate children. It’s been done in the past, it’s worth trying again. Whatever it takes (to rehash a somewhat old phrase).
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Standard Left-leaning operating procedure. (We all know modern Green ideology is really extreme Leftism.)
When it comes to the young, the Left want them…
(1) Aborted, if they exist in the womb.
(2) Indoctrinated, if they attend public education.
(3) Non-thinking activists, if they graduate from university/college.
The process is simplified down to a phrase: Get them while they’re young. Get them BEFORE the parents notice. Turn them into activists (foot-soldiers for the Left).
The kids are never told HOW to think. They are just told WHAT to think.
To Leftists, Education isn’t a platform for passing knowledge and lessons of the past. (To equip students and prepare them for the real world)…It is an avenue for indoctrination.
Essentially, more eco-nonsense at the cost of fundamentals like reading, writing, and arithmetic.
(There’s only so many hours in a week where the teacher can teach. If its filled with this Leftist narrative, something else will be sacrificed.)
…Seriously folks, they are going after 10 year olds! No wonder why there is a move by some parents to Home School!
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Amendment…
Related Radio interview of the article in question.
2GB radio: Greens Infiltrate The Classroom (11:31 mins)
=> http://www.2gb.com/article/greens-infiltrate-classroom
The interesting part in the interview is that the author of The Australian article has a friend who makes good money in coaching kids to write and say things the teachers want to read and hear! (Coached to chant the Left’s political narratives in order to get marks! To fake being indoctrinated! LOL!)
The key point is that the author want the kids to see the whole picture from both sides of the debate. The Leftie Green groups only want to push one side through tactics like infiltrating schools and using children as political instruments. Its only when the parents from various schools complained to the author, did this story pick up.
Its pretty disgusting when you think about it:
An interest group has no qualms in using children to push their agenda. Wasting a kid’s time. Then we wonder why marks for English, Mathematics, and Science aren’t as great as our Asian neighbours…Education/Teacher’s union will chant its about money. Politics introduces policy (like Gonski and NAPLAN) to make the parents feel better…And the whole time, the kids don’t get the education they supposed to get! (People need to realise parents don’t get to control what their own kids are being taught in public schools!)
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I think the Greens have found their demographic of choice- 10 and under.
They’re lucky question time is scheduled in C- time, and is rated PG. And thank goodness it falls before Big Dog sends them all off to ni-nights.
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There are groups now working on facial recognition software that will monitor students during lectures or tests: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/516606/facial-analysis-software-spots-struggling-students/
Some of these programs are also capable of knowing when the student is lying or obfuscating when answering questions. Wonder why that’d be important.
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I always think Jesus had the right approach – he would always questions to get people to engage….
“Hey your teacher said the earth is dying, how did they prove that?”
In my experience, challenging people gently through questions forces them to think and dissolves a lot of the programming and allows them to come to their own conclusions. When they own the reality what was said and what is, dont match, they realise quickly that its wrong. Then they own their descision, all youve done is facilitate their questioning……
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Both Phil Ford above at 1.2 and yourself have apparently been awarded the double red thumbs of commendation by the two Sisters of the Order of Australian Youth for touching upon their most sacred dyad of Climate and Youth. (Monckton had some feisty run-ins with these folk at Copenhagen). These two cadre regularly audit these pages – considering it a service for their masters in the multi-billion dollar renewables sector – and you guys hit a nerve. Well done.
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I wear my thumbs down as a badge of honour.
For me, its an award of defiance against self-appointed, self-righteous, moral-activists; who believe only one side of the debate be told. (Their side).
…Like in a modern day computer game!
=> Trophy Achieved!
=> Annoyed an Activist Trophy awarded!
=> You have managed to annoy the two Sisters of the Order of Australian Youth!
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Let’s see now, first tell children that their world is going to get too hot because of CO2 and they will all die of starvation, thirst or fires.
That sort of propaganda would be enough to scare a child severely and cause Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, I’d say that would be classed as ‘Emotional Abuse of a Child’.
I’d say that was a criminal offense in most parts of the world and should certainly be frowned upon by the United Nations.
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Beat me too it James. Thumbs up.
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Great minds… 🙂
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James you have hit the nail on the head. Here we have the Greens indoctrinating our school students on the one hand with their “Green Agenda” and “BOM (Bureau of Manipulation)” likewise on the other hand creating “non-existent GW data” by data manipulation, ie by blatantly “cooling vintage temperature data”. These deceptive tactics do scare both children and adults alike, and are likely to lead to “Post Traumatic Stress Disorder” as you say. An open and shut case of ‘Emotional Abuse of both children & adults’.
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I think a couple of civil suits against the cause of the PTSD would reign it in quickly.
I think what youre seeing is the Communist view of the inherent disposability of people to “the cause”….
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Well done James,
(& well done Gary and Jo).
Let’s not mince words, after-all our catastrophist friends don’t!
These intellectual light-weights only know one rule (& they stole it from Hitler) …
“The end justifies the means”!!
The time is rapidly coming when all the world’s greens, and their political ‘hangers-on’ i.e. Labor, Palmer, et. al. will be seen for what they are!!??!!
Let’s not forget that over 70% of Labor’s members in the federal house (reps.) are only there courtesy of Greens’ preferences.
These ‘good-for-nothing’ ‘me-to-ers’ will go the way of the Democrats and the D. L. P. (political ancient history).
The time is rapidly approaching when Howard’s battlers may well become Abbott’s “crap dis-mantlers”!!
Let’s face it!…
The Greens have out-lived their usefulness (& hypocriticalness), more than we will ever know!!
As I asked of Prof’s. Flannery and Steffen in Ipswich in 2011 …
Name for me just three of the over 10 000 delegates at the 2010 Cancun IPCC. ‘snouts-in-the-trough-fest’ who either rode bicycles to the sessions, or over-nighted in a tent? (Of course they could not answer.) (Of course I’m still waiting for an answer.)
To be honest, I don’t know how any ‘card-carrying’ member of the greens (or the A.L.P.) can sleep at night with the ever-increasing amount of rubbish the continually have to say they agree with.
Keep up the good work.
Warm regards, reformed warmist of logan.
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I was there!
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Bill,
Straight from the pen of one of the EU bigwigs and two time Director-General of the World Trade Organization, French Socialist Pascal Lamy. The decision was made before we were born to do away with our independent and sovereign nations and create a world run by a totalitarian bureaucracy that gives only lip service to the ‘Great Unwashed’ (SEE: Global Governance: Lessons from Europe, What can the world learn about global governance from the diplomatic model of the European Union? )
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I wonder how many of the politicians in Europe bothered to tell their citizens they sold out their countries and made them vassal states of the EU? Tallbloke had a blog post on the issue on 2014/06/17 Vernon Coleman – Was Britain taken into the EU illegally?
Lamy point blank states that the EU nations states are no longer sovereign in this speech at the Oxford Martin School, Oxford University on 8 March 2012,: “Global governance requires localising global issues”
Perhaps Greece wants to shove those words back at Lamy. From E.M. Smith (Chiefio) Greece Vote Leaning To Exit
Lamy BTW is being looked at as the next the President of the European Commission. Jacques Delors, a former President is pushing to have Lamy succeed José Manuel.
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The problem is the UN is a part of this. They aren’t going to frown upon the very things they actively promote through their own actions and behaviours!
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Exactly! It’s UN-supported propaganda and abuse to prop up the UN-supported dishonesty about climate change.
But what else can you expect when there’s so many UN member countries that want to pull developed countries down?
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Yes but heres the kicker….
Lets play our own ( Sceptic ) Q& A :
Who are memebers of the UN?
The member states.
Therefore, who gives the UN power to do what it does?
The member states.
Ergo, who is the root cause of the CAGW problem?
…..?
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except….
the UN has evolved into an unaccountable bureacracy with no masters to keep it under control… and the EU has followed suit.
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It’s like a company that keeps changing heads. It veers and wanders wherever the current head is facing. The charter gives the company direction and drive, IF it is even looked at. If, like the US potus the charter is ignored, it becomes a self-governing entity with no master.
Except that the people who want to be the leader of the UN/EU also want to be leader of the world. Then you have a very real risk having exactly that happen.
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I agree to a point, however what would happen if all govts stopped funding it?
It would whiter and die.
Ergo, countries that keep it alive with money also are directly running it and are responsible for its actions.
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Consider that the governments (or the people who head those governments) funding it are in support of a one world government. They also want it, though they know they won’t be in charge. It’s Lefties giving power to Lefties. A communistic support group praising their leaders and giving them more power. It almost can not fail.
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When you have people making statements like “no new houses, cars, industries, etc… by 2018 to save the planet” is it any wonder kids are scared?
http://theleap.thischangeseverything.org/a-hard-deadline-we-must-stop-building-new-carbon-infrastructure-by-2018/ (via sceptical science)
I have made this statement a number of times and I don’t mind repeating it. If anything is posing a threat to young people, it is climate and religious alarmism.
Imagine being 10-15 years old and having been indoctrinated in the prospect of the end of the world in your lifetime as described by “scientists”. Is it any wonder youth suicide is off the chart? Then throw in the usual selection of superstition based, though popular, belief systems and if I was 16 Id be thinking of topping myself too. The chances of “end of days” happening in your lifetime appear to be around 100% according to basically every form of authority currently spruiking their particular brand of planet destroying nonsense.
The definition of terrorism needs to be revisited.
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This is four years old and gives a glimpse of Nihilism, we may need to prepare a debriefing exercise.
http://www.news.com.au/national/australian-kids-are-living-in-climate-of-fear/story-e6frfkvr-1226091097398
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No surprise that proof exists confirming I have never had an original thought 😉
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Well done, el gordo.
The ‘money shot’ of links.
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More like Cult deprogramming…..
I say hit them with a big fat Class Action suit….for damages and emotional distress….imagine that hitting them right between the eyes…..it would have the Big Green drained of cash and expunged as source of PTSD for decades.
Then you would move on to the funding contributors..I wonder how many would go the Nuremberg Defence?
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SG66
Stephen Leahy wrote the article you linked to, his CV below.
“Stephen Leahy is an international environmental journalist who has written for National Geographic, The Guardian (UK), London Sunday Times, New Scientist, Vice, The Toronto Star, Al Jazeera, and others. He is the senior science and environment correspondent for the Inter Press Service News Agency (IPS) and winner of the United Nations Global Prize for Climate Change and Environment Reporting. Stephen is author of the new book Your Water Footprint: The Shocking Facts About How Much Water We Use To Make Everyday”
Mmmm – not surprising – all the usual credentials, Guardian/National Geographic/New Scientist/Al Jazeera – sounds like he’s ultimately qualified to write about science.
See his web page here – NOT ONE academic qualification – all he is is an experienced “nose in the trough” greenie living off the public purse for DECADES!!
Note also on his web page what he is doing in his main picture – BRAINWASHING OTHER PEOPLES CHILDREN. He should be in jail for child abuse!!
Rank amateur “snout in trough” activist.
Also note a lot of his books are about earth’s precious water. Anyone could think that all our water is being lost out to space the way he writes. Fact is, EVERY DROP of water on earth has been here since creation, used, reused, peed out by woolly mammoths et al and then back to us as rain and new drinking water.
Yes, water is precious, BUT all we need to do is build more/bigger dams – problem solved!
Hope he comes to my granddaughter’s school – I’d LOVE to meet him 🙂
Cheers,
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Build more dams and put a generation in every single one!
Here is the lunacy in the USA:
The USA has two big long mountain chains bordering the coasts where mot of the population resides. A series of dams could provide much of the energy needs from hydro. It doesn’t have to be a big drop either or even a ‘complete dam’just divert suficient water over a drop.
Yes those are micro systems, meant for home use but the idea still applies. Heck I could plug a couple into the beaver dams on my farm and generate quite a bit of electric if it wouldn’t also flood out the idiots next door who went and built on a river flood plain. (They trespass on my land to keep knocking out the beaver dams that periodically flood their property.) No doubt the EPA, GreenPolice et al would be at my door too if I tried.
“Land of the Free” ya, RIGHHHhht.
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20:20 hindsight.
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Not 10:10 and exploding kids?
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Indoctrinated at 10. Death camp guard at 18.
It’s been done before.
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Wonder what you get if you start in Kindergarten? ISIS is making kids executioners long before 18.
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They start them right at 6 months here in the USA.
That was what all the screaming about child abuse at daycares was actually all about. An excuse to allow the Federal Government to control the kiddies indoctrination from birth onwards.
The “Little Rascals” ritual abuse case in Edenton, NC
Scotland is going it one step further.
Every Child in Scotland to Be Supervised by State-Appointed Busybody
Once it has it’s trial run in Scotland and is fine tuned expect the same state intrusion coming to your country.
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What happens if the “named” person is a pedophile?
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Hey, arn’t Religeon and the State supposed to be separate at School?
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Religion and State are not even separate in the Parliament. Why should they be separated at school?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRMLUCb_gpI
Combine that with the endorsement of climate alarmism by the highest religious authority….
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/pope-blasts-global-warming-deniers-20150616-ghp52z.html
and you have the perfect storm of dumb. Its Idiocracy in the making.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clYwX8Z43zg
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Not quite safetyguy66. I suppose the Pope et al are religious authorities. However, my authority on matters spiritual is God and the Bible.
A God who can create a universe from nothing in 6 days just by His spoken word is not going to create a special planet – that supports life and sentient, spiritual beings who are created in His own image – which is so fragile it can be made uninhabitable by those created beings through their emission of a trace gas. Especially, when He has given us a mandate to “be fruitful and multiply” and “have dominion over”. Of course, fallen human nature has corrupted our exercise of the mandate, but not to the point that the planet is going to be destroyed by “anthropogenic climate change”.
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I understand that he knew the end from the beginning. So could it be a surprise to him that we failed his first test? Being fallend doesn’t make the slightest difference to the outcome. God knows what he is doing.
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In theory religion and State are supposed to be separated but in reality they are not, and can never be. Everyone has a faith based religious attitude to life, including atheists. So, there can never be a true separation. What has happened over time is selective separation, which is what made things worse by filtering out some good religions and leaving alone bad ones, such as the AGW alarmists. That’s why I believe schools should allow all types of religions to be studied and compared. It would be a valuable learning exercise.
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These same people would raise a cry if religonists did the same in the schools.
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Don’t they do that already?
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Out right proselyte? No they don’t. At least not here. But the green preachers go beyond proselyting (which allows freedom of choice)don’t they?
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Jo
Seems time to quote from a previous thread
“ROM
July 4, 2015 at 10:19 pm · Reply
I am not particularly surprised by the reaction of the younger generation to the global warming catastrophe pimps.
I have been a member of our local gliding club since it’s formation in 1963.
Sadly the club is now fading away .
The constant lament as with many, maybe most clubs around in rural Australia is, the young ones aren’t interested and we can’t get them interested.
Which in the last few years, in fact probably my last few years on this planet, got me thinking about generational change.
My generation created, built and developed the local gliding club until it was a very active club through the 70′s, 80′s and into the early 90′s and then it started to fade.
We expected the next generation of youngsters to come right on into the club and keep it going in a similar fashion as it had been in the past.
And thats where all clubs like ours can make a serious miscalculation.
What those of us of the older generations forget is that just like us when we were much younger, the younger generations are out there right now, building their own social and societal structures which are very different indeed to those my older generation built.
They in turn as they age will wonder why they can’t get their kids and younger generations interested in joining and carrying on their social and societal structures their generation built and developed.
Each generation creates it’s own particular way of doing things and develops its own generational memes and then fails to understand why the next generation fails and refuses to continue what they had so lovingly and dedicatedly built and developed.
They fail totally to understand that the next generation is merely out there doing exactly the same as they did, building and developing their own society and social structures but as in all generational changes as it has always been, in a different way, in a different time and and in different circumstances.
So if the younger generation rolls the eyes at the mention of global warming, they had nothing to do with creating that meme .
Thats for the oldies and their antediluvian inability to get with the latest fashion or have any understanding of the really important things in life, whatever that might currently be.”
And maybe the failing of this green approach will be magnified by exposure to a contingent of people outside the line of preaching.
At the height of the Qld Conservation Council’s “football fields of clearing ” campaign I got an email from one son pointing me to a link with the subject “Hey Dad get a load of this bullshit”
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Good comment to bring through, Ian
KK
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I keep waiting for the youngsters to reject what they’re spoon fed
like my generation did
you’d think they’d notice the ice caps haven’t melted and there is still snow
I mean, when I was a kid the kept harping about how the Communists were gonna defeat us from within … blah, blah
oh wait …
oops
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When you feel your argument is losing headway, use the emotional blackmail of the welfare of children. In protests, get them to hold the banners with trite slogans. Loathsome behaviour because children are impressionable and are easily imprinted by the twisted notions of their crusading parents. It’s child abuse plain and simple.
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Yes I agree that indoctrinating 10 year olds is repugnant , but they have to be idiots if they think having 10 , 11 or 12 year old writing to politicians will change much for Paris —these kids are not voters, so will the politicians take much notice?
Also if the politicians cannot see through such a campaign then what does it say about their judgment on not only this issue but many others.
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The biggest losers!
The GREENS;
Now that this particular bit of utterly juvenile stupidly by Greens activists is known to the public at large and the fact that the Greens are so bereft of any perceivable morality and common decency when it comes to the exploiting and the grooming of children to use them as influence peddlers on the Greens behalf, many, many members of the public are going to much warier of the Greens claims and will be much warier of any dealngs with the greens let alone letting their kids anywhere near a Green run propaganda exercise.
Furthermore the whole exercise has arguably badly backfired for the Greens as any letter now coming from a juvenile that supposedly supports the Greens programs and aims will be completely discounted by the politicals of all other parties and no doubt thrown out unless it is filed to accumulate evidence against the Greens for some future political or legal action.
And it will provide endless opportunities for some quite serious undermining both surreptitiously and openly of any Green attempts at any political maneuverings to accumulate further political power.
Just a casual mention with the WA school used as an example and a primary school at that as well [ how utterly stupid and utterly inept and crass beyond belief can those of the green faith and ideology really be?! ] that the Greens were grooming primary school children in WA to be their political propaganda promoters will lead to a sense of revulsion by nearly every parent whether current, or past, or to be.
Big Losers
The school principal and vice principal.
The other very big losers and directly so are the principal and vice principal of the school, both of whom will now be stuck with the equivalent that the old timers used to stop a dog from killing chooks.
You hung one they had killed around their neck until it rotted away and that could take a long time.
Thats about where the reputation of the principal and vice principal of that school is likely to finish up at.
As educators and responsible for the education of those young kids they not only allowed the Green political activist[s] the run of the classrooms but as the vice principal was prepared to write to the parents supporting those letter writing actions the kids were being encouraged to pen, they as teachers and educators were actually promoting the political exploitation and grooming of those kids by a Green, rabidly leftist political organisation hell bent of transforming society into a communistic type society.
And that in the school and it’s small kids they as principal and vice principal were totally responsible for.
They are now likely to be hung with that very stinky political baggage probably for the rest of their proffessional lives and maybe for a long time after that.
Big losers;
The WA Education Department and arguably inclusive of all state education departments
And the next loser is the WA Education Department and all state education departments for not drawing a very large line in the sand completely outlawing [ and rigidly enforcing it ] allowing political operators of any sort to enter classrooms with the specific aim of using and grooming young children to be their political weapon carriers on behalf of their own personal ideology and their political organisation and it’s brand of ideological beliefs and dogma.
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The problem is that the damage is done tot he kids. At a higher level, yes I agree generally with what youve written, but the big question is why were the closet Marxists allowed to brainwash our kids in public schools?
Again, I ‘d suggest a legal class action could be the way forward, and not hold back from it either….
Irinically, if we pursue legal redress from emotional damage to our kids in the name of unproven science, were seens as “vindictive”, but if the Marxists turn up and mess your kids head up with the schools’ blessing, they are seen as “saving the people”.
I saw the local bloke who runs the commercial recycling operation at our local tip running a cafe in the centre of town. It was kidn of weird – it sort of reeked of some fringe medaevil times peseants scratching a living in a mud hut….very Dark Ages stuff….weird too….
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Dear average student
Way to stay average!
Julie Bishop
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CLASSIC!!!
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When you’re shooting for uniformity of outcome, you only get “average”.
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As in
“The average rural property” exists only in the mind of “an average economist”
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Ha, what a waste of green party resources. As I understand it Julie Bishop is already a believer in the great global warming monster as is Environment minister Greg Hunt, Communications minister Malcolm Turnbull and whole bunch of others who will be working very hard to sign us up to the UNs big welfare scheme designed to change the weather in 2120 by destroying our economy today.
Personally I blame the parents. While most parents ensure their kids get to school each day how many know what the kids are learning? Not many, until the child brings home some garbage like this. Even then they probably don’t think it unusual or worth complaining about.
Here’s an idea Jo, in order to help these parents out maybe someone could put together a form letter addressed to the WA minister for education calling for the sacking of the principal and other public servants involved in exposing children to political propaganda. Just fill in the blanks with name and address etc. and post it off. (Surely this is a sackable offence? What if a school gave a Neo-Nazi group similar access to 10 year old kids?)
Actually I think it would be pretty rare for any government minister to see letters sent by the public so it would probably be a pointless exercise.
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Last year my seven year old grandson brought a book home from the school library, a book aimed at seven and eight year old and containing a heap of Green propaganda to manipulate young minds.
It claims that extreme events are driven by climate change and that temperatures have been “rising steadily since the introduction of fossil fuels and engines”. It contains nonsense such as saying that greenhouse gases in the atmosphere trap heat, that Tuvalu is being inundated by rising seas, that recent heatwaves are due to global warming (but doesn’t say that there’s been no warming for at least 16 years). It’s just relentless propaganda without a shred of evidence to support it.
The book in question was “The Earth in Peril” by Lesley McFadzean, published in 2011 by Australian Geographic. Be aware that it seems to also be sold into North America.
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I have added this book,and your comments on it, to my list of books aimed at children or teachers on climate: http://climatelessons.blogspot.co.uk/p/climate-books-aimed-at-children-or.html
Any more reviews of such books would be most welcome.
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Tell the kids that people over 50 believe were ruining the world.
Convince them it’s an old people’s issue and kids won’t want to have a bar of it.
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Other Parties would think it extreme,
Unacceptable, gross and obscene,
To target the schools,
Taking children for fools,
Which is,par for the course,if you’re Green.
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Their tactic of co-opting the wet-behind-the-ears is more important than you realise, Ruairi.
The public were reluctant to vote Green,
then someone in that Party had a dream.
If the support base is naive
and there’s nothing they won’t believe,
just lower the voting age to sixteen!
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This has been going on for generations in the USA sadly. When I was a child in 3rd grade Greens came to our class rooms and gave a presentation about saving the wolves from extinction and eliminating cattle and sheep from grazing on the mountain pastures. It was in substitution for the normal science instruction. They gave us all iron on patches to wear on jackets like good little eco soldiers.
When Al Gore’s movie came out a local school teacher friend of my mothers (a retired teacher) came and informed me about how they had showed the movie and gave a presentation to all the teachers during a local training course in preparation for the up coming school year. She was amazed and alarmed at how convincing the presentation had been and how many of teachers had become very excited about the program. Totally duped. They were instructed to show Al Gore’s movie in the science classrooms to the kids. As far as I know they still do.
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I might add that earlier this year (or last) Obama called for public school teachers to step up their efforts to indoctrinate the children to the green agenda, and the “dangers of climate change.”
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When a politician says to do that, it’s political. The teachers could have withdrawn their labor en-mass and refused to come back until they receive a solemn written undertaking by the Government to its nose out of teaching the children how to learn to learn for themselves, and think for themselves, and make intelligent choices themselves. I trust the actions of human beings who learn that more than any centralist power-addict or prancing political jackass. I know which approach will produce more constructive, freer, and more welcome, as well as saner actions, and outcomes, over time.
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Well, considering one of his mentors was Chicago union organiser and communist journalist and poet Frank Marshal Davis, and that his alma mater Occidental College is so progressive, that is not surprising. As Obama is living proof, and as this thread is exposing, leftist education of youth is the key to successful indoctrination.
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You are right on the money. They still do indoctrinate the students in the danger of climate change. And the children aren’t the only ones being indoctrinated. Consider the weight the opinions and statements of the President of The United States have to those who admire him. The whole society is indoctrinated every time Obama opens his mouth.
When you say it often enough from a position of authority, it becomes true whether or not it’s actually true.
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You should point them tot he fact that in UK schools, as a result of a court action against the school for showing Gores shoddy “science” as truth, ( the movie was dissected in court for its science content and found very wanting….)
Any time a school shows Als Big lie in the UK schools, they have to label it as “political propaganda” so the kids know…..
Let your teacher mates know this.
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Using children in various ways has been the aim of every idea that ever wanted to take over a society and run it. Remember that 10-10 group? There’s an inherent evil in this that is so repugnant it sickens me. No matter the cause, taking over the schools has been the intention since there were schools to take over. And now that we’ve allowed centralization of education at the national government level, the takeover is nearly complete.
The question we face is simple. What are we going to do about it?
I wish I knew a good answer.
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The worst of it is that if the thoughts of children could be given significant weight compared to the thoughts of adults with even a few years of real life experience, we wouldn’t need parents to take care of us for so many years, would we?
Just think about how much easier it would be to raise a child if that were true. But far too many will probably be influenced by the thoughts of children, especially in this world where emotion makes more decisions than deliberate thoughtfulness.
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Grade level education is where it works. That is how racism has been created – you train them to see racism in everything, including things and actions that to an informed person, would not be conceived as racist.
This is how you train them in behavior modification in sexual orientation – you start young teaching them the wonders of variety, not to be afraid of change.
This is how you create future wars by extolling the virtues of the government and the need to protect “the motherland, whether at home or in a distant land.”
This is how you train population control and hatred for material goods, by blaming everything on materialism and energy while teaching that maybe having children isn’t such a good idea. Start them young on the agenda, and wait until the seed matures.
Looks like the greens have given up on success in the next 5 years and are working to guarantee it in 10, when this new brainwashed batch of “brave new worlders” reach maturity.
Agenda 21, Ted Turner’s 750 million human population, ridding the world of “useless eaters,” and when this group reaches power, realize that those that differ in their opinions will BE the useless eaters, all fall into the same category of a New World Order of “The Aristocracy” and peasants.
And best of all, they will have been trained to be thankful that they have next to nothing and gave everything back to Gais, not even knowing that they are working their butts off and supplying the aristocracy with everything “they” need to maintain THEIR standard of living.
It’s coming faster than I thought.
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Simple solution – and if I lived in Oz with a child at this school I’d do it: Download the form letter as instructed and change the wording to reflect a sceptical child’s thoughts. Something like:
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This is no surprise, in 2014 in Victoria we had members of the CFA firefighters union handing out how to vote Labor flyers out the front of polling stations, using children to create sanctimonious vomit inducing MSM stories for the Greens is a logical step.
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Obviously the term “ethical” has changed a bit when I wasn’t looking, given that this travesty is apparently sponsored by “Australian Ethical Investment Ltd”.
This reminds me of Cool Australia, another educationally corrosive, yet highly profitable business for the scientific illiterati, but this time, sponsored by Bendigo Bank.
Why is it that Green groups tell us we should be out on the streets protesting at the very existence of banks and ‘big business’, yet they very readily jump into bed with these same groups whenever it suits them? The hypocrisy still upsets and enrages me every time…
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http://www.rba.gov.au/chart-pack/balance-payments.html
Well while( or hopefully before) they are protesting about “Big Business” it might be timely to consider what percentage of the active people in the economy work in the Resources & Rural sectors & the contribution they make to the Balance of Payments.
If the capacity to see past the Fabian mendacity of “splitting the view for propaganda purposes” is in play, it does not take a rocket scientist to see that the standard of living of the country is under pinned/underwritten by probably ~5% of the participants.
Further, that ~5% is the very group targeted by the concieted condescending ignorant arrogant vandals who deign to enter the classrooms with their “agenda”.
If the Darwin Prize is still going in a 100 years, the judges will be spoilt for choices from this time.
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Thinking about all things that are illegal – is this legal?
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Rather than believe that their message has sufficient merit and weight of evidence to hold the debate, the Green ideology grasps for children, in the full knowledge that they are disposable once they have served their purpose.
The purulent moral toxicity knows no bounds. They betray themselves at every turn.
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Maybe there is a lesson here from “Santa Claus Indoctrination” which starts very young?
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That certainly guarantees that by the age of 5 or 6 years, the kids adjust to reality and ignore the oxymoronic, Green / Red primitivising / progressives diarrhoea.
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Eventually propaganda campaigns fail because people stop taking notice.
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Sure Dennis, but it is the damage done during the period before people “stop taking notice” that we should be concerned with.
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That “shirtstorm” scientist may have discovered alien life on his comet
As exciting as it all sounds, there is clearly no unanimity on the subject.
And even Taylor himself isn’t getting his hopes up.
The problem is that there are no instrument packages on the probe designed to look for life so everyone is just going by what they’re seeing on the cameras.
If they can prove this it would pretty much answer one of the great questions in science… or at least as close as we’re going to get any time soon.
If there is life on that frozen ball of ice and stone hurtling through the deep freeze of space and being bombarded by constant radiation, then the entire galaxy is probably lousy with life.
That’s not to say that much – or any – of it has built rocket ships and radios, but at least at the simple organism level there’s probably life everywhere there’s a solid surface that doesn’t move too fast.
Unfortunately, short of sending yet another probe up there after Philae, it’s hard to see how they are going to prove this either way.
http://news.yahoo.com/philaes-comet-may-host-alien-life-astronomers-135219939.html
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Wow, that is such a bad thing and I am concerned why parents arent alarmed at the thought that their children are not learning skills for the 21st century but are learning skills akin to proessional ludditism? Teaching kids how to throw saboque’s at the machine is great skill to teach – but so is teaching them to code.
What gives that person the right to teach their insecurities to other people’s children under school hours?
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It’s not limited to the education of young children. Here’s what they can look forward to in tertiary “education” (likewise at the public’s expense):
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2014/09/geoffrey/
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A more recent story by Tony Thomas.
http://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/04/get-em-young-make-em-green/
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Not juvenile humans, but fish ...
“We were really amazed by this.
“This is not in the text books, it’s not in the papers, and it’s probably a principle that applies to all currents, all coasts around the world.”
Australian researchers on the CSIRO’s new research ship RV Investigator, have discovered eddies spinning off the Eastern Australian Current, that are providing a haven for young fish.
Previously researchers thought fish only developed in coastal estuaries, but these huge cauldrons of nutrient rich cold water, welling up from undersea canyons, are full of baby fish.
“These things are found throughout the coastal oceans.”
He said eddies are often hidden below a layer of warm water and researchers thought these parts of the ocean were “dead zones”.
“Just that 10 metres below the surface was this huge cauldron of water rotating at a metre per second,” he said.
“It was keeping the community nurtured because of the uplift and the temperature.
“The cold water with its fertilizer, the phytoplankton, the algae at this site, it was so distinctive.”
ABC Rural. 6-7-15
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I think the Greens forgot what happened to the brown-shirted children of WWII – they were the last line of defence for a political issue and were thrown to the wolves.
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Education is supposed to be the thing you do for others so that they can discover how to teach themselves, and to think clearly from your own observation and examination.
A system which tries to teach you what to ‘think’, and not how to learn to learn for yourself, is the failure of formal education, and failure of the teacher, and the failure of the system.
When instead of helping the young person to learn to learn, and discover how to develop their capacity to think independently, they have in fact become those children’s oppressors, abusers and enemies, and are in fact undermining them, and their future.
Which is the future state of all that you impair with such warped and actually shallow desolate ideological apprehensions of life. Who are you to dictate meaning, worth, valid or invalid, to anyone? The self-admiration and conceit is mind boggling! Just how did you get so up yourselves?
What is for sure is, no one’s born like that.
Socrates said a few harsh comments in his time about that sort of pretense of an ‘education’ and ‘thinking’, and the motives of people foisting such darkness of being on to the young, and the harm it creates for all.
The green left propaganda lobby is a blight on us all, and especially damaging to the young, who are rendered confused, bewildered, depressed and afraid to be exactly what they are, a natural being, that’s supposed to be what it is, and do what it does, and develop into itself in the process.
Are we really supposed to believe that life got our development so wrong, that we have to be changed to be something else? That we can’t trust that life itself in fact got our development completely spot on? that all we need to do is be what we naturally are, and do what we naturally do, and thus will quite naturally find the best ways to do things that are best all round?
Are we really unable to trust life to make the most of the young learning how to learn, and how to think independently, might turn out wrong, if not directed by thought oppressors and suppressors and lobby propagandists, mongering fear to us from cradle to grave?
No, you are not helping. You are not ‘saving the world’ form us. You are in fact damaging and harming life, via trying to prevent human life from being what it is, and is supposed to be, from expressing itself.
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Just how the hell would or could any of you know that doing that would or could be bad for Life?
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remember this one:
18 June: White House: National Dialogue on Climate Change And Health
Today, the White House is convening a Summit to bring together health and medical professionals, academics, and other stakeholders to empower people and communities with the information and tools they need to protect public health in the face of climate change.
This national dialogue will be focused on highlighting the impacts of climate change and underscoring the important role the public health community can play in communicating and preventing these impacts. Public health leaders, deans, ***STUDENTS, and others participants are coming together to highlight local success stories, discuss their work around climate change and public health, and highlight best practices…
https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2015/06/18/public-health-climate-summit
PIC IN FOLLOWING HAS 14 PROTESTERS – CLEARLY THE EXTENT OF THE PROTEST & NO OTHER PHOTO CAN BE FOUND ONLINE…yet it gets MSM coverage, including UK Daily Mail!
23 June: Channel 7: Danny Rose AAP: Medical students rally for climate action
Mark Hayes, climate change co-ordinator for the Australian Medical Students Association, believes people are generally aware that climate change will increase extreme weather events.
“But the understanding of what might be the long-term implications … for people’s health and lives, is not very well understood,” Mr Hayes told AAP.
“If I had one message for Tony Abbott today it would be to avoid all the health problems that can result from climate change, and protect the lives of Australians, by acting now with strong mitigation targets.”…
He and other medical students rallied outside Melbourne’s Royal Children’s Hospital on Tuesday.
They highlighted a Lancet Medical Journal report warning the health impacts of climate change are underestimated and potentially catastrophic.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/vic/a/28526135/medical-students-rally-for-climate-action/
propaganda rules.
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no preconceptions here!
1 July: Phys.org: New study examines undergraduate understanding and misconceptions of climate change
by Caren Fitzgerald And Karen Roberts
The human brain is a factory—new perceptions and experiences are passed along a mental assembly line, shaped by prior knowledge and molded and connected to form conclusions, which then drive actions. This conveyor-belt shaping and molding is known as a mental model…
What if that problem is climate change?
University of Delaware alumna Joanna Huxster reports new findings about the mental models undergraduates use to understand, process and draw conclusions about climate change, and the actions that can be taken to combat it, in the Journal of Environmental Education…
Huxster investigated the mental models undergraduate students hold regarding climate change, and how these models vary among students based on their education in science or non-science fields, and their participation in environmental groups…
Huxster’s study built on a 1995 survey conducted by Willett Kempton, professor in the College of Earth, Ocean, and Environment’s School of Marine Science and Policy, that investigated public perceptions of climate change. Kempton, Huxster’s UD doctoral adviser, and Ximena Uribe-Zarain, education specialist in the Delaware Education Research and Development Center, are co-authors on the new study.
***Huxster gathered student testimonies about climate change and developed a survey, which was then distributed to over 400 junior and senior undergraduate students at two U.S. universities. Participants were asked to agree or disagree with a series of statements about climate change, and earned a point each time their answer matched up with the science behind climate change.***
They found that students who were science majors, students involved in an environmental group or those involved in both had a higher understanding of the scientific causes and consequences of climate change than students who were not science majors and were not involved in an environmental group…
“If a person knows that they should drive less, use public transportation or walk more, and they know their vote on the issue matters, that will probably be more important to the future than their understanding exactly what a greenhouse gas is and how it works,” Huxster said.
Huxster said she hopes that improved education about climate change, both in universities and in other educational contexts, will lead to better understanding of this significant global challenge…
The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, an international organization of thousands of volunteer scientists from 195 countries, reports with 95 percent certainty that human activity is influencing global climate. Despite this overwhelming scientific agreement, Huxster found that 30 percent of respondents were still unsure about scientific agreement on climate change, and 20 percent of respondents disagreed that there was scientific consensus on the issue.
“The average student who is not studying science doesn’t have a better understanding than the average person 20 years ago,” Huxster said…
Today, Huxster is an adjunct professor at St. Joseph’s University, where she teaches environmental science for non-science majors, and a visiting research professor in environmental science and sociology at Drexel University…
http://phys.org/news/2015-07-undergraduate-misconceptions-climate.html
More information: “Undergraduate Understanding of Climate Change: The Influences of College Major and Environmental Group Membership on Survey Knowledge Scores.” Journal of Environmental Education DOI: 10.1080/00958964.2015.1021661 University of Delaware.
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In other words don’t learn the actual science, but still be useful idiots for a political movement. If they did learn the actual science then they would know they could drive as much as they want, not use public transport, and not vote as instructed on environmental issues, and know it doesn’t make any difference.
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21st century education courtesy of Uni of Bristol:
6 July: Guardian: Adam Corner: 12 tools for communicating climate change more effectively
Be consistent, talk about risk rather than uncertainty, use visuals, tell human stories and ***give the top-line message before the caveats
A new Uncertainty Handbook released by the University of Bristol and the Climate Outreach and Information Network distills research finding and expert advice to set out 12 principles of smarter communication around climate change uncertainty…
2. Start with what you know, not what you don’t know
Too often, communicators give the caveats before the take-home message. On many fundamental questions, such as “are humans causing climate change?” and “will we cause unprecedented changes to our climate if we don’t reduce the amount of carbon that we burn?”, the science is effectively settled.
3. Be clear about the scientific consensus
Having a clear and consistent message about the scientific consensus is important as it influences whether people see climate change as a problem that requires an urgent societal response. Use clear graphics like a pie-chart, a messenger who is trustworthy to communicate the consensus, and try to find the closest match between the values of your audience and those of the person communicating the consensus message.
4. Shift from “uncertainty” to “risk”…
6. Understand what is driving people’s views
Uncertainty about climate change is higher among people with right-leaning political values. However, a growing body of research points to ways of communicating about climate change that do not threaten conservative belief systems, using language that better resonates with the values of the centre-right…
10. Communicate effectively about climate impacts
The question “is this weather event caused by climate change?” is misplaced. When someone has a weak immune system, they are more susceptible to a range of diseases, and no one asks whether each illness was caused by a weak immune system. The same logic applies to climate change and some extreme weather events: they are made more likely, and more severe, by climate change…
http://www.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/jul/06/12-tools-for-communicating-climate-change-more-effectively
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Nothing changes. Indoctrination is what schools are about, good and bad. I had one son who came home suddenly as a vegetarian. He went to school as a balanced eater and came home with a dislike for meat. Now that is not something you learn from just having lunch. It is something you are taught. Meat is murder, apparently. Tell that to the fish who are all carnivores. So are the cuddly and cuddly one tonne killing machines, Polar bears.
Caring people are caught up in this indoctrination, but that is why there are religious based schools. Give me a child when he is young is the title of a neighbour’s book. He did not look up until he was 38. I doubt it is any different in Islamic schools. However that does not mean politicians have the right to push their unbalanced views to school children let alone enlist those children as activists writing by proxy to politicians. Such outrageous unbalanced an opportunistic political activity has no place in the education of children.
The headmaster should be writing to parents asking whether such political activists should be allowed anywhere near their children, not whether young children are allowed to write letters to ministers.
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Sorry that is cute and cuddly. You should see a Polar bear after eating a seal. Nothing cute about it.
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Or a polar bear after killing and eating a human
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6 July: CarbonBrief: Roz Pidcock: The most influential climate change papers of all time
On Wednesday, Carbon Brief will reveal the results of our analysis into which scientific papers on the topic of climate change are the most “cited”. That means, how many times other scientists have mentioned them in their own published research. It’s a pretty good measure of how much impact a paper has had in the science world.
But there are other ways to measure influence. Before we reveal the figures on the most-cited research, Carbon Brief has asked climate experts what they thinkare the most influential papers.
***We asked all the coordinating lead authors, lead authors and review editors on the last Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report to nominate three papers from any time in history. This is the exact question we posed…
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/07/the-most-influential-climate-change-papers-of-all-time/
***i stopped reading this lengthy piece at this point!
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Nothing new in this. 25 years ago we were encouraged to tell children about how we were creating the hole in the ozone layer; also about how timber cutters and farmers were endangering cute cuddly koalas. Greens have a natural toe hold in education via the teaching profession.
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6 July: CarbonBrief: Robert McSweeney: Chance of a very cold UK winter falls to less than 1% by 2100, new study suggests
The researchers used the ‘UK Climate Projections 2009’ (UKCP09) – a set of projections of our future climate averaged into 30-year chunks, from 2010-2039, all the way to 2070-2099…
The research gives a different perspective on future climate, says lead authorDr David Sexton, Head of Scenarios Development at the Met Office..
Sexton hopes that presenting our potential future climate in this way will reduce the chance for public doubt when we have a season of unusual weather…
Sexton, D.M.H. and Harris, G. R. (2015) The importance of including variability in climate change projections used for adaptation, Nature Climate Change,doi:10.1038/nclimate2705.
http://www.carbonbrief.org/blog/2015/07/chance-of-a-uk-very-cold-winter-falls-to-less-than-1-by-2100/
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7 July: Perth Now: Claire Bickers: Perth eco-friendly primary school scoops UN environment award
WELCOME to the greenest school in Australia.
Students at Coolbinia Primary School recycle food scraps, grow vegetables and walk or ride to school on “travel smart” days.
The school, in Perth’s northern suburbs, even has its own currency (the Boya) to reward environmentally friendly acts.
Coolbinia’s climate change project has been so successful it was recently recognised by the United Nations, with its plan to reduce its greenhouse gas emissions by 360 tonnes — about the amount of greenhouse gas produced annually by 66 cars — winning the UN Association of Australia’s 2015 Environmental School award.
And it has now also been nominated for a Pride of Australia Medal Environment award…
The initiative, supported by the Maia Maia organisation, has now been picked up by several other schools in WA…
http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/special-features/perth-eco-friendly-primary-school-scoops-un-environment-award/story-fnd1xzft-1227431271948
39 June: Richmond News: City awards Bridge elementary kids for climate change action
The City of Richmond announced the winner of its sanctioned Climate Change Showdown:
Richmond B.C. – Students from William Bridge Elementary School have won the City of Richmond’s eighth annual Climate Change Showdown. The school’s students each saved an average of 1.5 tonnes of greenhouse gas emissions. Their first place win is a clear demonstration on how simple actions can help curb climate change…
The Climate Change Showdown is a four week take-home contest that teaches students about climate change and the various actions people can take to help stop global warming. The BC Sustainable Energy Association, in partnership with the City of Richmond and the Richmond School District, delivers the Climate Change Showdown program to elementary school classes…
http://www.richmond-news.com/community/city-awards-bridge-elementary-kids-for-climate-change-action-1.1984583
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30 June: NYT: Diane Cardwell: A College in Maine That Tackles Climate Change, One Class at a Time
As universities and other institutions grapple with ways to fight climate change — whether by divesting from coal companies or installing wind turbines on their grounds — the College of the Atlantic is nudging its students to reach outside the school’s boundaries and start changing the real world…
Other academic institutions use project-based learning, and students at technical powerhouses like Stanford, M.I.T. and the California Institute of Technology are busy inventing new energy products and approaches. But few colleges have taken on climate change — and alternative energy as a solution — with as much fervor as the College of the Atlantic, weaving it into the school’s curriculum and operations…
In 2007, the school announced that it had become carbon neutral, largely through the purchase of credits to offset its emissions…
Of course, because it is a school, not all projects have panned out. The wind turbine that a class installed on one of the college’s farms has proved inefficient and not cost-effective, Ms. Demeo said, because a town ordinance kept it from its optimum height. Students trying to analyze energy use of the refrigerators at a local store reported in one of her classes in May that they may have blown two fuses.
But the student efforts have generally been met with approval…
(A version of this article appears in print on July 1, 2015, on page B1 of the New York edition)
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/01/business/energy-environment/tackling-climate-change-one-class-at-a-time.html?_r=0
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India reports Gurria:
3 July: EconomicTimesIndia: PTI: Decision on coal subsidy phase-out not imminent: Angel Gurria, OECD
LONDON: A decision on phasing out a form of coal subsidy is unlikely to come soon but discussions among members of the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD) continue ahead of UN climate talks, the OECD’s secretary-general said on Friday…
The OECD has been trying for a year to get an agreement from its 34 member nations on ending export credits for technology used to produce coal…
OECD talks in June ended in stalemate as Japan, a major user of the aid, led calls for more time. However, sources close to the matter said nations would review the situation over the summer before further discussions in September.
“I frankly at this stage do not think a decision on the subject will be imminent,” OECD Secretary-General Angel Gurria told reporters at a briefing in London…
Rich nations provided around five times as much in export subsidies for fossil-fuel technology as for renewable energy over a decade, according to OECD data seen by Reuters earlier this year…
The credits help companies such as Japan’s Toshiba Corp sell coal plant and mining technology abroad…
Without new steps to curb emissions from coal use, coal generation is forecast to emit more than 500 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide between now and 2050, which would undermine a worldwide aim to limit a rise in global average temperatures to under 2 degrees Celsius.
(FINAL LINE) The scale of new investment in coal-fired generation poses the most urgent threat to the world’s climate and many coal plants being built today might have to close before the end of their economic lifetimes, Gurria said.
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/business/decision-on-coal-subsidy-phase-out-not-imminent-angel-gurria-oecd/articleshow/47928879.cms
Guardian reports Gurria (with a couple of ***inconvenient truths included):
4 July: Guardian: Fiona Harvey: New coal plants ‘most urgent’ threat to the planet, warns OECD head
Governments urged to rethink plans for new coal-fired power plants as study estimates they will release more than 500bn tonnes of carbon dioxide by 2050
Governments must rethink plans for new coal-fired power plants around the world, as these are now the “most urgent” threat to the future of the planet, the head of the OECD has warned.
In unusually strong terms for the organisation – best known as a club of the world’s richest countries – its secretary general Angel Gurria, told governments to think “twice, or three, or four times” before allowing new coal-fired plants to go ahead.
“They will still be emitting years from now,” he warned. As a result, many could turn into “stranded assets”, having to be mothballed decades before their economic lifetime had expired. “We are on a collision course with nature,” he warned…
***Coal has become a more popular form of generation in recent years as it has fallen drastically in price…
***In addition, many developing countries have coal mines but no indigenous gas resources, making it seem an attractive option for cheap power generation…
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/03/new-coal-plants-most-urgent-threat-to-the-planet-warns-oecd-head
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Is there no protection for pupils under your education laws in Australia? In the UK, the Education Act of 1996, mainly for England & Wales I think, has this clause:
‘406 Political indoctrination.
(1)The local education authority, governing body and head teacher shall forbid—
(a)the pursuit of partisan political activities by any of those registered pupils at a maintained school who are junior pupils, and
(b)the promotion of partisan political views in the teaching of any subject in the school.’
I have reblogged this post at Climate Lessons: http://climatelessons.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/nothing-short-of-criminal-green-zealots.html
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John Shade,
Even if every nation on earth had iron clad laws to prevent the political indoctrination of students, they would still get away with it because they would claim that this is not politics. They would claim that this is “science” and every judge in every court would agree to that interpretation.
Post-modern “science” has reversed the natural order of things. Science is supposed to inform policy. Today, polcy informs science. c.f. “climate models” and “homogenization”, just for starters.
Abe
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John Shade,
It’s not that I’m disagreeing with you. You’re spot on.
What I’m saying is you’re presenting a rational argument from the position of a responsible adult. They’re doing just the opposite, by presenting their case masked behind an ‘appeal to emotion’.
Abe
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I sent an email to curtinscase@gmail.com that’s the only contact I could find… and received an answer back:
I think you might have to start reading more. Using and abusing children as you attempt to do on the website is akin to nazi brainwashing.
Can you show any significant warming in the past 18 years? Even accepting the IPCC suppositions we are looking at maybe 2 degrees in 100 years….. It ain’t Hell.
Were children aware that if the world decides to cut the output of carbon dioxide emissions by denying cheap energy-dense sources they are condemning millions to an early death through poverty?
What are you going to use to replace power stations with? Windmills? Bird Munchers?
The only thing you are really interested in is to maintain or increase your reliance on “Study Grants” from the Government and Ponzi Schemes to build ever more infernal noisy towers, no thoughts about the real environment.
Below the answer..
Thanks for your email.
I sincerely hope that the climate science denialists are right as what we are facing otherwise is a huge and costly change that will cause the loss of many lives and livelihoods.
If the science is somehow wrong and all we have done is stopped the bad health outcomes associated with pollution from burning fossil fuels, outcomes that affect poor people in developing countries more than us in fact, then we have achieved something. I don’t think anyone in the developing world is going to be deprived of coal to burn before they have solar or wind power alternatives.
One thing I do know for sure is that if a scientist wanted grant funding it is more lucrative to approach the fossil fuel industry than to approach the ARC, to study the benefits of coal than the benefits of renewable energy. No scientist I know researches climate change for the money, I can assure you.
Unfortunately Mr Johns did not ask the school or me how the class was conducted so he did not find out that the students developed the issues they would write about in a discussion prior to writing their letters and then returned to their desks and wrote individually crafted letters.
Mr Johns also failed to note that Chevron, Alcoa and other companies are constantly providing materials to schools on the value of their contribution to the economy so that students are exposed to the position that you advocate, or nazi brainwashing from the other side if you like.
I am pleased that you and I are united in our concern for the ‘real environment’, although we clearly imagine different ways in which it needs to be protected and nurtured.
regards,
Chilla Bulbeck
PS: two degrees is hell for the planet
Em.Prof. Chilla Bulbeck,
Convenor
Curtin’s CASE
curtinscase.org
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“PS: two degrees is hell for the planet”
ROTFLMAO!!!! What does this person think a 10 degree DROP in temperature, with a close coupled drop in CO2 does to the planet?
What does this person think happened at the start of the Holocene. It took THREE YEARS or less to jump from glacial to interglacial per Dr. Alley.
Perhaps it is time to educate this person.
The Earth is currently very close to starvation level of CO2. Below 200 to 250 ppm C3 plants are restricted to sea level and barely have enough energy to produce seed.
THE ROYAL SOCIETY PHILOSOPHICAL TRANSACTIONS
Carbon dioxide starvation, the development of C4 ecosystems, and mammalian evolution
TEN STUDIES PROVING SEA LEVEL HAS NOT RISEN AFTER HOLOCENE OPTIMUM The studies also show the Holocene was normally 2C to 3C or more hotter than it is now.
WORSE, there has been a very intense debate regarding which of the most recent interglacials is the best analogue for the present Holocene. Lisiecki and Raymo, (2005) soundly refuted the Berger and Loutre’s 2002 modeling and no one has come forward with anything supporting an extended Holocene since then. What we do know is that the past 6 interglacials have lasted roughly half of a precession cycle, or currently 11,500 years. The Little Ice Age was right about when the Holocene reached a half precession cycle old so at present we are on the descent into the next glaciation. And these people want to strip the earth of the CO2 security blanket that might be keeping us out of the next ice age? Or at least see to it that the C3 plants don’t become starved/extinct by returning much needed CO2 to the atmosphere?
Lisiecki and Raymo (Paleooceanography, 2005) produced an exhaustive analysis of 57 globally distributed deep ocean cores reaching back about 5 million years.
Lisiecki and Raymo’s conclusion?
So for the next 65,000 years there will not be enough solar energy near the Arctic to allow the earth to warm even if the earth does not descend into a full blown glacial.
(You might want to send this person all these papers BTW. I would but it is better if it comes from the person who started the conversation.)
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And here is a real killer of a paper:
Impact of lower atmospheric carbon dioxide on tropical mountain ecosystems
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WOW. Thanks for sharing this. We rarely get the opportunity to see such idiocy in full bloom.
In answer to some of the writer’s nonsense:
I sincerely hope that the climate science denialists are right as what we are facing otherwise is a huge and costly change that will cause the loss of many lives and livelihoods. Hardly, the hypothesis is conclusively disproven and lives to be lost will be as a result ofthe actions of/if “successfull” climate change advocates.
If the science is somehow wrong and all we have done is stopped the bad health outcomes associated with pollution from burning fossil fuels, outcomes that affect poor people in developing countries more than us in fact, then we have achieved something. I don’t think anyone in the developing world is going to be deprived of coal to burn before they have solar or wind power alternatives. I could ask what colour the sky is in the writer’s world, but it is obviously a rosy pink. If/as the science is wrong, the “bad health outcomes” are increased exponentially and great numbers will die – of cold, starvation etc. Wind/solar don’t have the capacity to replace coal, oil etc.
One thing I do know for sure is that if a scientist wanted grant funding it is more lucrative to approach the fossil fuel industry than to approach the ARC, to study the benefits of coal than the benefits of renewable energy. No scientist I know researches climate change for the money, I can assure you. The fossil fuel industry pays far less in grant money than the climate change industry. There are quite a few “climate scientists” who owe everything to the CC industry.
Mr Johns also failed to note that Chevron, Alcoa and other companies are constantly providing materials to schools on the value of their contribution to the economy so that students are exposed to the position that you advocate, or nazi brainwashing from the other side if you like. Providing information to balance against propaganda is NOT “nazi brainwashing”.
Gads! It would so easy to go on for hours, but I hate to inconvenience that many electrons. Especially for such a fool in a position above his abilities, morals and intellect.
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Are forest fires making any net contribution to atmospheric C02? The process is cyclical. If it wasn’t once any area of forest has been burnt it could never burn again. In reality post fire regeneration and regrowth captures and stores as much carbon as was released in CO2 during combustion. In fact less intense fires probably result in a net CO2 reduction, as a significant component of charcoal remains to contribute to soil carbon. There has been a significant amount of research in this area.
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Now that the catholic church has added its weight behind the propaganda we have the right to call ourselves climate change heretics.
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No troll posts so far on this thread. Probably because child abuse is indefensible.
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No, I’ve seen abusers and pedophiles of all types defend and “justify” their actions openly. The lack of trolls is simply a good thing albeit a coincidence.
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Bill, I suspect the troll personality is looking to score some wins but there is just no fun for them in debating the education sector. What put downs can they “score with”. If they could think of a good response, they would be here.
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Krudd Gillard of the Commondebt of Australia,
Dollars to donuts they don’t consider indoctrination as a form of child abuse.
and . . .
They’re not here because the education part of the plan to reorganize the world’s economic and social structure is the key to it all and therefore must be kept out of the limelight.
Global warming ® and climate change ™ are just a distraction. A way to keep the population occupied, arguing back and forth, filling the airwaves and print media wih dire scenarios, while they quietly take over the educational institutions.
We’d all better wake up.
Abe
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They took over education a hundred years ago.
Dumbing Down America
JOHN DEWEY, founder of the American Fabian Society.
From Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America by Kent Clizbe
GEORGE COUNT
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