Two days ago unidentified confidants suggested he would really pull out. Now more unnamed sources have more details about the announcement that is apparently imminent. Headlines are telling us that Trump Withdraws from Paris Climate Change, but Trump hasn’t (yet).
Are you excited?
Scoop: Trump is pulling U.S. out of Paris climate deal
President Trump has made his decision to withdraw from the Paris climate accord, according to two sources with direct knowledge of the decision. Details on how the withdrawal will be executed are being worked out by a small team including EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt. They’re deciding on whether to initiate a full, formal withdrawal — which could take 3 years — or exit the underlying United Nations climate change treaty, which would be faster but more extreme.
Thanks to ClimateDepot, The Hill tells us:
CBS News also reported that Trump is telling allies about his decision. The move marks a dramatic departure from the Obama administration, which was instrumental in crafting the deal. It also makes the U.S. an outlier among the world’s nations, nearly all of whom support the climate change accord. But Trump’s decision fulfills an original campaign promise he made just over a year ago to “cancel” the accord.
And Twitter is troppo:#ParisAgreement (as James Delingpole notes).
Trump was elected on this promise, and now people are shocked that he might keep it.
Donald Trump = Death Star:
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Big Energy companies put profits aside to become planet saving charity groups:
Friends of Earth attacks them anyway:
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Fan of The Science uses best reasoning:
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LA secedes from the United States:
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Hours of fun!
Dear Donald, send one of your tweets,
That the U.S. won’t take up their seats,
At the Paris accord,
Which the skeptics abhorred,
But adored by the warmist elites.
— Ruairi.
Don’t miss Delingpole: Climate Mob Threatens Trump – ‘Quit Paris and You’re Toast!’
Sources close to the President say…. , probably leaked by Trump himself , a little pre-market testing in order to gauge reaction and help him decide one way or the other . The climate hokey cokey ” in out in out shake it all about “.
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There is the probability that he has made up his mind but is delaying the announcement while his opponents become more and more hysterical. He may be enjoying their screams, or waiting until they reach dementia and say things that can be used against them.
In any case the general public probably don’t care that strongly at all but will be repelled by those frothing at the mouth and become more resolute in their support for Trump.
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Graeme, they are up in arms over at the Fairfax collective! The hysterical screaming and tearing at their shirts is wonderful to behold!
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The waiting time is over in about 15 minutes:
https://youtu.be/enGiN6AwgoU
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Was Just about to link that, Trump will pull out so let the so called elite tantrums begin, I recall another bunch of Autocrats that called themselves the master race and now???, history will repeat itself which includes the good fighting back.
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HE DID IT,
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Yes He did! And an excellent speech about the tremendous costs to industry, the consumer, etc. I hope others (including Australian politicians) take it to heart.
Jo, you deserve a celebration for staying in there to see this day.
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The man said zip about climate change, like CO2 does not cause global warming, so he only gets one star from me.
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el gordo June 2, 2017 at 9:16 am
“The man said zip about climate change, like CO2 does not cause global warming, so he only gets one star from me.”
Why say it or anything of the religious fantasy of some? He clearly stated why Paris COP21 is nothing but a scam\hoax!! 🙂
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I wonder how much Australia pays to belong to the exclusive club ?
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More than we can safely afford.
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Well he’s out:
https://thewest.com.au/politics/donald-trump/donald-trump-announces-us-withdrawal-from-paris-climate-agreement-ng-b88495066z
Nomnom … the climaggedon tears are delicious.
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Hmmm….please don’t let us down Mr President.
In the meantime, it is perishing cold in this part of Cyprus…where is the warmth one expects by now? My feet are freezing!
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I went to Cyprus once, for two or three days.
I got introduced to Ouzo.
I am still getting over the hangover.
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We’ve bought some and plan to sample it later….we like ouzo! It was known as ‘boozo’ to us and our friends. The red wine is good stuff too, also retsina.
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Dear Donald, send one of your tweets,
That the U.S. won’t take up their seats,
At the Paris accord,
Which the skeptics abhorred,
But adored by the warmist elites.
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Most excellent.
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I reckon …
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The Donald and Scotts Excellent Adventure……
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Do you know it?
You’re a poet.
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Actually, I have a suspicion that Ruairi is actually Edward Lear, in drag.
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makes the U.S. an outlier among the world’s nations … ??? really … with China and Russia as an outlier … G6 GDP 15 Trillion, USA GDP 18 Trillion … we are already an “outlier” we should stay that way …
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There’s nothing civil about civil disobedience when the anti-science, and anti-democracy crowd are involved. There’s also the small matter of them believing that they are somehow equivalent to those who fought, died, or were persecuted, or indeed those who are currently, fighting, dying, or being persecuted for resisting genuinely abhorrent regimes, laws, inequalities, or customs.
I’d like to say let them do their worst, as it will inevitably turn against them when people get hurt or killed, and property gets destroyed, but does anyone really deserve to be exposed to that level of ignorant, petulant, moronic thuggery?
I’m hoping Trump pulls the plug on the Paris deal, it can only be a good thing in the long term. In the short term I also get to enjoy watching people get ridiculously emotional about having their climate religion challenged, and/or their irrational/hypocritical hatred of a democratically elected leader who would be, after all, doing what few politicians do – keeping an election promise.
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Maybe they’ll needlessly fly 1000’s of people to Washington? Maybe they’ll light huge bonfires to burn him in effigy? Tons of plastic banners to print and paper/wooden signs to make so they can be left in the streets after the march. Lots of CO2 released when Warmists demonstrate.
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James, ‘civil‘ was a word usurped by the UN some time ago. It is readily conflated with ‘civilised’, which was of course entirely intentional. In reality, it is utterly unrelated. The UN applied the same intentionally manipulative distortion to the simple words, ‘climate’ and ‘change’. Thus, what most including the MSM think ‘climate change’ means is nothing close the UN definition(s). To confuse matters further, the IPCC definition of ‘climate change’ also inlcudes natural variation. The definition used by the UNFCCC does not, attributing it solely to anthropogenic influence, whether upon atmospheric composition or land usage.
You are of course correct, there is nothing ‘civil’ in ‘disobedience’. It may also be oxymoronic, unless ‘civil’ is taken to mean ‘the people’. The conflation with ‘civilised’ is obvious. It is definitely not and has never been ‘civilised disobedience’.
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“LA secedes from the United States: Paris Agreement Tweet”
Only Congress can approve treaties and any international agreement must be approved by the Secretary of State. Garcetti has absolutely no authority to do what he says.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/1/112b
And of course, he has no power to secede.
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I’ve seen the videos of how the professionally triggered physically fight when their opponents fight back; even “empty handed”. They also don’t like their identity becoming known (/pol/ did/does a brilliant job).
e.g. The “reds” of Antifa are the few prepared to do actual violence; but only if they can find refuge amongst the “amber” Antifa after their violent action.
There is undoubtedly a tiny, hard core of activists pushing for violent upheaval; especially if they can persuade others to commit the acts. But the “majority” of anti-Trumps like their anonymity and have some sense of consequences. Nevertheless; there are feeble-minded followers (not just of the left) so caution and some preparation is called for.
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Yes it might be a tiny group of hard core activists (aka anarchists/terrorists) but there are more than enough of them to be a major concern to all Western nations. All past major disturbance and revolutions were initiated by a tiny group of hard core activists. The much larger numbers of supporters that sometimes blindly follow provide the fuel and momentum to enact their cause. I’m afraid civil war in the US at least is inevitable. I hope I’m wrong. Look at it this way. We are all aware the number of IS and similar terrorists located in Western nations is extremely small. The number of hard core activists of the left and global warming kind is much greater. So one can put forward the argument that the later group is a much higher danger to our Western way of life. The other risk is the two groups could combine forces despite their strong disagreements on certain matters. It’s an opportunity both groups will find too enticing to skip.
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Would their soldiers wear clothing with a large red wind turbine featured instead of the Crusader’s cross?
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Just stamp a tattoo of a WindMill on their foreheads.
The mark of the Marxist !
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The mark of a Marxist, or Get-Up !
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Onwards Soros Soldiers ….
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Egor the One – did u see this?
1 Jun: Bolt blog: PRESS COUNCIL APPOINTS GETUP ACTIVIST TO POLICE MEDIA
Sinister. The Australian Press Council has appointed the deputy chair of GetUp!, a Leftist activist group, to police the media…
This is astonishing and completely inappropriate, given McGrath is GetUp!’s deputy chair…
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/press-council-appoints-getup-activist-to-police-media/news-story/db46a7cd509ae516e81622428cebf2bd
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“Australian Press Council has appointed the deputy chair of GetUp!, a Leftist activist group, to police the media…”……….
Just watch out now for all the FAKE NEWS !!!
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Any doubts now about the standard of journalism, with exceptions being the minority of truly professional journalists.
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Goes to prove the MSM and their backers, which now includes both major parties are out to put in place a totalitarian regime change. At least the US has Trump to try and stop it (no guarantee he will mind you) but here in Australia we are doomed. The only way to stop it here is for voters en mass to reject both major parties. It’s all up to them now. The next election is our final chance. All is lost if either major party wins, which unfortunately is most likely. Some are placing high hopes on a change in leadership in the government. Even if that happens it will not alter things much. The swamp is too deep and it needs a reset.
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I have decided that regardless of the potential for dysfunction and chaos in governing that I will vote next federal election with Greens last, Labor second last, Liberal third last and candidates yet to be chosen by me above.
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So the Delcon strategy.
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“but here in Australia we are doomed. The only way to stop it here is for voters en mass to reject both major parties.”
Interesting comment! In the USA voters rejected the two; called (uniparty); for else, any possible else! This was most difficult in the USA. For you more rugged folk in AU should be easy! Elect only yourselves! 🙂
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Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/blogs/andrew-bolt/press-council-appoints-getup-activist-to-police-media/news-story/db46a7cd509ae516e81622428cebf2bd
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Yes have already seen Pat! Get-up should be rounded-up as enemies of the state as far as i am concerned.
They are more ratbag than the Greens.
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With unemployment in la belle France at 10%, guvuhmint debt
as 90% of GP, social welfare, 31.5% of GP, alas Poor Paris.
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“activists” ?
More like eco TERRORISTS !
and TERRORISTS is how they should be treated !!
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They should be rounded up and put in off shore detention forever as enemies of the state/earth !
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Well , wisely, the USA has a very high level of private gun ownership and a right to bear arms – unlike the vapid leftwing view of firearms in Australia that socially nueters anyone who dares want to responsibly own a gun.
So shoudl a form of civil war break out, at least there will be very rapid natural & possibly well earned consequences upon the Left when they attempt to attack anyone with a right wing view…I suspect the darwin awards will flow thick and fast. Certainly wont be something for the squeamish….
Even the japanese in WW2 decided attacking the USA would be suicide, due to legal firearm ownership.
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Yeah, Garcetti is, and has always been, an idiot.
He also is loud and proud of being the head of the second-largest Santuary city in the U.S.
Our three largest cities, NYC, L.A. and Chicago are all defying Federal law by being so and all three are run by morons.
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Hurry LA. I don’t care if you have the right to succeed, just do it.
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The UN’s Lazy Persons Guide to Saving the Planet …
“Do a bit of online research and buy only from companies that you know have sustainable practices and don’t harm the environment.”
> So, I did …
Strapped UN health agency spends big on travel
“The World Health Organization routinely spends about $200 million a year on travel — far more than what it doles out to fight some of the biggest problems in public health including AIDS, tuberculosis or malaria, according to internal documents obtained by The Associated Press.”
Wait. What should I do?
Offset what you cannot reduce with UN certified emission reductions!
. . .
You don’t need to be the US President to spot a scam.
Unfortunately for Australia, it’s politicians are both stupid or incompetent:
Josh Frydenberg says the government is committed to the Paris climate change agreement.
Or both.
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You only have two politicians? Do they take it in turns to be either stupid or incompetent? Is there a roster? 😉
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There’s a roster… it’s Turncoat’s turn now, later it will be Shortencranky’s turn.
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Electricity Bill Shorten and Labor’s 50 per cent renewable policy.
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Can you find a slot on the roster for Victoria’s Despot Dan [Andrews ], SA’s whirling windmill Weatherill. Queensland’s Palacechook and the retard Trad , NSW’s unpronounceable and etc.
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Rereke:
What he meant to say is that Australia’s politicians are stupid some of the time and incompetent all of the time.
I take it you haven’t been paying much attention to our electricity crisis. Briefly we are facing blackouts this summer in Sydney and Melbourne (and smaller unimportant places like Adelaide) due to the policies of both major parties (and most of the minor ones) and the reaction has been – from Blue Labor is to talk vaguely about things that would only happen in 4 to 9 years time. The reaction from Red Labor is to make the policies even worse. The reaction from Green Labor is rejoicing and to make the policies even worse than anything Red Labor can dream up.
It has been going on over a year (at least) and no-one in Canberra has woken up yet – same sex marriage is higher on their agendas. The next lot of quarterly electricity bills will be going out at the end of this month and will reflect the doubling – or worse – of base electricity prices and will come as a very unpleasant shock to many people. There will be a huge outcry which will galvanise our politicians into “ACTION”. See my opening sentence to realise what will result.
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Yes, I get that. It was a play on the word “both” (implying that there were only two)
What I am looking forward to, (being safely ensconced on the other side of the ditch), is the Aircon’s and fridges not working, and the lights not coming on.
Nothing will kill this scam faster than than having a large proportion of the population being inconvenienced.
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Having the whole of SA “inconvenienced” last year, and most of SA yet again twice I think since then, hasn’t made a blind bit of difference to the SA “government”. Now the Victorian “government” has lost the services of the Hazelwood power station, so this summer will be interesting in the southern states. The giant power cord to SA might have to be pulled a few times now Hazelwood is closed. Mind you, up here in Qld out unesteemed premier has promised no less than 50% unreliables by 2030 – in less than 13 years time. Given the year chiseled in my stone tablet birth certificate, I might not have to witness that particular foolishness.
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Speaking on the need for climate action, UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres says that ‘the problem’ is ‘cheap energy’.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/31/un-chief-laments-the-problem-is-that-many-of-our-societies-have-an-addiction-to-cheap-energy/
Peak Stupid is the UN.
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Yes its the affordable energy that allows democracy to function.
Clearly the UN does not champion democracy or Liberty in its truest sense.
But I guess we knew that…..Reds on the Hudson…
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globalism anyone? http://balance10.blogspot.com/2017/06/should-eu-become-building-block-of.html
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They should write an app of which companies are buying into this nonsense. Then I can use this app to avoid these companies.
I downloaded the Dump Trump app. This app list companies associated with Trump. I buy from these companies wherever possible!
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Frydenberg is a sellout for a better job bribe by the ‘the Turdfull’ !
The Minister for idiot windmill energy and calling the Donald ‘a drop kick’.
His comment of ‘Vote for our 23% idiot energy target instead of Labor’s 50% idiot energy target’, displays really who the ‘dropkick’ is !
The expectation that such a stupid comment will attract voters displays the contempt he and other’s have for the general voter’s intellect, to go for such an obvious scam .
Now we have the latest joke due soon : the Foinkel report , the gloBull warmer appointee by Malcolm and chief CAGW propaganda lackey …..no doubt to tell us how we are all doomed !
The Turdfull needs to go at minimum or the coalition is finished and then in walks Carbon Bill which is even worse.
Our Choice will be jump off the cliff, or jump off the cliff, with the limited choice between 2 loopy gloBull warmer racketeers .
Where is Our Donald ?
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Elon Musk does not like the idea of US withdrawing from the Paris “Agreement”.
Now, there is absolute proof that the Paris “Agreement” is rubbish.
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The dusk of Musk?
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Abetted by Tusk?….sorry…immediate reaction.
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I think Elon Musk should be intelligent enough to understand the relatively simple concept of conflict of interest:
http://www.smh.com.au/world/paris-climate-deal-elon-musk-threatens-to-quit-donald-trumps-advisory-council-20170531-gwhoym.html
As they say:
Cui bono indeed.
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Who cares what that clown says !
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Dithering near the edge when you know you have to jump is never a good strategy.
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The audience is squirming, timing is everything.
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Energy companies (speaking with one voice, you will notice) have already stitched up a deal amongst themselves.
There is no competition in the oil industry, other than taking turns in discounting fuel at half a cent on a liter every now and then, for the purposes of maintaining an illusion that there might be competition, in order to keep the regulators off their collective backs.
So how all this going to sacrifice the planet(quoting fiends of the earth?
I find it very satisfying to watch the vaporous luvvies going into hand fluttering kiniptions.
The only down-side, is the worry that the vaporous luvvies might be breeding.
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Sorry Rereke,but the oil companies know that the government won’t go after them,because if they did the revenue from tax’s that are handed to the government would go down.The last I heard the true price of fuel should be a bit over a dollar a litre.So that would mean less in revenue for the Government.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpoyshqB8-o
Nope. No you won’t.
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Meanwhile, in feel good but do nothing Australia, electricity prices continue to skyrocket thanks to the RET. Electricity prices that were 4 cents/KWhr just two years ago are now above 10 cents. And there will be consequences.
Glencore and other major players in Australia’s mining and heavy industry sectors are threatening to shut mines and factories, and divert all investment elsewhere, unless Aussie energy prices fall back to internationally competitive levels.
Tomago chief executive Matt Howell, who runs Australia’s largest aluminium smelter, said: “The prices are still way too high. They should be coming down by half or more than that,” he said. “We should be an energy super power with the cheapest and most reliable electricity in the world. We’re not seeing that now.”
Meanwhile we await the imminent release of Dr Alan Finkel’s report into the future security of the national electricity market. His report will live or die on the test of affordable electricity. From his preliminary report: “The heart of the Review’s task is to find solutions to address the so-called energy trilemma – policies that simultaneously provide a high level of energy security and reliability, universal access to affordable energy services, and reduced emissions. This is easier said than done. There is a tension between these three objectives.”
We also have a review underway by the ACCC into electricity prices. A preliminary report is due to the Treasurer by 27 September 2017 and a final report by 30 June 2018. So don’t hold your breath.
And then we have a review being undertaken by the Dept of Environment & Energy into Australia’s climate change policies. That review is scheduled for completion by the end of 2017. Public submissions closed on May 5, but there is no indication of when they will be published.
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I don’t believe anything good will come out of the Finkel inquiry. Now, nothing good comes from our Government or its public serpents.
He is a warmist true believer.
He will likely advocate more renewables and grid scale battery storage.
His beliefs on the matter are stated here:
https://amp.afr.com/news/future-grid-has-batteries-renewables-and-software–finkel-20170208-gu8j12
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Every time I see these Government reports being handed from the lackey (set up to get the desired result) to Government Ministers of all persuasions in the glare of flashing cameras, I keep seeing the very next thing that happens, when all the smiles and handshakes are out of the way.
The smiling Minister walks through the door into the next room, drops the Report into the closest rubbish bin, rubs his hands and says ….. “Next!”
Tony.
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Tony, I have seen this happen in Government circles.
The public serpents receive a “Ministerial”. That is, a question that needs an answer from a government minister. All resources will then be applied to answering the question in the way the serpents judge the minister wants it answered.
(US readers: A government “minister” is like your secretary of whatever.
No expense is spared.
Sometimes, not hours or days is needed to answer the question. The minister merely has to satisfy an audience that “the matter is being looked into”. The serpents are then perhaps told to take as long as they like, perhaps that the longer the better.
The serpents might then employ hugely overpaid “consultants” familiar with all the latest buzzwords etc. and these consultants would be paid (12 years ago) $400 per hour, not for hours, days or months but years, and lots of these supposed experts.
All to provide the answer the minister wanted to hear so he/she can tell lies to the Australian people.
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HI Tony
Have you noticed AGL’s ads recently in which they have swung to the dark side?
This article is a good explanation.
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Tristan Edis????
From two years ago.
And surely even they (AGL) would have people explaining to them that CCS is a ghost the will never materialise.
I think they just say stuff like this to give the impression that they have a green tinge.
Tony.
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I’ve mentioned their TV ad before, but it’s always worth another look.
Watch very closely from the seven second mark to the thirteen second mark.
They know what turning off their coal fired plants means.
Tony.
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In today’s (01Jun) The Advertiser:
To me this shows how poorly our supposedly essential service power system is NOT managed if the rules need to be changed in this manner.
It’s a pity the same rules will not apply to non-baseload generators. The wind not blowing or the sun not shining is the equivalent of shutting down these ‘generators’.
How can private companies function for the benefit of their shareholders if they are required to continue to operate effectively with the financial burdens put in place by the green mafia? Possibly, they could be forced to continue to operate regardless of the financial position they find themselves in?
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I’m not sure they have the power to do that, it is tantamount to directing an organisation to trade insolvently. There would be all sorts of problems with that, of course the need for this nuclear option comes about because of the governments interference in the market with the distortions of the lRET. The solution is to get rid of the market distortion – to abolish the RET.
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There’s tension between more than the three “objectives”, Finkel me ole mate. I’d love to see these people try to live on an average wage, or operating a struggling small business. A dose of reality might be an aid to understanding the very easily identified problem.
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To celebrate the wisdom of President Trump’s decision to withdraw from the UN’s Paris Global Climate Agreement, this booklet was published today.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Hidden_Higher_Power.pdf
Freely available for atomic, nuclear and particle physicists to criticize, correct or deny IN PUBLIC, instead of hiding behind frightened AGW proponents.
With kind regards,
Oliver K. Manuel
1-573-647-1377
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President Trump officially announced our pull out of the UN”s Paris Global Climate Agreement in the Rose Garden at 3 pm. Roses thrive on CO2.
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Jon Rappoport has a good discussion of the issue, pro and con
https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017/06/01/historic-trump-rejects-paris-climate-treaty/
I understand Trump has another surprise announcement for swamp creatures tomorrow.
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Trump chases after another swamp creature:
http://eheadlines.com/breaking-congress-finally-goes-after-corrupt-susan-rice/
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DO IT DONNIE!!!!!!!! DO IT!!!!
President Trump I will even date your daughter!!!!!
Pleeeaaaassseee!!
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hey gordon. You could be in with a chance there. she may have some time on her hands if hubby gets sent down as a russian agent?? 🙂
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🙂 🙂
🙂
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although i would be a little wary of % plastic issues? keep away from naked flames??
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All his hemming and hawing about his decision makes me think he’s reneging on his campaign promise and he’ll stay in the Paris agreement.
Hope he isn’t that stupid. It would send his approval rating down to single digits.
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Which is precisely why he intends jumping out of the Framework Convention, then watch his popularity grow in tandem with the stock market. Rest assured he won’t renege.
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I wonder if the announcement may be some kind of compromise. For instance, he could remain in everything but just not contribute any cash.
Any withdrawal will provide an excuse for riots in the streets for the Soros-financed minions as part of their on-going coup.
The announcement is at 3pm (Washington time) today. I think that is 8pm in the UK. I shall be watching carefully.
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‘…..he could remain in everything but just not contribute any cash.’
Not good enough, what we desire is a clean break to start a debate.
Anything less would indicate that he is under the thumb of Ivanka.
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What is your point of ‘not good enough’? If Ivanka advises ‘do nothing until it is to your great advantage to do whatever!’, just what is your bitch? You seem to be a “I want it now” child, just like the demoncrats!
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I can’t see riots advancing their support. All Trump would have to do about it is call them a few rude names.
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“I can’t see riots advancing their support. All Trump would have to do about it is call them a few rude names.”
WORDS! All part of a last ditch effort to screw ‘you’ over! Pointing fingers and giggling would be an appropriate response!
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It is a puzzle. Trump and his straight faced poker playing. He is a real businessman, not a lawyer.
He wanted to get through his first big overseas trip with as little acrimony as possible. Besides, he wanted to hear all the arguments for himself. Not the pseudo science Flanneries, the political and economic arguments. No one seriously believes that Global Warming is the greatest threat to our world, that the seas are rising dangerously and whole countries are drowning or the rampant alarmism from Abatross to Zebra extinctions, but there are issues here and they are not about temperature, which is not changing.
America could have a real advantage in staying in the agreement now with masses of low CO2 gas being discovered. They could keep the coal in the ground for a long time, as they have done with their oil and gas. They are the masters of nuclear after the Russians. Why not let Europe cripple itself and pretend to go along? The US is the world’s biggest business and in world markets, pricing electricity in Europe out of reach may have a positive benefit for US manufacturers.
No, Trump will get out. He has a duty to the coal miners and his self respect is about being a man of his word. He hates being pushed around by the people his father’s generation saved from Hitler. He hates the lack of respect for Americans from people who demand America fight for their rights when they will not fight for their own. Trump does not want to be the world’s policeman any more. The American public never wanted it. Hitler and Tojo declared war on the US, or they would never have entered WW2.
He will get out of the Climate nonsense. Besides, the Chinese own that business and he would rather concentrate on movies, electronics, internet, heavy manufacturing and needs to keep electricity prices down. However he will also look at reducing the UN, NATO, ANZUS and all the other treaties which are just a drain on the US where they do all the work, pay all the bills and station US troops all over the world while Cuba, Venezuela, Phillipines and all the other military dictatorships sneer at the US. The US will go back to being isolationist, especially as they are now self sufficient in Energy and do not need or want more migrant workers, especially from countries where the hatred of the US as the Great Satan is taught to children.
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I very much doubt that the US would abandon ANZUS for many good reasons, one being the US Pine Gap Military Base near Alice Springs NT which provides intelligence gathering and communications for the US in this region. Another would be that US investment in Australia is second to Great Britain, both being by far the largest foreign investment sources of all, China ranks 7th behind Singapore.
And then there are our common historical links to Great Britain.
Also Australia has part of the world’s largest natural resources reserves and I cannot believe that the US would risk our resources falling into China’s hands, or Indonesian, any not so US friendly nation.
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Consider why the US defended Australia against the Japanese during WW2 after Great Britain demonstrated that defending Australia was not important, and they even tried to stop Australia from returning ADF personnel and assets to defend the country.
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Fully agree. I threw ANZUS into the list. I am sure there are hundreds of agreements from intelligence sharing to Visas and wheat etc.
Even Paul Keating as PM made public our anger at the surrender of Singapore. Tobruk too. Our future and that of the free world is tied to the US. People openly threatening Trump will fail. My other point is that he will still listen. He is apolitical. That’s why Washington hates him.
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You would have to say the Kathy Griffin severed head image tells a great deal. She thought she would please the media and the left of politics, that people would think it was funny, that she was a really out there comedian. Really. After all if Minority Democrat leader of the House Nancy Pelosi can have a big laugh at the f*ck Trump rally cry, normal bounds of decency are gone for these self righteous ratbags. Imagine if sacred Obama was substituted for Trump. Their outrage would know no bounds.
What they have done is cement in everyone’s mind that the media are out of control, pushing their own violent fantasies. Fence sitters will take note and the direct threats to Trump will galvanize him. Clearly Trump is not the enemy of the people, the media are and never has a President been shown so little respect. It is even worse than the ABC, joker Hocking and winking on radio.
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And its the unease the Left cuases globally is why gun sales are right up.
Lets be blunt – the left woudl intern anyone who disagrees with them and shoot them if they could. History tells us this.
All the internet has done is lay bare the true black heart of the Establishment and its legions of storm troops/useful idiots, the Left-wing agitators.
Dont forget Communism was an Establishment invention to create global tension. It cant exist in its own right without Bankers propping it up.
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Very much like Robespierre in the days of Terror after the French Revolution. This caring philosopher and socialist very left politician never tired of chopping the heads off people who disagreed with him. He was the activist who drove the guillotining of the Royal family. All for the greater good. The Terror only stopped when he lost his own head.
Remember the Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei? The real monsters are socialists and communists. For the greater good.
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I believe that President Trump understands the close relationship between the US and Australia/New Zealand that goes back to the colonisation of Australia by Great Britain and not long afterwards investment and even migrants from the US to Australia.
Our famous Cobb & Co coach Australia wide transport network was established by a US citizen who also later established a cosh business in South Africa.
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Sorry that “cosh business” was coach business – the former would have been Italian Mafia [wink].
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Good story. Cobb plus three other Americans. Based on the short lived Pony Express, changing horses ever 20km. Then taken over by more Americans when Cobb went home. This all after the US and then Australia Gold rushes but before the devastating US Civil war when the very definition of being American changed. Much like the definition of Australian before Federation. To call someone Australian was novel.
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I understand that NZ is a UN Globalism/Climatism Cult sycophantic follower, with a well installed ETS carbon tax in place. From being among the first to sign up to the Kyoto Protocol, to ratify it, to promote and lead the Dec 2016 UN Security Council Resolution 2334, its UN credentials are impeccable. Most in NZ appear to be born with an anti-American, anti-nuclear gene. Throw in what passes for State ‘education’ with its associated brain rinsing, the kids turn into prim little cult following watermelons.
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I am not convinced that Trump exiting the Paris agreement will lead others to do so.
Naturally, without the participation of the US the agreement will be even more meaningless than it already was.
But the agreement isn’t about logic or common sense. It is about the planned destruction by the elites of Western Civilisation as represented by the US and Europe and associated countries such as Australia and Canada. To this end, nothing will stop them.
Obama already saw to America’s possible destruction due to the debt bomb, mass importation of illegals and including legals of the uneducated, unassimilable and violent variety, lowering of education standards and the embedment of Marxists in the judiciary and elsewhere in high office.
It will take a superhuman effort to unravel the mess, I am not convinced it is possible.
God bless Trump and God bless America.
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What most of the nations want is money.
The USA is reducing emissions — others not so.
Previous Pres sent money. Big applause.
Refuse to send money – boos!
It is that simple.
Everyone knows the climate doesn’t care.
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Poland, Bulgaria, the Czechs, who incidentally still haven’t adopted the Euro but have stayed with the “Crown” like the UK did with the Pound, the Eastern Bloc in the EU wants out of any EU climate arrangement, even more so if the Americans pick up their ball and racket refuse to play any more and go home, and are doing their best to cripple the EU’s climate policies from within.
They are still run by politicians and bureaucrats who grew up in the old Russian communist ruled economy which collapsed in 1991 and are quite familiar with power shortages and what power shortages do to living standards and lives and the economies of nations.
Re Musk and his walking away from Trump;
Its all about money as if the Americans pull back big time from the immense amounts of wealth being splurged to no effect on the dreaded anthropogenic Climate Change non event in the USA, the huge federally financed/ tax payer financed
poollake of Climate Change money will dry up as there will no longer be any reason to finance nearly all of these never going to work rip offs of which most of Musk’s business posturings consist of and rely on the tax payer to provide the financial lubrication to keep Musk in the life style to which he has become very accustomed.Musk is going to be sitting way out on a very thin financial limb if that tax payer funding that he currently slurps up in huge quantities with great enthusiasm, dries up for good.
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The possibility exists that most of the world’s leaders took an opportunity to pull Trump aside for private discussions on ‘Climate Change’ and the ‘Paris Agreement’.
I imagine each private discussion went something like this:
“look here Mr Trump, we need to stick together on this climate deal because our continued electoral successes depend on the cohesion of all of us in the Paris Agreement. We depend on the groups pushing renewables so we push climate change, of course we don’t believe it ourselves, but that’s where the votes are.”
Now Trump may go either way on this, either come out and denounce the whole lot as being wrong or do some deals that benefit U.S. trade in some way.
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Trump’s election promise was to pull out of the Paris Agreement within the first hundred days in office. That he didn’t do it until his return from the GXX conference was, to my thinking, to see if there was any opportunity to discuss renegotiation and to size up (or down) his opposition and support.
The `water’ had to be tested before jumping and because he hadn’t pulled out at the time and had said so little about doing it, he made is seem he was `dithering’ so it left the door open to some talking.
What he saw and thought, we’re not likely to know for a while if ever but he’s sent a clear message with his action.
He’s definitely nobody’s fool. I admit, I’m impressed.
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It’s a no brainer. Trump ran on creating Jobs.If he want to keep that promise he cannot stay with the Paris Agreement since it is a Job killer.
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Trump’s decision to leave the Paris accord will only delay the situation, not solve it. We need to realise that the Marxists are now in charge and been working away at this project for over 100 years, so a Trump administration will only delay the project slightly. If the US does remain in the Paris accord, then the sooner economic collapse occurs, the sooner the people will rebel and despatch another hated aristocracy, something which the usual suspects simply don’t understand.
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Louis this is the revolution we have to have, the Trump administration will go in for a clean kill and pull out in a year. I can say this with confidence because in a democracy he doesn’t have the luxury of time.
In regards to the pseudo Marxists, we have them on the run. The twitterspehere and msm will scream, but in everyday relations on the ground its our job to support Donald the Great in his quest to eliminate fake news on climate change.
The Trots in the ABC newsroom need to be routed and then we’ll enjoy our moment in the sun. After all, we are looking at a scientific paradigm shift which will turn the world on its head, aunty cannot ignore it.
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https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/05/31/in-one-graph-why-the-parisclimate-accord-is-useless/
Play it again…Environmentalism is the sheepskin coat donned
by the Old Left. A convenient call to reduce efficient energy
and return the West to a Dark Ages economy.
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That was the idea and its been a very successful propaganda campaign, bringing in the emotive angle of saving the planet for our kids.
In every home, coffee shop and bar around the world a debate has begun and it’ll become ferocious, but ultimately its whether the pseudo Marxists can continue telling the big lie that CO2 is a major player.
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Trump, oh you big tease, you!
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“Trump, oh you big tease, you!”
Indeed! But so carefully executed. I see no possible error in encouraging enemies to make huge mistakes! 🙂
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This is no game, are you on my side at the barricades?
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el gordo June 1, 2017 at 1:02 pm
“This is no game, are you on my side at the barricades?”
Your POV only; intentionally induced dread by enemy!
What is the result if you only giggle?
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‘It is about the planned destruction by the elites of Western Civilisation’
True. It is tragic, a little frightening, bizarre. Doubtless only a small percentage drive the campaign, but why so many others naively sign on is a mystery.
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They have been brainwashed by propaganda, we can bring the masses over very quickly with the use of satire.
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Then the cold steel for them. I feel that massive upheaval is at hand;we have been protected for too long. Prepare for disruption and chaos.You know it’s natural.
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“CBS News also reported that Trump is telling allies about his decision”.
Hopefully allies is not a typo (lies)
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If this goes ahead, Trump gets the John Fifita Award. For being large and in charge.
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I meant Andrew Fifita. Guess I have St George on the brain.
But really, how good is this! Fifita makes NSW great again (MNSWGA!) and Trump looks like giving the euro-climatariat the big flush. Those fake tans and hundred euro haircuts won’t help them now.
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miracle of miracles:
31 May: Daily Caller: Nick Givas: Matt Lewis Schools CNN Panel On Paris Agreement [VIDEO]
Political writer and columnist for The Daily Beast Matt Lewis schooled CNN’s “News Room” panel Wednesday regarding President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement…
Lewis began by stating that “it’s not a good deal,” proceeding to list facts and figures.
Lewis pointed out that Trump ran as a deal maker who promised to put American priorities above all others, and also notes that Obama’s climate agenda would have caused six million Americans to lose their jobs if we were to see it through.
“America with President Obama made an overly ambitious pledge to cut greenhouse emissions,” said Lewis. “What that would do is cost about six million jobs, probably trillions of dollars in energy costs, but what do we get out of it?”
“That’s where the deal really falls apart, ” he says.
Lewis then discussed what would happen if the Paris deal was implemented in full, saying that the benefit would not be worth putting millions of Americans out of work.
“It would shave .02 degrees Celsius off of warming by [the year] 2100,” Lewis claims. “It’s not a good deal for America.”
http://dailycaller.com/2017/05/31/matt-lewis-schools-cnn-panel-on-paris-agreement-video/
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O/T
Adelaide freezes. Because Globull Warming.
It will be interesting watching them freeze in the dark.
http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-01/adelaide-shivers-through-coldest-start-to-winter/8578150?pfmredir=sm
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Shades of a Gleissberg
‘Adelaide is on track to endure a run of cold mornings not seen this early in the season since 1889.’
Weatherzone
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Kent Town is a built up area. What would the temperature have been with no urban heat island effect?
This news has the fingerprint of Gobal Cooling!
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Peter C;
This weeks weather feels like the mid 60’s esp. 1967. Very crisp in the morning and warming to a (cool) sunny day.
All 3 years from 1964 were dryer than usual with 67 Adelaide only got 50% of its average rainfall. They were years of the first Labor government for 30 years – PROOF that Labor causes climate change.
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Graeme No3 @ # 25.2.1
My thinking also.
Late 1960’s early to mid 1970’s weather in west Vic’s Wimmera region. Bloody cold. Heavy Frosts every other day in winter. Very heavy long duration , midday before lifting, fogs if no frosts.
Couldn’t go harvesting during the summer harvesting period in the 1960’s to late 1970’s because the crop was too damp and tough to thresh until it dried out around 11 Am to midday.
Haven’t seen that since the early 1980’s [ after the Great Pacific Climate Shift in 1977 / 78 ] and could just about go harvesting soon after daybreak as everything was dry and warm to hot through the late 1980’s, 90’s, 000’s and into the first couple of years of this 10’s.
Spider webs drifting day after day and always indicating heavy rainfall coming . So much so that I used to do a twice a week run down along our kilometre or so of twin overhead telephone wires with a piece of PVC pipe to break the spider web strands between the wires which in heavy fogs were wet enough to short out the phone and make it tingle and ring all the time.
And of course Climate Predictions indicated that New York would shortly be run over by rapidly forming glaciers [“Time” cover early 1970’s ] as a new and severe, extreme in fact, Ice age rapidly developed on Earth again as severe global cooling began.
Soaring; cloud base thermals around here in the late 1960’s and first half of the 1970’s were close to ten thousand feet and above to 14,000 feet with fast smooth thermals right up to cloud base.
Did a lot of long distance soaring flights in those years in late model wooden gliders and the early fibre glass gliders.
Then late 1970’s on and less cloud, rough hard to work thermals, lower heights and some bloody hard work in the cockpit and etc.
This year’s observation [ I have given up flying a couple of years ago and will hit 79 years end of month ] of cloud conditions show conditions beginning to look like those 1960/ early 1970 years.
I think based on my personal observations and guesses, which is the basic algorithm driving my own personal climate model which seems to be able to match the predictions of the super computer university created climate models, we have cycled through the warmer decadal long period and are now into a cooling cycle , a cooling cycle which might be reinforced by declining solar activity and extend for a considerable number of decades into the future.
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‘…..a cooling cycle which might be reinforced by declining solar activity and extend for a considerable number of decades into the future.’
A couple of decades sounds about right, similar to the 1950s and 60s or more precisely 1890s up to the first world war.
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Ahh,what goes around comes around. BoM predicts a warmer winter for S.E Australia,predicated on warm Pacific ,lax trades and + IOD in the Indian Ocean. We will wait and see shall we.
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Reuters needed 13 staff for this one:
31 May: Reuters: Trump under fire over expected global climate deal withdrawal
By Valerie Volcovici and Jeff Mason
(Additional reporting by Roberta Rampton, David Alexander, Doina Chiacu, Chris Kahn, Richard Valdmanis, Timothy Gardner, David Ingram and Rodrigo Campos; Writing by Will Dunham and Doina Chiacu; Editing by Nick Zieminski and Cynthia Osterman)
The CEOs of ExxonMobil Corp, Apple Inc, Dow Chemical Co, Unilever NV and Tesla Inc were among those urging him to remain in the agreement. Tesla’s Elon Musk threatened to quit White House advisory councils if the president pulls out…
Robert Murray, CEO of Murray Energy Corp, an Ohio-based coal company and major Trump campaign donor, urged Trump to withdraw from the deal. But on Wednesday, U.S. coal company shares fell alongside renewable energy stocks following reports that Trump would pull out…
***In Berlin, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker stressed withdrawal would take years, saying, “The Americans can’t just leave the climate protection agreement. Mr. Trump believes that because he doesn’t know the details.”…
China and the European Union will seek on Friday to buttress the agreement. In a statement backed by all 28 EU states, the European Union and China will commit to full implementation of the accord, EU and Chinese officials said…
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-trump-idUSKBN18R1J4
AP managed with six:
31 May: AP: Trump abandoning global climate pact? Decision ‘very soon’
By JILL COLVIN and JULIE PACE
(Associated Press writers Catherine Lucy, Michael Biesecker and Seth Borenstein in Washington and Lorne Cook in Brussels contributed to this report)
Even fossil fuel companies such as Exxon Mobil, BP and Shell say the United States should abide by the deal…
***Trump doesn’t “comprehensively understand” the terms of the accord, though European leaders tried to explain the process for withdrawing to him “in clear, simple sentences” during summit meetings last week, Jean-Claude Juncker said in Berlin. “It looks like that attempt failed,” Juncker said. “This notion, ‘I am Trump, I am American, America first and I am getting out,’ that is not going to happen.”…
“Paris more than anything is a symbol,” said Nigel Purvis, who directed U.S. climate diplomacy during the Bill Clinton and George W. Bush administrations…
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_TRUMP_CLIMATE?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2017-05-31-09-01-31
read all:
31 May: EurActiv: Moscovici: Referendums not needed to deepen the eurozone
By Jorge Valero
The European Commission backed alternative options to referendums in order to pass major changes needed to deepen the Economic and Monetary Union, amid “broader questioning” about the single currency.
“I have never been keen on referendums at all,” Economic Affairs Commissioner Pierre Moscovici said today (31 May)…
Moscovici recalled that some past treaties, like the European Stability Mechanism, were ratified by national parliaments without consulting citizens.
The action plan included in the document would substantially alter how national economies and social systems function.
But the Commission is wary of the perception about the euro among voters…
Pro-EU stances have lost every single vote since French and Dutch citizens rejected the EU constitution in 2005. Irish voters rejected the Treaty of Lisbon in 2008, although they approved it in a second vote after concessions were made…
In that final stage, Moscovici foresees a eurozone treasury that would be responsible for keeping in line member state accounts and would issue joint eurozone debt (eurobonds), led by a eurozone finance minister…
***Moscovici explained his past comments when he paraphrased ‘The Godfather’ to say that non-euro area members would get an offer that they could not refuse to join the common currency in today’s blueprint.
“In the Commission, we are not in a mafia model,” he insisted, adding that the reflection paper just summarised ideas to complete the EMU.
https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/moscovici-referendums-not-needed-to-deepen-the-eurozone/
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You can wonder why all those other Countries are up in arms over the U.S. threatening to pull out of the Paris Agreement.
Maybe the better option might be to just extract the U.S. from the UNFCCC. (United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change)
Right from the very start of this UNFCCC, they hived off the Countries into the World into two separate areas, Annex One and Annex Two.
While there are now 192 (or 3) Countries, that list has not changed as all new Countries, basically all of them still Developing go onto the long list of 152 Countries listed as still Developing.
From the short list of 40 Countries, 23 of them are listed as Annex Two Countries. They are (and read very carefully the bracketed part of this, and I have bolded it):
To pay for that, these 23 Countries were to introduce a cost on the emissions of Carbon (Dioxide, and they always leave that word off) by introducing what we refer to (very loosely) as a Carbon Tax.
Now perhaps you can see why the UN and all those other Countries are so vociferously imploring the U.S. to stay in the Paris Agreement or the UNFCCC as a whole, because when you look at the list at this link, you can see where the largest source of all their money would be coming from. And that’s not the end of it, as that UNFCCC also brought out a list of Greenhouse Gases with their CO2 equivalent, shown at this link, and the number you see down the right side is the multiplier, in other words CO2 multiplied by that number at that cost per tonne of each of those gases, and the U.S. is far and away the largest user (emitter) of these gases.
Pulling out of the UNFCCC might just be the better option, as it entails pulling out of that Paris Agreement anyway.
Nine years I have been writing about this, and I’ll only link to one of my own Posts here, and note the date here, November 2010.
The UN and Climate Change – Ten Fateful Words
Tony.
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Tony
I think for the USA to get out of the Paris scam quickly they have to do it by getting out of the UNFCC at the same time –ie. they are linked. Poster –Art explained the other day that to get out of the Paris Agreement on it’s own, formally, would take 3 years.
But Obama’s signing was never ratified by the Senate so are they actually in anything now ?
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If they are in anything it would only be by BarryO exceeding his authority. Why were G7 so keen for US to ratify last week if already in ?
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Wealthy countries paying for poorer ones – its called wealth redistribution/Socialism
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As confirmed by UN Official Christiana Figueres at a meeting in October 2015.
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And Angela Merkel last week, the Paris Agreement is the base agreement for Globalism.
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Actually it’s what all Governments do. It not so much the ‘Social’ element as the presumption of Government over our own that’s objectionable & collecting the money with little oversight & no plans in place to spend it.
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Well thought out reply! Perhaps the plan is to sh** can ‘all’ of the UN which is no longer doing any function for which the UN was created. Why would that not be better for the people, (of the US and AU? NATO is also defunct!
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UNFCC
Forwarded by Tom Jacob/AE/DuPont on 11/29/2000 11:08
.
While organized and deeply committed environmental activism has long been an important part of the UNFCCC process through major groups such as NRDC,EDF/ED, WWF and Greenpeace, they have operated within the structure asconstructive participants in the policy-setting process, along with industry.
At The Hague, this "inside" role was supplemented by hundreds of young, relatively naïve demonstrators brought in specifically to energize
the environmental presence and confront the process. Even some within the ranks of the more established participants -- while disavowing the takeover
of the negotiating room -- saw fit to publicly offer Minister Pronk and the
UNFCCC Secretariate a veiled threat of "Seattle" if the process failed to
deliver.
http://di2.nu/foia/foia2011/mail/0340.txt
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We’re out! ! ! Why don’t you come and join us?
I just hope we are out of it forever.
Thank you PRESIDENT TRUMP.
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undemocratic EU and communist China to merge because of “drought”, “rising seas” and “other effects” of CAGW:
31 May: Reuters: As U.S. retreats, EU and China seek climate leadership at summit
By Robin Emmott and Robert-Jan Bartunek, BRUSSELS
(Additional reporting by Philip Blenkinsop; Editing by Robin Pomeroy)
China and the European Union will seek on Friday to save an international pact against climate change that U.S. President Donald Trump appears to be set to pull out of…
In a statement backed by all 28 EU states, the European Union and China will commit to full implementation of the Paris Climate Agreement, EU and Chinese officials said.
The joint statement, the first between the China and the EU, commits to cutting back on fossil fuels, developing more green technology and helping raise $100 billion a year by 2020 to help poorer countries cut emissions.
“The EU and China consider climate action and the clean energy transition an imperative more important than ever,” the statement, by European Council President Donald Tusk, European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker and China’s Li, will say.
“The increasing impacts of climate change require a decisive response.”…
“China and the EU need to steadfastly adhere to the Paris agreement,” Yang said in a written briefing to reporters…
“No one should be left behind, but the EU and China have decided to move forward,” Miguel Arias Canete, the European commissioner who has led climate talks with Beijing, said of the Paris accord.
While China needs the EU’s technical know-how to fight the pollution blighting its cities, the European Union is looking to Beijing to take action against emissions blamed for increased droughts, rising seas and other affects of climate change…
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-eu-china-idUSKBN18R3A4
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I keep reading: “The increasing impacts of climate change require a decisive response.”…
Can someone show me the increasing impacts?
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No surprise there then. UN already declared democracies as dead & China the model to follow. http://dailycaller.com/2014/01/15/un-climate-chief-communism-is-best-to-fight-global-warming/
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Woohooo! She deserves a lot worse though. People like her are sick sick sick!
CNN FIRES KATHY GRIFFIN
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That is truly bizarre.
Where I’d Kathy Griffin actually do this?
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Try the Drudge report for the link to CNN Kathy and a photo of her holding up Trump’s very blood covered, severed head.
To say her performance is nauseating and unbelievably ignorant, arrogant and utterly imbecilic to the point of being completely brain dead, a fairly obvious and normal state according to her past performances, is understating the stupidity of this Kathy person by some magnitudes.
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I love the stupid antics of the Left at times….its kind of like the same self limiting mechanism at play that gives people richly deserved “social Darwin awards” that kindly temoves their influence from society…..
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Yes but unfortunately it doesn’t work that way very often. More often than not most leftists, even the really crazy ones get away with their nonsense all the time.
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fade to grey again. read all, and probably do the opposite of anything recommended!
***nothing politically partisan about the CAGW scam!
31 May: Reuters: World risks four-year legal grey zone if Trump quits climate pact
By Alister Doyle, Oslo
The United States could influence or even disrupt work by other nations to combat climate change until late 2020 even if President Donald Trump quits a global agreement, legal scholars said on Wednesday.
Trump will honor a campaign pledge to pull out of the 195-nation Paris Agreement, a source briefed on the decision told Reuters on Tuesday. Trump tweeted he would announce his formal decision “over the next few days.”
U.N. rules for the 2015 pact, which seeks to shift the world economy from fossil fuels this century, say Washington would formally have to wait until November 2020 to withdraw. Trump could shorten the formalities to just one year by exiting Paris’ 1992 parent treaty.
Quitting the Paris Agreement would leave Trump in a legal grey zone until the next U.S. presidential election in 2020, retaining a vote as other nations work on detailed rules on issues such as how to monitor greenhouse gas emissions.
In the worst case “the U.S. could make it more difficult to adopt the Paris rules”, said Daniel Bodansky, a law professor at Arizona State University.
“To the extent that (withdrawal from Paris) is already going to harm relations with our allies, staying in and being obstructionist would be even more harmful,” he said. Trump has promised to promote the coal industry over renewables…
***Megan Bowman, a law lecturer at King’s College, London, said the four-year waiting period was partly intended to insulate the agreement from a shift to a Republican presidency after Democratic President Barack Obama…READ ALL
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-law-idUSKBN18R31P
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Climate Depot:
ALERT: Trump to pull U.S. out of UN Paris Climate Pact – A Victory for Science!
http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/31/alert-trump-is-officially-pulling-u-s-out-of-un-paris-climate-pact/
CNN: Trump expected to withdraw from Paris climate agreement
http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/31/politics/trump-paris-accord/
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hilarious & frantic video interview with Shankleman, followed by autoplay of a 6min-plus video on the same topic:
VIDEO: 4mins05secs: 1 Jun: Bloomberg: The World Could Enter Climate ‘Danger Zone’ If Trump Exits Paris Deal
by Jess Shankleman
Funds dry up to help poorer countries adapt to climate change
While forecasting the state of the environment more than 80 years into the future ***is a notoriously inexact exercise, academics gathered by the the United Nations at the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change are concerned the world is headed for “extensive” species extinctions, serious crop damage and irreversible increases in sea levels even before Trump started to unpick the fight against global warming…
“Four years of the Trump administration may have only modest consequences, but eight years of bad policy would probably wreck the world’s chances of keeping warming below the international target of 2 degrees Celsius,” Michael Oppenheimer, professor of geosciences and international affairs at Princeton University, said by email. “The odds of our avoiding the climate-danger zone would fade to zero.”
While a 2-degree shift wouldn’t be noticeable during the course of a day, it would represent a historic change for the Earth as a whole that’s faster than any change in the climate since the last ice age ended some 10,000 years ago. The scenarios that scientists are looking at depend on measurements of air and water temperatures taken at hundreds of sites around the world, as well as complex models about how trends will evolve in the coming decades.
Trump’s move would clearly make the outlook worse, according to Climate Interactive, a team of modelers backed by institutions such as the MIT Sloan School of Management and the Rockefeller Brothers Fund. They estimate that the world would warm by 3.6 degrees Celsius (6.4 degrees Fahrenheit) by 2100 when compared with pre-industrial levels if Trump quits Paris, more than the 3.3-degree baseline scenario…
It also would threaten a $100 billion-a-year stream of funds that industrial nations have pledged to persuade developing nations to cut back their own emissions, endangering the political foundations of the global fight against climate change.
“The loss of U.S. finance would be the biggest headache, and of course the symbolism is not good,” said Michael Grubb, a professor at University College London who has advised the European Union on climate policy…
Longer term, the impact of a U.S. withdraw depends on how other countries and investors respond…
“The big question is whether a U.S. withdrawal would lead to U.S. investors and utilities actually starting to build new plants that commit to high future emissions,” said Myles Allen, professor of geosystem science at the University of Oxford’s Environmental Change Institute…
In reality, an eight year delay on climate action would be accompanied by cuts to renewable energy research that could in turn harm emissions reductions rates. Trump’s push to roll back the Clean Power Plan, for instance, could prompt electricity generators to burn more coal.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-30/climate-danger-zone-seen-if-trump-pulls-u-s-out-of-paris-deal
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I just turned ABC RN radio for a few minutes.
Someone was talking about The endangerment of the Barrier Reef and they distinguished between “climate change” and “dangerous climate change”.
Then they talked about a big crack in the Larsen Ice Shelf and how the whole shelf might break up.
The insanity just never ends.
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1hr ago: BBC: Matt McGrath: Paris climate deal: EU and China rebuff Trump
A draft of the document, seen by the BBC, stresses the “highest political commitment” to implement the deal.
It will be widely seen as a rebuff to the US, as President Trump prepares to announce on Thursday if the US is withdrawing from the accord.
The joint statement will be published on Friday after a summit in Brussels.
For more than a year, Chinese and EU officials have been working behind the scenes to agree a joint statement on climate change and clean energy.
The document highlights the dangers posed by rising temperatures, “as a national security issue and multiplying factor of social and political fragility,” while pointing out that the transition to clean energy creates jobs and economic growth.
“The EU and China consider the Paris agreement as an historic achievement further accelerating the irreversible global low greenhouse gas emission and climate resilient development,” the draft document says.
“The Paris Agreement is proof that with shared political will and mutual trust, multilateralism can succeed in building fair and effective solutions to the most critical global problems of our time. The EU and China underline their highest political commitment to the effective implementation of the Paris Agreement in all its aspects.”…
Significantly, both the EU and China agree that they will outline their long term low carbon strategies by 2020…
The document outlines other areas of co-operation including on the development and linking of carbon markets. There will also be bilateral work on energy labelling, energy performance standards and the performance standards of buildings.
“The EU and China are joining forces to forge ahead on the implementation of the Paris agreement and accelerate the global transition to clean energy,” said EU climate commissioner Miguel Arias Cañete…
Several sources, quoted by US media, suggest that President Trump is set to pull out.
***The president himself tweeted he would make his announcement at 15:00 (19:00 GMT) on Thursday…
The new move by the EU and China was warmly welcomed by environmental campaigners…
“If US-China climate cooperation gave birth to the Paris Agreement, now it is up to EU and China to defend and enhance it,” said Li Shuo, from Greenpeace.
“The pair has the potential to become the new driver for international climate diplomacy.”
http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40106281
Gov Brown: “President Trump can’t command science; he can’t command weather; he can’t command a climate”…
he’s giving climate denial a bad name. California will join with communist China to offset the negative pathway chosen by President Trump. atmospheric music throughout:
2hrs ago: VIDEO: 1min37secs: Trump decision ‘will encourage activists’
California Governor Jerry Brown tells the BBC that President Trump has energised climate activists and his state will work with China on addressing climate change if the US pulls out of Paris accord.
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-us-canada-40114812/trump-decision-will-encourage-activists
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They’ll need ter pick a pocket or two.
“The EU and China are joining forces to forge ahead on the implementation of the Paris agreement and accelerate the global transition to clean energy,” said EU climate commissioner Miguel Arias Cañete…”
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The appointed heads of anti-democratic EU & communist China should get along just fine with no need for accounting to their citizens.
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31 May: Tweet: Donald J. Trump: I will be announcing my decision on Paris Accord, Thursday at 3:00 P.M. The White House Rose Garden. MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/870083798981111808
as for Elon, let’s hope his ***day comes Thursday 1 June US time:
2015: LA Times: Elon Musk’s growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies
He definitely goes where there is government money,” said Dan Dolev, an analyst at Jefferies Equity Research. “That’s a great strategy, but the government will cut you off ***one day.”…
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html
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CAGW is toxic just about everywhere:
30 May: BBC: Greens accuse election rivals of ‘ignoring’ environment
She claimed Brexit could see the environment “trashed” and yet it had not been reflected in party manifestos…
Speaking at a rally of supporters on Parliament Square, Ms Lucas said: “The environment has been conspicuous by its absence so far in this election campaign – there is nothing from the other parties.”
She told the BBC it was “scandalous that the environment has been absolutely missing in the campaign so far”.
Ms Lucas has also sent letters to Theresa May and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn expressing her “alarm” at what she sees as their neglect of this area.
She accuses Labour of “failing on a number of key issues” such as fossil fuels and airport expansion…
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40096973
30 May: UK Independent Editorial: Caroline Lucas is quite right to ask the green question in this election
The Labour Party has not stepped into the gap with a convincing green programme
Caroline Lucas, the co-leader of the Green Party, was carrying a giant green question mark around London today to make the point that climate change has hardly featured in the election so far. She is absolutely right. The failure of the two main parties to talk about the environment has been one of many disappointing features of the campaign.
Ms Lucas makes the point that climate change is hardly mentioned in the other parties’ manifestos, and that the issue has not come up in any of the big TV set-piece events so far. The Conservative Party has retreated from David Cameron’s green respray, which was one of the more hopeful features of the 2010 election…
Jeremy Corbyn’s politics also marks something of a break from that of his predecessor’s, and one of the changes is that he seems to be less interested in the politics of climate change…
If the US pulls out (of Paris), other countries might follow and the Paris agreement could start to unravel…
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/editorials/caroline-lucas-is-quite-right-to-ask-the-green-question-in-this-election-a7763756.html
will post a followup.
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globalist Murdoch’s UK Times is running a crazy poll.
keep in mind Tories were up 22-24 a couple of weeks ago, and many UKIP voters plan to vote strategically for the Tories, to get up a good majority for a hard Brexit:
31 May: UK Express: Vincent Wood: Theresa May election meltdown? Pollsters predict Tories to LOSE House of Commons majority
THE Conservatives will lose their outright majority clinched by David Cameron in 2015 in the upcoming June 8 election, a YouGov projection has claimed.
***The polling method has taken into account an unusual technique using a complex computer model…
Experts have branded the rogue poll ‘utter tripe’ and instantly cast doubt on the model. It contradicts every single other poll conducted over the past two years.
Sterling took at hit in early trading today after the publication of the poll and fears grow of a hung parliament…
The former Home Secretary called the General Election when her party was 22 points ahead of Labour, however her lead has been slimmed down in a number of polls to just single digits within the space of a few weeks.
***The projection, which was carried out for The Times, was based on a complex model and sampled 50,000 people over the course of seven days.
James Morris, who was Ed Miliband’s pollster, added: “At the last election YouGov seat-based model had Labour sauntering home. No doubt they’ve tweaked it but, well, this is rather brave.”
Pollsters have struggled to gain back trust following incorrect predictions in the last UK General Election, the EU referendum and the US presidential run.
But insiders have reassured politicos and bookies they have fixed many of the kinks which led them to get the results of major votes so wrong in previous years…
However some are refusing to accept the prediction – including former Labour leader Ed Miliband, who was expected to win all-out victory in the 2015 vote.
He tweeted: “The pollsters have been off my Christmas card list since 2015. #justsaying.”
LBC radio host Iain Dale added: “Am I alone in thinking that YouGov are going to look complete and utter prunes on June 9th?…
***YouGov quizzed 50,000 panellists and applied their answers to a computer model which takes into account the fact that voters from similar demographics tend to vote the same way…
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/811232/Election-poll-Labour-Theresa-May-YouGov-Jeremy-Corbyn-Conservatives-June-8-2017
29 May: DemocraticAudit: How UKIP’s election strategy is boosting Theresa May’s chances of a big majority
In the aftermath of the 2016 Brexit vote, UKIP seems to have lost much of its original purpose and is unlikely to repeat its 2015 vote share at the 2017 General Election. But, Ron Johnston, Charles Pattie and David Rossiter argue, it may yet have an important – if indirect – impact on the election result.
UKIP is trying to demonstrate the strength of support for Brexit by standing candidates in Labour-held but UKIP-leaning seats, and constituencies where the Conservative incumbent opposed Brexit. In some Labour-Conservative marginals, meanwhile, it has not fielded a candidate at all. In this way, the party is boosting Theresa May’s chances of a big majority.
After its striking result at the 2015 UK General Election (with ***12.9 per cent of the votes cast in Great Britain, the party was the third most popular in the country)…
http://www.democraticaudit.com/2017/05/29/how-ukips-election-strategy-is-boosting-theresa-mays-chances-of-a-big-majority/
***polls show those voting for UKIP this time number far below 12.9 percent, because they are voting Tory.
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final comment on UK elections. since Theresa May became friendly with Trump, British media, especially BBC, which had been hostile about Corbyn, have changed their tune somewhat. no doubt Labour is also seen as slightly more CAGW-friendly policy-wise as well:
31 May: GuidoFawkes: Tory lead just 3 points with YouGov
YouGov doubling down…
READ SOME OF THE COMMENTS
https://order-order.com/2017/05/31/tory-lead-just-3-points-yougov/
31 May: GuidoFawkes: BBC News at Ten promotes fake news site Skwawkbox
Skwawkbox is not simply a left-wing or Corbynista news site. It deliberately peddles knowing untruths with the aim of going viral and misleading its audience – it is the definition of fake news. The BBC gave Skwawkbox’s lone author anonymity – Guido can tell you he is a far-left conspiracy theorist called Steve Walker. What on earth is the BBC’s media editor Amol Rajan thinking giving this nutter the platform of the News at Ten?…
FIRST COMMENT AS TIME OF POSTING THIS COMMENT:
Robin the Hood: Speaking as an ashamed and totally disillusioned ex BBC employee.
I have just had the misfortune to witness a once, proud, loved and internationally respected institution wantonly flush the last shreds of integrity down the toilet.
https://order-order.com/2017/05/31/bbc-news-ten-promotes-fake-news-site-skwawkbox/
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The decision
Trump will announce his decision “Today” Thursday 3pm EST
praying for a complete exit from the UN climate program
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Donald, don’t lose your trousers.
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Elon Musk is already walking out the door.
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Psst: anyone want to buy a quarter of a million dollar Tesla defunded electric car?
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LOL. Will that include the toy & pram ?
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Musk already had his eye on China. Now he can trump up an idealogical excuse for shifting jobs Abroad
https://www.fastcompany.com/3055848/elon-musk-wants-a-tesla-factory-in-china-this-year
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That’s 3am Friday Perth time – I will have to set my alarm clock 3 hrs earlier than normal tomorrow morning – if Clexit gets confirmed by President Trump, I like the ScotsmaninUtah, and millions of others, in response to our prays being answered, no doubt will celebrate with a whisky or two – yippeee!!! And champers too of course. Long shall we remember 1 June 2017, the day that heralded the “beginning of the end” of Man’s most costly myth, the “Theory of AGW”. This ludicrous myth will gradually die off during the course of time – “death by a 1000 cuts”. Thanks to Clexit – “The first cut is the deepest” (ironically the hit song released 50 years ago by Cat Stevens).
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EST is Eastern Standard time in US usage, or UTC -5. The announcement will be at 3pm EDT, since we are on Daylight Savings Time by applicable local or Federal law, US usage, or UTC -4.
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Actually turned out to be bang on UTC-4.5.
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“Climate Mob threatens Trump : Quit Paris & you’re Toast ”
LOL. That coming from the crumbs.
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Watt @ # 39
Quote of the day and says it all in a couple of lines.
Jo really should put that one up in the headline post
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EU President Juncker on Trump’s lack of enthusiam for Paris agreement.
Juncker is from Luxembourg and as everyone knows he is the current President of the EU , however he as President is also responsible for the financial integrity of the block for which the accounts have not been signed off by auditors for over 15 years. 😮
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Juncker the Trotskyist Pan- European fool. I liked it when Nigel Farage upset the poor fellow some time back. I’m a bit of a Europhile myself , but I really enjoy pissing off these limp types who are unwilling to defend their heritage.
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Who cares what ‘the junker’ has to say ….another charismaless Commissar .
Let’s see that dud and cohort try to enforce anything on the USA with the Donald in charge !
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AUDIO: 7mins43secs: 1 Jun: 2GB: Michael McLaren: Australia urged to dump Paris Accord
Front-runner to become President Trump’s White House Science Adviser Professor William Happer urges Australia to follow the US and withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement.
http://www.2gb.com/podcast/australia-urged-to-dump-paris-accord/
AUDIO: 11mins33secs: 31 May: 2GB: Michael McLaren: Bjorn Lomborg says Paris Agreement is a ‘Bad Deal’
Climate expert Bjorn Lomborg says the Paris Climate Agreement is a “feel good measure” that will do no good for its cost of trillions of dollars.
http://www.2gb.com/podcast/bjorn-lomborg-says-paris-agreement-is-a-bad-deal/
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best-case scenario?
1 Jun: American Thinker: President Trump: Time to Abolish Climate Alarmism in America
By Leo Goldstein
The climate agenda is much bigger than it seems; it moves hundreds of billions of dollars annually and demands trillions. The media coverage of the G7 summit was mostly about the climate agenda…
At long last, we finally have a president who is willing and able to abolish climate alarmism in America. The only questions are when and how. My answers: immediately, unequivocally, and entirely.
There is no middle ground. Attempts to appease climate alarmists with statements such as “We agree with your concerns, but let us decide on the pace of the actions,” have not only failed to check the climate agenda, but strengthened it as well. Climate alarmism renouncement must include declaring independence from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a U.N. entity with an explicit mandate to pervert science, and a review of activities that promoted its self-professed authority in this country…
The climate agenda must be renounced for its scientific invalidity. All the economic and political reasons to reject it remain in force, but invoking them tempts European politicians to engage in virtue-signaling and ritual scapegoating of the U.S…
President Trump cannot receive support from the public without making a firm stand. When he makes it, things will change. Many smart people will take a harder look at the science, the purported scientists, and the whole process. Witnesses will come forward. Real scientists will testify how they or their colleagues were defunded, dismissed, or otherwise mistreated for disagreeing with climate alarmism. EPA employees will tell how their bosses abrogated their duty and became willing collaborators with Big Green. Even journalists will come forward and bear witness to how the green activists pressed them for one-sided coverage. When the wall of silence is broken, and the victims and witnesses feel no fear of retaliation, hundreds will step forward…
Then whistleblowers will start coming from the ranks of Big Green and other alarm-mongers. Many non-profit corporations, from the Union of Con Scientists to the MacArthur Foundation, have been supplementing their multi-million incomes and multi-billion endowments with taxpayer money. Some of them also falsely claimed charitable status and evaded taxes – usually while advocating tax increases for working men. Certain leftist hedge fund managers took part in bankrupting coal companies and then bought their shares at rock-bottom prices. Investigations and lawsuits will reveal many more cases…
Climate alarmism will not simply fade away. Something receiving hundreds of billions of dollars annually cannot fade away. Besides, very powerful political forces have tied their destiny to climate alarmism. In the U.S., these forces include Big Green, the mis-educational complex, and possibly even the Democratic Party. Abroad, most of the European political establishment is on the hook. Together, they wield a lot of power and know how to use it. On the other hand, a mere renouncement by the U.S. government would deliver a knockout to climate alarmism. Abandoning the unratified Paris agreement would be a small step in the right direction.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/05/president_trump_time_to_abolish_climate_alarmism_in_america.html
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This might be more fun than the Climate Gate revelations of 2009.
I posted the following on WUWT on another subject this morning
[ WUWT comments section seems to have become inhabited by a rather strange set of mentalities as seen in many comments lately. I guess I had better not look in a mirror for a while !!]
What seems to be becoming very obvious amongst the Climate Change cultists is the increasing levels of blatantly open irrationality allied with a truly profound ignorance and an intellectually myopic vision of what the climate of the planet really does consist of and the truly immense forces that are involved in shaping that climate.
The concept of which seem to be completely beyond the intellectual ability of the climate change cultists to think and research their way through.
This along with steadily deteriorating and increasing lack of of any rational reality about the climate of the planet allied with an increasing propensity towards openly displayed hatred, open and blatant bullying, deliberate and an open and gross discrimination allied with constant threats of extreme violence and even death against anybody who dares to doubt or question the irrationality and the growing extremism of the climate cultists.
All this for just having views on the future of the global climate that are different or the reverse to those of the increasingly radical and irrational trending ISIS levels of hate, climate cultists.
So my WUWT contribution;
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I am fed up to the back teeth with the so called “Activists” of every stripe, colour, race, religion, political, gender and climate change persuasion.
“Activist”;
A “zealot” who is attempting to force their own personal ideology and beliefs onto the rest of society by any means available which includes bullying, violence, discrimination allied with a dose of sheer hate against anybody who dares to question their ideology and beliefs.
Zealot;
A person who is fanatical and uncompromising in their pursuit of their religious, political or other ideals.
By that definition ISIS is an example of a horrifying extremist end product of such “activism”.
An extremist end towards which some [ climate change ? ] activists and their activism are trending towards today in the pursuit of unbridled power to force their own personal and group ideology and beliefs onto the public, the society and the political and bureaucratic systems at every level.
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‘…lack of
any rational
reality about
the climate.’
People in glass
(double glazing)
high rise towers,
(U.N. buildings,)
Ministers'(in
Armani suits tho’
not Cardinal silk)
rustlings in the
corridors of power,
don’t concern them-
selves with weather
but rather with whether
there’s money and power
in messaging to keep
the populace, (sheeple)
alarmed.
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This is interesting from Marc Morano: http://www.climatedepot.com/2017/05/31/europe-to-trump-americans-cant-just-leave-the-paris-agreement-the-law-is-the-law-and-it-must-be-obeyed/
It has Jean-Claude Junker of the EU saying that Trump must obey the law – he can’t just pull out.
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Alright I’ll bite.
DLD and RW?
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Donald & Rereke I guess. Talking in riddles, you’d think it was Twitter.
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FAKENEWSMSM continues with the China CAGW world leader meme they pump out almost daily, but particularly since news broke that Pres Trump may announce US withdrawal.
just some of the latest:
BBC News – 1 hour ago: China commits to Paris climate deal as Trump decision looms
New York Times – 3 hours ago: As Trump Wavers on Climate Pact, China Vows to Stand by It
Washington Post-4 hours ago: The Latest: China calls climate change ‘global consensus’
CNN – 1 hour ago: EU, China unite behind Paris climate deal as Trump mulls US withdrawal
Deutsche Welle – 2 hours ago: EU, China pledge Paris allegiance whatever Trump does
Guardian – 6 hours ago: China and EU strengthen promise to Paris deal with US poised to step away
9news.com.au – 3 hours ago: China will stick to Paris climate deal
SBS – 3 hours ago: Ahead of Trump decision, China says it will stick to Paris climate deal
ABC online – 4 hours ago: Donald Trump: Where to now for the Paris climate agreement if the US pulls out?
China and the United States — the two key nations with the most emissions and influence — were front and centre at the negotiating table.
will post a followup.
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LA Times/Kaiman no different given the FAKE first half of the headline, but at least they provide some of the inconvenient facts:
1 Jun: LA Times: Jonathan Kaiman: China is getting serious about fighting climate change at home. Abroad, its investments tell a different story
China has signed billions of dollars in agreements with Pakistan to help the country alleviate its chronic energy shortages, primarily by burning coal. New projects will involve mining billions of tons of the fossil fuel annually in the region — home to some of the world’s biggest coal deposits — and building five new coal-fired plants to help power Karachi, a metropolis of 20 million people about 300 miles away…
???China, the world’s biggest greenhouse gas emitter, has in recent years emerged as a global leader in climate action…
California Gov. Jerry Brown will travel to China this week for an international summit on clean energy, underscoring the country’s growing role as a center of gravity in fighting climate change.
Yet China’s domestic progress belies a spottier record abroad. It is the world’s largest exporter of coal-related financing and equipment. Its state-owned companies — backed by state loans and hampered at home by tightening environmental regulations — are involved in nearly 100 coal-fired power projects abroad, in countries including Pakistan, India, Indonesia, Vietnam, Mongolia and Iran…
***For decades, developed nations including the U.S. helped fund the construction of coal-fired power plants in the developing world. Yet in November 2015, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development’s 34 member states — including the U.S., Japan and many European countries — agreed to restrict financing for the vast majority of overseas coal-fired power plants. The World Bank in effect stopped funding new coal projects for developing nations in 2013.
***China, which is a member of the World Bank’s governing organization, but not the OECD, has yet to adopt a similar policy…
(HYPOCRITE)The scope of China’s coal-related exports — and whether they are even cause for alarm — is difficult to assess, according to Deborah Seligsohn, an expert on environmental governance at UC San Diego…
“The Chinese are mostly exporting these quite modern coal-fired power plants,” she said. “So compared to what might otherwise be operating in these countries, these might be cleaner, not dirtier.”
“I think it’s hard to know whether the Chinese are having that huge an impact on what the fuel choice is in third countries,” she continued. “I don’t think that’s been proven.”
From 2001 to 2016, Chinese firms were involved in 240 coal power projects in those countries, many of which rank among the world’s most vulnerable to the damaging effects of climate change, including heat waves, floods, droughts and melting glaciers.
When the projects are complete, they’ll have a total generating capacity of 251 gigawatts, according to the Global Environmental Institute, a Beijing-based nonprofit. (By contrast, only about 70 gigawatts of solar power was installed globally in 2016. About half of that was in China.)
…Since 2016, China has announced, or begun developing, several new coal projects throughout the world, according to the online magazine Chinadialogue and the nonprofit CEE Bankwatch Network. The projects’ total capacity — more than 52 gigawatts — is more than that of planned coal-plant closures in the U.S. by 2020.
China’s tough domestic standards don’t apply to exports, and few of the projects have clarified their emissions standards. Public information on the projects is scarce.
“There’s hardly any official data on the Chinese side,” said Frank Umbach, associate director of the European Center for Energy and Resource Security at King’s College London. “They’re not willing or interested [in providing it] for obvious reasons.”…
Pakistan stands to reap huge rewards from Chinese initiatives. In 2013, the two countries signed the $54-billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor, a project so vast — involving transportation infrastructure, economic zones and a total of 19 energy projects — that a Pakistani newspaper called it a “Marshall Plan for Pakistan,” referring to the U.S. effort to rebuild Europe after World War II.
The energy projects include several power plants, three-fourths of which will be coal-fired. An estimated $5.8 billion worth of coal power projects are expected to be completed across the country by 2019.
The country has a dire need for inexpensive, efficient power — only 67% of its nearly 200 million people have access to electricity, according to the World Bank.
***In many ways, coal fills the bill — it’s abundant, cheap and reliable…
http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-china-dirty-energy-20170601-story.html
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the latest being picked up by all the FakeNewsMSM. love how it’s framed as a ***WARNING to Trump. sounds like a threat:
1 Jun: AFP: EU leader urges Trump to stay in Paris climate deal
European Council President Donald Tusk made a personal appeal Thursday to US President Donald Trump not to pull Washington out of the Paris climate agreement.
Tusk ***warned Trump on Twitter against such a move as he prepared to host an EU-China summit Friday designed to fill the void on climate if the US withdraws from the landmark 2015 pact.
“@realDonaldTrump please don’t change the (political) climate for the worse,” Tusk said after Trump tweeted he would make his final decision at 1900 GMT.
Tusk will join Jean-Claude Juncker, president of the executive European Commission, in meeting Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang at the summit on Friday…
https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/35724627/eu-leader-urges-trump-to-stay-in-paris-climate-deal/
1 Jun: UK Express: Alice Foster: Donald Trump Paris climate agreement LIVE: Will Donald Trump QUIT agreement? – latest news
The controversial President is preparing pulll the US out of the global pact to fight the threat of climate change, according to a source close to the matter.
Here are live updates…
2pm The Vatican, which backs the Paris climate change deal, would see a US exit as a slap in the face and a “disaster for everyone,” a senior official said on Thursday.
“If he really does (pull out), it would be a huge slap in the face for us,” said Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo, head of the Pontifical Academy of Sciences.
“It will be a disaster for everyone,” he told the Rome newspaper La Repubblica.
1.50pm In a tweet to Donald Trump, European Council President Donald Tusk said: “Please don’t change the (political) climate for the worse.”
11.50am Angela Merkel’s rival Martin Schulz said that if Donald Trump quits the agreement, US producers will gain a competitive advantage over their European rivals.
He said: “If Mr Trump wants to leave the climate pact, then we must talk openly about trade relations and market distortions.”…
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/811792/Donald-Trump-Paris-climate-change-deal-live-updates-latest-news-Paris-Agreement-US
notice how FakeNewsMSM has not questioned the so-called “science” behind CAGW in any of its coverage. not a word of scepticism.
it’s pure politics &, potentially, the biggest money grab in history.
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My wise Nan used to say :
If all your mates were dumb enough to jump off a 3 story building, would you do it too?
Nuff said.
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Canada’s looking forward to $200 to $300 per tonne in carbon taxes. Not that the population are yet to come to grips with the many great gifts of Le Dauphin de Dix-Neuf Decibel.
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And WHEN it happens I’ll believe it.
I still hope he does it.
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Should have added, IF it happens…
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He has
Cheers,
Dave B
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Two hours to go now, assuming that Donald Trump tweets on time.
I am in Bath tonight. The BBC cranking up the alarm with more green alarming assertions and not one word of septic optimism.
They are pinning all their hopes now on Ivanka talking her father around.
I am hoping that I will be opening champagne when the news comes.
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15 minutes. The countdown is on. Not quite the Moon landings, but this is a moment that should have many glued to their sets. Generators standby for the surge in demand afterwards.
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Enjoy your champagne Peter:)
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still hasn’t started:
LIVE FEED: President Trump Makes a Statement Regarding the Paris Accord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enGiN6AwgoU
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Hallelujah.
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Do you know something?
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https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/06/01/its-official-trump-pulls-out-of-the-parisagreement-on-climate/
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So… just now, ~12:10 PM, PDT, on live TV, Donald Trump says the United States will withdraw from the Paris agreement… BUT… big, big, butt… we will try to renegotiate an agreement on terms more favorable to the United States.
So he doesn’t get it. There are no terms favorable to the United States. It’s an economic suicide pact.
There was a lot of applause as he finished saying withdraw. I have no idea what he’s thinking.
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Forgive the pun but as always, the devil is in the details.
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I an disappointed that he is withdrawing because the agreement is “not fair”.
He doesn’t acknowledge that anthropogenic global warming is nonsense.
He obviously believes there is truth to CAGW but just wants a fairer agreement.
I was hoping he would announce that the reason for withdrawal was that there was no truth to CAGW and give the world something to think about.
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The Paris Accords had nothing to do with global warming to start with.
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EXACTLY! Or maybe the word is, PRECISELY!
Whatever the word is that nails down your point, he doesn’t get it.
But at least it’s dead for now.
According to various reports, the veracity of which I cannot determine, he has people pulling him in both directions from within his inner circle. That can’t be a good sign.
Just for completeness and honesty, I have heard him say he doesn’t believe it’s a problem. I forget the actual word he used but it wasn’t complementary about global warming. He also may have political pressures on him that I don’t know about.
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Roy Hogue,
I do believe that the word you are looking for is HOAX. He said (paraphrasing) that it was a Chinese hoax.
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“He obviously believes there is truth to CAGW … ”
Nothing quite as direct as “Chinese hoax”, but:
“This agreement is less about climate and more about other countries getting a financial advantage over the United States …. Withdrawing is in [our?] economic interest and won’t matter much to the climate.”
That hardly expresses belief in CAGW. The Fourth Reich has already denied his offer to renegotiate – as he knew they would. In the fullness of time, there could be a sequel to “The Art of the Deal” that will be an enduring classic 🙂
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I’m with David on this, all he had to say is that CO2 is not even a bit player in climate change. Talk of securing jobs at the expense of our grandchildren is pathetic, he has left me holding the can in a hostile environment.
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Delingpole puts on his rose coloured glasses.
‘Rather than get bogged down in the “science” of climate change — an elephant trap so arranged by climate alarmists to make anyone who disagrees with them look ignorant or “anti-science” — he cut to the chase and talked about the important stuff that hardly ever gets mentioned by all the other politicians, for some reason: the fact that the climate change industry is killing jobs.’
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Climexit!
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“Goodbye to the Paris agreement”
At long last the efforts of skeptics here and abroad can finally feel a sense of accomplishment as common sense returns to a part of the world known for its straight forwardness and a desire for truth.
America is out of the Paris agreement 😀
Team Jo David and everyone here F*** yeah !
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Just watched it live on TV here, I’m in Philadelphia right now, on vacation.
Best day since Climategate, November 2009.
Hopefully it will be the end of the “New World Order” too.
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Q. What is PLOMP?
A. The distinctive sound of a watermelon exploding.
Now back to the Sergeant’s Mess to celebrate…
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This is a real Gallagher moment (the visual comic who likes smashing watermelons).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ErppAlOIGQE
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Here are some the political Watermelons in their own words:
http://www.politico.com/interactives/2017/trump-paris-climate-change-agreement-reaction/
Some Republican leaders on the right and Obama, Gina McCarthy, Al Gore, John Kerry, Sheldon Whitehouse, Justin Trudeau, Elon Musk, Tom Steyer and others on the left. I’m going to look for some of the Hollywood responses now.
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Hollywood watermelons. ha ha ha
Patricia Arquette, Chelsea Handler, Don Cheadle, Mark Ruffalo, Mia Farrow, Elon Musk again, some “celebs” I’ve never heard of.
http://deadline.com/2017/05/hollywood-reaction-donald-trump-paris-accord-1202104843/
Some repeats, Leo DiCaprio, Michael Moore (a classic!), Bernie Sanders, Bette Midler, Piers Morgan, Anne Rice, Mark Cuban, Alyssa Milano, Dan Rather, more…
https://www.yahoo.com/news/hollywood-reacts-trump-paris-retreat-203519493.html
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thanks to jo, david and everyone in the CAGW sceptic community.
the political and economic arguments have been addressed.
if Happer gets his way, the scientific arguments will be too.
for now, let’s celebrate this momentous achievement.
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‘if Happer gets his way, the scientific arguments will be too.’
The position of science adviser to Trump remains unfilled, so we can only hope that Happer gets the nod soon.
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What a beautiful morning it is…
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WELL DONE President Trump!!! We are delighted you did not blink or buckled under the pressure of all the corporate vested interests!!!
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And his daughter………..
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He has finally done it !
Thank God !
Now what about malcolm ABDUL TURNCOAT turnbull ???
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***check news.com.au’s choice of video for the end of this article!
???”scarf weather” – lol:
30 May: news.com.au: Benedict Brook: Sydney shivers through its coldest May night in 18 years
SYDNEY has just shivered through its coldest night for almost two decades. Grab your scarfs, other major capitals are about to feel the chill too.
Spare a thought for Dubbo. The central western city fell to -4C overnight, its coldest May night since records began…
While a rock bottom -5.4C saw early risers in Bathurst struggle through the chilliest night in 18 years.
The run of ???scarf weather is being caused by a series of cold fronts sweeping across eastern Australia dipping the mercury to well below average for this time of year.
“The cold fronts will hit Adelaide, Hobart and Melbourne on Tuesday, bringing a burst of showers and a drop in temperatures, and a few degrees of wind chill,” Tristan Meyers, a meteorologist with Sky News Weather told news.com.au on Monday.
“Following the cold front, a large high pressure system will quickly build over southeast Australia, bringing a run of cold, frosty nights. This is when we will see the lowest temperatures since last winter.”…
Away from the city it will stay freezing. Nights in Bathurst will be a bone tingling -2-4C this week with highs of only 12-16C. Wagga will also see mornings below zero…
Ballarat will hover around 0C in the early morning, rising to highs of just 12-13C this week. Wodonga could sink to -2C overnight on the weekend…
***AT BOTTOM OF ARTICLE, FEATURED VIDEO:
BBC: Global Weirding
The weather is changing so fast that the new extremes being felt around the world might actually threaten human civilisation itself. Welcome to the new terrifying world of global weirding.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/environment/sydney-shivers-through-its-coldest-may-night-in-18-years/news-story/a5ae1c039fac0beb0acd8e44965c0a82
MSM is disgusting.
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“The United States will withdraw from the Paris Climate Accord,” announced Trump from a podium in the Rose Garden, citing fulfillment of his duty as President. He added that they will however “begin negotiations to reenter either the Paris accord or an entirely new transaction.”
What does that mean? Possibly that he wants out and he has promised to get out but that members of his family and advisers like Cohn want in. Now people will be loathe to criticize as they want the US to join, even on their terms. Leaving will take up to three years anyway, time for a new President. The Green Blob has lost the battle, but not the war.
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He played them TdeF.
Merkel and co have already come out and said there will be no more negotiation. So Trump is quickly learning the political game –he mentioned more negotiation to appease USA interests (and his daughter!) probably knowing he would get the reaction he got from Merkel
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As Germany and France have simply said no negotiation, it is over. Trump has even managed to appease his Green daughter by offering negotiation and being refused outright. So CLEXIT has followed BREXIT.
Yes, he managed to satisfy everyone, so while not a politician Trump has managed to expose the intolerance of the Green Blob. It is not about saving the planet. It is about the power brokers in France and Germany, Macron and Merkel, power and money.
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I have my doubts—to put it mildly.
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Well. I’m pleased to be wrong.
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comment in moderation re “30 May: news.com.au: Benedict Brook: Sydney shivers through its coldest May night in 18 years”.
Todd Stern speaks for “the world”:
1 Jun: WaPo: Todd Stern: Trump just betrayed the world. Now the world will fight back.
Around the world, climate change is a metastasizing danger, for some countries even an existential threat…
(GREAT) The idea that 194 other countries will listen to Trump’s insulting Rose Garden blather and say, “Sure, let’s sit down and negotiate a new deal” is ridiculous…
The ravages of climate change have been on display in recent years in the superstorms, floods, rising sea levels, droughts, fires and killing heat waves that will only get worse as the carbon index mounts. Vulnerable countries will look at the United States, the richest power on Earth, the largest historic emitter of greenhouse gases, and think — even if they do not say — how dare you? …
But let’s be clear: This is not the end of the line. This is a call to arms…
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trump-just-betrayed-the-world-now-the-world-will-fight-back/2017/06/01/3c0b8026-46e7-11e7-a196-a1bb629f64cb_story.html?utm_term=.742b197ce660
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https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2016/12/30/a-message-in-two-parts-part-one/
“The war against climate alarmism is over, and we won it.”
Pointman
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President Trump said that he was elected to ‘protect the people of Pittsburgh-not the people of Paris’
Don’t you just love that!
GeoffW
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two comments in moderation.
more good news:
1 Jun: Reuters: Live U.S. political coverage of President Donald Trump’s administration and key policies
There is no plan B on climate change: Macron
Macron tells Trump the Paris accord is not renegotiable
President Emmanuel Macron told U.S. President Donald Trump that the Paris climate deal could not be renegotiated and that while France would continue to work with Washington, it would no longer discuss climate issues with the United States, a French source said.
“The president spoke with President Trump in a five-minute phone call. The exchange was direct,” a source close to Macron said.
“The president said that they could continue to talk, but indicated that nothing was renegotiable with regard to the Paris accords. The United States and France will continue to work together, but not on the subject of climate,” the source added.
JUST IN: France, Italy and Germany ‘firmly believe’ Paris accord cannot be renegotiated – statement
Tweet: Elon Musk: Am departing presidential councils. Climate change is real. Leaving Paris is not good for America or the world.
U.S. announcement ‘has galvanized us rather than weakened us’: European Commission
http://live.reuters.com/Event/Live_US_Politics?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
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Trump’s offer to ‘renegotiate’ is a brilliant tactic. If they (Paris) agreed to renegotiate then all of the details will be mabe public and ‘Paris’ doesn’t want that. If they refuse to renegotiate then it shows that they are afraid of the truth.
Either way they loose.
Geoff
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The Donald has done it !
The Art of No Climate Deal .
The Al Gore Gravy Train Express has become the Al Gore Gravy Train Wreck .
Thank You Mr President for being true to your word .
It’s the beginning of the end for the Climate Scam !
Now we need to oust our waffler in chief, Global Warmer TurnBull and do the same in Australia
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An interesting reaction to the Paris Accord decision at foxnews.com
It is nothing but virtue signaling that is empty of thought and motivated by fear. The fear they will be thought “not with it” unless they are hysterical about the decision. The likely next step is violent riots with demands that something immediately be done by someone else simply because they want it.
I am so happy that I have escaped from the insanity ward called California and have sold all my property holdings there. The once Golden State is now nothing but tarnished fools gold.
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One can only hope the news from Trump re the Paris climate change agreement will lead to all the heads of global warming alarmists to explode, not just in Hollywood. It’s actually refreshing to see at least some common sense and logic coming from a US President. We haven’t seen it for decades. Of course it’s not all over and there will be much resistance and moves afoot to bring down Trump. If they succeed it will most likely lead to a civil war. Such is the stupidity of the global warming alarmists and the left. They rather crash and burn the place than be civil and let a democratically elected President continue in office and vote accordingly at the next election if enough people prefer another person.
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Ahh… it all makes sense now:
Celebrate
Our
Victory
For
Everyone
F###
Europe
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James,
that is so f****** clever.
Tony.
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Thanks Tony,
High praise indeed.:)
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Interestingly, Bill McKibben actually sent an acknowledgement to Anthony Watts, although he complimented him on “good organizing” and persistence. Persistence yes, (along with Jo), but organizing? That’s for Bill McK and Obama, not for us skeptics.
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Mr President : Tear Down this CAGW BS !
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Wouldn’t you just love to see the look on the face of Elon Musk and all those democrat politicians that invested into his pay to play ponzi schemes
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Mush has made his billions from the Global Warming scare and the fantasy that electric cars are non polluting and live on free energy. In fact they are crippling everyone else and saving no energy. Hybrids however make very good sense, halving the energy use by ensuring maximum conversion efficiency of energy and near full recovery of braking losses. Even Ferrari agree.
What will be in question now are the huge windmill and solar panel industries. In Victoria you would need solar panels to cover the whole state just to supply Melbourne, assuming you could store the energy overnight, which is impossible. So no one seriously believes solar is a solution. No one builds coal power plants in the air or on top of every mountain, which is where windmills go, destroying the landscape. We should perhaps have pictures of windmills on the Great Barrier Reef or one the cleared ridges of the Blue Mountains or in the middle of cities?
The Green Blob is wounded and they see this as fatal or people like Musk, Merkel and Macron would not spit the dummy. Obummer is particularly upset at the loss of his last minute attempt to hitch the US to the Green machine.
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I have not forgotten what Tony From Oz wrote about how many wind turbines would be needed (theoretically) to supply California with electricity. As I recall, three rows of three wind turbines from Canada to Mexico borders.
It highlighted the farce.
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Dennis,
sort of right.
In 2009, Ken Salazar, the Obama Administration’s Secretary Of The Interior, said this:
He said he could not estimate how many windmills could generate one million MegaWatts of power.
So, I just did the Math for him. The results were at the following Post of mine:
Salazar’s Wind Power: First Open Mouth, Then Change Feet
I don’t think he said all that much about renewable power after that day. (No wonder)
Tony.
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Obango is professionally upset about almost everything these days, well, with the possible exception when he is in receipt of the colossal fees for making an invited speech.
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OH YEAH!!!
IT’S DONE!!!
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Just read Teresa May’s comment. Disappointed. Privately though she may be cheering. She has an election running and needs Green votes.
However consider Donald’s position. Once again the US is ‘obliged’ to look after the rest of the world, not matter what the cost. Why?
If there has been a single consistent them in his position, it is that the US President should look after the US first. The very presumption that the US owes the world a living is wrong. Protector of all, world policeman, exporter of wealth and technology, supporter of every tin pot dictatorship, socialist dream land, military dictatorship and communist exploiter in the world? No, Donald was elected to make America great again.
Otherwise we all go down the same sinkhole with Venezuela, the direction Green socialist Malcolm Turnbull is taking us.
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The Minister for Goldman Sachs.
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A president keeps his promise.
… Say, Mr Turnbull?
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I just read that his son is with Goldman Sachs.
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Regrettably there will be threats against the President’s life. Just hope that’s all it will be.
Trump was elected ‘fair and square’ and those who lost should accept it.
Geoff W
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“Trump was elected ‘fair and square’ and those who lost should accept it”.
But the Left are bad losers – they will rant & rave until they get their way – good heavens that rhymes – watch out Ruairi.
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ooops it doesn’t rhyme – unless one swaps rave with wave – had one too many whiskys celebrating CLEXIT.
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if you believed the FakeNewsMSM, no-one is happy with Trump’s withdrawal from Paris! lol:
1 Jun: Local, Germany: Germany says climate pact ‘not renegotiable’ after Trump pulls out
Continental Europe’s three biggest economies – Germany, France and Italy – criticized Donald Trump’s decision Thursday to quit the Paris climate agreement and said the pact was “not renegotiable.”
“We note the United States’ decision with regret,” the three countries said in a rare joint statement.
“We are firmly convinced that the agreement cannot be renegotiated,” they added, referring to Trump’s announcement that Washington was open to negotiating a new agreement…
https://www.thelocal.de/20170601/germany-says-climate-pact-not-renegotiable-after-trump-pulls-out
1 Jun: CNBC: Mike Calia: Lloyd Blankfein’s first-ever tweet slams Trump’s climate decision
•The Goldman Sachs CEO’s first tweet criticized Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Paris climate accord.
•It wasn’t clear at first that it was Blankfein, but Goldman and Twitter both verified the account.
It took President Donald Trump’s controversial choice to withdraw the U.S. from the Paris climate-change accord to turn Lloyd Blankfein from a Twitter lurker into a tweeter.
The Goldman Sachs CEO, who has been a member of Twitter since June 2011, fired off his first tweet Thursday in response to Trump’s decision…ETC
http://www.cnbc.com/2017/06/01/lloyd-blankfeins-first-ever-tweet-slams-trumps-climate-decision.html
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u have to laugh:
1 Jun: NBC: California and Other States Step Into the Climate Policy Void
by James Rainey
“President Trump is giving climate denial such a bad name that the opposite, namely climate activism, Is receiving a real shot in the arm,” Brown said in an interview with NBC’s Sacramento affiliate, KCRA. “We are going to be all the more activated as the president seems to go off into the wilderness of obscurity and junk science.” …
California has long been one of the leading states to respond to the scientific consensus that man-made carbon emissions are dangerously destabilizing to the world’s climate…
After Trump announced his decision on Thursday, Brown, along with Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York and Gov. Jay Inslee of Washington said they were forming the United States Climate Alliance, which will bring states together to uphold the Paris agreement…
The California Business Roundtable has expressed concerns that California companies will have trouble competing, if they are forced to meet carbon-reduction standards that enterprises in other states do not face.
But internationally, California has become an ***accepted leader…
Kate Larsen, who helped write climate rules under the Obama administration and now tracks those policies at the Rhodium Group: “It gives China and others a chance to jump into that leadership role,” Larsen said…
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/california-other-states-step-climate-policy-void-n767301
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???
2 Jun: ABC: Offshore wind farm proposed for waters off Victoria’s Gippsland
By Stephanie Corsetti
Plans for an Australian-first offshore wind farm off Victoria’s south-east coast, which could provide almost a fifth of the state’s energy, have won cautious government support.
Offshore Energy has been working with the Federal Government on a feasibility study for the 250-turbine proposal, and will present details of the plan to a Victorian Government-led energy roundtable in Churchill today.
The wind farm — which would be built 10–25 kilometres offshore in waters near Port Albert — would spread over 570 square kilometres in Commonwealth waters, and could provide 18 per cent of the state’s energy.
Offshore Energy’s managing director Andy Evans said the $8 billion project could reduce carbon emissions by about 10.5 million tonnes per year…
He said the feasibility testing phase would take three years…
The company said it had not discussed federal funding options…
Hope for thousands of jobs…
Richard Elkington from Regional Development Victoria warned the feasibility study was expensive and could lead to disappointment.
“It’s a good idea for all sorts of reasons – it’s not coal,” he told ABC Gippsland…ETC
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-06-02/victoria-plans-to-build-australias-first-offshore-wind-farm/8582652
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Living proof the supply of “stupid” is bottomless…..
I suspect the rent seekers know their days are numbered and are going for it before the cash dries out…..
This is essential reading for everyone here – good overview of technocracy using the UN to deliver it like using a sledgehammer to drive a square peg into a painfully small round hole….
https://www.technocracy.news/index.php/2016/04/22/flashback-technocracy-smart-grid-green-economy/
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How many million tons of ‘carbon’ emissions would be needed to produce these turbines and how long before they deteriorate? How do they estimate the proportion of power production for Victoria….theoretical capacity or the actual likely amount? It is all very dismaying; when can we rid Victoria of Dopey Dan and his buddies?
I just recently saw again a ruined landscape in Cumbria and Scotland thanks to all those ludicrous bird mincers. The first thing I saw when the clouds parted on descent into GLA was a forest of the horrors nearly all static.
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Hey, wanna hear a good joke?
In an effort to probably cash in on the President’s momentous decision, good old Auntie has announced this momentous decision of its own, and how good is this.
Plans have been announced for Australia’s biggest (and first) offshore wind
farmplant, and how I just detest that they refer to it as a ….. farm. The article is at this link.They haven’t quoted the Nameplate, but hey, I can work that out, because in a (puff out the chest) statement from the proposers, they claim that it will generate 18% of Victoria’s energy, so that’s actual power in GWH delivered to the Victorian grid.
Really, 18%.
Oh frabjous day!
Say, didn’t dear old ancient clapped out shut down Hazelwood deliver 20% of Victoria’s power.
So, with Hazelwood’s similar power output, delivered from 1600MW Nameplate, and at 35% Capacity Factor. (why not, Tony, go with their best case scenario for offshore wind, eh!) that’s a Nameplate of 4500MW. There’s proposed to be 250 turbines, so each nacelle will hold a generator of 18MW. Yeah Right. That’s bogus right there
250 turbines with the biggies of offshore so far at 8MW, would see a Nameplate of 2000MW, and at 18% of Victoria’s energy requirement this means a revised Capacity Factor of around 75%, and that’s also bogus right there as well.
Hmm! Someone has high hopes indeed.
Note that the power output is approximately equal to Hazelwood’s, at around 20% of Victoria’s energy generation.
Seriously, you’d think at least someone at the ABC would at least try and fact check something like this.
And the cost. Wait for it.
Only $8 BILLION.
Man, that’s a snap.
Mark down this day where Tony said that this wind plant at its current proposal will NEVER be constructed.
Sometimes I just weep, and sometimes those tears are induced by so much laughter.
Tony.
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Tony
Why would they put a wind farm off shore for Australia when Australia has so much spare land ? Even if you accept that a wind farm “works” putting off shore with all the extra inherent risk is madness.
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very funny…
1 Jun: Phys.org: AP: Seth Borenstein: Science Says: Weather forecasts improve, under the radar
Make fun of the weatherman if you want but modern forecasts have quietly, by degrees, become much better.
Meteorologists are now as good with their five-day forecasts as they were with their three-day forecasts in 2005. Both government and private weather forecasting companies are approaching the point where they get tomorrow’s high temperature right nearly 80 percent of the time. It was 66 percent 11 years ago, according to ForecastWatch , a private firm that rates accuracy of weather forecasts…
Other improvements:
— Forecasters can predict winter storms 22 hours ahead of time, up from 17 hours in 2005…
When it comes to parsing where it’s going to snow instead of just rain or sleet, things get trickier…
But better forecasts, and ones that peer further into the future, generate another problem for meteorologists, and maybe a harder one: Explaining the risks and uncertainties of weather to people who want definitive answers.
“The guts and plumbing of the forecast process is terrific,” retired TV meteorologist Ryan said. “The big challenge is not in the skill of the forecast, but rather the lack of using all the skill we have in the forecast for communication.”
https://phys.org/news/2017-06-science-weather-radar.html
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1 Jun: Washington Times: Ben Wolfgang: Trump eviscerates Obama’s Paris legacy
(S.A. Miller and Stephen Dinan contributed to this report)
President Trump’s America-first mantra steamrolled over the objections of lawmakers, top CEOs, the Pentagon, the U.N. and even his own daughter, as he announced Thursday that he was withdrawing the U.S. from the landmark Paris climate accord to limit greenhouse gas emissions…
The move represents a fatal blow to Mr. Obama’s environmental legacy, which political analysts say is now “in tatters” following Mr. Trump’s decision.
He had negotiated the deal hoping to lock the country into a low-emissions future, and expecting a Democratic successor to see it through. Instead, Mr. Trump’s surprise victory upended his plans…
But for all the criticism, Mr. Trump brought data to the Rose Garden Thursday to back up his decision. Known for speaking off the cuff and often accused of being loose with facts, the president this time used raw numbers to justify the move.
“Compliance with the terms of the Paris accord and the onerous energy restrictions it has placed on the United States could cost America as much as 2.7 million lost jobs by 2025,” Mr. Trump said, citing numbers from a recent National Economic Research Associates study. “The cost to the economy at this time would be close to $3 trillion in lost GDP and 6.5 million industrial jobs, while households would have $7,000 less income, and, in many cases, much worse than that.”…
***Mr. Trump was joined at the White House by EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt, top adviser Stephen K. Bannon and other administration officials who had publicly favored pulling out of Paris…
While the issue has divided Republicans both in the White House and on Capitol Hill, GOP leadership praised the move as proof that this administration is intent on putting U.S. interests first.
“It would have driven up the cost of energy, hitting middle-class and low-income Americans the hardest … I commend President Trump for fulfilling his commitment to the American people and withdrawing from this bad deal,” House Speaker Paul D. Ryan said in a statement…
Mr. Obama’s swift, harsh response seems to be proof that he recognizes the consequences of Mr. Trump’s decision. Analysts say that with many of his environmental regulations already on the scrap heap, Mr. Obama has little left to cling to.
“President Obama’s environmental record is in tatters, in effect,” said Brandon Rottinghaus, a political science professor at the University of Houston who specializes in presidential leadership. “Obama gets credit for making a stand on environmental issues, but the practical effect is that the legacy is a paper one at this point as the Trump administration whittles away at the policies.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/1/donald-trump-withdraws-us-from-paris-climate-accor/
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WOOHOO!!
Trump pulls US out of Paris climate agreement
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Video Trump announcing withr=drawing from Paris Deal
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Sorry, accidental press ‘enter.’
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Nail /hammer at time spots 16 and 17.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/06/01/watch_live_president_trump_will_announce_decision_on_paris_climate_treaty_at_wh.html
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Next stop for Trump and America, one that Trump has already given a tick to is for that foot dragging Europe, a Europe that has always been parasitical on America yet always ready to denigrate America and Americans, to finally begin to cough up their part of the money and men and organisation to police and control their part of the chaotic and ever warring world that sits right in their back yard such in the the Balkans and the Middle East.
For the life of me over many years I could never figure out just why it was always the Americans, who far from home, were expected and even demanded by the Europeans to provide the wealth, the weapons and manpower and soldiers to do the dirty work of fighting in the European’s backyard to maintain some semblance of order and peace in those countries and regions that are right at the backdoor of a European and EU’s nations and a European continent that actually has more inhabitants and just as much wealth and technology as does the USA.
The only reason for the Americans to be doing the European’s dirty work in Europe’s back yard was to ensure access to oil, something the Americans with their fast growing frakking industry are now not likely to be short of for at least another couple of generations.
And THAT changes and eliminates a very large number of the previous reasons for the Americans to be so tied up with European problems.
The British are about the only European nation that has supported and backed the Americans as they have tried on numerous occasions to sort out the various warring mobs in Europe’s back yard over the last three or more decades whilst the rest of the Europeans just basically looked on and were more than ready to criticise the Americans for everything they tried to do to prevent further conflict.
Of course when the Americans tried to sort out a few of their neighbours in their own back yard, not very successfully, it was very noticeable that the Europeans were just plain missing and in fact did nothing at all except heap loads of invective onto everything the Americans did in their own back yard.
And just to exacerbate the stupidity of the Europeans or a good part of them, the Brits being somewhat more sensible, the Europeans , Merkel in particular has allowed a million or more of so called refugees of which most of them are not true refugees but rather economic opportunists and free loaders on the European social support systems and who are all in their entirety from cultures and ideologies that are radically different and even very hostile to European culture , to flood into Europe in their hundreds of thousands.
Something that the Europeans are very likely pay a high price for in blood, lives and wealth and living standards over the next couple of generations.
Within the decade I would not be at all surprised to see a significant number of Europeans heading towards Australia to permanently settle here similar to what quite a lot of South Africans did when South Africa began to go the way of other non white ruled African nations.
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ROM said
I think you’ll find it’s already started. I’ve noticed an increment in numbers over here above what has been usual for many years.
Have a good look around.
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Final Version: EU/China Leaders Joint Statement on Climate Change, Uploaded by Karl Mathiesen, ClimateChangeNews:
EU-CHINA LEADERS’JOINT STATEMENT ON CLIMATE CHANGE AND CLEAN ENERGY Brussels, 2 June 2017
10. The EU fully stands behind the collective mobilization goal of developed countries to jointly provide USD 100 billion annually by 2020, and urges other developed country Parties to stand behind this collective goal. The EU and China recall that on climate finance, developed countries shall provide financial resources to assist developing countries with respect to both mitigation and adaptation in continuation of their existing obligations under the Convention. Other countries are encouraged to provide or continue to provide such support voluntarily.
Prior to 2025 the Conference of the Parties serving as the meeting of the Parties to the Paris Agreement shall set a new collective quantified goal from a floor of USD 100 billion per year, taking into account the needs and priorities of developing countries…
https://www.scribd.com/document/350072665/Final-Version-EU-China-Leaders-Joint-Statement-on-Climate-Change#from_embed
1 Jun: ClimateChangeNews: Karl Mathiesen: UN climate conference (COP24) 2018 heads to heartland of Polish coal
Katowice, home to the largest coal company in the EU, will host the pivotal 2018 climate talks
The pivotal 2018 UN climate conference will be held in the heart of Poland’s coal mining industry, in a move that has angered some campaigners but offered others hope that it ***symbolises transition away from fossil fuels…
The choice of town was announced by the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) on the day US president Donald Trump was expected to leave the Paris climate agreement…
Poland has long been a reluctant participant in the UN process, dragged into an ambitious EU negotiating bloc but influenced by the powerful domestic coal industry…
http://www.climatechangenews.com/2017/06/01/un-climate-conference-2018-heads-heartland-polish-coal/
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Say what?
Just noticed this: (my bolding here)
What’s the use of the d@mned thing anyway.
Tony.
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It’s an ‘aspirational document’.
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“What’s the use of the d@mned thing anyway?”
Tony,
The only use\function\purpose of this is an attempt to enslave all that are not clever! Easy to enslave\domesticate; rabbits\cattle. Not so much for Fox\Raccoon!
What of Humans\Earthlings? They seem to be limited by same thermodynamics!
Stupidity like Entropy always increases,locally! Entropy can always be spontaneously dispatched via EMR in any direction of lower radiance (temperature)! Can Human (earthling) stupidity be dispatched in a direction of lower stupidity? Must human stupidity always increase to the level of spontaneous destruction of human? Am I a Science denier?
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Only the finger pointers will ‘point’ at you if you don’t comply ! (and no invites on the ABC)
Exactly who is that would ‘force’ the US of A to comply ,anyway ?
The Donald , should evict the U.N. as a supplement to bye bye Paris’s CAGW Hajj !
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***you can just tell Jake’s heart isn’t in this story, but at least he is reporting the news.
mind you, it’s not easy finding it. I had to wade through 12 pages of google results as old as 24hrs, before finding this one posted 3hrs ago:
1 Jun: CharlestonGazetteMail: Jake Zuckerman: (West Virginia’s) leaders praise withdrawal from climate deal
***Despite scientific evidence of climate change and risk of future damage to the planet, all five members of West Virginia’s congressional delegation issued supporting statements through their media teams within an hour of the news.
Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, R-W.Va., said “onerous” environmental regulations have harmed the state’s labor force, and the withdrawal will help with a potential rebound.
“President Trump’s decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris Climate Agreement is the right decision for the American economy and workers in West Virginia and across the country,” she said. “West Virginians have suffered tremendous economic calamity as a result of the Obama administration’s anti-coal agenda, and President Obama should not have unilaterally committed the United States to an international climate agreement without consent of the Senate.” …
In similar fashion to Capito, Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., praised Trump’s decision, breaking ranks with his party.
“While I believe that the United States and the world should continue to pursue a cleaner energy future, I do not believe that the Paris agreement ensures a balance between our environment and our economy,” he said. “To find that balance, we should seek agreements that prioritize the protection of the American consumer, as well as energy-producing states like West Virginia, while also incentivizing the development of advanced fossil energy technologies.”
All three of West Virginia’s House representatives applauded the move, as well.
In the 1st District, Rep. David McKinley, R-W.Va., sided with the president.“The Paris Climate Agreement is a flawed deal that puts America’s energy needs and economic growth on the back burner, while transferring money and power to unelected international bureaucrats,” he said. “I urge President Trump to seize this opportunity and champion technology to provide affordable, efficient and reliable energy.”
In the 2nd District, Rep. Alex Mooney, R-W.Va., who attended the White House announcement Thursday, criticized the agreement, echoing Capito in attacking the Obama administration and seeming to argue that the move will help the state’s coal industry.
In the 3rd District, Rep. Evan Jenkins, R-W.Va., shared similar thoughts.
“The Paris accord puts the United States on an uneven playing field, forcing us to make costly reductions, all while countries like China and India make their own rules,” he said before adding to the criticism of the Obama administration…
http://www.wvgazettemail.com/news-politics/20170601/wv-leaders-praise-withdrawal-from-climate-deal
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buried deep in google’s AlGoreIthms:
1 Jun: FinancialPostCanada: Lawrence Solomon: Canadians should be grateful to Trump for killing the Paris climate deal
The repercussions of President Trump’s decision to withdraw from the Paris climate agreement will be profound and positive — for the global environment, for the global economy, and especially for Canada, which stands to be one of the biggest winners of all.
The Paris accord always was a sham. Its targets were voluntary, allowing Germany, Japan, China, India and other signatories to continue their massive coal developments, and others, such as the U.K., to embark on aggressive programs to develop shale gas. But though it was a sham to which most leaders paid lip service, Paris did gull a large segment of the public into thinking the countries of the world had made some grand bargain to which they must adhere, giving politicians new justifications for taxing the public through carbon policies. Canada’s left-leaning politicians, led by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, have especially leapt at this opportunity…
For Canadians, there is now hope for an end to the ruinous policies, such as those that led to unaffordable power prices, that have led our manufacturing industries to move to America’s low-cost regions — Procter and Gamble is the latest company to leave, fleeing coal-free Ontario for the low-cost coal country of West Virginia. Trudeau will soon be feeling the heat from the Conservatives’ new leader, Andrew Scheer, who promises to abolish Trudeau’s “cash grab” carbon tax, saying it “raises the cost of everything and puts jobs at risk while doing little for the environment.”…
European leaders who tout climate policies will also feel the heat — many have in any case been curbing their promotion of renewable energy to minimize damage to their economies, which like Canada’s has seen manufacturing industries flee to the United States. Thanks to fracking, the U.S. is no longer the world’s number one importer of oil and gas; instead it’s the world’s number one producer…
But economies and energy consumers won’t be the only beneficiaries of abandoning Paris and boosting fossil fuels. Contrary to the bad press that carbon dioxide receives, this colourless, odourless and tasteless gas is no pollutant. Carbon dioxide, nature’s fertilizer, is instead an environmental boon, responsible for greening the planet…
Over the last decade, the evidence has been streaming in, and as biologists expected, it shows that the rising levels of carbon dioxide have corresponded to rising levels of greenery. As confirmed in the most recent study, described last week in Science magazine, Canada’s boreal forests have been especial winners over the last 20 years: “much of the increase in greening is due to an increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide.”…
Ironically, an effect of carbon dioxide has been to cool the planet since the extra greenery acts to absorb sunlight, rather than allowing it to be reflected back to space. “In mapping the entire planet, the group found that for approximately 60 percent of all plant areas, an increase in greening has mitigated global warming by approximately 14 percent,” Science added…
In contrast to these undeniable, quantifiable, verifiable and seeable environmental benefits, confirmed and reconfirmed in study after study, none of the piles of studies showing harm from carbon dioxide have offered anything but unverifiable theories based on countless models that have invariably flopped. Likewise, the harm to economies from pursuing climate change policies is self evident in abandoned manufacturing plants and rising levels of fuel poverty, while the claimed benefits are based on dodgy theoretical models of what might come to pass a century or two from now.
http://business.financialpost.com/fp-comment/lawrence-solomon-canadians-should-be-grateful-to-trump-for-killing-the-paris-climate-deal
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posted 4hrs ago – buried by google on page 14 of their results.
sets off some warning bells!
1 Jun: Financial Times: Laura Noonan: Deals designed to keep the lights on in emerging markets
Lawyers are structuring complex energy initiatives with transformative effects
Demand for power in the emerging markets of the Asia-Pacific region is rising so fast that authorities often struggle to secure the private international finance needed to keep pace with rising energy needs…
In Indonesia, Shearman & Sterling used a new kind of guarantee concept for the $4.3bn financing of a new coal-fired power station in Central Java. The plant was critical to the long-term supply of energy to the Java-Bali region and new technology means the plant will have less environmental impact than traditional coal…
In West Papua, Indonesia, Latham & Watkins navigated World Bank rules that ban lenders from seizing a project’s assets and revenues if a loan defaults and local regulations that require export payments to be made onshore. The result was that international banks were willing to pump $8bn into a natural gas project…
The scale of investors’ appetite for development finance is clear from the $27bn raised last year for a tricky Franco-Chinese-Russian liquid national gas project. Linklaters managed to navigate complex US and EU sanctions affecting Russia’s participation, reassure investors on logistical issues and prevailing low oil prices, and do it all under the added scrutiny reserved for a key project in China’s One Belt One Road strategy to build hundreds of billions of dollars of Asian infrastructure.
https://www.ft.com/content/395e5866-397d-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec
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Don’t Buckle Over Climate
2:23PMROSIE LEWIS, JOE KELLY
Bill Shorten has called on Malcolm Turnbull to stare down Coalition MPs who want to follow the US President out of Paris deal.
The Australian
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Trump is relying on an “America First” approach. Fair enough. Hopefully it is time for the real scientists to discover the real drivers of harmful climate change. For example the Australians, Dr John Nicol who has shown that CO2 cannot do the things IPCC accuses it of and Dr David Evans who has demonstrated severe shortcomings in the modelling that IPCC and most politicians rely upon. Thusfar we have been lead down a path that is emotion based rather than fact based. Unfortunately our decision makers are generally scientifically illiterate and our business leaders just focus on the next profit opportunity …we are the victims of green propaganda and corporate greed.
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The hypocracy of those committed to Paris
As one reads the commentary on the President’s decision, it is apparent that many World leaders are hypocrites.
The many quotes referring to India and China remaining committed to the Paris agreement often fail to mention that for the next 15 years these two countries will not reduce their CO2 emissions and for them there are no real emissions restrictions of any kind.
The Chinese statements concerning their continued commitment to the Paris agreement are profoundly dishonest.
As for the French President Macron it would be better for him to focus on his country’s economy which has been in intensive care for nearly a decade.
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That Banker’s Punk Macron is a EU appeaser! The French have voted in a Socialist. What is wrong with those people over there ?
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Tucker with Coulter sum up recent Trump Bash and the Paris propagandist’s hypocrisies…..must watch !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEntgsOia0M
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Great call Mr.Trump . The planets “fever” will just have to solve itself when the cash dries up .
Isn’t it refreshing to see some leadership instead of the quiver bowl of politically correct jello
we have been getting for far to long .
Obama knew there was zero chance of the goofy Paris Pledge getting passed by the voters representatives so
the whole thing including a $Billion dollar payment is fraudulent .
Get the money back or sue them for it . Tax payers are sick of being robbed .
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